REVIEW - VRS Direct Force Pro Sim Racing Wheel

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[@danut05]

Overpriced is an understatement

[@kevinstevens3429]

I totally agree, they swung at the pitch and missed IMO. Flex, plastic ,creaking and less functional don’t belong at that price point. There are wheels out there built with better materials and more functionality for less money.

[@brulaapgaapmeester8052]

Maybe quality switches (those small click things on the PCB) are more expensive than you think, otherwise I don't get these prices either.

[@anjo2]

@@brulaapgaapmeester8052 They aren't very good, i think the electronics are: Alps buttons (1.50€/each) = ~21€ Alps funky switches (8€/each) = ~16€ Grayhill switches (15€/each) = 30€ Bournes encoders (2.50€/each) = ~8€ They didn't even went with black pc, it's hard to justify the price

[@Paulo-py4mm]

@anjo2 Yeah with the tear down, there is NOTHING to justify this frankly ludicrous...

[@limpetarch98k]

The quick release is absolutely good and I dont mind the minimalist look. I mean, PSE totally gets away with charging 2600 CAD for a wheel with no dual clutches, no LCD and no RPM strips, so I dont get why VRS would be any different if " yeah but the higher quality control " isnt an excuse. But yeah those handles’ creaking needs to be fixed.

[@axzhor]

This wheel has strong $550 vibes, nothing more than that.

[@psyskip6709]

How this wheel fits into the VRS lineup is as important as the wheel specific competition. I and many others go for the VRS stuff because it's quality at a reasonable price with small concesions in functionality/aesthetics (wheelbase is an undressed MIG motor). People were waiting for a wheel to make the VRS a complete, competitive package, which it isn't. I think they lost sight of the market and got a bit carried away.

[@BasementRacer805]

It's a bare bones design that fits with the M.O. of VRS but watching this review just affirms my initial thought of this wheel being way overpriced. I feel like they could get away with $500 maybe $600 for what they're offering and that's mainly due to the higher build/design quality.

[@lukebraddford3287]

I own the pedals and absolutely love them, but I couldn’t spend that money on this wheel. Great breakdown!

[@alex.germany]

Good review. But the wheel is an absolute no-go. Too less functionality and features for the price. No thumb rotaries (they are for most essential), no illumination (is nice to have) etc. If you compare to other wheels it should not cost more than 300 to 400 €/$. And this is already the upper end...

[@kurok1tenshi]

Amen, MOZA wheels are killing all these overpriced wheels. 900+ is crazy...

[@michaelpickford7298]

Here in Australia the value doesn't stack up against The new Moza wheel with the usb hub or even the Simagic GT4 usb version which is under $500 of the cost of the VRS.

[@derekkosnoski7052]

On a Krontec QR you do not need to pull the collar back to attach the wheel, this QR should be the same as I can see the beveled leading edge on the base side. Can you confirm?? Excellent review as always!!

[@keepcalm1182]

"Hey Guys, Wheel Here" ;)

[@adarne64]

I got the wheelbase and pedals mainly due to your 2nd look. Ive been running a converted fanatec mclaren gt wheel. Now the all the funcionality works with the srm conversion i dont think ill be changing

[@JDRacing-j2v]

ive thought about doing the same thing with my McLaren GT wheel if i got a VRS WB

[@adarne64]

@JDempsterRacing is definitely worth it. Previously, systems like the dual clutch didn't work, but now they do 👍

[@JDRacing-j2v]

@@adarne64 who did you use for the conversion?

[@adarne64]

@@JDRacing-j2v sim racing machines

[@taylorwilliamm]

​@@adarne64Woah, how did you get dual clutch to work? Was there a firmware update?

[@johnathanmoyer2375]

The VRS wheel might have been a good price 4 years ago when it's closest competition would have been the F64 from Ascher, but the market has been completely upended to the point where even wheels with 7+ encoders AND a screen are a touch sell for a grand.

[@ChrisPBacon9]

Yep. They can tout higher build quality all they want but if a competitor's wheel has more functionality, is sturdy enough, feels good in the hands, and is made of high quality materials, then is the "higher" build quality actually worth it? Wouldnt be to me

[@TimAyro]

VRS shot their brand in the foot.

[@SingleRacerSVR]

Not having a go at you AT ALL, Will. In fact you do some of the best Sim-Racing Hardware-Reviews on KZbin...... But man, what is with all the F1 style wheels. Street Car & Drifter Sim Racers are really being left out of all these new modern wheels lately?

[@Frank_Steven_Groen]

Thanks for the review Will! I'm only driving in VR so would like to know which of all these wheels are good to use in VR, can the buttons easily be found if you can't see them, enough functionality available on the wheel for VR because you can't use a button box with loads of buttons, or maybe a wheel with less buttons is better if you have a small stream deck or button box on the left and/ or right side of your wheel attached to the rig, et cetera. Looking forward to the GRID steering wheel review!

[@jeffrdrama7984]

There seems to be nothing between the "entry level" fanatec direct drive stuff (like that R2R bundle) and this type of really expensive stuff. It's frustrating as someone who'd like to get back into SIM racing but ideally not have to spend £4k to get a good setup.

[@boostedmedia]

The stuff on this price level is much higher quality than Fanatec’s stuff (other than the M4 wheel) in terms of the materials used, etc. whether you need that quality or not is entirely subjective.

[@kel-2399]

I think that's where asetek is trying to get in - it's a bit more than the fanatec, but is a decent step up. Then you can upgrade everything as needed. Their la prima bundle starts at €1134 with pedals or €882 without them. Moza have some options in that 4-800 price range aswell, as do fanatec, but you can't upgrade them (fanatec you can go from 5-8nm), you'll have to buy a whole new base/pedals if you want to upgrade. It is worth noting with asetek, they have said they will provide an upgrade path in the future, but as yet they haven't shown anything off, so no one knows hot expensive or how easy it will be, or when it will be available and if so how long they will support that upgrade path for

[@CertifiedSlamboy]

@@boostedmedia I think he literally means there's nothing in between the 2. It's cheap or expensive. Not that there's no difference.

[@jeffrdrama7984]

Yep that's what I meant. I understand why some products are more expensive - better quality etc, but there is no actual "mid range". You either go cheaper and end up with a Fanatec bundle or have to go all in. The higher end wheelbases alone can cost more than some of the lower end wheels+base+pedal setups. It's hard to justify right now as I'm not sure I'll be able to find time to SIM race, but annoying as I know one day I'll be wanting to upgrade.

[@dbzcollector9963]

@@jeffrdrama7984your kinda just contradicting yourself there bud… you say you won’t even be able to find the time to play but you’ll wanna upgrade one day? That seems like a huge waist if you don’t have the time. It’s not like a super expensive setup is gonna make you any better or faster, and it definitely won’t help you find time to play lol. For your use case fanatec would be more than enough for the casual sim racer, Moza offers some decent low,mid, and high range setups but the problem is it’s pc only. If your on console tho your most likely playing GT7 or some forza game in which case fanatec is more than enough for those arcade racers. It’s only when you start getting into competitive stuff like iracing and ACC leagues that a more expensive setup would make more sense.

[@FrijoleBlanco]

Pineapplegrips shoutout ❤ Absolutely love their products!

[@wwjnz9263]

The price is a non-starter. I wanted to click on a different video when the price came up. Interested in the quick releases though. The internals are well thought out too.

[@boostedmedia]

QR is also covered in this video ;)

[@redeyebanditandtherckid8807]

I’m stuck at work so I couldn’t watch whole vid yet so excuse me if I missed it but can this be adapted to fit moza wheel bases

[@boostedmedia]

It’ll fit anything that has a 70mm bolt pattern so yes with a Moza hub adaptor.

[@redeyebanditandtherckid8807]

@@boostedmedia thanks!

[@wwjnz9263]

Not saying/or reading too much into this but... At 32:37, Will begins talking about the Krontec styled QR. He goes on to say it's similar to leaked photos of the Fanatec QR2 that he's seen years ago. He then says "We'll be recieving one of those soon". Did that just slip, or is Will simply wishfully thinking Fanatec will release it sometime this year? Hopefully it's the soon as in, sometime this week... Any who... That is enough conspiracy for this video. 😅

[@notsmith6158]

This is the year! ...probably not. Crazy to think I've replaced everything I used to have with other brands since being all in on Fanatec and waiting for this thing.

[@ondrejthoman]

Hey, great review as always. I've been wanting to buy the vrs wheelbase to upgrade from my csl dd. Now, i have a cube f-pro and a grid ddu5 dash, which i would like to use with it. My question is, do you have any measurement of the length of the whole VRS qr, from the front face of the wheelbase, back to the point where the qr mounts to the wheel (while attached)? From my rough estimation, the shaft is 80mm and the qr is 40mm, so does that mean that the whole assembly is 120mm? Also, does the vrs qr have more play than the xero play?

[@boosivemotorsportofficial]

When you mentioned the similarities between it and ascher. When I initially saw the teaser images of the VRS wheel. I thought it looked like it was designed/made by ascher.

[@sirka6233]

Great review, thanks! Do you already have any thoughts on the upcoming GSI X29 as competition? To me it looks a lot like the X29 will be what the VRS wheel should have been (mostly pricing by maybe even quality)

[@philippegohier6992]

i ask moza on their r12 promotional vid if they gonna redo the r16 and r23 with their new design. like the r12 r9 r5. they answered yesterday that they gonna announced new products soon... you got some info ?

[@danielcataldi1630]

Is theQR currently available? I can’t find it anywhere.

[@chrisracing81]

Overpriced and doesn’t fit in the great price range of Base and Pedals. Also it doesn’t look nice at all - very disappointed! But great to have better options these days 👍 Still in love with my VRS Base 💪

[@_B_RIDE]

Can you use other wheels on the VRS wheel base ?

[@paulmaher1705]

Formula wheels should have rev lights on !!

[@dbzcollector9963]

Not the best time to release something so simple looking and overpriced when Moza just released a killer wheel for almost a quarter of the price. My main issue with something being this expensive is it doesn’t come with a QR, that’s an extra 100$ lol and the fact that it has no rpm lights or back lit buttons is a huge let down.

[@lilpup316]

Watched this whole review.... struggling to find value for this price point. Compare this to moza wheels....seems like a fail imo!!

[@jet_mouse9507]

I just realized, instead of measuring the weight of the wheels, maybe you should be measuring the moment of inertia of them! If you can find a way to measure that. Then, you could match that with the torque of the wheelbase to find the rotational acceleration of the whole setup. I don't know how you would measure the moment of inertia though.

[@Tigerratcat]

I wish VRS made a formula wheel with the shifting leds, led button lights and screen

[@dipe999]

Any idea when the pedals will be back in stock? AU

[@busby10]

Is the new "revised design" hub (not the QR) keyed now? or does it still just get held on around the outside.

[@boostedmedia]

No there’s an insert included that goes in the keyway on the shaft of the motor to lock it from rotating.

[@busby10]

@@boostedmedia Ah cool so it works the same as you showed on the QR? Thats great news

[@EdelOss1]

in germany we got a quote for that price: der preis ist jenseits von gut und böse, the price is beyond good and evil...

[@platano4924]

This is what I have in mind so far but would like opinions. VRS pedals regardless of the wheel base... VRS base or SIMAGIC MINI so this is my first option... Second option, asetek la prima (or save one more month and buy asetek forte) and have the whole system from the same brand Thanks Note, all I have ever tried is g25 and 27... I'm totally rookie here, but when I start reading system of 5nm and getting more knowledge I end up looking at 2000 USD systems😅... The rabbit hole is dangerous

[@willsutton54]

over A$1000 customs will hit you with a "handling" fee ...on my HE pedals came to around $90 plus had to pay another 10% GST, as for buttons from Fanny to Cube controls I have not noticed buttons and they would be at the bottom of my list

[@KcazP1]

When I heard the price I had to double check to make sure this wasn't a wheel+ base review😂

[@KuSQ3N]

Vrs have never made a "good looking" product and its the same with this wheel :/ I dont say simracing is for the looks. But if you spend 2k+ looks helps a little bit when you are spending that much😅

[@danielmalka8884]

I would buy it if it was around 600. In my opinion it is one of the best looking wheel. Another problem for me is that I live in Israel so everything is x1.5 the price of the wheel. Just bought moza r9 base only for 600 dollars

[@glitchinthematrix9306]

You live on stolen land. Don't complain.

[@Pfacey]

People in the UK should avoid the QR for a while. I have had to return mine due to the metal bars releasing during use and making a rattle sound. I was told "VRS have determined that all the UK "Base Side" QR's have been machined fractionally too small causing this play in the system".

[@JimboJet737]

You don’t necessarily need to get a QR if you only use one wheel so you can get the fixed adaptor which I don’t think will have this issue.

[@Pfacey]

@@JimboJet737 That's right. I only got the QR as I was changing from a SRM converted Mclaren wheel. I'm using a SRC QR now and it works great.

[@SegginsProductions]

@@Pfaceylove the src qr, they’re the best bang for buck solution out there!

[@premucuescos375]

nice, thanks!

[@sheep7255]

We really need someone to make a high quality QR that allows for full data and power transmission, and if it's wireless, make a standardized bluetooth protocol. This is the biggest problem I see with a lot of simracing gear, everything is either wired or only for a specific wheelbase. And not to forget, an open software system. So no Moza PitHouse for your base, VRS Software for the pedals, Fanatec software for the H shifter, and etc etc. Just annoying stuff that can be fixed if everyone liked each other a bit

[@quinnseitz1377]

As far as I can tell, the Asetek Simsports QR is designed to be compatible with any USB wheel, idk about Bluetooth. They also have support for most 3rd party wheel manufacturers. They just went into full production for it, so it should be available soon. I'm waiting on that before I make the jump the DD.

[@sheep7255]

@@quinnseitz1377 Most ecosystems are closed if you don't want to use wired. That's what the comment is about, being able to use any wheel with any wheelbase, and not having to worry about a cable. All wheelbases are compatible with usb wheels as long as you have a way to attach it to the wheelbase. My problem is that it's always a different QR, that can't provide power and transfer data wirelessly or not when going from a wheel from another manufacturer, to the one made by the same manufacturer's wheelbase. Take Asetek, they make probably the best wheelbase, and they make wheels, but you can't easily transition into another wheel from say moza. If you wanna use your moza wheel, you first gotta get the Asetek QR, and then you need to connect the wheel by USB, and only the butterfly style wheels have that.

[@AedynWolf]

Nothing about this wheel says it should cost what they're asking lol Wouldn't be surprised to see them put it on "sale" here shortly because they overestimated the market. If they give the excuse it's because they put a custom shaped pcb in the wheel (which is the only excuse/justification I can think of for them, weak as it is) then ditch it and use wiring. Not worth it

[@matta2738]

First. Not even Max can beat me

[@kcs4212]

Last, i am doing a checo. Congrats on your win

[@danielmalka8884]

I’m hamilton and you are out of track limits

[@boostedmedia]

Best fans

[@CertifiedSlamboy]

@@danielmalka8884 Thanks for commenting for all the boys and girls out there that think they can't achieve their dreams

[@eXarace]

Boost.... the mclaren fanatec.... all plastic, same vibration... 200€, and now... raise hell 😈😅

[@whiteandnerdytuba]

Using gloves is not a price point consideration. I’d like a formula wheel with soft thick leather, I don’t even use socks. Underwear if you’re lucky

[@Paulo-py4mm]

This is insanity. How can VRS justify charging $1349 for this (and that is on bloody sale its normally $1557)?!?! Their 20nm wheelbase is the same price as this wheel when the wheel is on sale. This wheel: 1. Looks terrible (subjective of course) 2. Lacks the most import functional element of a formula style wheel (thumb encoders) 3. Lacks any screen/dash equivalent 4. Made of LESS premium materials than much cheaper wheels There are more elements, but In my mind, this fits in the same price bracket as the Fanatec Formula V2.5. Pretty much nothing above $600 aud The price here is almost hilariously bad. From a company that held the price to performance crown for pedals and DD wheelbase, it's a crying shame.

[@grayzedynamics]

Definitely overpriced. But I think I prefer the grips more myself. Had the F-Pro and without gloves it’s a nightmare. Hard and slippery.

[@kev.kaviation1751]

YES, overpriced! Competition does it with way more features at same or better quality for the same price (Look at the upcoming GSI X-29). This should be 300-400 bucks cheaper. Looks are personal ofc, but this looks cheap to me, especially the buttons

[@Sean-ps3ec]

Absolutely NOT worth the money asked for it! There are MUCH better and MUCH cheaper wheels that will do

[@KurthardtJr]

I feel like you have to be a fanboy to buy this

[@alfaracer9876]

With the lack of functionality it would have to be 100% perfect to even begin to justify the price. It seems like this wheel isn't perfect.

[@Lamos01]

For this price no thumb endoders... thats a DQ from me!

[@kesh_r]

As an owner of the VRS DFP wheel base and pedals, this wheel is absurdly over priced. I don’t expect them to see many whatsoever.

[@SerialDriver]

I normally like long video reviews... but almost one hour for a wheel might be too much this time

[@acemczero88]

Look, I love my DFP wheel base, but VRS really showed their arrogance with this wheel. A Polsimer has equal functionality and aesthetics for half the price. I bought the Grid MPX on pre-order for the same price. This wheel is an insult to the sim racing community and only a complete schlub would buy one given what else is available at and below this price point.

[@RTBHvideo]

$1000?! 🤣

[@SegginsProductions]

I’ve built 2 (well technically 3) diy wheels that have more functionality, look better and cost less than the vrs wheel and that’s for the both of them. Very underwhelming.

[@RacingWithChuck27]

A lum a num for the non queen English language pronunciation j/k 😊

[@fedebe8977]

It's a great product at the right price!

[@carsstuff9914]

They drop the price to $798😂

[@mementomori4972]

It's around $870 now.

[@RoLexX57]

Absolutly overpriced no doubt

[@Justdigit2]

The price is amazing!!! For that little you get....🤣

[@iRacerJared]

Just get the Turn standard wheel and call it a day