Reviewing Allie Beth Stuckey on the Reformation

[@kzbaby2002]

What annoys me with most Protestants is that they will say "this is what Catholics believe" and when we explain otherwise they don't accept it. For example, the classic, "you worship Mary." No matter how many times we explain that we don't worship Mary, but honor her, they continue to say it. If I had a misunderstanding with a Protestant friend's belief and she said, "no that's not true, this is what we think...", I would believe her or at least believe she is is being genuine about her beliefs. I wouldn't argue with her about it or act like she's a liar. But Protestants seem to have these blinders on where they just won't accept they may be incorrect about Catholicism.

[@TheBlinkyImp]

Many Catholics do worship Mary, but it's not what the church teaches. It's a problem of looking at bad representatives. However this is exactly what many Catholic criticisms of Protestants look like. Try to keep this in mind, you should judge a church based on it's official teachings, not its fallible members.

[@Cklert]

Rather than trying to argue against it, I just lean into the strawman to show off how incredibly conceited it comes off as. "Oh, I am supposed to worship Mary? Somebody better contact my Bishop and get me excommunicated then. Apparently, I am not a Catholic according to you."

[@BrianGondo]

@@TheBlinkyImp Do those Catholics say they worship Mary or it's your opinion that they worship Mary?

[@kyrptonite1825]

@@TheBlinkyImp I’ve never seen a Catholic which worships Mary.

[@annb9029]

Most mainline Protestant are ok with Catholics like Lutherans or Episcopal conservative and liberal branches alike , it’s the fundamentalist born again people who can’t have a conversation.

[@MathAdam]

It's so nice to see Laura Horn's husband having a go at KZbin.

[@kragar4]

😂😅

[@johnobeid67]

@MathAdam 😂. Funniest comment!

[@eugeblacks]

😂lol

[@loulasher]

I'm hopefully looking forward to her take on ABS, done in a friendly way.

[@PeteV80]

Lmao

[@ghostapostle7225]

The fact she thinks "differences about baptism" is a minor issue amazes me. lol

[@bandie9101]

c'mon. Prots are very much united: united in the spirit of avoiding Catholicism :D

[@brianfarley926]

Yah no kidding. Shows how weak her theology is

[@chicken-911]

Yeah, like, the question of Baptism is practically a question of Salvation. But to give her the benefit of the doubt, maybe she was talking about disagreements on the age requirement on baptism assuming that both parties agree that it does not save?

[@brianfarley926]

@@chicken-911 considering there isn’t an age requirement it’s like the blind leading the blind with that conversation

[@ghostapostle7225]

@YAJUN YUAN We don't, we just follow apostolic tradition concerning how it should be done(wich is something you clearly has no knowledge about based on other comments in this channel).

[@Mari_Oh]

"These Catholic leaders would take the money and lead lavish lifestyles." Gosh, it's a good thing no Protestant pastor ever took people's money and lived a lavish lifestyle, or she'd look awfully hypocritical.

[@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc]

If Pope Leo X was like an Apostle instead of an hedonistic Emperor, then there would not have been any reason for anyone to protest anything. HYPOCRISY ?! Leo caused Bankruptcy, so he sent many men out to $ell as many indulgences as possible. To be accurate and fair, every time Luther is scrutinized & condemned Leo must be examined likewise.

[@bekfastdude8022]

goodness indeed

[@JH-qi9pz]

It never happened no mass suicide/murder in French guienna either, and you would never ever find a protestant group that would believe polygamy is a grace bestowed by Christ.

[@timharris2291]

1. The difference though is that I am under no obligation to recognize those mushroom McChurches as "Protestant," but you can't get away from claiming the Renaissance popes. A common mistake is to think that "any Christian assembly that is not RC or EO is eo ipso Protestant." But this we deny. 2. It still goes to the point about indulgences. Even the McChurches usually don't have this level of chutzpah.

[@MythwrightWorkshop]

I'm also glad that no protestant (like Stuckey for instance) ever attacked a "straw man" view of the Catholic Church!

[@Catholicsquirrel]

It's also worth noting that "The Church" didn't sell indulgences. *Some* Priests sold indulgences. It has *always, always, always* been a sin in the Catholic Church to sell any holy object. This is why you can't buy something that has been blessed, but have to get it blessed afterwards.

[@kiryu-chan577]

Indulgence can be given for attending a particular mass too.

[@Catholicsquirrel]

@@kiryu-chan577 You can certainly *earn* indulgences for many things! They just can't be bought or sold.

[@Xymage]

​@@kiryu-chan577there are many ways to earn indulgences. One of my favorites is praying at a graveyard on all hallows eve (halloween)

[@donhaddix3770]

indulgences.are not biblical

[@Catholicsquirrel]

@@donhaddix3770indulgences actually *are* biblical, as Christ gives Peter the ability to bind and loose in heaven and on earth

[@brians7100]

“We don’t take away from the Bible” Luther: removes books from the Bible

[@mitromney]

oh no! The poor book of... "Judith?" about a lady taking part in a battle we can historically prove never happened, by killing a general of a king we can historically prove never existed, by the holy, godly ways of... lying to him in the face and chopping his head of when he wasn't looking...? (also prays to God to bless her lies and deception... just wow) ...for the glory of God I suppose...? Or maybe you meant Tobit? About an angel who lies (that's totally plausible) to a guy saying he is his human cousin, then travels with him to ship him with a lady who already killed 7 husbands and somehow is not in stoned, in prison and is still getting next proposals (that's totally plausible) and then instructs the boy to use... guts from a fish...? To cure his dads eyes and to repel a demon (this is totally in line with how all other miracles and exorcisms work in the rest of the Bible, I can totally tell! Doesn't look at all like pagan magic, right? ...right?)...??? Or maybe you mean Maccabees, ya know with their glorification of suicide in Macc 6 and 2 Macc 14? Or maybe something else, I'm not really sure... but anyway yeah...! We... we can't miss any of that that! However will we ever get saved without having THAT in our Scriptures!? 🤪🤪🤪 And that's taking aside the fact that Jews as far 1st and 2nd century did not consider these books canon, and neither did early Church fathers and "doctors" of Catholic Church like Augustin and Jerome AND the fact that the canon was only dogmatized AFTER Luther made his move first. Not to mention, it's not fine for Luther to remove some of the Septuagint books like Maccabees 1 and 2, but it's totally fine for Catholics to remove other books from Septuagint like Maccabees 3 and 4. Aw, Catholics. You so cute and funny 😚Yes, it truly is just this simple. Luther took the books out, because he was a moron, isn't that right?

[@blobdob1368]

@@mitromney this mf acting like everything in the bible proveable 😂 y’all just debating who got the best verison of a fiction book. Tbh that chapter sounds lit tho lmao

[@mitromney]

@@blobdob1368 some events are hard to prove or disprove. But there are no events in protestant bible you can prove DID NOT happen. In the Catholic Bible though, yeah, there are. Like the Judith fighting a Persian Nabuchodonozzor King, who we know from Persian records, does not exist.

[@kevint7288]

@@mitromney If this is your problem with the deuterocanon, wait until you read the rest of the Old Testament lmao. Pretty sure Trent has a few videos on how Protestants start to sound like atheists in their argumentation, and, well, this is case in point. "Book wrong because it history bad" is an own that actually backfires on yourself if you're a Bible-believing Christian.

[@mitromney]

@@kevint7288 all bark, no bite. If you can really prove Old Testament Bible of Protestants has actual, provable, historical errors, in plain, direct, non-poetry books, like the Catholic one does in the likes of Maccabees and Judith, bring it on and let's discuss. Believe me, the supposed contradictions have been all discussed and resolved a hundred times before you were even born, there are people much smarter than you with proper bibliographical education and experience on their back, stating outloud, unchallenged for decades, that Bible is historically and logically rational, without error down to a verse. Unlike deuterocanonicals, which even Rome agrees, do have errors, contradictions and straight up lies, which is by the way why Catholics were forced to pull back from their traditional belief in Bible inerrancy and instead, you now claim Bible is only "theologically" inerrant, whatever the heck that means. If you're here with something to show, let's do it. I've been studying the Bible in original languages for almost 15 years. I'm genuienly curious if you have something new, that hasn't been debunked a 100 times over. If you don't stop wasting my time.

[@gianpopo2007]

As a non Catholic, I appreciate your work on shedding light on these differences and disagreements. It's very edifying

[@simonslater9024]

Remember friend there’s ONLY ONE CHURCH. Protestant’s belong to 40,000+ man made CULT which are pagan and anti christ. The holy Catholic Church IS Jesus Christ on earth his mystical body that’s it. Please watch the warning or illumination of conscience by Christine Watkins. Then The Papacy can NOT be destroyed. Then Following Padre Pio. Then Don’t call protestant’s Christian! God bless.

[@alwaysrootingfortheantihero123]

oh bishop barron and fr mike schmitz have good videos on catholicism too! very edifying if you want another resource.

[@SailorSabol]

Protestant Calvinist: The Protestant Revolution is great because now we have freedom from tyranny! Also Calvinist: You have no free will or say in the matter. If you go to hell it is because God destined it. If you are saved you actually had no freedom in that, the feeling that you choose the call of God is just an illusion cuz He destined you do be a Christian and there’s nothing you could’ve done to change that. Ummmm Girl wut

[@atrifle8364]

Calvinists share the dubious honor with Islam of violence against the Church. But freedom I guess.

[@iphidamasfilms1245]

protestant: the protestant revolution is great because now we have freedom from tyranny! also protestant: * establishes churches in subjection to the state as instruments of royal power *

[@chad_hominem]

Protestantism makes zero logical sense, is a performative contradiction in and of itself, and thus regresses into inconsistency & becomes incoherent. . They want to avoid “traditions of men”, except their own man made traditions invented in the 1500’s. Somehow they don’t understand that in their rejection of the traditions of the ancient churches (orthodox/catholic), all they’re doing is starting their own made up traditions. Tradition in itself is inescapable for everyone. They say they don’t “add to” scripture or their beliefs, except their reformed theological doctrines (the man made/invented tradition of the solas). The solas are all “additions” to both the true historical Christian faith and also to scripture cause they have to read and superimpose the solas into the texts.

[@simonslater9024]

I’m sorry friend but your totally wrong. Look up Church history and you’ll see there’s ONLY ONE CHURCH the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church then look up the history of the Bible 73 book’s NOT 66. Luther satanically threw out 7 INSPIRED book’s because he didn’t like wow that’s unbelievable and arrogant. There’s ONLY ONE BAPTISM because there’s ONLY ONE CHURCH. Please watch the warning or illumination of conscience by Christine Watkins. Then The Papacy can NOT be destroyed. Then Following Padre Pio. Then Don’t call protestant’s Christian! Protestant’s including the Orthodox say with Satan WE WILL NOT SERVE the infallible Magisterium of the holy Catholic Church the ONLY CHURCH THERE IS. God bless. Jesus from the Cross gave his beautiful and Immaculate mum to be our spiritual mum - please don’t let Satan stop you from asking Mary’s beautiful and loving help!!!

[@russelljenkins2140]

Not so you must have study what is known as hyper Calvinism and never really study his work, the 5 points is not true John Calvin, CH surgeon knew that and perch and fought it

[@jimmydavid1993]

Some Protestants are just so commited to their protest that they can hardly see their inconsistency. I am so surprised by the inconsistency of 5 point Calvinism.

[@cfG21]

what is your opinion on father Luis Toro from venezuela, who is a world wide known catholic apologist in the spanish speaking world that debates pastors using the bible and beats them in open debates? Many former catholics have returned to the church because of him?

[@cfG21]

Fyi calvinists will bend their mind around the truth..more than evangelicals

[@BasedThomist]

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[@bekfastdude8022]

calvinism is consistent ly wrong

[@justaguy328]

@@cfG21 The mental gymnastics that calvinists have to do must be exhausting. I think calvinism will go down as one of the greatest heresies of the church.

[@abrareads]

Anyone else feel that protestants say we as Catholics "hate Luther and protestants," out of projection because of their hate for Catholicism? I don't hate protestants, but I do feel sad for them because they are missing out on the fullness of Christianity.

[@Qwerty-jy9mj]

Their existence is purely reactive, they need something to protest in order to exist, it's their only unifying feature.

[@atrifle8364]

Yes, Catholic apologists of any degree are largely dealing with projection in many Protestant arguments. My husband initially converted in part because we don't hate other groups.

[@GratiaPrima_]

💯

[@gch8810]

Many more Protestants are more likely to claim that “Catholics aren’t saved because they have a false gospel.

[@elf-lordsfriarofthemeadowl2039]

well, there is vitriol and conflicts historically. I'd say there is mroe hate of Catholicism in mainline Protestant churches, than hate of Protestants, because that is a core identity of their church's foundation.

[@TheForbiddenLean]

Prots: "James doesn't teach we are justified by works." James 2:24: "we are justified by works"

[@zuko61245]

Then they like to brag about themselves being “ bible believing christans”

[@zuko61245]

@@TheForbiddenLean i think you tagged the wrong person.

[@TheForbiddenLean]

@@MrKingishere1 No it doesn't. It harmonizes.

[@jawojnicki]

"and NOT BY faith alone!"

[@SailorSabol]

When your drowning in the dark, faith is knowing that God has His hand reached out to save you. Works is taking the effort to take His hand.

[@GranMaese]

Beautifully said. God bless.

[@ComandoWitty]

i like your explanation of it.

[@bumponalog5001]

Bingo. God is always willing to help us, but we have to get off our ass and ask for it.

[@Qwerty-jy9mj]

It's crazy that her defense of the reformation involves talking points about the "American way"

[@atrifle8364]

It's sadly true however, as an American.

[@BBurch1313]

I found that really bizarre as well. Heaven isn’t a democracy.

[@atrifle8364]

@@BBurch1313 - We weren't supposed to be one either. We're supposed to be constitutional republic with substitute king.

[@mathieuconklin3146]

@@atrifle8364 same concept

[@JacobStein1960]

I am personally Jewish and not a Christian however I have never been able to quite comprehend what many Protestants call “Biblical Christianity” or “Sola scriptura”. Apparently they think that if we were to find a university student somewhere in China or North Korea who had never before heard of Christianity. And we were to give him an accurate translation of the Bible (I guess Old and New Testaments). Or we would teach him perfect Biblical Hebrew and Koine Greek and give him the original texts. And then we would tell him “Study these books. They are called the Bible. Based on these books tell us what the authors want people to believe and how they want people to live.” After months of study this bright young person, with no prior knowledge of religion at all, would come back with a list which matches what this particular Protestant believes. It seems incredible to me.

[@bktawiah]

I have been thinking about the exact same thing lately. How can we expect a novice to read the Bible and come up with the correct interpretation, without any prior instruction? It is not done anywhere...not in science, law, or any serious discipline!

[@JacobStein1960]

@@bktawiah This is the best refutation of Protestantism which I have heard kzbin.info/www/bejne/naPLg5qOe9SSqbM

[@Koyomix86]

I see your point but this is a misrepresentation of Protestantism, aside from Protestants who don’t follow any tradition and just wing it with “me and my Bible” beliefs, Protestants do follow the interpretation of scholars. While they don’t have any claim to infallibility the people who’s ideas they follow were intelligent and well learned people (Martin Luther, John Calvin, John Knox etc.) so it’s similar to science in that no one claims infallibility but they listen to the most educated people and build on that. Not saying this is a correct position but people who follow sola sciptura aren’t necessarily non denominational Protestants.

[@TruthHasSpoken]

" “Sola scriptura" .... fails at the table of contents.

[@JacobStein1960]

@@TruthHasSpoken Protestantism is basically Catholic Lite. I understand. Being Catholic involves a lot of stuff plus even the king has to do what the pope tells him to do. It’s a pain in the neck. Protestantism certainly has no claim to greater authenticity.

[@GranMaese]

I love Trent's videos so much. There is something just so satisfying when you listen to a very well-versed man on these subjects that also knows how to explain them calmly and clearly. God Bless.

[@finallythere100]

I see a potential convert in Allie Beth. … I could see with her debate w George Farmer that there is much she needs to learn. And she is smart enough to get it like Dr Scott Hahn and others who. saw the light when they took the time to listen, and understand the many discrepancies that lead to confusion, and all the evidence..

[@finallythere100]

But it should be obvious to her upfront that dogmatic teachings of Christ are not a democracy. They have plenty of fundamental differences, even the Reformers couldn’t agree w basic stuff.

[@bman5257]

Has anyone else noticed when Prots quote James 2, they think the toughest quote for them is “faith without works is dead.” And ignore the atom bomb of: “a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.” James 2:24

[@atrifle8364]

There is reason Luther wanted James out of the Bible.

[@bman5257]

@@atrifle8364 Never ask a woman her age, a man his salary, or a Protestant what Martin Luther said about Esther, Revelation, and James.

[@councilofflorence4896]

Literally every Protestant I debate ignores that latter verse.

[@duckymomo7935]

The book of Janes is talking about to people You show to people you have faith by fruits and works but the justification is by faith There’s no contradiction Catholics on the other hand just say works works but don’t specify how many Hail Marys to say before saved or what’s a mortal sin

[@bman5257]

@@duckymomo7935 Except it never says that it’s only to people, and the two examples James gives are an old man alone on a mountain and a prostitute helping an enemy combatant in the middle of the night.

[@mavrickglo]

I am Anglican. Lately I have been getting so annoyed at Protestants who say, oh we agree on all the primary issues of salvation. Schism in Protestantism should not be brushed aside as if it is no big deal.

[@tess3390]

I think the doctrine of the “invisible church” in much of Protestantism makes division inevitable. How can you schism from an invisible church? Although it is interesting that even in classical Protestant denominations that have more of a visible church concept (Lutheran, Anglican, Presbyterian) there’s no push to just unite because they agree on essentials.

[@dougy6237]

If you dont have an infallible church, Christ lied. He promised his church would teach his truth, in his name, until the end. Only one organisation claims infallibility. It's all very simple.

[@trevorsrq6179]

That’s because God commands us all to be ONE Accord. One baptism, one communion, one true church, one true doctrine that all must conform to. One true, Holy Spirit-led interpretation. It’s the only thing that makes sense. We’re not afforded the right to privately interpret Scripture or start our own denomination. Ex-Protestant of 15 years. Something is either truth, or heresy.

[@dougy6237]

@@trevorsrq6179 Good on you Trevor! The more you think of it, the idea of taking a part or the Tradition, privately interpreting it, and clamiming for yourself the authority which you deny Christs church, is quite bizarre. Peace be with your spirit brother.

[@dougy6237]

The claim to agree on the 2 essentials of Faith Alone and Bible Alone is infact false. Here is part of an article from Catholic Answers: Disunity on “Faith Alone” Lutherans understand the formula of sola fide in a way that does not exclude baptism as a means of justification, as do some Anglicans, some Presbyterians in relation to elect infants, and members of the Campbellite or “Church of Christ” movement. For many Protestants, however, the idea of baptism as a means of salvation is seen as a direct violation of sola fide. This division goes back to the early days of the Protestant Reformation, as illustrated by Luther’s Large Catechism, in which he excoriates Anabaptists for the new, non-baptismal interpretation they were giving his “faith alone” formula. Following their founder, Lutherans also understand sola fide in a way that allows salvation to be lost, as do most Methodists, Wesleyans, Pentecostals, Charismatics, and many Anglicans. However, Calvinists, Baptists, and many non-denominational Evangelicals influenced by Calvinists hold that, if it is possible to lose salvation, then justification is accomplished in part by one’s “works” (in this case, avoiding the sins that would cause its loss), which is a violation of sola fide. (Those who concede the possibility of losing salvation are also split on the possibility of regaining it after a fall.) Lutherans, Calvinists, Methodists, Pentecostals, and many Anglicans and Baptists understand sola fide in a way that requires one to repent of one’s sins in order to be justified. However, some Baptists, non-denominational Evangelicals, and especially many Dispensationalists hold that, if repentance is understood as involving a behavioral change whereby one turns away from one’s sinful pattern of life, then salvation is in some measure “by works,” violating sola fide. One of the most contentious points among Protestants is the meaning of the term faith in “faith alone.” It is widely recognized, per James 2:14-26, that not all forms of faith justify. However, there is great disagreement over the nature of “saving faith” or “justifying faith.” Some Protestants, such as Z. Hodges and C. C. Ryrie, appear to hold that saving faith consists of a person’s recognition and acceptance of the fact that Christ died for him (part of what Catholics call the virtue of faith). Others, such as R. C. Sproul, insist that saving faith includes a conscious decision to trust Christ for salvation (equivalent to what Catholics call the virtue of hope). Still others, in keeping with Galatians 5:6, insist that saving faith includes trust and results in a life of good works, which are inspired by supernatural love (equivalent to what Catholics call the virtue of charity). Various Protestants will also add into the definition of faith the need for faith to be expressed in baptism, the need for faith to be expressed in repentance, the need for faith to be expressed in good works, the need for a particular form of emotional confidence, the need to have faith in God rather than “faith in one’s own faith,” and other qualifiers. Those who do not share the same understanding of saving faith are, by necessity, looked upon as having a false understanding of “faith alone.” Disunity on “Scripture Alone” Protestants also disagree over sola scriptura. Aside from the fact that some Protestants (e.g., some Lutherans) are willing to concede that certain books might not belong in the canon of Scripture-thus disagreeing with fellow Protestants on what counts as Scripture-there is a wide range of exceptions and qualifications that different groups wish to be made. Many Anglicans and some Lutherans and Calvinists give the early Church Fathers an authoritative-but not binding-role in the interpretation of Scripture. Many of the same individuals give this interpretive role to the early ecumenical councils and certain key creeds (e.g., the Apostles’, Nicene, and Athanasian). Many Protestants from confessional traditions (Lutherans, Calvinists, and Anglicans) also wish to see the confessions of their particular movements given special weight in the interpretation of Scripture. Many Protestants honor the principle that academic study tools and techniques should be used in the interpretation of Scripture, such as linguistic, literary, archaeological, cultural, historical, and critical studies). Other Protestants reject some or all of these methods. Some even go to the extreme of limiting interpretation to a single translation (usually the King James Version) as interpreted without academic training or resources. Pentecostals, Protestant Charismatics, and Word-Faith adherents insist that in interpreting Scripture, information provided as “revelation knowledge” by the charismatic gifts must be taken into account. Other Protestants reject any role for such alleged information.

[@Mitenilk08]

I say this as an Anglican, but if the divisions between protestants are mostly on secondary issues, then doesn't that make the divisions even worse? It seems like if you're going to schism, it oughtta be on something of primary importance only.

[@impasse0124]

That’s an interesting perspective. But I also object to the classification of issues as primary, secondary, or tertiary because even that isn’t laid out clearly in Sacred Scripture. She mentions baptism as not being a primary issue and yet it would seem to me that it most certainly is primary. The question behind that is whether or not baptism is necessary for salvation and I can’t think of many things more fundamental. Truth matters for its own sake and I don’t think any Christian should ever be okay with fractions because that means Truth is being lost and souls are being led astray

[@bman5257]

I guess that even if it’s secondary a disagreement may govern the practice of the church unworkable. Let me give an example, say there is a Baptist and a Presbyterian. They are totally fine with the other side baptizing or not baptizing their babies, but they can’t really be in the same church because that church is either going to have infant baptism as part of its service or not.

[@marccrotty8447]

@@impasse0124 Agree with your "1st, 2nd, or 3rd" importance of issues. Protestants develop their own hierarchy of Scripture. The importance of any particular verse depends on the sect to which they belong.

[@brookman9779]

I'm still looking within the scriptures where the Apostles (and others who wrote the NT) provided a table of contents in the NT listing all canonical books from the OT and NT so we would know what scriptura to be Sola on.

[@bazzy8376]

@@impasse0124 who decided which issues were primary?

[@toddbyrd9071]

"Freedom to disagree with the Truth revealed by God is awesome because it's just like America!" Pope Leo XIII warned about this

[@Qwerty-jy9mj]

Exactly

[@bucksfan77]

Do you have a citation or source I can look up? I've been reading Leo lately. Just read his encyclical on the working classes

[@scimaniac]

heresy of americanism

[@Qwerty-jy9mj]

@@bucksfan77 The most famous writing he did on it was called Testem Benevolentiae, although to be fair it refer to suspicious attitudes within the Catholic Church and not outside of it. But it does illustrate the dangers of liberalism and it's protestantizing influence by nature.

[@bucksfan77]

@Qwerty thanks I'm going to check that out

[@Mila-kz8tt]

-We have just minor difrences like baptism... -What ???? I thought you said minor ????

[@Qwerty-jy9mj]

Maybe I'm mistaken but Calvinists even deny the sacraments. To say that any given protestant sect is doctrinally close to another within the broad context of their opposition of the Catholic Church is nuts

[@l21n18]

@@Qwerty-jy9mj depends what Calvinist you’re talking about. Reformed and Presbyterian have a higher view of the sacraments historically, “Reformed” Baptists not so much. What’s amazing is how far so many Protestants are from their founding fathers

[@atrifle8364]

@@_ready__ - Jesus said you need it for salvation. Highly recommend you don't ignore him.

[@4309chris]

@@_ready__ believing is a work

[@4309chris]

@@atrifle8364 protestants are the build a bear religion. they stuff what they like into their bear. everyone's bears are different

[@thecatechumen]

Allie B Stuckey: "James 2:14 doesn't mean that we are justified by works." James 2:24 be like: "..."

[@greenchristendom4116]

I'm glad someone brought that up. Because that is a major omission, I hope it wasn't deliberate on her part. Dont know how one could get around it as it literally contradicts what she's saying.

[@thecatechumen]

@@greenchristendom4116 Exactly. It is certainly ironic (as others have commented) that Protestants think James 2:14 is more of a trouble passage than 10 verses after.

[@coffeeanddavid]

Justified how? Do you mean initially? Because for Catholics, your initial justification is absolutely done WITHOUT works or merit on the Catholic's part. Prots agree here. Where the disagree with is: Final/Increased Justification. You have to read that INTO the text. OR, you could just accept the Protestant view that acknowledges good works spring from the gift of faith given to us in our baptism, justifying us. Kind of like how good fruit produces off a vine once it's grafted onto the good vine (funny how OUR works don't play into that parable either).

[@thecatechumen]

@@coffeeanddavid Correct. Initial justification is apart from works. Final justification, as James says, is by works and not by faith alone. Protestants typically disagree with the plain words of James 2:24, because the Protestant movement hasn't existed long enough to iron out all of the difficulties that come with man-made traditions like Sola Scriptura. All good works are a result of God's grace in Catholic theology and done through faith. If anything, Protestants got the notion of works springing from faith from Catholicism which preceeds it. The parable of the vine perfectly illustrates the Catholic understanding of works. For, the fruitless branches are cut off and thrown into the fire (denying the Reformed doctrine of eternal security), further securing the idea that what matters in the Christian life is perseverance in the faith by keeping the commandments.

[@coffeeanddavid]

@@thecatechumen Two things: 1) At what point in James does he say his epistle is about "final justification?" 2) Your conclusion is odd. You don't have to be Catholic to keep the commandments. You also don't have to be Prot. You could be Jewish, or Muslim, or Mormon. If what matters in the Christian life is just: "perseverance in the faith by keeping the commandments..." what exactly is the big deal?

[@jeremyadkins5600]

"Disagreement comes from freedom". True. But so does sin. It comes from freedom/free will. Doesn't mean it's OK.

[@Vereglez-d4z]

Pray for Allie

[@SiraMulberry-ym3ll]

Why? She is saved in Jesus

[@daviddragona1853]

PRAY THAT ALLIE WILL COME HOME TO THE LATIN

[@daviddragona1853]

PLEASE ALLIE COME HOME

[@yoylos3p]

She has such disdain for Catholics even though she knows she has many catholic followers.

[@johnalexis8284]

​@@daviddragona1853you better pray for Trent

[@awesomepotater1508]

I am taking AP World History this year at a church that has many Protestant teachings. It is disgusting to me how much of this is ommitted when teaching the reformation. My own teacher doesn't even know what purgatory is, or even that the church still teaches it! They paint the Catholic Church as the bad guy no matter what (in certain instances they clearly were), yet fail to recognize the issues within the teachings of Martin Luther. I am so thankful that this channel exists, as it helps me to clearly understand the history and teachings of the Church, as well as increase in the knowledge of Christ and current issues. Collosians 1:10 "That you may walk worthy of the Lord, fully pleasing Him, being fruitful in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God"

[@Littlemermaid17]

She is so spot on and discerning on most subjects, it’s really strange that the perfect evidence for Catholicism evades her.

[@definitelynotaheretic.7295]

I think this can be said about a lot of Protestants. For example, I think David French is that type of person, and has recently been taking social positions much more inline with Catholic understanding of Social Justice. He’s finding that honestly applying his faith to the world is a lot more messy than most Protestants make it. So while he has sounded more and more Catholic in the past year, he is still very much Presbyterian, and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.

[@WhyCatholicdotCom]

I suspect she has not looked a the evidence her arguments against the church are rather banal

[@cfG21]

@@definitelynotaheretic.7295 what is your opinion on father Luis Toro from venezuela, who is a world wide known catholic apologist in the spanish speaking world that debates pastors using the bible and beats them in open debates? Many former catholics have returned to the church because of him?

[@kynesilagan2676]

@@definitelynotaheretic.7295 This is the inverse of those who are visibly Catholics but are not in line with her teachings. I hope and pray I know and abide better.

[@duckymomo7935]

There’s no evidence for Catholicism Papacy, Marian dogmas and purgatory are wrong doctrines

[@canibezeroun1988]

I can't believe she said disagreements with Protestants were minor LOL. I am a former Charismatic and I can assure you there was always a complaint from the mainlines and the nondenominational Calvinists about speaking in tongues, and being able to lose Salvation. Calvinists always say you weren't really saved then and ignore every single verse about needing to work for Jesus and mainlines always criticized how easily a Charismatic Church can just pop up. We would always trash the mainlines for having relgion and no relationship or spirit because they put God in a box.

[@P-el4zd]

@@_ready__ By faith in Christ Jesus. How was Abraham saved? By faith.

[@atrifle8364]

@@P-el4zd - Matthew 7:19 through the rest of the chapter. Matthew 25. Abraham obeyed God to the point of offering his only begotten son.

[@P-el4zd]

Well the sacraments are not minor. Protestants and Catholics have a tendency of maximizing their differences.

[@P-el4zd]

I suppose as a former charismatic, you must fit in with the charismatic Catholics? 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@atrifle8364]

@@P-el4zd - The truth merely stays in place. People are welcome to travel as far as they would like from it.

[@EpoRose1]

“Luther was so brave, standing up to the Catholic hierarchy, he risked his life! The Catholics controlled everything!” Luther, about 9 years later, telling the Lords to kill rebelling peasants- “Therefore, dear lords, here is a place where you can release, rescue, help. Have mercy on these poor people! Stab, smite, slay, whoever you can.” - Against the Robbing and Murdering Hordes of Peasants

[@sasquatchhunter86]

The only reason why Luther was successful was because kings and rulers used it as political opportunity to expand their own power.

[@viviennedunbar3374]

@@sasquatchhunter86 Exactly the same outcome in the English Reformation, all the Church lands and property ends up in the hands of the King and a close group of his mates (friends). What a surprise. How holy of them.

[@PolymorphicPenguin]

Plus, for the last five years of his life, Luther really hated Jews, apparently because he thought that they would like his teachings and all convert to Christianity. Even as a Protestant, I don't think we should paint Luther as someone who could do no wrong. Luther definitely wasn't perfect.

[@live_free_or_die7260]

@@PolymorphicPenguin During the Nazi reign, they used the image of Martin Luther, who hated the Jews.

[@rebeccaprewett5014]

@@PolymorphicPenguin I said for years (when I was still Protestant) that American Protestants would be far less enamored with Luther if they read him in the original German instead of sanitized English translations. He was not a nice man, to put it kindly. He had issues.

[@nathanngumi8467]

A great episode! It is interesting that Allie quotes John 3:18 to state justification is by grace. Yet earlier in the chapter, Jesus told Nicodemus that being born again of water and spirit is necessary.

[@michaal105]

Being bor again of water and the Spirit is by grace. Are you suggesting that we aren't regenerated by grace?

[@annakareninnav2427]

Finally!!!! The rebuttal I’ve been waiting for.

[@cfG21]

what is your opinion on father Luis Toro from venezuela, who is a world wide known catholic apologist in the spanish speaking world that debates pastors using the bible and beats them in open debates? Many former catholics have returned to the church because of him?

[@GumbyJumpOff]

@@cfG21 are there any translated debates of his?

[@loulasher]

Around 4:55 She's treating the idea of freedom as an end and not a tool used to find what is right and true. Freedom should lead to exploration of ideas and gaining better perspectives, such that the appearance of difference or an actual difference is a temporary state of being. The continued expansion of denominations is a abuse of this freedom by treating it as an end to itself and not a tool for something greater. I think she's good, and I do pray that we regain the unity we're supposed to have.

[@jake6132]

Sometimes I don't know how much KZbin's algorithms are guiding my thoughts and interests, but it seems like your videos and all the stuff with Cameron Bertuzzi have lined up with my recent interests in the Reformation and the Church's response. Thank you for these great videos!

[@jiminycricket1593]

Thanks for being the powerhouse we need now more than ever Trent!

[@kiryu-chan577]

Trent is EPIC. I am persuaded that indulgences are a gift from God. When she said the Bishops were living a life of opulence, I couldn't believe the hypocrisy. I guess she doesn't mind the tv evangelist flying in private jets and living in mansions and teaching prosperity gospels like send me money today and God will give you 10 fold.

[@catholicrakelle]

I love and appreciate Allie so much because she sparked my interest in Christianity back in 2020, but I’m glad someone finally addressed her ignorance when it comes to Catholicism.

[@Real_LiamOBryan]

She's ignorant about Calvinism, Arminianism, and Traditionalism/Provisionism as well.

[@cw-on-yt]

People keep _missing the point,_ when they ask, "How many Protestant denominations are there?" ...and then go on to tick off, "Presbyterians, Lutherans, Seventh-Day Adventists, Anglicans..." as if each of these names was a single item. The point is: How many fully-working judicial systems of church discipline (able to render Matthew 18-style adjudication of behavioral and doctrinal disputes) are there? For the Catholic church, there is exactly one such system, although each Particular Church within the larger federation has its own canonical process. These systems all retain the option to "appeal to Rome," which is what unifies the systems into a single judicial authority. It is only non-enforcement or lax enforcement of that one system which leads to any impression of division in the church. For the various Orthodox churches, there is one such system for each church, and a sort of overlap for Patriarchs and synods, but in some cases the option of appealing to some higher level of authority is uncertain. For example, if the Ukrainian Orthodox wished to take their dispute with the Russian Orthodox (over their status as an autocephalous church) to a higher authority, it's debatable whether they even could, or to what higher authority they could go. (Russia went into schism with Constantinople as soon as Constantinople started treating Ukraine as autocephalous.) So, it's complicated. But not nearly so complicated as in the Protestant world! In the Protestant world, if a member of 1st Baptist Church of Mableton gets into a dispute with a member of 2nd Baptist Church of Mableton, and if "two or three witnesses" are insufficient to settle the matter, and they decide to "take it to the Church" (Matthew 18:17), they'll be stuck. To which church shall they take it? Even supposing that the two churches -- Baptists are famously congregationally independent -- create an _ad hoc_ judicial body comprised of pastors, associate pastors, and deacons from each church, and even supposing this body rules in favor of one disputant, what is to prevent the _other_ disputant from walking down the street and joining _3rd Baptist Church of Mableton_ the very next Sunday? What if their dispute is about a matter of doctrine? What if one disputant believes in infant baptism, and calls the other a heretic for teaching that "baptism is for (cognizant) believers only" ...? And the latter calls the former a heretic for affirming the baptism of infants? Wrongly calling a fellow Christian a heretic _is a grave sin._ So will they go to a Methodist church, or to a Baptist church, for adjudication of the matter? (The Methodists practice infant baptism; the Baptists, ironically, do not!) Read through Matthew 18. It's clear Jesus intends this judicial authority to be _significant_ and for its rulings to _matter._ It's clear He intended that His disciples would _fear_ being cast out of the community to be treated "as a heathen or publican." No doubt He intends this for our _benefit,_ and He sees church discipline has having a _medicinal_ intent. Either way, He did not intend the process to be _of no practical relevance whastoever._ In short, it's clear Jesus expects "The Church" to be able to _handle_ such matters in such a way as to distinguish those _inside_ His Church from those _outside_ of it. And, this approach was _normative_ for the New Testament Church, as we see when Paul is _scandalized_ by the thought of Christians taking intra-Christian disputes into the pagan courts! So THAT, then, ought to be our standard. Two churches -- including house-churches founded yesterday -- count as separate denominations if their _judicial systems_ are not sufficiently-united to allow them to settle behavioral and doctrinal disputes within or between them. How many "denominations" are there, then? Five million? Ten?

[@gk3292]

@cordsworks…spot on!!🎯Amen!!

[@GumbyJumpOff]

I feel like I've already told you this one months ago on another thread. Might have been someone else then though. Regardless. I'm screenshotting this. I never thought about it like that and I think you're right. Maybe some day I'll pull this up for those friends who believe in just an invisible Mystical Body of Christ and don't really attend any church.

[@cw-on-yt]

@@GumbyJumpOff: Thanks, Matt. I'm happy if these insights prove to be helpful, for anyone. I might very well have posted something very similar on another thread. (Probably more than once!) The lack of _disciplinary unity-of-authority_ is one of the things that helped me become Catholic, although I didn't recognize at the time that _that_ was where it would lead. So I tend to talk about it whenever related topics (like how to count the denominations) arise. Back around the year 2001* when I was still a perfectly-content Protestant Evangelical, there was a personal matter involving members of my family, which _should have_ been something we could "take to the Church" in a Matthew 18 fashion. So naturally we followed the Scriptural pattern: First privately trying to convince them; then with "two or three witnesses"; and then we "took it to the church" (meaning our local congregation's leadership). But the persons who would have been subjected to some measure of church discipline were unaffected by the process, because they merely...left. They didn't leave the faith, though. They left our (Baptist) church and started attending another slightly-different church. Not long after that they were deemed sufficiently-in-good-standing at their new church that they publicly served that church in a lay-ministerial quasi-liturgical capacity. This left me pretty scandalized for a few years, because it _clearly meant something was wrong._ We'd followed the process; we'd trusted in Christ's established system; and it turned out to be nonsensical, unworkable, pointless and basically ridiculous. I want to be clear what I am saying: I am not merely saying that I was shocked that it didn't "work," in the sense of medicinally calling sinners to repentance or heretics to orthodoxy. The discipline process established by Christ _clearly_ anticipates obstinacy as an option: It's why Jesus says that _if_ they refuse to listen "even to the Church," we are to treat them as no longer members of the community or household of God. So I went into the process with eyes open to the possibility that they'd respond negatively. Similarly, I would not have been much shocked if these recalcitrant family members had left our more-orthodox church for some other church of a "liberal" variety. Had they joined, say, a liberal Episcopalian church, or a Unitarian/Universalist congregation, I'd have just shrugged and said, "Well, whaddaya expect?" But in fact the new church was one that I would otherwise have respected as reasonably-orthodox. (It was the sister church of another place where I'd served for some years as a church musician, with no complaints!) And that drove the point home: It was _not_ that the recalcitrant persons merely stopped being Christians, or even that they adopted some near-beer risibly-diluted facsimile of the faith. It was that they just... _went right on their merry way_ being Christians, and there was no real _applicability_ of church discipline to them, _not even in principle_ (given a congregational pattern of church governance). It was almost as if _Christ Himself_ had never anticipated the possibility that people would have entirely-independent churches. Now, that wasn't possible. Setting aside His divinity, I believe that even in His humanity, Christ _knew_ this would happen, for He "know what was in the heart of a man," and "would not entrust Himself to the crowds." Oh, He knew people would divide over doctrinal details. But _the system He put in place gave not even the slightest provision for normalizing the divisions._ For Christ, those inside, were inside; those outside, were "as heathens and publicans" ...and the distinction between inside and outside was "listening to the Church." Anyway, when I later started reading my way into the Catholic Church, this all fell into place. It neatly demonstrated the fundamental necessity of the Petrine Office. Sure, there are plenty of _other_ reasons to become Catholic, and they all fed into my decision as well. But the impossibility -- the outright _silliness_ -- of Christ's church-discipline system if Protestant ecclesiology is correct made me convinced that even if Catholicism _weren't_ correct, any non-unified ecclesiology was _worse._ After reading the Fathers, I knew that I _could_ be Catholic; but after observing the untenable quality of disunity among Christians, I knew I could never again be a Protestant. (Or, I discovered later, an Orthodox, for exactly the same reasons.) So here I am. * = Re: "Back around the year 2001": I'm old enough that it (still) astonishes me that references to 2001 aren't pointing to some distant technological future. I was unable to write the phrase "[b]ack around the year 2001" without laughing! 🤣

[@pemcortes9467]

Very enlightening.

[@sentjojo]

What I think gets lost in the debate over the Pope and infallibility is exactly this point. Did Christ leave us with one church authority or did he leave us many church authorities? Reading the NT makes it clear there should be one Catholic and Apostolic church. No where in the NT does it say any Joe Blow can pick up a bible and wield their own church authority by their own interpretation.

[@kaykay1076]

I like her too, and I’ve followed her for years! I always pester her on Instagram to become Catholic. She used to post more about her Catholic friends and seemed more amiable to Catholicism then she is these days 💁🏼‍♀️

[@Lerian_V]

We find in one of Luther's letters written to Melancthon in 1521, the following sentence: "BE A SINNER AND SIN BOLDLY, BUT BELIEVE AND REJOICE IN CHRIST MORE STRONGLY, who triumphed over sin, death, and the world; AS LONG AS WE LIVE HERE, WE MUST SIN." Could anyone do more to degrade St. Paul's concept of justification than Luther did in the following blasphemy: "IF AN ADULTERY COULD BE COMMITTED IN FAITH, IT WOULD NOT BE A SIN"? (Cf. Möhler, "Symbolik", sec. 16).

[@FissileThomist]

I think the best way to sum the damage Martin Luther did is that "Luther and the reformation singlehandedly took away a sacramental worldview that has always been retained by the Catholic Church." Sacramental worldview is defined as God mediating thru his creation to bestow grace to human being

[@coffeeanddavid]

Weird... as a Lutheran we have a Sacramental world view that largely matches the Catholic Church. How did he take that away... exactly?

[@mj6493]

I don't think you want to put that on Luther. More likely the Enlightenment Humanists.

[@atrifle8364]

@@coffeeanddavid - You actually don't. There are sacraments, but they do not have the nature that they do in Catholicism, particularly communion. There are also less of them, which is a Lutheranism.

[@coffeeanddavid]

@@atrifle8364 Lutheranism does not put a number on the Sacraments, I actually think there's more... but go on, please keep showing your hand ;) Tell me the how the nature is different?

[@atrifle8364]

@@coffeeanddavid - No, Luther took away sacraments, he did not add to them. Holy Orders does not exist, although priests are ordained. Lutherans argue about confession, which is why there are Confessional Lutherans. But you should know that because you took a test to be confirmed. This is not my wheelhouse. Lutherans do I think keep the regenerative nature of baptism, but they do not believe in transubstantion. It's bizarre hybrid type idea that's "almost" the real presence maybe. What you believe though depends on your synod, so it's silly for me to be telling you this.

[@franciscoguzman1065]

She clearly has no clue about the disagreements with protestants themselves. Each has their own personal interpretation of the bible which peter in the bible warns us about. Let’s give out bibles and everyone can come out to their own personal interpretation.

[@takmaps]

Her downplaying the disagreements is almost disingenuous.

[@conovan5081]

@@takmaps For someone who works in this type of commentary, she has no excuses, it's either disingenuous or she's ignorant and therefore she shouldn't be talking about this.

[@franciscoguzman1065]

@Conovan if she did some research on the founder of her sect she would know more about the subject. Luther even wanted to remove the book of James which other people told him wisely not to do.

[@petertherock7340]

Lutherans still teach that baptism regenerates the soul even as a baby. Anglicans also teach this doctrine. If baptism is necessary for salvation or regeneration (1 Peter 3: 21), how can one be saved by “faith alone?” (James 2: 24). This is not a secondary issue according to Calvinists. Sola Gratia… Sola Fide… Sola Scriptura…. Maybe Protestants do NOT agree on fundamentals after all? In addition, Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses technically fall under the Big Tent of Protestantism in theory. Her reasoning about Protestant harmony is only imaginary. 😊

[@michaelibach9063]

@@petertherock7340 anyone that reads a 66 book bible is Protestant in my book.

[@ComandoWitty]

I think the issue with Protestantism is how cherry picked it is. As someone who converted, i can understand how protestants reject things. For example confession. When i was discovering the truth, i wished to reject confession because the thought of having to tell someone my darkest secrets was terrifying. But through scripture and church history, i grew to accept and love it. The issue with Protestantism is simply choosing what is most comfortable. That's what i'd say led Luther himself to found his religion. He suffered greatly from scrupulosity. By forming a religion around his comforts and by gaining support, he felt safe. This is why we have so many denominations now. Others want to choose their path of comfort. As to why protestants are so anti catholic is because the church is true. Simple as that. They will deny amazing things such as the eucharist bc it gives the Catholics a points as to being right. If catholics are right about either the papacy, the eucharist, confession, etc, than it puts a major crack into Protestantism. This also explains why protestants are so united despite (as Trent says) "being far more differnt than they are with Catholics" They will turn a blind eye to major differences if it allows them to be united against the parent church. As long as catholicism is wrong, they have a chance at being right. Protestantism is really living in fear. Always trying to twist things until it fits. I've came to realize that proving Catholicism isnt exactly hard. It takes no effort in understanding the truth. The only reason why prots are rushing to be catholic is simply bc they can't be wring. They cant accept it. This is why whenever you explain something, they'll either 1. reject the scripture you've used and use a generic cherry picked verse out of context, or 2. simply ignore what you said and change the topic to some other misunderstanding of an argument. On the bright side, i thank God every time i watch a trent horn vid bc i would never wanna face a prot version of him xd

[@cfG21]

what is your opinion on father Luis Toro from venezuela, who is a world wide known catholic apologist in the spanish speaking world that debates pastors using the bible and beats them in open debates? Many former catholics have returned to the church because of him?

[@southbug27]

You can’t underestimate how much the KKK influenced the anti-Catholic hatred, lies, & beliefs among Southern Protestants & unfortunately, even though many Southern Protestants today wouldn’t have anything to do with the Klan, a majority, especially among evangelicals are still passing on the KKK propaganda & logic, i.e. just tell Catholics what they believe even if they say they don’t & the Catechism says they don’t. These beliefs have been passed down by beloved parents, grandparents, preaches, Sunday school teachers, & because of this, they can’t comprehend that the information is false. I say this as a Southern Protestant who has been disgusted & perplexed by these attitudes since I was a very you g child because I thought it was obvious that the terrible things they said simply could NOT be true about the Christians in the Bible & the Christians throughout early Christian history. The truth is that many of them don’t actually care about the truth regarding Catholics, & in their minds, Catholics believe what they say they do & they would literally argue the points with Jesus & the apostles.

[@ComandoWitty]

@@southbug27 amen brother. I can tell you got a big brain.

[@pemcortes9467]

You are so spot on in your analysis.

[@venalegaoi4218]

18:03 "At the end of the day, one or all of us is wrong, and that scripture is always right" - Allie referring to all Protestants. Well there you go, she has admitted it. That's why Jesus established his one and only Church who we can rely on to interpret his holy word.

[@KH-sx1xv]

Just love this. Usually enjoy listening to Allie Beth but not so much her ' Reformation' podcast. I wouldn't have been knowledgable enough to critique it but thank goodness for Trent Horn who with his great knowledge of our faith, reviews it so well. Well done Trent!!

[@JohnR.T.B.]

"I do not pray for these only, but also for those who believe in me through their word, that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. The glory which thou hast given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, I in them and thou in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that thou hast sent me and hast loved them even as thou hast loved me." (John 17: 20-23)

[@PolymorphicPenguin]

Christian unity is definitely a good thing, but if you want Protestants to become Catholic for the sake of unity, would you do the same thing in reverse: switch to a Protestant denomination to be united with them? If you say, "No way would I join their church with all their horrible beliefs," that's how a lot of Protestants feel but the other way around. I think it would be great if all Christians were acting in perfect unity, but first we need to acknowledge that we aren't all going to agree on everything. We need a unity that transcends doctrine.

[@darrylbatchem8985]

I've never understood this protestant "selling indulgences" thing when the protestant churches preach that you will receive God's blessing if you give them money. Not just a little money, lots of money, in fact give more money and you will receive God's blessing in folds, and they never bat an eye-lid.

[@danielhaas9469]

This isn't the same issue...those who do this are damaging God's people. They have broken the gospel message that it isn't Christian anymore. Keep in mind the difference being back in those days you had no way out. You couldn't stand up to the bishops and clergy if you saw abuses. The clergy and bishops and even popes were covering up their sin and denying them. These sins are still being felt to this very day about sex abuse and financial abuse etc. Does this happen across protestants too yes? But the difference is you can stand up to them and turn them into state authorities. People were killed mate for believing differently than Catholics too. People were tortured for standing up. People were told by this act of going to war during the crusades that anything they do will be forgiven. Now you say that the magisterium is subject to scripture then where in the world does it say to go conquer other nations because if you do you will be forgiven? It doesn't and that is saying that the popes who did this elevated themselves above God. What does scripture say about the state of Israel after the destruction ofcthrc2nd temple? That gentiles would trample underfoot Israel until the fullness ofcthe gentiles would come in. This happened in 1968 during thr 3 day war where Israel is now a nation again precisely as God had stated.

[@brookman9779]

@@danielhaas9469 None of what you said changes the fact that the Lord gave us a church, not a book.

[@darrylbatchem8985]

@@danielhaas9469 It sounds like you are lacking faith in the power and authority of Jesus Christ to do his job as King of the Universe and you are therefore willing to shift that power to a rebellion instead. A rebellion which is willing to change the Gospel removing the bits and pieces it doesn't like as a means of fueling the success of that rebellion. The product of which is hodge podge of "truth" among protestants with no leadership and no direction where the only thing they can actually agree on is that it was a good idea or at least repeatingly tell themselves so.

[@danielhaas9469]

@Darryl Batchem wow, such unruly judgements and assumptions about me. Why can't you accept that RCC has done shameful acts throughout its history and continues to do them to this very day! God as King will judge all of us! But what I don't understand is the constant defense of how the church behaves at times. Many RCC apologists down play the severity of historical accounts! It is time to own up to all the nonsense it has done and repent of it.

[@danielhaas9469]

@Brookman the Church is subservient to a book. Not just any book but our Fathers book. Why is it so difficult for you to accept that the word of God is formally sufficient? What you are saying is this: let's say before your day at school your parents wrote down for you hoe to act towards your fellow classmates, instructs you how to show kindness and respect even when you are being bullied! But let's say at some point throughout the day your teacher looks at it and then adds something that either you parents never said or wanted you to dol ike berrate other kids who dont share your beliefs and beat them. Which authority wins? The sole reason why I listen to what you call just a book is because this book is God's word who has ultimate authority over us. As such I listen to God over any man! Christ instructs us to do the same. Show respect to those who are over you but if and when they say things and or want you to do things that God never told you nor entered into his mind we are to ignore them and follow God.

[@BastianHelena]

Isn’t she a Calvinist? Doesn’t she believe in predestination regardless of one’s receptivity to salvation? 🤨 That’s a pretty big distinction.

[@brianfarley926]

Exactly so why bother being an apologist? According to her God already chose so what’s the point? It’s a bit confusing 😂

[@BastianHelena]

@@brianfarley926 I always found that element to be confusing. What are you trying to sway people of if it is decided already?

[@jimbus4096]

@@BastianHelena They don't have a choice. They were predestined to be apologists, and some were predestined to be led to salvation through their work. That's how the Calvinist thinks.

[@vinciblegaming6817]

My pastor is a Calvinist and as best as I can tell, if you are moved to receive faith, it is only because the Holy Spirit allowed it. It is a very radical view of grace alone that even faith is not something that comes from you. I have issues with it, coming from the view of The Great Romance, where God initiates and we respond. We love him because He first loved us. The removal of faith as our choice really doesn’t feel right. I understand they are trying to come at the predetermined verse rightly, but still it is rejecting a lot of other scripture to land here.

[@penelopephelange]

No she's Baptist

[@johnflorio3576]

Trent, This might be the best biblical defense of indulgences I’ve seen; I haven’t connected 1 Peter 4:8 to indulgences before - but thanks to you I will now. Allie Beth is, I firmly believe, in the state of “invincible ignorance” with respect to what the Catholic Church teaches. I must point out of course that Allie Beth praised Pope Francis earlier this year over his stance against gender dysphoria. I give her great credit for this. Maybe we need to pray more actively for Allie Beth’s conversion. I normally enjoy her speaking very much. Happy Thanksgiving! John

[@terrynboucher3219]

I like your suggestion to pray for Allie. A true act of charity for someone we love and respect but disagree with on certain issues of faith.

[@Anyone690]

No she’s not in invincible ignorance. She has many catholic friends and she has been told numerous times about Catholicism in a charitable way. She is willfully being ignorant

[@tacticalinsanity7375]

She states that at the time of Luther the Catholic Church was a tyrant. This right here is what is so wrong with people understanding the reformation in Germany and their lack of either wanting, or out of ignorance, to understand the history of Germany up to and during Charles V reign as Holy Roman Emperor. No one talks about the history surrounding the reformation and how the reformation and the Catholic Church interacts with the culture of this period, and most importantly how the culture and politics drive decisions in the Church and influence men in the Church- such as Erasmus, Pope Leo X, Tetzel, Staupitz, Luther, Gotti, Cajetin, Cusa, Melancthon, etc... Do these people even know about the German Empire and its rulers- or lack of any great ruler- such as Frederic III, Maximilian and Charles V. Do they understand men like Philip I of Hesse, Franz von Sickingen, the threat of the Turkish muslim empire knocking on Germany's door, the Swiss Confederation becoming independent, etc... A lot was going on that gives context to decisions both politically and spiritually from Rome. Germany's electoral college or council of 7 was a big deal. It worked to create city states and republics within the empire which led to the environment that Luther was born into- an environment that promoted individual gain over spiritual gain. LOOK AT TODAY, we are in a battle of marxist materialism verse Christianity. The protestants today are fighting for the life of Christianity against Marxism, hmmm... sound familiar? Luther was a product of this political reality and the reformation a by-product. Within this empire, local dynasties were waxing and waning; lay and clerical interests were alternately gaining and losing ground. Sound familiar? Protestants seem to want to ignore history, this is a general trend in my opinion that I see with their arguments. Instead of basing their movement in the general context of "that" time, they try to pick and choose items of information from that period, as they do with bible verses, to formulate and bolster an argument. Anyone can do this about any subject, but this does not make your argument true... the left does this today. You have to understand the lay of the land (context matters) of the middle ages to understand the lay of the land of the renaissance from and in which the reformation blossoms into a grounded movement To understand the medieval mind, one has to study the Church and its mistresses, the political factions, of the middle ages. It lays a foundation of context and strips away ignorance, and ultimately leads you to the understanding the Church is the one true Church of Christ run by men. I might add, men no different than the Protestants, who also made bad decisions and engaged in 'less than holier than thou moments of ill behavior"... right out of the gate also, research Landgrave Philip I of Hesse's bigamy which was promoted and endorsed by Luther and his fellow reformers.

[@gk3292]

@Tactical Insanity…preach it!! Amen!!

[@mariaisabelsantos55]

Wow! You have just summarized everything that I have been discovering about the political atmosphere of that time for some time now. Yes, the church needed to be reformed, to be purified as there was a lot of corruption. It did not mean to do away with its sacred tradition and scripture passages at will. At the end of the day, the indulgences were a minor issue. Of course, the princes of the German kingdoms (you mention one of them) were so happy that Martin Luther came about so they could be supported in creating their own version of the church. And the Protestant movement was devastating to women. After all, If marriage ceases to be a sacrament, then divorce is an easy way out, leaving women, (especially noble women) in a legal and societal limbo.

[@tacticalinsanity7375]

@@mariaisabelsantos55 Thank you for your kind and thoughtful reply. And yes, a great point you mention is the problem with marriage. In the early 1800s American Catholics were calling this out. They noticed that the new movements of "free love" and "communal" congregations in America (for example, the Oneida Community in New York) were getting popular. They cried out that the sacrament of marriage was a holy act between man, woman and God... a covenant. Marriage, through the reformation, has been transformed to a "civil act," or a legal contract. This type of thought has led to the free love, sexual revolution and relativism of modern man's beliefs of sex and marriage. Thank you for bringing up such a great point as to one of the results of the reformation that has grown into lunacy today.

[@HeavnzMiHome]

Very helpful explanation of indulgences and the need for charitable works.

[@harrypotterification]

She's a very intelligent woman. Hopefully you guys will be able to dialog sometime. I can seee her coming home.

[@harrypotterification]

@Tercio Novohispano Scott Hahn, who was also a Calvinist, was probably just as proud.

[@OrthoLou]

Believes the Catholic church has wicked and unbiblical doctrines. Believes in predestination....

[@borneandayak6725]

Nahhh. Protestanism itself means "protest". They are wicked and rebel. Protestanism give birth to modernism and secularism, leads to atheism and agnosticism.

[@vincentpena5574]

Just saying: Predestination is littered throughout the Bible, e.g., Ephesians 1:3-10; Romans 8:38-all of chapter 9; John 6:37-40, 44; Isaiah 43:6-14; Acts 2:23, 13:48 -just to respectfully name a few passages

[@OrthoLou]

@@vincentpena5574 I'm sure many denominations have interpreted those verses as such, and just as many have also interpreted it another way.

[@vincentpena5574]

@@OrthoLou thanks for the response Lou! The Bible, which is basis of our faith shouldn’t be left up to the mere interpretation of denominations. Rather, interpretation is to be as objective as possible, beginning with the literary and societal context of passages, expounding from verses, which are interpreted in light of passages they are in, interpreted in light of chapters they are in, interpreted in light of the books in which they’re situated, interpreted in light of which testament they are located in, interpreted in light of where that message fits in the narrative of the entire Bible. In addition to this, scripture cannot mean for us what it did not mean for the original audience who received it. Furthermore, there are close-handed things which all Christians believe that can be found in the Bible, regardless of denominational preference. There are additionally secondary issues which can remain a little more “open handed” -the ordo salutis being one of them. I think that God’s absolute sovereignty in salvation is seen plainly not only in light of individual passages like this, but it makes complete sense when these passages are put into the context of where they are written. You can also see how this is integrated in light of teachings like God’s eternal decree, foreknowledge, providence, etc. Also, I know Augustine believed it , but didn’t Aquinas also affirm divine determinism?

[@atrifle8364]

@@vincentpena5574 - In other words, you are the last authority on the Bible you own. Yes, we know

[@J-PLeigh8409]

Purgatory is an ancient doctrine in holy Christendom & has only in the past 500 yrs been objected to. Origin 185 A.D; If man departs this life w/ faults he is condemned to fire which burns away the lighter materials & prepares the soul for the Kingdom of God where no one defiled may enter. For if on the foundation of Christ you have built not only gold, silver, & precious stones but also wood, hay, stubble, what do you expect when the soul shall be separated from the body? There are countless church fathers w/ outstanding teachings on purgatory & various favorable texts in scripture. Saint Clement 215 A.D In the other life there will be 2 fires, a devouring & consuming 1 for the incorrigible & for the rest, a fire that sanctifies & doesn't consume like the fire of the forge, a prudent, intelligent fire which penetrates the soul that passes thru it. By punishment after death, men must expiate the least sin before they can enter heaven.

[@Joker22593]

Origen is just quoting The first Letter to the Corinthians here. I think Chapter 3. I may be off a little.

[@J-PLeigh8409]

@@Joker22593 I appreciate you spelling his name correctly where I did not lol, but yes his teaching on purgatory includes part of the biblical text 1Cor 3:11-15. After all it is a scriptural doctrine, & there are many other church fathers on purgatory ie Saint Basil, Saint Gregory, Saint John Chrysostom, Saint Augustine, Cyprian, Tertullian etc etc some which affirm Mat 5:25-26. These are all worth checking out, I just spared everyone the long drawn out comment, but alot can be said w/ scripture & quotes, peace

[@sentjojo]

Most Protestants actually do believe in purgatory when the actual doctrine is explained. Ask a Protestant if 1) is everything in heaven pure and holy? and 2) are you pure (free of all sin) and holy at the time of death? Well in order to go from un-pure and un-holy at death to pure and holy in heaven, God must be doing something in-between to purify us. Protestants don't want to call it purgatory, but that's the entire doctrine of purgatory. Everything else like "how long does it take?" or "where does it happen?" or "what is it like?" is all speculation, not doctrine.

[@J-PLeigh8409]

@@sentjojo I agree

[@zita-lein]

This was awesome. Makes me realize I need to read my Catechism of the Catholic Church carefully from cover to cover.

[@JoshN91]

Father Mike Schmidt is going to do a Catechism in a Year starting 2023. Looking forward to it! It is amazing how many misunderstandings of the Catholic Church can be cleared up by just going to the catechism.

[@littlerock5256]

There is a book outlining the errors in the new catechism.

[@atrifle8364]

@@littlerock5256 - Protestantism comes in many forms. One of them is refusing to accept the authority of living clerics

[@irishandscottish1829]

@@JoshN91 is it going to be on hallow or his KZbin channel?

[@brittoncain5090]

@@irishandscottish1829 Presumably both

[@IzakD8]

I find it ironic that she would quote the Epistle of James on a day celebrating Martin Luther.

[@coffeeanddavid]

It's true that Luther had mixed opinions about James. You hear the oft quoted: He thought it was an epistle of straw! Yes, ish. In context, he was saying that it was light on the Gospel and heavy on the Law... Here's a direct quote from him, about James: "I praise it and consider it a good book, because it sets up no doctrines of men but vigorously promulgates the law of God." I imagine that in his mind, it'd be ideal if James had a balance of Law and Gospel.

[@coffeeanddavid]

@Neil Raleigh Luther also felt that was the infallible Word of God. So much so, in fact, he felt that it should be used to hold the Church accountable for their numerous abuses during the middle ages - an opinion the church hated so much they declared him a heretic and an outlaw. I daresay he believed it was God's infallible Word moreso than Catholics did of his time.

[@Xymage]

​​@@coffeeanddavidhe believed it was the word of God so much that he decided it needed to be removed from the Bible 😂

[@saturncastillon8775]

Well done Trent! Very helpful. Thank you

[@annb9029]

Spot on , I like most things Ali talks about, but if she wants to talk about Catholic teachings at least have a Catholic on who knows the faith and not just personal opinions, im confused to why if Luther is so great why are they all not Lutheran or at least Lutheran missory synod

[@annb9029]

You should debate this guy watch the , pastor Spencer’s smith the chosen is making people catholic he hates Catholics just like Mike Gendron but worse

[@joshuarivera2422]

And big part of the indulgences was not the people using it correctly, but more of the Church at that time taking advantage of it, which was the real issue.

[@danieldavila6281]

Hey Trent, I was raised Baptist after my family converted from Judaism. That little church divide itself at least six times including a strict Calvinist pastor that almost killed it. All this before I graduated from college. Today I’m United with Rome. You threw them a softball on the split number between themselves. She is typical automatically in terms of her belief system and from where I sit, she is all over the map. I heard her video on Ephesians sticking “Alone” in the verse. She is spreading errors without remorse. I have yet to see someone go toe to toe with a real Catholic apologized, like you. I doubt I will see one, ever.

[@Alexander-fr1kk]

If these people put half the effort into studying the word rather that trying to disprove Catholicism they’d make phenomenal Christian Catholics!!! It’s really sad!!!

[@abrareads]

We all need to email Allie and encourage her to have a discussion with Trent.

[@Dilley_G45]

Allie Stuckey is so "reformed" (=calvinist) and yet she doesn't know a woman is not allowed to teach (1 Tim 2:11). But we must not be hard....the calvinist deity has irresistibly decreed for her to teach on her program

[@KingSquirtle999]

The protestant revolt has culminated in the death of christendom. No greater act of evil against the blessed church Christ built has been enacted since the Arch heretic Luther and his progeny. To celebrate that is mind boggling.

[@cephasmwila7537]

Keep it up Trent

[@halo0360]

I as a Confessional Lutheran disagree with Stuckey. We are not divided by secondary issues. I wholeheartedly believe, as a Lutheran, my separation from Calvinists and Baptists is based on primary issues. I would wholeheartedly hold with every fiber of my being hold the real presence of Christ and Baptismal Regeneration. And I do not see those as mere secondary or tertiary issues. Neither did Luther. Luther had no fellowship with Zwingli because Zwingli wouldn’t affirm the real presence.

[@TheThreatenedSwan]

Each succeeding protestant group has irreconcilable differences with their historic predecessors. They also each have different ostensible reasons for separating from the Church, yet as each previous "reason" falls out of favor, successionism, accretionism, etc, none of the protestant groups reconsider. Things like Sola scriptura and private interpretation are also smoke screens no one really believes, and historic protestantism has always played puritan to Rome only to turn around and play papist to their own puritans. And of course, they only take into consideration what ought to be an essential based on which groups they're friends with.

[@michaelibach9063]

@@_ready__ watch what direction you are going and then proceed in the opposite direction

[@michaelibach9063]

@@_ready__ i always have a great day, I know the Truth, I’m free

[@patquint3291]

@@_ready__ How do you get to Heaven? Why do you keep asking this question? Don’t you know? The answer can be found in the New Testament, a group of 27 infallible, inerrant books canonized in the late 4th century by the successors of Jesus Christ’s Apostles and used as part of the Rule of Faith by Christians. The answer can also be found in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, another gift of the living, teaching office of those Apostolic successors in that same Catholic Church. The early Church Fathers would be a good resource also. Along with the 1st century document know as the Didache. Seems you have a lot of studying to do!

[@xelazigadenus]

I appreciate this commentary because I am new to Christianity. I come from a very Atheistic/Agnostic background and didn’t realize how many denominations there were in Protestantism. I am always researching the different denominations but I am a pulled toward Catholicism because of the tradition. I’ve watched a couple masses from my local Catholic Church and ngl it seems so boring but also the only church I’ve attended so far is a “non-denominational” one and we basically sing for over and hour and then listen to the preacher. Lots of lights colors and action. I like it because the energy and love in there but I also feel lost because there’s no authority per se.

[@TruthHasSpoken]

"I’ve watched a couple masses from my local Catholic Church " Mass consists of the Liturgy of the Word followed by the Liturgy of the Eucharist. The latter liturgy is where we receive the resurrected body, blood and soul of Jesus Christ. This is how ALL Christians worshipped our Lord for over 1500 years. Your protestant denomination may have crackers and grape juice for their "Lords Supper." As it's JUST THAT, they may only do so once or twice a month, even less. The focus of their worship is on a couple of songs, a reading and a longer sermon. One won't find Christians worshipping in this way for well over 1500 years and many protestants today don't even do so (Lutherans as an example).

[@miracles_metanoia]

I agree that the non-denominational's energy is fun! The music, coffee bar, etc is like a weekly christian rock concert that hire professional musicians. The music is often set to a trance-like beat with repetitive phrases. Good news? We can praise like that 7 days a week. We can dance, sing Psalms, pray all day! But the mass is special ... it's a participation in heaven's eternal liturgy, as per comments and videos explain. When properly disposed, the soul is sanctified at a much deeper level than emotional highs.

[@manny75586]

You should find a Catholic Church that performs the Traditional Latin Mass ("TLM"). It's a truly transformative experience.

[@tonyl3762]

She's an amateur, a tourist. She needs to leave the Catholic-bashing to the pros, though they are not persuasive or consistent themselves.

[@Tudomummeum]

@Trent I really like how you ended this cordially toward Stuckey by thanking her for broaching the topics, invited her to dialogue with you in person, and never made it an ad hominem attack. That was a really good example for us wow to conduct public discourse in charity as Catholic Christians

[@canibezeroun1988]

Trent is correct, some Protestants will in fact say that you are not a Christian. I know I am losing at least one making this choice, but God will always deliver more.

[@cfG21]

what is your opinion on father Luis Toro from venezuela, who is a world wide known catholic apologist in the spanish speaking world that debates pastors using the bible and beats them in open debates? Many former catholics have returned to the church because of him?

[@isaacfletcher3067]

People like trent are why I'm not a Calvianist, People like Trent give me faith for really good interfaith dialogue.

[@vincentterraneo263]

1:55 okay this was passed over but I feel like there's a large difference between money being spent on "wars and lavish lifestyle" and "art and architecture" like fair enough with the former but I don't see the issue with the later.

[@christianjmj6460]

Reformation Day?! Celebrating the Arch-heretic Martin Luther (Luder) and his grave error?

[@atrifle8364]

There is justice that "Reformation Day" is the day before All Saints Day. Personally, I prefer to celebrate the saints, rather than a rebellion now 500 years old.

[@P-el4zd]

The Orthodox consider the Catholic Church the first Protestants.

[@atrifle8364]

@@P-el4zd - The Orthodox accepted the primacy of Peter until about 1000 AD. Schismatics will need to have it that the other guy left to justify their opinion. It does not make it true.

[@jaketerry3287]

The Catholic Church considers the Orthodox the first Protestants.

[@P-el4zd]

@@atrifle8364 No that is not true. They were in fellowship until the western went out on there own and just started adding to creeds etc., without the consent of the East. Then came Vatican I … then the epic Vatican II. 🥴

[@gc3563]

Thanks for this video, Trent! I normally enjoy Allie’s content, but on this one she sounds like another broken record of false claims against the Catholic Church and what protestants “think” mother church teaches. Hope she takes you up on your offer to sit down and have a discussion with you! God bless 🙏🏻

[@rachelpops9239]

Thanks for reviewing prominent protestants like Stuckey

[@jennyredbeans]

Allie has a lot to learn.

[@LIFETEEN48]

She was funny when she did political satire.

[@menoftheclothKTOG]

She speaks as if she is speaking for all protestants but everything she speaks about has a wide range among protestants and many would flatly deny much of what she is presenting as 'what we believe as protestants'.

[@mdg6117]

Thank you Trent for doing this! Allie is awesome, I respect her so much, but this needed to be said.

[@sptomase]

First of all why is she teaching anything?

[@Baileylewis679]

I don’t think there’s anything anywhere in the Bible saying a women can’t teach another women, only that a women cannot teach a man..

[@probaskinnyman4960]

Hey Trent, i know u probably hate out of topic suggestions or begging for video recommendations, but I thought this book should be up to your attention and would love to see your review on it. It’s called God, Salvation and the Problem of Spacetime by Emily Qureshi-Hurst. This book argues against classical theism and she also proposed a problem of God’s existence with spacetime (specifically the classical theistic God). Anyway, thats all i wanted to say. Have a good one!

[@brennatuite6506]

Looking forward to the debates.... always learn something new.

[@ellobo4211]

For the sola sciptura people where is reformation day in the Bible..

[@marcuswilliams7448]

As a Lutheran Pastor, I cringe every time I see uninformed/under-informed Protestants, so-called, talk about Luther, the Reformation, or the 95 Theses.

[@ryandersones]

I really don't understand how faith alone saves us. This fundamentally just doesn't make sense to me. I feel the Catholic position on most issues just flatly makes sense, purgatory, justification, Eucharist, baptism. I feel like the Protestant stance takes a lot more reach, sola scriptura + sola fide. Historically and common sense don't register with them.

[@TheBlinkyImp]

The Eucharist 'just makes sense'? I feel like you must not understand the Eucharist then. It's transforming food into the physical body of Jesus (but only in essence not in form) so we can re-sacrifice it and then eat it. Nothing about that makes sense.

[@atrifle8364]

@@TheBlinkyImp - That's not the Catholic teaching on the Eurachrist.

[@ryandersones]

@@TheBlinkyImp I'm talking about Jesus' teaching about the Eucharist being his true body and blood, given to us for all time, Malachi's prophecy, Melchizedeck, Early Church Father's teaching on the Eucharist. I find the Protestant point of view of "it's just a symbol" much more of a reach than actually just believing Christ and History. The belief that it actually happens is mind blowing and beyond anything my puny brain can comprehend, obviously. That's why he is God and I am not, but I am able to make sense of the it and believe it easier than the Protestant point of view.

[@Joker22593]

@@TheBlinkyImp It's not a re-sacrifice, but the exact same sacrifice of Calvary made present to us once again. God is outside of time, so he brings us the same food of the one last supper, the Lamb of God, for us to eat again and again.

[@michaelibach9063]

@@TheBlinkyImp congratulations, you just defeated a Protestant misrepresentation of Catholic teaching on the Eucharist. 🙄

[@paulnelson2101]

@TheCouncilofTrent could you do a deep dive series of videos reviewing and refutting the reformation? Or even recommend some resources

[@willwalton3743]

Hey Trent Horn fans. For someone in RCIA and discerning to become Catholic, which Trent Horn book would you recommend to read? Thanks!

[@Lerian_V]

"Why We're Catholic: Our Reasons for Faith, Hope, and Love" by Trent Horn

[@willwalton3743]

@@Lerian_V thanks!

[@Danaluni59]

Anything by Chesterton, Folton Sheen, Scott Hahn, or Ratzinger.

[@miriba8608]

The church is always open to and ready to have a reconciliation with our separated brethren. You will be welcomed home.

[@DavidOmaha1]

I keep meaning to go back to that video and suggest she interview Dr. David Anders.

[@Youtuber-ly6tx]

I used to think it fell on priests to lead this church. And that's true when it comes to doctrine. But now I see that priests make available the sacraments. They are more like doctors for the soul. There's been a gap in the church for decades. A gap of catechesis. It's great we have people like Bishop Baron and Fr. Robert Spitzer, and Archbishop Fulton Sheen. But I am so thankful for people like Trent Horn who are able to so well defend and explain the faith! And using the medium of today as well. It's taken a while but we finally have great access to great catechesis here on KZbin. Now there arises another issue: Too much content! And what does that mean? It means that no man can read an entire library. Whenever you have too much data you need to aggregate, simplify, and condense it. That was the beauty of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. But still, not enough people read it today or believe it! There are way too many catholics who think things like abortion are okay. And it might take years for them to watch the one video of Trent Horn which discusses that. Anyway, that's just one problem I see. I'm very excited for the future! I hope the next generation of catholics can be reached!

[@meredithbierbaum4801]

Thanks for making this video, Trent!

[@Johuma27]

I grew up Catholic but ended up getting Baptized in a Protestant church. After a few years, the arguments around salvation is really bringing me back to Catholicism.

[@thetorinado2697]

I strongly disagree with Allie’s politics and theology, but I appreciate what she has to say because I surround myself with many different kinds of Christians to keep myself from living in an echo chamber. Great video Trent!

[@onlylove556]

As a protestant still to this day "for now". But I feel so bad for protestants that love Jesus christ so much, but kno nothing about Catholicism. And kno nothing about historical evidence against Catholicism. Cuz when u study church history its actually against protestantism not Catholicism. But I believe it really comes down to people's bias views, and the heritage of what they're raised in growing up. As I was raised a Baptist Christian who taught us anti-catholicism teachings. And yrs of studying Catholicism I thought I knew it all. And would evangelize to Catholics to bring them to the real Jesus, as I used to say. Then I realized my biased views that I was only studying Catholicism from Protestant only. Its when I finally struggled with Matthew 16:18 and John 16:12-13; that I knew Jesus Christ left his church to go throughout all antiquity never to fail. That was his promise in Matthew 16:18.. And of course all Catholics know this vs, but we Protestants interpreted it diff. but when you're finally being intellectual honest with yourself, you're going to struggle with those vs. and it's going to make you started reading the Apostolic Church fathers for yourself, & not jus from protestants teaching us. Be fair & follow proverbs 18:13-17 & let the Catholics defend themselves. Listen to both sides always...

[@BBurch1313]

Thank you for this Trent!

[@hermeticascetic]

Part of me thinks that the "faith alone" doctrine is just what they use to justify not doing acts of kindness for others, which is something Jesus not only specifically calls us to do, but also condemns people for not doing "what you did for the least of those among you, you did to me"

[@bevious]

By her logic, Protestantism may be wrong but at least we’re free. Nice try.

[@Lerian_V]

"Just as the spirit is distinct from the body and is what gives the body life, works are distinct from faith and they are what make the faith alive."

[@snokehusk223]

It is enough to say this. If Bible was sufficient for salvation why didn't Jesus just wrote it and gave it to people. Why go as far as make priesthood through which he would gi e sacraments.

[@atrifle8364]

Agreed, but they don't care. 🙁

[@mdg6117]

Good point.

[@TheBlinkyImp]

Well Jesus didn't do either of those things. But the Bible also clearly says that it has everything you need for salvation. Your argument is pretty immature and doesn't actually address a difference between Catholicism and Protestants.

[@snokehusk223]

@@TheBlinkyImp Where in Bible does it says it has everything for salvation? Can the Bible baptise you, can the Bible give you flesh and blood of Jesus, can the Bible marry a man and woman, can the Bible forgive your sins? No it can't do any of those things. Only priests can because Jesus gave them that power for certain. If you want to say Apostoles and their disciples weren't priests than you are going against the only thing you believe in. And where does it says that Bible has everything you need for salvation. As stated by Trent sola scriptura has no backing in Bible nor in tradition nor did it ever had in history until protestants came. I am not immature but realistic and not in wrong.

[@d.h.5407]

@@TheBlinkyImp The Gospels and Acts clearly describe the church the Lord established on the Apostles, and the Lord promised divine protection of it. So some cling only to the Apostles’ teachings in writing but not the Apostles’ teaching in Christ’s Church He founded with divine protection as described in those writings. Something is missing…

[@Ceecee137-bye]

This was excellent, Trent!!

[@bos567564]

You made such an excellent point about James 2:14. The original Greek actually reads ''can _faith_ save him?'', not can ''such'' faith save him? or can ''that'' faith save him? Translators erroneously add ''such'' or ''that'', but these words are not in the Greek, and simply reflect their own theological biases. As far as I can see, only the KJV and the Douay-Rheims accurately translate this verse. The KJV reads: ''What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can _faith_ save him? The Douay ''What shall it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but hath not works? Shall _faith_ be able to save him?''

[@bos567564]

I have the Confraternity NT and I am happy to note that it also correctly translates this verse from James. Btw, I definitely recommend this translation.

[@EpoRose1]

I’ve been looking up the original Greek in many verses, and it’s… *interesting* what different translations say. For example, 2 Timothy 3:17, some translations (KJV) state, “That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” But the the Greek word is ἄρτιος, which is better translated as “adequate” or “qualified.” The difference being, you can’t really add to something that is “perfect,” but you can to something that is “adequate.”

[@darlameeks]

I agree with Arminius, who blew the Calvinists out of the water with 2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is...not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." There is no such person that God would ever predestine to damnation...period. We should all remember this intentionally when we pray that part of the Lord's Prayer in which we say "Thy Kingdom Come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven". I am not a Universalist, but I do believe that universal salvation is God's will. Because we have the good gift of free will, some of us will be saved and some won't. This doesn't mean we don't pray or strive to see everyone saved.

[@kiryu-chan577]

Calvinist like Voddie and MacArthur condemn EVERYONE including. Billy Graham, Mother Teresa and Martin Luther King. Apparently, very few will go to heaven.

[@cardboardcapeii4286]

@@kiryu-chan577 very few will enter heaven. That’s catholic teaching

[@kiryu-chan577]

@Cardboard Cape II Revelation 7:9...Behold then I saw a multitude too many to count of all tribes, people and tongues standing before the throne of the Lamb of God.

[@cardboardcapeii4286]

@@kiryu-chan577 it’s true, the multitudes of heaven are like the stars of the night, but still very few will be saved. Wide is the road to destruction and narrow is the gate to life.

[@cardboardcapeii4286]

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[@robertopacheco2997]

There are clearly hundreds, if not thousands, of different Protestant traditions. How many different just Primitivist and/or Restorationist denominations are there? Churches/Disciples of Christ, Plymouth Brethren, Adventists, etc. (I'm not even counting JWs or Mormons here!) Look at just the Plymouth Brethren. You have so-called Open Brethren, Closed Brethren, Exclusive Brethren, Raven Brethren, Taylorites. Also, Witness Lee and Watchman Nee originally come from Brethrenism, and they don't think anyone else is a true Christian! And those are just the Brethren sects that come to mind. With the exclusion of the Open Brethren, all the rest are mutually exclusive of each other and have closed communion. They also don't always agree on doctrine either (e.g., not all are hyper-Dispensational or totally "Free Grace"). Now, you can replicate this example from Brethrenism and apply it to every other Primitivist/Restorationist tradition, to every Evangelical denomination, and to all mainline Protestant churches as well. You can thus see how you'd eventually end up with many hundreds (if not thousands) of different and often exclusive Protestant traditions, even if you'd lump them together into "families". Now, all can't be the true church or be correct in their interpretation of the Bible on matters of faith and morals. So which one is it? "Well, that's easy. My church, of course," would be a very common and uncritical response. But that's just self-serving, isn't it? I ask: what good is an inerrant and infallible book if there's no one Protestant church that properly interprets it and applies it correctly in every detail? I'm asking as an earnest and open-minded "mere" Christian.