RHESUS & MEMNON DLC | A TOTAL WAR SAGA: Troy

[@banenation]

I really feel what you mean about not getting a true bronze age game, it's a horribly underrated time period and the potential it has for amazing stories hopefully will be tapped soon.

[@maeltanguy9616]

I may be wrong. But I think everybody would be glad to see a reskin of Rome 2 in the bronze age. With a dedicated campaign for the Troy and Odyssey event. When you see the work done by the modder of Empire and divide, you imagine that doing the same work for a bronze age reskin should be possible.

[@christianh4723]

@@maeltanguy9616 "Divide et Impera" is latin for "divide and rule / divide and conquer" not "empire and divide."

[@eh5732]

Nooo they made Memnon a full horde, probably the closest we will ever get to playing a Bronze Age Egyptian style faction and hes locked behind the whack-a-mole tedium of a permanent horde :( They could have done it like Bellisarius from Attila and given you the option to fight as a horde or build your own empire.

[@20storiesunder]

At least troy hordes are a bit better than warhammers

[@K1LO13]

Way better. Amazon horde is closer to where horde should be going. Wh2 latest horde factions are to easy

[@eh5732]

@@K1LO13 I dont think the horde factions are that hard to play once you get used to them, Penthislea was one of my shortest campaigns. They are just really boring to play. Memnon will be the only hero from his culture group so he really should have had more options on how to play his campaign.

[@jeagerjeager9171]

Actually beastmen horde is great now

[@MegaAngryspoon]

As a fan of the Iliad and the Trojan war in general, this game basically nailed it for me. A few small misses but that's about it.

[@DiocletianLarius]

It's a shame we couldn't get Nestor and his sons or Neoptolemus as a faction of their own (and not some random special unit). This game has so much potential to be exploited. Wether having a whole historical Bronze Age expansion adding mighty empires like Egypt or the Hittites (and their enemies and allies in the Near East), or having another Mythos approach with mythological units from the Oddyssey, the Egyptian and Canaanite mythology, maybe even naval battles with monsters like Scylla, Charybdis or the winged sirens. They really missed a good chance here

[@interstellarlapisthecccp4946]

None of those things belong in a game about Troy. They should make a Bronze Age mythological game, however, which includes Greece and the Middle-East.

[@DiocletianLarius]

@@interstellarlapisthecccp4946 bro, what? Nestor is one of the most important characters in the Iliad, he's like the wise-advisor-Gandalf of the Danaans and helped them resolve their differences more than once, specially during their constant infighting. And Neoptolemus is Achilles' son, he was the one who was inside the horse (Achilles died before the Greeks even breached the city) and he played basically the same role as his father during the rest of the war, being a monster in the battlefield and leading his myrmidons. He also killed Priam and Astyanax (Hector's son). So yeah, also a huge character. Granted, Hittites and Egypt would be a stretch, but it would be cool to have other Bronze age civs; plus Hittites kinda make sense as we have info about the era thanks to them. Like about the Assuwa confederation (who opposed the Hittites and were defeated, they probably were the same alliance who opposed the Danaans) and afterwards with treaties with Wilusa/Troy and his king Alaksandu/Alexander (who shares name with Paris). Also in the game we have Scythia's Arimaspoi and Griffins, which aren't even mentioned by Homer or other Epic/Troyan Cycle authors, so why we shouldn't have some Iron warlords and Pharaohs too? We already have Memnon's Egyptian troops.

[@seanzibonanzi64]

You can tell Memnon's army was directly inspired by the mural at Medinet Habu. As a fan of history, very cool to see they did their homework about such an unknown time period.

[@codybonds]

Can you link the mural?

[@seanzibonanzi64]

@@codybonds en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peoples if you pause at 0.37 you can see a unit of sea people from the ethnic group known as Sherden on the left.

[@menmamadrigal1233]

You know a global total war game spanning the bronze age to the medieval age would be EPIC in sheer scale

[@Rebelcommander6]

I had a similar sentiment when Troy was first announced. We could have had a Bronze Age Total War. Troy felt a little too narrowed in for a release and would have been better served as a Scenario expansion instead But then again I haven't been happy with Total War as a franchise since Shogun 2... so perhaps I'm biased

[@kingeruchannel6704]

shogun was good but 3Kingdom was much better

[@Rebelcommander6]

@@kingeruchannel6704 It was refreshing to see they chose settings where the direction to have armies revolve around a larger-than-life individual made sense... but the trend has still not sat well with me

[@lukaskovac6778]

But this is TW war about Trojan War and Iliad, not bronze age.. They probably wanted to use RPG elements from Warhammer

[@makeytgreatagain6256]

@@kingeruchannel6704 Nar it is jsut a Chinese civil war not interested. If it included Japan, Korea and Mongolia I’d buy the game in a heart beat

[@Rotarrin]

Memnon & Rhesus are cool (really -- I'm not unhappy to see them getting their own DLC), but I don't understand why they're being added when the Greek factions are already consistently considered to be underpowered compared to their Trojan counterparts. Unless the accompanying free update is going to somehow boost the Greeks in a major way, this new/final(?) DLC just means that the Trojans will have even more of an advantage in-game than they did before.

[@EJFreelancer]

It’s funny, I usually play in Mythos mode for access to the expanded divine favor effects, but other than playing through the expeditions once each to see how they worked, I haven’t actually touched the mythic monsters in Troy. I knock down their recruitment buildings when I find them in a settlement. I don’t replace them when they eventually die off. The only ones I actually put to work are Giants, because they serve a role that’s really needed and useful on the battlefield (and because, of all the mythic monsters, they’re the least mythical). None of the others pack enough punch to make up for their cost. And I’m so disappointed that this is all the expansion we’re getting for the game as a whole. I wanted… more. I wanted to play as Athens, I wanted to get more out of the East than Captain Leopard-Print, I wanted to go north of Greece, I wanted more reasons to keep playing the game and exploring a really under-loved part of history.

[@manospondylus]

I do kinda hope now that they are secretly working on a proper Bronze Age Total War and those Memnon units are just a teaser of what they‘ve been working on, kinda like with the ogre mercenaries in WH2

[@codybonds]

I've heard a rumor saying something similar. But nothing concrete enough to make a video on.

[@manospondylus]

@@codybonds Where did you hear it?

[@codybonds]

@@manospondylus Grapevine.

[@komessandtomikcoll2154]

@@codybonds I remember back in the days of shogun and emipire there was a rummor of a ww1 total war game and I think that can be a great idea for a game for a often overlooked era

[@AngryHistorian87]

They are currently working on Total War: Pharaoh

[@dnaseb9214]

OMG yes, More myth units and heroes pls. Keep em coming. This game is as great for me as Total Warhammer. Waaaaait, what do you mean by "last dlc" ? "Last means last, genius. As in no more left." - Dead Space 3

[@Guillimann]

Eltharion Voice Actor is fucking amazing

[@Kristaliorn]

Totally agree. Havent bought mythos and don't intend to. Wish they put more effort into the history side!

[@traitorfang1416]

wait. what? The last DLC? ummmm so they aren't bringing out Nestor? that seems really weird to me. He's such a big character. Also Idomeneus of Crete would be cool but I guess I get it, Idomeneus would play quite similar to Diomedes and Nestor is close to Menelaus and Odysseus so he wouldn't have a very unique starting location. But still would be nice to finish off the DLC's with Nestor since he was to said to be supposedly related to Homer, the man that bloody wrote about the very war this game is based on.

[@matthew5200]

A Minoan army would be so cool though....

[@traitorfang1416]

@@matthew5200 Yeah but the Minoans were supposedly a non warring/peaceful civilization due to little evidence being found to indicate warfare on the island of Crete during that time. The final and saddest part about that is the fact that the Minoan civilization collapsed around 1450 BC due to the arrival of the Mycenean Greeks who conquered the island. So a Crete roster would most likely be very similar to the other Greeks. They could definitely add in some cool unique units for his roster though as it would be a very aggressive, rush heavy roster.

[@matthew5200]

@@traitorfang1416 there is evidence that a large property of Mycenaean swords were actually of Minoan origin or Minoan design. Apparently the whole "Minoans were more peaceful" is a myth or inaccurate historical paradigm

[@traitorfang1416]

@@matthew5200 I can't say I've seen or read about that anywhere to be completely honest, sounds highly unlikely though since both copper and tin aren't found on Crete meaning that the only way they could get copper and tin to make bronze would be through trade. Sure they were highly advanced for their era but like I said their actually hasn't been conclusive evidence found of large scale warfare on Crete since I've read it and heard it from multiple sources and idk why all those would be fake... but I mean hey it's possible I guess. But that's besides the point. The point is that the Mycenaean Greeks conquered the island of Crete around 1450 BC and that when they Minoan civilization also went pre much extinct. Although there is evidence that many of them fled into the mountainous interior of Crete where they built small hilltop forts and villages.

[@nostradamusofgames5508]

Don't worry, we'll get them in Troy 2. Just like we'll get Three Kingdoms in TW Three Kingdoms 2! ....Gods I hate CA...

[@euromanijak]

Memnon a horde and can't settle? Well he is going to die in first 20 turns lul

[@ellagg]

Don't get me wrong, I like Warhammer, monsters and magic, but I really miss down to earth big scale historical titles. ToB and TK were great, but didn't manage to keep my attention for long.

[@princeniccolo8299]

I just hope TW Troy doesn’t close the doors to a true historical Bronze Age game one day.

[@Jarethenator]

Wait...last DLC? No mythic egypt? Seems like a missed opportunity to redirect the focus of this series unless they plan on just making a new mythic title in a similar, if not the same, setting...

[@BewegteBilderrahmen]

Still waiting for a proper sale. Troy has some interesting stuff but it feels overpriced compared to tww2's insane amount of diverse content.

[@mbgk4190]

Most of the players got it for nothing but now i need to pay ridiculous money to buy it. I don't get it

[@BewegteBilderrahmen]

@@mbgk4190 that was just done by epic to buy the favour of users. But yeah, it's supposedly a smaller scale game that is also a year old now, there are enough actual big expensive games hitting the market.

[@samuelansin8307]

So I feel there is plenty of room for historical games since it is a separate team working on them. And I am disappointed we don't get to see any Egyptian mythological stuff as I really like Egyptian mythology.

[@CrèmeTropBrûlée]

Everyone's talking about "separate teams" but as far as I'm concerned last historical game was ToB, and it was a saga game, and it got killed off by CA really quickly despite being a better game than Troy overall. The franchise is full arcade/fantasy now

[@samuelansin8307]

@@CrèmeTropBrûlée why do you feel 3k wasn't a historical game? I can at least see why some people don't consider Troy to be one, even with the now historical mode, but I have never heard anyone say 3k wasn't. Other than the people who ignored the historical mode in that game exists.

[@CrèmeTropBrûlée]

@@samuelansin8307 I actually loved 3K and imho it's the best TW ever campaign-wise. Although I see it as its own kind of game, not really historical in the sense of having single entity lords killing thousands people and healing their soldiers and soft fantasy ( like the novel )

[@samuelansin8307]

@@CrèmeTropBrûlée yeah but that was only in the romance mode, there was a historical mode you could play in without single entity Lords or abilities.

[@eh5732]

@@samuelansin8307 Its based off mainly a novel I dont consider it a historical game either. When you consider Attila is basically a standalone expansion to Rome 2 we have not had a epic scope historical title since Rome 2.

[@BFG40k]

Wouldn't be surprised if in the future they came out with their version of age of mythology. Would still have an option of myth or historical modes. Just seems like that's where the money would be and i'm sure ca amd sega wants more money

[@eldrenofthemist2492]

Can you show off Both of these DLC factions when they are available to play. I would love to see some game play Footage of these 2 factions for Troy. :D Norther Barbarians and Southern Egyptians Coming to play in the war of Troy would be Epic. I Really hope these 2 factions Get their own Pantheons of Gods to serve. Like Having Norse/Vikings Gods for the People of the North. and Egyptian gods for those from Egypt. :3

[@williamblack6912]

Total war saga The Stone ages would be an interesting concept

[@codybonds]

Neanderthal vs Homo Sapiens.

[@williamblack6912]

@@codybonds I'm still of the opinion that empire earth, the first one, was ahead of it's time and the concept should be used again...maybe not in a total war game but an age of empire clone.

[@codybonds]

That game was so much fun. I used to LAN it and build walls and towers.

[@ajithsidhu7183]

Please do.the story behind rehsus and mennemom

[@danielkovacs6672]

Wathcing the trailer I heard in my ears: "No glory only service." and "Tor Yvresse expects." LOL

[@Skusioh]

Troy is a great game but for me, sadly, it gets overshadowed by Warhammer 2. The sheer amout of features and unit / race diversity makes it much more interesting. Troy on the otehr hand has a beautiful world, a much better diplomacy system and the ressources make the macro stage much more challanging and interesting.

[@zachh6214]

I think the historical titles can make a come back but and what often turns me off of them recently is the lack of unit variety and actual content. Personally though I just hope to see a lord of the rings total war

[@rush4in]

I find it really sad that CA has not actually tried to innovate with combat in ways outside of the WH games. There is so much that can be added to purely historical games even just by tweaking/reworking WH mechanics to fit with a historical setting

[@AntiTMG]

Pike and Shot total war would be nice

[@MatthewShotAlex]

Ahhhhhh John Hopkin's beautiful beautiful voice

[@20storiesunder]

Hey narrator is Eltharion!

[@codybonds]

Holy crap. It certainly sounds like him! Nice catch.

[@longle1291]

Wait, did CA say anything about this being the last DLC? I hope not.

[@klavicus2276]

What?! Last dlc? or newest dlc? A this some wording I don’t understand as a non-native speaker or do you have some insider knowledge cause I hope to see more myth creatures even I really like those two new characters!

[@byronkooper]

Memnon eventually gets killed by the last Akadian Mathias who then becomes the Scorpion King 😉

[@ImperatorZor]

The Rhesus macaque is a monkey native to India, Central Asia and East Asia.

[@L_Monke]

Ah, I forgot about this game.

[@codybonds]

From the views on this announce, so did everyone else.

[@jamreal18]

Iodemeneous of Crete?

[@SpaceKnight105]

Wait Ethiopians traveled from Ethiopia all the way to Troy that’s a long walk 😳😳

[@HurBenny]

I’m hesitant between “the Iliade, Netflix version” and “the migrant crisis in Greece : a Bronze Age saga”.

[@AlexMarth]

White Lions of Chrace

[@DarkKing009]

Cody sound so sad at the end

[@LukasKain]

Rhesus got chicken legs

[@kolsveinnskraevolding]

The narrator sounds like Tim Curry.

[@BoltonForTheNorth]

I really need fighting animation for the game like in 3king. All this high kicking and sword fanning in the air without hitting you enemy ruins my immersion

[@marsupiallion94]

Awesome!

[@josiahadekunle1578]

Fun fact: Hercules killed memnon's older brother who was king before him.

[@codybonds]

Source on that? Terribly interesting and I'd like to use the full story.

[@porphyrienne]

Hittites when?

[@unitor699industries]

they should add egypt hittite empire and assyrian empire and they should add the bronze age collapse event they missed so many opportunities with this game but noooooooo we need more another warhammer

[@lukaskovac6778]

This is great addition.. For the people who are not familiar with Trojan War "lore" - the Troy is not "historical Bronze age" or "fantasy Age of Mythology" Total War

[@hades_deathgod9496]

Probably would have gotten an expanded map if the game wasn’t review bombed and got more attention, because there is a lot of room at the top of the map at least. Alas, shame they aren’t getting exclusive mythos stuff

[@cameronroy2129]

"Review bombed" I mean the game was pretty mixed and nobody seemed to care before that. People wanted medieval 3 more.

[@hades_deathgod9496]

@@cameronroy2129 it was review bombed because the “reviews” were people who just commented when medieval or warhammer

[@cameronroy2129]

@@hades_deathgod9496 you didn't really complete that thought. Nor did it seem like one that makes sense in the slightest. It wasn't a very good game at launch and is hindered by DLC and other issues now.

[@hades_deathgod9496]

@@cameronroy2129 what did you think I meant by review bomb? It’s implied

[@cameronroy2129]

@@hades_deathgod9496 you don't have an actual argument. It wasn't really review bombed It was implied I was calling you out for speaking bullshit as an excuse for a game that was already poor quality.

[@DerSisch]

Wait the last? I hoped so much that Nestor would get a DLC... and also that the Greece politics would go smoother, so that the greek actually stop fighting themself and start invading Troy.

[@LandofMert76]

Ha! Normally I hear ppl b!tching that it should have been Mythos the entire time, you're the first I've heard saying you wanted more history.

[@codybonds]

My original point was that they should have chosen one direction or the other from the start. But now that I've been covering nothing but Warhammer for the last year, I'm tired of talking about only fantasy creatures. Luckily three kingdoms two is coming... Oh wait it's leaning into fantasy as well.

[@LandofMert76]

@@codybonds what! Three K 2? Where can I find out more? Not surprised it's going fantasy unfortunately.

[@codybonds]

@@LandofMert76 in the same video they announced they're killing off support for the first Three Kingdoms game.

[@LandofMert76]

@@codybonds oh yeah, that

[@outrageddeer2101]

@@codybonds while I do like both I would tear into an empire 2 like a dog to meat like imagine the ambition of empire but with the tech to back it up like a full world map and France being more the 1 province

[@G1ingy]

So no Mythos unit after finally adding mythological units in the last update. And a heavily Troy-leaning additions with nothing for the Greek invaders? Yeah no, this DLC blows hard.

[@Dayz3O6]

A big shame that War3 doesnt have the smoothness of Troy engine, game3 might lag hard during massive battles.

[@chubbyninja89]

That's ridiculous dude. I can run fairly big battles on Warhammer 2, but I got a stupid message on Troy saying that it was going to be low frame rate and such, which was dumb.

[@Wyattbw09]

I ask this with zero disrespect, and little experience with the historical titles, but where does the depth come from with the historical titles? With the fantasy titles you can effectively throw in a unlimited number of wildcard factors. Flying units, monster units, magic, crazy cooking that gives weird effects, one side coming at you with magical machine guns and the other having literally fighting with a rock tied to a stick. Plus individual units can have absurd stat lines that reflect a need for a insane amount of strategic options. Troy feels a lot like it’s I got some human dudes with a sword and shield and you got some human dudes with a sword and shield. I got some horses you got some horses. The differences between Trojan human dudes and Greek human dudes have to be pretty marginal. So are historical titles about who can master micromanaging their roughly equal armies that largely mirror each other in composition and quality, or are historical titles way deeper then I am giving them credit?

[@I2dios8]

The depth of older historical titles isn't really present in Total War Troy. The nuances of each individual unit were more apparent, not to mention that terrain was a much bigger deal back then, as well as siege battles actually being multi-layered with various lines of defenses. Older Total Wars were simply a different beast, focusing on grand strategy more than the individual interactions between each unit.

[@almightykingpin6322]

Historical titles even if it’s just what I feel makes me feel like I’m changing history itself what if the prussians had marched into France and taken the entire region it opens up a whole set up of alternate history as well as it brings a highly tactical advantage as you have to actually match up units similar to warhammer but you have to have a more strategic mind because of how much close the units are

[@Riwillion]

I love fantasy and have 2400 hours in TW:WH2, but I do see how less is sometimes more, and not having access to lowkey broken shit like magic, dragon breaths etc. changes the game and allows - and sort of makes - you to focus on the smaller stuff and enjoy it more. On the lower difficulties in WH, melee infantry is totally fine, but not exactly necessary at all. On the higher difficulties, it is straight-up crap (even though I still use defensive melee infantry because I like using it and dislike cheesing). In Troy and other historical titles, there is just more focus on that stuff, albeit at a price.

[@L_Monke]

From my point of view, newer and newer games had less and less innovations besides graphics and beautiful siege maps that are terrible to play. All CA does now is cut content like Naval combat, reload animations, avatar conquest from Shogun 2, ladders out the ass, merchants, etc. And give us beautiful looking models and maps. I can forgive the animations, but never the naval combat, especially in Warhammer! Besides look at WH1, 4 emperor damned factions at start. You pay 60$ and get 4 factions, 5 if you preordered, then 12$ for every other race that should have been already in game for the price of 60$! CA has become a lair of greedy, lazy goblins.

[@circleofdao3556]

why do some art enjoyers enjoy tragic and realistic battle or crisis paintings over abstract or colourfull fantasy paintings its still just paint on a canvas ? apply that question to : "why do people choose sad/brutal historical periods with humans and cultures clashing against eachother over colorfull fantasy with evarything magical you could imagine and you got your answer pal taste cannot be explained it just is how it is.

[@TheGreatCharlie123]

people play this game?

[@TheMrYadrian]

So December belongs to Troy... what about Warhammer 3 ?

[@da_BemBem]

While I appreciate the historical guys, and I agree that Troy should have been all one way or all the other, I want a proper total war mythologies. I'd take that after total warhammer, once that project is shut down and closed. And, in a way, because of the good job the mythos dlc did of dividing the game into its now the game modes, we at least do have a proper compromise of "Atleast there IS a bronze age historical title". Unfortunate then, because mythos, while cool, doesn't deliver enough for the fantasy fans. It's not epic enough, in the same sense that the story of the Trojan war itself is epic.

[@lukaskovac6778]

If You are familiar with Trojan War "lore", You would consider the "mythological way" with monsters and creatures as non-sense. The original concept "The truth behind Myth" fits perfectly with Trojan War. But the monsters are cool ... The adition of Mythic and History mods moved Troy forward a lot

[@da_BemBem]

@@lukaskovac6778 Or, maybe I like to have fun, and I'm not a massive sourpuss

[@lukaskovac6778]

@@da_BemBem I hope You have a fun.. I just say, the Trojan War is not about mythological creatures, anyway 3 modes are perfect solution

[@max__pain]

Um... Ethiopians don't look like sub-Saharan Bantus.

[@christianschulz1443]

especially not in that context, i dont mind the color of his skin, altought thats (kinda stupid to) but when you go with this version of the story he should look like an egyptian

[@christianschulz1443]

@Joe Bennett yeah, i dont have a problem with going down that route, but then atleast do it right. The nile was a shared culture group and what was called ethopia back then isnt what is ethopia now (fun fact: it had basicially no meaning back then, other than beeing a strange far of land in the south, thats why differend authors give him differend places of origin) i just hate seeing a feathered barbarian, if what i should see is someone from the egyptian cultural circle and not like he said, a kind of bantu warrior from the late 18th century...

[@Tetsulot]

They also wouldn't look like moder ethiopian, that for sure

[@christianschulz1443]

@@PraetorianG2004 yeah i know, but i feel like we have a design descision which was made for political reasons, rather than show us a more unknown part of the nile delta civilitations

[@DiocletianLarius]

@@christianschulz1443 Wait what? "Aethiopian" was a generic ancient Greek word to refer to any black ppl, it makes sense they were, well, black. Ethiopia back then could be either identified as the south part of the Nile or even whole Sub-Saharan Africa itself depending on the author, it was the mystery land of the "burnt faces". And I don't get why you complain so much about Egypt when Memnon's roster is clearly a mix between Nubians, Egyptians and even Sea People (based on the wall painting of Medinet Habu?). If this DLC would be "Homer-ically accurate" it should have only black Ethiopians as units as I don't recall Memnon having anything to do with Egypt and the Sea people, we should be glad for the diversity at least. I don't like black Achilles either, but you people seem to complain as much as the SJW, just chill out it could be far worst than "king of Aethiopians being Aethiopian" Memnon itself was portrayed as both black and white in Greek pottery. And as he is the son of prince Tithonus of Troy (probably the same ethnic as Priam) and the goddess Eos it's kinda a mystery. We don't know what race that goddess is and he being a king from Ethiopia we could only assume the "truth behind the myth" is he being an Aethiopian/black guy. And from a mythological pov, we could say that his mother was the reason he was black, as she is the Dawn goddess, having a Sun-drenched son and all that. I don't know if he should be a "feathered barbarian" or a bantu but we also don't know much about Aethiopia during 1200-1100 b.c.e, I think this generic tribal look is better than anything. And I think the same applies to Thrace, as those masked pseudo Phrygian helmets are more commonly used during the hellenistic era, but again we don't know how an actual thracian warrior would have be in the 1200s

[@ThaStrum]

This just proves that the Total War devs are out of touch with the series beginning.

[@TheRealKiRBEY]

Finally they can stop working on this mess of a game

[@belisarian6429]

Why finally? It is fantasy total war not bogged down with licensing like warhammer, so that makes things like LOTR, Narnia, Starwars........ mods possible, and thanks to its engine, it can have spells, heroes and flying monsters.

[@cameronroy2129]

@@belisarian6429 that doesn't sound connected at all. Amd that's probably not going to happen and warhammer is way better. Also not looking forward to lord of the rings that's a weird direction

[@belisarian6429]

@@cameronroy2129 It is connected it way that if CA will develop Troy, it will also keep adding new options for modders of it. Not saying it has to be LOTR, it was just example of mod that cannot done in TW Warhammer because license it blocking it, you can pick something else: Warcraft, Game of Thrones, Elder Scrolls, Warhammer 40k (believe it or not you cant make 40k mod for TW Warhammer either), Eragon, Witcher, Dungeons&Dragons.....

[@cameronroy2129]

@@belisarian6429 Troy isn't going to have a thriving modding scene nor one to that degree. That's just the reality. It's far too late and lackluster as a game and those ideas are far too large. Even then for that amount of effort molders aren't going to make it because there's a lack of desire and that would need complete overhauls to the game. Just being fantasy isn't enough to switch to a completely different fantasy.

[@belisarian6429]

@@cameronroy2129 Well modders did it for Medieval 2 and Attila I think, complete fantasy overhauls to LOTR and Warcraft, so it is not impossible and in engine that supports spells, flying entities, single entities and other advanced things, it is much easier. It isnt about it being fantasy, it is about what engine can do. I am not saying it will happen, I am saying it can happen, Troy opens possibilities that Warhammer TW did not. Also saying that Warhammer is better and therefore making LOTR, or some other is pointless is like saying Medieval 2 TW is best historical so no point of making Rome, Attila, Shogun, Napoleon.......

[@justintoe3005]

Wait this isn't Greasus farting???? Cringe