Rhythm Game Hot Takes

[@absentcoder4552]

4-Key is just synchronized keysmashing at the highest levels.

[@noobsoda2943]

pretty much yea

[@zmor3078]

Mostly tru indeed

[@vanillakeksik]

any rhythm game

[@jpraczbr8413]

I agree and even made a comment about that, there reaches a point in user made maps where they pretty much forget about properly representing the song and just focus on making something hard. Is it impressive? Yes. Doesn't it undermine the people that can play those? Absolutely no. But i still think its not really even a rhythm game anymore at that point.

[@rasmuspennanen5823]

I mean kinda. But then again with that logic you could say that lower level maps are just really slow keysmashing. But yeah, the higher level stuff definitely ignores rhythm for the most part.

[@GammaLoop111]

I absolutely agree with you on the age hot take. I'm 33, and I'm often upset with how slow I progress when people who are much younger are increasing at a blistering rate. Starting a new rhythm game this late in life has been discouraging at times. I often quote the neuro plasticity argument in my streams as well for my lack of development. Great hot takes video, looking forward to more!

[@vanillakeksik]

you are insane

[@datdoddo]

even with your age-related disadvantages you are improving quite quickly imo

[@gianpaguiligan1358]

@@aIt-girl Players can often have different time for them to improve massively, whether it be weeks, months or several years. For example like me, i started playing Etterna by somewhere between January and February this year, and by May i could do most songs by 16-18 MSD, yet i’m 18 years old.

[@knightkazuma]

@@gianpaguiligan1358 i'm actually in the exact same situation as you lol

[@cosmo1248]

@@aIt-girl often taking a break and learning other types of games can speed up improvement in your main games

[@l.c.431]

10:32 Bubbleman does have a few videos that explain osu! basics. And DigitalHypno has an hour long video going over what he considers every skills in the game in which he made a flow chart that's actually pretty useful for any players at any levels

[@over_loadcode]

was about to link these

[@reillocb]

I love that flow chart and I don't even play osu. I'd love to see one for other games or even a generalized one for all rhythm games

[@shironium]

Both of them are respectable top players and both of their "guide" videos are great but neither of them can really reach the target audience. Most newer players that could really use the guide only know the top 5 players + cookiezi and have probably never even heard of Bubbleman or DigitalHypno. (I think) RyuK is the only one out of the top 5 players right now that actually spent time explaining something (a guide on speed if I remember). Even that was just a stream highlight and to add on top RyuK is probably the least known player in the top 5 for newer players. I'm not saying anyone else out of the top 5 has to make a guide video but it's gonna be hard to reach one out if not.

[@l.c.431]

@@shironium Newer players most likely know mrekk, whitecat and merami before learning about cookiezi. Besides, a new player that actively looks for improvement isn't gonna search specific players but rather informative videos in general. I also think that Bubbleman could easily be recognised by newer player solely for his 1st place on the big black

[@kurokun07]

@@l.c.431 here's my opinion, both digitalhypno and bubbleman videos are great don't get me wrong but it only explained the basics of the game and never really went into detail of every single thing however, recently a channel named tonehh started a series where they did a improvement guide both for players that have played for a long time and still have issues with the game basics(accuracy,stamina,finger control) and at the same time also doing the same video but for the players who are just starting out (6 digits) i'll say tonehh osu is way better in terms of how much you can learn and take from it as he also has his own set of map packs to practice on certain skillsets that he talked about in the video (unlike bubbleman and digitalhypno that only talks about the surface and didn't give any incentive) ofc, players should be able to find it themselves but for people that just starting having a map packs solely for improvement is a huge step than downloading random maps that are usually sorted by popularity and end up making them obsessed over pp instead of consistency first

[@MayyroMusic]

Taiko is a great example of how much better accuracy based scoring is. Combos only affect your score to a certain extent, and accuracy is much more important. Hell, Shin-Uchi makes accuracy the defining factor of your score, and that's why ranked match and tournaments only play with Shin-Uchi.

[@OneSaltyBruh]

Are you from the fatmagic video?

[@neil3714]

@@OneSaltyBruh lol yeah he is

[@nivdy]

combo based scoring is so dumb especially if stuff like hold notes give combo.

[@thelazywanderer_jt]

It's good *for Taiko*. That's where most people slip. Accuracy based "scoring" (in quotes cause you could may as well remove the score and just keep the accuracy percentage as the score) doesn't compliment every rhythm game and its gameplay.

[@ShroomiusTheWise]

"Easy things can be fun" is not a hot take

[@Tophius]

You'd be surprised at how many people feel differently. People saying mobile games are a joke/not actual games because they're "easy" is pretty much a meme at this point because of that mentality, and that's only one example

[@Traxl21]

@@Tophius i play mobile and pc rhythm games and from my experience, mobiles games are more fun and difficult to play. People are stupid

[@aminecrafter101]

@@Traxl21 i agree taping and spamming on a mobile is obviously harder than on a keyboard & a mouse and not just rhythm games but also other games like Minecraft

[@iamuss76]

@@Tophius Within the Sound Space community, many many players don't play lower difficulty stuff at all because it's "boring" and its upsetting to the people who do put effort into the easier maps because they just don't get played

[@kiems840]

i mean look at the dota players saying their game is better than league just because its harder

[@qwertyuiopanezd1256]

failing is a good feature because if you're not going for FC's it still gives you something to work towards. (passing a chart)

[@yoshi6100]

Yeah same sorta, but I prefer having it so that fails don't force quit the song, that way I can still at least see the rest of the song before failing on the results screen

[@nivdy]

This, but only if nofail has no effect on your score. I play with nofail sometimes just to enjoy the map, and I don't think it would take away from the experience of those who play for survival.

[@GreenDeLeBean]

I still say ctb is more of a rhythm game than gd

[@keckobo]

Yes.

[@Basuko_Smoker]

Never understood ctb, i played the shit outta the other 3 gamemodes, but ctb is so lame

[@GreenDeLeBean]

@@Basuko_Smoker I only got into ctb because I was so washed up in mania, and I enjoyed it way more than I thought I could

[@alticia]

valid statement

[@huntinghunter1001]

JSAB is more of a rhythm game than GD

[@conic2721]

"Rhythm Heaven is the best rhythm game."

[@SasukaRH]

nah

[@thomasingram1727]

Rhythm Heaven is the best rhythm game created by nintendo

[@MxelTea]

@@thomasingram1727 the Squid Beats 2 minigame from Splatoon 2 says otherwise /lh

[@alexmercer7083]

Rythm heaven is rythm hell

[@ItzJuanG]

That's not a hot take that's just facts.

[@tendrilitis]

Hot take: all rhythm games with editors need a "automatically use default note/audio offset while editing" option so we don't have to reset our offset, edit the map and set it back when finished

[@johndoe-yw7eb]

Thank you for pushing back on the "age" hot take. As someone who plays dance games at a very advanced age, my experience is that a lot of other players aren't able to relate to how so many of the necessary skills deteriorate quickly as you get older: reaction time, foot speed, balance, vision, memory, stamina, leg muscle strength, the cognitive skills to recognize rhythm patterns... telling an older person, "Keep practicing, you'll get it", while intended as encouragement, fails to recognize that older players have diminished capacity when it comes to the skills necessary to play well.

[@reillocb]

OK so I hate hit sounds like claps but love keysounds that are the actual instruments of the song. I'm a musician so keysounds lowjack my sense of performing in time with the ensemble around me. I can totally get why you wouldn't have that perspective tho, but I never really understood that about myself till now

[@jpraczbr8413]

Yeah, im a dj max player and the feeling of nailing those note perfectly is just amazing

[@l.c.431]

imo hitsounding should be optionnal. I map quite a bit on osu and hitsounding is almost always a chore, but there's some people who can do incredible things with it

[@jpraczbr8413]

@@l.c.431 yeah, it really takes a lot of work to do it but to me its definitely pays of when well made. And yes of course it should be optional for mappers to do the maps with hitsounds or without it

[@ShamrockShows]

I used to hate how djmax’s hitsounds are the actual song notes but once you start doing very well and only miss a few notes it feels so much more satisfying because you know how it sounds when you mess up

[@jpraczbr8413]

@@ShamrockShows yeah, i find his excuse pretty lame Like... Come on... most hit sounded patterns aren't even that hard compared to what he usually plays, it really is just a excuse to not adapt to it

[@skweekers3902]

Ok, this one is gonna be a doozy cuz frankly, I suck at explaining. Most Rhythm Games with level editors eventually fall on the "Expert Only" trap, where people mostly create levels oriented for high level skill play. Eventually, making a game purely oriented on EXPERT custom levels can reach to be intimidating or hard to get into for new players. I personally believe that if people would still take the time to create new charts on lower difficulties (Easy/Normal/Hard and NOT just an Expert Difficulty), it would go a long way on attracting new players on those kinds of games, making em more accessible and enjoyable for those who's skill level still isn't that high yet. Btw, I'm not saying that "Levels with just an Expert Difficulty are bad", those are fine when they are made ocassionally. I only believe they are bad and damage the attraction of new players when there is nothing but those on the "new custom songs " pages/list.

[@sintheemptyone8108]

I kinda just make the charts I play in SM 5.1, so haven't really run into that issue myself. Still, I can imagine trying to jump into a game with level editors that doesn't have options for lower difficulty levels to be a frustrating experience. The amount of difficulty I will have kinda depends on how much punishment I'm willing to take, and the amount of fun on how good I become at the art of charting the songs I want to play.

[@joao34386]

I personally find it surprisingly difficult to make a chart easier than the level I'd play at. It's a weird sort of reverse difficulty where I don't know what makes an easy chart fun or engaging, so I end up screwing up the design and making it either feel janky or dull to play. I'm not sure if that's a common impression, but it might be why some people only chart stuff exclusively around their active skill level. I guess one way to counteract that is to seek out novice players for playtesting, but it's not easy to round up a gang of playtesters.

[@THENAMEISQUICKMAN]

I see DDR boomers cite this as a massive flaw of modern ITG all the time despite ITG clearly having so many packs with full difficulties. I think it's okay for some rhythm games to know their audience and cater to their existing audience instead of always being obsessed with grabbing more and expanding.

[@sintheemptyone8108]

@@THENAMEISQUICKMAN You're not wrong, pandering to the lowest common denominator often ends up in a situation where nobody is satisfied with the end result. That plus well, Konami being Konami, is why DDR has fallen out of favor in recent years. I'm not going to sugarcoat it like those guys do. In fact, now that I can have that experience and get to choose which songs I want on top of that is why Stepmania has pretty much replaced DDR in my eyes.

[@sintheemptyone8108]

@@joao34386 I've had experiences with that when I was releasing simfiles, doesn't help that most people aren't going to leave much criticism. Thankfully, with more experience, I feel like I've improved considerably when it comes to charting. Probably the most annoying part was figuring out the correct BPMs until I decided to just use something like TapBPM to measure it.

[@Denyah_]

2:00 see, an issue with this especially with beat saber is where the actual meta over ranked songs is literally all about speed. You can be INSANELY good at accuracy, such as people like Pandita and Rocker, but barely get any PP from it due to the lack of amount it's worth due to the lack of scaling in PPV2 right now . Hopefully in future players can get rewarded more exponentially rather then what is set in stone now, as so many skillets don't get showcased, such as true acc, or midspeed.

[@ThePondermatic]

When I picked up Beatsaber, I was looking forward to all of the cool tech that was possible with crossing hands, swinging in unintuitive directions, using one hand to hit multiple consecutive notes, and so on. But disappointingly, the meta just doesn't have a lot of that at high levels.

[@Denyah_]

@@ThePondermatic Nowadays we have stuff like Weaboo Spookfest by Schwank and The Sauce by check the pan. check them out!

[@floatyoatss]

@@ThePondermatic look up aimedhades16 and schwnk maps on beat saver the ranked tech maps are kinda boring, while you won't gain any rank from their maps they're a lot more fun in my opinion

[@yonokid2271]

I’m happy you made this comment because I feel as if a lot of people in the community don’t care about the fact that all the stuff you’re forced to grind is ov sacrament

[@0bread286]

@@ThePondermatic Black magic is worth a pretty good amount of pp, and I think bassline yateru does too (idk what you consider high level)

[@FrezleFedora]

yeah I wished there's more 7k guides or something. hundreds of skilled asian players from Korea and Japan and none of them talk about how to improve...

[@antimatter3084]

It is quite easy to become better at 7 key, I got better by starting at 4 key and branching outward, so 4 to 5 to 6 to 7, this way I can add a singler part without jumping straight to 7. Also get an skin that is easy to read, preferably color coded and start with easier levels preferably 2 stars as a start.

[@yarwe8567]

they will say play more anyway lol

[@nadavvvv]

play 7k without playing 5-6k that doesnt actually give you jack shit. if you are too overwhelmed by 7k compared to your 4k lvl make it 1 day a week like "7k fridays" or some shit like that till you can play it properly then its gg from there

[@harmonicposting]

this is literally what all the top players tell me: "once you get stuck at any of these walls: - 2-3* on osu!mania 7k/8k - 7-9 on IIDX/BMS - 15-20 on o2jam add random and spam the shit out of the game there easy progression" there has been no evidence for or against this technique, so I think we should try it

[@iwaneco_139]

from personal experience and from what I've collected here's a bit of a summary of said stuff: - play consistently. daily 30min-2hr sessions as opposed to a super long session once a week and not playing other days. - if you main a lower keycount, try to dedicate certain days to just playing 7k. As opposed to slowly going up the keys, it's actually better to just jump right into 7k or dare i say, 9k. It's a lot easier to "go down" than it is to "go up" in keycount. - diversify with the notecharts you play. Just playing a limited set of charts provides less room to learn and develop muscle memory. If there's a lack of selection, random works great. The usual 7k threads i see lean more towards "play these types of charts" or "try to download a lot of packs" in combination with the first two points i listed.

[@angelhaerim]

10:55 hisokee has a very good tutorial for anyone wanting to get into the project diva series, specifically future tone or mega mix. helped me a lot when i couldn’t do 360s and how to easily read double/triple notes faster

[@mothballsva]

damn straight, one of the most incomprehensibly awesome things about hiso.

[@Froggy_Wig]

ok, so i thought about this recently since my little sister saw me playing taiko and now she has taiko on her laptop so... i think it would be a good idea to make more rythm games like rythm heaven and taiko no tatsujin, they are so cartoony that kids would get interested in them easily, expanding the rythm game comunity since probably some of those kids would try more rythm games in the future

[@sonnyjimboi737]

this is actually rlly smart

[@M4TTYN]

and FNF given all dunk on it for it's boom which is fucking dumb but yea i'm all for this it's amazing for the rhythm game scene and BPM BULLETS PER MINUTE too which are nice spins on rhythm games.

[@0bread286]

On the "Getting kicked out on failing" thing, I think that no fail in every rhythm game should be like it is in beat saber, if your health never goes under the threshold and you are on no fail, you should get not point penalty, whereas if you do go under you receive the penalty and an animation to let you know that you failed

[@Cobalt985]

ITG/Stepmania does this too (if you turn it on), it's a great system. FA in ITG does it by default.

[@user-do5de4kn1j]

Hot take: The rhythm game genre will never grow, because developers and the community are too scared to move from/change the basic formula. From a general standpoint, rhythm games are literally a half-step above sports games when it comes to creating an appeal to play newer versions/modes. Osumania! and Etterna are especially victims of this process, as they are simply ports of Dance Dance Revolution that only are only different through changes and reskins. Arguably, you gain access to things like 4k, 7k, and some additional modifications, which help spice up gameplay for players within the community. That said, from an outside view, these changes appear to simply be changes in speed and difficulty (I mean that really is what they are in the end) to the average non-rhythm game player. Things such as spinning notes may be seen as an interesting challenge to rhythm game players, but will ultimately seem like a simple sprite change to lazily increase difficulty by those outside of the community. Basically, rhythm games are only going to appeal to those that know what is going on, while boring/scaring off those who don't. On the other hand, having games like Friday Night Funkin' and Guitar Hero are good examples of how the genre can move past such a fault. The base game of Friday Night Funkin' is by no means a rhythm game that should be placed on a pedestal for it's rhythm game gameplay, but it should most certainly be viewed as a step in the right direction for attracting outside players. Having additional appeals like original characters, art, occasional story/purpose, and songs are just what rhythm games could use. While the early stages of mods (Whitty's old Ballistic) made the future seem grim, mod creators have shown genuine effort in improving their abilities to chart maps. Guitar Hero has the effect of being played on a guitar to increase its appeal, as well as a slight background story and additional visuals to give the game more depth. Heck, if rhythm games strayed from their arcade-like mindset of "I play this game to get the highest score", then the genre would most likely see some serious growth. Sorry for typing up more than the average person might want to read, but thank you to anyone that actually took the time to read this. Obviously, disagree or agree as you see fit, as I want to respond and correctly grow my opinion on the matter. I feel inclined to say that I am biased to paint Friday Night Funkin' in a positive light, as it got me back into playing Guitar Hero and trying out Etterna, so feel free to use such information in any arguments/contribution you may have.

[@watchmp100]

dude, I'm pretty sure the genre is evolving idk where did you got that idea from also FNF and Guitar Hero didn't even change the genre man, they only attract major amount of new players for the rhythm genre, a better example of rhythm games that shake things up are Parappa, Rhythm Heaven, Rhythm Doctor, Beat Saber etc.

[@kilometersperminute4113]

Your comment makes me think that you only play x-key games and not other games such as cytus/djmax technika, deemo and lanota, and that's excluding the x-key with additional inputs like maimai, sdvx and chunithm

[@userpersonwhoisahuman]

Please read my edit to this. I agree, for example rhythm games with a lot of "style" are more popular. FNF, rythym doctor,, and even osu look more unique then a lot of other rhythm games, making them look more appealing for players. Edit: ok so since this comment, I have played rhythm games for over 200 hours, such as quaver and pulsus, know how to chart songs, and can beat 15-18 difficulty maps and can safely say that I do agree with this somewhat. Attracting new players is something that rhythm games struggle with yes, but I disagree with a lot of the first paragraph. 4k, 5k, 6k 7k, 8k, 9k, Scroll Velocities, accuracy changes, modcharts, and more aren't just "artificial difficulty" and anyone who has seen an actual rhythm game play for more than 20 minutes should be able to understand that. Playing Guitar Hero with a guitar can pretty much be labeled the same way as 7k by that logic. And I didn't even mention Taiko or CtB or even original osu! in this. Sure FNF mods have mechanics, without that I wouldnt even be playing at this point, but FNF mechanics and different game modes and modifiers in osu! and quaver are not more or less unique then one another. And there are so many other rhythm games out there, Pulsus (like i mentioned earlier) Is a BROWSER rhythm game that uses your NUMPAD, which everyone understands so its very easy to get into. ADOFAI uses only 1 key and has a super unique feel to it. And even more I haven't even mentioned here. I understand they dont appeal well to outsiders, but that doesn't diminish their quality in the slightest.

[@Cherri0177]

I do kind of agree that the rhythm game genre has a lot of less room to have original ideas, but the ideas that are unique and different (if that makes sense) are unique, like Geometry dash, a rhythm platformer, and Osu!

[@user-do5de4kn1j]

@@watchmp100 That's a good point and thank you for the additional examples. I was trying to keep the examples down to games that I knew at least somewhat, which is obviously very little/poor. That aside, thanks again for providing better examples than I had.

[@window3705]

I think capped combo + accuracy is a great way of scoring because it punishes you for missing enough that it doesn't completely diminish your score, but still rewards you for hitting all notes (it also brings the other benefits of combo and accuracy scoring along with it).

[@jpraczbr8413]

I think the way dj max does it in a pretty good and fair way, it is like this. There is the fever gauge, every time you hit a note perfectly it fills the bar, when you fill the bar you can activate it to get a score multiplier (you can make the activation automatic too), that multiplier stays on during sometime, misses don't end it, if you activate it a again while the the first one is active you get a even bigger multiplier (2x, 3x, 4x, 5x). There was also the way trilogy made it. Instead of making the multiplier stay only for a period of time now there is a second bar which denotes how much fever you have, it drain a bit with every note hit and drains by A LOT with non perfect notes. So in both cases, if you are being really accurate you can still keep your multiplier even if you miss

[@window3705]

@@jpraczbr8413 that sounds interesting, ill have to try out djmax though to see how it is

[@jpraczbr8413]

@@window3705 you can try the portable one for the psp first through emulation and it actually doesn't has that much of a bad input latency through ppsspp

[@window3705]

@@jpraczbr8413 cool, ill check out that one before I decide to buy it on steam

[@jpraczbr8413]

@@window3705 heh, there is actually a bunch of psp games, 5 of them in the main series plus some alternative titles

[@floatyoatss]

Donkey Konga is objectively the best rhythm game

[@M4TTYN]

DK! bong the kong(a) lol wonder if nintendo will make another .... don't seem likely.

[@givowo]

Hot take: Pistol Whip is a rhythm game. Fight me. Also, Phigros is the best mobile rhythm game. It's 100% free and songs are unlocked by a currency you get from playing. And they have Ebimayo. And Myukke.

[@sanxia1408]

Phigros is legit the best free rhythm game for sure, I can't imagine what it would be like if it had paid content too

[@alexmercer7083]

In my opinion it’s DanceRail3 i used to play both before i started pc rythm games

[@vanillakeksik]

malody is best mobile rhythm game

[@ronanjm]

Combo scoring lol

[@jpraczbr8413]

@@alexmercer7083 did you play it on Android or iOS?

[@paydaygh9388]

When I realized I was a plate in Clone Hero, I said “screw that” and forced myself to develop as a strummy boi instead. Frank and Ghostforce are my favorite players RN because I find chords and strumming to be cooler than SMACK SMACK SMACK SMACK SLIDE SLIDE QUINT ZIIIIIIGGGGG

[@pwhqngl0evzeg7z37]

What is a "plate?"

[@jpraczbr8413]

11:14 I actually agree with that one, to me there is two types of rhythm games, the more music centric ones and the more skill based ones, the music centric ones focus more in actually represent the song in the patterns in the game (that includes hit sounding) and in my opinion more pure rhythm games, while skill based ones focus on representing certain skill sets instead of the music.

[@Cobalt985]

IIDX is really fucky for the first little bit when you start playing it but then it makes sense. I HATED the fact that it was keysounded and "off time" but now to me it's just part of the game, it's just part of the skill. GH I think does both pretty well - except for the spamming issue.

[@Cobalt985]

IIDX is really fucky for the first little bit when you start playing it but then it makes sense. I HATED the fact that it was keysounded and "off time" but now to me it's just part of the game, it's just part of the skill. GH I think does both pretty well - except for the spamming issue. Yeah. I gotta hard disagree with Etienne on this one. And on his point about it not incentivizing on time playing, well, as a new IIDX player, yes it does. It's very satisfying to hear a song being played pretty much perfectly specifically because you're hitting the notes on time - it's almost like playing an instrument.

[@cybrgtz]

in order for the rhythm game community to grow the elitism has to stop. bullying kids for playing fnf because fnf is all they know is counterproductive. instead, just show them etterna or even osu!mania.

[@yoshisarethebomb]

Yes I agree :-D

[@azael2078]

etterna has a fair share of elitism aswell, same with osu!mania, certain areas of all vsrgs are incredibly toxic

[@joshuablaster1540]

Freaking finally! I hate people crapping on FNF just because it is popular. I freaking love FNF and it showed me that after a hatred of rhythm games, I can finally appreciate for what they are. So let’s keep this growing and let’s stop this bullying.

[@Somewhere_Bagel]

We aren't bullying them. We're just telling them about the big world that is rhythm games. Its just that since 99% of fnf fans are kids that survive off bottom of the barrel clickbait youtube channels even if your nice they just dont care and call you a gatekeeper and pretend that games like stepmania and etterna are copies of fnf and that fnf is like the pinnacle of rhythm games

[@Somewhere_Bagel]

@@joshuablaster1540 i dont hate it cause its popular. The game itself is charming. Its the fanbase that is dogshit

[@testhekid]

"fnf is the only rhythm game to have shaggy energy particles presence"

[@Northgical]

9 key moment

[@testhekid]

@@Northgical indeed

[@itsjohfy]

The Shaggy mod is only baby mode for someone who plays Osu!Mania and Pump It Up

[@jbdbibbaerman8071]

@@itsjohfy not if they're a shit player

[@judehanma]

@@itsjohfy The shaggy mode is easy asf especially if you main 7 keys. People keep acting like its the hardest thing ever to happen in rhythm game history, it's sure hard to get used to 10keys but ain't the hardest thing ever.

[@reillocb]

I'm a mobile rhythm game whale but I was there for the slow release of the dlc. Thankfully some mobile rhythm games have a way to buy everything at once like voez vip pass or musedash just as planned

[@lemmofemmo]

For some reason, 4k top players seem to emerge much younger than 7k top players

[@touch_detective]

Digitalhypno’s skill set flow chart thingy is the best osu guide ever created

[@zimbabwebill2203]

I really don't think enough people are talking about WACCA. After trying it at the arcade I loved how fresh it felt to play and it is definitely one of the most unique rhythm games I've ever played. It needs more love!

[@TheDonitus]

i’m pretty sure the main reason that younger players progress faster is because they have more time on average to dedicate to playing. i really don’t think age makes you progress slower. look at all the top iidx japanese players, they’ve been around for like a decade on average.

[@CANDY-VX]

reasonable charting that goes with a song is better than spamming keyboard and using a song as metronome

[@qmulus_yt]

cold take

[@awesomeboxlord]

yeah i could not agree with the bemani statement more, they are the absolute worst in terms of accessibility if i want to even try to find an up to date machine i have to either drive for 12 hours to a different province or a 1 hour plane ride to there and even then they cannot connect to the official servers (they have to use a private server)

[@tetanusshot9660]

If hot takes had a smell, it would smell like cucumber

[@Thebrownguy98]

lol "bemani boomers". I like that

[@Bradmasta]

5:43 your take on this is spot on. I've been playing Guitar Hero/Clone Hero for a combined time of near 14 years, and I started when I was 15. The best players currently playing these games are certainly on the younger side; There are players who are doing things I could only dream of that are only a few years older than the amount of years i've been playing. Sure, i've got some decent enough FC's even for today, but with modern methods having been developed, the CH engine as a whole, hardware improvements.....I could go on, but the point is, newer/up and coming players have so much at their disposal, along with having developing brains, that us older players just...can't keep up, and that's okay! We're still around and enjoy playing, but it's a young person's game, and there's no reason to think that on the whole it won't always be that way.

[@krushrpants]

RE comments starting around 9:36 - I think this is a fair criticism for ITG, but its too general. With respect to game setup/install/interface options, I could see an argument to be made for ITG not being beginner friendly. The counter to this is that the communities (SN Discord) have entire sections dedicated for beginner questions to help people out. I could also see an argument if this comment is centered around the difficulty or learning curves associated with starting out in the FA community or Stamina community. There is some sort of expected baseline skillset for the content in these communities, this is around maybe 11's for stamina, and 7's for FA (what the heck would a "stamina 9" or an "FA 5" even look like? lol) I could see how beginner players may feel "on their own" until they can get up to these difficulties, however there are plenty of resources and packs available that cover these bases. Also probably 1/4 (?) of the content ranked on Groovestats is content in beginner ranges (9s or less). Similar comment to above, beginner players can integrate into the different discord communities pretty seamlessly at whatever difficulty they are at, or even access beginner resources outside of Discord if they so choose. I think the increasing growth rates of both the Stamina and FA communities is clear evidence we are getting better at addressing some of these issues 👍

[@SheepyChris]

I search for Stamina Nation on Google and the only things that comes up are t-shirt merchandises and a Reddit thread on the second page which has the Discord invite in the comments. The information might be easily accessible to you, however those who are out of the loop, cannot find the invite or refuse to utilize the proprietary community platform, they're out of luck.

[@alessandrot-b]

@@SheepyChris If you search Stamina Nation Discord the first result you'll get is the ddrcommunity page that has pretty much all the dance game discord links

[@xneverknowsbest]

I'm in my 30's now, and my speed has exponentially gotten worse. Also, here's a hot take. Vibro is a novelty skill at best. Sorry Sujak.

[@finadoggie]

That’s a hot take?

[@lames232]

@@finadoggie controversial opinion

[@tacohead8543]

About 4:30, there's a a bunch of very good mobile rhythm games like Phigros, that are absolutely free, and are insane bangers. Most of the mainstream rhythm games have a lot of their songs locked behind paywalls just to support their game.

[@RandomPerson027]

Could you give some recommendations please? I recently downloaded Phigros and really enjoy it. I'm really new to rhythm games so some help would be really appreciated :D

[@tacohead8543]

@@RandomPerson027 There's many good, free rhythm games, but completely free rhythm games are quite hard to find. I recommend watching tokaku's video on mobile rhythm games, she knows her stuff.

[@RandomPerson027]

@@tacohead8543 Will do. Thanks for your help!

[@alesscif]

I'm not sure I buy your case on the age point. Two facts came to mind that I would have liked to see addressed: 1) the fifteen year old from your example has far more free time to dedicate to the game than the 35 year old, on average. 2) concert pianists routinely perform incredibly challenging repertoire well into their forties and fifties. This is because even the most intense repertoire shouldn't be physically stressful: instead, a musician practices so as to play with ease. You may have come against this one with too much of a four key bias: not all key modes are as physically demanding, and not all styles of play are either. That being said, thank you for your work.

[@EtienneYT]

Rhythm games require inherently explosive movements constantly, as opposed to strength which is what I think you're arguing, which in that case, I would agree. But explosivity is very crucial to a lot of movements in rhythm games, and that alone would decrease as people age (even as old as 30-35, which is where *peak* speed decreases) I'm entertaining the 15 to 35 year old scenario based off of them playing for the same amount of time under the same circumstances. A younger person is on average much faster, develops muscle faster, and is especially developing faster through other metrics (whether it's cognitively, puberty, etc).

[@alesscif]

@@EtienneYT Thank you for the response. I have further thoughts: where are these 35 year olds with as much free time as they did at 15? We would expect the average 35 year old to have a job, possibly a family to take care of. Keeping this in mind, we would expect to see what we see even if physicality had absolutely nothing to do with it: 15 year olds spend more time on the game because they have more time to spend on the game. This means they will be over-represented as a demographic at all levels of play, but especially the top level. Important: this isn't to say physicality plays no role. But it is to say that we cannot appeal to empirical data on player age vs. performance (because there is hardly any that accounts for time spent) just like we can't appeal to data on player gender vs. performance in say chess (which is almost entirely explained by under-representation of one of the groups). On explosivity, I understand your point. It is still worth considering how the physical demands which are placed on a player should be expected to vary wildly based on keycount (as column count increases, physical demands are balanced against reading demands). So that 4key would in many cases constitute a particularly egregious case of physicality prevailing over reading.

[@EtienneYT]

@@alesscif There are a lot more physical precedents you can take from sports compared to more neurological precedents imo. The main point I'm trying to argue in the video is that a younger person will almost always have a better chance at becoming better than someone 30-35. They just simply develop faster in almost ever facet and we can even lower the age a bit more if we really want to. The outcome would still be in favor of the younger individual due to stuff like neuroplasticity, muscle development, puberty, etc. But I definitely understand where you're coming from regarding a more practical standpoint. I'm moreso just entertaining hypotheticals haha.

[@alesscif]

@@EtienneYT Entirely understandable. What I am suggesting is that, given enough data to be able to account for time spent, the gap may prove to be smaller than we think. On an unrelated note, I would like to contact you on Discord shortly to discuss a few large-scale rhythm game projects you may not be aware of. Looking forward to an interesting discussion.

[@ThePondermatic]

Etienne's take is definitely true for arrow stomp games. Those are more like sports than video games.

[@himbokoopa]

unrelated to the entire video but the shirt that you’re wearing is based af

[@ender2215]

Something you might want to add is that habib actually made an osu!phd video going in depth on how different skills are intertwined within osu and gives a good idea how to properly play osu to improve.

[@Fauzan1812]

11:52 you could say so with VSRGs, but having charted on both VSRG and osu standard mode, i could see that hitsounds are necessary in std

[@known_questionmark]

rd and notitg like visual based charts should definitely be a bit more presented imo, not only because "visual make dopamine go oooo" but because it can be done so well and i think some players dont respect it enough. We have a lot already! but seeing as fnf's "modchart mod" made everyone go insane and preach its creativity shows how much its still a small niche. being able to remove the most obvious form of reading a chart and relying on secondary visual cues (notitg being the note color, knowing which arrow is which disregarding its placement, etc) is very satisfying and a really cool way of striking a balance in gameplay

[@atsumindesu]

There should be an option to display your own favorite plays list in your profile. This way every profile can be unique in a way and not filled with the same pp maps, ultimately encouraging all kinds of unrankable but fun plays while not focusing too much on pp. Personally I'd be proud of displaying my nice HD play on that unranked map instead of my Galaxy Collapse score like everybody else.

[@xyphoes345]

Well I guess that came true for osu

[@atsumindesu]

@@xyphoes345 Yeah, but only for ranked and loved maps. Still, pretty nice!

[@TheDonitus]

the part about “bemani boomers don’t know how to market the game” was pretty weird like how tf is it anyone’s job to market the game. you’re placing way too much importance on influencers. players just play the game for fun it’s absolutely no one’s job to market the game on tiktok or whatever you think is best. it’s absolutely a failing on konamis part for not doing their own marketing in any region other than japan

[@lordgigapiller]

frosted and carneyjared I know have both made tutorials for clone hero, which is always great to see regarding tutorials in rhythm games

[@cybrgtz]

10:48 the entire osu! community: you know what we're gonna say.

[@M4TTYN]

play more i know is the bland and "annoying" response but all learn differently to sad many bought the same gear ryuk, ed, to mainly whitecat and mrekk (just don't) to fall for the marking buzz words from hyper X, i'd be shocked if any falls for stuff Razer, Asus and them say. but don't over think it to there's no skin for x mode to the some are better for reading is as it all an opinion and also preference! hope all remembeer that.

[@evellol2059]

*"play more"* fuck

[@antimatter3084]

Don't know how if this a hot take but I despise maps in Mania and standard Osu that is just an overly long stream or a insanely fast jack, these become more of a battle of attrition instead of sheer skill, and vibro shouldn't have to be required.

[@karolbomba6704]

thats why some people condemn manipulating patterns as far as mania goes, streams in osu standard actually require alot more than you think aswell, such as finger control, rhythm, flow aim, reading and such.

[@karolbomba6704]

when it comes to mania, fast jacks require insane reading and finger control, its not just vibro and it comes from a person who can vibro so much faster than do jacks.

[@tunczyk110]

eh it's fun to do these dumb streams sometimes

[@rg5226]

because vibro ISNT required, this sounds like more of a personal problem than one that the community shares

[@antimatter3084]

@@rg5226 Except it is require for a ton of the jacks the high level charts pull off to get without tanking accuracy, I'm calling out jack maps that are just a ton of jacks in succession, since I can do vibro but I don't enjoy overly spam type level

[@lester4532]

High Level rhythm game content in KZbin intimidates new players

[@DJruslan4ic]

Hey! It's not even a hot take!

[@dumteaa]

"Friday Night Funkin is objectively the most difficult rhythm game."

[@toone1562]

Whoever think this is stupid

[@jerecakes1]

i agree i can't even get the first achievement on newgrounds

[@toone1562]

@@jerecakes1 nice joke loll

[@jerecakes1]

@@toone1562i wish it was only a joke

[@toone1562]

@@jerecakes1 please tell me you're being sarcastic

[@TuucciZ]

From a practical point of view, separating ITG stamina into its own discipline makes sense. Stamina follows certain charting rules (streams as the main factor of difficulty, no crossovers or tough technical patterns) that allow players to utilize tools like minimized movement, sensitive pads and lower friction that would not be usable to the same extent in other playstyles. These stamina-exclusive tools are the foundation of a skillset that gives players access to a smooth spectrum of development across almost two dozen difficulty levels and speeds ranging from 8 to 20+ steps per second. Basically without separation, high-level stamina as we know it would not exist. Also I don't enjoy learning tech charts or grinding high scores, I just want to go fast and challenge my physical and mental endurance so that's what I do lol

[@yat_ii]

i like how u keep calm in the video instead of having over the top reactions to hot takes like some other youtubers

[@oshanot3474]

Your channel should deserve more views and subs good luck in the future dude ;)

[@manrisamanrisame]

Bemani's problem is that they're solely sticking with arcade and limit the accessibility to play a "home" version of games they owned. Though this is probably their only to gain extra income aside from arcade cabinet sales, network server access, and arcade game gachas(sound vortex has a gacha system for png and gif waifus/husbandos). Though I heard there are now pc versions of some of their arcade games but after you use up all you free credit you have to buy extra credits via paseli which a japan exclusive credit online system and only way to purchase credit is through paseli booths in arcades in japan. Though I heard you can purchase online via credit cards but it has to be a japanese issued credit card.

[@newxenesis]

Unrelated but your voice is really relaxing :-) Calm voice + rhythm game talk = my dream podcast

[@pwhqngl0evzeg7z37]

Idk whether this is hot, cold, or lukewarm but: I think sightreading is one of the coolest rhythm game related skills, and I think it should be emphasized more. Note shuffle features in CH for example facilitate this, with imperfections. As a CS sidenote, I think note shuffling algorithms are really cool (e.g. do you want to maintain pitch order? Invert it? Ignore it? Create an "automorphism" on the keys? Etc.) I imagine there could be super sick tournaments where top players compete to sightread charts that have never been seen before, and charted by veterans for the tournament in particular and in secret. Sounds like an opening for foul play but if its niche enough the motive will be low.

[@timet0rekt]

sightreading tournaments already exist look up uksrt

[@lapolicedepot8774]

I think combo scoring as a concept is really good because it makes longer maps way more intense, but I think the way it’s implemented in osu standard is kinda balls

[@azael2078]

fully disagree, if i'm fc'ing something in any vsrg even if combo scoring exists or not if it's long enough i will get nervous and basically have a heart attack

[@Lukas02_]

on a musical level, the soulless series just doesn't sound good, especially soulless 1 and 2.

[@Isaac-mk3wj]

i’d agree with that. soulless 4 is pretty cool tho

[@stllr_]

the reason they're called soulless is because they were designed to be guitar hero charts with music only being a thing to contextualize the notes lol. soulless songs for inspired charts exile did try harder to make them actually sound decent as things went along, but yeah this is kinda by design

[@YuriNator557]

the soulless series was intended to not sound good, especially during the early days with soulless and s2

[@Somewhere_Bagel]

I mean. Thats kinda the point. Although soulless 4 and 5 are kinda slapping tho ngl

[@xddddddddddddd]

it literally says soulless comeon

[@kilometersperminute4113]

Playing a mobile rhythm game is far more cheaper than grinding on an arcade RG unless you have decent experience.

[@yuvx8516]

For 4:38 glad you said that, because most people will said it's either worth or entirely scam. I personally doesn't have a problem with how monetization model of mobile rhythm game because i know exactly what content will i get. I have a habit of checking someone else's gameplay for some of the chart and decides if the chart/song is worth enough to buy. Also if you're in community it's inevitable that you'll get a gist of the dlc based on whether people like it or not.

[@haneefmuhammad3079]

I started playing osu yeah, and I find the 1 star maps super easy but 2 star maps completely impossible. And I can't even improve since its just speed.

[@mrpixiledd2489]

Honestly, I'd suggest skipping 2 star. See if any 3 stars are to your speed. The difficulty scoring system is kind of super wack especially for lower starred maps. If you need to, try throwing on mods and see if any of them work. Trial and error is the name of the game. I really hope you're able to get the most of Osu as it can be a ton of fun

[@haneefmuhammad3079]

@@mrpixiledd2489 thanks for the helpful suggestion. I have improved before to now and I am finding my strengths and weaknesses as I venture on through osu. The best I can do at the moment is roughly 3.4 stars. Some maps are either to fast or to slow or unreadable for me in the 3 star area. I am not used to the changing bpm since I come from etterna

[@mrpixiledd2489]

@@haneefmuhammad3079 ahh, well i can't help much with your speed but try putting on the relax mod (Rx) and just working on your reading. your speed is something that you can work on and improve over time, but learning to read early on will make everything else down the line that much easier. if you don't feel like learning with the relax mod, try playing some of the maps you are really comfortable on and putting on the Hidden mod (HD) as that helped me with my reading. the varying BPM is something that'll come with time, so i assure you that you'll get to a point where you can handle it with relative ease.

[@cosmo1248]

I've never understood, other than turning a given map upside down, what does hard rock do?

[@dististik]

Increases AR, SD, and life decay while making circles smaller.

[@leerye2227]

In lower star maps like 1* or 2*, it wouldn't make much of a difference, but if you try playing HR on, let's say 4*, you can see the difference like higher AR, higher CS, and more unforgiving HP and if you go use HR like in 6* or 7*, it'll be much harder to hit 300's

[@cosmo1248]

Thanks

[@zetorux]

Regarding the take about ITG: SRPG has a pretty low entry level. I would argue that it's actually very beginner friendly, and that is intentional on Ian's part. I don't really follow ITG anymore, but last I checked the difficulty went down to 11, which is right around the point where you might consider branching out from very casual play. You're not going to qualify for ECS by playing 11s, but SRPG still provides you with a ton of content with a clear path for improvement, an incentive to boost skills at various speeds, competition with your friends, a way to track your progress, etc. It's exactly what a beginner to stamina *needs* IMO Also the sharp divide between stamina and FA isn't really new. The last time they tried to mix those skills in a tournament setting was like 7 years ago. It seems like I'm one of the few people that misses that, but it is what it is.

[@EtienneYT]

11 is definitely not an entry-level difficulty for dance games imo. In the context of srpg, yes, but I guess I've also just accepted that stamina is practically its own game at this point, and I'm viewing ITG as if people play the game to play all sorts of skillsets. I think most of my views on ITG stem from me disagreeing with how it functions from a fundamental standpoint, so I guess that's where the argument practically ends right away lmao. I wish more people played the game for the vast amount of chart variety it has to offer, but I've come to realize that will probably never be the case for 99% of the players.

[@zetorux]

I didn't mean entry-level to ITG as a whole, I meant entry-level to stamina. Although that bar is still low enough to pull interest from casual players. Keep in mind that reading stream patterns is initially MUCH easier to pick up than most other skills at the same difficulty level. You'd still obviously need to build familiarity with the game before jumping into it, but like, I'm sure that someone doing 8s could very reasonably start grinding SRPG (with lower rate mods at first) and end up with a handful of 1.0x+ passes on the 11s or higher. The event lasts for a few months and there are only so many stream patterns so you got plenty of time to build up that skill. Also, this is really just speculation, but I think it's a lot fewer than 99% of players who exclusively play stamina or FA. I know that at least when I played, most of the top stamina players had really good FA (when we wanted to, haha), even if we didn't normally publish that kind of content. But in general, I think it's natural that you'd play some of the FA/tech packs, whether it's out of curiosity, or because you hit a wall and want to focus on something else, or because you like the music, or because you just don't wanna play anything hard, etc. I know when I was taking a rest day or just didn't wanna get sweaty I always played tech charts. But I've been a bit less connected to the scene over the past 4 years so idk

[@Yeroc357]

Rhythm games where you have to conform to the controller require much more skill compared to games where you make the controller conform to you

[@MAIcrosoft]

I started to play DDR as my first Bemani game in the early 2000's and I'm in my mid-30's now (my main game is pnm) and I understand exactly what you mean. Because of all the lockdowns going on I got into SDVX at home almost 2 months ago, and I can see how much Bemani has evolved. I'm one of those "Bemani boomers" as you mentioned but trying a new game really opened up my eyes. SDVX is a natural evolution of IIDX (and I also see a lot of pmn thrown in tbh) and is surely more appealing and modern for current day. I'm venturing into the 17s atm and it really start to feel each note in the lane is kicking me in the balls intensely hahaha. But I get where you coming from, I still have friends who swear by the classic Bemani they have experienced in the past. There's one friend of mine that still thinks Keyboard Mania is the best Bemani game ever 😅😅 Anyhow, as a "Bemani boomer" I really enjoy learning SDVX! I also get to experience a lot of new music along the way, and if you are a boomer like me you're gonna love the tracks for sure! I'm discovering so many kinds of different music that I really enjoy!

[@moneqtemnome6678]

cool,and he forgot Brazil, we need more rhythm games

[@conic2721]

Já vi DDRs em cidades tipo Bauru.

[@Idealismsu]

Eu amaria poder jogar SDVX/Pop’n aqui pelo Brasil, mas eu não acho que tenha alguma cabine por aqui... É uma pena

[@SheepyChris]

Foda é que o cenário brasileiro de jogos arcade quase não existe fazem décadas. Antigamente se tinha muita DDR, beatmania e GuitarFreaks em alguns lugares como a Gameworks no Rio mas pelo final dos anos 2000s vários locais simplesmente fecharam e as máquinas sumiram. O que resta hoje são as Pumps, algumas DDRs e as soluções caseiras que alguns fazem pra depois chamar a galera pra jogar. Conheço de um grupo que faz esse último, se vocês tiverem interesse tem o Discord aqui: discord.gg/QbhxJHa7hw

[@moneqtemnome6678]

@@SheepyChris wow

[@IronSteps]

@@SheepyChris Oloko mano olha quem encontro aqui, e fazendo divulgação do melhor grupo ainda hahaha salve mano

[@ConradHellman]

man I was with you until 11:30, you tried dj max, can't go back after trying that

[@l.c.431]

I'm curious what your interraction with peppy was about

[@EtienneYT]

I wish I remembered it that well, but I'm 90% sure it had to do with mania lmao. I deleted my Twitter, but maybe you can scrap around for his tweet at least.

[@toone1562]

@@EtienneYT why did you delete twitter??

[@SencerAR]

@@toone1562 Probably because, ya know... it's Twitter.

[@toone1562]

@@SencerAR ah good point

[@M4TTYN]

@@toone1562 it's a dog shit salt mine and at this point 90% of social media back and forths are toxic or pandering you can get canceled for the dumbest shit or Twitter will take your account away for no reason while many videos on said site paint a grim picture with the various things the gaming communites as a hold have a issue with if you can get what im implying with osu! is no stranger too it also.

[@TeamRAR]

A couple responses: -I've been playing more IIDX lately and I probably wouldn't mind it being keysounded if you didn't have to get a Perfect to hear the sounds correctly. Timing in this game is incredibly difficult. - To the person who wants more visual challenges, go play Groove Coaster. - ITG has been dead for 15 years and still has a community, but I would guess the median age of players has increased considerably. -While ITG stamina isn't very beginner friendly, ECFA starts at I think level 7? Even in 2007, starting a tournament at 7s just didn't happen. - The inconsistency within ITG scoring has driven me far away from the game, I still make simfiles, but I do not consider myself an ITG player anymore. I essentially quit ITG for DDR in 2016 and haven't gone back.

[@yoshi6100]

Note speed adjustment needs to be a more common thing, compared to others I read fairly slowly and it's discouraging to not be able to play a song because of barely being able to read notes coming at mach 20

[@404waffles]

and also built in lane covers!!! hate having to put a towel on my monitor like it's 2003

[@krispykreme]

I took a decade off of iidx and when I came back I was at the same level where i was before, and ive been playing a lot and am waaaay better than i was before. But I would agree that younger people learn and git gud faster.

[@M4TTYN]

eh it's not proof to this isn't nessisaraly wrong everyone is different.

[@osuBlaziken]

4:55 I felt this so much in the Miku pack in cytus 2. None of the tracks I enjoyed playing.

[@reillocb]

Been waiting for this one ~

[@otto6190]

would you ever consider doing an analysis on the first glass beach album? i really liked the somewhere city video you did for origami angel and i like that you are expanding your content

[@shirakotakamotogd]

11:15 GH3 did this well. All it did was make the music quieter. Then it would pick it back up again.

[@ChiMarky]

Long Note releases timings are a good thing

[@alessandrot-b]

Although I do agree with your baseline argument about ITG being too separated and not beginner friendly, I still think it has the highest variety of content available and the community is doing everything they can to make it appeal to everyone. I saw plenty of new people during ECFA and SRPG that I'd never ssen before start playing during those events. Things like Club Fantastic offering a plug and play easy install of stepmania with simply love also helps this temendously. Even though it is separated, most people seem to support the other aspects of the game that they might not play and plenty of people dabble in all aspects. Also regarding FA players playing a "different game", quads kinda felt like a baseline goal with a lot of top players so having smaller timing windows is something we've needed for a long time to get rid of that feeling.

[@mochaRL72]

very excited for the next one, this video was fun :)

[@kuronekogamer2065]

NotITG is just a brain teaser game.

[@ashleywhite8888]

Difficulty selection should be used for more than difficulty selection, primarily to make something feel more complete. For example, spread and index charting of equal difficulty. EDIT: Oooh, and another one. People talk about the game teaching new players, but where I think rhythm games are lacking with new players is more specifically in first impressions.

[@GamerTowerDX]

"Rhythm games need more meme charts."

[@ロケクリスティアン]

no. び was enough.

[@orangsalad44]

64 bits is just enough the others are way too much like Mario paint

[@thespooner3906]

I feel anymore meme charts are way to overused especially in rhythm games such as clone hero

[@alatreon7451]

Notelock in osu is a great mechanic Edit: this is a joke, just to clarify. I actually fucking hate note lock

[@Ingen419]

He is THE GUY for these types of stuff

[@rory3884]

this dude's voice is like .. so oddly soothing

[@auroricaura]

Honestly, playing osu messed up my view of charts and now I HAVE to hold a combo. It's really bad and I wish I started somewhere else because I'm not naturally a good combo player, I'll always choke at least one thing but my accuracy is pretty alright

[@M4TTYN]

always room for improvment you can do it.

[@yoshisarethebomb]

I understand why arcade rhythm games don't have the full version of songs, it will be a longer line to play.

[@Mao0039]

Or be like project diva arcade where it still online and rarely updated but because it mostly dead :( there never a line and they don't mind about adding full songs anymore.

[@livinlikeeli6785]

*Pump it Up enters the chat*

[@vwnt]

Fnf fans need to calm the fuck down when it comes to mods that are hard for the sake of being hard

[@Gotmilk0112]

A lot of these aren't hot takes. Pretty much every single Bemani game player wants konmai to make the games more available in the US.

[@Yeroc357]

I'm a bemani boomer but I want as many people as possible to learn about and play their games. Round 1 is bringing a lot of these games to people but to newcomers they are very intimidating (besides DDR).

[@xddddddddddddd]

you guys should unironically stop shitting on osu because like at least half of the people interested in bemani games as a whole came from osu

[@fcxxzux1]

Hot takes: 1. When you get stuck and not able to make a new high score on a chart/beatmap after hours/days of playing, just leave it there for a few days and do other things; When you get back to the chart/beatmap some time later, you'll happily find yourself break your record with only ~3 plays. 2. Japanese companies don't care the "playing rights" of players outside Japan: We always get the version that Japanese players played 0.5~1 year ago(for example, maimai Deluxe, or even longer like CHUNITHM SUPER STAR), some functions are removed(for example, maimai Deluxe again), some songs are revomed/hidden for no good reason(for example, maimai Deluxe again). 3. "When you're playing, stop thinking how your hands/fingures should move, just focus on the rhythm"

[@nadavvvv]

tell 1 to my scores from 2019 i cant break despite not even being on hiatus

[@wakeupclumsy]

Thumbnail is based he's actually right

[@3rdGate]

0:59 i dont think thoses limits are self imposed and are more meta imposed , since the difficulty system of osu forces one or two skillsets it forces players , if they want to be "good" they need to pick one of thoses two skills , so i think its more a problem on how difficulty and improvement is percived by osu ranking system, or at least i think its the root of this problem , osu devs should accept their mistake when they did their difficulty system and rework it completly

[@Relentless966]

0:19 When I play Clone Hero, I get RSI quite often :/

[@dexiedoo_octo]

As a Heaven and Doctor player only, I have no idea what most of this guy is saying, yet I can't stay away please help

[@thebaku818]

Ongeki has to get the fuck outta Japan and let me gamble- I mean play it in Mexico

[@worldsendloneliness]

You'll be lucky if it even reaches the US.

[@curiosityman3704]

As far as mobile rhythm games go, Piano Tiles 2 seems like an interesting way for someone to get interested in other rhythm games out there.

[@alastair5146]

I dont think piano tiles is a rhythm game

[@curiosityman3704]

@@alastair5146 What makes you say that?

[@alastair5146]

@@curiosityman3704 There is no 'judgement' when playing a certain song. You are encouraged to just click the black tiles as fast as possible. It challenges your eyes and fingers instead of rhythm sense. It is a music game at best i'd say

[@alastair5146]

@foodcake ?

[@evellol2059]

@@curiosityman3704 isn't perfectly synced and i hate it

[@ruefysh9576]

ngl the thing about being kicked out after failing a song makes sense in the arcades where there are other people, but if you're something in your house then it's just annoying cause the time to learn a segment or a song is just too long. It's gonna be brute force trial and error because you will fail a song, be kicked out do it again not make any progress at all because you just can't register the high speed notes within a split second and you're forced to either look it up or just continue with the easier songs also faster songs shouldn't be spam fest with no rhythm whatsoever just to make it artificially hard, like damn. Don't go mapping fast rock songs when you can't map shit

[@paulsd9255]

11:18 I think he might be coming from Guitar Hero and Rock Band, where it makes sense for the music to be affected by performance because the expert charts are 1:1 with a particular instrument whose multitrack can be silenced on miss (or modified with an effect when using Overdrive or in a solo). Simply cutting out a particular instrument on miss is sufficiently jarring to serve as a punishment for missing without being too off. It does complicate charting and is only something you can do with song masters (All of GH and most of RB) or heavy editing (especially in The Beatles Rock Band)

[@opposite342]

Get your ice cream ready, some of these gonna be extra spicy. edited: 1:50 learn hold/LN charts then thx

[@knexfan100]

To add to 11:14 Hit sounding is why I like Musynx so much... It's under the sound enhancer option with the option to turn it off. I like how you can tell exactly when and how you're off beat right away and adjust accordingly mid-song.... rather than rely on the generic clap/pop sound in stepmania and all of its variations or wait until the score screen for vague info on where you fucked up. Makes grinding out a song much easier IMO. Just wish the charting for that game didn't rely on long sections of jacks for 1/4 of the songs and wish it supports customs.... because the way the majority of the songs were charted feels like stepmania on easy mode. Also, having 2 exacts is fucking confusing (dark blue and light blue)... makes getting used to the game annoying as hell. Hit sounding (that gives away your timing via sound) is cool to have but it is jarring if you're not used to it and should have an off button.

[@bikominecraft]

Very very cold take: add more gorillaz charts to every single rythm game

[@Kubbsy]

No, that’s a pretty hot take. I hate gorillaz

[@Morphoidism]

@@Kubbsy same here