Robin DiAngelo on "White Fragility" | Amanpour and Company

[@hyzer_bombdlx4776]

This woman is nuts. Glad Matt Walsh brought her back into the light.

[@BrettBentley-qw4zl]

I thought her performance was extremely moving, I hope they release the unedited version to see the raw emotion. Her and Matthew doing the tango metaphorically speaking was jaw dropping.

[@seanbramble]

This show has a really liberal viewer base, but if you read all of the comments on this post people are largely in agreement that Diangelo is insane. A good proxy for where the Democratic Party actually stands on this nonsense

[@Flashyfinancier]

Shes not nuts whatsoever. She made a lot of money with that hustle. Shes a certified DEI hustler.

[@BrettBentley-qw4zl]

@@Flashyfinancier And I bet she doesn’t believe a word of which she preaches!

[@Flashyfinancier]

@@BrettBentley-qw4zl she strikes me as a shrewd very calculating lady. Thats what I got from her from Matt Walsh' movie.

[@leapfrog4561]

I don’t think anybody likes to be generalized. No matter what color they are

[@leapfrog4561]

Identity politics is a way of keeping us from uniting against the corruption in corporate sponsored government.

[@joebloe1401]

Abraham Lincoln, Charleston, Il. Sept. 18, 1858: "I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races.

[@iWambo]

It’s not fun to be generalized about

[@earldonavon110]

@@leapfrog4561 The power comes from having exclusive identities. There is no power in identifying as human.

[@majorevangelism]

@Reluctant Human Do you honestly believe that we are all 100% special and that our society has absolutely no impact on our way of thinking.

[@MrCelloman999]

I am a black man. I find the writings of this woman insulting, patronizing, and repulsive. I do not appreciate her attempt to "repent" while simultaneously exalting herself as my savior and stripping me of both my agency and individualism. I have a PhD in electrical engineering from a top 10 university. By and large, I did not accomplish that despite white people, but with the support and mentorship of white people. Some got in my way, and were even racist to me, but I overcame them. They don't define me. I define me. So I implore anyone watching this. Please don't internalize what Robin DeAngelo is trying to tell you. She is wrong. She will not uplift blacks. She will not "save" whites from themselves. She will only widen racial gaps, poison racial discourse, and create a paradox of white cultural subservience to blacks while simultaneously crushing them under the boot of her white savior messianic complex. You've been warned.

[@ThxGd4THC]

💯

[@JoMama123451234]

Beautifully said

[@StitchMePretty]

Thank you for your comment, you expressed it so well.

[@Monica-vc3tu]

Hear! Hear!

[@commonmancrypto1648]

We need to be friends based on this comment. Well said!

[@relaxingsounds1386]

'You're a racist, and if you deny it, you're a racist. - Kafka Trapping

[@finddeniro]

Slap Shot Line...comics are aggressive..

[@jesus85ize]

I deny it

[@Auditer2009]

"As a 'white person'..." Every. Time.

[@savagepete1983]

I know what you are getting at. I looked for info, but couldn't find any. Got any links? Her wiki bio is strangely very short.

[@jasonludwig2488]

Pretty sure she is not a fellow white.

[@KS-kw1gb]

What is white? what is black ?

[@annetraut8247]

Where's your source? I assumed the same but I haven't found confirmation.

[@Auditer2009]

It's intentionally short. The way she speaks about her 'fellow whites', her tone, her gestures and mannerisms, even just her general attitude, talking about us like she's describing some animal. Maybe I'm wrong, but given the current times and the volume of which this exact set of circumstances has occurred, I'm probably not.

[@diegomontoya8889]

"White people like to identify as individuals and don't like to be generalized." Have you met many individuals of color who love being generalized and only treated as a group of persons? I feel like that is a universal feeling.

[@luckduck5961]

This woman is a con artist who makes assumptions and presents no facts. Read John Mcwhorter instead of this lunatic medium.com/@annekathrynbailey/5-reasons-the-book-white-fragility-is-shallow-and-destructive-7d8512616aab

[@John.T.]

Exactly what I was thinking. Not even a minute in and she’s made a glaring mistake in her logic.

[@musicbus84]

She's just taking advantage of the moment to sell her book🙄🙄

[@John.T.]

GiGi And we’re just calling her out on it

[@onewildandcrazyguy9213]

Is it just me or does anybody else get the feelings she hasn't spent a lot of time around black people other than hypereducated upper middle class blacks that attend her seminars

[@InvaderG]

yeah this woman looks exactly how i thought she would.

[@Locopueblo]

She's beautiful sooo I guess you thought she'd be beautiful

[@scottbrumley3694]

Yea. Karen wrote a book.

[@ZirusAlpha]

@@Locopueblo AHAHAHA...wait are u serious let me laugh harder and also throw up a little

[@blamblam8743]

@Homo Sapien LOL

[@joshrealsolid1122]

Zirus Edge she sexy as hell

[@AntonDoesMusic]

Imagine calling someone "fragile" because they got defensive after being negatively generalized based purely on their skin color. I've never, ever used this word before, because I think it is overused, but this is gaslighting on a worldwide scale.

[@evan10307]

I think she meant when I say "white people dont like spice" and my mother calls me anti- white racist. That doesn't exist.

[@AntonDoesMusic]

@@evan10307 Uh, yeah it does. You just said a stereotype. It's a generalization. That's racist. It's literally the exact same as someone saying "Black people don't like mayonnaise." or "Black guys don't like being fathers." This was common sense to my generation. It's fucked up this has to be explained to people like you; and it never sticks.

[@Supermanfan99]

These critical race theorists are taking advantage of the fact that most people today aren’t racist. They know people don’t want to be called racist and will be too afraid to speak up against their racial Marxist BS.

[@dukheelee7904]

@@Supermanfan99 yes and they're creating actual racism where there wasn't. When the pendulum swings the other way, it won't be pretty.

[@Lucylou7070]

In psychology, it's recognized as one part of the narcisistic process.

[@tinageyer541]

Another genius who thinks they know what I think.

[@aesopdemoor7595]

HA! either meaning is funny.

[@vmartin65]

can you just listen and let it settle for a minute before becoming so defensive?

[@michellekoekemoer6379]

@@vmartin65 but why should there be this precursor judgment? Shouldn't we just judge individuals based on their own merit? What gives her the right to assume she know what someone is thinking bc their white? If the same statement was said about black ppl that would be racist. So what makes her saying this any about white ppl any less racist?

[@ayubi3642]

@@vmartin65 You don't need to let anything settle to be able to tell that this is absolute bullcrap.

[@michellekoekemoer6379]

@Kryptk Leo an expert in Scientology is still an expert in bullshit 👀👀👀

[@swigswag7295]

What is this propaganda and why is it in my recommended feed?

[@geneclemetson4779]

Because the agenda is to move the propaganda of hating white people from its base of black folks over to whites. DiAngelo is a classic self loather and wants others to join her cult.

[@quickbane1]

@Clouded Jay xD no black huh? You know who Barack Obama is? Clarence Thomas? Oprah? Do u not know how to use google, or are you only stupid when it gets you some political advantage?

[@aprilrain4296]

Oh it happens every 4 years before an election. ....

[@bpatters69]

I could barely get to 6 minutes of her bullshit.

[@bleachfanbk]

Bill Patterson agreed

[@bestill8176]

Who does she surround herself with? I do not know a single white person like this...

[@kjellvb1979]

Visit Fairfield County CT they exist... Not all white people, and much of it comes to a class aspect. That is odd how that isn't mentioned much even though MLK himself saw this as the next big hurdle to overcome. Classism and Racism are intricately linked, but we seem to have forgotten why this is so... MLK considered poverty one of the "three evils", yet we fail to make a connection too often today on how class affects our perception of race. www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/02/martin-luther-king-hungry-club-forum/552533/

[@johnnyjohnson5344]

@@kjellvb1979 buddy white theres white rich millionaires just just like there rich black ones, racism has nothing to do with classism, if that were true every white person would be rich and every black person poor.

[@hustler3of4culture3]

@@johnnyjohnson5344 the way this woman is talking has EVERYTHING to do with her class. She doesn't encounter a lot of black people growing up I wonder why? She lacks the ability to speak to people without insulting them I wonder why? She says she was raised to believe she could do whatever she wants I wonder why? As MLK said, the white liberal is the biggest hurdle. She has lived a pampered existence and writes a book with an adolescent's understanding of the topic. It's because she's an upperclass white liberal. You missed the point here

[@aliyahjoelle5366]

You've never met a defensive white person?

[@cometdove6022]

Probably the overpriced salad for lunch Karen crowd, I imagine.

[@RobertJosefs]

I just saw Matt’s movie and had to look this lady up. Omg this crap is actually real. It’s like the twilight zone

[@EpicBunty]

His entire movie was like that. Surreal to watch what those grifters were peddling and the npc's were just lapping it all up like holy. They must have had some past life guilt or something. That's the only way I can rationalise their behavior.

[@dylanwagoner9768]

Robin: You’re a racist. Vast majority of white people in 2020: No I’m not. Robin: That’s exactly what a racist would say. Vast majority of White people in 2020: Huh?

[@finchborat]

And then Robin starts gaslighting people and making them think they're somehow racist even though they weren't racist to start with.

[@MrDeathbydying]

That is the current social climate in a nushell

[@gradyvanpopering5740]

Lmao

[@mynamemylastname1835]

It a slightly more complex "I know you are, but what am I?"

[@oekmama]

If that’s not your bag, then read „White Rage“ by Dr Carol Anderson, who is a historian and deals in facts.

[@robyn3349]

Does anyone like being generalized?

[@MemoryCircle]

Rob yN: No, and it has nothing to do with racism. She is overextending her own experiences and implying them to other people...a kind of internal stereotyping. Maybe I am aware of this because my husband is Mexican-American, and this kind of thing makes him furious. Oh - has someone not told her - that even being able to discuss racism is a form of privilege?

[@Nazaba09]

memorykeeper I’m Mexican-American too and this makes me mad too. I’m careful to even mention where In Mexico I’m from because I don’t want the sombrero stereotypes or jokes. (Although that might be all Latin America when it comes to ignorant people)

[@catlynnnounoute8953]

From what I understand, of course nobody likes being generalized. But the the thing with white people is they're not used it whereas Black people and other POC have always been, especially in America.

[@arabispromise9794]

@@MemoryCircle Please, explain because I do not understand what you mean. You do not have to be a minority to understand her rhetoric. ALOT of people gaslight the struggle of minorities, if it does not apply to you, What's wrong?

[@saltynutsman1]

Catlynn Nounoute ...what a ridiculous comment. You’re doing it now, hahaha!

[@zachmorgan6982]

"Being an Individual is very precious to white people" So that's a bad thing? R you saying other ppl don't see themselves as individuals?

[@MatthewC137]

Individualism is a precious ideology for ANYONE with a brain. These GD Marxists are the biggest threat to mankind, not racism or "climate change" or any of the rest of the horseshit they peddle.

[@JustT725]

Straight out of Marxism. It isn't about individual rights, it's all about groups. It is fundamentally un american!!!

[@earldonavon110]

Individualism vs collectivism.

[@maryberryman2328]

@@MatthewC137 She apparently thinks only white people value individualism. Seems like a racist concept. She DOES seem quite fragile...

[@vmartin65]

there is a difference in comparing individualism with white people and with black people. Think of the differences in history and experience! You don't think that matters?

[@MrAwesomenes5]

this is a perfect example of unfalsifiability.

[@johnkaiysen2772]

I just imagine this woman hiding behind fake plants at Starbucks, Bass Pro Shops, and Pottery Barns wearing khakis and writing in a notepad like Jane Goodall or Dian Fossey...but instead studying white people.

[@eileenmacdougall8945]

Thumbed up while cringing.

[@jdmmg4904]

😁💟😁

[@nancycharraga]

😂🤣

[@huskyfaninmass1042]

The orangutan researcher Birute Galdikas once related a story about how an orangutan once forcibly copulated with her female cook. I wonder if Goodall or Fossey ever witnessed such an event.

[@saarah07]

Haha 😂

[@Chris-kb6vf]

Original sin, redemption, and everyone are guilty. Sounds like a CULT and witch hunt. This is going to work out (sarcasm)

[@dogsbeforedogma4402]

Exactly! Wokeness really is a cult

[@colonless7512]

At least you can be forgiven for original sin.... This you can't.

[@carairven4152]

It’s called leftism

[@dukheelee7904]

@@carairven4152 it is not leftism anymore. It's fascism.

[@danieldelao1146]

Just I imagine make these arguments with any other race I think people called that racist ....mmmmm

[@thefallofthewicked5865]

So I take it, she like a white Candice Owens

[@mathman43]

@@thefallofthewicked5865 She's the polar opposite of Candace Owens. A white Candace Owens would be like Heather MacDonald. Di Angelo thinks very lowly of black people. She goes around to corporations and begs them to hire black people, because she doesn't think blacks can make it on merit.

[@bartdoo5757]

Dr DiAngelo would have made a good prosecutor during the Salem Witch Trials. She uses Kafka traps.

[@isaacsanders9203]

She’s speaking for white people? I can’t even speak for my brother.

[@dukheelee7904]

Mrs Robin Diangelo is projecting in the same way that Freud projected. Freud thought that "every young man had wanted to have sex with their own mother at some point". NO. That was him, that was a Freud problem. He was projecting. In the same manner, DiAngelo is projecting. She is a racist lady who thinks everyone is like her. In fact, I truly believe her motive is indeed to revive racism. The USA was running out of racism, and racism is the bread and butter for some people, so here they are reviving it, trying to resuscitate it. I must say, DiAngelo is very good at pretending she is trying "to help". The lady is smart and knows what she is doing. She knows she is injecting racism back into American society. She is quite aware of it. This lady shows some sociopathic tendencies such as manipulation excellence. Watch out!

[@jonstewartsuperfan2988]

Just like she said " Individualism is very important for white people " - we think we are unique and one of a kind and social norms dont affect us but they do and she's a sociologist

[@christinelaframboises3705]

Gene, that was Freud’s theory. Nietzsche said, “There are no facts, only interpretations.”

[@jonstewartsuperfan2988]

@@christinelaframboises3705 thats nonsense . Today is Monday , that is a fact - you can have an opinion that it's Friday but you'd be wrong . Racism in society is an historical undeniable fact of life

[@christinelaframboises3705]

@@jonstewartsuperfan2988you misunderstood my comment. That is not what I said. I am Indigenous and am fully aware that racism is a fact. I was simply pointing out that a quote was being attributed to the wrong person.

[@dp9738]

Reminds me of a witch hunt. When you finally catch the witch and she denies being a witch, well that must mean she is a witch. This is very sound logic.

[@metacortexvortex2131]

That's when I learned some postmodernists philosophy. It actually says that logic and reason are tools of the white hetero patriarchy for control of everyone else. They deny the value of logic and they state it openly in their literature. I implore you to look it up. I didn't believe it until I saw w my own eyes

[@NakedThorn1999]

Metacortex Vortex what do i look up bruh,

[@joebloe1401]

RACISIM: BEING PATRIOTIC TO YOUR ANCESTRY and HERITAGE!!!! "Black Pride"-- racism at its finest!!

[@metacortexvortex2131]

@@NakedThorn1999 check out some Jordan Peterson on KZbin. Hes a philosophy professor. He talks about modern philosophy and how it shaped western thought during the enlightenment era and how that basically started science. Also check out Stephen Hicks he has some good lectures on philosophy. They do a good job of teaching how postmodernists philosophy is not scientific really and it's more like a tool to indoctrinate people. But check it out for yourself and see what you think about it. ✌

[@luxvoyager108]

we're pretty much reinventing witch hunts for the modern age and sadly, it seems like no one even recognizes it

[@Merino33]

People in the comments are calling out the bs but their are still far more likes than dislikes suspicion 100

[@WayneDome-dm8iu]

A million flies eat shit, doesn't mean its good for everyone else. The Author of the book has produced nothing in life but wants to vomit up, a compassion for you excuse. If everyone contributed as little as she has, this world would be dead.

[@blamblam8743]

@@WayneDome-dm8iu holy shit ya brutalized op damn

[@MissShembre]

PBS to Staff: Okay so this morning, you all need to go give this video a like [insert link here].

[@Supermanfan99]

It’s probably because the useful idiots who believe this nonsense can’t actually form any rational arguments to defend it

[@deewoodson3545]

They’re proving her point. The defensiveness is always an issue in these conversations

[@tombesson7293]

Thinking about the following quote encourages me to treat people better: "If you have come here to help me you are wasting your time, but if you have come here because your liberation is bound up with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson, Aboriginal educator, Brisbane, Australia

[@ccar1332]

Great quote, thank you.

[@eschwarz1003]

brilliant

[@jencorea8748]

❤️🖖

[@Madronaxyz]

I'm copying this quote. Thank you.

[@rosestewart1606]

from a Canadian, this is exactly how it is. This is why indigenous groups often block environmentalists from participating in actions. They're only there to "help"...it's completely disrespectful to assume that people who have lived on this land don't know much about taking care of it. personally I think they come just because the cameras are there.

[@peakviewmusic]

Loved the new movie. You and Matt were just magic on the screen.

[@sixteenstringjack]

This is what's known as a Kafka Trap.

[@ladanmahgoub4769]

Great article

[@bamawebdev8640]

Cute, ain't it?

[@metacortexvortex2131]

That's why the most important idea in our law ( which is not always practiced because some people are evil) is innocent until proven guilty. If you presuppose someone is guilty and tell them they have to prove their innocence, there is basically nothing they can do. Any attempt to prove innocence will be met with the statement " Well that's exactly what a guilty person would say to try and get out of punishment". The bottom line is if you accuse anyone of anything the burden of proof is on the you. But postmodernists dont like logic and statistics they see it as a tool of control.

[@MyAccountForCommenting]

Believe Women! Believe Science!

[@zachmorgan6982]

Ohhh nice one

[@diamondamongrocks]

She is pretty much saying that you have to more than just “not racist” you must ACTIVELY participate in ANTI-racism. Not just in the presence of Black people, but best practices in everyday life. White liberals absolutely need to reflect on their belief system and eliminate some the mircroagressions and passive racism from their behavior. Malcom X and MLK talked about “complacent white liberals”. The movie “Get Out” highlighter this.

[@MelissaThompson432]

She is saying that, and she's right, but my respect goes to the woman who asked, "when you do it again...do you want your correction publicly, or privately?" because it's a fact of life that we ARE going to do it again; not just because of how we were socialized, but also because, as a result of being "just a person," we don't hear how heavy footed and...Karen...we sound. I'm sure that when she mentioned her colleague's hair, she thought she was making an insider reference because she saw herself as being "one of us" in that context. It's hard for a liberal white person to understand that we will never be "one of us" in that way. We *want* to be.... We depend on the generosity of people who are willing to take us aside and explain, and give us second, and third, and five hundredth chances, even though you shouldn't have to and we know you shouldn't have to. We don't have one lifetime of ignorance to unlearn. We have a hundreds of years old culture to unlearn. And some of us are actually grateful for your latitude.

[@AjaKim]

I need to see that film. This is a wonderful piece.

[@diamondamongrocks]

melissa thompson Yes, we have been very patient about it, but it seems like it’s falling on deaf ears. 53% of white women voted for trump. What does that say? After all of the hate speech, misygony, calls for violence and racism...they STILL overwhelmingly voted for him. I completely understand what you’re taking about when you say “one of us”. There is a craving for Karen to be apart of the Black sisterhood. I have witnessed it with my own eyes. The inappropriate comments, followed by faux confusion when confronted about them. Then come the “weaponized white woman tears” to management. The sisterhood Black women created was BECAUSE we were excluded from white sisterhood. We had to create our own spaces, our own organizations. We were NEVER included. Now that these spaces are more mainstream and celebrated, there is a sense of entitlement. A sense that the spaces Black women created out of necessity, are some how a threat to Karens. I can’t tell you how many times myself and a Black coworker have been speaking privately only to have a “Karen” disrupt and demand to be included. It’s infuriating, because Karen’s space is not accessible to me. You are right, this is decades, centuries of entitlement,. Black girls are taught we have to be “strong” because the world will not be kind to us. White girls are taught they are to be protected and that the world is theirs for the taking.

[@wesgleeson]

For me it's more than eliminating own behaviours (you're right about that, and it's hard, and requires continuous self reflection but yes). For me there's also a strong moral duty to do something when other people are seemingly being racist. It doesn't matter who's doing it to whom so I"m not naming skin colours. I just can't get the image out of my head of football supporters chanting racist chants, not even subtle stuff, but nobody around them at the stadium says anything to them to stop, or ask why. Sickening. They think "why should we do something, it's not our business" when it is their business. If we do nothing, we're in the wrong.

[@briane596able]

She’s putting this into practice daily in order to get better... she’s put in a lot of work to get to this point; it’s her trade.. but white people can make a more earnest, purposeful effort to learn..

[@sydandtaytum]

she made a point in the 'dr robin diangelo discusses white fragility' video that i absolutely felt so relieved to hear a white person acknowledge which was the white underlying assumption that 'as a white person, i am the judge of whether racism occurred.' i was that at a gathering, this guy i knew waved me down as soon as i came in the door, and said 'i need you for something. i'm making the poster for this guy running for office and we just have a bunch of white people on the poster. i need to take some pictures with you. if you bring a few people and you (pointing to the black guy next to me) bring some people, then that would be perfect!' i was so taken aback, all i did was smile nervously. i actually had been working on a campaign myself and i asked if he was willing to help me on that. he immediately looked away and gave a platitude dismissal. i left the gathering and became increasingly upset about it. now, i am repeating this story to a white friend, who also works in politics, and she begins to defend the action of putting people of color on the poster even if those people don't even know/support that politician....on the premise that the politician is a democrat, of course. it's the ridiculous notion of wanting us to be seen but not actually heard. luckily the other POC woman in the room defended me and said 'BUT SHE DOESNT KNOW THE GUY.' i just watched an hour and half video on 'white fragility' to try to understand that white friend. i doubt she has ever watched a video that long to try to understand my racial experience in america. THAT is the problem. if white liberals want change and truly stand in solidarity, START WITH YOURSELF.

[@stephmatters4954]

You are heard. I am working to learn how I can change and do better. This interview and your comment help me understand that it's okay to screw up, but to own it and actually listen is what's most important. In fact, screwing up seems to be a necessary part of the work/growth process. Thank you for sharing your experience.

[@bradhamilton9038]

sydandtaytum What?? Hey I suggest remedial English and writing courses asap!! And talk about being Fragile?? D'Angelo is a joke...no one takes her seriously!!

[@danielasoares5913]

@@bradhamilton9038 you are the proof she is right

[@irejog]

The inverse of your arguement is also true. The color of your skin doesnt determine whether or not you think you just witnessed something racist occurred, but rather your own sense of morality and ability of determining the intent of the perpetrating individual. These two factors will vary from person to person, depending on their individual past experiences and moral alignment (which can be impacted by a myriad of social and psychological factors). It seems, like the dr, you have a bad habit of generalizing people's past experiences based on the color of their skin (FYI, that is in itself is racist). I can see this in the first and last paragraph of your post, where you assume that all white people think they are the judges of whether or not a set action is racist, and I see it again in your last post where you assume your "friend" has never research the expriences of people of a similar racial background as yourself. I would give you the same advise I would give everyone at this current moment in time, and that is to listen to what is being said from all sides, think about it, consider it and ask questions and find out more! If we all did this, the world would be such a better place because would would enact the change we want to see instead of enciting more toxic rhetoric

[@GadgetsGearCoffee]

I also watched that video it was enlightening as an Asian woman to understand better wtf fragile white people think

[@CRGuitarist]

Every single minute that passes I think "she can't possible say anything that's more ridiculous than the words that just came out of her mouth", but she just proves me wrong again and again.

[@f.sbikerace3921]

Lol true very based take

[@LuckyOuijaBoy17]

Awww someone popped your comfy ignorance bubble 😂 poor baby lol

[@RJ-03]

Random white person who's just walking: "Hi 😊" Robin and her supporters: "Racist!"

[@aumotion]

When her theories are put into practice, it gives the "Evergreen State College" fiasco.

[@markeggins890]

I think she may have spoken there I seem to remember in a doco about that.

[@andrewjoyner4133]

@@markeggins890 Yeah she did speak there. A ex student has a whole series of vids on the topic. His name is Benjamin Boyce. Check him out.

[@BBrunswick]

Watching Mike Nayna’s documentary I felt really uneasy. it reminded me of the sort of grip totalitarian governments have over their populations. Evergreen should have been the wake up call and not the the awful BLM movement.

[@censusgary]

Feeling guilty won’t help. Wanting to learn will help.

[@camerontaylor7471]

It’s like going through a mourning process... the person will have stages of emotional reactions...

[@carlabarrick8538]

Gary, you are absolutely right. I'm a person of color. It is also imperative that white people be allies by speaking out when witnessing discrimination and calling out other white people's racist behavior. Your white privilege allows for clout and confirmation of bad behavior.

[@censusgary]

Carla Barrick : I haven’t noticed other white people paying a lot of attention to what I say, but nonetheless, I do try to call out racism and unfairness when I see them.

[@pats8219]

@@censusgary Agree, I have tried to come at it head on and I can see their eyes glaze before me or their defenses immediately go up. Had to approach a southern coworker from a "put yourself in other shoes" when discussing the history of her proud confederate battle flag. Not sure if I got in the door but I think I opened it a crack.

[@bradhamilton9038]

@@carlabarrick8538 White privilege?? What is that? Sounds made up to me...to make you feel better! Stop[ gaslighting and get a clue!!

[@REALtigermantis]

A fool thinks he knows everything, a wise man thinks he knows nothing.

[@shecandance9500]

"Better a witty fool than a foolish wit!" Feste, Twelfth Night....By William Shakespeare

[@a.c.h.140]

REALtigermantis , I, sooo agree!

[@chriswhited]

you are exactly that..........you put up a quote and never followed up............of course because who needs to think about your greats words..................it should be self evident. and you even fucked up the quote ............A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool. William Shakespeare

[@saltynutsman1]

REALtigermantis ...it’s a little harsh calling her a fool...but, I guess you’re right.

[@joebloe1401]

Abraham Lincoln, Charleston, Il. Sept. 18, 1858: "I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races.

[@maya-amf3325]

I read this book, and I really find it reprehensible. The entire book could be summarized as such: "White people, when told they engaged in racist behavior, exhibit responses typical of defensiveness". Which is trivial. The rest of the book is a mix of her repeating this about 100 times but by naming a variety of defensive responses. To be fair, there are some accurate points made. Like when she describes how racism is perceived as a good people / bad people issue, and how this makes discussion about racism impossible because most people, who identify as "good people", have it ingrained into their mind that racists are bad people, and that therefore they cannot be racist. That people have these horrific examples of sadistic slavers and extreme racist violence in mind as what "real" racism is, and that this makes them blind to more subtle yet potent forms of racism. She basically does the same trick with "white supremacy". Note that she spends a few pages explaining how her definition of racism is very different from the colloquial definition of racism or white supremacy as understood by the vast majority of people. She uses a stipulative academic definition of racism as prejudice + power, framing white people not only as the sole possible perpetrator of racism, but also, as racist as a whole. White people, according to her definition, are racist by default. Racism, here, is a system to which all white people belong, not an individual characteristic. But then of course, will waltz between her stipulative definition and the more colloquial definition of racism depending on what example of a "racist" incident she wants to describe. This begs the question, why exactly do these activists insist on using a word that, they know, is loaded, and will be perceived as an attack on the people being addressed with it, instead of coming up with a totally new word with its own definition? What's most reprehensible, I think, is how she routinely exhibits her own racism (in the actual colloquial sense) throughout the book all while being seemingly unaware of it. Countless times she talks about how "we", white people, consider "ourselves" superior to black people. How this superiority complex is impossible to shake from us. I'm a white guy, and I have never felt inherently superior to black people. This woman can repeat it as many times as she wants, I don't relate to that claim at all. Of course, the book also repeats ad nauseam that basically, any white person who isn't on board with her claims is either lying, or simply lacking in introspection too much to realize that she's right. Which is a really dishonest and cowardly way of just shielding an argument from any criticism or challenge at all. I know I don't feel superior to black people because I do know that I feel superior (erroneously, of course) to many other people in society. But I never had this feeling towards a racial group at all. So really, she basically spends an entire book repeating she personally feels undeniably superior to black people, but please don't fault her, because hey, we white people are all like that and she's a good one working hard to fix it. Other example, she points out how everytime she got interviewed for a new position, the people doing the interview were all white, "except for some token people of color". Let's take a second to ask ourselves who here, is making the judgement that when she was interviewed by people of color, these people were in fact only token, selected because of their skin color. Who here, is making the judgement that these people did not deserve their position but got it only to fill diversity quotas? This type of slips happen repeatedly in the book. Once she tells an anecdote about going to meet a friend at a party, and upon arriving, noticing that there were two groups partying, one all black, the other all white, and she wasn't sure on the spot which group she had go join, and basically felt terrified at the idea of going with the group of black people. Again, speaking to her own racism and prejudice. I've never experienced such discomfort because I was the only white person in the room. But she keeps retreating to this "we're all like that" mantra. She constantly laments that white progressives often cannot improve on their own unseen racism because they feel like they have already learned all that there is to learn and that they are over racism. That these people are hard to connect with because they are too certain of themselves. Yet she spends the book framing any attempt of any individual at pointing out that some of her accusations towards them might be misguided as just petty people not wanting to see the one truth that she's come to know from her experience.

[@kenangedik3678]

I’m glad you actually read the book unlike most of the people who commented on here. I’m just starting it and will keep your thoughts in mind

[@dukheelee7904]

Mrs Robin Diangelo is projecting in the same way that Freud projected. Freud thought that "every young man had wanted to have sex with their own mother at some point". NO. That was him, that was a Freud problem. He was projecting. In the same manner, DiAngelo is projecting. She is a racist lady who thinks everyone is like her. In fact, I truly believe her motive is indeed to revive racism. The USA was running out of racism, and racism is the bread and butter for some people, so here they are reviving it, trying to resuscitate it. I must say, DiAngelo is very good at pretending she is trying "to help". The lady is smart and knows what she is doing. She knows she is injecting racism back into American society. She is quite aware of it. This lady shows some sociopathic tendencies such as manipulation excellence. Watch out!

[@kenangedik3678]

@@dukheelee7904 I agree. I’m on page 60 and she just acts like every white person is part of a hive mind and because she thinks a certain way, the rest of us do too. The other problem I have with the book is that she keeps redefining words that already have super negative societal context and trying to get white people to agree that they are the bearers of these words. If I said I was racist or a white supremacist in public, nobody would think about it in terms of the way that the author does. Everyone would hate me for saying stuff like that.

[@julianathejaded7051]

I think the moment people say "white people" "black people" you are creating division over colour, which feeds racism. I, like you, have NEVER ever felt superior to "black people." People are just people ffs, and until we see everyone as people and not just colours racism will exist. I honestly dont like it when im called "white girl." Wtf does my colour have to do with anything 🤦‍♀️

[@maya-amf3325]

@@kenangedik3678 brace yourself. You're still in the part that makes some reasonable points. Come back here and tell me what you think once you're weeding through the last 30 pages. What you're noticing about how she redefines words is very important in my opinion. Because it's definitely a tactic that is being used right now in the mainstream media by woke journalists and activists. In my estimation, they're deliberately reusing words that have an extreme, hateful meaning, because they want to use the punch that is packed by these terms in the minds of the global audience, but the criteria they implicitly apply to determine whether the term applies to someone is totally different from what this global audience understands. So they'll say that someone in particular is a rabid "white supremacist". And most people who trust the media, don't dig further, and don't particularly know the person being labeled, will just associate the name to what they understand "white supremacist" means. That is, some explicit KKK guy, someone who actively promotes the idea that white people are inherently, by nature, somehow, superior to people of other races, or at least expresses some clear sentiment of racial solidarity (and exclusivity). As they hear that more and more, the name becomes familiar to them and all they know is that this person is not to be bothered with or listened to. Whatever he says, don't pay attention to it. What they don't know is that what got that person labeled as such is very likely a completely mild comment about a particular policy regarding immigration, law enforcement, or the methods of demonstration of BLM, or maybe an opposition to a quotas policy. The comment may have been ill informed, but overall, chances are that the position expressed by that person was something that most people (or at least a really significant part of the people hearing the labeling) would actually have agreed with, and would've never considered as a sign that someone is a white supremacist. And people like Di Angelo know that. They know they're manipulating the language to obfuscate the fact that they're just weaponizing this type of accusations against their political adversaries.

[@jasonludwig2488]

"When Did You Last Beat Your Wife?" the psychoanalysis.

[@SubtleStair]

Trick question with a trick answer implied: "You will always be beating your wife and I will always ask you why you are doing it."

[@Dharmanarchist]

“How did you get interested in this work ?” “ I found out it pays $ 7,000 an hour.” Lmaoooo😂😂

[@Jennifer-wr9si]

"You didn't choose your socialisation." *This* is, for me, the way in, past defensiveness, because it applies to everyone, black, white, and every shade between. The thinking is flawed, not the human being.

[@luckduck5961]

This woman is a con artist who makes assumptions and presents no facts. Read John Mcwhorter instead of this lunatic medium.com/@annekathrynbailey/5-reasons-the-book-white-fragility-is-shallow-and-destructive-7d8512616aab

[@Nickademas1]

T Clark ignorance

[@michaelclausen1135]

But where does human thinking come from? I would say flawed thinking comes from a flawed being. If we were all androgynous, homogeneous angels, maybe there'd be hope for peace. But as biological beings, born with difference and instinct for that difference, what hope is there?

[@RK-um9tu]

@@luckduck5961 Read it and did not see anything of substance. Not sure why you recommended this?

[@jiminstinyhands7776]

@@RK-um9tu cuz he's conservative and butthurt that a white woman is actually trying dismantle racism

[@maspingon]

This woman should be prosecuted for real hate speech.

[@DemonDog444]

As uncomfortable and "off" as she described feeling when she sat down with Matt Walsh for over 2 hours, she still took the $15,000, yes that's right, $15,000.

[@bethoughtprovoking]

Narcissists always project their insecurities and failings on others-it helps ease the guilt.

[@mahikamihan]

"Individualism is a really precious ideology for white people, and we do not like to be generalized about."

[@globohobo]

This is the root cause of a lot of anti depressant prescriptions

[@ShezMarvalouz]

Stephane Malabar 💀

[@michaelotis223]

THAT part!!

[@amychasen7817]

Individualism is not some trite ideology held by white people. It's the bedrock of our understanding of universal human rights.

[@globohobo]

@@amychasen7817 It can be viewed as progressed but we are part of something bigger than ourselves, excessive individualism leads to depression, feeling of loneliness and other mental health issues. We're always part of something bigger than ourselves, I thank my parents for giving me birth and understand that I wouldn't be there without them, and my grandparents and so on. I believe individuals happiness could do with being of service to others, this is a key part to feel rewarded and being included

[@mandarkastronomonov2962]

Who’s here after she got busted for plagiarism? 😂

[@bertrandkurtrussell2873]

Classic Kafka trap. Circular reasoning keeps you in once you accept the premise. It's just a clever trick.

[@dukheelee7904]

Mrs Robin Diangelo is projecting in the same way that Freud projected. Freud thought that "every young man had wanted to have sex with their own mother at some point". NO. That was him, that was a Freud problem. He was projecting. In the same manner, DiAngelo is projecting. She is a racist lady who thinks everyone is like her. In fact, I truly believe her motive is indeed to revive racism. The USA was running out of racism, and racism is the bread and butter for some people, so here they are reviving it, trying to resuscitate it. I must say, DiAngelo is very good at pretending she is trying "to help". The lady is smart and knows what she is doing. She knows she is injecting racism back into American society. She is quite aware of it. This lady shows some sociopathic tendencies such as manipulation excellence. Watch out!

[@DJ-qr1wk]

@@dukheelee7904 copy and paste much?

[@josh_final]

How does this interview have so many likes? The brainwashing is real

[@MrBannystar]

But look at the comments? By all means call me a conspiracy theorist, but the GIllette ad showed that KZbin are undoubtedly manipulating the figures. Wouldn't be surprised if the same is happening here.

[@nihilistcentraluk442]

@Zod 23 the comment section reflects public opinion.

[@shrekharvey4175]

Likebots

[@alternatereality7301]

@@nihilistcentraluk442 yeah i bet they saw that earlier - video is disliked to hell and they need to slightly manilulate it

[@rickwyant]

Because they don't show dislikes anymore. I suppose that's because they don't like how many people disagree.

[@kellistrong4244]

I just watched the movie in which this woman person starred. It's an anti-racist movie called "Am I Racist?". Dr. DiAngelo deserves an Academy Award for her part in this movie. If you support Dr. DiAngelo, please see it to show your support!

[@kristensaenz4224]

😂🙌

[@nunayoorbidnez2119]

Diangelo is a scammer. Only a scammer says "You're guilty. And your denial of guilt is proof that you're guilty."

[@geraldm4728]

I wish I could give you a thousand thumbs up for this comment.

[@jacobnelson6042]

Yep, Kafka trap fallacy

[@edwinamendelssohn5129]

I know, all defendants would be guilty by her logic."

[@Merino33]

I love generalizing an entire group of people to have the same trait what does that sound like hmmmm racism

[@finchborat]

In the case of DiAngelo and other white liberals, it's self-hate.

[@nihilistcentraluk442]

It is what marxists do with class but people now do with race Guess who taught them these destructive anti democratic ideas after the 1970s?

[@harperslee2788]

Racism is discrimination towards a minority group. Since white is a majority we would consider this more bigotous than racist.

[@williamfryer4528]

@Harperslee that's not what racism is at all, racism is thinking one race is superior or inferior based on ethnicity, it's nothing to do with power and even if it was the idea that only white peopow have power is total nonsense because there are many non whites who are CEOs, managers, chiefs and leaders/high up in politics also the fact that there is nothing stopping a black person f Tom doing anything a white person does because there are civil rights laws that protect people from discrimination Also in global context white people are the !minority because there are more black and brown people than white people on the planet Als o anyone can be racist their ethnicity doesn't matter the idea that a black person can't be racist towards a white person is just laughable nonsense, racism is a part of bigotry and prejudice

[@dukheelee7904]

Mrs Robin Diangelo is projecting in the same way that Nietzsche projected. Nietzsche thought that "every young man had wanted to have sex with their own mother at some point". NO. That was him, that was a Nietzsche problem. He was projecting. In the same manner, DiAngelo is projecting. She is a racist lady who thinks everyone is like her. In fact, I truly believe her motive is indeed to revive racism. The USA was running out of racism, and racism is the bread and butter for some people, so here they are reviving it, trying to resuscitate it. I must say, DiAngelo is very good at pretending she is trying "to help". The lady is smart and knows what she is doing. She knows she is injecting racism back into American society. She is quite aware of it. This lady shows some sociopathic tendencies such as manipulation excellence. Watch out!

[@fionatanzer5270]

To this day I cringe when I remember naive comments I have made to black people whom I was eager to befriend and then felt hurt when they cut the budding friendship without explanation. It took years of reflection and observation to realise that what I considered normal remarks about neutral topics were most likely seen as hurtful and insensitive digs. Im extremely sorry about this. I wonder if perhaps white people are at a loss on how to proceed. I would love to live in a normalised world where people rejoice in each other's differences and see the beauty of belonging to a beautiful and uniquely diverse species.

[@seanswinton6242]

Fiona Tanzer I understand. It's tough. I believe the best way of dealing with the differences between people is to start as young as possible. A child's mind is molded in the home and in the school. Especially school. If you as a parent do what's right at home that can be altered or changed by teachers and others away from home. I think parents need to be more proactive with kids. Talk with them regularly. Ask the hard life questions and walk them through it.

[@Bxconnect]

Logic Police You keep making it clear that you’re a bored troll. I bet women don’t really dig u and you don’t earn much. News flash-that’s all your fault.

[@brachiator1]

@Logic Police Yawn. You are almost impossible to offend, and yet you are so offensive. Go figure.

@Logic Police Colored??? Sounds like you're still living in the 60s, man.

[@thebeardedlady76]

@Fiona Tanzer I am a black American woman, now in my 40s. All I have ever wanted to hear from white people was their raw truth, especially when they’ve thought about these issues critically, like you clearly have. I start with the premise that we’ve all been affected by the attitudes in the cultures we live in. So if we live in the western world especially (and really, most of the rest of the world), then we’ve probably internalized racism and white supremacy in some way. So when you’re able to admit that, it doesn’t make me see you as less than or judge you negatively. On the contrary, I am SO happy to hear you admit it and actually want to talk about race matters frankly. It endears me to you. I don’t speak for all black people, but I imagine I’m not alone. I admire your vulnerability and our friendship can go to a deeper level. When you don’t acknowledge it, that’s when I have a hard time continuing that friendship. I don’t expect perfection around this from white people, just a willingness to open up and talk about it. I don’t think you have to be so afraid of getting it ‘right.’

[@aswithinsowithout]

What comment could possibly address the ridiculousness of this?!

[@getit9066]

Professional Race Hustler Robin Diangelo Net Worth: $22 million. Her personal contribution towards "reparations": $30 Way to go, Ben!!!

[@discoknox]

No one wants to be generalized and called fragile. This would include all folks.

[@LawOfWar]

The main push back is that the vast majority of white people still struggle and many in abject poverty. The far left seem to blame race for everything but the biggest privilidges in life is actually being intelligent and being raised in a good family. Unfortunately only race and sexuality seems to be on the far lefts radar . Its culture not race causing these issues. You see the uneducated and unloved rioting in the streets on both the left and the right 😢.

[@SavagesInMyTown]

this must be the way it is in the corporate world (where robin runs her grifter "seminars") because in the real world it isnt like this

[@joebloe1401]

Abraham Lincoln, Charleston, Il. Sept. 18, 1858: "I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races.

[@edwinamendelssohn5129]

@@joebloe1401 Is Abe still president?

[@bcaominh]

Her: “You suck!!”; Me: “Whah?? ...looking confused”; Her: “See, you have some serious ego issues” ; Me: “Projection much?”

[@GeorgeSweet]

The fact that she is generalizing an entire race speaks volumes on the duplicity of her message.

[@cheril.6674]

"Would you like your feedback publicly or privately?" Damn! I will be using that one.

[@mikefranklin70]

I suggest not using it on me. Cause your feed back will be seriously public!

[@cloo7525]

Sociology major.... now, I know why the logic doesn't make sense.

[@dukheelee7904]

Mrs Robin Diangelo is projecting in the same way that Nietzsche projected. Nietzsche thought that "every young man had wanted to have sex with their own mother at some point". NO. That was him, that was a Nietzsche problem. He was projecting. In the same manner, DiAngelo is projecting. She is a racist lady who thinks everyone is like her. In fact, I truly believe her motive is indeed to revive racism. The USA was running out of racism, and racism is the bread and butter for some people, so here they are reviving it, trying to resuscitate it. I must say, DiAngelo is very good at pretending she is trying "to help". The lady is smart and knows what she is doing. She knows she is injecting racism back into American society. She is quite aware of it. This lady shows some sociopathic tendencies such as manipulation excellence. Watch out!

[@ronaldjoseph4425]

I'm a Native American who grew up in a small Northern location where "we" were the only minorities of any significant number to the majority races of the town and it seems like my family had this unspoken WAR with the major race of the town. We had nothing and what little we did have we were welcomed to spend at certain business but not welcomed in many other business. Now, years later, these kids my age move away for one reason or another and they take that "baggage" with them.... They don't heal, they don't try to move on and many of them continue to be resentful of others and lash out because they feel that their entitlements are taken away from them... 50 years later, my tribe is still treated the same and to this day NEVER given the chance to be a part of a community that it survived in for so long while it crumbles around them. 50 years!!! No change at all. My hometown was my protector, a place where I thought I could return to feel safe and protected BUT it was and still is a VERY RACIST entity that will never go away

[@anotherperspective6247]

She now stands accused of plagiarizing her doctoral thesis.

[@AP-rs5wz]

I'm not surprised that she started as some corny corporate diversity instructor.

[@signore1043]

I was 12 and lived in the projects with a lot of other poor whites and I read Richard Wright's "Native Son" and was so enraged by what he suffered that I could not believe what had happened to him. It remains my favorite book because I identified with the boy in the book even though I wasn't black. It was the injustice that stirred me to despise those people who wanted to deny other people what they themselves had. I still feel that way, be it Black, Hindi, Asian or whatever. This lady is silly. She is trying to advance her idea of blame culture for her own notoriety. I agree with MrCelloman999 that she is insulting and repulsive as well as divisive - which seems to be a current cultural trend.

[@lindalucas6318]

They continue their 'fight for equality' rants because they make a living as Professors of Professional Victimhood, so far it's working 😂

[@quinnfletcher3906]

The fact that everyone in the comments section is calling her out for her bullshit gives me faith in humanity.

[@brianburke1152]

This lady has done unspeakable damage to the country.

[@valerieannrumpf4151]

When you make people feel guilty, it can actually shut down the conversation.

[@SharonM623]

Sounds like a personal problem

[@wlhc5579]

That’s the fragility

[@luckduck5961]

thats basically the book in a nutshell

[@kookiecat79]

WLH C which applies to people of all ethnicities and colour. But guilt is something personal and if you don’t yourself feel guilty for whatever, it won’t bother you.

[@thedarkmasterthedarkmaster]

@@wlhc5579 You set up things to be impossible

[@dandy3082]

Who wants to see this woman spend one month living in the hood? 🙋‍♂️

[@AIenSmithee]

She is like the teacher that tries to relate to the kids by saying “radical” who then was made aware of how cringe that is, and assumes no teachers can be cool and relate to kids because she’s a dork.

[@Flashyfinancier]

I do

[@shawnthesheep6832]

“Why was that not a deterrent to you..” WOW - exactly what I’ve been trying to verbalize for years...

[@LexValidus]

Because, if anything, it was an incentive.

[@chapelway]

his opponent wasnt very likeable...

[@luckduck5961]

the sheep LOL Thank God you didn't use this book in your courses. medium.com/@annekathrynbailey/5-reasons-the-book-white-fragility-is-shallow-and-destructive-7d8512616aab?fbclid=IwAR2foWWajmtorUjWKG_36oZLZZB56_PrHyldIlUaRXF8zMKdF3UEMQXxcTg

[@robnealon1809]

"I'm a vegetarian, how can I be racist?" Em... what?

[@jimdandy9671]

This woman is the worst kind of racist trying to convince all blacks that they are victims, trying to destroy their spirit and fill them with hate. She seems really pleased with herself!

[@edwinlucianofrias1643]

I think the worse kind of racist is the violent one. Shooting up a black church beats a lady who wrote a book any day.

[@nashgammill7383]

Are you black?

[@edwinlucianofrias1643]

Diving Duck Shooting up a church is worse than beating up old people. It’s positively bizarre that these things need to be explained.

[@DonLewis9274]

@@edwinlucianofrias1643 The real crime is black on black crime.

[@Smilomaniac]

DiAngelo, the Goebbels of our time.

Until they get to know me, I always feel that all people are more prejudiced towards me than I am towards them. I always have to work for people's acceptance and respect but I rarely feel like they are working for my acceptance and respect.

[@jaydamalley3398]

The active word is "feel". *Are* they more prejudiced towards you, or do you simply *feel* that way? In case of the latter, then your feelings are inconsequential.

[@rawgtp]

Nicolle Herr She could at least offer an example of an interaction that would justify why she feels that way. Because right now it just sounds like she fragile 😅

[@jaydamalley3398]

@Nicolle Herr No, I will "invalidate people's feelings", when they're unsubstantiated.

[@kookiecat79]

Could be low self-esteem. I used to have terrible skin. It has now improved but how I felt then influences how I think others still see me. But really no one except me cares. Too busy with their own concerns.

[@johnnywheatbread4385]

@@jaydamalley3398 my wife has the same problem as Mary Ann but worse. She sometimes imagines that people she passes, for example, in a grocery store (with whom she has no interaction) are silently judging her. She can tell, she says, by the way they look at her. I have to remind her that she's not telepathic and that people just don't care that much. I tell her that she's ascribing motive without evidence and that any negative thoughts she superimposes onto that person originated in her brain. If you want to know what someone is thinking, ask. If you think the person will lie, I'd ask why you would associate with him/her, and if you're forced into the association why would you care about the opinion of someone you don't even trust? I genuinely hope those last two sentences might help anyone struggling with this problem.

[@robmoore8393]

Oh I get it, so she's saying that it's okay for her to generalize ....but not anybody else. That makes a lot of sense. She should request a tuition refund from her ivy league school

[@moofoogee]

Not me. I have a friend whose friend knows someone that listens to rap.

[@delrosario7453]

😂

[@lovinliverpool]

You get a pass my friend

Rap is shit. Heavy metal is superior.

[@AIenSmithee]

I don’t have any black friends and I don’t listen to rap=racist. I have black friends and listen to rap=racist. Stupid world view. Most black and white people dont care about your personal feelings of guilt.

[@anthonymeade7345]

My condolences to the person who listens to rap.

[@bedfordnhdonkey]

WHAT GROUP LIKES TO BE GENERALIZED ABOUT?????????

[@discoknox]

Generalizing people is offensive.

[@therealbs2000]

Yeah, white people. Just take the L instead of defensively perpetuating your white "fairness"

[@downsjmmyjones101]

Tons of people love being generalised. "Americans love apple pie, baseball, and trucks."

[@itsedavan]

@Narc 1820 Makes sense, because if a white person talks about race to any person other than a white person, they're automatically slapped (or risk get) around their ears with white privilege. "You're a white person, how could you understand?". Talk about a generalization. Purely on the account of being white too, I might add. As if all white folks live like kings and queens, cushioned in their marvellous white privilege. It's insulting and just as categorizing. It's stupid too, as if having a certain skin colour entitles you to all the misery in the world. It's a sort of framing that doesn't really help solve the issue at hand. In a funny way it's an attempt at moral domination. It may be cathartic, but it's also profoundly racist. How do you want to come to a conclusion if the other's arguments are automatically 'white privilege'?

[@itsedavan]

@Narc 1820 "The white elite created whiteness as a privileged social group in order to divide and conquer the disadvantaged of every color which were the majority." So what then with the majority of white people who aren't privileged? See where I want to get at? As a social justice movement to pick 'whiteness' as your adversary, might be problematic somewhere down the line. It pitches one group identity against another, and it does it in away that is non-debatable: skin colour. You're condemned on sight. Irony.

[@kalderify]

"the fact that I generalize about white people sets off the defensiveness" No shit

[@cityhawk]

In order to better understand people who come from different backgrounds than us, you have to be an active listener. Instead of being prepared to respond after every remark, listening to someone else’s point of view, helps us become better people. You stop treating people with superficial differences differently, better understand someone’s worldview, and see how you can be a better person. Instead of using the word “colorblind”, you say, “I know that this person doesn't look like me, but I don’t see any good reason as to why I should treat that person differently.” Treat everyone the way you’d want to be treated.

[@fionatanzer5270]

Treating everyone as you would like to be treated is the best and most respectful way to act with everyone. And regarding people as you would like to be regarded is the better attitude. People become triggered across the spectrum when they believe that they are being disrespected and discounted and seen as unlovable humans. Humility seems to be discouraged in individualist white Americans (and in many other countries) but being able to listen to and approach people with humility benefits everyone. In this video, when Robin DiAngelo began to speak I was tempted to roll my eyes and navigate away from the video, but decided in that moment to rather listen 1st and judge later, and she made some profound statements.

[@mariag.8242]

Maybe treat everyone the way they want to be treated. What we as white people want is not going to be the same as what Black, Indigenous, Latinx and every group of people identifying as “not white cis men”. I think we ask and listen

[@cityhawk]

Fiona Tanzer I think you hit onto part of the problem. Before we let the person make their point, we already judge them. Instead of being quick to judge, listen to what someone has to say. You don’t have to be friends, you don’t even have to get along, just be a better listener. Once we do that, a lot of our prejudices go out the window. Those who choose to be prejudice, tend to be worse listeners. For whatever reason, we don’t value listening, but we value our own opinions more.

[@kellerrobert80]

Stop preaching.

[@foxbodyblues6709]

Unless you already know the person is a corporate gravy train grifter collection $30,000/speech

[@MohamedSamyAlRabbani]

this aged badly ... Thank you Matt Walsh

[@ash-kk7il]

She is one of the most patronising people I have ever listened to. Big yikes

[@blove142]

yes, she seethes smug arrogance.

[@dr5765]

"individualism is a really precious ideology for white people" -- um, it's a foundational principle for our country and why we've been such a beacon of hope and freedom for the rest of the world.

[@di3486]

She lost me at “I am vegetarian” clicking off😂

[@numinousnihil3804]

She said it as a joke AT HER OWN EXPENSE. Shows how much you pay attention.

[@russbg1827]

That cracked me up

[@vinnygothika7510]

Wtf I'm a vegan I think she's a moron, that has nothing to do with it

[@kellyja8]

1:12 "I'm a vegetarian, how could I be a racist?" Adolf Hitler practiced vegetarianism. The statement is also a non sequitur, which is representative of her work. We see that Prof. DiAngelo understands neither history nor logic.

[@FernandoVazquez-ro1nw]

It is called sarcasm

[@dukheelee7904]

Hitler wasn't vegan. That is a fallacy. But even if that was the case, most psychopaths in history liked to torture, crush, and murder animals, and eat them, so your point is illogical.

[@mirandac8712]

Sounds like it's not racism she's against but the smug self-righteousness of the suburban middle-class. She was another super-good-looking San Francisco feminist who waltzed through graduate school in Seattle and was welcomed into a tenure professorship at a middling east coast liberal arts university. She's been spending her life preaching "multiculturalism" (whatever that is) and getting nothing but devoted applause. When she finally happened to notice the utter despair of inner city life in the States, she thinks that, once again, she's the one with the magical answer in the form of bogus, new-age, vaguely christian gobbledygook.

[@MemoryCircle]

miranda c: Yes, it was surprising to hear her state that she had this grand awakening to her ‘racism’ sometime in her thirties. She also indicated that her upbringing was quite insular. Does she deal with the experience of mixed-race individuals in her book, or is she still perceiving reality as white and ‘other’?

[@etamlous]

miranda c Academics spend a lifetime in their echo-chambers with less accountability for their work than police officers while Middle Class spends a lifetime of fortune paying for their kids to attend these ever expensive universities where these types of academics indoctrinate students with pseudo theories that don’t address real world and don’t offer real solutions for anything other than to stroke egos and self patting in academic circles.

[@rkgrant]

I agree that D'Angelo seems to have had an easy time of it professionally. She is pretty, which is an asset for both men and women. She's almost 70 now, and began teaching and published her first book in her 50s. Her PHD committee was headed by a black nationalist of the type one now finds in many universities. Her book and seminars arrived at just the right time when white guilt was rife among liberal whites who had little to really feel guilty about (The Trump people don't attend her workshops) But In the USA, the suburban middle-class represents a huge chunk of the population. Maybe upwards of a 100 million people. I am talking about people who live in their own home in a residential area and who have jobs that require either post-secondary education or some form of specialized technical training. Do these 100 million generally exude a strong sense of smug, self-righteousness? Or are they mostly pre-occupied with keeping their jobs in a volatile ever-changing economy, paying their taxes, avoiding illness, minding their kids...They are probably proud, maybe justifiably so, but are they, in general, smugly self-righteous?

[@mirandac8712]

​@@rkgrant Well, to D'Angelo, they are. They aren't to me or you. To me they're just as you describe, they're "unexceptional" -- I wouldn't use that term, although it shouldn't be pejorative -- American suburbanites. I love Baudelaire, and I really dislike the way the snide anti-bourgeoisie haughtiness has filtered down from Europe to people like DiAngelo who first of all are in no position to _épater les bourgeois_ because they're not gifted. And secondly, Rimbaud and Baudelaire, besides being bona fide literary geniuses, were extremely sympathetic human beings. But I get DiAngelo. She's really lashing out at what she used to be, or at least hang out with, i.e. the more obnoxiously self-involved, complacent "ladies who lunch" who couldn't care less about their fellow Americans living in poverty. The problem is that American society has rewarded people like DiAngelo so lavishly that she truly believes she can solve the problem of poverty if "more people would just listen." We know how poverty is conquered. It's through an exceedingly complex alignment of many different forces. It's only been conquered once, and it's only ever been conquered in one way. Both those things are Protestant Europe. That's it. I'm sorry, but anybody who's studied history (less and less of us, as time goes by) is dumbstruck by this fact. There have obviously been plenty of other times in history when "normal" people could lead perfectly happy lives -- I love Mughal India, I love Periclean Athens, I love the Islamic Golden Age of Harun, I love the Florentina Camarata and b/c of my interests in music and artsy bullshit, I conceivably could have had an okay life, if I were a man or a woman, during those times, although even I would have died of cancer at 29 (although that would have happened anywhere in the world more than 25 years ago, and even in this one I almost didn't make it seven different times, and even now I'm barely surviving). But for DiAngelo and her ilk, none of those eras would have been remotely okay in terms of what she thinks of as god-given, self-evident rights and freedoms, like the way she can basically do whatever she wants, dress however she wants, drive around in an SUV, go to college, work at a bank, go out to restaurants and eat anything conceivable from anywhere in the world, buy anything they want, go to movies -- much less things have things like sanitation and plumbing and water: none of this has any relation to any other society in human history. People like DiAngelo do not think of themselves as privileged. They think of themselves as _normal_ and they think the extraordinary triumph of the European middle class is _normal_ and just "how things are supposed to be," where everybody can go around and do everything they want (which for them means consume anything they want whenever they want it -- not to get marxist here, and not that I'm against it, but I have to admit that's what it is). They almost think that it's the natural world. (This is a profound tenet of the Abrahamic religions, the Garden of Eden; you don't have this idea in Asia.) This is the way things should be. Because it's what they're used to, and because they have so little experience of any other kind of lifestyle; and because they're so poorly educated, especially in history (I mean not them in particular, but all of America -- basically the American/Prussian educational system teaches math, and if you're not smart enough, it teaches you 'the humanities' which is basically nothing, especially after 1980 and _especially_ after 2015), it just seems so obvious to them that this is what reality is. (A hilarious thing I always think about on this note is the Chomsky Foucault debate, where Foucault cannot believe that _even Chomsky_ can't imagine somebody might not want to live this way.) If it is natural, if it's "already there," then the only reason it's not completely widespread and available to everyone must be because not everyone is "allowed access" to it. They leave out everything having to do with what a pain in the arse it is to _construct_ the whole thing in the first place, and how much of that is pure luck, how much is the result of rare individual genius, how much is from socially regulative (i.e. "enforced") norms, how much is geographical circumstance, etc. Like for Africa (not that the history of Africa necessarily has anything to do with the history of African-American society), geography has played an unbelievably crucial role: there are almost no inlets, gulfs, or bays, and a lot of the coastline is really shallow, so it was hard for ships to get in, and there's just not a lot of it to begin with (Africa's coastline is smaller than Europe's). Even today, almost half the human population lives on the coast. So as the industrial revolution began, and as international trade started developing, access to Africa was a true challenge. Of course, if you explained this to DiAngelo, she would readily accept it, and say that it shouldn't have been _that much_ of a challenge -- in other words (and this is their true ideology, I think, it's what I call Starwarzism) if international trade had just _tried harder_ then the entire world would be able to live the bourgeoise consumer life. If Anakin hadn't wanted Padme for himself, then evil -- the Dark Father -- wouldn't have been introduced into the world. If international trade hadn't been so selfish, then the entire world would be able to live the consumer life, and everybody would be happy. It's like when the author Jonathan Franzen ended his author talk at Google by telling them that they're all selfish and that the problem with the world is that people _like them_ are just working for "profit." It is mindbending, to see this, but it's right here on youtube: the bestselling author in English fiction telling a bunch of coders that the problem with the world is they're working for profit. This is what a child thinks, understandably. The parents are the only authority standing between the infant and what the infant wants. Doesn't the infant have the right to happiness? Is it a surprise, then, that Biden wins votes by forgiving student loans? That climate activism was ignited by an eight year old rebelling against her father? That Disney is the largest entertainment company in the world? DiAngelo's infamous description of her own father as a "super-old son of a b*tch" was excised from her wikipedia entry. Personally I think feminism has an enormous amount to answer for. I honestly think the coincidence between the rise of the New Left and the entry of women into the workforce is not correlative. Women have shown no interest in construction, manufacturing, utilities and transport, chemistry, or extraction. They show interest in exactly what they showed interest in _before_ the so-called feminist revolution: the domestic domains of children, care, and hospitality (health care, education, retail, human resources, admin, and publishing). In other words, at least so far, there has been no feminist revolution in anything besides perceived prestige, and I think there's been a consequent risk to civilization building -- this stuff with DiAngelo is an example of it. She's extremely powerful. It's logical for someone like her to believe that progress is linked to the domains of care and self-esteem and "freedom" because these are the only domains she's aware of. But to reduce society to racial essentialism is a profound error, and it doesn't appear to be disproven by the rise of Asia. It's ironic that her philosophy dovetails with racism and sexism, the two things the New Left is ostensibly against. But then, I've been reading a lot of Naipaul recently, so who knows.

[@ianstrong7140]

Who else is here because they saw the Matt Walsh trailer? 👇🏻

[@keithforbes2326]

virtue signaling olympics

[@tomtimelord7876]

Virtue signaling is a good thing. Change my mind.

[@dogsdomain8458]

Not all instances of white people acknowledging their faults is virtue signaling.

[@zxyatiywariii8]

@@tomtimelord7876 It's ONLY good when it's an authentic reflection of who they are. But I know WAY too many people who virtue signal in public, just so they can act very un-virtuous in private. I don't take anyone's public virtue signalling seriously. I watch what people DO, how they BEHAVE, the results of their ACTIONS -- not what they SAY. Talking good is bad when it's a cheap excuse for doing good.

[@dogsdomain8458]

@Dominus Vobiscum how is her supporting the protests virtue signaling? And how does that have anything to do with the mugging? No one is saying there aren't black people who are racist against white people. Racism between groups is usually mutually reinforcing.

[@CourageToB]

@@tomtimelord7876 a good thing is to actually develop virtue rather than acting as if one had any while actually discriminating people under the camouflage of goodwill

[@DrBeeSpeaks]

These buzz words are nonsense. They do nothing but continue to divide people. All human beings have fragility because all humans beings find it difficult to deal with the fact that all human beings sometimes judge. The end. By the way you don’t have to consider yourself fragile to make a difference. 🌹

[@kookiecat79]

DrBeeSpeaks 💕

[@robinly]

I thought she would be fat with blue hair. I was wrong.

[@africanqueenmo]

Wow! Just wow! She's said it as it is in all its gory. I applaud her. It takes courage and deep reflection.

[@johnholland1308]

Wow, I must get this book. The language that she is using is new and refreshing and challenging.

[@TheRealSk8rcruz]

The book is for real and easy to understand. I read it last month. I hope you do.

[@BayouBarbie504]

It's so accurate I didn't think a white woman wrote it.

[@malvolio01]

Err... no, it's not.

[@LaterHolmes]

Karen DiAngelo exposed as a plagiarist....can DEI trainees get a refund?

[@samanthathomas5295]

“I’m a vegetarian; how could I be racist!” 😂

[@BrettBentley-qw4zl]

I just watched Am I Racist it stars Robin DiAngelo, I thought her performance was commanding and unforgettable. I would highly recommend the movie, it’s true genius. The movie was symbolic it helps you look forward and be unburdened by what has been.

[@johnsmith7140]

Indeed

White Privilege. Something taken for granted until exposed to the other darker-skinned folks. You must live with black folk to begin to understand their deep cultural connections, brotherhood, family values, and big-time resilience. When I began to see what blacks went through daily, it sickened me. I now know I am spoiled rotten with privilege that I simply do not deserve.

[@K1NGTUT]

Love! We love ya!

[@niaamani9143]

Thank you for this. ❤️

[@misstunes1765]

Thank you for being observant and introspective James. However, I don't know that you don't deserve to live a "privileged life" as much as we All deserve to live with such privilege, therein lies the real problem.

[@lexc.7991]

@Miss Tunes I agree with this! @James Fox it is not that you do not deserve the benefits, opportunity and freedom that comes with that privilege 🙂 It is that no one or one group deserves that privilege more than another group simply because of skin color. It is ridiculous to support the idea that people should feel guilty for having white privilege. Do not waste your privilege, appreciate it, value it. And acknowledge that it IS a privilege-a rare thing that is not common to everyone else in the world. Use it for good and to help change things where you can. The definition of privilege is: The special right, benefit, immunity or exemption enjoyed only by a person (or group) beyond the advantages of most. We all deserve those rights and benefits, then no one will be considered privileged if we all have that standard of living. Furthermore, it is not the wish of minorities to have people with white privilege be brought down to the level of living conditions that us minorities have to face; but rather for us to be allowed up onto the same level as you. If we can all be on the same playing field then there will be no such thing as privilege based off of race. (I encourage anyone who is asking for white people to feel or express guilt in response to white privilege to stop 🙏 That in itself is not a solution and it will not help progress these problems towards a solution). PS: It is very encouraging to me to hear people being so self aware and genuinely taking the time to self reflect. I personally do not like to hear people feel guilty 😅 It has always felt like a private process that I don’t want to intrude on. I much prefer to hear that someone has taken the time to self reflect; because you cannot grow without self reflection, period. And if you are not open to growing then whatever conflict you are facing will always be at a standstill.

@@lexc.7991 Blaa blaa BLAA. White priilege is NOT normal, not acceptable and NOT endurable. THAT is what this is all about. Be real, stop making excuses for white dominance over people of color. THAT is the issue here.

[@infiniteai9768]

If your employer makes you attend this kind of meeting, you need to look for another job ASAP. She’s insane.

[@IndigoBellyDance]

Obama’s presidency Gave me and my daughter Health Insurance.

[@Mexicobeanpole]

Me too. I’m self employed, and without Obamacare my premiums would have completely impossible without his program. The difference of my paying $1000 a month or $160.

[@incognitotorpedo42]

@Moe Snert That's probably because you had an insurance plan that was lousy. Criminally lousy. You're lucky you never got really sick, so you didn't have to discover the reason your premiums were so low.

Obama's election (twice!) gave me great hope for the future of our country. Those were good times.

@Moe Snert Sadly, corporations are netting even bigger profits under Trump through huge tax breaks, while the rest of us get table scraps. In Trumpworld, you're either rich (👍) or poor (👎). There's nothing in between. BIDEN 2020

[@MisterNumber6]

@ Biden has dementia.

[@Skarlet79]

Racism, religion, politics and abortion for example are very controversial topics. I only talk with people I have known for a while and trust about something like this. Just because I do not want to talk about it with everyone does not make me fragile or ignorant.

[@gordo8354]

Imagine you’re on a plane and the person next to you pulls out “Protocols of the Elders of Zion”. You’d be shocked

[@schechter01]

Unfortunately no...I would not be shocked. Not these days. Nor would I be surprised if (s)he pulled out "White Fragility" or the NoI's "The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews".

[@amvderby2236]

I just dont understand. How can anybody, I say anybody....no race in particular, resist arrest, flee, take a weapon forcibly from a police officer and it becomes a you or me, fight or flight situation where someone (a cop) defends themselves and be charged with murder. UNBELIEVABLE.

[@djcogdill9263]

@@sexytown4456 The Rayshard Brooks shooting in Atlanta

[@marlynsantos9677]

I've never heard such a well spoken, open dialogue about racism where the expert is not a person of color. Some very intriguing and valid points raised.

[@Darling137]

Well spoken nonsense nonetheless.

[@nunya2076]

You might be mentally challenged if you can't see the racism in this video 😂

[@Pwanx0w]

Imagine if police worked like that : If you defend yourself you must be guilty. This woman would've been a top tier inquisitor in 15th century spain.

[@falkenlaser]

I’d love to see her have a discussion with Jordan Peterson

[@CourageToB]

he would be bored to death again. he is very fast revealing fluff. the topic is "white fragility". all she actually did explain was black fragility. then she tries to take out the "the evidence white people are givin why they are not racist" to not allow anyone to not be racist. its her job to prove people are racist and she can turn them. yeaaah....

[@pfscpublic]

No, white people chatting to white people is what we do and tired, better discussions are Robin exploring and tuning her analysis with non-white people on public media as there is so little out there

[@sabinereynaudsf]

Or Candace Owens.

[@falkenlaser]

sabine reynaud Lol I was thinking about her, too. Unfortunately, these post-modernists like DiAngelo consider facts, logic, reason, discourse, and debate nothing but tools used by what they see as the “oppressor” to maintain its power over the “oppressed, so they never engage in discourse. But I’d love to see Jordan and/or Candace talk about her book. It’s pretty much a Kafkatrap.

[@audreyandremington5265]

Or larry elder

[@B305M]

She is correct to an extent, "you do not control your socialization...." however you ARE in full control to learn and or unlearn racist/ sexist conditioning, to explore cultures outside of your culture or your "white bubble of ignorance".

[@Zeverinsen]

You say that like everyone has the same starting point. She's VERY correct, because she *doesn't* assume that people know what they *don't* know. She explains in detail how she was surprised about how much she *didn't* know, even though she thought she did. The truth of it all is that some people just don't know, and that's a hard truth society needs to swallow. You don't choose your family, the environment you grow up in, your sexual orientation, your skin colour, nationality etc., but collectively all of this and more inevitably makes up who you are, and in turn how you're conditioned. Believing that anyone is easily free to so obviously know their biases and just unlearn all of this at will, is extremely naive at best. Society needs to think like her to have any chance of understanding each other on issues like this, because putting the burden of a society on individuals will only breed unnecessary resentment.

[@lizadeeza]

I know that I learned about racism as a child, when my own family was racist toward my friends whose Mom was white and Dad was Black. My Dad's family was overtly racist but they had more black friends than my Mom's liberal white family whose racism was more covert. I know to challenge my family's racism meant a LOT of fighting. Me having to challenge them again and again. So we as white people need to do the work absolutely, but not all white people are willing to be as contentious as I was, or accept being an outsider in one's own community or family. Just the other day a friend of mine who lives with her parents was ordered to leave the house because of her support of BLM. They worked things out, but her parents didn't end their racist beliefs.

[@B305M]

Liza Davis it will take time of course and you’ve hit a lot of useful nuances on the head about speaking up, constantly to combat those bigoted views. Good for you. Equality is earned it isn’t given or donated. Ahaha! Stay smart. 👍🏿

[@B305M]

Severinsen That is why opinions exist. You have your own and I have mine. No one is superior, no one is universally right. Just acknowledge our differences and keep it moving.

[@cynthiaclemons4987]

She said that too...

[@johnjones-uc3ni]

Some people will do and say anything to make money. Regardless of our skin color we just need to see it for the BS it is.

[@austindrake4697]

Totally blown away by the next level racism from this lady.

[@temp7149]

“Im a vegetarian. How can i be racist?”💀💀💀

[@coenvanderlinden7375]

Are you white? Or partially white, Asian is also partly white, then you are a racist! …. At least that is what this new religion of Anti-racism says.

[@DizzyBusy]

@@coenvanderlinden7375 you got it wrong, my friend. But I hope you are safe. Stay healthy.

[@AIenSmithee]

I love how she calls out Barack Obama as racist. I guess his half racist by her logic.