Peter Godfrey-Smith: Cuttlefish, Octopuses, and the Consciousness of Mysterious Minds

[@HipolitoHernanz]

Excellent interview, Robinson. You are always well prepared, which is a lot of hard work, and then you use that preparation to guide but not interfere with your guest's presentation. Very professional and a joy to watch. Thank you!

[@DubStepKid801]

wonderful discussion, thank you

[@Pourang_Kay]

Perfect timing! I've been reading his books, almost done with Other Minds. 👍🙌

[@wdb-q4y]

Fantastic content as always.

[@TheDudeKicker]

1:02:00 Thank you for dumbing it down for me. You are so smart.

[@dosesandmimoses]

Hallelujah. Death should not be the ONLY focus of animal wellbeing. Thank you for this conversation.. because it seems that people have misunderstood or completely missed this message. Now for those not familiar with ethics, substitute “animal” with the word “person.” They are one of the same should one have forgotten the category chart of mammals..

[@jodawgsup]

let's go Robinson!

[@daltonsutton8504]

Great topic

[@TheK3vin]

I hope you enjoyed your two weeks of guilt-free fish-eating before this! :D

[@snjsilvan]

"Fish don't have experience" isn't possible to judge as far as I can see. How could anyone come to this conclusion with such confidence? Seems to me they must in some way.

[@christopherstanford5599]

🐙🦑🐚🐌 The Phylum Mollusca encompasses quite a variety of species, snail & octopus are at the extreme "intellectual" ends. I first encountered a baby octopus in a soup can on a beach in Mexico 56 years ago, will always cherish that memory. ❤

[@khrysos1180]

From a physicalist point of view qualia are a physical phenomena (they happen in a brain, not in the world outside the brain). We know that in the world outside the brain there is no "red" but only a collection of wavelengths that fall in a particular bandwidth. In the video it is argued that a form of proto-mind phenomenon could be the "felt experience". I don't think that "felt experiences" are a form of penumbra where a mind forms in its earlier stage because a "felt experience" involves already a "self" that is feeling. What if instead a qualia can happen as a mind event but without any observer who experiences it (the self). Think it as a movie projected in the cinema without spectators. It could be that qualia are evolved nervous system functions to collapse the information into a category in order to process the data more efficiently and that later a self evolved as a way to do efficient problem solving on data collected from the world in the form of qualias. I imagine that a self evolved after the formation of a cohesive and persistent auto-updating "world view" that could put together all the isolated perceived qualia that were previously appearing non persistent and not connected between them. Like flashes of redness or pain disconnected from a cohesive synthetized perception of reality that later became the movie projected in the cinema of the mind and that even later are shown to a spectator as a movie when he finally evolved into existence. Isn't it also how we as a self enter the stage in life ? we all know that we didn't have a conscious-self immediately after we were born but we developed it later.

[@optinoptimist]

cuttleconsciousness and the magical mystery minds

[@MadDeuceJuice]

An episode with Gary Francione?

[@dosesandmimoses]

I’ve never interpreted Nietzsche or heard of his work being interpreted as an “exposure to overcome ethics.” Not have I ever met a philosophy professor who posited that interpretation..

[@user-bg3dq1fu8v]

The whole we killed god and can’t wash away the blood thing? The Ubermensch? These ideas are both about setting your own moral standard.

[@PachyteneCheckpoint]

If you put salt on a banana slug while it is eating its favorite food--- raw potato--it not only writhes as if in agony, but it will NEVER eat potato again. How anthropocentric to say it does not experience pain.

[@danishaffer2673]

Well did we have that debate or did we just imagine it? It’s kinda not the same thing? Before we reach question 2 let’s actually discuss question 1.

[@jamesthelemonademaker]

If you've had an aquarium with fish it's difficult to maintain a position that they are not conscious

[@Hubris030]

Consciousness and subjective experience are one and the same thing. The consciousness of any living thing only exists because of the consciousness of its ancestors that lived before it.

[@danishaffer2673]

Consciousness just means being awake, to say anything else is homo-centric, is to create a frame work where in humans can be elevated as superior.

[@peternase5103]

🤟

[@danishaffer2673]

Given that color vision is only good in full light and even humans go more or less color blind at night. I’d be surprised if under water creatures typically see much color at all. At least not as we experience color, which would question what color really is if not light.

[@optinoptimist]

cuttleconscious

[@jasonshapiro9469]

Camouflage doesn't help you much when people keep putting hooks in your lunch...imagine biting a taco and getting snatched out your house by the mouth...

[@MiddlePath007]

Imagine having no comprehension of how your food was going to kill you because it was manufactured by a malevolent and more powerful entity that doesn't look at you as an equal, or even smart enough to feel bad about? Yeah, I think I can almost imagine how that might pan out

[@billusher2265]

Please interview Peter Beinart and Col Daniel Davis

[@cashox4]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hIuthoiQbbOdfa8si=DsKwtrXRclOhT1uC&t=1398 just casually drop the simplest question of them all into the brew - this will to some extent always be subjective - but always a fun existential question