mClassic & mCable In-Depth Review & Comparison : Are These Marseille Inc Upscalers Worth The Price?

[@RobNoireGaming]

Here's a list of all the consoles I compare the footage of in the video, with timestamps : Atari 2600 - 9:14 NES - 9:36 Sega Master System - 9:59 SNES - 10:46 Sega Genesis - 11:22 Sega CD - 11:58 Sega 32x - 12:37 Gameboy / Gameboy Advance - 13:05 Nintendo 64 - 14:12 Playstation 1 - 15:02 Nintendo DS - 15:55 Gamecube - 16:12 Playstation 2 - 16:49 Wii - 17:41 Xbox - 18:51 Playstation 3 - 20:12 Xbox 360 - 20:45 WiiU - 21:33 Playstation 4 - 22:12 Xbox One - 22:53 Nintendo Switch - 23:34 Note: I tried to cover everything I could think of for every console I have access to, which is why I went so fast in the comparisons. I recommend slowing down or pausing the video if something catches your eye.

[@swsw8631]

i just bought a 1440p monitor and i have owned an mcable gaming edition for a while now,all i am wondering is do games look better running at 1440p with the mclassic on your monitor than it does running at 1080p on the original mcable i really want to know if the difference is noticeable i already love the mcable for breath of the wild on my monitor at 1080p but if i can make it look better with the mclassic ill buy one one i need to know if the 1440p upscale will make much of difference.

[@RobNoireGaming]

@@swsw8631 My monitor is a 4k monitor not 1440p - and yes they look better running in 1440p on that then they do in 1080p. I do not know how noticeable the difference is between the mclassic & mcable on an actual 1440p monitor though, unfortunately.

[@swsw8631]

@@RobNoireGaming thanks for the reply

[@ammakko]

@@swsw8631 the mClassic can upscale to 1440p while the mCable cannot. I use the mClassic between a Nintendo Switch and my 1440p monitor, it improves a lot the quality!

[@byproduct8849]

marseille tells all customers, that you should 720p if you can because the mclassic work better in this case..... your video is a complete fail

[@mattdiamond6029]

Dude thank you man, cause all this info was overwhelming so I appreciate how thorough you were here, obviously took a lot of time and effort to make this. You are the man!

[@RobNoireGaming]

Glad it helped! I used every console I had at my disposal to give the best overall review I could, for these things I figure I might as well do it as in-depth as I can!

[@MrAdam802]

Correction: mClassic is actually amazing on N64 if you have an EON super 64 with the "slick mode" smoothing feature on. Slick mode + mClassic on N64 looks so smooth and clean. UltraHDMI mod actually makes the image too pixelated imo.

[@RobNoireGaming]

To each their own. You can get the same result as the EON adapter with the Ultrahdmi by setting it to 480p and changing some of the settings. Super blurry lines on a low resolution graphics is a yikes for me though. I personally prefer pixelated.

[@zenoxodius-8483]

@@RobNoireGaming N64 Digital is a better mod then Ultra HDMI. It has more smoothing options wich makes it look better. Adding Mclassic with it on 480p gives better results then having it on 720p or higher. Less rough edges and not too much pixelated, wich overall gives better details to everything. With this console you should have it on 480p to have the mclassic do it's work. With higher resolutions you are indeed not going to see much results.

[@RobNoireGaming]

I tried having it on all the available resolutions, but unfortunately the Mclassic smeared the image terribly in my tests. I can’t speak to how well it works with the N64 Digital though, it was not available when I got my original ultrahdmi mod, and I’m not sure if it was widely available even when this video came out

[@zenoxodius-8483]

Hmm strange. I have both Ultra HDMI and Digital. Even for Ultra HDMI on 480p setting with mclassic should give better results. But also depends how the other settings of the mod itself and tv are ofcourse. Yes the Digital wasn't much available at the time.

[@Nix-7741]

Mclassic is a miracle worker. Native 720p games looks nice on 1080p tvs and 1440p Monitors. Hell, it even improves native 1080p games on PS4 by removing some of the jaggies

[@maegnificant]

if I use it with the switch for a 1440p monitor, should I set the switch to 720p or 1080p?

[@TheRightToFilmPolice]

@@maegnificant from what I've heard it needs to be set to 1080p, but that was just from comments from another video. And if your upscaling to 1080p you would want to set the source device to 480p or 720p but I think there is also A function of not even upscaling and just doing anti ailising which removes the jaggies.

[@d3bu663r.]

My goodness, please clean the consoles, it hurts my heart to see them in this condition.

[@eaglelion9235]

Truer words have never been spoken....kinda gross too.

[@SkyGuyJedi]

This was the best review I've ever watched. Thanks so much.

[@danieldoughty]

I completely agree!!

[@MarkoPolo8888]

I totally agree as well 👍🏽

[@Bobtimus_Rock]

The fast lines comparing footage was really satisfying! This video was well edited, I always felt that those who discuss the mClassic only did it in certain ways, but this shows nearly everything on a larger scale.

[@RobNoireGaming]

Thank you! I definitely had my work cut out editing this one, glad it came together nicely in the end.

[@thesteammachine1282]

@@RobNoireGaming It looks like the mclassic is crushing the blacks in the original xbox. Any idea of a fix as i doubt playing with the darkness of the tv will fix it much?

[@RobNoireGaming]

Honestly not really, part of what that device does is up the contrast, short of playing with the settings on your Xbox / tv, there’s not a lot you can do.

[@thesteammachine1282]

@@RobNoireGaming So basically the device is useless for lets say dark games but performs well on bright ones like lets say mario ?

[@jersydvl]

Dude, clean your consoles

[@Retro-Fez]

Yeah their filthy 😂

[@dylnjshua4256]

U do it

[@jawnharris3670]

Give the fella some grace guy. He spent loads of time and energy to make this video for us offering some excellent information. Thank You Very Much to the Video Creator for making this video!

[@JJsGA]

@@jawnharris3670 if he's willing to put forth the effort into a video, he can at least clean up his consoles. It shows they are taken care of and since it's a video, it only enhances the presentation.

[@magicman4643]

Also that thumb was dirty too lol. Nice video but my god, wash your hand bro.

[@devaztator23]

Bro thanks for explaining this so perfectly. I was thinking about getting it but after the way you showed and explained everything in definitely getting it now. Thanks again and I subscribed so I hope to see more of your stuff in the future!!! Keep up the great work!!!!

[@RobNoireGaming]

Wow, thank you for saying that! It's really nice to hear that my videos helped.

[@WllKiedSnake]

I was a founder of the Mclassic over on Indiegogo, and I decided to get a Mclassic for one reason and that is. So I can play MGS4 with it. The Mclassic is the only way to get use as close to that remaster as possible. And it looks very impressive. I can see all the detail in Snakes moustache now. Haha! The Mclassic also gets rid of the horrendous blur to the image on games that used the Quincunx AA method on PS3 Games like Orange Box and GTA4. They look very good now. Mclassic cant get rid of stair stepping on certain things like phone lines and lamp posts though. If they do another iteration of the Mclassic though. Maybe we'll get more AA. Its does 4xSMAA by the way. Which is very good.

[@RobNoireGaming]

It definitely does a good job for what it is.

[@WllKiedSnake]

@@RobNoireGaming It does. And it's the same price or cheaper as all these other upscalers/converters but it works across multiple systems.

[@WllKiedSnake]

@@RobNoireGaming By the way. If your playing a 1440p game on PS4 Pro or One X. You should start the game in 4k, then switch to 1080p. The game will then be Super Sampling, the Mclassic will then upscale back up to 1440p adding even more clarity and detail. It looks better than a normal 1440p upscaled to 4k. 1440p or lower doesnt look as good as it should upscaled to 4k. Doom Eternal is a good test for this. Jedi Fallen Order you would do this with as well. As its 1260p dynamic. So if you Super Sample it. You can make it look better than the 1440p on the One X version. Only on a 4k TV will you have to use this trick, if starting the game in 4k then switching to 1080p to force Super Sampling. On a normal 1080p TV you will just have the Super Sampling option on and it will work across the board. I believe on a 1440p TV/Monitor you'll have to use the start at 4k and switch to 1080p while playing a game trick also. But not sure. My TV cant do a 1440p image. Just 4k and 1080p. So you'll have to check this out to see. Hope this helps.

[@ericko777]

The wii U is a great candidate for the mclassic. Your problem is that youre not setting the games to play at their native resolution and allowing the console to do the upscaling hence messing with the image before the mclassic gets to. If you use an OSSC for older titles and play last gen games at their native resolution (720p), you'll get a great picture combined with the mclassic

[@Macho_Man_Randy_Savage]

Amazing work, I really wanted one for my PS3/360 and looks like this will be perfect! Subbed for the hard work.

[@nathanlake78]

I have had good results using the mclassic with games set at their native resolution on a 1440p monitor. If your goal is to reduce the jaggies you need to let the mclassic do the upscaling.

[@ocsjc13]

I don't get it how do u connect the mclassic to a snes??

[@nathanlake78]

@@ocsjc13 You would need to use a retrotink although I wouldn’t recommend mClassic for 2D games. It’s better for older 3D games.

[@WololoWololo2]

2D consoles on Nintendo switch Online does better job than original consoles. He should have tried Nintendo switch Online with Mclassic + Mcable

[@templarkid.]

HOLY SH!T, THAT N64 IS DIRTY!!!

[@dfox20]

I just picked up an MCable for my Switch and a Super Eon 64 + MClassic for my N64 and both do wonders and run great!

[@jordango8847]

This video deserves way more views and upvotes. Great job, and you can tell a lot of time and effort was put into it

[@Kyokushinman]

Mclassic plus Mcable is the best image that can be in the 480p-1440p range. Mega sharpness, contrast, better color. Just wait for the upgrade to 4k resolution.

[@RobNoireGaming]

I really hope they come out with a version soon that does full 4K up scaling from all resolutions. It would definitely make it a must buy for everyone

[@WllKiedSnake]

Yeah the 1440p upscale is random. But I get it. It's a compact upscaler that you power from USB. So there needed to be a compromise somewhere. It's also HDCP 1.4. It also cant do RGB at 4k. Only YUV420. So hopefully RGB at 4k will be possible on the nxt model. I'm happy with what it does though and for the price it's a steal I think. As it works across multiple systems. No other Upscaler/Converter works across a big number of systems. They cost like 150 and are made for one system. So the Mclassic's definitely worth it.

[@swsw8631]

@@WllKiedSnake i need to know i already have an mcable i love it but i just bought a 1440p monitor i would really like to see if that 1440p output makes switch games look that ever so better or if its hard to see the difference.

[@WllKiedSnake]

@@swsw8631 It does. They improved their upscaling algorithm to approximate pixel edges more accurately so the 1440p upscale is better than the Mcable was. And also it does more accurate colors now. It will also let you improve 1440p PS4 Pro games. You can downsample them to 1080p then have it upscale back up to 1440p improving the image quality.

[@akillzonefanboy3313]

This was a good in-depth video. Actually answered some of my questions about what happens when using both the mcable and mclassic at the same time. Best to go with the mclassic alone it seems. Thank you for all the side by side comparisons. Really helped out a lot!

[@BOXING_LOUNGE]

That doesn't always apply. I use the MCABLE female to female 4K HDMI, then the MCLASSIC. I only get ghosting if I then use a 2nd MCLASSIC lol (not all games get ghosting), I'm still testing though.

[@akillzonefanboy3313]

@@BOXING_LOUNGE uh I feel like you responded to the wrong person because I wasn't talking about ghosting at all lol

[@marconihimself]

This is the most in depth video about the m-classic Ive seen so far. Great work!

[@jordanmillraney5481]

I agree that using both together, it could have negative effects. The contrast on it is way high. I would stick with just only the mClassic or an mCable.

[@RobNoireGaming]

100% this. They aren’t cheap devices either, not worth the price of 2 for an extremely minimal at best upgrade from just 1, and all the downsides.

[@hhectorlector]

wait why are his consoles so sandy?? is that beach sand on the 64? and sawdust on the gamecube??

[@RainGamma]

Thanks for this, got this for my ps3. I really didn't know if I should downscale to 720p so glad you covered that

[@RainGamma]

I'd switch it to the green right? for ps3

[@FeeLtheHertZ]

Now this is quality reviewing, voicing-over'ing and through, intelligent production work. Awesome showmanship! Earned yourself a sub brotha.

[@RobNoireGaming]

Thank you! I really tried my hardest to make the review as thorough and in-depth as I could.

[@hendrikruegen1279]

Great comparison :) You should try to set the output as close as possible to the nativ resolution of the game/consol. For example the Wii U : almost all games are native 720p, so set the consol to 720p and the mcable will do a much better job.

[@RobNoireGaming]

Thanks! And yes exactly, if the game has a native resolution of 720p then setting the console to that will improve it - if the game runs at 1080p though, setting the console to 720p worsens the quality in my tests. A case by case basis can be a bit annoying though

[@04yellowjacket]

Subscribed. Easily the best succinct comparative on these products. Saved me $100+. Thank you.

[@TheChillDeadpool]

They need to make second version With the green and blue setting but also Red: better anti-aliasing from ps3/xbox360 generation and so on Yellow: better upscaling and anti-alising 1080p to and for 4k resolutions without it looking weird or worse Idk something like that I'd prefer them to improve the anti-aliasing more and upscaling from 1080p to 4k Maybe they should focus on that and call it mclassic turbo for just upscaling 1080p to 4k and better anti-aliasing and... VERY IMPORTANT make it work with 60 fps instead of 30 fps or lower, it should be 60 fps or lower

[@1Aquadon]

thank you kind sir for this awesome and in depth review of this product (Marseille should take note) Ive just gotten my CECHA01 PS3 and wanted better backwards compatibility graphic improvements other than the consoles "smoothing" option and your vid helped me know its a good upgrade choice!

[@nestordiaz5302]

Your capture card does not capture 4K. It has a 4k60 and HDR passthrough to monitors/tvs, but it is still limited to 1080p for capture. Also, the reason people are told to set their Switches to 720p (or 480p for pstv) is because of many games using dynamic resolutions or those that render oddball resolutions natively, making the consoles have to internally upscale. Breath of the Wild renders at 900p in docked mode for example. Running in 720p forces the console to not upscale, which leads to better performance on most games and allows a more consistent performance from the mcable/mclassic.

[@RobNoireGaming]

My capture card does do 4K output in OBS and shows the input regardless of what it is outputting - which is why I zoomed in to show the input / output. Using an Xbox One X, it shows the 4K input and 1080 output. with the mclassic, everything I tried maxed at 1440p in 1080p out. For the 720p upscale yes your right, but for most games there’s not a visible difference, which is what I touched on.

[@WllKiedSnake]

You can just turn the Mclassic's switch off and on to see if the the image quality changes or if it stops upscaling to 1440p. Then you'll know if your getting its improvements.

[@UnknownUnknown-vr2kt]

first off, Don't do 720p for recording purposes, viewing purposes yes, but for 900p games go to Switch output settings and shrink to 83%, this makes the switch natively output 900p within the 1080p output, with the mclassic this increases it to 1200p, if you have a way of zooming this in (hopefully you do) then do that, it'll look better than taking the 900p, downscaling it to 720p, then upscaling the 720p to 1440p.

[@RastaJediX]

Lol so I slowed it down to really see the comparisons. To 0.5x. Then, it was taking so long, so I figured I'd try 0.75x. I gotta say, you were speaking so fast, that 0.75x actually sounds like you're talking normal, and temporarily going back to 1x sounds sped up haha. Thanks for this man! Exactly what I was looking for! I'm probably going to get an mClassic after I get a RetroTink 2X Pro!

[@daveishereuk]

Eww clean your consoles they look disgusting. 🤮 Apart from that a great vid and thank you for taking time to cover so many game consoles.

[@RobNoireGaming]

Lol I did after, the ones that looked dirty we’re taken out of storage after being there for a very long time. The ones that actually looked clean are the ones I regularly use haha

[@peterwan816]

btw, the classic only supports upto 2k while the cable supports upto 4k. there are differences between the cable and adapter version of the same product. edit: even myself felt wried about what I have said so I went ahead and checked again. they both supports 4k upscaling. my misunderstanding probably came from their product marketing which really focuses on 2k upscaling. its my bad anyways, my apologies.

[@Animal_lives_matter]

19:22 did they fix the black crush issue in a later firmware? Because there are other "power users" claiming to be very picky about shadow detail saying their mClassic definitely does not crush blacks, but it obvious is crushing them on yours. Or maybe it's a RGB full/limited issue (even though you've set it correctly on your TV, mCable may be crushing shadows in full but not in limited)?

[@Adamchevy]

Thanks for making this video. I purchased an Mclassic for my Wii U after watching this. I’m connecting my Wii U to a 1440p monitor. I’m sure BotW and other Wii U titles will look great!

[@MrMadisonYT]

Finally! Been waiting forever for someone to make a video about this. Thanks! Subbed!

[@Yuri_Elias]

I play on a 22 inch Samsung monitor & i use the cheaper Seiki U Vision cable & it works great for me on the Wii U. At least 30% difference so I'm happy 😊 For Wii games i change some settings & it all looks amazing! Tatsunko vs Capcom game tho 🔥 Unreal quality!!! So much fun!

[@drvtc2355]

There should be more love for this video it's very informative, and I can't imagine the pain of recording multiple games from multiple consoles just to show us if ur console will benefit from the mClassic.

[@DeadbeatGamer]

what would happen if the mcable is paasing through the mClassic?

[@patkelley8293]

I have m classic. Amazing on 360 and ps3. Replaying oblivion on 360 and it's crisp and clear. DD dark arisen looks sick on 360 and ps3. Not great on ps2 or wii but cleared up wii graphics out of wii u. Skyrim legendary on 360 with m classic - wow! Just get one.

[@RobNoireGaming]

I agree, the Xbox 360 / PS3 generation benefits the most from this device from what I’ve seen. I literally never boot up my PS3 without it. If that’s your primary use for it, you should see great results!

[@onmywayto974]

Thanks boss for taking your time to research and explain these comparisons. I watched through the whole thing. I was contemplating on getting it for the Switch. I have a 4K TV and 1440P monitor, but the cost is still too high.

[@JMLRetroRoom]

Use the mClassic on your PS3 for Blue-ray.. I had the same issue where I seen no 4K signal from any other Blue-ray player I have. Tried with the PS3, popped in Aladdin and I was actually amazed. My TV detected a 4K signal and it looked so much better I couldn’t believe my eyes. For Switch, it makes a difference, subtle but it’s a positive one. I do leave it on 1080p as well. My favorite is Dreamcast and OG Xbox using HDMI Adapters from the original consoles.

[@RobNoireGaming]

Interesting, I’ll have to try it with bluray. Since the movies would typically be outputting at 24fps it makes sense the mclassic could finally reach 4K output with it. And I agree on most modern consoles the improvements are pretty subtle, but are there. There’s definitely a sweet spot with the middle-gen 3D consoles that seems to give the best results imo

[@bradlux984]

Loved this review. Super informative and helpful. But I love the irony that you intentionally made all these consoles look as dusty and gross as possible for a video about visual enhancement. Just brilliant :)!!! Haha.

[@jasonnug]

Is that really on purpose? They are so gross. lol.

[@VGx7]

From one small creator to another, I love your work!

[@theohughes74]

I recently purchased the classic and already had the M2 cable and you answered my question on doubling up, thanks! And I agree, makes my PS3 and Wii look much better (especially PS3) but while all my older consoles are hardwired for HDMI, it didn't look right, especially the SNES and Genesis with the smoothing around the edges of sprites, not bad, just a different look.

[@RobNoireGaming]

Yeah I think that generation or so of consoles benefit the most from it, early/mid 3D games see a lot of improvements

[@4Clubs]

Thank you for this video, this was very informative.

[@RobNoireGaming]

Glad it helped!

[@zZwellZz]

Geeez man! What a job you have done! Great video and it helped me a lot in what device I should buy. Im gonna order my mClassic for my psp. Tkss Rob o/

[@tikteetewon]

Great video, by far the most informative upscaling video I've seen. Thank you for helping me with this. I'm searching for a solution to upscale my 1080p HD DVD player. If I understand this my best bet is to use an M classic and set my resolution to 720p on my player. Curious on your thoughts on this.

[@Yoshsterpalooza]

Did you output the modern hd consoles like 360 and ps3 at 720 or 1080 when running it through the mclassic and cable?

[@NinjaRed5000]

While I'm not interested in using the mClassic for modern consoles (especially since I have a PS4Pro, which I'm going to exchange for a PS5 down the line; I'll edit this comment after the fact), I am pretty impressed with how this works for the PS3. I'll definitely get this for my PS3 to take advantage of my 4KTV.

[@RobNoireGaming]

The PS3 benefits A LOT from the Mclassic in my opinion, definitely a good console to pair it with

[@kenshinesca]

Thanks for the comprehensive look at what the device does it's much appreciated. I think some of your upscaling solutions are already doing the job of the mclassic. I plan on using the mclassic mainly for my 360, Xbox, pstv, maybe some 8-16 bit with retrotink 2x mini.

[@MrSnootyFace]

Did you manage to get the XBox 360 to work with the Mclassic? I have both Mclassic and the Mcable gaining edition I cannot get either of them to work, I just get a black screen and the TV does not recognise the connection. I have used these cable successfully with PS4, PSVR, and XBox One so I do know how to connect them correctly. I have tried every resolution on the 360 and I get nothing. Any ideas?

[@87PoleDancer]

When testing out the PS2 with the mCable & mClassic, did you use the Pound HDMI HD Link Cable?

[@NY-Buddy]

so wait since it only upscales by 1 you can get the switch to upscale to 4k correct? 1 - Are they working on a new one that forcefully upscales by up to 2 or 3? (ex: like how you got 2xAA, 4xAA etc, which is basically doubling the AA each time.) 2 - Or is there a way where you CAN do this as you said both devices cannot fuse together and do this

[@NaByDark]

Hi, friend! Thanks for this analysis, but I suggest another one with the mClassic + mCable Cinema, they say that the improvement is even better!

[@chrisbohmdrumming9269]

so i am currently using a hyperkin cable, with a simple hdmi coupler, running through the m classic. it looks better to me, then it did using the wii2hdmi sewell adapter into the mclassic. I am still wondering if the m cable paired with the m classic for the regular wii would give me better picture? Games like skyward sword for example look pixelated still at far distances, but look pretty nice up close.

[@yourgamepalygp5038]

I think the best way to chain these together would actually be to have the cable directly connect to the console and then the mclassic connected to the end of the mcable with a coupler

[@BOXING_LOUNGE]

It works better if they are connected, but not directly otherwise you get ghosting 👀

[@danieldoughty]

Thank you so much! This was the best and most in depth review I’ve seen

[@RobNoireGaming]

Glad to help!

[@cr4zyw3ld3r]

I would say that these really help when you have a massive tv like a 70" 1080p unit or projector. Smaller tvs and smaller higher resolution tvs nowadays tend to have pretty good image upscalers if you are ok with input lag but on large tvs the jaggies from anything PS2 era up to early XBONE and PS4 are reduced greatly with a slight depth increase to IQ overall.

[@RobNoireGaming]

Absolutely. Smaller screens with increased pixel density aren’t quite as easy to notice the difference on. The biggest difference I have personally seen is on my 65” 4K tv, 1440p upscaled on it (+the other benefits) looks massively improved compared to 720p or even 1080p

[@cr4zyw3ld3r]

@@RobNoireGaming but having played my Switch on my 1440p 27" dell I can notice an increase in clarity on things like text and character outlines that otherwise had gnarly aliasing esp in Xenoblade Chronicles and Astral Chain but I would imagine this would be very title/artstyle dependent. And different engines use various AA methods that may not play nicely with this unit. Especially if its FXAA where it pretty much vaselines the entire view area. This is something that does not get mentioned too much since in cases where AA is already present you would only be making things worse applying the post-process from this unit on top. I found in some title using a Darbee unit made a bigger impact on IQ than the mCable Classic because it works on extracting additional color info per pixel to add more depth to the image vs applying edge AA and a pseudo DoF effect that they describe on the original gaming edition cable page.

[@kevjapan]

I'm using the mcable with the Mayflash adapter on my Wii and it is awesome. I tried 2 other HDMI adapters and both of them seemed to have some kind of wavy electrical interference going on. With the Mayflash adapter it's perfect. Highly recommended!

[@rstrn8s]

Tried a bunch of Wii adaptors and they all had faint diagonal lines that ruined the image. The Mayflash adaptor looks a lot like the other cheaper adaptors, about 1/3 smaller but the picture is perfect and the price is far less than any other high end hdmi console adaptor. They should redesign it so it stands out from the budget adaptors. With the mClassic to buffer the jaggies games look really good.

[@p_mouse8676]

Actually, I have been thinking of another use case. Which is using it not for a console, but a budget PC or raspberry pi kind of environment. There are cases that the user wouldn't be able to upgrade the CPU of GPU, but still would like to play at 1080P with a decent framerate. Unfortunately in this case the user has to lower the resolution to maintain proper framerates. I was wondering if you could test this as well?

[@RobNoireGaming]

It could work, I don’t personally own a Pi, although I do own a modern, slightly old, and very old PC. I did test on all 3 and i did notice improvement to the older PCs (resolution bump to 1440p and improved graphics for the most part). It probably would have been a bigger step up if the older pcs could have output HDMI without needing adapters. It gets a bit complicated with PCs though since in terms of graphics, there’s a lot more settings to dial in how you want compared to consoles

[@a7mdftw]

Dude you did a super good jop , im really thankful for that

[@Ian-.]

I have an ultrawide monitor 1440p that is 21:9 and games look ugly when stretched. Will this make the games look normal on monitors this big?

[@RobNoireGaming]

It won’t, they maintain the 16:9 aspect ratio (or 4:3 on retro mode) so if you want them to fill the entire screen they’ll still need to be stretched to fill

[@Sweetaccord]

On a Wii using component cables, what is the best HDMI converter to use to keep the image clear and sharp on a 65" TV? I tried the Mclassic with a Prothlitic HDMI converter and it's blurry and words on the menu has distortion.

[@damellow8826]

Maybe your best option is the Wii u

[@Sweetaccord]

@@damellow8826 Greetings, I did away with all the old hardware. It will never be up to the quality of today's resolutions. Went with a pc and emulation instead and all is great now.

[@lunatics1885]

Does this do 4k/60hz passthrough? If i were to hook this up to the output of my hdmi splitter so that i can have the switch, ps4 and pc go through it. Would that then mean that my 4k/60hz monitor would recieve 4k/30hz when using the mClassic on purely passthrough mode for the pc output? It wouldn't make using it impossible if the answer is yes. I just like convenience and knowing if i don't have to swap it between devices is handy.

[@LordFends]

Really in depth video, I love how you showed like a half dozen combinations side by side so it's really easy to pause and compare. Awesome work

[@shocknawe]

Hey mate. You are the only person who covered Wii2HDMI’s in depth. I bought, through a friend, the Sewell because of you and it is incredible. However, I cant buy any more of them as they seem to be sold only in the US and dont deliver to Where I am. Could you indicate other models as good as the Sewell sold on Aliexpress or perhaps make a video on the more expensive ones in there compared to the Sewell? I bought 2 there that, instead of tapping the component signal(like the Sewell does) tap the composite signal :S Cheers. PS: for the ps2, use a new cheap hdmi adapter from Aliexpress ( those black ones that look like a small dongle) it simply converts the component signal to HDMI, and get OPL on your memory card. Then, you can force certain games to go 480p. I do this and looks great.

[@RobNoireGaming]

Hey I do plan on revisiting the Wii2Hdmi in the future (to compare with some other Wii video options that have come out since) but it would not be in the near future unfortunately. Sewell adapters seem to have ceased production in early 2020 so they are very hard to find now. Portholic used to make one that was of comparable quality to Sewell if you can find it - hope that helps!

[@shocknawe]

@@RobNoireGaming Oh, shite. Thats rough. Well...I'll keep an eye out them. Btw, did you read the "PS" I edited in later about how to better use the PS2 with HDMI? Those adapters like the one you used on the PS2 add variable input lag, given the chips weren't made for gaming. Also, their upscaling is pretty bad. Im giving this info as you seemed bummed out with the cable + ps2 result. I use it the way I described to you and that makes games quite better.

[@calibomber209]

hi great vid. Do these cables still hold up today? are there better devices for cheaper? also did you try this with a psp? the psp is why i wanted this. glad to find out it works with all kinds of consoles.

[@RobNoireGaming]

The Mclassic still holds up for sure, I use it pretty regularly - haven’t touched the mCable in awhile though. There aren’t any devices that do it for cheaper, you can get some extremely good upscalers for a higher cost that are more versatile, but they don’t do the exact same thing as the marseille stuff. I didn’t try it with a psp unfortunately, still don’t own one, though it’s on my list!

[@calibomber209]

@@RobNoireGaming for sure thanks. i have a few bid on ebay rn wish me luck.

[@JesusisLord1130]

What's the best Hdmi adapter to use with the mclassic? I currently have a HD prism. Also I was told that double line sampling on the HD prism option may hurt what mclassic can do. Is this true? If that's the case should I take off any sharpening the prism does and just let the mclassic do it all?

[@Skybolter]

The M Cable & the M classic device both are a combined and unique weapon for retro gaming, ¿how is that? EASY: The source HDMI Cable connect it into the MClassic device while the other HDMI with the M Chip that requires USB Connection plugg it into the TV and you have a big juice of great quality.

[@giornogiovanna6472]

Im more interested in difference in lighting because you can use external anti aliasing. This video is mostly about video resolution

[@nator1654]

Do you recommend it for a PS3 with a full HD 1080p TV?

[@JesusisLord1130]

What's the best hdmi adapter to use the Mclassic with? I currently have a HD prism?

[@penajuan46]

That was great. I'm getting an mclassic for my ps3, wii, and wii u becaue of this video, thanks!

[@RobNoireGaming]

Glad to help! I use it constantly on my PS3, more than any other console, really shines with it

[@MarkoPolo8888]

Okay.... can you use an MCable & MClassic together to be able to a use the switch on the side of the MClassic, so when the MCable stretch the image to 16:9, you can just switch it back to 4:3? Hope you understand my question.

[@RobNoireGaming]

Yes, you could, mcable would have to be first in the chain, Mclassic second. There’s really no benefit to this though, as chaining the 2 together offers extremely small improvement compared to just the Mclassic on its own

[@MarkoPolo8888]

@@RobNoireGaming Thank you very much. Greatly appreciate your response. Just trying to understand the two products.

[@Yoshsterpalooza]

What is the reasoning behind the games not being improved at 480p vs 1080p? Many other channels claim 480p will give you a maximized result for Wii and GameCube games. Also, if I have my Wii U games running at 720 and up scaled using the mclassic, does it look the same as the console natively outputting 1080p? I’d like to know because I’d rather avoid switching my Wii U from one resolution to the other for convenience sake.

[@RobNoireGaming]

Essentially the Mclassic can only do so much. The better you feed into it (to an extent) the better it comes out the other side. If you feed in a blurry mess vs a sharp one, the blurry mess is still going to look worse after all is said & done. I went in expecting the opposite, but as shown in the footage, it was almost always the case that the better resolution going in = better coming out. For specifically the WiiU / modern consoles it’s hard to say - a lot of games run internally at 720p upscaled to 1080p, those would look better with Mclassic if left at 720p. The ones that run natively at 1080p will look very similar, but would look better left at 1080p, especially if your tv/monitor is 1440p or 4K. On a 1080p screen, the difference would be negligible.

[@akijr5637]

How do you connect both (combine) classic and cable? Also what order? Thanks!

[@PuppetGanon]

Best explanation on KZbin yet. Thanks

[@chrishunter777]

Excellent video, but please clean them poor old machines 😢

[@majorgify]

Thanks Rob for producing such a comprehensive video. I can well imagine that it took 200 hours to include all the content.

[@RobNoireGaming]

Glad you enjoyed it! Definitely the most work I've put into a video to date, but the response to it has definitely made it more than worth it.

[@user-sz6hk1nv3o]

Mclassic with mcable cinema edition looks diffrent in color.

[@dimimalgames4766]

I'm a little obsessed with the playstation vita and so I bought the PSTV in hopes of having ps vita games look better on a TV. could this further upgrade the 720P of the PSTV and make the games look better?

[@RobNoireGaming]

Yes! I haven’t tested specifically with the Vita, but it’ll turn the 720p signal into 1440p, and I remember a lot of Vita games looking a bit jagged/sharp edges when played on TV, the filters should help improve that. I remember the company them self releasing a video/guide about the Vita back in the Kickstarter days

[@tomianz-1242]

Amazing content buddy! Subscribed!

[@RobNoireGaming]

Thanks! Glad you liked it

[@adammerza5745]

Great video! Got it for my wii and made games like cod wow and goldeneye playable on 50 inch TV. Bought a wiiU and not sure I can see the benefits, even running wii games on it vs the built in upscaler. More investigation needed!

[@RobNoireGaming]

The early / mid 3D era consoles (like the Wii, GameCube, etc) are where I saw the most improvement as well. The benefits are a lot more minor on consoles that natively do 1080p+, but are there. It also depends on the game + your TV/Monitor’s resolution (shows up more on 4K vs 1080p, etc)

[@FrostyBrows]

You need to set your consoles to 'Limited range RGB' to avoid crushing blacks. The marseille products do not support Full range RGB.

[@goldenfreddy-gj5wy]

mClassic is great for Nintendo Wii, best set up is with a HDMI adaptor while mClassic is set on green.

[@captainthunderbolt7541]

You picked a lot of bad resolutions. Outputting the Wii U and PS3 at 1080p is kind of pointless, as the console itself is doing most of the upscaling from 720p.

[@Xweapon9099]

Would you benefit from running PC games at lower resolutions for better frames and using the mclassic to upscale

[@RobNoireGaming]

Hard to say honestly. If your PC is already pretty good, it’s going to output better than it would look running through the mClassic, but if your pc is more towards the low end, you could potentially see some improvement

[@rodriballario]

Hi! I don’t understand english a lot, but i want to ask you a question. If i put a movie on a ps3, i will get 4k resolution? Or 1440p? Thank you for the video!

[@RobNoireGaming]

In theory you should be able to get 4K (according to the specs) but personally in all my tests, I could never get it to go beyond 1440p

[@rodriballario]

@@RobNoireGaming Thank you!

[@David-nq8cv]

Which would you recommend getting, the mCable or mClassic? 🤔

[@RobNoireGaming]

Definitely the mClassic, it’s overall better than the cable

[@ΣωτηρηςΓεωργιου-ξ5θ]

I already use the mcable on my PS3,to reduce some at least of the jagged shimmering lines on stairs floors windows doors tables,but it's completely useless,so what's the new with the mclassic adaptor I'm gonna see any improvement for this issue?

[@RobNoireGaming]

Not really, you’re going to get a resolution bump up to 1440p - and their filters, etc, seem a bit more effective than the cable but not massively. Not worth buying if you already have the mCable

[@ΣωτηρηςΓεωργιου-ξ5θ]

@@RobNoireGaming Thanks for the response. And what if i used mcable+mclassic combine? And first of all,what cause that issue????

[@xXRenaxChanXx]

Don't forget most TVs don't support 240p and instead detect it as 480i. Which smears the image even farther.

[@RobNoireGaming]

Very true. 240p is very poorly supported on modern TVs and monitors.

[@Phantron]

you should have used the MayFLash HDMI adapter or the Hyperkin cable for the Wii. the output is MUCH better than a cheap HDMI adapter.

[@bluechips5042]

How do you hook up the mclassic to the hyperlink cables? Do you just plug it into the hdmi output then into your tv?

[@RobNoireGaming]

Cables into the Mclassic into my capture card into the tv. There may have been adapters involved like a female to female hdmi adapter, been quite a long time since I made this video, I can’t remember the exact setup.

[@relev6567]

I don't really understand "24/30hz" in the chart in the converstion chart of the mcable. most games on 360/Ps3 and some on switch are 30fps capped, so normally this games must be upscaled to 4K righr ?

[@RobNoireGaming]

You would think games capped at 30fps would work, but it would still only output to 1440p. The only stuff I’ve managed to get to scale to 4K is cinema content (24fps)

[@relev6567]

@@RobNoireGaming ahhhh too bad, my tv only have 1200p as intermediate resolution i guess it's not supported :/ I got a second-hand mcable gaming edition for $40, I liked the AA/reshade and 1080p upscale, but I don't think I'll take the mclassic if I can't have 1440p with my screen and don't really see a big difference with the two products used together. probably wait the next dongle/cable with better 4k support. great vid btw, the comparison between the 6 differents quality of OOT show real work to test the product !

[@justdan247]

I've been watching a stack of videos trying to decide what gives the best picture quality for Gamecube games on 4k nowadays, but you seem to be the man to ask! :) Would you now go for: Gamecube + Swiss forced 480p + GCVideo device (GCHD, Carby or Kaiko) + mClassic......or.....Wii + Sewell HDMI adapter + mClassic? I'm going round in circles! If it's too close to call, then tbh the cost saving of the Wii setup may clinch it...Have you got any thoughts on this please?

[@RobNoireGaming]

I find that the GameCube HD devices tend to give better quality overall than the ones for Wii (and Sewell adapters are really hard to get right now!) so if your only focus is for GameCube, that’s what I’d personally recommend

[@justdan247]

@@RobNoireGaming That's great advice thank you, I'll go the GCVideo route in that case! :) Also, a huge thank you for taking the time to reply, it's massively appreciated! I can't justify the extra cost of the EON for it's additional features though...would you go Carby or Kaiko personally? Or is the picture that much better with the GCHD that the extra price is justified regardless of it's extra functions?

[@RobNoireGaming]

If you only need HDMI out, I would recommend Carby - good price, great service & great guy who makes it. The EON MK2 is only worth it if you want everything (component Wii cables out also, etc). I haven’t heard much about Kaico so can’t really weigh in on that one - the picture quality is virtually the same between the devices in all the tests I’ve seen (they all run a variation on the same tech), unless things have changed in the last year or so. It’s more build quality / options / service that separates them

[@justdan247]

​@@RobNoireGaming that's awesome, thank you!! I think I'll go the Carby route in that case - thank you again for taking the time to reply, you've been a huge help!!

[@michaelmiller7205]

Thank You for this really good Video! I Play ps2 and ps3 (maybe in future ps1) Games on ps3 and i think a mclassic would Be very great for me

[@bartfratze9529]

Hmm i really dont See any difference with the mclassic on my backwards ps3 playing nfs underground on my sony 4k tv. Really sad, bad Resolution with or without

[@jimjamsam3482]

what resolution screen did you test with?

[@justinrickner1140]

I am considering one of these.. Silly question can I run it through my soundbar (arc) and normal HDMI to TV or does it have to go directly to tv?

[@Ursaul]

Would this work for a PS Classic?

[@dylnjshua4256]

Hi Rob! Thank you so much for this information! I know you said the sweet-spot is around PS3/360. I’ll be using a PS3 for this! Should I set my resolution in my PS3 settings to anything before I plug it in? Currently my PS3 is in 1080P resolution. Thank you so much! :) I have a 4KTV by the way :)

[@jordanmillraney5481]

You can set the blu rays to 1080p to let the mClassic or mCable do it’s benefits to upscale to 4K. 720p for games to let the mClassic upscale to 1440p if your tv supports it or mCable upscale to 1080p and 480p for DVDs to let the mCable upscale to 1080p or mClassic at 1440p if your tv supports it.

[@dylnjshua4256]

@@jordanmillraney5481 Thank you! So I should set it to 480P for DVDs? Thank you so much! :)

[@jordanmillraney5481]

Yes because the maximum resolution that DVDs do is 480p which is the bare minimum resolution the mClassic or mCable can work with.

[@jordanmillraney5481]

I should note that Upscaled 4K on regular Blu rays isn’t going to be like a 4K UHD Blu ray picture with HDR10 or Dolby Vision. I think most people haven’t upgraded to 4K UHD Blu rays yet. They still have regular Blu rays.

[@dylnjshua4256]

@@jordanmillraney5481 Thank you so much for this information. Subbed!

[@TheMyn00ts]

What happen if you put an AV to HDMI converter and then put the mCable into the HDMI output? Does that work? Or do you imperatively have to mod your console so it run HDMI without going through such things?

[@RobNoireGaming]

It works, as long as what you’re putting in is a supported resolution over HDMI, the device it’s connected to doesn’t really matter. But the higher the quality of signal you put in, the better it looks on the other side, meaning if it looks pretty bad coming out of the converter, it’s just going to look a little less bad with the Mclassic hooked up at most.

[@TheMyn00ts]

@@RobNoireGaming Thank you for the quick response! Really appreciated I searched for HOURS but at least now I know exactly the result I should expect! THANK YOU

[@LonghornsLegend]

I don't understand if this is plug and play where or how is this installed on the og Xbox? It would need a converter so any kind?

[@pokepress]

You’ll need to convert the signal from the output connector to HDMI. Typically this means either using a dedicated Component to HDMI converter, or a specialized cable that plugs into the output connector of the system and does the HDMI conversion internally.

[@calebb7012]

I want your shirt. Where'd you get it?