6 Players Who FORCED Rule Changes In The NHL

[@RobTalksHockey]

Can you name a player who forced a rule change? Part 1: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d2bdlaeer9SMiq8 Part 2: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q3WrXmCEbaukhtE

[@jcanfieldschatz]

Matt Duchene's offside..

[@TheNighthawke502]

A funny one is Brodeur's playing of the puck throughout his defensive zone....he was so good at it that the league had to purposefully create a rule restricting him to around the net (which was when the trap was created, I think) so that the opposing team at least had a chance to get the puck on net! 😅😆

[@dk8583]

Avery obviously.

[@antti-8812]

Reijo Ruotsalainen who is resbonsible for rule that UFA players who are signed from Europe during season, need to clear waiwers before they can play. Reijo was know for that he start the season on Europe but ended it on NHL and he did this atleast 5 years on row. (seasons here starts 1-2 months ahead NHL and ends 1-2 months before

[@saturnscx]

Roger Neilson, canucks coach asking his goalie to pull out of the game, but leave his stick in front of the goal, so that it could intercept a long shot from the other team.

[@barsk1]

Pitkänen's injury still breaks my heart. Hybrid icing used to feel so weird when it was introduced, but nowadays it feels stupid thinking 2 guys were going maximum speed straight towards a wall just to touch the puck first.

[@TeemoQuinton]

Now if only they would do the right thing and remove the trapezoid and get rid of legal icing on pk

[@NicholasHume]

Even as a Bruins fan that hates the Penguins, it's clear to see Dave Steckel intentionally hit Sidney Crosby. If it was an accident, he would've looked back to see what he hit.

[@deathsicon]

As an EMT and a player, keeping your head up is a sure fire way to minimize the chances of taking a concussion inducing hit, we definitely needed the rule changes as another layer of protection, but your gonna get drilled if your head is down

[@michaeljones436]

Like you said, "Keeping your head up will help with getting out of the way of concussion inducing hits!" However, the NHL has always had dirty/head hunting players. Since the early 80's up to todays players, their training, their strength, their size has increased so much that there's no wondering injuries have become more severe! Especially the Concussions. This rule has benefited the NHL players immensely. According to recent studies, NHL hits are 25% to 30% harder and more severe than NFL hits. The average NHL hockey player is is around the 195lb range, whilst the average NFL player is 210lbs and up. Yet the the speed and momentum of a cross check or shoulder check in the NHL is so much harder a hit than any other sport. This rule is definitely saving the careers and lives of hockey players world wide.

[@deathsicon]

I didn't disagree with the rule changes for head shots, I am slightly concerned that one day they might take the protection a little too far as society softens, but as it sits now I fully agree with it all

[@michaeljones436]

@@deathsicon I wasn't arguing with. I agree, there are a lot of rule changes in many sports that are taking away the natural thrill of the game. Gary Betman has now softened 2 sports, 1st was the NBA. Now with the NHL. You're right, to many rule changes badly affect the integrity of the sporr!

[@michaeljones436]

@@deathsicon I wasn't arguing with. I agree, there are a lot of rule changes in many sports that are taking away the natural thrill of the game. Gary Betman has now softened 2 sports, 1st was the NBA. Now with the NHL. You're right, to many rule changes badly affect the integrity of the sporr!

[@nickfelde5453]

Mad respect to the every child matters shirt in the back brotha 👊 the cause needs more international attention

[@Skepdog]

I am not sure I would count 2011 as early to the concussion game for a sports league. I remember playing Rugby in 2001 and there being concussion tests implemented at that time. Sure the NFL knew about and essentially downplayed concussion since about 1994 but other sports were taking it a little more seriously early on. Absolutely good on Hockey for making the change though.

[@bhavikpatel3526]

Since Torey Krug's hit on Robert Thomas, players can't play if they lose their helmet (and don't put it back). That was a rule change at the beginning of the 2019-20 season.

[@balticblues8130]

As a blues fan, I remember that like it was yesterday!

[@jacobking962]

And it’s a dumb rule, great play great hit

[@chrisdavis273]

I suffer from post traumatic concussion syndrome from hockey. I genuinely appreciate that last part. My life has forever changed. No more sports for me.

[@milanek1527]

Work through it! Lets goooo!!! Get healthy

[@ethanfitch3788]

'Back in the 60's' 7:20 shows Calgary and San Jose

[@jadebeardy6165]

Gotta appreciate the Every Child Matters shirt in the back

[@gregoden6509]

But not ever child matters

[@NMaster-lp8yz]

Nobody wears that shirt on the south side of Chi-raq. I mean Chicago.

[@abdullahassad3654]

Ok indian

[@leez3091]

@@abdullahassad3654 lol

[@safejewel2072]

As a child myself, I can confirm that children do not matter.

[@HearKittyTor]

Amen to your comments on head shots and concussions. I was on the rink during a pickup when a player was knocked out by a puck to the face mask. They weren’t out for very long, but didn’t really know where they were and as they figured out where they were, still didn’t remember anything after pulling in to the parking lot at least an hour before the impact. Scary stuff.

[@kiker0909]

Boomer hockey was 20 mph slower. So happy the NHL addressed the blind side hits and head shots.

[@imherecauseyourcommentwasc1222]

Old people were ok with serious future head injuries and career ending dirty hits. I love me some fighting but the dirty shit was slowing the game down.

[@j.thomas7128]

*"Millie" hockey* is for young childlike whiners and crybabies. Diving, interference, cheap dirty hits... when skill lags, they whine, cry, and sob.

[@COSMOKRAT_616]

The fact that $5k is the largest fine in the NHL is absolutely ridiculous. Guys like Brad Marchand can slew foot, and throw elbows to the head with intent to end a players career and if they ruin somebody all there is is 5k amd a suspension. Absolutely unacceptable

[@chrismccarty7128]

Brodeur has two in the Rule book. The Sean Avery Incident where he was intentionally blocking harrassing Brodeur for new York to score on him to win the Playoff game..... and the Trapazoid behind the net being a sfe zone for the goalie

[@jcanfieldschatz]

I'm an Avs fan and I will totally admit that Mikko definitely embellishes. He gets away with it more than not.

[@AlexSilver9]

My nickname for Subban is the P.K. Submarine, DIVE DIVE DIVE!

[@grahamdamberger7130]

5:46 It's spelled and pronounced Makarov, not Markov.

[@blueshky]

As soon as you said "Panarin" I yelled "MAKAROV!"

[@sashaozerov3827]

Calgary flames elite alumni :)))

[@myotiswii]

Today at training someone did what looks like diving. He just lost his balance although no one was around

[@A14-j7g]

Waiting for Subban's inclusion in the Diving Hall of Fame

[@alisonsingh1900]

Sean Avery pestering Martin Brodeur turned facing him in the crease…it needed a rule!

[@Proxyy7]

I thought for sure that was going to be one

[@TheBollocksPictures]

The Sean Avery rule is probably the weirdest. I mean there had been over 100 years of hockey and no one thought of that before?

[@ahahahaha496]

Or it had been thought of before and everyone that thought of it had a second thought right after: That's just a dick move. Nope not gonna do it.

[@shoeboxbistro]

The Crosby hit looks really bad in the slow-mo, but at speed it looks like Crosby is spinning while Steckal is trying to cut around him to follow the play but idk

[@mattyoung6474]

I think thats exactly what happened but either way even if he went to hit Crosby he had no intention to hurt him was a simple hockey play that happens in every single league from house league to the pros

[@mattyoung6474]

@@ProfileRacing89 bro when did I say that whatever happened to you was a normal play haha if you have seen the actual replay or watches the game when it happened you would've realized he didn't lean towards Crosby they colored as Crosby turned his head if he wanted to hurt him he could've practically killed Crosby but he didn't he barely clipped his head an innocent play that had a consequence happens in every hockey league example Tavares this year in the playoffs but keep bitching about cracked ribs buddy

[@antonyzmolek1234]

Crosby turned just enough into steckal's path. Unintentional IMO, but thats why you keep your head up/on a swivel, and not just puck/ball watch

[@Rometiklan]

Another great vid, Rob! Gary "Suitcase" Smith was a goalie who always wanted to score a goal, so he had a tendency to skate out of his net, and past his own blueline. One time he even skated past center and up to the Canadiens' blueline to take a shot, but Smith got injured on the play when JC Tremblay nailed him, so the NHL changed the rule so goalies can no longer skate past center ice.

[@Outta-hz1ej]

Huh. I always wondered why it was specifically the red line. Thanks! I remember when Patty Roy got a penalty for dangling Gretzky out of his jock.

[@RobTalksHockey]

That's a good one!

[@zogos_4120]

Robs uploads just get better and better man. This guy does not miss EVER.

[@burby9625]

This mans ´stache is a godsend

[@blackxskull101]

Better than matthews

[@burby9625]

@@blackxskull101 Mathews is a wannabe Escobar

[@RobTalksHockey]

Haha!

[@burby9625]

@@RobTalksHockey and he actually replies! Keep up the good work man!

[@QenaitheCustodianGuard]

Sam Bennett's brother right here

[@richardtherichard26]

So on the topic of concussions. I played hockey from the time I was 3 until I graduated high school playing for my varsity team. I’ve had only 1 confirmed concussion, the only time I was ever actually tested, but I suspect that I actually had many many more. Currently at 27 I still get splitting headaches if I spend too much screen time or if the screen is too bright for too long. I have hypersensitivity to light, I’ve got black out curtains in my bedroom bc the sun hurts my head. My attention span has shrunk, and I’ve gone from 20/40 vision (literally better than perfect, I saw things @40 ft as if they were at 20 feet) to now needing reading glasses. I’m really glad this is getting the attention it deserves bc I’m a prime example of how detrimental head injuries, even undiagnosed, can be to day to day life.

[@marcobaart1633]

it is Sergei Makarov, not Markov. Love the content!

[@XBX_ONYX]

Man what's the song at 7:04 it's so nice 👍🏻

[@drfritz3517]

Best hockey channel on KZbin

[@STARPHASE]

People always love the whole 'off the floor, on the board' thing. Which, yeah, is pretty incredible....but then you hear Kariya talk about it, and the fact that he doesn't even remember it. That hit, and probably more so the fact that he kept playing, ended his career, and that is just terribly sad.

[@dsc4178]

Still can't believe Suter was allowed to play hockey after he crosschecked Kariya in the face after a goal. Still the worst thing I've ever seen in hockey that went unpunished.

[@sandysexton6570]

I don’t remember if Dale Hunter got punished for nailing Pierre Turgeon, but I think that was disgusting and cheap. I believe that if Turgeon didn’t get injured, New York would have beaten the Montreal Canadiens. That’s what I wanted to see! …… and I was ripped off. Another disgusting act … perhaps the worst … was when Mark Messier highstticked Rich Sutter, knocking out 6 teeth. Messier only got 6 games …… it would have been so much better if he would have gotten 40 games. This would have sent a real message!

[@fooglez]

One of the many reasons Kariya has nothing to do with the hockey community after retirement. He’s salty, for good reasons.

[@kevinalexander6812]

I think you mean Until repeat offender Tom Wilson pulled his shit last year. Repeatedly, brutally physically assaulting not one but two players, then standing in the penalty box flexing like a gorilla and only receiving a $5k fine. Proof right there that the NHL Department of Player Safety is not a serious or legitimate entity.

[@braydenmartin3666]

@@sandysexton6570 Hunter did get punished, and was suspended for like 20 games iirc

[@withers91]

8:22 "It seems crazy that I grew up in an era, where concussions weren't even taken seriously. It seems like a no-brainer to me..." ... I see what you did there...

[@thanefalkner6156]

Just started watching your channel. I must say you look exactly as you sound. Great channel.

[@AndrewK80]

I don't like seeing anybody get a concussion, but with the new rule, there is way less hitting now because it's impossible to always avoid contact another players head at full speed since it's in the center of their body. I miss that part of the game.

[@justincredible5414]

You guys wait Rob's caterpillar is going to become a thing of legend.

[@Chiaomori]

it really is crazy how much concussion awareness changed, i remember we used to joke about people taking too long to get cleared and people counting how many they had like a record... thank god i was a keeper 😂 kept my teeth and only got mild tinnitus

[@EdMurphy13]

lucky. had a friend who was a goalie but had to retire at the jr level because of to many concussions.

[@gabrielmainville7359]

Nikita Kucherov is the worst diver in the league. The guy always act like he's been smack, even when he's just getting barely touch

[@chucker625]

I thought Hybrid icing came out after the Kurtis Foster incident.... or did they wait another couple years?

[@carverdahlin2728]

Roger nelson, who put a defensman in the crease instead of their goalie on a penalty shot. The defensman charged the shooter and blocked the shot easily. Hence why a goalie has to be in net for a penalty shot.

[@tonys07ss]

the 25 year old rule seams like a good age to me only because you have men still finishing college and not being drafted until they are 24

[@madsismad9113]

he's still just whining about a rookie award; it means nothing and is more like a pat on the back than a true accolade

[@luckylex12]

Great Channel man! Where you from? Whats your team?

[@RobTalksHockey]

Vancouver x 2

[@ortonjr82]

I fully support the rule brought in that cracked down on headshots, but I maintain that the play that caused it was an accident. Steckel doesn't lean into crosby like one would when they're finishing a hit. As unfortunate as the play was, and as amazing as the rule that followed it is, ultimately it was like the play that hurt Tavares in this year's playoffs. An accident

[@dwaynegreene152]

Love the ECM shirt bro.

[@anonymousrex5207]

I just hope the league keeps up with trying to prevent players from diving. Basketball and soccer are already unwatchable because so many players spend all their free time diving and trying to draw a penalty. Now it is becoming more of an issue in hockey and football, which are still my favorite sports, but it gets harder to watch the more players trying to draw chicken shit penalties instead of just playing the game.

[@trve_ingvar]

Am I missing something? Because none of the clips of Subban here show him diving, a little exaggeration, sure, but no dives

[@k20a_dave]

in my opinion crosby was a good embelisher at some point of his career.

[@jasonmorehouse3756]

His entire career

[@adriankalitka3762]

I just want to say that I'm a Rangers fan but I don't think that the hit on Crosby wasn't exactly intentional. I think that he noticed Crosby and wasn't going to get out of his way to not hit him. I just don't think that he really wanted to hit him in the head but did want to give him a hard bump

[@JohnWhyDoe]

The good ol' goldeneye soundtrack earned you a like. N1.

[@coreyhill681]

One I know about is reviewing offsides because of Matt Duchen, how did you leave that out

[@RobTalksHockey]

In another part

[@coreyhill681]

@@RobTalksHockey OK 👍 sounds good

[@Asymmetrical-Saggin]

Rule 48 was ALL about the money flow. Bettman still doesn't think concussions are severe

[@jonathancosby1429]

Great video but you could’ve included the Sean Avery rule too

[@Sean-John]

Im suprised when talking about concussions you didn't bring up Markus Naslund Steve Moore Todd Bertuzzi

[@jcanfieldschatz]

What happened to your Avs Stadium Series jersey? 😏

[@RobTalksHockey]

It's coming back one day

[@simbiant4]

without a doubt the worse dive belongs to: The Toronto Maple Leafs.

[@rags15061]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 nice

[@jettajetsfan4681]

8:12 nice pic

[@Ronkde]

Wait what, the illegal hit to the head rule is surprisingly recent

[@carrietj1]

You should do a video per original 6 team on their history

[@oldfrend]

that hit on paul kariya still makes me wince. scott stevens should've been thrown out of the league for that. legit could've ended a superstar's career. i'm a lifelong kings fan but watching kariya play was a rare joy with his explosive speed and going 110% all the time.

[@Tovarofthehillpeople]

What's the channel with videos of your dog

[@RobTalksHockey]

Secret

[@Tovarofthehillpeople]

@@RobTalksHockey killin me Smalls, we need more of your dog

[@goalscorerlajon]

A BASKETBALL ad after A HOCKEY VID.

[@pieking4]

no Sean Avery? he single-handedly forced the NHL to not change, but implement an entirely new rule.

[@FBCGodfather]

He's done other videos on this subject. He's in there

[@briancollins6878]

Subban is not the worst offender and diving! CROSBY is up there too.

[@nateballou3321]

Pk subban is definitely the diving king! He's also the king of illegal slew footing!!....another thing the refs seldom seem to catch him doing yet he does it in every game he plays! He's not always successful but he attempts it in just about every game he plays! Anytime there's a scrum along the boards and puck is pinned for a bit just watch and you'll see Subban usually slowly move in behind a player from opposing team who's try to dig for the puck and you'll see Subban position himself with one of his legs behind other guys and then he'll shove em or grab em and pull back on em a Lil to try to get them to trip over his leg...often times he'll stick his arm around in front of players chest while having his leg extended behind other guys legs and he'll swing his arm backwards to force guy backwards over his leg!

[@chillsn]

My friend had the puck, and hit an edge in the ice, with some dudes stick was coincidentally touching his ankles and he drew a penalty

[@bowdenproductions]

1:30 😂 … BITCOOONNNNNNECT!!

[@RobTalksHockey]

Legends get this.

[@pensdude4390]

Matt Duchene(Learned that from your other videos):)

[@indianheadlogan]

The diving should stop when the water turns to ice

[@adampastor210]

Do most confusing free agency signings ever? (i.e. Taylor Hall signing with Buffalo)

[@isaacwest276]

I actually wish McDavid would dive more. He plays at such a speed he gets slashed so much without anybody noticing until you see it on slow motion.

[@Proxyy7]

Luckily for us non-oiler fans, he can't do that because then he'd end up going face-first into the boards at 500km/h because he is a living cheat code

[@Wgraz25]

I BROUGHT THE DOG BACK!!! POWER 100

[@lightweave]

Every time a watch a soccer game (which doesn't happen to often anyway) I'm really glad that diving is despised in hockey and even gets penalized!

[@sa35992]

I remember growing up, if you got hit hard, you just went back to the bench, and the coach asked you how many fingers he was holding up, then put you back on the ice

[@imherecauseyourcommentwasc1222]

And?! What’s your point old man

[@sa35992]

My point is that times have changed a lot over the past few decades, so people don't have to deal with what we had to deal with P.s. I'm not an old man, youngblood

[@TBone004]

How was the Scott Stevens hit on Kariya even legal at the time? It was also like two full seconds late??

[@Proxyy7]

I can't remember if it was actually called, but it definitely should have been interference according to the rules at the time

[@skidart9063]

I can't believe I lived through the helmet optional era lol

[@tmoonias807]

Nice shirt in the background

[@georgemartin5980]

If the KHL wants to be regarded as a top-level professional league, once you're not a rookie there, you shouldn't be a rookie in the NHL.

[@walkingcorpse2704]

It was on purpose, Crosby didn't have the puck at all during that situation. This is coming from an Avalanche fan

[@shmeatloaf3281]

The worst head injury in NHL has to be Bill Masterton.

[@henerymag]

Ted Green and the stick fight with Wayne Maki was a bad one. Green was very lucky to survive.

[@craigjones7343]

Diving makes Hockey look like Soccer. Soccer players are the kings of diving.

[@JFoster1320]

Since the league likes to call both the offending player and diving player to the box. Maybe the league needs to make driving a double minor (4 mins) and the offending player gets 2 mins. When the players realize that diving gives the other team a power play and they get scored on it, they may stop diving.

[@RoyalMela]

By diving you already penalize your team as you lose a powerplay. In case both players get a penalty.

[@atomant451]

That was no shoulder that decked Crosby, that was a right hand made worse because he had his stick in it, for Stoickle to have hit Crosby with his shoulder he would have to have jumped, Crosby isn't a short person.

[@ortonjr82]

David steckel is 6'6. Crosby is 5'11. While you're right that the injury was an accident, steckel would not have had to jump to make contact with Crosby's head

[@puckspirit2573]

But players still aren't allowed to wear sufficient head protection... I've been to like 7-8 games this season and in two of them a player would leave the arena in an ambulance because he received a puck to the face

[@sksaddrakk5183]

Could you explain please? As far as I know you are only allowed to play if you do indeed wear a helmet. What kind of helmet you wear is up to you as a player. Most players prefer a visor only , as it does not 'fog' and offers therefore the best sight compared to the 'grille' ones which lots of players claim has an inferior field of vision due to the 'bars' criss-crossing same. However, here in Europe all the youth teams have to wear helmets with 'grilles' to protect their teeth/faces/eyes... even if they happen to play in the professional league, they still have to wear the 'junior helmet' if they are under a certain age (I believe the threshold is 18 but do not quote me on that). EDIT: In fact the IIHF rules state QUOTE: 9.7. FACIAL PROTECTION There are three (3) permissible types of facial protection which can be attached to the front of a Players’ helmet: a visor protection, a cage protection, or a full-face protection visor. All Players born after December 31, 1974, must wear, as a minimum a visor as a facial protection. The visor face protection must be properly affixed to their helmet, and must extend down in such a fashion as to ensure adequate eye protection, to cover the eyes and nose in its entirety. It must be fixed to the helmet along the sides so that it cannot be flipped up. A Player whose visor face protection becomes cracked or broken during game action must leave the ice immediately. Players are not allowed to wear a colored or tinted visor. Participating Teams in an IIHF Competition must ensure that their Players are equipped with a helmet manufactured and approved specifically for ice hockey and that, as applicable, a visor or a full-face protection is properly attached to it. Specific rules and guidelines for appropriate head / face / neck / throat / mouth protection for Women's Hockey and Men's Junior “Under 20” and “Under 18” categories. UNQUOTE: I hope the NHL has similar rules in place...

[@puckspirit2573]

@@sksaddrakk5183 IDK about Europe, in russia you must wear full face protection if you're either under 18, a woman, or you've recently had a face trauma. In other cases it's visor only. It's VHL (local professional league) and junior league I'm talking about. If you're just a hobby player, sure, wear whatever you want, we have like 50/50 grilles and visors

[@sksaddrakk5183]

@@puckspirit2573 I see, well lets hope that VHL will follow the lead of the international rules as soon as possible... I think it is irresponsible to not allow players to wear full face protection...

[@nateballou3321]

That hit on Crosby was definitely intentional! I'm sure other guy said it wasn't on purpose and it was an accident but I don't believe it!...that was one of those Accidentally On Purpose hits where player acts like they aren't trying to hit the guy and try to act like they aren't paying attention and didn't see the guy they hit but that's bullshit...that guy saw Crosby wasn't looking and moved so he'd clip him in the head on the way by!

[@entername5363]

Imagine battle of Alberta with one penalty box.

[@christiansvenjimmiekarlsso1876]

they should do the embarresment route in football too! the neymar rule

[@snicky3594]

Lollllll rip Jake Evans. Loved tht huge hit

[@ayoutubechannelwhosubbedto968]

4:28 joe blandisi

[@Rawwrrzz1]

I know I've heard the background music from a game but cannot point my finger on it. HALP!

[@RobTalksHockey]

Which part?

[@Rawwrrzz1]

@@RobTalksHockey at the pk Subban part for sure. I think goldeneye remix ish?

[@Budnik93]

Ma-KA-rov! Not Markov.

[@greasygod93]

That’s always my argument when people wanna get woke and ban fighting in hockey. I’m like if you want to protect players it’s those open ice hits and hip checks that cause the most damage.

[@danwilliams3695]

I hate the NHL's idea of "Rookie" a rookie is a playing in their 1st year of professional competition in that league, hands down. This should be the qualifier for the NHL and would make the award more prestigious because an actual kid would have to win it. Sorry "For Real" Kaprizov and Panarin - they should have never won these awards.

[@rylanfeakes]

Kucherov is by far the biggest diver in the league

[@StoneMason103]

When I was younger my dad told me Sean Avery was a diver, so I hated him. I now think he’s hilarious but still

[@timomajere]

10 months late but best diver ever in NHL .. Claude Lemieux. after that.. Ulf Samuelsson.

[@christopherkendall-hardin3433]

Mike Smith by far

[@shawndalley9018]

Here's a realistic point for a tripping You're gonna go there and that will not be appropriately

[@justincase5905]

Divvy Crosby 2 on list

[@Goldscythe]

Ugh, I got head and neck aching from just seeing Crosby getting smacked. Body checks, fine, head... Nu-uh.

[@sashaozerov3827]

Sergei Makarov is a flames legend and I will fight on that hill