4 Players Who FORCED Rule Changes In The NHL

[@RobTalksHockey]

Can you name a player who forced a rule change?!

[@Matthews34]

Sean Avery but u prob put it in the vid

[@idontgivetkachuk]

Damn Rob, this was gonna be the video I was making for this week 💀💀💀

[@Matthews34]

@@idontgivetkachuk I feel bad, did u start?

[@idontgivetkachuk]

@@Matthews34 Yee but it’s aight. Ppl make the same stuff all the time. Ofc mines gonna be a bit different so.. Still a great video by Rob! Was a good watch

[@Matthews34]

@@idontgivetkachuk Still will watch it and Rob, he didn’t copy ur vid

[@taskforceknight9336]

Fighting isnt going to disappear. It may have reduced but brawling and scraps will always be there as you have to answer the call when your teammate gets cheapshotted or laid out by a big hit. The Battle of Alberta last season proved this

[@foxstarproductions]

Let's ignore empirical evidence, advancements in understanding concussions and spout rhetoric from a decade ago. Ever heard a "tough guy", "enforcer" interview 5 years after retirement. They can't string together a sentence.

[@Slypooch]

Studio Zero so? Its still stupid to get rid of fights you choose to fight.

[@Slypooch]

Studio Zero should we get rid of boxing and ufc too?

[@Puddin44]

@@foxstarproductions more concussions occur from hits not fights

[@foxstarproductions]

@@Slypooch Is inevitable.

[@dombourque7772]

The Gretzky rule. It is where off setting penalty’s were created because the oilers would get penalty’s with the other team so it would be 4 on 4 and they would just give the puck to Gretzky so he would have more room on the ice

[@foxstarproductions]

There's the Gretzky Hockey Draft rule where he was essentially split into two players. You had to take his assists or his goals. I'm from Calgary and wasn't old enough to see Gretzky play until LA and then even barely. But I still know all the beat downs the Great One gave us lol.

[@jakehobson5023]

Sean Avery Rule: No waving your stick in front of the goalies face.

[@samuelkim9794]

I was going to say, and brings back martin brodeur incident 😏

[@RightTwoOwn]

It probably wouldn't of been so bad if he didn't turn around and have his back against the play. It was obvious that he was only doing it for one reason.

[@erictmtl]

But its worked, they score on this powerplay.. Now its a unsportsmanlike conduct 2 min penality

[@NeverlandSystemPixie]

Avery was a punk... Honestly as dumb as that antic was, it was far LESS effective than if he'd actually been playing and not basically turning even strength to a 4-on-5 effort.

[@glennshaffer3111]

Sean Avery. *Dont waive your arms in front of the goalie*. when i saw him do this i laughed so hard but the NHL banned the move right after the game he did it in.

[@matthieulafontaine3370]

"known mostly for his commercials..." Ouch... Hope he doesn't end up watching this lol 😂 what a slap to the face to the goalie with most wins in a career lol

[@rnemovr59]

I didn't even know he did commercials until this video.

[@mc1992]

St Louis blues legend

[@matthieulafontaine3370]

@@mc1992 best tendy the Blues ever had. Very close to Hasek and the Sens

[@killhouse6130]

Yeah really wtf is he saying how can you have a hockey channel and not know marty is one of the best goalies ever THATS whats hes known for

[@matthieulafontaine3370]

@@killhouse6130 Woah there big fella calm down now lol. Never said he was a moron or anything like that, I just found it funny how he downplayed the guy a tad bit going off his tone of voice lol. I wouldn' be here if he was so the fact I even said anything about it shows how I value what the guy says to begin with. There's a few idiots out there that does this for the wrong reasons and he isn't one of them

[@Matthews34]

It’s always a good video when RTH the goat posts

[@shanenfld]

He would be better if he could pronounce they players names correctly.

[@eagle12]

Goalie equipment size, due to goalies wearing lacrosse gear to make them bigger. Garth Snow

[@belledorris1973]

Hahaha that was funny he was huge.

[@akilpanju9012]

Crosby came up with the "no touching Crosby" rule

[@romanadomitis2400]

Dubois should’ve been suspended then

[@name028hfjsiwh2]

And also “no touching McDavid” rule

[@highmedic2351]

He suffers enough abuse.

[@highmedic2351]

@@name028hfjsiwh2 Cap.

[@tiger5869]

In my opinion, penalty shots are supposed to simulate breakaways, so anything like a spinorama that would slow a player down that much shouldn't be allowed. I also think Patrick Kane's move at the pace of continental drift while showing off a thousand stickhandles should be banned, but that's harder to make an objective rule against.

[@PSkyukido]

Disagree. A penalty shot is not a breakaway simulation. It is a separate and unique situational play, and the fact that it primarily comes from 1 man breakaways is coincidental.

[@charlesstich1821]

It is not coincidental. The rule was made BECAUSE of breakaways. They added other goal scoring opportunities later, but it came about because they got tired of guys deliberately taking penalties on guys on breakaways.

[@travisobrien1533]

It has to do with physical capabilities of goalies too. Players can come to a dead stop and shoot off in almost any direction at high speed, whereas goalies have a delay in stopping and changing directions. If players are allowed to move too slowly or stop moving forward and change directions it's almost impossible for a goalie to stop, impossible if the player does it right.

[@billbeliakoff5589]

Are you suggesting that spinoramas be banned on breakaways too ?

[@scj8863]

@@billbeliakoff5589 They just don't happen because 98% of the time, there's a guy right behind you chasing you down.

[@warrenchambers4333]

Roger Neilson, when pulling the goalie, would have him leave his stick across the goal line. They had to make a rule!

[@PetterHughes]

Timo Meier forced TWO rules in 2019: -Hand passes leading to a goal are reviewable (after Meier hand passed the puck to Karlsson for the OT goal) -The qualifying offer of a contract is the lesser of 120% of the cap hit, and the final year salary of the contract (after Meier was signed to a 4 year contract of $6mill AAV with the final year salary being $10mill)

[@thatguy108]

In have been watching him since he had 2k subs and his quality is amazing

[@dukestorm8813]

Yeah I have been watching him since 998 subs and it has been great

[@Off_the_COUCH]

This channel has the best hockey content on KZbin

[@Fishprotrophy]

Good for you

[@saulihaapaniemi8883]

The Crosby rule, forcing NHL to redefine the slashing penalty after he chopped Methot's finger off

[@skyevitiritti]

As always, love your content. How about a video looking at the history of the penalty shot, the emergency goalie, ice preparation, or goalie equipment?

[@mazejolt]

Yes, Fighting in necessary in the game of hockey, in fact it should be more "common", Just look at how much the Star players are/have been targeted, Like Crosby/Malkin/Kariya/MacDavid just to name a few.. if the teams had a enforcer like Macsorley, Parros, Dave Schultz, Semko, George Parros, Joey Kocur, Domi. I think the star players would be alot more protected on the ice, and WOULDNT recive as many cheapshots as its now...

[@loicmburanumwe5879]

Fighting isnt necessairy. Enforcers Who only Play 4 to 7 minutes per game have no place on hockey. At least on my opinion.

[@mazejolt]

@@loicmburanumwe5879 I respect that opinion, but let's just toy with the idea that u are a super star player like Matthews, Crosby or someone similar, would u rather be "targeted" by the other team, or would u like to have an enforcer on ur team to protect u if players on the other team plays dirty to try and "throw" u of your game?

[@PainfulJoy]

Its worth noting that Tsujimoto has won 100% of the NHL games he's played in. Of course he's still a legend to this day.

[@95VideoMan]

Great video! I could see fighting slip away and not miss it. Love the new graph background btw!

[@desmondben8576]

There was a fan named Brittanie Cecil. One player was shooting the puck and it deflected off another guy’s stick into the audience striking her in the head which lead to her death. After that the NHL implemented a rule requiring extra safety netting at both ends of the rink in all arenas.

[@tiger5869]

Fighting will and should remain in the game as long as players find value in having teammates who will stand up for them. Hockey's self governance system does a service to the game by letting players take out their frustrations and grudges in an understood and relatively controlled outlet instead of by delivering cheap shots that could end up being a lot more dangerous.

[@sparrow-we7ip]

Brodeur and Enterprise mesh like peaches and cream.

[@anonymousrex5207]

I'm surprised the Sean Avery rule didn't make the list as its one of the most famous rule changes in recent years

[@MikeJackEatsHeat]

It’s in the first video.

[@williamwoodsworth441]

Hull foot in the crease! Terrific video Rob, probably your best ever!

[@RobTalksHockey]

Thanks dude!

[@urbanoutdoorsman5654]

Bobby Hull used to hand curve his blades back when everyone used wooden sticks. His extreme curves were known as the "banana blade". This gave him an advantage when he unleashed that big slap shot and is why there are now limits to the amount of curve allowed.

[@caseysmith544]

This could be done even easier now with the Carbon fiber or the older style fiberglass head and aluminum handle type of stick.

[@Deflection]

great video as always!! Merry Christmas and happy holidays to you and your family.

[@shanelarocque1181]

"Known mostly for his rental car commercials". You're kidding me right?

[@Supisiciiiiiiii]

Take care Rob! Thanks for the great content!

[@Squahsism]

Pierre marc-bouchard did the spin o Rama against the Blackhawks in 2006. I had to look up the year, but I remember being at that game when I was a little kid and me and my dad just going absolutely bananas seeing that for the first time. Him and I will still bring that moment up when we talk about going to wild games. Probably a memory I'll have for the rest of my life

[@alexisiskooll]

Funny enough, I recently had to submit my argument report to ‘why fighting should be banned in hockey’ as assigned by my instructor even though I personally don’t think it should be banned lol

[@knightfall7534]

Someone doesn’t respect the game lmao

[@jmstransit]

Idk about you, I always associated the "Spin-o-rama" with Mason Raymond

[@ChuckyDoll79]

You must be young. Spin-o-rama was mostly the trick of Denis Savard.

[@jotsky3668]

it always remind me of when i was a kid and played nhl video games and one year they had taken it out and i was so confused and upset 😂

[@squirt626]

Almost there Robbie, keep up the great work

[@bl3590]

1:29, me crying, because i remember the fight of Mike Tyson vs Roy Jones

[@JK_35]

“Known mostly for his car commercials, I hope that was sarcasms. The funny part about the trapezoid it kind of also eliminates offense the other way too. If you go back and look at how many break aways and offensive opportunities were created by goalies taking dumping and getting the puck up to their players in a hurry creating lots of odd man rushes. So even though it’s there to create more offense, it’s doing the opposite at the same time

[@travissunderland3914]

Yeah, not only that but the trapezoid doesn't prevent the goalie from going behind the net, it prevents them from going into the corners like Brodeur would do. That was a very unclear explanation he gave.

[@popphaneuf]

The worst rule ever. Like you said it killed so much breakaway chances. So many times I’ll pass the puck to my player in the neutral zone and send him on a breakaway while the other team was doing a change up.

[@thechessnerd]

before I’ve watched: didnt Jean Béliveau change the penalty rule to stop once a goal is scored ?

[@extremelycareless2541]

I believe it was whole Canadian team.

[@thechessnerd]

@@extremelycareless2541 didn’t Béliveau scored like 2 of the 3 goals

[@bobbyhulll8737]

The Habs in general because their PP was so lethal

[@thechessnerd]

@@bobbyhulll8737 imagine its actually Bobby Hull responding haha

[@bobbyhulll8737]

@@thechessnerd curved blade rule ?

[@thaddcorbett2148]

I'm still not cool with shootouts. They REALLY need to give 3 points for a win in regulation to balance things out so that teams don't play for the loser point.

[@sebastianfries274]

Not NHL but in a game of pickup some guy infused kevlar into his chest plate, effectively making him a tank, kneeled infront of the net, and just stayed there taking a grand total of eighteen shot blocks, and if the puck left the zone he would basically become an extra defenseman, thank god he didn’t hit anyone, but that’s all I can remember about the Kevlar Kevin.

[@simplyskrypt3914]

Taro tsujimoto lmao i had never heard of this, i love it. Good for you buffalo XD

[@xcandy007x]

i love how much you have changed from the last time i saw your channel. you got my follow now. if i can give feedback, do you. you said not to check back on your old videos you’re self-aware be confident. ur dope.

[@wazzurp42]

Gino Odjick would also remove his jersey during fights to prevent opponents from grabbing onto his jersey to get leverage.

[@user-rk8jr9sq6b]

Navi makes a very quiet audible appearance at 6:53 haha. Ring Tone? xD

[@itsyeboi7976]

I’m glad this video showed up in my feed because I think I just found my new favourite KZbinr

[@Penguins-uf8qf]

fighting is one of the best parts of hockey

[@truehockeyfan1179]

If fighting is banned cheap shots go up because there are no consequences and more concussions

[@alyssinwilliams4570]

HA! I knew I wasn't crazy! While I'm not old enough to 'remember' the Tsujimoto thing, I do remember reading about it in the.. 90s maybe. But for some reason I got it stuck in my head that it was Montreal who did it, and since I could never find info on Montreal pulling this prank, I was starting to think I had dreamed it up. Thank you Rob for helping!

[@Swoop187OG187]

P-M Bouchard was the first player to use the spin-o-rama in a shootout....

[@garyndarby5502]

Fighting is a tradition in hockey, and even though it’s occurring less, it shouldnt ever leave hockey

[@thebatman8895]

Martin Brodeur is known MOSTLY for being the winningest goaltender in NHL history. He just happens to do rental car ads now that he is in retirement.

[@gmsubzeropsp]

Based off your explanation of the Spin O Rama, it sounds more like a clarification to an already existing rule because of the Stopping forward momentum. So yes, it should stay banned unless the rule of continuous forward momentum is also changed.

[@APigthatflys]

I'm surprised there hasn't been a mention of stick-length changes in 97. Obviously Chara wasn't directly responsible for this (imagine Z playing with a 58" stick instead of a 63" one), I'm pretty sure the NHL proactively increased the size limit for people like Z who are...well, nearly 7 feet tall.

[@caseysmith544]

Yes, and the rule of a penalty of players who are under specific heigh of __ using a different players longer sticks of those granted permission to use such a stick due to the players height from a player not granted such permission.

[@Rometiklan]

HahA! Rob Ray! One time after a game between the Canucks and the Sabres back in the early 90s, I was able to get Mogilny's autograph and Rob Ray's. Ray got into a fight against Gary Valk that night, and Valk really held his own. After the game, the Sabres emerged from the dressing room with some fans waiting for autographs. Nobody on the Sabres was willing to sign except Ray, and Mogilny only signed one card: mine. Every other player ran past the fans onto the waiting bus. While Ray was signing, someone from the bus yelled out, "Hey Ray, hurry up will ya?" And Ray yells back, "Hold your horses, I'm signing for my fans!" He was sporting two black eyes and looked like a raccoon but he made sure everyone got an autograph before he got onto the bus. The guy was a prince.

[@RobTalksHockey]

Awesome story, thanks for sharing!

[@Ohhelmno]

I wonder what the actual text of the rule is for the spin-o-Rama. I wonder if you could get around it by making sure the puck stays moving forward instead of taking it back around with you. just putting the puck to your backhand where you can reach it and spin independently of the puck and then whack it in.

[@nicolechardiet5366]

Rob what website do you use for hockey stats

[@RobTalksHockey]

I use Hockey Reference, Elite Prospects and Evolving-Hockey for the most part!

[@TerrysTwigReviews]

Another top quality video !!

[@DEPALMARULES]

jason blake spin was actually gorgeous. good forward momentum

[@swinkmibby]

At 1:10 I thought you were going to talk about the "don't drive with dany heatley" rule

[@lando.50]

Right after the time you mentioned his car commercials an ad for Chevy came on and I thought you edited in the ad he was in 😆

[@ferociousfil5747]

Brodeur was great at handling the puck but the issue was the trap. Where a team stops the other from entering with the puck. The solution is dump and chase. That is where Brodeur comes in as he would play the puck and so preventing the “dump and chase”. Other goalies did it as well but none as well as him hence the “Brodeur” rule came to be. It’s only in the NHL, international play and other Europe leagues don’t have this rule as the trap is not played as much since the ice surface is big enough to not make it efficient

[@greathoonta3461]

Spinorama absolutely had to be banned. It completely went against a fundamental rule of the shootout which is how you have to keep the puck moving forward. Players have done it since through pushing the puck through their legs as they do it to keep the pucks momentum, but the goalie could just poke check it off of the player so it’s no longer a preferred move.

[@thesportymusketeers1286]

I saw the Eli Wilson jersey in the one clip! I go to that goaltender camp!!

[@prestonking4328]

We need fighting like if you agree

[@jamesmiller9136]

Rob, Thank you for talking hockey.

[@lynn-marieflechner5406]

Hey, OHL action! And double hey for Kitchener being showcased

[@demetridrivas3202]

Where can I get fighting courses?

[@Polytrout]

Actually, it was the Pittsburgh Penguins who deliberately tanked to get Mario Lemieux. Former Bruin goalie Eddie Johnston became the Pens' GM and played set a record for the greatest number of players to dress for a game in a season. Ironically, it was Eddie Johnston who later advocating draft rule changes to keep teams from throwing games.

[@billyspendlove439]

The game as gained a UK fan, because of the fighting. I'm staying for the hockey but to allow players to handle disputes on the ice, I think should never disappear. It's so unique.

[@keithkelly8708]

Montreal Canafiens forced the rule change of full 2 minutes penalty to stop after a goal as they were too powerful on powerplay

[@grantmason3251]

yeah, didn't they get like 5 goals on one power play way back

[@Matthews34]

I think it’s better with less fighting, like in the plays in a 2 on 1 then a fight ruins it. I like a fast pace game like how it is today with less fighting

[@ronaldwayne7092]

I'm fine with the amount of fighting that currently exists; I'm more anti-enforcer. Now fights actually have some stakes to them, rather than the same old McRae/Kocur/Twist/Domi dustups.

[@masokotanga7356]

5:04. Official almost slips and falls from trying to lean on Rob Ray..

[@jasonwee4305]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but didnt the Montreal Canadiens force the Power play rule, that after a goal is scored on the power play, the penalty would be over?!

[@kurt1s53]

wasn't there a rule change about waving your stick over a goalie while screening and/or facing the goalie while screening because of Sean Avery

[@loupgarou1317]

The "Brouder" rule was because he was going in to the corners , and whit the "no contact" rule for Goalies he could as you say dump it right back out ....

[@bradsteele7637]

I think that the trapizoid and crease should be the only areas where a goalie is protected from being hit. Let them play the puck anywhere else they want, but if they do they are fair game to being hit, just like anyother player.

[@loupgarou1317]

@@bradsteele7637 That would be a good change to the rule

[@popphaneuf]

@@bradsteele7637 as a goalie I totally like that idea. That trapezoid rule is the worst ever but it would be great for the safety of the goalie. Out of that box and crease it’s fair game.

[@mondredgaming8927]

The Trapezoid was a bad rule change in my opinion. without it you had Goalies like Brodeur who could move the puck up ice quickly and help his team get a scoring chance and on the other side of the coin a goalie that was bad with handling the puck could turn it over and create a scoring chance against him. I feel there was just as much or close to the same give or take a few scoring chances before the trapezoid rule was added.

[@anonymousrex5207]

Mike Smith is a great example of this... he is great at playing the puck, but also gives up 5 to 10 bad goals per season from being out of the net.

[@samueltornberg]

The trapezoid is the dumbest rule in all of sports. I want the goalies to play the puck more. They frequently cough it up and create goals for the other team. And stop the dump and chase, pass the puck to your teammates, not the end board.

[@mondredgaming8927]

@@samueltornberg another thought from watching videos I like how if the goalie plays it outside of that stupid trapezoid the game stops and causes a delay of game and gives the goalie a penalty for delaying the gamy. like no your rule delayed the game

[@vengezize2708]

Brooo my English class has one of the choices to argue if fighting should be banned or not. Perfect timing

[@Erikkef]

Rule 24.2 isn’t no spinoramas, it’s a procedural rule indicating that the puck starts at the centre dot after a penalty shot is awarded.

[@drew3851]

Fighting should never EVER go away. First and foremost the entire goal of sports is to entertain. Fighting is entertaining and unique to hockey and instead of shying away from it the NHL should promote it. For those who whine about concussions how first do some research and realize most concussions come from body checks NOT from fighting. I will point you to the documentary Ice Guardians as it may change your mind about the direction of the league.

[@JimmTheSwede]

Just want to wish Rob and everyone who reads this a merry christmas and a better 2021! I can see You passing THG if You continuing on this path, Rob. He has turned into a Mr know it all who just spits out low quality videos with "news" and stats that You might as well just read on Elite Prospects with the occasional ranking video here and there. If You don't agree with him, You're a "hater" or just stupid and he cries af about it. He's just turned into a random casual fan that has his jerseys paid by other fans watching his videos and I honestly can't stand the type he has become with the growth of his channel. He offers nothing new and has just as little/much knowledge as any other hockey fan, yet in his mind he is above all. Don't ever turn into that and keep your content as evolving, fun and entertaining as You do and You most certainly will get to over 100k subs in 2021. Have a great holiday in this shit year everyone! Peace from Sweden.

[@ED-lf6nt]

this guy is the Mike Korzemba of hockey and I love it

[@chrisfleming3078]

2 Sabres rule changes?! Love it

[@berniewiebe6963]

Wayne Gretzky led to the unofficial "not allowed to hit protected players" rule

[@marsdun]

I’m in this vidéo! Nice! J’espère que les bagarres deviendront « rare ». « je suis pas le l’école des fiers à bras » nate braden, slapshot

[@mrex3553]

why no spinoramas?

[@FightingForceSoulless]

That Roger guy, that kept putting too many men on the ice so the game would stop, and he could preserve a late lead. Or, same guy, telling his goalie to leave the stick on the ice, so if a puck is going towards the empty net, it gets deflected.

[@ArtyI]

3:51 is this Gibby?

[@shannonstaley6802]

Fighting should stay. It is fun to watch

[@lyledeporiss5937]

The OHL used to be so saturated with talent it was incredible

[@rustyshackleford3263]

The shootout takes away from the purity of the game.

[@Jim-pq9pm]

Agreed. Bring back ties. Modern goalies are getting inflated win stats

[@Time-Eraser]

Please don't bring back ties. Just do regular overtime till there's a winner.

[@idontgivetkachuk]

Didn’t know Stammer was the reason you couldn’t spin in a shootout 😂😂. Great job Rob!

[@jordantanner4981]

I thought it was mikhal grabovsky that made them implement that rule to be honest

[@RobTalksHockey]

I included Stammer as the headliner because he was a major reason why it got popularized. To be honest, this was more so a combined effort

[@MadManMcGirt]

defences purposly dumping the puck over the glass to slow down the game, give the team a change to change stop offence, etc.

[@zogos_4120]

Honestly the rules are so weird. It’s just situations happen that are weird

[@adamcartwright4096]

Manny with him getting low to win faceoffs made the league change the rule about winning the draw with your hand.

[@PWNSdaily]

So.. who was the single player that got the spinorama banned?

[@kevinchow3974]

Alexandre Daigle. He is the reason why there is draft lottery in NHL. Teams are deliberately losing game to get the first overall pick

[@chrislaverick6413]

Why did the league opposed to tied games? Were they losing viewership on games ending with a tie? Were teams sitting back?

[@spookerredmenace3950]

the Sean Avery rule was big!

[@kevinlitton1399]

Rob Ray wouldn't just take his jersey off, he would sew his shoulder pads to his jersey and modify them so they would just tear away when the sweater came off.

[@adriankalitka3762]

Rob Ray actually sewed his pads to his jersey and wasn't strapped down so it would come off when someone grabbed it and pulled

[@bionicnarwhal7709]

brodeur wasnt the only reason the trapezoid was implemented. interference was almost not existent in the 90's, so the devils would play the trap, mug and steal your lunch money forcing you to dump the puck in the zone. as you are getting mugged by scott stevens, brodeur would fling the puck up ice and get the devils easy chances. on a side note, this defensive system is often used as an argument as to why brodeur is not the #1 goalie of all time.

[@habsfanhighlights1317]

“No licking lmfao

[@yesmccauky748]

I was saying to my self TARO TSUJIMOTOOOOOO anddd he says a player that didn’t exist I was like lolllll

[@wadephillips947]

There is a place for fighting in hockey. As a former player I believe it keeps the cheap shots down.