Rocky Marciano vs Jersey Joe Walcott 1 // Highlights (The Ring Fight of the Year)

Rocky Marciano 185 lbs beat Jersey Joe Walcott 196 lbs by KO at 0:43 in round 13 of 15
Date: 1952-09-23
Location: Municipal Stadium, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
World Heavyweight Championship (2nd defense by Walcott)
A left hook from Walcott floored Marciano early in the first round. It was the first time in his 43-fight professional career that Marciano had been knocked down. He got up at the count of four.
Going into the 13th round, Walcott was ahead on all three official scorecards. Early in the round, Walcott backed up to the ropes and began to launch a right hand, but Marciano beat him to it and put him down for the count with a right to the jaw.
The fight was named The Ring Fight of the Year.
The 13th round was named The Ring Round of the Year.
The fight was named the 16th Greatest Title Fight of All-Time by The Ring in 1996

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When "The President" Nigerian Ike Ibeabuchi met "The Tuamanator" Samoan David Tua the Nigerian got out to an insanely fast start, throwing 91 punches in round one according to CompuBox, 91 again in round two, and 95 in round three, obscene numbers for a Heavyweight. By the final bell, Ibeabuchi and Tua had combined to throw 1,730 punches, breaking the Heavyweight record set by Ali vs. Frazier III, when they combined for 1,591 punches - in 14 rounds, two rounds more than Ibeabuchi and Tua had to work with. Ike threw 975 punches, the most ever by a single Heavyweight. Both fighters had a brawling fight style, they were both 24 years old at the time of this epic "tribal" battle and they were both undefeated going in to this fight. 226lb Tua's record stood at 27-0-0 23KO's while 236lb Ibeabuchi's record stood at 16-0-0 12KO's. This fight is the stuff that dreams were made of. Two Super Heavyweight warriors stood toe to toe exhibiting exceptional heart and endurance. Both boxers threw bombs and neither took a backward step. After the fight Ibeabuchi complained of a headache and was taken to a hospital. He underwent several tests including an MRI scan but nothing abnormal was found and was immediately released. A week after the fight Tua had surgery to remove bone chips from his left elbow. And Ike's in🎃sanity had nothing to do with anything he injested lik-roids, he was too paranoid of medications to take anything illegal. Ike was an anomaly, one in a million. No heavyweight of his generation possessed more ability. He was a prodigy. He had amazing power. He had fierce determination and he had no fear of anybody, and he believed that he was the King, that nobody could beat him. He’d walk into the ring and you would almost have this vision of a bull coming at a matador with the steam coming out of the nostrils. Unfortunately, here was a very scary man both in and out of the ring. And it’s unfortunate that we’ll never know what could have been. Bob Arum: "I don’t know, but it was the Heavyweight division and people love a puncher, and while he probably couldn’t have made what Mike Tyson made, but he would have been damn close. You know, hundreds of millions of dollars, sure. But again, again, that’s life, that’s life. You have to be a person, you have to be sane, you have to comport yourself with some kind of dignity and some kind of grace in order to realize that type of reward, and he couldn’t do it." 21 months later, 245lb Ibeabuchi confirmed that he was indeed the best up-and-coming heavyweight on the planet by knocking out undefeated 26-0 quick and slick southpaw Chris Byrd. Ibeabuchi was 20-0 with 15 knockouts, only 26 years old .. and he never fought again. Byrd: "I got a little arrogant, thinking I’m unhittable. Cause I just thought, Oh man, he can’t hit me! I’m gonna slip everything. And, boom, just got caught. When I got knocked down the first time, I got, literally, the canvas woke me up. I was asleep before I hit the ground, and when I hit the canvas it woke me up. I asked the referee why he stopped the fight? What are you doing? "The bell rung!" But my bell was still ringing, that’s what was ringing, was my bell." 245lb Ike Ibeabuchi would have been the heir to Lennox Lewis throne. The Klitschko's would have been gate keepers if he was around. Ike was a Super Heavyweight with serious power, great speed, chin of iron, a boxer and a brawler, freakish stamina, threw punches in bunches and had a ridiculous work-rate with KO written all over his punches. *Little 184lb cruiserweight Rocky Marciano gets flattened by the 245lb prodigy Ike Ibeabuchi 10 out of 10 times and that's not even debatable!*

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Larry Holmes made 20 defenses of the heavyweight title over a seven year reign and probably should have retired 48-0. Larry is considered to have the best jab in history. He could use it as an offensive weapon to make openings for his slashing right hand. Holmes possessed a rock-hard chin, huge heart and excellent stamina. "Joe Frazier decimated opponents with the left hook. George Foreman’s wrecking ball right hand struck fear into the heart of the heavyweight division. Mike Tyson’s uppercut was as accurate as it was pulverizing. But for Larry Holmes, it was the stick, that face-busting left jab that led to one of the most dominant title reigns the glamour division has ever seen." -- Tom Gray January 2020 issue of The Ring Magazine Larry fought professionally from 1973 to 2002. That's 29 years. Larry was 52. Rocky only fought 8 years before he quit. Rocky was only 31 when he quit. Little Rocky would have to fight 21 more years to catch Larry. *"If you really want to get technical about the whole thing, Rocky couldn't carry my jock strap."* -- Larry Holmes

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According to Marciano himself, Muhammad Ali would have won. Rocky said three boxers in his lifetime were a bridge too far for him, a young Joe Louis, Sonny Liston, and Ali. Louis for hand speed and power, Ali for pure speed, and Liston for technical excellence and pure brute strength. --by Mike Stanton and Fight City Rocky Marciano said of Liston: “He isn't faking his toughness, and his strength is just something you got to see, and that jab, he can knock a man out with the jab!" When asked how he would have fought him, the Rock shook his head and said “I’d have done my best, but Lord God he is strong…”

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Joe Louis' 8 fight winning streak which helped him become #1 ranked contender before he faced light heavyweight Rocky. Below is the (6) boxers ring-worn and washed (as evidenced by scoring only 2 KO's in his last 12 fights) Louis beat: #1) 196 lb Cesar Brian had an abysmal 36% KO's. Brian's career record of 49 wins 11 losses looks okay until ya see 25 of his wins came against his fellow Argentinians. #2) 191 lb Freddie Beshore had an abysmal 24% KO's. His career record was 28 wins 10 losses. 5' 9" Beshore was on a 4-fight losing streak before he faced Joe. *Why would Joe even consider fighting someone who had just lost 4 fights?* #3) 187 lb Omelio Agramonte. *Oh wow, oh my, i watched their entire fight and Joe looked terrible, absolutely terrible. What was Joe thinking? He should have stayed retired.* Omelio looked as if he only weighed 165 lbs. #4) 194 lb Andy Walker had an abysmal 17% KO's. His career record was 18 wins 20 losses. *It's clear as day what's going on here.* #5) 188 lb Omelio Agramonte -- *Why Twice? We all know why!* #6) 190 lb Lee Savold. Even the announcer said, *"Joe Louis reflexes are but a memory."* These two should have been retired. *They just pushed Louis through towards Marciano so everyone could fill their pockets with $$$.* Savold had a career 45 losses and was KO'd 12 times. #7) 197 lb Cesar Brian -- *Why Twice? We all know why!* #8) 180 lb Jimmy Bivins 5 feet 8.8 inches (1.75 m) light heavyweight Bivins had an abysmal 27% KO's. Yes Jimmy was a Hall of Famer. But he was a Hall of Famer @ light heavyweight, not Heavyweight. *This is the 'Heavyweight' division we're taking about right?* *Talk about bum-of-the-month-club WOW. It was obviously a predetermined carefully hand-picked set-up.* Boxing-elites, Italian-mafioso, and the IRS really needed Joe to be ranked #1 inorder to get their Louis vs. Marciano $$-SHOW-$$. The only loyalty the Italian-mob had was to $$$. Hey, they took 50% of Marciano's earnings and all ticket sales, all in all $2 Million. $2 Million in 1955 is equivalent to $21 Million today. *In May of 1950, the IRS finished a full audit of Louis's past returns and announced, that with interest and penalties, he owed the government more than $500,000. Louis had no choice but to return to the ring. The Louis camp negotiated a deal with the IRS under which 36yr old Louis would come out of retirement, with all his net proceeds going to the IRS. After boxing Joe ended up in the pro wrestling circuit and they still took his money. But that gig finished when Cowboy Rocky Lee lunged onto him with both feet, his boots colliding with Louis' torso. The crash cracked three of his ribs. It left him with a cardiac contusion and officially ended his stint as a wrestler. Children used to send him one dollar in the mail. In his biography he said a child walked up and handed him a dime. When Joe was broken physically and mentally the IRS finally stopped collecting. He lived with friends until he died.*

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Hall of Fame Heavyweight Champion Sonny Liston was a muscular 6′ 1½″ powerhouse weighing 220 lbs of pure brick. He had iron in either fist and could put an opponent on the mat quickly with either. Sonny was the most ducked fighter of all time. Even Joe Frazier’s team refused to fight him. Liston in his prime was the real deal. He was a great fighter.

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Puncher of The Century Earnie Shavers is known for being the hardest puncher in Heavyweight boxing history. He scored 69 knockout wins, including 23 in the first round. So powerful, both Joe Frazier and George Foreman told boxing writer Jerry Eisenberg they would never fight Shavers. Real fighters knew enough to avoid him. His incredible one punch power made him more than dangerous. George Foreman told him personally when Earnie lobbied for a fight, "hell no." Joe Frazier told Shavers bluntly when Shavers asked him for a shot, "No way, Earnie.” Hall of Fame and all time greats Ali and Holmes both said Shavers power, especially his one punch power, was simply unrivaled. But they, and others, also said a lot more.. Angelo Dundee, the great trainer, said "Earnie wasn't really a good boxer, but God, his power was amazing." Muhammad Ali said after his match with Shavers, "Earnie hit me so hard, he shook my kinfolk back in Africa" And when fighters had to meet him, they left in awe. Tex Cobb said "Earnie could punch you in the neck with his right hand and break your ankle." He also said, "if a man hit any harder than Earnie I'd shoot him." Ron Lyle: "Hey man, that's the hardest I've ever been hit in my life. And George Foreman could punch, but none of them could hit like Earnie Shavers did. When he hit you, the lights went out. I can laugh about it now, but at the time it wasn't funny." Larry Holmes, comparing Shavers to Tyson, said "Earnie hit me harder than any other fighter, including Mike Tyson. He hit me and I was face down on the canvas hearing saxophonist Jimmy Tillis." Jimmy Young, who was knocked cold by Shavers in his first fight, but survived the second, said "I was not gonna get tagged by him again, no sir!" Nor were fighters and trainers the only ones who saw and marveled at Shavers sheer overwhelming power. Hall of Fame sports journalist Jerry Izenberg said of Shavers, "rarely did Earnie hit anyone below the neck; he was a headhunter and a good one. For me, Shavers was the greatest one-punch hitter I have ever seen." "However, while Shavers struck serious fear into his opponents, such freakishly big hitting power had its drawbacks for the man himself," said Kenny Rainford. “Being such a big puncher actually hurt my career,” says Shavers. “I relied on my power too much. I wish I’d had trainers that could have taught me more about combination punches." “I used to gas out in five or six rounds because I put that much effort into my punches and it was impossible to punch for an entire fight without tiring out." In the years that followed, Rainford met Ali and asked him about the famous fight with Shavers. “I can not remember the last round of our fight,” Ali admitted. “He hit me so hard that for fourteenth round, I was on autopilot. I can’t remember a thing. When I’ve watched the fight back, and see the way I rallied in the fifteenth round, I was doing that off memory.” Shavers reigned down on Ali with 266 punches that night. Afterwards, Rainford claims, the New York commission stated Ali would never fight in New York again after doctors discovered tears on his brain. Eig's study, conducted by Arizona State speech scientists Visar Berisha and Julie Liss found that Ali's speech slowed by 16 percent after a 15-round bout with Ernie Shavers in 1977. Shavers, a brawler, landed 266 punches throughout the fight. If one fight had to be picked, Ernie Shavers inflicted the most damage. Shavers is directly responsibly for the early retirements of Ron Asher, Frank Smith, Bunky Akins, Bill McMurray, Harold Carter, Eddie Parotte and Larry Sims, all of whom he knocked out and never fought again.

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"Joe Louis was the biggest name on Marciano’s resume, but he was 37 years old and had lost much. By the time of their fight the once legendary Louis had long since lost his once devastating punch” as Nat Fleischer wrote, "Louis depended greatly on speed, timing and sense of distance for his hitting power. His lost reflexes robbed him of his explosiveness and therefore his punching power."

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Chuck Wepner who fought both Liston and Foreman said that compared to Liston, Foreman was Mr. Friendly. He said that getting hit by George was like getting hit by an incredibly strong man, getting hit by Sonny was like getting hit by a baseball bat. Wepner left the ring of the Liston fight looking like he had just been in a horrific car accident. The fight was stopped by ring doctor after the 9th round, Wepner had 6 massive cuts to his face that required the most ever 338 stitches[1] and was pouring blood everywhere, his left eye was swollen completely shut, his cheek as well as nose were broken. 1. Chuck describes his record 338 stitches -- 'Chuck Wepner interview with Tony Polito' @14:20 ( Liston expert, Paul Gallender said, "Sonny Liston was killed by the mobsters, with a heroin overdose, because he didn’t throw the Wepner fight")

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"Possibly the greatest left jab in the history of the heavyweight division. That left jab could go through brick walls." -- Bert Sugar

[@jerrylanglois7892]

I think you're referring to liston's jab ? If so, why would you say that for this marciano video ?

[@johnhatchel9681]

​@@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MDCool. I saw Bigfoot smoking weed with Hitler.

[@mrdefinitely8769]

Two absolute warriors in every sense.A fight like this would be worth billions in today's world.

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Walcott *had already been retired for ((4)) years!!! Walcott was fighting professionally when little rocky was only ((7)) years old!!! Little Marciano never faced an ATG in his prime!!!*

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Combined Walcott Charles Moore Louis already had 431 fights before they fought Rocky. Add the 96 fights Louis had during his 4 year military service, that's 527 fights not to mention Walcott and Louis retired for 6½ years. Those four were already ring worn and washed. Anyone that says otherwise is biased.

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*EZZARD CHARLES WAS 100% FACTUALLY HANDICAPPED WITH LOU GEHRIG'S DISEASE WHEN HE FOUGHT MARCIANO TWICE IN 1954!!!* Ezzard said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* There's no room for debate, too many reputable witnesses. If in doubt file defamation lawsuits against Ezzard, his family, his trainers and William Dettloff. (Renowned physicist Stephen Hawking lived with ALS for 55 years).

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*According to Marciano himself, Muhammad Ali would have won. Rocky said three boxers in his lifetime were a bridge too far for him, a young Joe Louis, Sonny Liston, and Ali. Louis for hand speed and power, Ali for pure speed, and Liston for technical excellence and pure brute strength.* - Rocky Marciano, Mike Stanton, Johnathan Eig and Fight City *"Marciano admitted he could not beat prime Louis, Ali and Liston."* - Monte D. Cox Boxing Historian This information is HUGE and settles any debate as to who could beat who *!!!!*

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1946 *(Rocky's amateur bouts)* 1. April 15, 1946 Henry Lester *(L-DQ3)* 2. August 23, Frederic L. Ross KO-1 3. August 23, Richard Jarvis KO-1 4. August 23, Joe DeAngelis *(Loss-3)* 1947 5. January 17, Jim Connolly KO 1 6. Jan 17, Bob Girard *(Loss-3)* *1947-03-17 Professional Lee Epperson fights Amateur Rocky Mack aka Rocky Marciano. Then Rocky goes back to the amateurs Jan, Feb, March 1948.* 1948 *(Rocky's back to amateur bouts)* 7. Jan 26, Joe Sidlaskis KO-1 8. February Charlie Mortimer KO-3 9. February George McInnis TKO-1 10. March 1, Coley Wallace *(Loss-3)* 11. March Fred Fischera KO 12. March George McGinnis W-3 *1948-07-12 Professional Harry Bilazarian fights Rocky Marciano. Don Cuoco & Don Cogswell just started legal proceedings to remove the Rocky Mack fight vs. Lee Epperson bcz once Professional you cannot go back to the amateurs.* Louis Bravely fought *(17)* years...........Rocky only *(7)* years Walcott Bravely fought *(23)* years.......Rocky only *(7)* years Charles Bravely fought *(20)* years.......Rocky only *(7)* years Moore Bravely fought *(27)* years.........Rocky only *(7)* years Savold Bravely fought *(19)* years........Rocky only *(7)* years Matthews Bravely fought *(19)* years...Rocky only *(7)* years LaStarza Bravely fought *(14)* years.....Rocky only *(7)* years Cockell Bravely fought *(10)* years.......Rocky only *(7)* years Lowry Bravely fought *(16)* years.........Rocky only *(7)* years

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"my left eye went when i was young. i was working the speed bag and some steel went in the eye and scratched it to pieces. i was blind in that eye. some doctors were my best friends. we sheltered the story and kept it a quiet. and i learnt the eye-chart by heart." -- joe frazier

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Little 186lb cruiserweight Roland LaStarza's record was 37-0 before he faced little 184lb cruiserweight Marciano. *Honestly it's remarkable that i just so happen to have those awesome 37 journeyman/ham & eggers Rollie fought:* Walter Hafer - 22 wins 26 losses with 26% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jackie Lyons - 32 wins 24 losses with 23% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Carollo - 36 wins 17 losses with 16% KOs *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Weinberg - 44 wins 22 losses with 34% KOs *D-LEVEL* Gene Gosney - 14 wins 5 losses with 42% KOs *D-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Mike Jacobs - 14 wins 16 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Mel McKinney - 8 wins 10 losses with 5% KOs *F-LEVEL* Teddy Georges - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Oscar Goode - 43 wins 23 losses with 20% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tony Gangemi - 21 wins 18 losses with 26% KOs *F-LEVEL* Benny Rusk - 20 wins 17 losses with 27% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred McManus - 18 wins 19 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Holloway - 2 wins 11 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Claude McClintock - 1 win 9 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Steve King - 21 wins 11 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy White - 9 wins 17 losses with 11% KOs *F-LEVEL* Frankie Reed - 2 wins 14 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Mike Belluscio - 15 wins 10 losses with 37% KOs *F-LEVEL* Luther McMillan - 13 wins 19 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Ramsey - 8 wins 12 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Matt Mincy - 0 wins 11 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lorne McCarthy - 2 wins 11 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs *F-LEVEL* Matt Mincy - 0 wins 11 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Zeke Brown - 0 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jim Johnson - 3 wins 22 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Dodd - 8 wins 12 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Al Zappala - 20 wins 27 losses with 9% KOs *F-LEVEL* Zack Johnson - 3 wins 7 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Dave Glanton - 1 win 13 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* #37) Cesar Brion - 49 wins 11 losses with 36% KOs *C-LEVEL* looks okay until ya *see how many of his wins came against his fellow Argentinians* *WORST 37-0 EVER!!!* "There are so many names from his era conspicuously missing from his record. LaStarza's only claim to fame was having lost a close decision to Marciano. Although he had a long winning streak at the beginning of his career, there are no tough names on his record. After the first Marciano fight he could have forced the issue by meeting top fighters. He refused fights with Charles, Moore, Walcott, Louis, Bivins, Maxim, Clarence Henry, Bob Baker etc. In an article in RING magazine after his career LaStarza admitted as much, saying he wouldn't take those matches because he 'deserved' a rematch with Marciano and thought he was offered the other matches by the IBC only because they were trying to knock him out of 'his rightful shot at Marciano.' Boo hoo hoo." *--Chuck Hasson Boxing Historian and Philly Boxing Founder*

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Take a look at Mike Tysons early opponents w/l records. You are partisan against Rocky

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Southpaw Usyk is 6' 3" 221 lbs with 78" reach. Prime Clay/Ali was 6' 3" 218 lbs with 78" reach. Holyfield was 6′ 2½″ 218 lbs with 78" reach. Michael Spinks was 6' 2½″ 207 lbs with 76" reach. Mike Tyson was 5' 10" 220 lbs with 71" reach. David Tua was 5' 10" 240 lbs with 71" reach. And of course we mustn't forget 5' 9½″ 179 lb light heavyweight Rocky Marciano with the shortest ever 67" flyweight reach. According to multiple sources Rocky was actually 5' 9" Shocking isn't it. Those other small guys weren't so small after all. They already had the natural weight or natural height and reach advantage so they were able to assimilate into the Heavyweight division with few to no problems. On the other hand little Marciano had some serious dwarfism problems going on with his reach. Simply put Marciano's bone structure was too short to assimilate effectively. *Don't believe for a second Rocky was 5' 10" bcz Louis was five inches taller!!! Joe was only 6′ 1½″ yet he was giant compared to little Rocky, everyone can clearly see that with their own eyes!*

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Quotes from the book Rocky Marciano: The Rock of his times 2005 author Russell Sullivan "One of the greatest champs ever." - Sonny Liston "Hardest puncher I ever fought." - Joe Louis "The one fighter who might have beaten me." - Muhammad Ali "My manager waited for him to retire before I dared fight him as a heavyweight." - Floyd Patterson The hardest puncher I ever saw in 50 years in boxing." - Don Turner, trainer for Evander Holyfield "Ali wouldn't have tried rope-a-dope on Marciano cause Marciano would have KOd him." - Joe Frazier "Hit harder than anyone I ever fought." - Ezzard Charles "Hit harder than anyone ever." - Jersey Joe Walcott "Like fighting an airplane propeller." - Archie Moore "Trained harder than anyone ever." - Don Turner, trainer "Hit you so hard it jar your kin folk in Africa." - Muhammad Ali "Broke blood vessels in my arm just hitting me. Took weeks for my arm to recover." - Roland LaStarza "One of the hardest punchers who ever lived." - George Foreman If that is not respect, I don't know what is.

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Never seen stamina like Rocky had ... superhuman.

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Rocky is the goat

[@bobbyd1478]

This fight lasted exactly 39 min 43 sec. What happened to the other 36 min? This montage has been spliced, diced, and edited to show best parts. Crowd noise has also been added-in. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. If anyone has ever stepped through those ropes before they'd immediately know that both these guys are wide open and exposed. Rocky looks awful and would be KO'd within seconds today. The jab is the most effective punch in boxing yet neither uses one. Casuals always wonder why they never see these types of amateurish brawlers today. Well that's bcz they'd be obliterated. Undefeated light heavys Beterbiev/Bivol would humiliate Rocky.

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Minimal boxing skills. These guys were street fighters not boxers. Super Heavyweights Zhang Ngannou Parker Kabayel Vitali Foreman Lennox Briggs Peter would annihilate all these little light heavyweights within minutes. Ibeabuchi would definitely crush them. I had no idea how bad boxing skills were back in the day.

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Sports Illustrated writer Tex Maule wrote that Liston's shoulder injury was legitimate. He cited medical evidence: "A team of eight doctors inspected Liston's arm at St. Francis Hospital in Miami Beach and agreed that it was too badly damaged for Liston to continue fighting. The torn tendon had bled down into the mass of the biceps, swelling and numbing the arm." --Those findings were confirmed in a formal investigation immediately after the fight by Florida State Attorney Richard Gerstein, who also noted that there was little doubt that Liston went into the fight with a lame shoulder.

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George said in an interview with Ring Magazine: “Sparring with Liston is the most dangerous thing that I ever did in my entire life. No matter what I tried against him, it was me who had to revert back to boxing. Nobody made me box like Sonny Liston did and that happened every time we worked together. He taught me many things, including the importance of the jab.” A good example of Sonny's sheer strength was an exercise he devised in training camp of loading an industrial sized wheelbarrow full of rocks, and wheeling it up and down a hill. Foreman, 19, and training with "the old man," could only carry one wheelbarrow for every 3 for Sonny: “His strength," said Foreman, "you just can't believe how strong he was!"

[@johnhatchel9681]

You do know Ali dismantled Liston, right?

[@Durango_Kid]

​ @johnhatchel9681 He does not know anything, he is a fool.

[@Studentofsweetscience]

"Nobody hit those bags like Sonny. He tore bags up. He could turn that hook, put everything behind it. Turn and snap. Bam! Why, he could knock you across the room with a jab. I saw him knock guys out with a straight jab. Bam! In the ring, Sonny was a killing machine." -- Johnny Tacco

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"Sonny Liston stood up to me and actually made me give ground. No one has ever done that to me before or since." -- George Foreman

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All Time Great Hall of Fame Heavyweight Champion Sonny Liston had not lost for 10 years before Ali, and didn’t lose again for 5 more. Sonny’s only loss before Ali was early in his career when Marty Marshall broke his jaw when Sonny was laughing at him. Liston fought on with a broken jaw, had it broken again in a second place, and yet only lost a split decision. He twice destroyed Marty in rematches.

[@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez]

Fourteen months after Marciano fights Moore he calls the Patterson vs. Moore match ringside. Marciano is flabbergasted at Patterson's blinding speed and quickly realizes it would be pointless to make a comeback even though every sportswriter across America is begging him to come back after quitting. Problem was Rocky had just witnessed Floyd walk through everything Archie threw without blinking and easily KO’d Archie in 5 when it took Rocky 9 difficult rounds.

[@bobbyd1776]

9 years after Moore fights Patterson Muhammad Ali is doing commentary for the 1965 fight between Floyd Patterson and George Chuvalo and Rocky Marciano was introduced to the crowd. When Ali was asked how Patterson or Chuvalo would fair against Rocky Marciano, Muhammad replied, ' I believe Rocky would knock out either one of these guys in a couple of rounds"

[@jamest681]

It was actually Floyd Patterson that was avoiding Rocky. He delayed moving from a light heavyweight into the heavyweight division until Rocky retired, because nobody was going to beat Rocky at that time.

[@SilverSlugs]

Hog.

[@Studentofsweetscience]

"Liston could scowl as hard as any man in or out of the ring. And, of course, he invented the big stare." -- Joe Louis

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

Rocky was actually 5' 9" (1.75 meters), according to Rocky Marciano's biographer John Cameron; his reach was 67 inches (1.70 meters)--incredibly short for Heavyweight; by way of comparison today's Bantamweights (115-118 lbs) average 67.7". There is no question that light heavyweight Rocky was superbly conditioned by the standards of the day; however, at his average fighting weight of 183 lbs/83kg, between 178 and 188, he was not incredibly lean and he wasn't dehydrated; he was, in other words, a natural light heavyweight. *178 to 186 lb light heavy aka tiny cruiser with tiny 67" flyweight reach Rocky Marciano's resume:* Lee Epperson career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone career record 0 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL* John Edwards career record 1 win 2 losses *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman career record 1 win 6 losses *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson career record 4 wins 2 losses *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft career record 12 wins 8 losses *F-LEVEL* James Connolly career record 12 wins 9 losses *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian career record 15 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson career record 3 wins 10 losses *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell career record 4 wins 17 losses *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron career record 4 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato career record 7 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie career record 10 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard career record 20 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis career record 32 wins 14 losses *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio career record 9 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons career record 9 wins 22 losses *F-LEVEL* Art Henri career record 18 wins 29 losses *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls career record 20 wins 41 losses *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry career record 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino career record 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic career record 18 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman career record 22 wins 21 losses *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate career record 12 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold career record 104 wins 45 losses *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato career record 56 wins 23 losses *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson career record 56 wins 27 losses *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor career record 31 wins 19 losses *D-LEVEL* Fred Beshore career record 35 wins 17 losses *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans 18 wins 8 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross 19 wins 5 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn 20 wins 4 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds 53 wins 13 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards 24 wins 9 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo 16 wins 2 losses looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell 66 wins 14 losses looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews 90 wins 7 losses is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight?* *Even tiny 67 inch flyweight reach Rocky's 5 best opponents, Charles, Moore, Walcott, Layne, LaStarza -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!* IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0: TOO MANY D AND F-LEVEL AMATEUR WALK-IN BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$. OR BEING MADE TO BY THE SICILIAN UNDERWORLD THAT CONTROLLED EVERY SINGLE FACET OF BOXING DURING THE 1950s!!! EVEN LITTLE ROCKY HAD SICILIAN MAFIA BOSS CARBO IN HIS BACK POCKET PROTECTING HIM BCZ THEY WERE MAKING MILLIONS THROUGH HIM. THE DAY AFTER HE RETIRED HE IMMEDIATELY ABANDONED HIS KIDS AND WIFE TO CONNECT WITH HIS UNDERWORLD FRIENDS WHO HELPED HIM START HIS LOANSHARKING BUSINESS. CRY AND SCREAM ALL YA WANT BCZ IT CANNOT EVER SWEEP IT UNDER THE CARPET!!! IT WAS REAL AND VERY WELL DOCUMENTED SO STOP LIVING IN DENIAL

[@kevinconroy9998]

Lol😂😂😂😂

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Muhammad Ali said in 'The Greatest': "With George I had to let him hit me, with Sonny I had to keep him from hitting me!”

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Liston was the most powerful intimidating Heavyweight ever. He never gets enough credit bcz of the two Ali fights which were dubious to say the least. Ali was seen as the bright new future, and Sonny was forced to step aside, and then found dead in really suspicious circumstances when he might "talk" about the deceit. His life story is better than any fiction novel, he deserves more respect than he gets. Before the first Clay fight Joe Louis told Sonny that he was going to bet on him. *"Joe, save your money,"* Sonny said....Now , that's something to think about. It's in Liston's biography.

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Joe Louis said in Gods of War: "It didn’t matter what stance Sonny Liston fought from, he was the best I ever saw.”

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Ali fought both Foreman and Liston, and he said that when it came to George he just had to take the hits and wear big George down, in the case of Liston, he simply did not want to get hit at all. So for Ali it was certainly Sonny that hit harder. Foreman trained with Liston after the Olympics, preparing him for pro boxing. George said Sonny was the only man that had ever pushed him backwards with sheer strength alone. He also said that you were always really careful not to make Sonny mad! I think it is pretty safe to say that Sonny Liston hit harder than George Foreman.

[@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez]

In summary: Ray Arcel said, *"Charles had traces of ALS in 51."* Ezzard's own family members said, *"they noticed signs of ALS in 51."* Ezzard Charles (himself) said he, *"felt weakness in his limbs and some numbness in 51."* That horrible Motor neurone gene presented itself in 51 and Ezzard did not fight Rocky till 54. Ezzard lost 2 out of 4 fights just before he faced Rocky. Trying to deny the fact that Charles had weakness in his limbs (Lou Gehrig Disease) against Marciano in 54 is not possible bcz the eye test does not lie. It happened and is very well documented. Ezzard Charles was only 53yrs old when he passed - Rest easy Champ.

[@josephvitale7086]

Rocky & Joe both were tremendous fighters, they just kept throwing hay makers. I could not help but admire both men for the desire and pain they put themselves through. It's great to be able to look back at the great fights from those years.

[@charleshammer2928]

Rocky raised money to Pay for Ezzard's medical expenses. He also called Ezzard the most courageous man he ever fought. Ezzard split Rocky's nose in half and the ref was about to stop the fight when Rocky knocked him out. They were a different breed back then.

[@bobbyd1776]

Ezzard Charles was diagnosed with ALS in 1968 and died from the disease in 1975. To think that he had it in 1951and lived with it for 24 years is highly improbable. By comparison, Lou Gehrig first noticed the symptoms in 1938, He was diagnosed in 39 and passed away just 2 years later in 41

[@Studentofsweetscience]

From the book 'The Real Story Behind the Ali-Liston Fights' -- "'During the first Liston-Ali fight at the Convention Hall in Miami Beach on February 25, 1964, Sonny had a bad left shoulder. He had gone to see Joe Louis' doctor who treated him for bursitis, but there wasn't enough time for the treatment to work. Sonny was around 45 years old at the time which was a well kept secret. His oldest sister wrote he was born 1919 a year after the Great War. He asked the Florida Boxing Commission for a postponement of the fight. He was turned down and fought the six rounds with the damaged left shoulder, which he completely tore up during the fight."' "'In the second fight at St. Dominic’s Hall in Lewiston, Maine, on May 25, 1965 a really bizarre situation developed. According to Gallender, Malcolm X's people had a hit out on Ali (Ali sided with the rival Elijah Muhammad). Elijah's Black Muslims kidnapped Liston's wife and son. Sonny was told to lose the fight to Ali or he would never see his family again! The fight lasted one round with Liston going down from the famous 'Phantom Punch'."' Argh. This incompetent SOB of a referee. *Ali never went to a neutral corner, only then can the count begin.* Worst decision of all time. Obviously Liston's age (20yrs older than Ali) wasn't enough to secure Ali a win. Liston's kids had to be kidnapped by Ali's friends (Nation of Islam). ( Ali undoubtedly won both fights. *It's just nice to understand why and how they were predetermined illegitimate wins* )

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Tyson in his prime has never been seen before or since. A combination of incredible speed, skill, and flat out aggression. I recognized sheer mortal danger when i saw it. Dude was terrifying.

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Number 1 ranked Roland LaStarza: *"His reputation was built on the first Rocky fight. Although he had a long winning streak at the beginning of his career, there are no tough names on his record. After the first Marciano fight he could have forced the issue by meeting top fighters. He refused fights with Charles, Moore, Clarence Henry, Bob Baker etc. Lost and avenged to overstuffed light heavy Dan Bucceroni and to light heavy Rocky Jones and looked terrible against Jones in the rematch. The Jones win and a victory over the faded Rex Layne gave him the credentials to meet Rocky for the title. Look at LaStarza's record there are no names on it except for Marciano. I have the complete film of the Jones rematch and believe me LaStarza looked terrible. LaStarza NEVER fought a dangerous opponent except Marciano and thats a fact if you know any of the fighters from his era. I am not saying that LaStarza was a coward but he (or, excuse me, his management) refused matches with Henry, Charles, Baker, and Archie Moore. In an article in RING magazine after his career LaStarza admitted as much, saying he wouldn't take those matches because he "deserved" a rematch with Marciano and thought he was offered the other matches by the IBC only because they were trying to knock him out of "his rightful shot at Marciano." Boo Hoo Hoo. Real, confident fighters go out and prove they deserve their shot by beating dangerous fighters to force a showdown with a champion."* --Chuck Hasson Boxing Historian and Philly Boxing Founder

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

Riddick Bowe 6' 5" 240 lbs KOs 73% with 81" reach had a career 43 wins 1 loss. At his peak he was an excellent fundamental boxer, had a great chin, power in both hands, could fight inside or out, and would have been a difficult test for any fighter who ever lived. Trainer Eddie Futch said, "Riddick had more untapped potential than any fighter he had ever known." Bowe was the undisputed Heavyweight Champ in 92 and won the Super Heavyweight silver medal @ the 88 Summer Olympics. Riddick is an ATG Hall of Famer. *Prime 'Big Daddy' Bowe manhandles the little 5' 9" 179 lb light heavyweight Rocky as if he were his Daddy!!!*

[@KingKongbabe]

You are embarrassing yourself with your ignorance. How tall was Tyson.

[@sean367]

Times change so does size and weight

[@KingKongbabe]

@@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD I see you can’t deal with reality 🐵

[@KingKongbabe]

@@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD amateur know nothing 😅

[@KingKongbabe]

@@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD ha ha , I didn’t read any of your comments! Thanks for wasting your time

[@neilmcguinness4422]

After this fight Rocky was full of admiration for Jersey Joe and always said that this was the hardest fight of his entire career. He knew at the end of the fight that he had to knock Joe out to avoid a probable points loss.

[@daimonmarioperez9501]

Rocky was getting Rocked by Jersey. They both landed some tremendous shots. It was a war of attrition. That Rocky won with the KO.

[@Bibledefender4u]

Yes Joe was ahead on points 🤔 I believe the rock actually needed a knockout

[@Corina_June_Cunningham]

Walcott *had already been retired for ((4)) years!!! Walcott was fighting professionally when little rocky was only ((7)) years old!!! Little Marciano never faced an ATG in his prime!!!*

[@bobbyd1776]

@@Corina_June_Cunningham Walcotts 1st fight was in 1930. His last fight was in 1953. That does equal 23 years, the career length you always attribute to Walcott. However, he also, had been retired for 4 years as you stated. So how does that, in your mind, alter his career length? The reason I ask is because you always start Rocky's career in 1948. You don't give him credit for his fight in 1947. If Rocky doesn't get credit for 1947, a year he actually fought, how does Walcott get credit for the 4 years he didn't fight. It doesn't make a lot of sense does it? Well, it makes sense in one aspect. You have one standard for Rocky and a different, and far lenient standard for others.

[@truthhitman7473]

@@bobbyd1776 Rocky Marciano defended his title only 6 times. Twice against former Middleweight Ezzard Charles, Once against aging former light heavyweight Archie Moore, Once against the man he took the title from 39 year old Jersey Joe Walcott, Once against Britain's Don Cockell and once against some other fight I don't know the name of. Who were the 43 previous opponents he fought before he won the title and padded up his record ? kzbin.info/www/bejne/mmmYgaSipKekbJo

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Puncher of The Century Earnie Shavers 76-14-1 with 77% KOs is known for being the hardest puncher in Heavyweight boxing history. He scored 70 knockout wins, including 23 in the first round. Ron Lyle and Muhammad Ali ranked Shavers as the hardest puncher they ever faced. Shavers is directly responsibly for the early retirements of Ron Asher, Frank Smith, Bunky Akins, Bill McMurray, Harold Carter, Eddie Parotte and Larry Sims, all of whom he knocked out and never fought again. So powerful, both Joe Frazier and George Foreman told boxing writer Jerry Eisenberg they would never fight Shavers. Real fighters knew enough to avoid him. His incredible one punch power made him more than dangerous. George Foreman told him personally when Earnie lobbied for a fight, "hell no." Joe Frazier told Shavers bluntly when Shavers asked him for a shot, "No way, Earnie.” Hall of Fame and all time greats Ali and Holmes both said Shavers power, especially his one punch power, was simply unrivaled. Angelo Dundee said "Earnie wasn't really a good boxer, but God, his power was amazing."

[@alceraulo8434]

Except Jerry Quarry fought him and destroyed him. So much for than angle.

[@Studentofsweetscience]

@@alceraulo8434 So bcz Shavers lost a few fights that automatically means he's no good? Walcott Charles Moore lost 68 times so that automatically means little Rocky only fought bums? So much for that angle fool.

[@Durango_Kid]

@black David Frost Was Ernie Shavers a greater fighter than Rocky Marciano? Defend that ful.

[@Durango_Kid]

@black David Frost I asked you if you thought Ernie Shavers was a greater fighter than Rocky Marciano?

[@Durango_Kid]

@black David What's the matter, not enough gut to try and tell me how great Shavers was? Try it full.

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Sonny was born into a family that couldn't afford for him to go to school, and when the family mule died, his father hitched his 9 year old son to the plow. Why? Simply the history of kids working on the farm. However the story would seem to accentuate the point of how strong Liston was. He grew up with a father that eventually disappeared and a mother who was on and off drugs. He use to hang out in abandoned houses and hide from other people. By the time he was twelve he had been arrested for street robberies and burglary around Brooklyn. He was rescued out of a orphanage/ boys home for juvenile offenders by Cus D’Amato not because he was a shining knight but he could make money off his athletic talent. Liston was a different breed; what a specimen.

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

The Marciano Tapes #6 @3:40 Marciano confesses Carmine Vingo hit the back of his head on the plywood flooring. *He said, "it so happened that Vingo hit his head on the flooring, and it sent him unconscious. He was paralyzed a little bit in his fingers and hands. There was a change in the ruling, from then on padding was put on the ring of the flooring."* Rocky's manager Al Weill said the same thing in Marciano's biography 'Unbeaten', *"Vingo hit his head on the flooring, then he went unconscious."* So after all this time it was the plywood flooring that partially paralyzed Vingo, not Marciano's punch. *It's no wonder Vingo said, "I WAS SLAUGHTERED FOR A CROWD" --source: The Saturday Evening Post by Carmine Vingo as told by Seymour Shubin* *Carmine Vingo's F-LEVEL opponents:* *1.* Barney Metten career record 6 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL* *2.* Fred Ramsey career record 8 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL* *3.* Earl Turner career record 2 wins 21 losses *F-LEVEL* (Turner's only purpose was padding records). *4.* George Washington career record 12 wins 33 losses *F-LEVEL* (Another paid diver). *5.* Joe Lindsay career record 28 wins 7 losses *C-LEVEL* (Vingo Loses). *6.* Freddie McManus career record 18 wins 19 losses *F-LEVEL* *7.* Tommy DiGiorgio career record 9 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* *8.* Jimmy Walls career record 20 wins 41 losses *F-LEVEL* (Another Diver). *9.* Tommy DiGiorgio career record 9 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* (SECOND time Vingo fights this guy. Why? We all know why). *10.* Johnny Williams career record 2 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* *11.* Don Mogard career record 20 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* *12.* Freddie McManus career record 18 wins 19 losses *F-LEVEL* (SECOND time Vingo fights this guy. Why? We all know why). *13.* Ernie Conyer career record 5 wins 9 losses *F-LEVEL* *14.* Ernie Conyer career record 5 wins 9 losses *F-LEVEL* (SECOND time Vingo fights this guy. Why? Isn't it obvious? To pad his fraudulent resume). *15.* Joe Modzele career record 18 wins 8 losses *D to F-LEVEL* (Another 183 lb light heavyweight moonlighting as Heavyweight, they were dime a dozen back then). *16.* George Washington career record 12 wins 33 losses *F-LEVEL* (Second time Vingo fights this diver. Vingo fought *FOUR* opponents *TWICE* within 16 bouts. The majority of his opponents had losing records. This is all to reminiscent of Roland LaStarza's resume). *17.* Al Robinson career record 0 wins 5 losses *F-LEVEL* (Vingo actually fights a debuting amateur (0-0-0) just before he faces Rocky. Why? Worst division in boxing history). *18.* Rocky Marciano career record 49 wins 0 losses *A-minus-LEVEL for extremely short 7yr career. In comparison Moore had 27yr career.* (Vingo was completely outclassed and never had a chance from the get-go. I saw their Getty Museum pics and Marciano didn't have a single mark on his face, his eyes were wide open and clear). All this time i was mislead into believing that Vingo was this twenty year old superstar being prepped to become the next Heavyweight champ. Instead he was prepped for *SLAUGHTER JUST TO PLEASE A CROWD* --Carmine Vingo *WHAT THEY DID TO VINGO WAS A TRAVESTY*

[@blackdavidfrost-n-margot727]

All u white Marchegiano lovers 💕 adore Rocco's high work-rate, but 6'2" 240 lb Ibeabuchi threw more punches than tiny penguin 🐧 arms Marchegiano could have imagined. Little Rocco would have been an absolute embarrassment fightin proven authentic Super Heavyweights. If racial bigotry was not the order of the day. If white privilege was not the priority, if Rocky Marciano, did not have the complexion for the connection, especially given the fact he never fought ONE SINGLE Black fighter in his Prime, Rocky Marciano WOULD NOT have been heavyweight champion. And consider this: Deontay Wilder, with a 93% KO Record, is doing WAAAAY BETTER as a heavyweight, than Marciano in his day could ever hope to do. AND YET, the racist, most white people call him “a bum.” Imagine that! Rocky Marciano was a mediocre fight knocking out cherry picked mediocre bums to pad his record and satisfy the wishes of white supremacy. Since his retirement 62 years ago, NOT ONE SINGLE white American has won the heavy title...NONE!!! Gee, I wonder why????!

[@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez]

Any boxer that's on an undefeated 30+ or 40+ fight winning streak (especially during the 50s) has been brilliantly managed and well protected. Italian Mafia soldier Frankie Carbo, the most powerful promoter in boxing, had his leash-n-collar around little 184lb cruiserweight Rocky. 25-0 Marciano fought *F-LEVEL* nobodies until he met 37-0 LaStarza who also fought *F-LEVEL* nobodies. After their fight Marciano continues with more *F-LEVEL* competition bcz his handlers were afraid to put him in with anyone who could pose much of a threat after coming so close to tasting defeat. Little cruiserweight Rocky's next opponent was *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman who had lost 8 of his last 9 fights. Everybody knew it was a gimme fight for an undefeated fighter. Then there was *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry who had a career record of 71 wins 68 losses. Marciano's 32nd fight was against *F-LEVEL* Keene Simmons who had a career 8 wins 8 losses. Marciano's 33rd fight was against *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell who had a career 4 wins 17 losses. Marciano's 34th fight was against *F-LEVEL* Art Henri who had a career 13 wins 14 losses. Marciano's 35th fight was against *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate who had a career 11 wins 14 losses. It's clear as day Mafia Boss Frankie Carbo and his associate Al Weill *padded and cherry-picked* Marciano's resume his entire (but very short) career. Marciano's career motto was: *"Fight No One and Quit While You Are Ahead"* Lewis Watson, the boxing writer and historian, speaks of the artificial puffing up of records against cherry picked competition, saying: *“Unbeaten records are fairly padded; you have to look if there are any notable victories coming against first rate competition."* But But But many Marciano fans say he only defended his title against the #1 ranked contender. Well that's very noble and honorable yet meaningless when those six #1 ranked opponents were "mediocre" at best. *Little 184lb cruiserweight Rocky Marciano never faced an elite fighter in his prime. Name one, just one prime elite fighter Marciano beat??? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles, Moore, Walcott, and Louis were in their prime when they fought Marciano???*

[@bobbyd1776]

How many HW boxers were on an undefeated 30+ or 40+ fight winning streak during the 50's? I only know of one, Rocky Marciano. Was he the only one brilliantly managed?

[@Studentofsweetscience]

"Sonny Liston's the meanest fighter that ever lived. No one's more intimidating. Not even myself." -- Mike Tyson

[@Jabbing_Jack]

ROCKY MARCIANO......49-0......43 KO'd tough...powerful...resilient...heart...will...desire...the best

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Rocky was the best.

[@bobbyd1478]

This fight lasted exactly 39 min 43 sec. What happened to the other 36 min? This montage has been spliced, diced, and edited to show best parts. Crowd noise has also been added-in. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. If anyone has ever stepped through those ropes before they'd immediately know that both these guys are wide open and exposed. Rocky looks awful and would be KO'd within seconds today. The jab is the most effective punch in boxing yet neither uses one. Casuals always wonder why they never see these types of amateurish brawlers today. Well that's bcz they'd be obliterated. Undefeated light heavys Beterbiev/Bivol would humiliate Rocky.

[@bobbyd1478]

Minimal boxing skills. These guys were street fighters not boxers. Super Heavyweights Zhang Ngannou Parker Kabayel Vitali Foreman Lennox Briggs Peter would annihilate all these little light heavyweights within minutes. Ibeabuchi would definitely crush them. I had no idea how bad boxing skills were back in the day.

[@bobbyd5276]

If 178 to 184 lb tiny cruiser Rocky was *all-Powerful* why didn't he ever break any bones? *He never broke one rib, one nose, one eye-socket, one jaw or detached one retina.* If he did i assure u every Rocky fan would be talking about it!! Right? Marciano catches lightning in a bottle ONE time vs. Walcott and his fans automatically assume he's the most powerful puncher that ever lived. Rocky never had 43 KO's, half were TKO's. Count them. There's a Huge difference between KO's and TKO's. LaStarza and Cockell were still standing, correct? Rocky's entire legacy has been built around that "one" KO against a guy that was at least 40yrs of age, if not older. *Just before Walcott gets KO'd where are both of his hands? They are at waist level. Why? Bcz he's worn out and his reflexes are shot. Father time waits for no one!* Roland LaStarza with all his supposed "Broken Bones" and "Ruptured Blood Vessels" only had minor surgery to remove tiny bone chips from his elbow just like David Tua did after his fight with Ibeabuchi. Elbow arthroscopy is a minimally invasive procedure. It's a common boxing injury yet y'all act as if both his arms were decapitated. Besides, Roland said, *"I already had elbow problems before i even fought Marciano."* I have the article. Here's the newspaper article about Layne's tooth: *"Rex Layne lost a left upper tooth..the tooth broke at the gums when Marciano caught the Utahn in the mouth with a full right hand. Layne was taken immediately after the fight to a New York dentist to have the teeth X-rayed and also for treatment on a broken tooth." Layne's handlers said, "the tooth went out with the gumshield."* ...So, Rex only sustained *"ONE"* broken tooth!!! This is important. *If all Layne's front teeth were sheared off at the gum's it would have been impossible for Layne to fight Charles exactly 3 months later.* Folks break their teeth all the time skateboarding or slipping and falling on the ice. One broken tooth, what's the big deal?

[@Jabbing_Jack]

Rocky was relentless and fought with brutal fury.....a champions desire to win at all costs.....and the perfect gentleman outside of the ring.

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Rocky was the goat.

[@bobbyd1478]

This fight lasted exactly 39 min 43 sec. What happened to the other 36 min? This montage has been spliced, diced, and edited to show best parts. Crowd noise has also been added-in. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. If anyone has ever stepped through those ropes before they'd immediately know that both these guys are wide open and exposed. Rocky looks awful and would be KO'd within seconds today. The jab is the most effective punch in boxing yet neither uses one. Casuals always wonder why they never see these types of amateurish brawlers today. Well that's bcz they'd be obliterated. Undefeated light heavys Beterbiev/Bivol would humiliate Rocky.

[@bobbyd1478]

Minimal boxing skills. These guys were street fighters not boxers. Super Heavyweights Zhang Ngannou Parker Kabayel Vitali Foreman Lennox Briggs Peter would annihilate all these little light heavyweights within minutes. Ibeabuchi would definitely crush them. I had no idea how bad boxing skills were back in the day.

[@bobbyd1776]

@@bobbyd1478@Samantha_Lavery_Medici 1 month ago Rocky was the goat. You should listen to Samantha

[@Jabbing_Jack]

"Rocky Marciano was the greatest fighter of the century. I think he was the greatest champion." - Joe Louis

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Rocky was the best.

[@bobbyd1478]

This fight lasted exactly 39 min 43 sec. What happened to the other 36 min? This montage has been spliced, diced, and edited to show best parts. Crowd noise has also been added-in. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. If anyone has ever stepped through those ropes before they'd immediately know that both these guys are wide open and exposed. Rocky looks awful and would be KO'd within seconds today. The jab is the most effective punch in boxing yet neither uses one. Casuals always wonder why they never see these types of amateurish brawlers today. Well that's bcz they'd be obliterated. Undefeated light heavys Beterbiev/Bivol would humiliate Rocky.

[@bobbyd1478]

Minimal boxing skills. These guys were street fighters not boxers. Super Heavyweights Zhang Ngannou Parker Kabayel Vitali Foreman Lennox Briggs Peter would annihilate all these little light heavyweights within minutes. Ibeabuchi would definitely crush them. I had no idea how bad boxing skills were back in the day.

[@KingKongbabe]

@@bobbyd1478you are embarrassing yourself with your ignorance. You must be a product of public education

[@romans003]

Boxers do not fight like this anymore, These two were absolutely monsters

[@Corina_June_Cunningham]

Walcott *had already been retired for ((4)) years!!! Walcott was fighting professionally when little rocky was only ((7)) years old!!! Little Marciano never faced an ATG in his prime!!!*

[@Corina_June_Cunningham]

I wouldn't call 184-lbs a monster. More like a tiny cruiserweight.

[@Corina_June_Cunningham]

Louis Walcott Charles Moore had a combined *((480))* fights while little Rocky only had *((49))* ..Well that's *pretty much self-explanatory why he had no losses*

[@Studentofsweetscience]

This 4 minute montage has been spliced, diced and edited to show the fights only action throughout 13 rounds. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. Foreman vs. Lyle was slugfest. Liston vs. Williams was slugfest. Ibeabuchi vs. Tua was slugfest. Vitali vs. Sanders was slugfest. Holmes vs. Norton was slugfest. Ali vs. Frazier was slugfest.

[@donthomas4793]

@@Studentofsweetscience I just read through the comments it’s funny I just re-watched Ibeabuchi versus Tua today man what a fight

[@Studentofsweetscience]

They did not reconcile, and that was because Joe Frazier carried his anger and resentment of Ali to his grave. Frazier could never forgive Ali for all of the incredibly cruel insults and taunts that he directed at Frazier when the two fighters were rivals. Ali called him “Uncle Tom”, “big ugly gorilla” and a number of other things. What Ali never seemed to realize was how deeply Frazier was wounded by the insults. For Ali, it was just part of the game. And the resentment that Joe held stemmed from the fact that Ali was worshipped by millions of people around the world. Meanwhile, Joe Frazier never got the respect that he felt he deserved and he did have a legitimate beef. Case in point: his adopted city of Philadelphia commissioned a statue of a fake heavyweight champion from a movie while ignoring the existence of the real life champion they had in Joe Frazier. And something that Frazier said in response to a reporter's question reveals just how bitter he remained some 20 years after he and Ali fought for the third and final time. Ali was chosen to light the Olympic flame for the 1996 Summer Games held in Atlanta and Frazier was asked how he felt about his old rival receiving the honor. Without a moments hesitation, he spat out the following reply: “I hope he falls in”.

[@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez]

Southpaw Usyk is 6' 3" 221-lbs with 78" reach. Prime Clay/Ali was 6' 2.5" (passport) 212-lbs with 78" reach. Holyfield was 6' 2.5" 218-lbs with 78" reach. Michael Spinks was 6' 2.5" 207-lbs with 76" reach. Mike Tyson was 5' 10" 220-lbs with 71" reach. David Tua was 5' 10" 240-lbs with 71" reach. And of course we mustn't forget 5' 9 1/2" little 184-lb cruiserweight Rocky Marciano with-is astronomically shortest ever 67" flyweight reach. Shocking isn't it. Those other small guys weren't so small after all. They already had the natural weight or natural height and reach advantage so they were able to assimilate into the Heavyweight division with few to no problems. On the other hand little cruiserweight Marciano had some serious dwarfism problems going on with his reach. Simply put Marciano's bone structure was too short to assimilate effectively.

[@bobbyd1776]

Still clueless I see

[@KingKongbabe]

Dolt you are embarrassing yourself with your ignorance

[@immortal7.3lw85]

It’s a known fact humans were smaller 70 years ago. Marciano would have easily been 225lbs in his prime if he were alive today.

[@SilverSlugs]

Bozo.

[@SilverSlugs]

Hog.

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Zora Folley, then #1 contender for the heavyweight title said when Liston hit him: “The lights went out, when I woke up I asked Sonny what happened and he said 'I hit you"

[@carlosalbertorotchen5560]

Este video es de Marciano y walcott ,que tiene que Liston y Folley ?

[@Jabbing_Jack]

Kind, respectful, gentleman, outside the ring. Savage, unstoppable beast, inside it.

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Rocky was the best.

[@bobbyd1478]

This fight lasted exactly 39 min 43 sec. What happened to the other 36 min? This montage has been spliced, diced, and edited to show best parts. Crowd noise has also been added-in. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. If anyone has ever stepped through those ropes before they'd immediately know that both these guys are wide open and exposed. Rocky looks awful and would be KO'd within seconds today. The jab is the most effective punch in boxing yet neither uses one. Casuals always wonder why they never see these types of amateurish brawlers today. Well that's bcz they'd be obliterated. Undefeated light heavys Beterbiev/Bivol would humiliate Rocky.

[@williamantila5262]

What a partonizing load of sh*#...a real informed boxing fan are you ? These were two men who despite their lack of puglitic skill would demolish many in their devisions today ... @@bobbyd1478​

[@bobbyd1478]

Minimal boxing skills. These guys were street fighters not boxers. Super Heavyweights Zhang Ngannou Parker Kabayel Vitali Foreman Lennox Briggs Peter would annihilate all these little light heavyweights within minutes. Ibeabuchi would definitely crush them. I had no idea how bad boxing skills were back in the day.

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

Zhang weighs 287. Fury 277. Ngannou 272. Parker 245. Ibeabuchi 245. Kabayel 242. Briggs 265. Ruiz 265. Grant 265. Foreman 255. Lennox 250. Vitali 250. Peter 250. Usyk 222. Joshua 250. Wladimir 245. Holmes 218. Ali 218. *Marciano 179 with 67" flyweight reach.* The average Super Heavyweight today weighs 250 with 80" reach. *I know, I know, I know Rocky fans still believe the little light heavyweight could beat every Super Heavyweight that ever existed bcz he was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman. He broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,679 teeth, and ruptured 792 blood vessels. I also know for a fact that little Rocky is god , bcz when he walked the earth shook.* Rocky was actually 5' 9" (1.75 meters), according to Rocky Marciano's biographer John Cameron; his reach was 67" (1.70 meters) incredibly short for Heavyweight; by way of comparison, today's Bantamweights (115-118 lbs) average 67.7". And all the PEDs in the world ain't never gonna help dwarfism arms grow longer. I'll be the first to admit that light heavyweight Rocky looked good against other middleweights, light heavyweights and small 186 lb cruisers, but it would have been an entirely different story against topnotch Super Heavyweights! This is important. Willard & Carnera were also Big but C-LEVEL circus clowns! 179 lb light heavyweight Marciano opponents (not in exact order): *We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they were. Pro boxers can be evaluated using grades A, B, C, D, and F which has been used in boxing for decades:* Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?* *Even little 179 lb light heavyweight Rocky's 5 best opponents, Charles, Moore, Walcott, Layne, LaStarza -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!* IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0: TOO MANY D AND F-LEVEL AMATEUR WALK-IN BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$ *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine* Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG boxer Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought the light heavyweight?

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

Soft spoken Lennox Lewis at his best was the total package. When he fought seriously he was pretty much untouchable. The last undisputed Super Heavyweight champion emerged as cream of the crop against some of the biggest punchers in Heavyweight history. Lewis avenged his only two defeats by knockout. He didn't make excuses for his only two losses, he said, "It's Heavyweights, you can get caught, but i won the rematches in style," and "Show me a Heavyweight Champion without a loss and i'll show you a fighter that fought a lot of nobodies." In my opinion 58 year old Lennox Lewis is the GOAT. To hear him talk so clearly and eloquently after going up against 18 Heavyweight Champions is remarkable. *The 18 HW Champions Lewis faced: Vitali Klitschko, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Shannon Briggs, Frank Bruno, Tony Tucker, Hasim Rahman, Oliver McCall, Mike Weaver, Henry Akinwande, Tommy Morrison and Ray Mercer were later recognized as WBO champions, British HW champion Gary Mason, European HW champion Jean Chanet, Commonwealth HW champion Derek Williams, Canada HW champion Razor Ruddock, IBF/WBF HW champion Michael Grant, and WBC International HW champion David Tua...[[ technically not all were 'World' champions but champions nonetheless ]].* Other notable mentions; *Olympic HW Silver medalist Riddick Bowe, Olympic HW Gold medalist Tyrell Briggs, Andrew Golota, Zeljko Mavrovic, Frans Botha and Phil Jackson* How many prime topnotch genuine 200+lbs Heavyweight and 224+lbs Super Heavyweight Champions did light heavyweight Rocky fight? *""ZERO""* Imagine the little light heavyweight with 67" flyweight reach trying to fight topnotch Super Heavyweights with 80" to 86" albatross wingspans and 30 to 100+lbs weight advantages? Think, people. Think. I always find it amusing the way hundreds of Rocky fans incessantly belittles Lennox for being KO'd twice yet always fail to mention the ((28)) times Charles Moore Walcott Layne and LaStarza were KO'd, not to mention the ((94)) losses they had. Who KO'd Lennox Lewis? Hasim Rahman 6' 3" 240 lbs 82% KO's with 82" reach was a genuine Super Heavyweight, not a little 178 lb light heavyweight with 67" flyweight reach. Oliver McCall 6' 2" 240 lbs 82" reach was a genuine Super Heavyweight, not a little 178 lb light heavyweight with 67" flyweight reach. Little light heavyweight Rocky was simply too small. For Pete's sake his little opponent Matthews was a middleweight and little Rocky's two best opponents, Charles and Moore, were also little light heavyweights. For a so called "Heavyweight" division it don't get any worse than that.

[@bobbyd1776]

How then do you explain Lewis KO losses to Rahman and McCall? If you are to believed Lewis lost because he was not taking these fights seriously. However, seeing these 2 fights were for the HW title I find that extremely hard to believe. Do you not know what you are talking about? Hmmm. I find that very easy to believe

[@gardentractor]

I would have loved to see a match between Lennox Lewis And Floyd Mayweather.

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Muhammad Ali said after his match with Shavers, "Earnie hit me so hard, he shook my kinfolk back in Africa."

[@Studentofsweetscience]

"Of all the men I fought in boxing, Sonny Liston was the scariest." -- Muhammad Ali "He's the meanest fighter that ever lived. No one's more intimidating. Not even myself." -- Mike Tyson "Liston compares favorably with any of the heavyweights of the past. Any of them. When somebody asks me, How does Liston compare with Joe Louis?' I have to stop and think. So you know how good a fighter Liston is." -- Cus D'Amato "Sonny Liston stood up to me and actually made me give ground. No one has ever done that to me before or since." -- George Foreman "Possibly the greatest left jab in the history of the heavyweight division. That left jab could go through brick walls." -- Bert Sugar "I boxed heavyweights for four years till I realized Sonny Liston wasn't my cup of tea. When I saw him come on the scene, I said I'm going to get back down where I belong." -- Willie Pastrano "When you got hit by Sonny Liston's jab, it felt like you were getting hit with a telephone pole." -- Ray Schoeninger "Nobody hit those bags like Sonny. He tore bags up. He could turn that hook, put everything behind it. Turn and snap. Bam! Why, he could knock you across the room with a jab. I saw him knock guys out with a straight jab. Bam! In the ring, Sonny was a killing machine." -- Johnny Tacco "Liston could scowl as hard as any man in or out of the ring. And, of course, he invented the big stare." -- Joe Louis "When Sonny gave you the evil eye - I don't care who you were - you shrunk to two feet tall. And one thing more; he could fight like hell. They forget it now, but when Liston was champ, some people thought he was the greatest heavyweight of all time." -- Harold Conrad "Liston was the biggest puncher I ever fought." -- Chuck Wepner "If you got hit with the right hand, you wouldn't get up." -- Floyd Patterson Liston was the most powerful intimidating Heavyweight ever. He never gets enough credit bcz of the two Ali fights which were dubious to say the least. Ali was seen as the bright new future, and Sonny was forced to step aside, and then found dead in really suspicious circumstances when he might "talk" about the deceit. His life story is better than any fiction novel, he deserves more respect than he gets. Before the first Clay fight Joe Louis told Sonny that he was going to bet on him. *"Joe, save your money,"* Sonny said....Now , that's something to think about. It's in Liston's biography.

[@lanceewing2818]

Stop glazing over sonny liston you have made this one comment atleast 10 times no one cares

[@Durango_Kid]

​ @lanceewing2818 He's a creep.

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

After his brilliant but erratic welterweight, Vince Foster, had been killed in an auto accident, Jack Hurley, the tall, thin, caustic manager and promoter who has a genius for developing mediocre fighters into rich ones, began snooping around for another boxer. Into his office one day in 1949 walked a skinny middleweight named Harry Matthews, who had won 67 out of 70 fights on the West Coast, had been fighting for 12 years and had succeeded only in getting deep into debt. Hurley agreed to take him on for his usual 50%. Matthews screamed in anguish. "Listen, young man," said Hurley, "you've been boxing for 12 years and you've made exactly nothing. Now, 50% of nothing is nothing. You don't know how lucky you are. What is happening is that you are getting 50% of me." Hurley watched his new gladiator work out and was appalled. "He got all his ideas from amateurs. It's a wonder he hadn't been seriously hurt. His idea of how to defend himself was to grab and run. That's all he knew. He didn't even know how to eat. He'd eat two meals a day. I said, "if you were a truck driver, would you eat like that?' He said, 'No, driving a truck is hard work. If I were a truck driver, I'd eat like one.' I said to him, 'Let me tell you something, young man. If you and I are to stay together, you'll work so hard you'll think truck driving is a soft racket. Don't ever lose sight of the fact that fighting is a hard and brutal business, and you gotta be in shape for it. From now on you eat like a truck driver.' He did, and he finally went up to 182 pounds. "But oh, he was such a bad fighter. He couldn't punch, he couldn't take a punch. He was an agony fighter. Looking at a fighter that can't punch is like kissing your mother-in-law." Hurley brought Matthews along slowly and one night put him into the ring with a carefully selected opponent who had had only 12 fights and was too light to cope with Matthews. "I figured Matthews would make his name overnight," says Hurley. "He figured to knock the kid out easy. But it went 10 rounds and nobody got hit, although Matthews wins the decision. The next day Matthews comes into the office, and he says, 'How did you like the fight?' "I says, 'What fight?' "He says, 'Last night.' "I says, 'Harry, that was the most disgraceful thing I ever saw. If you and that kid were to go down to the street corner right now and go through the same antics, that traffic cop wouldn't even come over and break it up.' " But Hurley has never needed a superfighter; all he needed now was a property, and Matthews, game and willing to learn, was it. The two of them set up shop in Seattle, and Hurley began the great campaign. Traveling the Northwest like a couple of drummers, the soft-punching, glass-chinned Matthews reeled off a dazzling skein of 35 consecutive wins. Hurley explains in detail how the feat was accomplished: *"I made sure he didn't fight any great fighters. I picked 'em mostly by their styles, guys that had styles just right for Matthews. So all his fights appeared to be sensational."* MAY 1961 JACK OLSEN

[@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez]

The 37yr old Brown Bomber faintly resembled the well-oiled and efficient fighting machine he was during the late 30’s. He had nothing left offensively but a semblance of his left jab. He was slow of both hand and foot and needed to have his feet set perfectly inorder to get off. His punching power had all but evaporated, evidenced by him scoring only 2 KO's in his last 12 fights.

[@TomServo101]

Joe Louis was the brown bomber. Not Joe Walcott

[@sky-oq5mr]

​@@TomServo101people got better with better defense. He was on an 8 win streak when he fought rocky. Jersey Joe was a monster

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Really seeing little Rocky's resume is another reason why pacman is the goat, he chose 8 division titles instead of becoming unbeatable. People could go 37-0 (LaStarza) but if we don't know your name especially fixed matchmaking with F-LEVEL opposition, you're not famous.

[@terrymalone1456]

Damn, that was a brawl. Two of the greatest fighters to ever throw a glove.

[@Corina_June_Cunningham]

Walcott *had already been retired for ((4)) years!!! Walcott was fighting professionally when little rocky was only ((7)) years old!!! Little Marciano never faced an ATG in his prime!!!*

[@Matt_Andrew349]

@@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD Rex Layne. Ezzard Charles. Joe Louis. You left them out. The fact that you did shows your comment is false and based on a lack of facts. There, I disproved your comment in a paragraph that takes 15 seconds to read. Cry about it.

[@Matt_Andrew349]

@@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD Oh, and not to mention the fact, Rocky's nose was literally SPLIT IN HALF by Ezzard Charles, and Rocky was never knocked out once in his career. He was only knocked down a couple times. And in that fight, Rocky still knocked out Charles in the 8th round. Keep spamming your web of lies and lack of facts all over these Marciano videos, boy. You're only making yourself look ignorant.

[@bobbyd1776]

@@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD Your grading system makes absolutely no sense. You state that C level is an average fighter that is still capable of winning a title. That is ridiculous. A fighter that is capable of winning a title is NOT an average fighter. He is amongst the best on the planet. Just more proof that you do NOT know what you are talking about

[@yotamdude5866]

​@@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MDBreath some air, touch some grass, smoke some good stuff. Your hate is talking over yiur brain

[@Jabbing_Jack]

There will never be another Rocky. Not ever.

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Rocky was the best.

[@bobbyd1478]

This fight lasted exactly 39 min 43 sec. What happened to the other 36 min? This montage has been spliced, diced, and edited to show best parts. Crowd noise has also been added-in. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. If anyone has ever stepped through those ropes before they'd immediately know that both these guys are wide open and exposed. Rocky looks awful and would be KO'd within seconds today. The jab is the most effective punch in boxing yet neither uses one. Casuals always wonder why they never see these types of amateurish brawlers today. Well that's bcz they'd be obliterated. Undefeated light heavys Beterbiev/Bivol would humiliate Rocky.

[@bobbyd1478]

Minimal boxing skills. These guys were street fighters not boxers. Super Heavyweights Zhang Ngannou Parker Kabayel Vitali Foreman Lennox Briggs Peter would annihilate all these little light heavyweights within minutes. Ibeabuchi would definitely crush them. I had no idea how bad boxing skills were back in the day.

[@giuly15279]

​@@bobbyd1478hai finito di dire cazzate 😂😂😂

[@Studentofsweetscience]

"If you got hit with the right hand, you wouldn't get up." -- Floyd Patterson

[@glynhannaford7332]

Probably the most brutal slugfest ever filmed. Marciano is famed for his punching power and relentess pressure. This fight clearly shows that he also had chin of granite. Some of Walcott's shots would have floored a grizzly bear, but Marciano didn't flinch. Incredible stuff.

[@Corina_June_Cunningham]

Walcott *had already been retired for ((4)) years!!! Walcott was fighting professionally when little rocky was only ((7)) years old!!! Little Marciano never faced an ATG in his prime!!!*

[@Corina_June_Cunningham]

Louis Walcott Charles Moore had a combined *((480))* fights while little Rocky only had *((49))* ..Well that's *pretty much self-explanatory why he had no losses*

[@glynhannaford7332]

@oldschoolsaint. What is your agenda bud, trashing Rocky Marciano, why?

[@Corina_June_Cunningham]

@@glynhannaford7332 How exactly did the *Honest Truth* suddenly turn into "trashing" ???

[@Corina_June_Cunningham]

@@glynhannaford7332 Charles Lost *(25)* times and was KOd *(7)* times Moore Lost *(23)* times and was KO'd *(7)* times Walcott Lost *(20)* times and was KOd *(6)* times Savold Lost *(43)* times and was KO'd *(12)* times Lowry Lost *(68)* times and was KO'd *(3)* times Cockell Lost *(14)* times and was KO'd *(9)* times LaStarza Lost *(9)* times and was KO'd *(2)* times Louis Bravely fought *(69)* times.............little Rocky Quit at *49* Walcott Bravely fought *(70)* times.........little Rocky Quit at *49* Charles Bravely fought *(121)* times.......little Rocky Quit at *49* Moore Bravely fought *(220)* times.........little Rocky Quit at *49* Savold Bravely fought *(142)* times.........little Rocky Quit at *49* Matthews Bravely fought *(103)* times.. .little Rocky Quit at *49* LaStarza Bravely fought *(66)* times.......little Rocky Quit at *49* Cockell Bravely fought *(81)* times..........little Rocky Quit at *49* Lowry Bravely fought *(150)* times..........little Rocky Quit at *49* Louis Bravely fought *(17)* years...........little Rocky Only *7* years Walcott Bravely fought *(23)* years.......little Rocky Only *7* years Charles Bravely fought *(20)* years.......little Rocky Only *7* years Moore Bravely fought *(27)* years.........little Rocky Only *7* years Savold Bravely fought *(19)* years........little Rocky Only *7* years Matthews Bravely fought *(19)* years...little Rocky Only *7* years LaStarza Bravely fought *(14)* years.....little Rocky Only *7* years Cockell Bravely fought *(10)* years.......little Rocky Only *7* years Lowry Bravely fought *(16)* years.........little Rocky Only *7* years *Shocking isn't it?? We never se these stats bcz they're always Suppressed.* Imagine if today's Heavyweights Fury & Usyk had losing records lik that?? *Heck,, they'd be thrown under the bus immediately if they only had "'ONE"' loss,, let alone 20 or 30 or 40 or 50 or even 68!!!* *((* If a fighter *today* had *((20))* losses and was KO'd *((6))* times he'd be considered an undercard *F-LEVEL* Journeyman!!! Correct?? OH,, but, but, but it's okay for Jersey Joe Walcott bcz two-faced Marciano fans say it is *))* *HOW MANY LOSSES DID THE "'BEST"' HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONS OF ALL TIME HAVE:* Lewis --------- *2* Holmes ------ *6* Ali -------------- *5* Vitali ----------- *2* Foreman ---- *5* Tyson -------- *6* Wladimir ---- *5* Bowe --------- *1* Liston -------- *4* Louis --------- *3* Holyfield -- *10* Frazier ------- *4* Norton ------- *7* Tunney ------ *1* Dempsey --- 6 Johnson --- 11 *"SHOW ME A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WITHOUT A LOSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT FOUGHT A LOT OF NOBODIES"* -- *Lennox Lewis*

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

If 178 to 184 lb tiny cruiser Rocky was *all-Powerful* why didn't he ever break any bones? *He never broke one rib, one nose, one eye-socket, one jaw or detached one retina.* If he did i assure u every Rocky fan would be talking about it!! Right? Marciano catches lightning in a bottle ONE time vs. Walcott and his fans automatically assume he's the most powerful puncher that ever lived. Rocky never had 43 KO's, half were TKO's. Count them. There's a Huge difference between KO's and TKO's. LaStarza and Cockell were still standing, correct? Rocky's entire legacy has been built around that "one" KO against a guy that was at least 40yrs of age, if not older. *Just before Walcott gets KO'd where are both of his hands? They are at waist level. Why? Bcz he's worn out and his reflexes are shot. Father time waits for no one!* Roland LaStarza with all his supposed "Broken Bones" and "Ruptured Blood Vessels" only had minor surgery to remove tiny bone chips from his elbow just like David Tua did after his fight with Ibeabuchi. Elbow arthroscopy is a minimally invasive procedure. It's a common boxing injury yet y'all act as if both his arms were decapitated. Besides, Roland said, *"I already had elbow problems before i even fought Marciano."* I have the article. Here's the newspaper article about Layne's tooth: *"Rex Layne lost a left upper tooth..the tooth broke at the gums when Marciano caught the Utahn in the mouth with a full right hand. Layne was taken immediately after the fight to a New York dentist to have the teeth X-rayed and also for treatment on a broken tooth." Layne's handlers said, "the tooth went out with the gumshield."* ...So, Rex only sustained *"ONE"* broken tooth!!! This is important. *If all Layne's front teeth were sheared off at the gum's it would have been impossible for Layne to fight Charles exactly 3 months later.* Folks break their teeth all the time skateboarding or slipping and falling on the ice. One broken tooth, what's the big deal?

[@blackDavid-n-mexicaliMargot]

The great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD, RETIRED, AND COMPLETELY BROKE, JOE LOUIS The great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD Southpaw 200 lb Cruiserweight Usyk is actually bigger than Ali. Joshua came in at 240 lbs, only an 18 lb weight advantage over Usyk 222 lbs 6'3.2" height 78.2" reach. Holyfield 218 lbs 6'2.5" height 78" reach. Michael Spinks 208 lbs 6' 2.5" height 76" reach. Ali 215 lbs 6'2.5" (passport) height 78" reach. And of course we mustn't forget 185 lb 5'10" little white Rocky with his famously shortest "ever" 67" inch bantamweight T-rex alligator arm reach. Maybe little white Rocky could have beaten that circus clown Jess Willard who was paraded around for 4 years without a single fight. Or maybe he could have even beat that other circus clown Primo Carnera who was daily alcoholic (like Andre the Giant) and 100% mafioso controlled. The ‘ambling alp’ was an awful boxer with gigantism or acromegaly (like Andre the Giant). He was promoted as a monster because of his size, but he was really clumsy and couldn`t punch with his full weight, he was completely exposed by Joe Louis who easily battered Primo into submission. Y'all white Marciano lovers fail to ever mention Marciano's Forced retirement. Why? Because Marciano couldn't take the pain anymore from two confirmed nose surgeries, hand surgery, hundreds of stitches, chronic back pain and constant migraines cause his head was used as a Pinata constantly gettin smacked around,, here,, you hit me five times,, and I'll hit you back one time,, Duh. And all that talk about retiring for his family nonsense was simply a bull•••• publicity stunt because he immediately abandoned his family and left them penniless when he perished. Gypsy King Fury would keep little white Rocky at arm's length and force him back whenever he felt crowded. He'd jab, turn and bewilder him for as long as wanted, and if Fury felt so inclined, he'd walk him down Kronk style and smash out a stoppage. And none of this, "if he can't reach his head he'll go to the body", either. That's just bull****. Fury's lead would keep Marciano too far away as is. He ain't getting the opportunities to impose his workrate and definitely doesn't hit hard enough to stop him. Fury jabs him into oblivion. Heck, Fury can land 4 or 5 jabs a round and win the round. King Fury wins. Anyway he chooses.

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

179lb light heavyweight Rocky's conditioning is another manufactured fallacy and 236lb Ibeabuchi vs. 226lb Tua proved it when they threw a record breaking 1,730 haymakers in only 12 rds. *When "The President" Nigerian Ike Ibeabuchi met "The Tuamanator" Samoan David Tua the Nigerian got out to an insanely fast start, throwing 91 punches in round one according to CompuBox, 91 again in round two, and 95 in round three, obscene numbers for a Heavyweight. By the final bell, Ibeabuchi and Tua had combined to throw 1,730 punches, breaking the Heavyweight record set by Ali vs. Frazier III, when they combined for 1,591 punches - in 14 rounds, two rounds more than Ibeabuchi and Tua had to work with. Ike threw 975 punches, the most ever by a single Heavyweight. Both fighters had a brawling fight style, they were both 24 years old at the time of this epic "tribal" battle and they were both undefeated going in to this fight. 226lb Tua's record stood at 27-0-0 23KO's while 236lb Ibeabuchi's record stood at 16-0-0 12KO's.* This fight is the stuff that dreams were made of. Two Super Heavyweight warriors stood toe to toe exhibiting exceptional heart and endurance. Both boxers threw bombs and neither took a backward step. After the fight Ibeabuchi complained of a headache and was taken to a hospital. He underwent several tests including an MRI scan but nothing abnormal was found and was immediately released. A week after the fight Tua had surgery to remove bone chips from his left elbow. And Ike's in🎃sanity had nothing to do with anything he injested lik-roids, he was too paranoid of medications to take anything illegal. Ike was an anomaly, one in a million. No heavyweight of his generation possessed more ability. He was a prodigy. He had amazing power. He had fierce determination and he had no fear of anybody, and he believed that he was the King, that nobody could beat him. He’d walk into the ring and you would almost have this vision of a bull coming at a matador with the steam coming out of the nostrils. Unfortunately, here was a very scary man both in and out of the ring. And it’s unfortunate that we’ll never know what could have been. Bob Arum: "I don’t know, but it was the Heavyweight division and people love a puncher, and while he probably couldn’t have made what Mike Tyson made, but he would have been damn close. You know, hundreds of millions of dollars, sure. But again, again, that’s life, that’s life. You have to be a person, you have to be sane, you have to comport yourself with some kind of dignity and some kind of grace in order to realize that type of reward, and he couldn’t do it." 21 months later, 245lb Ibeabuchi confirmed that he was indeed the best up-and-coming heavyweight on the planet by knocking out undefeated 26-0 quick and slick southpaw Chris Byrd. Ibeabuchi was 20-0 with 15 knockouts, only 26 years old .. and he never fought again. Byrd: "I got a little arrogant, thinking I’m unhittable. Cause I just thought, Oh man, he can’t hit me! I’m gonna slip everything. And, boom, just got caught. When I got knocked down the first time, I got, literally, the canvas woke me up. I was asleep before I hit the ground, and when I hit the canvas it woke me up. I asked the referee why he stopped the fight? What are you doing? "The bell rung!" But my bell was still ringing, that’s what was ringing, was my bell." 245lb Ike Ibeabuchi would have been the heir to Lennox Lewis throne. The Klitschko's would have been gate keepers if he was around. Ike was a Super Heavyweight with serious power, great speed, chin of iron, a boxer and a brawler, freakish stamina, threw punches in bunches and had a ridiculous work-rate with KO written all over his punches. *179lb light heavyweight Rocky with 67" flyweight reach gets flattened by the 245lb prodigy Ibeabuchi 10 out of 10 times and that's not debatable!* The way Rocky fans go on and on about how he's the best conditioned fighter that ever lived is laughable. So Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Marvin Hagler, Manny Pacquiao, David Tua and Ike Ibeabuchi never trained? What a Joke.

[@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez]

Due to Joe Louis not having the punch to bother Marciano, Joe was never in the fight. Louis was devoid of everything in his offensive arsenal. Joe’s speed and power were just a memory. His accuracy and timing were long gone and his reflexes were no longer instinctive. Joe had nothing left to neutralize Rocky. Louis was a sitting duck. By contrast, Marciano was just entering his prime.

[@redredbostonelecelec]

Joe louis won 8 straight fights before boxing Marciano he was 37 years old when they fought, not young but not too old there are boxers that fought a lot longer with success but if people want to play the age game Louis was 9 years younger when he won the title from Braddock Ali was 11 younger when he defeated Liston. Ali was 22 years. younger when he boxed Moore. Patterson was 10 years younger when he won the elimination fight against Moore.

[@piotrwolski4526]

That was a very brutal ko. Marciano really had a punching power.

[@timnik2902]

He shattered his face with that punch.

[@francescos7361]

Powerful punches different styles of fight .

[@inquisitvem6723]

GOAT for many

[@Studentofsweetscience]

​@@timnik2902 He didn't shatter his face.. Marciano incurred all the damage. Walcott was perfectly fine. Back in training 2 days later. Meantime Rocky had to have nose surgery and dozens of stitches! All the exaggerating is hilarious.

[@Studentofsweetscience]

This 4 minute montage has been spliced, diced and edited to show the fights only action throughout 13 rounds. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. Foreman vs. Lyle was slugfest. Liston vs. Williams was slugfest. Ibeabuchi vs. Tua was slugfest. Vitali vs. Sanders was slugfest. Holmes vs. Norton was slugfest. Ali vs. Frazier was slugfest.

[@Jabbing_Jack]

"What could be better than walking down any street and knowing you are the heavyweight champ of the world." - Rocky Marciano

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Rocky was the best.

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.

[@bobbyd1478]

This fight lasted exactly 39 min 43 sec. What happened to the other 36 min? This montage has been spliced, diced, and edited to show best parts. Crowd noise has also been added-in. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. If anyone has ever stepped through those ropes before they'd immediately know that both these guys are wide open and exposed. Rocky looks awful and would be KO'd within seconds today. The jab is the most effective punch in boxing yet neither uses one. Casuals always wonder why they never see these types of amateurish brawlers today. Well that's bcz they'd be obliterated. Undefeated light heavys Beterbiev/Bivol would humiliate Rocky.

[@bobbyd1478]

Minimal boxing skills. These guys were street fighters not boxers. Super Heavyweights Zhang Ngannou Parker Kabayel Vitali Foreman Lennox Briggs Peter would annihilate all these little light heavyweights within minutes. Ibeabuchi would definitely crush them. I had no idea how bad boxing skills were back in the day.

[@bobbyd1776]

@@bobbyd1478 @Samantha_Lavery_Medici 1 month ago Rocky was the goat. You should listen to Samantha

[@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez]

Prime for prime it’s an entirely different story. Marciano would have had to deal with Louis’s explosive and hard jab, set-up uppercuts, finishing hooks and right hands. Rocky would have carried the fight to Joe, and instead of meeting him at center ring and trading, Louis would have inched back and countered Marciano and looked to fight him on the inside with his back to the ropes. Louis needed little room to punch and could get off in tight quarters, he would have been able to punch inside and beat Marciano's round punches to the mark all night.

[@krisharkleroad8]

Will never know. Just speculation.

[@robertpetty7753]

Stop discrediting Rocky. A prime louis lost to schmelling . Something tells me Rocky would kill Schmelling. Louis was also favored to win against Rocky.

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Tex Cobb said "Earnie could punch you in the neck with his right hand and break your ankle." He also said, "if a man hit any harder than Earnie I'd shoot him." Ron Lyle: "Hey man, that's the hardest I've ever been hit in my life. And George Foreman could punch, but none of them could hit like Earnie Shavers did. When he hit you, the lights went out. I can laugh about it now, but at the time it wasn't funny."

[@Studentofsweetscience]

"Of all the men I fought in boxing, Sonny Liston was the scariest." -- Muhammad Ali

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Liston expert, Paul Gallender, has solved the five major mysteries surrounding The Bear in his 2012 biography, 'Sonny Liston - The Real Story Behind the Ali-Liston Fights'. The author's 40+ years of research provide boxing fans with definitive answers to the five most asked questions about The Bear’s life and career: 1) When was Sonny born? 2) Was he murdered? If so, who did it, how, and why? 3) Was the Liston/Clay fight on the level? 4) Why did Sonny throw the Ali fight? 5) Was Sonny Liston as bad a person as the media said he was? The short answers are: 1) 1919 or earlier. 2) Yes, by mobsters, with a heroin overdose, because he didn’t throw the Wepner fight. 3) Yes. Footage from the event shows Ali in the ring asking his entourage, 'Did I hit him?' . Ali also told Nation of Islam minister Abdul Rahman that Liston 'laid down'. 4) So his wife and son wouldn’t be killed. 5) No. Sonny was a good man. Liston, the son of a tenant farmer, served two long terms in prison, where he is said to have learned to box. Although he gave his birth year as 1932, there is evidence that he might have begun his ring career as early as 1934, at the age of 17, under the name of Charles (“Sailor”) Liston. If that is true, he was 45 years old when he won the championship. -- Encyclopedia Britannica "That he fought in 1934 is no secret - even the Encyclopedia Britannica acknowledges it." -- Paul Gallender His sister, who he was extremely close to, and who remembered his birth - he was much younger than she was - said he was born the year after the Great War (WW1). Which would have made him 44 when he fought Ali the first time. watch this vid/documentary --(According To Gallender Sonny Liston Was 44 Yrs Old When He Fought Ali) --from Retro Boxing & Documentaries

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Jonathan Eig wrote of Sonny in Ali: A Life: “Liston does not merely defeat his opponents. He breaks them, shames them, haunts them, leaves them flinching from his punches in their dreams."

[@giuly15279]

Tutto questo prima di affrontare Ali😂

[@K_j_M]

Why are you just posting irrelevant quotes on a fight between 2 completely different people? Student of sweet science my arse... Student of the CopyPasta is the reality

[@Durango_Kid]

Why don't you answer this man?

[@therealfronzilla]

Damn every punch Marciano lands sounds like bombs going off. Holy shit.

[@Corina_June_Cunningham]

Editing does wonders. Walcott *had already been retired for ((4)) years!!! Walcott was fighting professionally when little rocky was only ((7)) years old!!! Little Marciano never faced an ATG in his prime!!!*

[@therealfronzilla]

@@Corina_June_Cunningham OK sure

[@bobbyd1776]

@@Corina_June_Cunningham Walcotts 1st fight was in 1930. His last fight was in 1953. That does equal 23 years, the career length you always attribute to Walcott. However, he also, had been retired for 4 years as you stated. So how does that, in your mind, alter his career length? The reason I ask is because you always start Rocky's career in 1948. You don't give him credit for his fight in 1947. If Rocky doesn't get credit for 1947, a year he actually fought, how does Walcott get credit for the 4 years he didn't fight. It doesn't make a lot of sense does it? Well, it makes sense in one aspect. You have one standard for Rocky and a different, and far lenient standard for others.

[@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez]

BoxRec has officially lists these Rocky Marciano opponents as *'middleweights'* and *'light'* heavyweights: Eddie Ross - division *"Middleweight"* Harry Bilazarian - division *"Middleweight"* Archie Moore - division *"Light heavy"* Harry Matthews - division *"Light heavy"* Harry Haft - division *"Light heavy"* Ted Lowry - division *"Light heavy"* Willis Applegate - division *"Light heavy"* Bob Jefferson - division *"Light heavy"* Ezzard Charles - division *"Light heavy"* Apparently after 23 years BoxRec recently changed Ezzard Charles's division classification to *"heavy"* several days ago. It don't matter if they change it to the *"Super-Heavy"* division bcz he still weighed a mere *181-lbs* when he won his title and there is nothing BoxRec or anyone can do or say to change that Fact! Marciano's small era was a huge contributing factor towards the Cruiserweight division being created. *There comes a point the size disparity becomes a bridge too far even for outstanding smaller boxers.* Did the Klitschko brothers, Lennox Lewis and Mike Tyson have the luxury of fightin middleweights and light heavyweights??? *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight champion???*

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

Southpaw Usyk is 6' 3" 221 lbs with 78" reach. Prime Clay/Ali was 6' 3" 218 lbs with 78" reach. Holyfield was 6′ 2½″ 218 lbs with 78" reach. Michael Spinks was 6' 2½″ 207 lbs with 76" reach. Mike Tyson was 5' 10" 220 lbs with 71" reach. David Tua was 5' 10" 240 lbs with 71" reach. And of course we mustn't forget 5' 9″ 178/179 lb (vs. Jefferson, Ferron, Cardone, DiGiorgio) light heavyweight Rocky Marciano with the shortest ever 67" flyweight reach. According to multiple sources (one being Rocky's biographer John Cameron) Rocky was actually 5' 9". Shocking isn't it. Those other small guys weren't so small after all. They already had the natural weight or natural height and reach advantage so they were able to assimilate into the Heavyweight division with few to no problems. On the other hand little Marciano had some serious dwarfism problems going on with his reach. Simply put Marciano's bone structure was too short to assimilate effectively. *Don't believe for a second Rocky was 5' 10" bcz Joe Louis was at least 5 inches taller! Joe was only 6′ 1½″ yet dwarfs Rocky, and everyone can clearly see that with their own eyes!* *Oh, before i forget, Ferron career record was 4 wins 13 losses, Jefferson career record was 3 wins 10 losses, Cardone career record was 0 wins 3 losses and DiGiorgio career record was 9 wins 15 losses. Bum after bum, it never ends.* Don't believe? Here it is: Lee Epperson career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone career record 0 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL* John Edwards career record 1 win 2 losses *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman career record 1 win 6 losses *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson career record 4 wins 2 losses *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft career record 12 wins 8 losses *F-LEVEL* James Connolly career record 12 wins 9 losses *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian career record 15 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson career record 3 wins 10 losses *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell career record 4 wins 17 losses *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron career record 4 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato career record 7 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie career record 10 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard career record 20 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis career record 32 wins 14 losses *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio career record 9 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons career record 9 wins 22 losses *F-LEVEL* Art Henri career record 18 wins 29 losses *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls career record 20 wins 41 losses *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry career record 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino career record 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic career record 18 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman career record 22 wins 21 losses *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate career record 12 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold career record 104 wins 45 losses *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato career record 56 wins 23 losses *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson career record 56 wins 27 losses *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor career record 31 wins 19 losses *D-LEVEL* Fred Beshore career record 35 wins 17 losses *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans 18 wins 8 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross 19 wins 5 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn 20 wins 4 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds 53 wins 13 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards 24 wins 9 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo 16 wins 2 losses looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell 66 wins 14 losses looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews 90 wins 7 losses is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight?* *Even tiny 67-inch flyweight reach Rocky's 5 best opponents, Charles, Moore, Walcott, Layne, LaStarza -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!* IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0: TOO MANY D AND F-LEVEL AMATEUR WALK-IN BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$ *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine* Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG boxer Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought the tiny cruiser?

[@Studentofsweetscience]

In the years that followed, Rainford met Ali and asked him about the famous fight with Shavers, “I can not remember the last round of our fight,” Ali admitted. “He hit me so hard that for fourteenth round, I was on autopilot. I can’t remember a thing. When I’ve watched the fight back, and see the way I rallied in the fifteenth round, I was doing that off memory.” Shavers reigned down on Ali with 266 punches that night. Afterwards, Rainford claims, the New York commission stated Ali would never fight in New York again after doctors discovered tears on his brain. Eig's study, conducted by Arizona State speech scientists Visar Berisha and Julie Liss found that Ali's speech slowed by 16 percent after a 15-round bout with Ernie Shavers in 1977. Shavers, a brawler, landed 266 punches throughout the fight. If one fight had to be picked, Ernie Shavers inflicted the most damage.

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Leotis Martin vs. Sonny Liston: 2nd to his last fight Liston was KO'd by Martin,,, or was he really KO'd? *When the ref started counting notice how Sonny raises his head and turns it to rest on his forearm. That's not all. After the count of 10 Liston immediately raises himself up with his own two arms then flops himself over onto his back.* Correct?

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

*Thanks to Don Cuoco & Don Cogswell of the IBRO for information on Rocky's amateur career:* 1946 1. April 15, 1946 Henry Lester *(L-DQ3)* AAU Championship Tournament Portland, Oregon August, 1946: 2. August 23, Frederic L. Ross KO-1 3. August 23, Richard Jarvis KO-1 4. August 23, Joe DeAngelis *(L-3)* 1947 Massachusetts State Amateur Heavyweight Championship, Boston, January, 1947: 5. January 17, Jim Connolly KO-1 6. Jan 17, Bob Girard *(L-3)* 1948 Massachusetts/Rhode Island Golden Gloves Tournament, Lowell, Massachusetts January 1948: 7. Jan 26, Joe Sidlaskis KO-1 8. Charlie Mortimer KO-3 (Rocky wins Ma-RI Golden Gloves Tournament) New England Tournament of Champions, Feb 1948: 9. George McInnis TKO-1 (Rocky wins New England Tournament of Champions) Golden Gloves All-East Coast Championships, New York, New York March 1948: 10. March 1, Coley Wallace *(L-3)* AAU Olympic tryouts in Boston, 1948, March: 11. Fred Fischera KO 12. George McGinnis W-3 (Rocky wins AAU Heavyweight Championship) *So 178 to 184 lb light heavy aka tiny cruiser Rocky loses 4 fights in the amateurs, turns pro, and in 4 years fights 37 times. That's 9 fights per year. When did he ever find the time to recuperate? Well recuperation is not a requirement against factually known walk-in F-LEVEL amateur divers padding his resume. His last 3 years he only defended his title 6 times then suddenly disappeared into the underworld of loansharking. After studying all his opponents, and who they fought, my gut instinct says little Rocky is one of the biggest frauds in "Heavyweight" boxing history.*

[@Durango_Kid]

You're black David Frost

[@Durango_Kid]

@black David Frost That's your name isn't it? David Frost From Des Moines Iowa. Isn't you wife Mexicali Margot? Don't you have a brother named Kenny? Aren't you a blithering beeroholic that pukes on himdelf and that mistreats his ole' lady? Aren't you the one that claims to be an ex-pro fighter with 26 fights? Do I have the right black David Frost from Des Moines?

[@Jody-rb8nb]

Definitely a black.

[@Jabbing_Jack]

"In the ring, i never really knew fear." - Rocky Marciano

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Rocky was the best.

[@bobbyd1478]

This fight lasted exactly 39 min 43 sec. What happened to the other 36 min? This montage has been spliced, diced, and edited to show best parts. Crowd noise has also been added-in. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. If anyone has ever stepped through those ropes before they'd immediately know that both these guys are wide open and exposed. Rocky looks awful and would be KO'd within seconds today. The jab is the most effective punch in boxing yet neither uses one. Casuals always wonder why they never see these types of amateurish brawlers today. Well that's bcz they'd be obliterated. Undefeated light heavys Beterbiev/Bivol would humiliate Rocky.

[@bobbyd1478]

Minimal boxing skills. These guys were street fighters not boxers. Super Heavyweights Zhang Ngannou Parker Kabayel Vitali Foreman Lennox Briggs Peter would annihilate all these little light heavyweights within minutes. Ibeabuchi would definitely crush them. I had no idea how bad boxing skills were back in the day.

[@jerrylisby3440]

@@bobbyd1478Lol! Rocky undefeated. 43 knockouts of 49 fights. You are funny.

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

Wladimir Klitschko was more active than any recent Heavyweight champion, and he fought in a record 29 Heavyweight championship matches. He defended his title against all comers in four countries on three continents. He made 5 successful title defenses in his first reign as champion and an astonishing 18 in his second reign, which covered 12 years. Wladimir is one of the greatest Super Heavyweights who ever lived. Unfortunately haters must hate and Wlad is known more for 3 losses - to Puritty in 98,, to Sanders in 03,, and to Brewster in 04 - than for any of his wins. BUT he re-established himself after the loss to Brewster and reeled off 22 consecutive victories before ending his career with back-to-back losses to Fury and Joshua, dealing him his first losses in 11 years at the age of 40. He retired with a 64-5 record, a 25-4 mark in Heavyweight title fights and 53 knockouts. He never ducked anyone, but was never fully appreciated. He was a brilliant athlete, a magnificently proportioned and conditioned giant of a man. He weighed 245 pounds, stood 6 feet 6 inches, with an 81-inch reach and a jab that may have been exceeded in Heavyweight history only by Holmes and Liston. He moved like a man much smaller, light on his feet and thanks to the tutelage of the late great Emanuel Steward, cut off the ring expertly. For all his greatness in the ring, though, what made Wlad special was his presence outside of it. He was a man of arts and letters, owner of a doctorate in sports science, a charitable man who tirelessly raised money for children and who fought for human rights around the world. In 2014, he famously stood shoulder-to-shoulder with his brother, leading anti-government protests in the Ukraine. He made the world a better place for many with his efforts, standing as a symbol of courage and defiance in the face of overwhelming political power. Today the Klitschko brothers proudly defend their country against Russia.

[@Studentofsweetscience]

"When Sonny gave you the evil eye - I don't care who you were - you shrunk to two feet tall. And one thing more; he could fight like hell. They forget it now, but when Liston was champ, some people thought he was the greatest heavyweight of all time." -- Harold Conrad

[@Durango_Kid]

You are black David Frost

[@seniordavidmanderson9232]

@@Durango_Kid How many accounts do you need black David? You're black David Frost the most prolific Rocky Marciano hater on KZbin

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Frazier hurts every time he thinks of Ali. His hostility still rages within. It's a consuming, ugly bitterness he has carried for decades, the result of the hurtful things Ali has said. He insulted his intelligence, his character and his lack of black pride. Ali called Frazier ugly and ignorant and, most disturbingly, an Uncle Tom. Frazier, the son of South Carolina sharecroppers, was deeply wounded by Ali's ridicule which was accepted as socio-political fact and isolated Frazier from the black community. Ali somehow succeeded in making a fight between two African - American men a matter of black and white. Throughout the black community, he was an object of derision and scorn because of the way Ali treated him, it was cruel. The hatred grew intensely within Frazier. He was unable to compete with Ali's eloquence, but he had a left hook that could do the talking for him. Frazier, with loating in his heart and thunder in his Everlast gloves, punished Ali for the things he said. Notice after Ali vs Frazier 1 fight announcers said Frazier was feeling sic in his corner and he just wanted to go back to dressing room. That's because Joe couldn't slow his heart and nervous system back down to a resting state. Joe already had history of high blood pressure and diabetes, he spent nearly two weeks in the hospital for exhaustion, blood pressure, diabetes and kidney problems.. BUT BUT when he was in his 40s Joe was out dancing and singing in the clubs while Ali couldn't talk and his tremors were getting worse. Younger folks haven't a clue what Ali actually did to Joe, let me explain by saying it's exactly like today's Hollywood liberal cancel culture. Frazier hated that Louisville Lip and before fight he got on his knees and prayed to God that he could make Ali perish. Personally i have to admit, everytime Frazier smacked Ali i cheered, We All Cheered, MILLIONS CHEERED "We locked up three times. He won two, and I won one. But look at him now. I think I won all three." -- Joe Frazier

[@Jabbing_Jack]

THE ONLY UNDEFEATED, UNDISPUTED, PERFECT HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION IN BOXING HISTORY.

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Rocky is the goat.

[@bobbyd1478]

This fight lasted exactly 39 min 43 sec. What happened to the other 36 min? This montage has been spliced, diced, and edited to show best parts. Crowd noise has also been added-in. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. If anyone has ever stepped through those ropes before they'd immediately know that both these guys are wide open and exposed. Rocky looks awful and would be KO'd within seconds today. The jab is the most effective punch in boxing yet neither uses one. Casuals always wonder why they never see these types of amateurish brawlers today. Well that's bcz they'd be obliterated. Undefeated light heavys Beterbiev/Bivol would humiliate Rocky.

[@tiborsallai4449]

@@bobbyd1478 Yeah... all of the heavyweights called him the best of the best. Muhammad Ali praised him, Mike Tyson praised him, he was ranked highly on several all-time boxing lists but call professionals and thousands of experts stupid... :D

[@bobbyd1478]

@@tiborsallai4449 Regarding cherry picking quotes praising Marciano, you honestly don't think I could find twice as many narratives about the greatness of Zhang, Makhmudov, Holmes, Lennox, Wladamir, Vitali, Ibeabuchi, Ali, Foreman or even one hit wonder Ngannou?

[@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez]

UFC Heavyweight Champion Francis Ngannou 6' 4" 260-lbs with 83" reach paid a visit to UFC Performance Institute where he created the World record for the hardest punch ever measured. Ngannou recorded a punch of 129,161 units on a PowerKube, which measures the power of a punch based on a variety of different factors, including force, speed and accuracy. Ngannou produced 93hp which is equivalent to a small family car. People all around the World try to break his record that's stood for 5 years. He produced 51,064 ft. lbs/sec which is equivalent to 92.84hp... Ngannou set that record in 2017 and nobody has surpassed him yet -@ 'New world record for the HARDEST punch - Francis Ngannou - AFC'

[@russellb4510]

too bad he had a glass jaw.

[@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez]

For seven fights from 2010 to 2014, Floyd "Money" Mayweather, 50-0, made $217 million in guaranteed money, pulling down anywhere from $11 million to $41.5 million guaranteed per fight. He also gets a percentage of everything sold in arenas on fight night, from tickets to hot dogs. When he fought Canelo Alvarez in 2013 for a guaranteed $41.5 million, he reportedly took home more than $80 million. He made $102 million in 2014 alone, more than the likes of Cristiano Ronaldo ($21 million), LeBron James ($42 million) and Roger Federer ($65 million). His motto: *"Love me or hate me, you're gonna watch me."*

[@Studentofsweetscience]

"When you got hit by Sonny Liston's jab, it felt like you were getting hit with a telephone pole." -- Ray Schoeninger

[@Studentofsweetscience]

The Ring magazine ranks Liston as the tenth greatest heavyweight of all time, while boxing writer Herb Goldman ranked him second and Richard O'Brien, Senior Editor of Sports Illustrated, placed him third. Alfie Potts Harmer in The Sportster also ranked him the third greatest heavyweight and the sixth greatest boxer at any weight. Liston was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in 1991.

[@Studentofsweetscience]

The story of Liston winning the title from Patterson, memorizing a thank-you speech to deliver when he arrived back home (memorized because he couldn’t read) and then realizing nobody was waiting for him at the airport, and how crushed he was... fuckin' sad, man.

[@Boxingbear]

That is sad...I never knew that.

[@Jabbing_Jack]

The Best Ever Left This World.Sad Day In Boxing History.😢

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Rocky was the best.

[@bobbyd1478]

This fight lasted exactly 39 min 43 sec. What happened to the other 36 min? This montage has been spliced, diced, and edited to show best parts. Crowd noise has also been added-in. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. If anyone has ever stepped through those ropes before they'd immediately know that both these guys are wide open and exposed. Rocky looks awful and would be KO'd within seconds today. The jab is the most effective punch in boxing yet neither uses one. Casuals always wonder why they never see these types of amateurish brawlers today. Well that's bcz they'd be obliterated. Undefeated light heavys Beterbiev/Bivol would humiliate Rocky.

[@bobbyd1478]

Minimal boxing skills. These guys were street fighters not boxers. Super Heavyweights Zhang Ngannou Parker Kabayel Vitali Foreman Lennox Briggs Peter would annihilate all these little light heavyweights within minutes. Ibeabuchi would definitely crush them. I had no idea how bad boxing skills were back in the day.

[@bobbyd1776]

@@bobbyd1478 @Samantha_Lavery_Medici 1 month ago Rocky was the goat. You should listen to Samantha

[@Jabbing_Jack]

Rocky pounded you relentlessly.....endless cardio, endless fury, all champion.

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Rocky was the best.

[@bobbyd1478]

This fight lasted exactly 39 min 43 sec. What happened to the other 36 min? This montage has been spliced, diced, and edited to show best parts. Crowd noise has also been added-in. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. If anyone has ever stepped through those ropes before they'd immediately know that both these guys are wide open and exposed. Rocky looks awful and would be KO'd within seconds today. The jab is the most effective punch in boxing yet neither uses one. Casuals always wonder why they never see these types of amateurish brawlers today. Well that's bcz they'd be obliterated. Undefeated light heavys Beterbiev/Bivol would humiliate Rocky.

[@bobbyd1478]

Minimal boxing skills. These guys were street fighters not boxers. Super Heavyweights Zhang Ngannou Parker Kabayel Vitali Foreman Lennox Briggs Peter would annihilate all these little light heavyweights within minutes. Ibeabuchi would definitely crush them. I had no idea how bad boxing skills were back in the day.

[@bobbyd1776]

@@bobbyd1478 You should listen to Samantha @Samantha_Lavery_Medici Rocky was the best.

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Charles L. "Sonny" Liston was particularly known for his immense strength, formidable jab, long reach, toughness, and is widely regarded as the most intimidating man in the history of the sport. -- The Ring Magazine

[@Jabbing_Jack]

Marciano is the single greatest fighter this sport has or ever will produce!

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Rocky was the best.

[@Samantha_Lavery_Medici]

Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.

[@bobbyd1478]

This fight lasted exactly 39 min 43 sec. What happened to the other 36 min? This montage has been spliced, diced, and edited to show best parts. Crowd noise has also been added-in. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. If anyone has ever stepped through those ropes before they'd immediately know that both these guys are wide open and exposed. Rocky looks awful and would be KO'd within seconds today. The jab is the most effective punch in boxing yet neither uses one. Casuals always wonder why they never see these types of amateurish brawlers today. Well that's bcz they'd be obliterated. Undefeated light heavys Beterbiev/Bivol would humiliate Rocky.

[@bobbyd1478]

Minimal boxing skills. These guys were street fighters not boxers. Super Heavyweights Zhang Ngannou Parker Kabayel Vitali Foreman Lennox Briggs Peter would annihilate all these little light heavyweights within minutes. Ibeabuchi would definitely crush them. I had no idea how bad boxing skills were back in the day.

[@bobbyd1776]

@@bobbyd1478 @Samantha_Lavery_Medici 1 month ago Rocky was the goat. You should listen to Samantha

[@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez]

"Consider that in Dec. 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. Boxing historians Herb Goldman and Charley Rose rated Marciano at # 8, "Mr. Boxing, himself," Nat Fleischer rated him at # 10 and John McCallum's Survey of Old Timers (survey of a group of historians and writers) had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Marciano in their lifetime thought he was a top 7 all time Heavyweight and 68 years have passed since Rocky retired." -- by Monte D. Cox, (IBRO) International Boxing Research Organization, 2004. So what happened??? How did little 184-lb cruiserweight Rocky with the shortest-ever 67" flyweight reach go from 7th ranked greatest heavyweight of all-time throughout the 60s and 70s all the way up to 3rd or 4th greatest Super Heavyweight in 2023??? He only fought 7 years and only defended his cruiser title 6 times while everyone else fought 15 to 20 years and defended their title/titles 10, 15, 20, 25 times. And the funniest thing is, he only defended his title against one cruiserweight and the rest were light heavyweights moonlighting as heavyweights bcz no top-notch genuine 200+lbs Heavyweights existed!!!

[@blackDavidFrost-n-desmoines685]

The great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD, RETIRED, AND COMPLETELY BROKE, JOE LOUIS The great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD Southpaw 200 lb Cruiserweight Usyk is actually bigger than Ali. Joshua came in at 240 lbs, only an 18 lb weight advantage over Usyk 222 lbs 6'3.2" height 78.2" reach. Holyfield 218 lbs 6'2.5" height 78" reach. Michael Spinks 208 lbs 6' 2.5" height 76" reach. Ali 215 lbs 6'2.5" (passport) height 78" reach. And of course we mustn't forget 185 lb 5'10" little white Rocky with his famously shortest "ever" 67" inch bantamweight T-rex alligator arm reach. Maybe little white Rocky could have beaten that circus clown Jess Willard who was paraded around for 4 years without a single fight. Or maybe he could have even beat that other circus clown Primo Carnera who was daily alcoholic (like Andre the Giant) and 100% mafioso controlled. The ‘ambling alp’ was an awful boxer with gigantism or acromegaly (like Andre the Giant). He was promoted as a monster because of his size, but he was really clumsy and couldn`t punch with his full weight, he was completely exposed by Joe Louis who easily battered Primo into submission. Y'all white Marciano lovers fail to ever mention Marciano's Forced retirement. Why? Because Marciano couldn't take the pain anymore from two confirmed nose surgeries, hand surgery, hundreds of stitches, chronic back pain and constant migraines cause his head was used as a Pinata constantly gettin smacked around,, here,, you hit me five times,, and I'll hit you back one time,, Duh. And all that talk about retiring for his family nonsense was simply a bull•••• publicity stunt because he immediately abandoned his family and left them penniless when he perished.

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

179 lb light heavyweight Marciano opponents (not in exact order): *We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they were. Pro boxers can be evaluated using grades A, B, C, D, and F which has been used in boxing for decades:* Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?* *Even little 179 lb light heavyweight Rocky's 5 best opponents, Charles, Moore, Walcott, Layne, LaStarza -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!* IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0: TOO MANY D AND F-LEVEL AMATEUR WALK-IN BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$ *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine* Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG boxer Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought the light heavyweight?

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Boxing Historian Monte Cox wrote: “Liston was made to be a fighter. His physical attributes bordered on the freakish. At six-foot, one-inch, he had an eighty-four inch reach-longer than that of all other champions with the exception of Primo Carnera. His neck was a massive eighteen inches. But the number that leaps off the page-the statistic that looks initially lik' a typo-is that which corresponds to his hands. When closed into a fist, they measured fifteen inches around, virtually twice the size of an average man’s. To contemplate the impact of a fist that large, delivered over a distance that great, from a man so determined to do damage, would give even the bravest opponent pause."

[@garybenson2280]

Not a boxing match, that was a none stop brawl. Their stamina and conditioning must have been something else to keep that up as long as they did. Amazing fight

[@Hibernicus1968]

Marciano was famous for his punching power, but he is less well known for something he _should_ be even more famous for: his stamina. Probably no fighter ever stepped into the ring better conditioned. The man trained like a fiend, and developed simply phenomenal endurance. He fought at a middleweight pace, and on average threw twice as many punches per round as most other fighters. He kept one-punch knockout power all the way to the end of a fight, in contrast to guys like George Foreman, who had devastating power early, but ran out of gas after the early rounds.

[@bobbyd5276]

It's interesting how people who experienced watching Marciano in real time don't hold him in the same high regard as folks later on in spite the multitude of great fighters who came on the scene after he quit (Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, Klitschko's, etc.). There's a lot of mythology with Marciano and a lot of selective memory about his career. He was brilliantly managed to preserve his undefeated record.

[@bobbyd5276]

I quite enjoyed the 100 Greatest Heavyweight series, and it got me thinking about how nice a boost *"Time"* tends to give to a fighters ranking. 1962: In December 1962, a Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts had Jack Dempsey rated the #1 Heavyweight of all-time, with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano 7th. 1971: In 1971, Nat Fleischer, boxing's most famous historian and also editor and founder of Ring magazine , named Marciano as the all-time 10th greatest Heavyweight champion. 1998: Despite the intervening years producing the likes of Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, Klitschko's et al.," in 1998, Ring magazine named Marciano as the 6th greatest Heavyweight champion ever. 2005: We float around to 2005, and Marciano was named the 5th greatest Heavyweight of all-time by the International Boxing Research Organization. 2007: In 2007, Marciano was named the 4th greatest Heavyweight of all-time by ESPN behind (in order) Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis, Jack Johnson, and Rocky Marciano. 2023: We skip to the modern day, and somehow he's been bumped up to 3rd. Will he one day be greater than Ali??? It's easy to see little Rocky's progression. The key is understanding *why?* Despite his perfect record against the weakest 'Heavyweight' division of all-time, Marciano was never close to being rated towards the top throughout the 60s and 70s. So why did he climb from *10th* in 71, *6th* in 98, to *4th* in 07??? Bcz the greatest boxing historian whoever lived and founder of The Ring Mr. Boxing himself Nat Fleischer died in 72. They all started passing away including Rocky in 69. That's when his fame really started to grow. *After his death is when all the sympathy articles begin to appear. Then it just grew and grew to the point where he could walk on water and beat every Super Heavyweight champion with ease. Little Rocky was so awesome that even Don Turner said, "Marciano could KO both Klitschko brothers at the same time!"* *Little Marciano was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman. He broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,679 teeth, and ruptured 792 blood vessels. I also know for a fact that little Rocky is god , because when he walked the earth shook.*

[@Studentofsweetscience]

This montage has been spliced, diced, and edited to show best parts. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. But if ya wanna see real genuine Heavyweights slugfest watch Foreman vs. Lyle,, Ibeabuchi vs. Tua,, or Vitali vs. Sanders. Little cruiserweight Rocky only weighed 184-lbs with a 67" flyweight reach.

[@Matt_Andrew349]

@@bobbyd5276 LMAO did _you_ watch Marciano in real time? So how do you know all that? Yeah didn't think so.

[@vicgallimore6756]

Both could take it and give it. Great performance from both fighters.

[@Studentofsweetscience]

This 4 minute montage has been spliced, diced and edited to show the fights only action throughout 13 rounds. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. Foreman vs. Lyle was slugfest. Liston vs. Williams was slugfest. Ibeabuchi vs. Tua was slugfest. Vitali vs. Sanders was slugfest. Holmes vs. Norton was slugfest. Ali vs. Frazier was slugfest.

[@Stout_Krout_HinesburgVT6337]

Those old-school Super Heavyweight champions like 165-lb Fitzsimmons, 175-lb Burns, 181-lb Charles, 182-lb Patterson, and 184-lb Marciano are Gone Finished History. Welcome to the new "SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT" era that little Rocky wouldn't even be sanctioned to enter.

[@Stout_Krout_HinesburgVT6337]

[[[[[ 🏋️""SIZE MATTERS LIKE IT OR NOT""🏋️ ]]]]] NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF BOXING HAS A 190 LB MAN BEAT AN ELITE SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT BOXING CHAMPION

[@Stout_Krout_HinesburgVT6337]

Marciano could only dream of defending the title 25 times like Joe Louis did much less come back for more at age 37

[@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez]

Marciano fans describe him as being *so fierce* that he practically *killed all 49* of his opponents in the ring. Y'all have these vids *saturated with so much exaggerated nonsense* that it's laughable. *Little 184-lb cruiserweight Marciano was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman. He broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,679 teeth, and ruptured 792 blood vessels. I also know for a fact that little Rocky is god , because when he walked the earth shook.* If little cruiserweight Rocky was *all-so-powerful* why didn't he *ever break any bones???* He never broke *one rib,* *one nose,* *one eye-socket,* *one jaw* or *detached one retina.* Exactly *who's bones did he break???* Waiting,, Tic Toc Tic Toc... *""NOBODY""!!!! ""ZERO""!!!!* Roland LaStarza with all his supposed *"Broken Bones"* and *"Ruptured Blood Vessels"* only had to have *'minor'* surgery. Y'all act as if *both his arms were decapitated.* LaStarza simply had *miniscule bone-chips* removed from his elbow just like David Tua did after his fight with Ibeabuchi. *It is a common boxing injury because everyone blocks punches using their forearms and elbows.* Besides LaStarza said, *"I already had elbow problems before i even fought Marciano."* I have the *article.* When Roland left boxing he went on to a very lucrative TV acting career. Here's the newspaper article about Layne's tooth: *"Rex Layne lost a left upper tooth..the tooth broke at the gums when Marciano caught the Utahn in the mouth with a full right hand. Layne was taken immediately after the fight to a New York dentist to have the teeth X-rayed and also for treatment on a broken tooth." Layne's handlers said, "the tooth went out with the gumshield."* Rex only sustained *"ONE"* broken tooth! He fought Charles exactly 3 months later so what's the big deal??? *Folks break their teeth all the time skateboarding or slippin-n-fallin on the ice.* "He punched out almost every tooth in Rex Lyne's mouth and sent his gum guard into the crowd. It take massive power to do that. If Layne was 6'6 240+ it wouldn't of made any difference." -- *written by a-typical Marciano Fanboy 12 years ago.*

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Joe Frazier was born January 12, 1944, the twelfth child of Dolly Alston-Frazier and Rubin in Beaufort, South Carolina. He was raised in a rural community of Beaufort called Laurel Bay. Long before he became Smokin' Joe, the future heavyweight champion was known in his South Carolina hometown as "Billy Boy" -- a stocky farmer's son who honed his devastating left hook on a punching bag made from a flour sack stuffed with corn cobs, rags and Spanish moss. By age 6, Frazier was in the fields helping his brothers and sisters pick tomatoes and other crops. He began driving his father's pickup truck when he was 7. His mother would later recall Frazier started to fight around the age of 9. Frazier's father encouraged the brawling, saying he could grow up to be the next Joe Louis, and Frazier started training with whatever materials he had at hand. The fighter later said he gave daily beatings to his homemade punching bag for several years. Frazier was expelled from school in the ninth grade when he fought a white student for calling his mother names. He got a job working construction that helped him build his body and earn enough money to leave the South. In 1959, at age 15, he boarded a Greyhound bus and went to New York to live with his brother. He soon moved to Philadelphia and got a job in a slaughterhouse, where he practiced his punches on sides of meat. He rose to prominence quickly after joining a gym. He turned pro in 1965 after winning an Olympic gold medal in Japan. He fought in some of the most exciting, important and memorable boxing matches in history. He is considered one of boxing's 10 greatest Heavyweight champions ever and is in the International and World Boxing Halls of Fame.

[@Tony-ke1ce]

JOE FRAZIER SOMEONE TO ADMIRE FOR HIS DIGNITY, HIS HEART OPEN AND CARING AND HIS BOXING 🥊 GOD BLESS JOE FRAZIER 👑🥊🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🤝🏻🇺🇸✝️🙏🏻🙏🏿😇.

[@olliefoxx7165]

Smh...."...he got into a fight with a WHITE student that called his mother names..." Really? A white student? As if the race was important, as if no BLACK student ever called him names? Smh....it just gets old. You people are obsessed with race. I suppose you forgot to mention gender. Why not throw in their religion as well? Just make the nameless student the complete stereotypical villain.

[@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez]

A closer glance at Joe Louis' 8 fight winning streak which helped him become the #1 ranked contender before he faced little 184lb cruiserweight Rocky Marciano. Below is the "SIX" (6) boxers Louis beat: #1) 196lb Cesar Brian -- Decision -- Brian had an abysmal 36% KO's. Brian's career record of 49 wins 11 losses looks okay until ya see (25) of his wins came against his fellow Argentinians who helped pad his record. #2) 191lb Freddie Beshore -- KO -- 28-10-1 ..5' 9" Freddie had a featherfisted 24% KO's. F-LEVEL Beshore was on a 4-fight losing streak before he faced Joe. *Why would Joe even consider fighting someone who had just lost 5 out of his last 6 fights??* We all know why! #3) 187lb Omelio Agramonte -- Decision -- I watched their entire fight and Joe's combinations were non-existent. Agramonte had a low-power 45% KOs. The announcer said Louis was supposed to fight Charles after the Savold fight but the Louis camp ducked the light heavyweight bcz they knew Joe was washed. #4) 194lb Andy Walker -- TKO -- 17-8-7 Andy was powderpuffer with 17% KO's. His F-LEVEL career record was 18 wins 20 losses. #5) 188lb Omelio Agramonte -- Decision *AGAIN* -- Why Twice??? What happened to much better opponents Baker, Johnson, Maxim, Pompey, Matthews, Satterfield, Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith and Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard?? Where did LaStarza and Moore disappear to?? Why not Charles or Walcott again?? We all know why!!! #6) 190lb Lee Savold -- KO -- Savold lost 45 fights and was KOd 12 times. Even the announcer said, "Joe Louis reflexes are but a memory." *These two should have been retired. They just pushed Louis through towards Marciano so everyone could fill their pockets with money.* #7) 197lb Cesar Brian -- Decision *AGAIN* -- Why Twice??? What happened to much better opponents Baker, Johnson, Maxim, Pompey, Matthews, Satterfield, Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith and Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard?? Where did LaStarza and Moore disappear to?? Why not Charles or Walcott again?? We all know why!!! #8) 179lb Jimmy Bivins -- Decision - 5' 9" light heavyweight Bivins had 25 losses and was KOd 5 times. He also had an abysmal 27% KO's. Talk about bum-of-the-month-club, WOW. Notice the 5 decisions. A prime 24yr old (1938) Joe Louis would have easily accumulated 8 knockouts against those powder-puffers. It was obviously a predetermined carefully hand-picked set-up. So Joe comes out of retirement and takes the worst beating of his career from 181lb light heavyweight Charles, then he fights 6 stiffs and becomes the #1 ranked contender. Please. What a horrendous weak division. *Boxing-elites, Italian-mafioso, and the IRS really needed Joe to be ranked #1 inorder to get their Louis vs. Marciano $$-SHOW-$$. The only loyalty the Italian-mob had was to money.* Hey, they took 50% of Marciano's earnings and all ticket sales, all in all $2 Million. $2 Million in 1955 is equivalent to $21 Million today. Norris, Carbo, and Weill had complete control over little Rocky and very carefully selected his opposition. *The Louis camp negotiated a deal with the IRS under which he would come out of retirement, with all his net proceeds going to the IRS. After boxing Joe ended up in the pro wrestling circuit and they still took his money. But that gig finished when Cowboy Rocky Lee lunged onto him with both feet, his boots colliding with Louis' torso. The crash cracked three of his ribs. It left him with a cardiac contusion and officially ended his stint as a wrestler. Children used to send him one dollar in the mail. In his biography he said a child walked up and handed him a dime. When Joe was broken physically and mentally the IRS finally stopped collecting. He lived with friends until he died.*

[@germanmorales1619]

El negocio por sobre los púgiles. Así fué siempre en ee uu. Y no fué solo Joe Louis el único perjudicado. Todos, desde John Sullivan hasta el mismo Tyson han sido perjudicados en el tema económico. Rocky Marciano tuvo su mérito deportivo, de no ser así no lo hubieran promocionado en lo absoluto. Desmerecer su carrera es desmerecer también a otros pesos pesados; que estuvieron antes y despuésde el.

[@bobbyd1776]

Here you call Bivens a member of the bum of the month club. But you also say Rocky needed to fight Bivens in order to clean out the division. See your numerous posts to that effect above. Why would Rocky need to fight someone you refer to as a bum of the month? That makes no sense whatsoever

[@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez]

Buster Douglas 6' 4" 240lbs with 83" reach was a top-notch Super Heavyweight champion. On the other hand little 184lb cruiserweight Rocky was barely 5' 10" with the shortest-ever 67" flyweight reach. At least 220lb Mike Tyson beat genuine authentic top-notch 230+lbs Super Heavyweights,, not little middleweights (Ross, Bilazarian) and light heavyweights (Charles, Moore, Matthews, Haft, Lowry, Applegate, Jefferson etc.) Prime 220lb Phenom "Iron Mike" easily KO's the little 184lb slow-plodding cruiserweight Rocky Marciano 10 out of 10 times and that's not even debatable.

[@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez]

Supposedly LaStarza was one of Marciano's best opponents, he was 37-0. How many of y'all actually studied the 37 guys LaStarza fought??? Well here we see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they were. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using grades A, B, C, D, and F which has been used in boxing for decades: Walter Hafer - 22 wins 26 losses with 26% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jackie Lyons - 32 wins 24 losses with 23% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Carollo - 36 wins 17 losses with 16% KOs *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Weinberg - 44 wins 22 losses with 34% KOs *D-LEVEL* Gene Gosney - 14 wins 5 losses with 42% KOs *D-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Mike Jacobs - 14 wins 16 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Mel McKinney - 8 wins 10 losses with 5% KOs *F-LEVEL* Teddy Georges - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Oscar Goode - 43 wins 23 losses with 20% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tony Gangemi - 21 wins 18 losses with 26% KOs *F-LEVEL* Benny Rusk - 20 wins 17 losses with 27% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred McManus - 18 wins 19 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Holloway - 2 wins 11 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Claude McClintock - 1 win 9 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Steve King - 21 wins 11 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy White - 9 wins 17 losses with 11% KOs *F-LEVEL* Frankie Reed - 2 wins 14 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Mike Belluscio - 15 wins 10 losses with 37% KOs *F-LEVEL* Luther McMillan - 13 wins 19 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Ramsey - 8 wins 12 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Matt Mincy - 0 wins 11 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lorne McCarthy - 2 wins 11 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL* Matt Mincy - 0 wins 11 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Zeke Brown - 0 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jim Johnson - 3 wins 22 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Dodd - 8 wins 12 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Al Zappala - 20 wins 27 losses with 9% KOs *F-LEVEL* Zack Johnson - 3 wins 7 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Dave Glanton - 1 win 13 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* #37) Cesar Brion - 49 wins 11 losses with 36% KOs *C-LEVEL* looks okay until ya *see how many of his wins came against his fellow Argentinians* WORST 37-0 EVER!!! Yes LaStarza was a masterfully protected fighter. He beat just one ranked opponent, a past his sell by date Rex Layne. *"There are so many names from his era conspicuously missing from his record. Roland LaStarza's only claim to fame was having lost a close decision to Marciano. There are no names on Roland's record except for Rocky."* --Chuck Hasson Boxing Historian and Philly Boxing Founder Lewis Watson, the boxing writer and historian, speaks of the artificial puffing up of records against cherry picked competition, saying: *"Promoters looking for a way to get their prizefighters a big payoff will first invest thousands of dollars in padding his numbers against truly horrendous opponents."*

[@bobbyd1776]

Lets look at this post from you @Robert_Isaac_Cunningham ​ @bobbyd1776 Marty Marshall easily beats little Rocky. Anyone who thinks Marty Marshall is easily beating Rocky is clueless about boxing and should not be giving out grades

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

Consider that in December 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 4, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. 'Mr Boxing' himself, Nat Fleischer rated Marciano at # 10, Boxing historians Herb Goldman and Charley Rose rated Marciano at # 8 and John McCallum's Survey of Old Timers (historians and writers) had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Marciano in their lifetime thought he was a top 7 all time Heavyweight and 68 years have passed since Rocky retired. EXPLAIN HOW LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT ROCKY GOES FROM 7TH PLACE DURING THE 60s AND 70s TO TOP 4 SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT IN 2024? Bcz his ranking is determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation. That's why 165 pound 'Heavyweight' champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of giant Riddick Bowe. Even though ranking bodies exclude "WEIGHT" from their metric, they STILL ACKNOWLEDGE (18) EIGHTEEN DIFFERENT WEIGHT CLASSES,, imagine that? 'AGE' is another code omitted from the metric. Algorithms cannot see Moore was at least 42 and Walcott was at least 40. Algorithms cannot see Charles/Moore were light heavyweights and Joe Louis's reflexes were completely shot. The Algorithms only acknowledge Marciano fought 4 (washed) Hall of Famers and went 49-0. And that's exactly why the little light heavy aka tiny cruiser is ranked ahead of dozens of topnotch genuine Super Heavyweights!

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Why didn't little 184lb Marciano clean out his division like Liston did? *Why didn't he fight Marty Marshall, Johnson, Maxim, Pompey, Bivins, Satterfield, Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith and Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard just to name a few?* For 9 years from 55 to 64 Liston decimated his division. Johansson and Cooper declined to fight him. Frazier's team refused to fight him. On the other hand little Rocky was *NEVER* ducked. Moore, Walcott and LaStarza repeatedly petitioned to fight him hundreds of times. Everyone wanted to fight little Rocky bcz he couldn't hurt you the way Sonny could.

[@ashishjoshi8148]

What a fight! To see these two lion-hearted warriors go at each other is an experience in itself. But then that was a different era.

[@Studentofsweetscience]

Little Rocky only weighed 184 pounds.. 280 pound Zhang just fought 250 pound Joyce several weeks ago. Little Rocky wouldn't even be sanctioned to fight these Super Heavyweights.

[@Studentofsweetscience]

This 4 minute montage has been spliced, diced and edited to show the fights only action throughout 13 rounds. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. Foreman vs. Lyle was slugfest. Liston vs. Williams was slugfest. Ibeabuchi vs. Tua was slugfest. Vitali vs. Sanders was slugfest. Holmes vs. Norton was slugfest. Ali vs. Frazier was slugfest.

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

"From the beginning and all through the buildup of the Walcott vs. Louis 1 fight in 1947, the press criticized Walcott. *In no time at all, his age became a huge subject of debate. Every sports reporter claimed that Jersey Joe was at least 38 years old. Others said he was older.* Sportswriters dubbed him "Pappy," "elderly," "ancient," and "aging" were commonly used to describe Walcott. Since he was born at home and not in a hospital, he could not prove his age with a birth certificate that was filed when he was born. Walcott had to have a birth certificate for the different state boxing commission's inorder to continue boxing. Needless to say Walcott haphazardly created and filed a birth certificate in 1936 when he was in his mid 20s at the Camden Bureau of Vital Statistics." *It's all there in Walcott's biography Chapter 9 page 71. If Walcott was 38 when he fought Louis in 47 wouldn't that put him at 43 when he faced Rocky in 52?* It makes perfect sense when ya study Walcott's facial features and the way his legs faded around the 10th round. Walcott got trapped against the ropes with *'Both Hands Down'* during the 13th. As little Rocky slowly shuffled towards Walcott why didn't he move to his left or right like he was previously doing? Bcz his ring worn 40yr old senior citizen legs were washed, that's why. Hey, it happens to us all. Nobody escapes father time! *Little flyweight-reach 184lb-cruiser Rocky's resume:* Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?* *Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!* IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0 *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine* Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

There are few Heavyweight champions in the history of boxing that are better known for their losses than their wins. *Jersey Joe Walcott's high profile losses is what elevated his status and built up his credentials,, not his wins.* *During his peak championship years, Walcott scored 7 wins with 5 KO's. Only one of those KO's came against a ranked fighter, that being Ezzard Charles. During this time Walcott also lost 7 times and suffered 10 count KO's 3 times and a 9 count once. In total fights during this time Walcott's record was 7-7. In title fights he went 2-6 with 1 KO win and 3 KO losses. He fought 3 different men in his 8 title fights, was defeated by each of them twice, KO'd by two of them and only defeated one of them.* In his overall career Walcott had a *49-20-1* record and was *KO'd 6 times* (BoxRec). Based on these *less than impressive stats* it is difficult to consider him anymore than a *good Journeyman.* Walcott scored 32 KO's in 70 fights. The *'only two'* 'ranked' fighters Walcott ever KO'd was an off the floor 10th round win over Curtis Sheppard and the *lightning in the bottle* KO of Ezzard Charles. Walcott is a prime example of boxing historians rating a fighter *higher than he deserves based on impressive losses.* Walcott was winless* in all 4 of his fights vs. Louis/Marciano and was KO'd 3 times. *The fact that Walcott was granted 6 title attempts in a 6 year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division must have been at this time. ""Five"" of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss.* Had Walcott been fighting in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, 2000's, there is *no-way* he would have been granted this many opportunities after *losing so-many title attempts.* Walcott should at best be remembered not as a great Heavyweight champion, but a *good C-LEVEL Journeyman.* If a fighter today had 20 losses and was KO'd 6 times he'd be considered F-LEVEL all day every day. Wilder and Joshua only have 5 losses between them yet they are already considered has-beens. *But it's perfectly fine for Walcott Charles Moore to have (68) losses, double standard.* Lennox Lewis was only KO'd 2 times and his top-10 ranking has suffered ever since. But it's perfectly fine for Walcott Charles Moore to have been KO'd (20) times, double standard. *Little flyweight-reach 184lb-cruiser Rocky's resume:* Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?* *Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!* IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0 *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine* Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott's 20 losses: *1.* ln 1930 Walcott lost to 159-lb Palmer. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *SEVEN* years old. *2.* In 1930 Walcott lost to 158-lb Carl Mays. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *EIGHT* years old. *3.* In 1933 Walcott lost to 177-lb Henry Taylor. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *TEN* years old. *4.* In 1936 Walcott was *KOd* by 191-lb Al Ettore. Marciano was *THIRTEEN* years old. *5.* In 1936 Walcott lost to 179-lb Billy Ketchell. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *THIRTEEN* years old. *6.* In 1937 Walcott was *KOd* by 178-lb Tiger Jack Fox. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *FOURTEEN* years old. *7.* In 1937 Walcott lost to 174-lb George Brothers. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *FOURTEEN* years old. *8.* In 1938 Walcott lost to 184-lb Tiger Jack Fox AGAIN. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *FIFTEEN* years old. *9.* In 1938 Walcott lost to 197-lb Roy Lazer. Marciano was *FIFTEEN* years old. *10.* In 1940 Walcott was *KO'd and sent into RETIREMENT for 4-years* by 256-lb Super Heavyweight Abe Simon. *"Behind in points, Simon unleashed a tremendous right @ **2:32** into the sixth causing the knockout. Walcott barely moved as he was counted out."* --Wiki ..Marciano was *SEVENTEEN* years old. *11.* In 1945 Walcott lost to 204-lb Johnny Allen who had more losses than wins. Marciano was *TWENTY TWO* years old. *12.* In 1946 Walcott lost to 179-lb Joey Maxim. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *TWENTY THREE* years old. *13.* In 1946 Walcott lost to 191-lb Elmer Ray. Marciano was *TWENTY THREE* years old. *14.* In 1947 Walcott lost to 212-pound Joe Louis. JOE LOUIS SAID HE BEAT WALCOTT IN THIS BOUT.. LOUIS ALSO SAID WALCOTT WAS OLDER THAN HE WAS *(@ Louis vs. Walcott The Way it Was Part 1 and 2).* Marciano was *TWENTY FOUR* years old. *15.* In 1948 Walcott was *KOd* by 213-lb Joe Louis. Louis barely got through the Journeyman so he announced his retirement March 1, 1949. Louis's once speedy reflexes were gone and it showed. Marciano was *TWENTY FIVE* years old. *16.* In 1949 Walcott lost to 181-lb Ezzard Charles. This fight was for the *"vacant"* Heavyweight title. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *TWENTY SIX* years old. *17.* In 1950 Walcott lost to 192-lb Rex Layne. Marciano was *TWENTY SEVEN* years old. *18.* In 1951 Walcott lost to 185-lb Ezzard Charles AGAIN. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *TWENTY EIGHT* years old. *19.* In 1952 Walcott was *KOd* by 184-lb Rocky Marciano. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *TWENTY NINE* years old. *IT IS OUT OF THE QUESTION THAT WALCOTT WAS IN HIS PRIME vs. MARCIANO BECAUSE IT'S SCIENTIFICALLY AND MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE!!! AND JUST BECAUSE YOU SAY HE WAS PRIME DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE!!! PUT WALCOTT AT (( 29 )) AND MARCIANO AT (( 39 )) - WHAT HAPPENS???* *20.* In 1953 Walcott was *KOd* by little 184-lb Rocky Marciano. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *THIRTY* years old and Walcott was *FORTY!!!* *Little flyweight-reach 184lb-cruiser Rocky's resume:* Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?* *Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!* IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0 *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine* Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?

[@Stout_Krout_Columbia_MD]

178lb light heavy to 184lb tiny cruiser Rocky's conditioning is another manufactured fallacy and 236lb Ibeabuchi vs. 226lb Tua proved it when they threw a record breaking 1,730 haymakers in only 12 rds. *When "The President" Nigerian Ike Ibeabuchi met "The Tuamanator" Samoan David Tua the Nigerian got out to an insanely fast start, throwing 91 punches in round one according to CompuBox, 91 again in round two, and 95 in round three, obscene numbers for a Heavyweight. By the final bell, Ibeabuchi and Tua had combined to throw 1,730 punches, breaking the Heavyweight record set by Ali vs. Frazier III, when they combined for 1,591 punches - in 14 rounds, two rounds more than Ibeabuchi and Tua had to work with. Ike threw 975 punches, the most ever by a single Heavyweight. Both fighters had a brawling fight style, they were both 24 years old at the time of this epic "tribal" battle and they were both undefeated going in to this fight. 226lb Tua's record stood at 27-0-0 23KO's while 236lb Ibeabuchi's record stood at 16-0-0 12KO's.* This fight is the stuff that dreams were made of. Two Super Heavyweight warriors stood toe to toe exhibiting exceptional heart and endurance. Both boxers threw bombs and neither took a backward step. After the fight Ibeabuchi complained of a headache and was taken to a hospital. He underwent several tests including an MRI scan but nothing abnormal was found and was immediately released. A week after the fight Tua had surgery to remove bone chips from his left elbow. And Ike's in🎃sanity had nothing to do with anything he injested lik-roids, he was too paranoid of medications to take anything illegal. Ike was an anomaly, one in a million. No heavyweight of his generation possessed more ability. He was a prodigy. He had amazing power. He had fierce determination and he had no fear of anybody, and he believed that he was the King, that nobody could beat him. He’d walk into the ring and you would almost have this vision of a bull coming at a matador with the steam coming out of the nostrils. Unfortunately, here was a very scary man both in and out of the ring. And it’s unfortunate that we’ll never know what could have been. Bob Arum: "I don’t know, but it was the Heavyweight division and people love a puncher, and while he probably couldn’t have made what Mike Tyson made, but he would have been damn close. You know, hundreds of millions of dollars, sure. But again, again, that’s life, that’s life. You have to be a person, you have to be sane, you have to comport yourself with some kind of dignity and some kind of grace in order to realize that type of reward, and he couldn’t do it." 21 months later, 245lb Ibeabuchi confirmed that he was indeed the best up-and-coming heavyweight on the planet by knocking out undefeated 26-0 quick and slick southpaw Chris Byrd. Ibeabuchi was 20-0 with 15 knockouts, only 26 years old .. and he never fought again. Byrd: "I got a little arrogant, thinking I’m unhittable. Cause I just thought, Oh man, he can’t hit me! I’m gonna slip everything. And, boom, just got caught. When I got knocked down the first time, I got, literally, the canvas woke me up. I was asleep before I hit the ground, and when I hit the canvas it woke me up. I asked the referee why he stopped the fight? What are you doing? "The bell rung!" But my bell was still ringing, that’s what was ringing, was my bell." 245lb Ike Ibeabuchi would have been the heir to Lennox Lewis throne. The Klitschko's would have been gate keepers if he was around. Ike was a Super Heavyweight with serious power, great speed, chin of iron, a boxer and a brawler, freakish stamina, threw punches in bunches and had a ridiculous work-rate with KO written all over his punches. *Little 5' 9" 184lb Rocky with tiny 67" flyweight reach gets flattened by the 245lb prodigy Ibeabuchi 10 out of 10 times and that's not debatable!* The way Rocky fans go on and on about how he's the best conditioned fighter that ever lived is laughable. So Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Marvin Hagler, Manny Pacquiao, David Tua and Ike Ibeabuchi never trained? What a Joke.