ROGUE ONE SPOILERCAST | ComicPOP

[@TheMartyrdoom]

you guys totally forgot that Leia was literally on her way to get obi wan before she got intercepted by Vader in episode 4, she knew where he was cause she was told by that dude aka her foster dad, her message says it all, obi wan your my only hope, she was told by her foster father to inform obi wan or get him to join the cause but before she leaves the rebel fleet is called into battle to help get the plans on Scarif, so she changers the original plan of just reaching obi wan, to tagging along with the fleet, she then gets the plans and hyper jumps to Tatooine where she was told of obi wan's location, it fits perfectly. But that's just my opinion.

[@comicpop]

+smileyShiiZniTZ Nobody forgot anything.

[@RealWrestlingWFI]

Well all of you were asking "Well how in the hell did he know where Obi Wan was hiding??"

[@comicpop]

+WeThePeople1st Not all of us

[@TheMartyrdoom]

ComicPOP well none of you decided to tell rob otherwise

[@ianmckee4726]

Well Bail Organa was in the room when Obiwan and Yoda decided to go into exile and split up the kids. So he would know Obiwamn was on Tatooine, although how he intended for Leia to find him on that whole planet is anyone's guess. Also how exactly Obiwan would have helped them take down the Deathstar on the off chance that the plan worked is another question. So if the genosians had the deathstar plans back in return of the clones, and the work had started by the end of sith and took until this movei to get working, how did they get the second death star on line in like 4 yrs?

[@johnny2003]

"I'm going for it!!" *dead* I laughed so loud out of nowhere. I always identified as the person who gets a lightsaber and then within a week I would have lost a finger. So I identified with his immediate failure.

[@ducdantalion2317]

I did not have issues with the audio of leia: I had to watch Rogue One in my native language because the cinema next to my place doesn't play movies in VO, but the voice over was the originals voices who dubbed the original movies for every old characters, we just had a new audio track.

[@liverusrock6789]

This movie felt more like a war movie, maybe it's because they show us the fight in the ground

[@HollowGolem]

My headcanon on lightsabers is that because of their design, a non-Force-sensitive wielder is basically attempting suicide because of how dangerous they are to handle.

[@sirtoby4939]

Sal sounds like he lost his virginity because of Star Wars.

[@austincole7286]

for all we know he did

[@chowderman8888]

also i like the idea of the father who makes a flaw in the deathstar. like that makes sense to me because how else would it be posible for the empire to make a death star without that flaw

[@Bryan-dr5qy]

Well Darth Vader was always kind of witty to me. "I find your lack of faith disturbing", "Apology accepted Captain Needa", "We would be honored if you would join us".

[@Alecy93]

"Bitch I Watched you away from me!" --Darth Vader "I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!?"-- also Darth Vader

[@ashkeachum]

Merry christmas, TWP!

[@blueoni7835]

YAS thank you Rob for talking about Donnie Yen and Ip Man! Ip Man vs 10 blackbelts is legendary (the parodies are hilarious as well)

[@chowderman8888]

just wanted to add that i dont think that was the whole rebel fleet that came to help rogue one. in fact during the debate they had with the rebel council only those fish like aliens were the ones that belived her and wanted to help. it wpuld mkae mpre sense that the fleet we see in the awesome space fight is from those that belived in jin and that each of the other rebel factions is in control of their own fleet.

[@IAYTD]

Great conversation!

[@rorschach221]

For me, this movie had all of the problems that Gareth Edwards's Godzilla did (boring leads, slow acts I and II) but set with fun Star Wars Easter Eggs/appearances and a pretty exhilarating final act. I don't think it touches the original trilogy or The Force Awakens, but it was entertaining enough, and was definitely on a different level than the prequels.

[@dragontears]

I loved Jyn. I connected with her almost instantly. Might be the dad thing. Probably the dad thing. The "doesn't matter if you don't look up" is brilliant because it's the statement of the way the majority of people look at world injustice, and the move from indifference to care is in taking up her dead father's goal. The character building is fast, but it has to be, because you only have this one film. And the extremist rebel/terrorist Jedha/Aleppo-ish connection was also super well done. I really liked it. Leia has to know where Obi Wan is because she sends him R2D2, so her dad probably knows, too to send her. Also, on the "lightning in a bottle" argument, part of it is time period. A New Hope wouldn't survive today. People would tear it a new one. People rip it to pieces anyway. Those slow fights, that random hole, Old Ben/Obi, Denim, why can't they actually brace those walls, the pacing is super slow, C3P0 is crazy annoying, that desert must be really small for them to run into each other again, bodies disappear?, good thing the "force" is there to brush it all away, etc... but because of the time period it was released (pre internet), and because most of us saw it as children we forgive it and love it. :shrugs: maybe I'm wrong.

[@rcluff86]

Most weekly pull and the pull episodes are an exercise in enduring Benny's "excitement" for the informed opinions of the rest of the cast lol.

[@NaturallyUrs]

I'm with Sal and Benny with this one. Saw it in 3D and it definitely didn't click that Tarkin was cgi until after the film. Had totally forgotten that Peter Cushing had died. 😶

[@cisnerd_2093]

I'm glad you got into the diceyness (diciness?) of including CG Tarkin. I thought his inclusion was --just as you said--fantastic. That was super cool. But is that something we want to happen in the future? Do we want a 2026 remake of James Bond starring CGI Sean Connery? It's iffy stuff, but I'm excited to see how the medium develops.

[@romitch18]

15:31 Lol Rob letting it air out lol :)

[@froquedm]

Plus you guys also forget that at the moment yoda left organa was there and obi wan quenobi as well and organa told obi one to go to anakis planet and to look over the kid.

[@comicpop]

+Froque83 Nobody forgot. We try to ignore the prequels.

[@froquedm]

ComicPOP well damn.. I wish it was that easy lol

[@Avarn388]

I really enjoyed Rogue One and in my view, renewed my faith in SWs on the movie side. I enjoyed the creativity of the movie and the characters. Though, I won't lie; I wished some, like Bodi were better fleshed out. I also felt like the pacing for the first half was a bit slow. Rewatching, I felt this less, but really that's due to me knowing where it was going. I think the movie at the very least needed an extra fifteen to twenty mins or maybe cut some of those planets to get everyone together. Also, some scenes, like the tentacle monster were unnecessary. But why I loved this movie over TFA was that it got the team dynamic again. The OT had that. Han the smuggler, marksman and pilot; Leia, the political face/ use a blaster and Luke the magic/ Force user/ pilot. We got that and in my view, the movie's third act really brings this tenfold. TFA, while I don't hate; I always felt like it was more Rey and friends. Where she did a majority of things. And while most of that was explained, it would have been better had TFA done it like Rogue One. But that said, I'll say that while I enjoyed the chemistry of the Rogue One group, TFA's actors had more of it. Overall, this was the prequel we should have gotten years ago. It renewed my faith in the brand. And I cannot wait to see Episode Eight, as one of my favorite directors, Rian Johnson, is helming the project. Score: 85/100

[@thomasscott101]

while it was unnecessary for Organa to say he was going to meet Obi-wan. he was actually in the meeting with Obi-wan and Yoda when they decided to take Luke to Tatooine.

[@Thundergoddess]

Anthony Hopkins in Westworld! That's how you do a CGI person. Have you guys seen that show its really cool. Love the show been watching since the first pull😁

[@romitch18]

1:18:18 Lol "this is stooopidd" :)

[@thedarkspecter9532]

Ah yes... I remember when episode 3 came out. I was such an excited kindergartener...

[@TheTheDontae]

Sal closing line of 2016 for Star Wars bitch I saw you!😂😂😂😂

[@jconny65]

the best yoda impression

[@TyranusRex721]

I know I am going to get a lot of hate for saying this, but I found Rogue One to be an okay movie. It was not good, but it was not bad either. It was kind of average for me and a little disappointing. Felicity Jones's character (Jyn) kind of fell flat for me, though I did like some of the supporting cast. The story itself was okay, but there were issues I had with it in which things just did not make sense. The movie also felt rough in places. And worse of all, it just did not feel like a Star Wars movie. I am sure I am going to get hate for saying this, but I do not care. I have plenty of other controversial opinions about Star Wars so if anyone else would like to hear those and hate me even more, by all means ask away.

[@nickh4676]

TyranusRex721 no one cares

[@cakehead45]

TyranusRex721 i agree

[@MsTitovski]

I liked the movie, but 99% due to universe building and darth vader. The characters were indeed flat, maybe due to their ending

[@zachcouch1987]

Dude the Vader castle was the nerdest thing in that movie. After the third time I watched I really started to like it.

[@JonSilvaRod10]

great episode again guys and for future people who are gonna make carrrie fisher comment 1this was made before or just as all the events took place 2 im sure we can all agree its a tragedy what has happened 3 even though the timing isn't the best it doesnt mean that opinions should change just cause

[@joeytroyer518]

rock on weekly pull. hope to see you at ECCC 2017!

[@commandershepardmessiah3345]

oh man. I hope this is good I usually don't listen to discussion about Star wars from non- hardcore star wars fans like I mean deep lore from not just the films, but the books, comics, game's, shows etc I'm a Die hard star wars fan who also grew up on the prequels matter of fact revenge of the Sith is the reason I'm a fan. I usually go to you guys for comics and super hero movie's and that media but never star wars. hopefully this is a none bias

[@flywheelshyster]

i might be the only one who liked it more than episode 7, I love RLM but disagreed. Though many characters weren't rounded out i wouldn't call the first act boring, it reminded me of a heist film like The Italian Job, you have to get the characters together and to throw them together too quick wouuld've been folly. Plus, Gareth directed Monsters which is one of my favorite sci-fi films and very much a character study that just happens to have aliens in it. CGI Tarkin wasn't as bad as everyone had said, in my opinion

[@omarogd1]

AT-AT! AT-AT! AT-AT! lol

[@kaitoroug3]

When you're listening to the podcast after the passing of Princess Leia....

[@JoeBrando_]

K-2SO and the guy who said "I am with the force, the force is with me" was my characters and of course Darth Vader the CGI wasn't that bad, what else was the company supposed to do for a characters for one is old and for one who is dead.

[@theresamonroe1651]

Do you know how mad people would be if Vader never talks makes no since

[@CosmicNerdStudios]

OH SHIT ITS AURAM! whooo!!!!

[@EdertheJust]

How old is Sal?

[@akba666]

64

[@lllorez]

probably about 35

[@austincole7286]

Sal doesnt have an age, he just exists as a entity to embody nerdom since the dawn of time (really shouldve seen him in Ancient times "the New Testament is just a poor reboot of Judaism"

[@umr_lnt]

Except for young Tony Stark in Civil War that's the best cgi human you've seen yet to be fair

[@RatchildUK]

Eerrrm, of course the key Rebel leaders knew where Obi Wan was. Why on earth do you think the Tantive IV went to Tatooine in the first place.

[@Martin_TheCollector]

Best movie this year!!! Also FAR BETTER than episode seven.

[@BatMat52]

I love your pitch for boba fett!!! That would be awesome because you would never be who is the real boba. It could be Star Wars horror movie. Jaws with boba fett.

[@RealWrestlingWFI]

I like how it was suppose to be 3 guys who liked the movie and 1 who didn't. And ALL OF YOU complain about the movie for like 90 percent of the podcast.

[@SAM-ru4vx]

discussion brings views, movie talk brings thumbs up, fan boy brings argument, hate talk brings new sups......click bate this is hm.....

[@comicpop]

+WeThePeople1st Criticism isn't complaining

[@Kreative_Katz]

No film is perfect...

[@TheMartyrdoom]

dam i liked Leia's cgi way better that tarkins, please dont hurt me

[@rorschach221]

I thought it was worse but not as offensive because it was such a quick scene. You see enough Tarkin to really notice it.

[@sirtoby4939]

The still was worse than Tarkins. But Tarkin decided to move around and stuff. That made it more obvious and uncanny.

[@alphabetparadox]

smileyShiiZniTZ Honestly I didn't realize Leia was CG until after the movie. She looked fuzzy but I attributed it a white back ground with stock footage of her overlayed onto it with Carrie Fisher doing a voice over. And the CGI on Tarkin was all that terrible. I only really noticed because I knew Cushing was dead and he looked a little too wrinkly and clay like. Plus unlike what Dylan thought he wasn't full CG just his face the body was a real actor for the other people to talk to and emote with.

[@johnny2003]

smileyShiiZniTZ agreed. Tarkin freaked me out in the second scene he was in. I just wanted to hear him on communicator.

[@romitch18]

53:40 exactly lol

[@Herosmurf]

I enjoyed the movie. Had some problems with it, not many. I didn't really like the Tarkin thing as it really didn't escape the uncanny valley for me and it looked cartoonish and kind of took me out of the experience. My other main problem was in the choice of pretty much every scene ending up being a close up. It worked for some of the battle scenes to make you really feel the scale of the battle as you saw it from a soldier's POV but I didn't see why almost every scene was pulled in so close to characters that in scenes where I'm supposed to be feeling one thing instead I felt mostly claustrophobic. Also, of the two Vader scenes for some reason I can't quite pin down in the first scene in his lava castle thing he looked a little off. Loved the second scene he was in though at the end of the film. Everything else I pretty much liked

[@Herosmurf]

Oh and the main thing I actually loved about the movie which was it's main good point for me was the reason for why the Death Star had that structural weakness. Because for me that's one of the main things I want from a prequel really. Because we've seen the original movies lots of times and it works fine on its own but now seeing Rogue One makes you think differently about an aspect of the original and adds new depth

[@Herosmurf]

Okay, just got the bit where you talk about Vader and yes I agree. You hit the nail on the head with the too large thing that was the problem and idk his helmet kind of didnt look right. I've noticed that with Rebels and Rogue One that they keep making Vader's eyes red on his helmet but I never remember them being all that red at all in the OT. Also, the bottom of his helmet by his neck looked too disconnected from the rest of his suit

[@Herosmurf]

And just a point on how Leia's foster father knew where Obi Wan was, he was one of the only people to know as he was part of the plan to hide Luke and Leia in Episode 3 so he knows Obi Wan is on Tattooine but the rest of the rebels don't know. At least, that seems to make the most sense

[@yabbadabbindude]

spoilers I was actually disappointed at the lack of Donnie yen being raptured when he died

[@Grievousish]

Personally I thought Rogue One was way better then TFA

[@Martin_TheCollector]

Grievousish Far better indeed.

[@Dylankiwi1]

TFA better 1st Half Well Rogue One 2nd half was much better. If they blend good characters and awesome action then EP8 will be awesome.

[@jabezcreed]

The Tarkin/Lea CGI stuff makes me more just concerned that other movies will exploit this dead/too-old actor de-aging thing. I would have been just as happy if Rogue One had cast another actor. Yes, it's interesting to have a continuity of similar appearing actors for the character, but it wasn't necessary. BUT if putting him in, they really should have not zoomed in on long comments from Tarkin.

[@jabezcreed]

It wasn't a bad movie, so that's not the basis of my comment. But to make a better character out of Jyn, I really wanted to see a little more of her backstory and to see her have some real emotion in the Rebel planning meeting. She's basically a picked up fighter who happens to be the Death Star architect's daughter, who gets brought into the meeting talking about hope and fighting back. If we would have seen more of her searching for or defending her father's honor during the movie, that scene would have had more weight. Instead she is dismissed by their Rebel committee and then inspires some rag tag group in the fighter plane hanger.

[@jabezcreed]

I believe Dylan's comments at 55:00 are the basis for the original cut of the movie. Hence the "I rebel" comment from the trailer. I wanted her to be a more plucky character.

[@zachcouch1987]

21:44 Burn Mr. Alexander

[@ecosmith7852]

Rob's arguments cuts a swath through this movie's flaws

[@the_daddest_dad6582]

I saw it in 3d and the cgi looked great.

[@cisnerd_2093]

"Each subsequent prequel that came out was worse and worse." Really? That's the exact opposite of how I feel.

[@comicpop]

I'm tired of arguing about it.

[@bobcho105]

The trinity and a guest, just like it used to be #OldSchoolTWP

[@SAM-ru4vx]

ITS A TRAP the story of the space sea people needs to happen. 100% cgi crab people movie please.

[@ricardoscozzi6311]

with the whole not having an entire cast of a aliens being too expensive for a star wars film just look at guardians of the galaxy

[@unlistedlizard9598]

You really should have taken 5 minutes and covered the DC Justice League vs Suicide Squad, that is what is going to lead up to the Crisis for DC Rebirth.

[@travispagan3824]

This movie was amazing

[@danzigvssartre]

Every single main character dies...could not give a shit. Darth Vader kicking ass for 2 minutes...awesome!!!

[@onifrancis1566]

They really should've wrote around him and have a hologram. But that would've required actual writing.

[@oatmat]

I thought Sal said he didn't like it on Twitter?

[@comicpop]

No, that's just how people interpreted it.

[@cakehead45]

Its here!

[@tunz6701]

you probably won't see a star wars movie that is mostly aliens and involves the empire because the empire is xenophobic and actively practices discrimination on most alien species

[@gloriacalderon4789]

Thank you.

[@davidserna1424]

Wow Benny got a Red hood tattoo, I'll be damned that whats up.

[@munchiebox1964]

People are really over exaggerating how bad Tarkin was...

[@BatMat52]

I want a shirt that's says shut up rob and shut up Joel and shut up sal

[@arnaldonyc]

It's the worst hearing people not just review but to tell us how to make a movie better. Just enjoy it he movie. Hating the cgi is baloney.

[@yolanda8563]

1. Empire Strikes Back 2. Star Wars 3. Rouge One 4. Return of the Jedi/The Force Awakens 5. Revenge of the Sith 6. Attack of the Clones/The Phantom Menace

[@SAM-ru4vx]

phantom menace should be number 8. no ties.

[@dngn4774]

OLE SammyOLE Phantom Menace is a better movie than Attack of the Clones. It gets a much worse rep because it failed to cash in on around two decades of expectations, but it's not the worst Star Wars movie.

[@SAM-ru4vx]

lol im watching one of the fan edits on youtube that combines prequel 1-3 into a 2 hour movie. I like it.

[@rorschach221]

dngn4774 totally agree. Attack of the Clones was offensively bad, even compared to Episode I.

[@Avarn388]

I'm probably in the minority, but ROTJ is my favorite SWs film. It has a ton of flaws, but the Luke Skywalker stuff, plus that final space battle, were great. I do think Empire is the best made SWs movie. But I prefer ROTJ. ROTS, is actually my third favorite film. I know, sacrilegious, but I loved the themes of the movie and the acting was decent. McGregor and Mcdiamond really shined as Kenobi and Palpatine. But after Rogue One, I'll be re-arranging my list. TFA will be off, I can say that.

[@collincorbean6357]

What?!! Revenge of the sith is the best prequel

[@bhunt372]

Is it pronounced At-At, or ATEE-ATEE? Is it Jah-bah or Jab-ah?

[@comicpop]

+Brian Hunt It's whatever you want.

[@bhunt372]

ComicPOP Just asking because I've never known, lol. I use both pronunciations of each word interchangeably.

[@comicpop]

Brian Hunt So do we!

[@collincorbean6357]

The worst part of this movie was forest Whitaker

[@aslandarklion1]

shut up Rob!!!!!

[@slurwin119]

I think this new guy is not good at all and doesn't mesh with the show like the rest of the group , sorry but I hope he does not come back.

[@Night-rage]

Star Wars IS just a movie, stop pretending it's the word of god...

[@comicpop]

+Michel van der Molen lol Somebody's outraged

[@Night-rage]

nah not really, just trying to look for a less biased review, but everywhere I go people are fanboying all over the place, I'm with Dylan on this one, Rogue One is not such a good film. And I feel like if this was not a Star Wars movie more people would agree with me.

[@comicpop]

+Michel van der Molen I'm sure you'll find them. Enjoy your echo chamber.

[@Night-rage]

I wasn't knocking on this review or anything, or saying you are not allowed to enjoy your favorite franchise. It's just that I've heard more people talk about it and they all start with "Star Wars is so amazing" it gets a bit tiresome. If anything I was trying to escape what you call an "echo chamber" of endless praise. Sorry if I sounded like a dick with my knee jerk reaction.

[@comicpop]

+Michel van der Molen Not at all, just sussing out understanding.

[@ledzepp25]

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