Rogues in Legion 7.1.5 (Patch Notes & Changes)

[@Methodgg]

We hope you enjoyed this video. What class would you like to see reviewed next for 7.1.5 based on the current notes? If you've got a question for Yliajo he's live right now so head over and ask! www.twitch.tv/yliajo

[@aceor93]

Mage pls :P

[@Whateverbro5]

Monk!

[@DoperdaFen]

The new changes to shadow priest would be nice to see, as they're getting a bit of a power change.

[@sawxll12]

Boomkin please

[@benderbg]

Frost DK

[@borginator1493]

The amount of times I went to press Blind and remembered assassin no longer had it was horrifying. Thank God for it's return! A warm welcome!

[@Devlinate]

wow yliajo great moves, keep it up, proud of you!

[@ilkka-aleksiylioja4856]

Thanks buddy!

[@trex8419]

Question: What are your thoughts on Outlaw rogue? Damage wise and "fun" wise? :)

[@LordHakkera]

Would love to have one of the guys running the alt MW Monks in the video talk a bit about the spec and its problems/lack of changes or, in general, why it's not desirable in raid compositions.

[@genericweabootrash4292]

druid changes next would be lovely

[@scrioz]

I'd like to know more about the Mage and Hunter Changes.

[@michiganboy76]

Hey mate, what's your oppinion on outlaw DPS-wise ?

[@VoltanIgnatio]

thanks for the video. I think it's a good service to the community to remind everyone that the sky isn't falling! would be interested to hear from any other classes - how about warlock, DH or DK

[@leevi9383]

A finnish dude in Method? Nice.

[@manwalkful]

Ex-Paragon member and raider :D

[@lacrosseguy108]

thanks for the updates man appretiate it!

[@Nillowo]

I've tried out all 3 rogue specs in the beginning of legion, went subtlety, and Im apparently still sticking with it, glad to hear it isn't getting nerfed too hard overall, and even getting a buff. Now I hopefully won't see 99% (no exaggeration, I mean seriously) of rogues playing mostly assassination and outlaw :')

[@lucieferano1]

addon guide? with buffs cooldown etc?

[@lucasx25]

i am VIP in both Sephuz and Prydaz club lol

[@juanmatiasohara775]

same lol

[@Zemnis]

Great video! Do you guys think you will make a WW monk video?

[@GodlykeGaming]

Anyone else notice hes not using MA relics? Or maybe im behind and didnt read when some other relic became bis

[@ilkka-aleksiylioja4856]

I don't have decent MA relics yet. Nightbane or Helya both haven't been generous to me yet. :(

[@lysk0ss]

brh/vow m8 there i got mine altho i have my second thoughts if they are bis

[@zerodyne5333]

I think we're also getting blind on Assassination spec now. Always did feel a little gimped cc wise when playing assassination.

[@vilestine]

You explain things so clearly that a second grader (who studies english) could understand! Thanks for that!

[@zedski]

Shivarran Symmetry is actually unchanged, the base ability is simply nerfed by 5% so the gloves show 5% less. They still add a 35% aura on top of base Blade Flurry for 3 seconds after activation.

[@thehobbit9438]

Thanks for giving some attention to rogues :) Is outlaw still gonna be viable in m+ after the upcoming nerfs? I mainly play it for the aoe, kinda feels like they're going a little hard at it with nerfs to both the legendary gloves and to the ability itself?

[@phreakisop9810]

If outlaw becomes so bad I will just play assa...but i'm blood elf and blood elf sims highest for single target racials, so at least one advantage for me if I go assa

[@ilkka-aleksiylioja4856]

For mythic+? Sure it is! Blade flurry is still going to be good for AOE, especially combined with Marked for Death resets in m+ environment.

[@thehobbit9438]

Thank you, I asked this here before I got the question out and answered on your stream the other day. Thank you for your informative replies!

[@allucarrd5493]

I liked outlaw but the bones rng made me go assassin. maybe I play it wrong idk but assassin is great esp single target / bosses

[@thehobbit9438]

yeah i fel you Dragos Stoian. The RNG drives me insane sometimes, but I still really prefer it over the other specs. Except for PvP where I play sub

[@dramaqueen4640]

that shoulder ability... ffs... Good vid bro

[@TheAwesomePuncture]

Awesome vid! ty for the updates

[@zanesrg299]

returning to the game and slowly getting back into raiding. what are the best pots, flasks, food, and buffs a rogue can go out and get for a raid night? mostly playing outlaw

[@enkeynox4418]

Try this is awesome :) discord.gg/0h08tydxoNhfDVZf

[@AssassinGTM]

As someone with a 'sin rogue alt hoping to change classes going into nighthold will Assassination still be the go-to spec or would it be wise to start allocating AP and such to another spec?

[@vajachrelashvili73]

thx for guide man gona try assassin and think as well its gona be great but you give me 100% prove of playing it

[@strangedevice2547]

Will that trinket work with combustion for fire mages? That could be really good

[@jormungandthemidgardserpen1845]

awesome video, great job. Thanks alot. Will be the same about other 11 classes?

[@1kyem]

Hello, Is there an addon or weakauras from method that shows rogue rotation? Cheers.

[@Creepjacker]

so assassination is looking to be the strongest rogue spec? And am I correct in thinking the outlaw tier bonuses are terrible and make outlaw the weakest spec?

[@morris7745]

Finnish accent :) nice video.

[@Iceman219]

Morris™ hmm thought it was dutch

[@timtom1292]

whats the addon to display the time left on your poisons ? also idk whether you can but if yu were able to help in game or something with my rotation and such with outlaw and assassination. im only 872 atm and my normal dps is around 300k and on bursts 500-600k :)

[@stronghandhanson]

that sounds normal I hit 375 because of bracers in sin spec and am 872 aswell so your good just keep your EP uptime good let it nearly run out before spending your 4 pts and if your energy pools high just get a 6pt envenom for your next one

[@GaryMcNeill]

So what rogue spec is best ?? Assassination?

[@ToezKillingMchn]

Is subtely a good choice to dps on 7.1.5? I'm really bored about assasination and outlaw :(

[@gaben7431]

i really think outlaw will be performing best overall out of all 3 rogue specs. the setbonus and CD reduction trinket does fix alot of problems for outlaw.

[@Bushid0Hater16]

Hi. Is the 4th point into the 3 point perks also coming in 7.1.5? This would be great news especially for outlaw, since they have two quite usefull perks there.

[@ilkka-aleksiylioja4856]

No, it's not. I think they said that it will come after Nighthold, so maybe in 7.2.

[@torwynd3131]

So will do you guys think it will be 7.2 before they add the ability to equip 3 legendarys? The trinkets are coming in 7.1.5 but I already have 2 equipped.

[@mrg.9477]

please please get back to me asap as possible, because in you video around 2:15 into the video you said outlaw AND ASSASS gets a buff across the board. I was wanting to know where did u hear the info about assass because i haven't seen that at all though if this is true my worries will go away. and if they do get it do u mean its on all abilities or is it just talking about rupture?

[@ilkka-aleksiylioja4856]

There is a good list of all things changing from multiple builds combined here: www.wowhead.com/news=258472/7-1-5-ptr-compilation-of-all-class-changes-from-all-builds#rogue

[@stronghandhanson]

that says rupture is going from 25% AP to 150% AP holy fuck

[@Bradgilliswhammyman]

wow, cool video. Nice to see a guide from a top world player.

[@jedly6632]

Paladin would be nice to see too!

[@ztClown]

Please do something on shamans, all three speccs!

[@quakii88]

great video, thanks

[@lyasu24]

Awesome Vid! I am re-rolling rogue for this patch... was wondering if your UI, specifically the part in the middle of your screen is available? Would really appreciate it :D

[@ilkka-aleksiylioja4856]

The energy bar and combo points are basic elvui, you just need to move them from the player frame to where ever you want. The spell cooldowns are with Tell Me When, you can do the same stuff with Weakauras if you want.

[@maxverkoeijen3089]

Hey man. First of all, nice guide! I would love to have a script for that weakaura setup you have there! Any chance you could upload a weakaura package and link it here?:) Cheers

[@leonwesterlund7109]

Cheers for video Yliajo. One question though, i thought our Attack Power was being added on rupture (from 25% to 150%) according to the patch notes when i read it a few weeks ago, are they not gonna change anything on Rupture since you didnt mention it in the video? :) And what's the addon called that shows your Fan of knifes aura?

[@ilkka-aleksiylioja4856]

They are normalizing rupture's damage. Every single combo for Rupture is going to add the same damage next patch. This doesn't change much, just makes low cp ruptures do more damage. Six combo point ruptures is still what you thrive for, since one cp for Rupture does more damage than one cp for Envenom. Fan of Knives aura meaning the legendary cloak stack count? Just a simple weakaura.

[@stronghandhanson]

most likely Weak auras kind a bitch to learn but once you learn it you can literally do anything

[@leonwesterlund7109]

Ilkka-Aleksi Ylioja Thanks for the answer, guess i missunderstood the notes on rupture. Good luck in Nighthold :)

[@hollowbro5258]

Do you think the specs will play relatively evenly or will there be a somewhat superior choice come Nighthold? And regarding scaling from higher level gear, do you think subtlety will still turn out as strong as some suggested, even after the secondary stat squash? Personally i enjoy playing all 3 specs so im not too worried about which is 'best', just like to hear thoughts from an experienced player. Thanks for the video!

[@ilkka-aleksiylioja4856]

I think the specs are somewhat close to each other. I feel like assassination is going to be a good spec for Nighthold progression for numerous reasons, e.g. set bonuses etc. I don't fault anyone if they want to play subtlety or outlaw though, it kind of depends on your legendary luck anyways.

[@brindenbost]

It'll be interesting to see how the dps output is changed (better or worse) from the legendary changes, but the overall stat boosts to them are noteworthy. All armor-based look to get AGI boosts, and like you showed, the jewelry is getting good secondary spreads. But I notice they don't add versatility, supposedly a prime stat.

[@cpthammer]

Very good video :D thanks for the upload. One thing your voice seems kinda mono toned might help to engage the audience if you worked on it. Keep making videos

[@0ZIR0]

Doing this type of videos for every class?

[@ilkka-aleksiylioja4856]

There might be more. It just depends if there are people from the guild enthusiastic enough to make them. :)

[@jakesdabest127]

All rogue specs slow abilities are being changed from 50% to 30%

[@mrrmellowman9649]

What is that dot timer addon called?

[@MaddaTheApache]

Any chance you can post your Weakauaras strings?

[@ilkka-aleksiylioja4856]

Not everything is done with Weakauras in my UI. For example, all the ability cooldowns are not, they are done with similar addon called Tell Me When (you can do the exact same thing with WAs if you want). Energy and combo points are done with pretty much basic settings ElvUI.

[@TekuWorld]

i have ravenholdt insignia, sub boots and feint pants and i play sub only, is ring + boots still the best two out of this?

[@Despond]

those pants are so awesome for world pvp/questing though, with subs self healing add in the neck, you're a mini tank.

[@Kaaslolz]

where do u see assa gets blind back? I cant find it at any patch notes

[@deathalizer82]

If it is not in patch notes, he probably gathered the info from ptr by playing himself.

[@ilkka-aleksiylioja4856]

It's in the patch notes. There are just many different builds. It is there if you log into PTR to check it.

[@joester4life]

What's your Recommended Legendaries for Outlaw and Assassination? Great video!

[@NightSt4lkerRO]

I got Will of Valeera a few days ago...... It was freaking bad to start with, but now it gets an indirect nerf because of the energy cost nerf on Feint..... FeelsBadMan

[@brindenbost]

I have those also, but at least the stats are overall good and they also might get even more AGI added. But I hear ya!

[@MarcoBeltrami-uk4po]

Hey yliajo can u share your rotation?

[@XeclipseXZ]

You forgot tto mention changes to leather belt legendary. It is getting buffed and now gives extra damage till %85 hp of the target and gives %100 leech. Also Outlaw rogues got buffed to %16 damage increase since the video came out.

[@ilkka-aleksiylioja4856]

They reverted the belt change. The damage is going to stay the same still. Another patch came out after this video was released, which they increased Outlaw's damage increase, but also nerfed the two best artifact traits. Subtlety also got a small decrease to the flat percent damage increase they are giving it.

[@MrTimbo318]

nice info :D

[@andreasrasmussen195]

Nice video buddy. keep up the good work. Liked and Subscribed:)

[@itachiuchia2948]

i think they could buff the legendary feet from the outlaw they feel pretty weak even in mythic + so far

[@MalkieOnPC]

you need to use a pop shield bro, i heal a lot of lip smacking at the start of this video, tho it may just be that your too close to your mic. as a sound engineer, it sounds a little annoying. Other than that, what an amazing video bro !!, So much information, and edited really well

[@guti56]

Doesnt this change make the boots for Assa pretty broken, since they were already one of the best legendaries available for it? And how would you rank the outlaw boots since they arent getting nerfed either apparently

[@ilkka-aleksiylioja4856]

The assassination boots are great when the patch comes, but not because the bracers or ring is bad now. They are just much closer to each other in terms of giving DPS. The outlaw boots are good as well, basically going with the same reasoning as for assassination's legendaries.

[@sorathelight223]

this guy sounds bored lol

[@carlosdv3384]

The belt symbiote is still the same?? I thought it was buffed from 90% to 85% enemy HP, does anyone know?

[@Fose09]

the change was reverted last build

[@carlosdv3384]

Well that sucks so much, everyone uses CDs at the beginning of the fight, usually bosses only remain above 90% HP just seconds. This legend compared to the bracers which deal extra bleed and poison DMG below 30% is a huge shit. Fucking legendary system, really

[@zerodyne5333]

Yeah, it's a pretty shitty legendary for rogues. Monks in my guild say it's the BiS for them though so *shrug. It's nice on a sub rogue during world quests though, since end up killing a ton of mobs in a few seconds, might as well have that opener hit for more.

[@stronghandhanson]

id like it to be lets say 70%-60% it works last I checked it provided leech aswell which would be sick for our survivability

[@Majingodx]

nice video :)

[@xXTheRelaxedXx]

did they revert the 15% energy regen increase to SnD?

[@ilkka-aleksiylioja4856]

No, they did not.

[@НиколайСлодарж]

Which assassin relic`s do you use?

[@jaden2758]

best ones are things that have master assassin on them

[@ilkka-aleksiylioja4856]

Triple Master Assassin relics are great if you got them. I don't so I'm using whatever I got my hands on.

[@jaden2758]

Ilkka-Aleksi Ylioja ya thats just the best, also look out for rupture damage

[@enkeynox4418]

Ranking in regard of traits damage performance. Rupture damage increase. Rupture crit increase. Poison damage increase. Envenom crit increase. Vendetta CD reduction. Fan of Knives damage increase. Sprint CD / Cloak CD reduction. Master Assassin [Vendetta CD relics] are better, IF you have 3 of them at ONCE.

[@thunderdraco]

gotta hold onto those numbers so i can get more numbers brah

[@BitsofSkin]

Nice vid bro.. I've subbed.. What add-on(s) are you using bro?

[@aVeryBadSmile]

ok.. .. ... ... ..

[@BitsofSkin]

And?

[@Michael-sw2pq]

ok.. .. ... ... ..

[@jideko4580]

Aren't they also buffing the leather Belt (Cinidaria the Symbiote)

[@ilkka-aleksiylioja4856]

They were, but then they reverted it back. Same thing happened with the assassination/subtlety cloak.

[@gangaskahn1976]

What are the 2 BIS legendaries for Sub rogues?

[@nelstar4676]

Its situational, but right now in 7.1 its shadow satyr boots and insignia of ravenholdt pretty much

[@gangaskahn1976]

NELSTAR HS I figured boots but what about shadow blade bracera

[@gangaskahn1976]

also, is Shadow nova worth getting over fortune's bite since it dont proc from Shadowdance

[@nelstar4676]

For pure single target encounter, yes bracers and boots are probably your best option, I was just speaking generally.

[@nelstar4676]

It does proc after you leave shadowdance, everytime.

[@jadayaindigo7696]

You forgot the most important Outlaw change to roll the bones Yliajo. Dont know if that was intentional or not

[@ilkka-aleksiylioja4856]

And what is that in your opinion?

[@jadayaindigo7696]

its not a matter of oppinion - check PTR abilities have been taken off the True bairing cd reduction list like COS no more cheesing every single ability with cos

[@ilkka-aleksiylioja4856]

Yes, that is correct. True Bearing doesn't reduce Cloak of Shadows cooldown anymore. You saying that is "the most important Outlaw change" is a matter of opinion though, that's why I asked my previous question. :) I think that is a good change also, since it is quite stupid if players think that they need to reroll their buffs until they get True Bearing so they can sit in the boss abilities and not care about them at all.

[@jadayaindigo7696]

i wont dignify the 2nd part of that comment but - just be more aware of changes outside the assassi pve comfort zone. They dont always put everything in the patch notes you know...

[@ilkka-aleksiylioja4856]

Yes, they don't put all the changes in the patch notes. That one was one of them. In the video we didn't put some other changes (which are in the patch notes) either, for example Shadow Focus being changed a bit as well. You realized pretty quickly that Cloak of Shadows' cooldown was not being reduced while playing in the PTR. :)

[@codyrichmond9483]

im scared :c i really really dont like outlaw and really hoping sub or assassnation is still king for raiding

[@trippin916]

Your tone of voice scared the shit out of me.... I was expecting some pretty disappointing news! 😂 but overall Iam pretty content with the changes.👌🏾

[@JingleJohngle]

Which is the best spec overall for pvp and pve?

[@TheHijackx]

I'd say it's assassination :)

[@jens6344]

Your attitude is great but unfortunately there will always be something which is the "best" spec, whether you like it or not

[@req9687]

Don't listen to these nubs. play Assassination.

[@jens6344]

You can push to 2k with one hand as assa. Handy if you're single

[@Nuno97]

Jens Christensen and human or Belf?

[@heyBurmecia]

MP/Vigor is simming higher than EP/DS on 715-01 for me

[@Giefmindscape]

how do i sim PTR talents?

[@heyBurmecia]

simcraft 715-01

[@Dylstubb]

MP/Vigor is the new meta, and is better by a lot. This video is very inaccurate and honestly sort of embarrassing for Method to have up on their channel, I'm very surprised this made it to upload, let alone still being up on the channel.

[@Jandiss]

cheat death now resets on you dieing

[@ilkka-aleksiylioja4856]

Yes, it does reset when you die!

[@Max-qu7pr]

well when cheat death gets longer cd as other abilitys it should actually prevent u from dieing as other abilitys do aswell. 95% of time i just get instantly bursted down with it

[@CharlesGarwood]

MM hunter!

[@dust8504]

To bad for sub as it seems the nerfs are quite huge although im a sin but it still hurts. As for sin so far so good i was hoping to hear something about rupture cause i know so far they gonna change it a bit and it will be a slight buff. Anyway great vid!

[@reyspec]

the bracer for outlaw just been nerf from 400% to 200% ... i feel scam there. XD

[@teykazor]

great guidel ;) 😎xd

[@arielvinitzer290]

I'd like to see Marksman hunter

[@wtfmilk3]

best opener on 7.1.5 for assa?

[@SolumVirat]

l2p m8

[@jaden2758]

man i was loveing rogue as it is why did they have to change it

[@strangedevice2547]

Why outlaw nerfs? lol

[@alexplugaru1766]

Dude not trying to be rude but your rotation seems clearly wrong.. It's garrote->rupture->mutilate->vendetta->mutilate until 6-> vanish rupture->kingsbane-> 1x mutilate = envenom until kingsbane ends -> then just reapply garrote and rupture, i know that u can reapply 6cp rupture at 8.4 seconds and garrote somewhere around 6

[@LDegie]

Not trying to be rude but his opener is clearly what its supposed to be... its garrote -> muti -> rupture -> vendetta -> mutilate until 6( or kingsbane if u are at 5 cp) -> vanish rupture -> muti once or twice + envenom... if you do it your way 1st rupture might go under 8.4 sec when you are applying vanished empowered one, so you dont use it to max

[@mathiasjensen7898]

For Ago poison it's better to open with mut > envenom > garrote > rupt > mult to 6 > vanish > rupt > Vend + kingsbane etc. (not 100% sure about the order of garrote and rupt but yeah, getting ago running is more important because of the low proc-chance w/o envenom buff up)

[@TravissHere]

Can you pleas make video about rogue PVP too pleas. Specially I'm look for Sub rogue changes Thank you

[@6reps]

I really enjoy your stream but I feel this video is lacking something, rogues will probably already have read their PTR notes, I think instead if you gave a bit more indepth opinion to changes it would be better

[@nikheigl8]

guys pleassssse do that for Warrior

[@chrisjohn2853]

Where do you find this information?????? Like every video does not mention these obvious amazing shit

[@ginkt465]

DH!!!

[@bskdopeboy]

Where's the goddamn Assassination AOE?! It's, literally, the only thing that frustrates me in the game (as a rogue) atm...

[@kemyaali2056]

I dont even have a legendary , JOKES ON YOU GUYS HAHA !

[@venturex38]

Kemya Ali how is that even possible? I got a legendary on a mage alt ive only played at level 110 for 22hrs, alltho ive been spamming 3 chest mythics and doing all emmisaries. Getting a legendary now is pretty easy tbh

[@dramaqueen4640]

so heres comes a noob question for u bro, if i got a lgndry item and dont pay 15k resource for second lgndry item ( from class hall) am i still able to get lgndry items? or i just cant equip them?

[@Thundercles11]

Drama Queen you can still get them, you just can't equip them both at the same time. happened in my warrior alt

[@Corvid_Crew]

Drama Queen you can acquire but not equip more

[@dramaqueen4640]

ty babes, what about its chance? Does the drop chance lower when u get more lgndrys? I got 2x atm

[@remember78-j3g]

make guardian druid vid plz

[@Haithamm88]

Why i should play rouge now ?

[@alexplugaru1766]

Haitham weak in pvp, only decent in PvE, ret paladin or frost dk's are better overall

[@error404usernamenotavailable]

Dude I feel that in your voice. you dont realy belive that rogue is okey after those humongus nerfs ))))

[@jgibson1976]

So still only mediocre dps and they are nerfing outlaw cleave so even less desirable for Mythic +? I'm glad I've been working on my DK to as a replacement MDPS. Sad as my rogue was my original toon in vanilla and once again has to be shelved in an expansion for progression purposes.

[@InvisibleKedar]

So basically Sub will be useless. Now even with the boots - I dont have them anyway, but now even hoping for them to drop is pointless. From 10 energy to 3 energy? Wtf? Like... Wtf? Together with all the other talent nerfs which affect energy regen a lot and dmg quite a bit sub will suck hard...

[@kylemccready5081]

why they needing outlaw legendary's people don't play combat enough as it is

[@gabeolivera]

my bracers getting nerf :(

[@GrungeRockGod]

why are they shitting on outlaw lol