Rolex Vintage Watches Are Overpriced And Overrated!!! My Opinion

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J. ANTHONY

J. ANTHONY

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@mrp9498
@mrp9498 4 жыл бұрын
The old Rolex bracelets feel like Invicta bracelets.
@lonewolf30531
@lonewolf30531 4 жыл бұрын
Mr Perpetual Invicta bracelets feels a lot better than most over priced watches .
@levisaxen614
@levisaxen614 4 жыл бұрын
The ultimate contrarian: opposing or rejecting popular opinion; going against current practice. When it becomes popular you walk away
@salangchoi02
@salangchoi02 4 жыл бұрын
I totally agree! Old Rolex are still durable and charm only when they are priced accordingly.
@gintings
@gintings 4 жыл бұрын
Agree on the bracelet of old watches feel so behind when compared with new ones
@wincrasher2007
@wincrasher2007 4 жыл бұрын
smart collectors remove the bracelet and use a strap - either nato or leather. Changes the whole character and look, as well as preserves and expensive and hard to find bracelet.
@Romio666
@Romio666 4 жыл бұрын
wincrasher2007 👍
@jaime4022
@jaime4022 4 жыл бұрын
They also felt very behind when compared to their then contemporary competitors’ bracelets.
@czikra
@czikra 4 жыл бұрын
Lot a comments about the bracelet, but Rolex made their bracelets back in the day to wear light. The whole purpose was to make you feel comfortable while you wear a nice piece. Nowadays watches are way to big, and heavy. In today’s age everyone is following a crowd, like sheep.
@SuperBeemerGuy
@SuperBeemerGuy 4 жыл бұрын
Buying a used anything is desirable when the cost is significantly below that of a new one, or if the used one is unique or special in some way. Prices are being driven up and the fun is being driven away by flipping on venues like eBay.
@davidofglenbrook4487
@davidofglenbrook4487 4 жыл бұрын
The bracelets were the EXACT reason I never bought a Rolex until the 116610LN, with upgraded bracelet, in 2012. Funny, though: nowadays I consider Rolex new bracelets and clasps to be the best in the business.
@ceejaydeesoozaa
@ceejaydeesoozaa 4 жыл бұрын
hi J and watch fans near and far, im looking for a 14270 exp I. is it better to purchase it later if and when prices calm down or to buy it now, thanks😊
@watchesgiggles5659
@watchesgiggles5659 4 жыл бұрын
I agree 100%. Modern Rolex is built WAY better and feels amazing on the wrist. I still love vintage Rolex, but not at the prices they are at now.
@jasue2000
@jasue2000 4 жыл бұрын
Man you nailed it! The pricing of the vintage Rolex is so based on the inability for the majority of watch guys not being able to get there hands on new (direct from AD) Rolexes; so used dealers and grey market guys are encouraging the market to be driven through the roof. I don’t see a bubble pop on Rolex like everyone has predicted unless the economy takes a total dump....
@K.J.H_
@K.J.H_ 2 жыл бұрын
Well, you weren't wrong
@philippm2750
@philippm2750 4 жыл бұрын
Welcome back! I very much agree with you, the prices paid for certain vintage Rolexes don't match their quality in any way. Congrats for getting the deep-sea, I share the same passion for my black 42mm Explorer II which is another SS model that you can still pick up at or slightly under retail price used. Cheers, Philipp
@highdesertforester
@highdesertforester 4 жыл бұрын
I feel exactly the same way. The watch industry in general has really upped their game especially in the last twenty years or so. That said, I really love my 2001 114270 Explorer, my one and only Rolex.
@juniorjr5328
@juniorjr5328 4 жыл бұрын
Hi, which five digit rolex do you consider still undervalued? Just got a 16600 sea dweller few months back.
@JANTHONYCHANNEL
@JANTHONYCHANNEL 4 жыл бұрын
That is likely the only one I would say is undervalued haha, although to me the 16570 is still better than what they go for at the moment.
@juniorjr5328
@juniorjr5328 4 жыл бұрын
Got it around usd 8.1k. Still far above the usd 5k benchmark that you would consider a value buy. I have the polar too, prices have doubled since I got it :)
@juniorjr5328
@juniorjr5328 4 жыл бұрын
Any other undervalued models to look out for?
@lcm6091
@lcm6091 4 жыл бұрын
I have a difficult time paying more for a “let’s call it what it is” pre- owned watch than what a new ( better made) one cost. As we all know the high price is a function of the new watch supply. I buy pre- owned because of value! When the supply of new Rolex are available I may .... or may not buy one.
@maxpower6356
@maxpower6356 4 жыл бұрын
The 16570 Polar is an amazing watch, especially if you were able to purchase it before the craze. I may be in the minority, but I actually like the 78790A bracelet. It's light and comfortable. That's with me saying that the Jubilee on my BLNR is the best bracelet I have ever worn. Great reviews and a great channel btw.
@paulthorpe766
@paulthorpe766 4 жыл бұрын
Not going to go down well with most of the respondents here, but the big watch craze has peaked... and I predict the post 2007 eg supercased (big lugs/case width) Rolex Sub, GMT, etc etc will be considered gauche in 10 yrs from now which will actually play into values and vintage sales.
@s3ow
@s3ow 4 жыл бұрын
fully agree, but the issue is that most people can't get modern rolexes from AD.
@mariosiaven2965
@mariosiaven2965 4 жыл бұрын
Anthony I too own a 16570 but my question is an Explorer 16570 that different from like the one you sold that different from a GMT of the same era (let's say the 90s)?
@Maarten_official_account
@Maarten_official_account 4 жыл бұрын
You’re totally right on the old bracelets, they stretch and rattle and feel cheap after years of use. That’s why a few years ago I started wearing my 22 year old 16610 Submariner on a vintage looking leather strap in winter and a Nato strap in summer 😉
@wincrasher2007
@wincrasher2007 4 жыл бұрын
definitely the way to go. plus, the watch has a better feel without that cheap bracelet. It actually returns to a premium feeling more appropriate to the price of the piece.
@h111551
@h111551 4 жыл бұрын
I am not enamored of metal bracelets. I had a now sold Yacht-Master I that I wore on a Rubber B strap and I have a 1978 Oyster Perpetual Date two tone with a champagne dial and an engine turned bezel that I prefer to wear on leather than on the original jubilee bracelet. I like vintage Rolex watches but I don’t like either vintage or new bracelets from Rolex nor from any other brand. For some reason, bracelets are as much a part of the Rolex experience for most people as the watches themselves. For me, I enjoy the watches and not the bracelets so a cheap feel to the bracelet or better modern bracelets and clasps are not a big deal to me.
@ralphplazachesmarhomes
@ralphplazachesmarhomes 4 жыл бұрын
Brotha J. Anthony thanks for putting together another great video. I currently have a Explorer II 16570 white dial that is in very good shape and I think a bit unique because has the word SWISS only on the dial. But at times i feel is a bit small on my 7.50 wrist. I be thinking in selling it to obtain the 42mm version white polar. Dilema!!!!! Any advice will be appreciated. Take care Brotha! By the way what you driving lately??
@rbf100
@rbf100 4 жыл бұрын
Prices of all Rolexes have sky rocketed. Seems that people will pay almost anything just for the name. The Rolex Datejust is timeless. They were relatively expensive in the 1960's yet not vastly more expensive than other brands. Yet they still hold their value and as Rolex continues to increase its prices on their new watches it pulls up the prices of the vintage watches.
@UnNamedTrucker
@UnNamedTrucker 4 жыл бұрын
I just bought a 1978 Air-King 5500. Nobody told me to buy it, I didn’t watch any videos about it and the sole factor in my buying it was that it is a beautiful watch and I could afford it. Value is in the eye of the purchaser. I bought mine without a bracelet and I share your opinion of old Rolex bracelets.
@davidcoleman2463
@davidcoleman2463 4 жыл бұрын
Live and learn. You are so lucky to own Rolex watches . I am only up to Hamilton and Seiko sarbo35 . I am saving for a Tudor BB58 . What do you think ? Thanks.
@mariosiaven2965
@mariosiaven2965 4 жыл бұрын
I understand your point although for some reason I still love my vintage Datejust 2 tone 16013 I bought 4 years ago, is true that the build quality does not compare with current examples, but the classy feeling that watch still "oozes" is somewhat mesmerizing to me, now I also own like you an EXP 2 16570 albeit black dial that I bought last year (2007 model) which despite still having the stamped clasp, you notice ( I think this is why you still love yours) the build quality is up a notch compared to 80s and 90s pieces so in a way it represents a transition period or so to speak a bridge that ties the older models and their blemishes with the glories of the newer ones (especially 2010 and newer), just my opinion.
@alter3go411
@alter3go411 4 жыл бұрын
I know exactly what you mean! I almost bought a 16710 Pepsi for my first Rolex, and the first thing that stood out to me that it did not feel like a solid watch. Actually, it felt like it was about to break just by looking at it. The watch dealer then handed me a 116710BLNR and you can just instantly feel that it is built like a tank. The milled out clasp basically pulled me over the line.
@SM-wi1js
@SM-wi1js 4 жыл бұрын
Always felt that way. Agree 100% Except the car mention. Lots of new vehicles with great innovations and quality.
@JANTHONYCHANNEL
@JANTHONYCHANNEL 4 жыл бұрын
I’m a manual transmission, hydraulic steering and no traction control guy but I get it.
@SM-wi1js
@SM-wi1js 4 жыл бұрын
@@JANTHONYCHANNEL me too. Purchased a new SLK in 2006 and turned down the higher HP engine because it didn't offer the 6 speed manual. But how can we dispute todays Lexus. With you on your reply. Regards
@richardweir3342
@richardweir3342 4 жыл бұрын
Finally someone with some sence, I had this debate only a couple of days ago
@panaristiman1243
@panaristiman1243 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Everyone !!!! Agreed 100% !!! vintage Rolex Watch are plain Watches, I wasn’t to attracted for Rolex Watches until they lunch the 50 anniversary Submariner Kermit, then the Polar Explorer II 42MM beautiful Watch, then finally the first 44mm Rolex the DeepSea personally owned this 3 models my Deep Sea is a James Cameron love the dial !!! i thing Rolex really step out when the introduce the New Submariners with the Ceramic Bezels also the New Stainless Steel 904L unbelievable quality that improved the appearance in the quality on the Watch, also the Oyster Steel bracelets are more modern, more polished areas making this bracelets more vivid and for sure better looking I can’t imagine my Kermit Sub with a Ceramic Bezel, the New Oyster Steel Bracelet 904L Steel for sure will be a total different watch Maybe this is one of the reason why Rolex Watches are now so hot because the new models are so different compared with the traditional Vintage Rolex Perhaps this the reason why Rolex watches are so hot that if you want buy a Rolex Watch is a waiting list to get one Am Bruce Maldonado From Palm Beach Florida
@ivankerr3570
@ivankerr3570 4 жыл бұрын
I agree. Personally I just don’t get vintage. I like everything to look new. It like buying an old car and raving on about the patina. Wake up folks it rust and sun damage. Yes some can look ok however I would want them at a very low price compared to the crazy prices being asked for.
@timur9429
@timur9429 4 жыл бұрын
I totally get your point but I rather buy a vintage Rolex because its smaller and lighter.. The older watches fit me like a glove while the newer ones have a huge clasp and a blown up super case. Its like the SKX bracelet it looks like crap but on the wrist its just the best.. :)
@hrabanus
@hrabanus 4 жыл бұрын
Well, the 16710 wasn't built a 10 000 Dollar watch back then, that's why it doesn't feel like one. No one would argue that older watches have better quality than new ones. The design differs (at least sometimes), and nowadays you're paying for availability, that's it.
@adrianhargreaves2854
@adrianhargreaves2854 4 жыл бұрын
You hit the nail on the head with the pricing of the 5 digits, easily 50/55% more than they’re worth.
@JANTHONYCHANNEL
@JANTHONYCHANNEL 4 жыл бұрын
Yes!
@michaeledwardlenzi
@michaeledwardlenzi 4 жыл бұрын
I do agree with your basic assesment of the bracelets but the Oyster links have a very smooth, almost soft feel to them on wrist. That is the one upside I see on the vintage Rolexes. And yes I have owned a number of them so I am not just trying to defend/justify my purchases. Haha. Anyway, I sold them all and have a modern Datejust 36mm. It too has the smooth, comfortable links and fit but is so much more solid. I love it. I am really glad you are making vids again. I thought maybe you went away like the venerable Jonny Casual! --Michael PS: I sold the 993 and the R if you recall. Out of that game!
@JANTHONYCHANNEL
@JANTHONYCHANNEL 4 жыл бұрын
No...you sold the 993....I loved that car! If you makes you feel better i sold my old corvette as well. I’m driving a 6spd Tacoma Off-Road now haha. You?
@michaeledwardlenzi
@michaeledwardlenzi 4 жыл бұрын
J. ANTHONY I am driving a 2015 STi. Back in the Subaru STi fold. My third. I have had one of each gen. A good car for Midwest.
@danohpsp
@danohpsp 2 жыл бұрын
In my mind your totally correct. I like an old Datejust 36 I have, but after taking the bracelet off yesterday and seeing the end links I was like...wow why do people pay up to $6500 for these old things. I've seen amazing low cost watches from microbrands and even main stream brands that are less money (like Tudor) that just smokes every aspect of the old watches. The same people that dump on microbrands and brands like B&R, calling them "shitters", are wearing these Rolex 16220's lol If I am being completely honest, these Chinese "homage" units from companies like San Martin and "junk" like that are built even better. In reality you don't have to be a huge craftsman to make a precision part nowadays with CNC technology. Same feeling with famous steel sports watches from the 70's that look great but just a high end implementation of the same old movements. They say "buy horology" but some of the performance of these units is the same as a modern mechanical movement or even less and does it matter the history of the company if the watch is just meh....?
@billymania11
@billymania11 4 жыл бұрын
I agree with your assessment of the vintage Rolex market. It's not a very attractive niche and the value is not there. On the new Rolex market, the quality is top notch but the prices are too high and product availability is constrained. In my circle, nobody talks of Rolex but of other more contemporary brands.
@mountainhobo
@mountainhobo 4 жыл бұрын
Great video, but the looping music in the background feels like a bad acid trip.
@JANTHONYCHANNEL
@JANTHONYCHANNEL 4 жыл бұрын
Haha, thanks I can turn the music down
@SpilkersKompass
@SpilkersKompass 4 жыл бұрын
The difference with cars is that the new generation isn’t driving the old recipe to perfection as we see it with watches. Hence, many of us like the new Rolex more than the old ones, while we’re sticking to the old cars with their distinctive personality. Totally agree with you...while loving my natural aspirated inline 6 BMW engine with manual transmission ...
@adlanhaziq
@adlanhaziq 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed on the poor bracelets, the only vintage Rolex I’m looking to get is an 1803 on a black alligator. Crazy to see people looking for the next Paul Newman when there’s so many good watches out there.
@larryhand6537
@larryhand6537 4 жыл бұрын
Agree basically because the prices of vintage have become unrealistic. I have owned a bunch of them and have cashed in pretty well. For the most part due to the shortage of modern SS Rolex, I’m hanging back from buying them for now. Nobody likes paying over-hyped prices. The Deep Sea is way to big and chunky for an everyday watch IMHO.
@AbdulRWatches
@AbdulRWatches 4 жыл бұрын
I wear my vintage Rolex on a nato or on a rubber B, and I do actually like the aluminum bezel. But I totally agree on the bracelet, the only one I love to wear is the jubilee bracelet even it feels inferior to new ones. I also like the smaller case size, and slimmer profile.
@polarroller
@polarroller 4 жыл бұрын
Hi J, totally agree. I think there is a lot of hype in vintage and a big shill to push preceived value in old watches......driven by liquidity and resale price ( out with the old, in with the new). Modern movements with technological innovation, modern clasps and bracelets.....just better quality, robustness, and accuracy in modern Rolex. One guy may want to buy a nice new modern Rolex, so really push the vintage value so you can flip your old burnt out Rolex for a much better quality new one. It's interesting sales and marketing psychology really. Your fan and Lexus( SC 430 convertible and LX 570 SUV) driver in Alaska.
@ot5245
@ot5245 4 жыл бұрын
My father had over 100 vintage Rolexes starting from 1940's and gave the collection to my brother. I am not least jealous at all . My brother wears a casio and I wear a batman. We both never find vintage Rolexes to be very appealing.
@SunsetSheen
@SunsetSheen 4 жыл бұрын
Not enough people in this community call it how it is with regard to vintage Rolexes. They’re so caught up in the romance of the brand that they’re blind to how mediocre those watches truly are.
@Rabauke2.0
@Rabauke2.0 4 жыл бұрын
SunsetSheen Wouldn’t say mediocre. Specially not regarding the movement. Totally agree on the clasps though.
@PeterZandorff
@PeterZandorff 4 жыл бұрын
Completely agree on your points with crappy worn(out) vintage Rolex watches. The quality is´nt there at all and the prices has been hugely inflated by "investors" but foremost by VINTAGE ROLEX DEALERS! Rusty dials are called exotic and demands a premium (dealers says), many vintage Rolexes are considered rare (by dealers) even though they were produced by the hundred of thousands, other vintage Rolex watches are described (by the dealers) as coming with "important" and expensive provenance despite the fact that 99,99999999 % of the watches these greedy dealers provide for sale were just owned by anonymous old geezers... And the Paul Newman Daytona watch? A very small and feminine watch (37 mm) which NOBODY wanted in the 60´s and the 70´s and the chronograph watch from Rolex which competed with the Omega Speedmaster for the journey to the moon 50 years ago, a competition the Daytona lost, like it also did when trying to become the OFFICIAL watch during the races on the Daytona race track in the good old days. A real LOOSER watch!
@bloodymarvelous4790
@bloodymarvelous4790 5 ай бұрын
Nobody complained about those Rolex bracelets until the 6 digit bracelets came out. Those bracelets have held up for 50 years without any issue. They're rattly, but not crap. They are solidly made bracelets that will last a lifetime. It's fine if you prefer newer bracelets, that's only logical. Newer products should perform better than older products, but that doesn't mean older products are shit. The older Rolex watches are lighter, smaller, more elegant, and more comfortable. You don't experience the rattle when it's properly sized and on your wrist, only when you hold it in your hand. I much prefer the look of the 5-digit Rolex watches over the 6-digit. It's a good thing we don't all like the same thing. There's just no reason to shit on things other people like.
@salukibeancounter9589
@salukibeancounter9589 4 жыл бұрын
Well said. I just sold my 16710 Coke and replaced it with a 126710BLNR from an AD. I have a 6.25 inch wrist and the Batman/girl? with the Jubilee bracelet fits perfectly. The new bracelet is way better. That said, I'm keeping my 16610 Sub because the super case and Oyster bracelet are just too big for my girly wrist.
@chi-towncalifornia5916
@chi-towncalifornia5916 4 жыл бұрын
Nice analysis, J. Personally, I feel that because both the vintage and modern ceramic Rolex markets are so overinflated, people end up to buying these pre-ceramic “Neo-Vintage” models, as they’re the only reasonably priced affordable option. I MUCH prefer the case designs of Neo-Vintage 5-digit Submariners over the Supercase Submariners, but the 5 digit clasps and bracelets aren’t as good as the ceramics, so it’s a matter of picking your poison. My friend wears a circa 2000 16600 Sea Dweller, and he has no complaints about the bracelet and clasp, so it’s not an issue for him. If only Rolex would sell Super Oyster and Jubilee bracelets with liftlock clasps to for 5-digit model owners.... Keep the videos coming!
@JANTHONYCHANNEL
@JANTHONYCHANNEL 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the feedback and support 🙏
@ernestkrajnc6412
@ernestkrajnc6412 4 жыл бұрын
You are so right. But you (me) can't get new sports steel model, so if you want Rolex have to go vintage... Well, not me, no way!
@watching5811
@watching5811 4 жыл бұрын
You are so right 🙂👍👍👍
@tomkhong9828
@tomkhong9828 4 жыл бұрын
Everybody believes there will be another fairy tale like a Paul Newman Daytona
@Romio666
@Romio666 4 жыл бұрын
Tom Khong 🤣exactly
@ot5245
@ot5245 4 жыл бұрын
Dream on!
@Romio666
@Romio666 4 жыл бұрын
O T but... I am expecting, in the very long term, just in case James Cameron’s watch is auctioned 😉
@tomkhong9828
@tomkhong9828 4 жыл бұрын
Rami Abdelkhalek Jacque Cousteau will be before James Cameron if it ever happens . Cheers
@Romio666
@Romio666 4 жыл бұрын
Tom Khong I didn’t understand you
@newnorth1100
@newnorth1100 4 жыл бұрын
Your right about the old bracelet but 20 years ago they were considered tough. Compare the new bracelet to the old it’s like night and day in quality but I love my16600 sea dweller but don’t like the maxi case on the newer Rolex but love the bracelet.
@Brizzy-ul3gy
@Brizzy-ul3gy 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed regarding the vintage Rolex bracelet hollow end links and the clasp is horrendous 👍
@navegandolejanooriente6268
@navegandolejanooriente6268 4 жыл бұрын
I just wish the modern submariner didn’t have the larger wider lug case, the original size with modern upgrade in the watch’s built would of been awesome
@Romio666
@Romio666 4 жыл бұрын
Usually collectors are the main buyers of vintage. They collect them, they do not war them. It’s like the hobby of collecting stamps and antiques the older and rarer, the better. It’s not at all about quality and look. IMO, I a totally agree with you, but I fall in love 😍 only with vintage pieces with heavy Patina.
@Pavlis83
@Pavlis83 4 жыл бұрын
Totally agree with you. Maybe if the prices of old rolexes were half of what they are.. but paying 7-8k for a 5 digit sd wile you can get a new omega seemaster pro 300m for half the money is simply stupid
@torbensvensson2093
@torbensvensson2093 4 жыл бұрын
I do understand your great feeling with your vintage Polar Explorer2 16570!! I own the modern polar 216570!! There’s something about these timeless timepieces! Especially the Polar one!! It doesn’t have a Bezel which is lose, sits fantastic on wrist!! I do like the modern Rolex:s, They are reliable and you don’t have to worry about damage this watch!! I only look at new Rolex:s or 2-3 years old, that’s it!! Since last Baselworld, when Rolex released the Two-tone SeaDweller, that watch has been on my mind constantly, I’m loving very much!! I hope to buy it one day!!👌🏻🤩
@ianmaw66
@ianmaw66 4 жыл бұрын
I had a Sea Dweller 4000 and the stamped clasp was an embarrassment. It was a huge step up when I eventually got a Daytona (Rolex movement).
@robertfeast7691
@robertfeast7691 4 жыл бұрын
I agree with most of what you say. The older Rolex bracelets are truly horrible. I would go further and say that for the money there are nicer watches than a modern Rolex. A used PP can be had for the price of a DJ.
@anamisidro8453
@anamisidro8453 4 жыл бұрын
Completely agree. That’s why I’ve changed my vision about what I should collect. I want that my Rolexes to be everyday watches, dressing or sporty. Enjoy your watches as you enjoy your life. Intensively. Great video. Always a pleasure. Cheers 🥂
@JANTHONYCHANNEL
@JANTHONYCHANNEL 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ana, always a pleasure hearing from you! Exactly, you need to enjoy your watches and your life, it’s too short not to.
@David_10157
@David_10157 4 жыл бұрын
Just bought an Explorer II 16570 a few days back. I really like the watch, but feeling a bit guilty paying what I did seeing how the bracelet feels cheap.
@jackpurcell274
@jackpurcell274 4 жыл бұрын
Ok , mostly agree, the clasps on these bracelets " look cheap " , however, I've had my Datejust since 1983, I just had the bracelet tightened, the clasp has worked flawlessly for the entire time, so regardless of " looks" they work. It's been my daily watch for 33 years. My agreement comes in with today's pricing. The vintage watches come in with prices in excess of the new models. This is simply crazy. I get exclusivity, but there are millions of "vintage" out there, bunches of them cobbled together from pieces. I have noticed though, at one shop I go to , a Coke with a veined dial has been sitting there for a year, as has a Hulk and a Daytona. Im not sure Rolex is selling so well here .So maybe we're getting smarter.
@davelee9791
@davelee9791 4 жыл бұрын
Good to see you back and enjoy your content..But watches are just no different to old Cars/Motorcycles....we love them despite their faults and outdated performance handling braking etc etc etc ...but I get what you say Rolex Bracelets are Junk compared to what is available now... The New Glasshutte SeaQ has a better bracelet than any Rolex available it is stunning quality.
@pos350zx
@pos350zx 4 жыл бұрын
I found an old 60's Turn O Graph in a fairly decent condition. The watch itself was beautiful (even though I could not get the bezel to turn) but accurate to that time the bracelet was fold over links and not solid. What it comes down to is price, and while what they were asking for was about on par with the secondary market, it still seemed too high (at least to me) for what it was, plus the up keep.
@dudesneeds
@dudesneeds 4 жыл бұрын
I have the same explorer 2. I came back to it after I dumped my older ones too. They do feel like garbage. However the exp 2 feels different like u said. The old Daytona is def not worth the money.
@chillwill120
@chillwill120 4 жыл бұрын
I have a 16710 that I bought for $7k a few years ago (and even $7k was a ton of money for that watch). I could probably sell it for $9k to $10k. It is a very nice watch but as you say, it doesn't feel special and the bracelet feels cheap - it certainly doesn't feel like $10k on the wrist. In contrast I have a vintage datejust 16220 - a beautiful vintage watch. It also has a cheap bracelet but it's $3k, not $10, so I still think it's a good value.
@vdbdg
@vdbdg 4 жыл бұрын
Someone had to say it and we all feel better for it now. Phew, thanks! I still have my 16570 but if a 126711CHNR or Pepsi/Batman came my way, it’d be hard to justify keeping it.
@964tractorboy
@964tractorboy 4 жыл бұрын
A very enjoyable vlog, for me. Vintage Rolex prices have always baffled me. I agree with older cars having vastly more appeal too.
@wincrasher2007
@wincrasher2007 4 жыл бұрын
well, if new watches have ridiculous prices because of limited supplies, then why do you think that vintage watches, which are MUCH rarer in good condition should not carry higher values commensurate with their supply? the super high dollar watches, such as the Paul Newman, have such colossal value because they have something that transcends the collectible horology - that connection to the famous or historical events makes each one a very special case that almost makes them priceless.
@MetalsForBrunch
@MetalsForBrunch 4 жыл бұрын
The marketing of rolex paid off. I still think Tudor 58 is the better watch over the rolex.
@JANTHONYCHANNEL
@JANTHONYCHANNEL 4 жыл бұрын
Yep 👍
@davidcoleman2463
@davidcoleman2463 4 жыл бұрын
I am saving for a tudor black Bay 58 .
@jeremycorrao
@jeremycorrao 4 жыл бұрын
I don't understand why the Pepsi is going for $23K. Makes no sense to me.
@jeremycorrao
@jeremycorrao 4 жыл бұрын
@austin rosin 1675 and 16750
@Romio666
@Romio666 4 жыл бұрын
Jeremy Corrao that for around USD 11K only
@WhatIsItReallyAbout
@WhatIsItReallyAbout 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, so brave, putting this out AFTER you've sold your vintage Rolex..... You're right, though.
@titojose1559
@titojose1559 4 жыл бұрын
This make sense. Here in the Philippines the price of vintage 5 digits and the new 6 digits are almost the same.
@Jimfrenchde
@Jimfrenchde 4 жыл бұрын
I think that there is a bubble in the watch market. I think that is the main reason that some buyers will buy a product for a lot of money that doesn't have great value.
@jims4539
@jims4539 4 жыл бұрын
Had a chance to look at a Datejust from the 90's - light weight, cheap bracelet and reminded me of just another watch not worth the $3-4K market value.
@roofchees9
@roofchees9 4 жыл бұрын
I get it you buy a gently used watch for a cheaper price, but this paying a premium for a vintage watch that is arguably worse than its identical looking modern equivalent is insane. And the vast price differences in the same model because one has more lines of text or a number that is shaped differently is also puzzling.
@Mikekhoh
@Mikekhoh 4 жыл бұрын
Totally agreed. I definitely avoiding it.
@WrongTimeWatch
@WrongTimeWatch 4 жыл бұрын
So, what used Rolex offers a good value?
@scotty2748
@scotty2748 4 жыл бұрын
I agree. Unless that piece of vintage Rolex piece has special meaning to you, like the birth year watch, vintage Rolex watches are overrated. Even for the modern Rolex watches, I don't see the point of owing multiples of them. I mean, I have a Explorer II and I love it, especially that is the wedding gift from my wife. However, I would not want to own another Rolex since they are pretty much all the same.
@juliantakeshiquayle6193
@juliantakeshiquayle6193 4 жыл бұрын
Can't really say much at all since I've had zero experience with modern or vintage rolex watches. But I will definitely say the polar explorer is something I see myself wearing in the future. No idea what model but after this video, I guess mordern seems to be a better choice as I'd probably like it more by the sounds of it. Thanks for the tips and opinions!! Great vid!
@JANTHONYCHANNEL
@JANTHONYCHANNEL 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Julian
@odawgbrazy14
@odawgbrazy14 Жыл бұрын
16570 is streets ahead of the modern ones
@odawgbrazy14
@odawgbrazy14 Жыл бұрын
It you can’t get a modern Rolex for sub 10 k
@polarroller
@polarroller 4 жыл бұрын
I forgot to add........nothing wrong with vintage.....patina is an awesome thing and I greatly appreciate those who really value vintage.....it's all cool. :)
@GiGi-wg9lq
@GiGi-wg9lq 4 жыл бұрын
All Rolex are overrated. You have one, you have them all.
@dariusbrainiac
@dariusbrainiac 4 жыл бұрын
do i need one though? i never followed the herd. i doubted i need even one untill i stumbled on a no date subby, set it to my metal G (that never loose a sec) to discover the following day it didnt loose a sec. that was impresive as the finish of the product itself. got me thinking that all collectors/enthusiasts roads lead to the crown eventually. should i join the club?
@Rabauke2.0
@Rabauke2.0 4 жыл бұрын
@D B IMHO go for it. You wouldn’t regret it. Personally I would go for a modern one, because of the better quality ( bracelet, movement, etc). And you are right, at some point if you are seriously into the whole watches thing (history, mechanics, craftsmanship, etc.) you can’t ignore Rolex. You may like Rolex or not, but you have to acknowledge they are one of the best watches of the world.
@dariusbrainiac
@dariusbrainiac 4 жыл бұрын
@@Rabauke2.0 I'm eyeballing modern 36 op that no one seems to talk about. I might pull the trigger. Thanks for your insight.
@izzythomas848
@izzythomas848 4 жыл бұрын
@@dariusbrainiac I disagree. I think the availability crisis with the sports Rolex models has overshadowed everything else. But the OP has a strong following, as it's such a good-looking and versatile watch. And, you can actually get one. I bought the OP 39 in white a few weeks back. Amazing. Perfect as a daily-wear watch and works with any attire.
@dariusbrainiac
@dariusbrainiac 4 жыл бұрын
@@izzythomas848 congratulations! That was my first choice actually before I kind of shifted to 36 and now I'm even contemplating 34. Not sure if it wouldn't be to small thought. Need to visit AD again ;)
@jefferyneu3915
@jefferyneu3915 4 жыл бұрын
Finally someone says what I have long believed! Why does Rolex even bother having a MSRP?
@robbiecleighmarks3088
@robbiecleighmarks3088 4 жыл бұрын
Probably just to set a market price for them to use to measure inflation and demand. But yeah totally agree, useless to the consumer.
@bradorchard5828
@bradorchard5828 4 жыл бұрын
I SOOO wanted to buy a pre-ceramic Submariner last year. Until I went to a dealer and they let me try on both the pre-ceramic Sub and a new Tudor Black Bay. Now, I KNOW... The Tudor is NOT a Rolex. yada yada yada. But if you don't have that preconceived notion I believe you will absolutely come away thinking that the Tudor is a MUCH better watch. The bracelet is far superior to the older Rolex bracelets. The clasp is much better than the older fold-over Rolex clasps. But I ALSO know that the heart wants what the heart wants. And if your absolute grail is an old, jangly Submariner then no matter how much better the Tudor is, you will still feel unfulfilled if you buy the Tudor.
@jasue2000
@jasue2000 4 жыл бұрын
One other thing... When you put a vintage Rolex onto a NATO or a Leather strap and it make’s it feel, look and wear better... that’s not a good thing
@chiliprepper7678
@chiliprepper7678 4 жыл бұрын
I am vintage. Buy traded up to my DS44 after 2 other Subs. 5 digit. And 114060 super case. I am so happy with my DS44. Best Invicta Rolex ever made. Lol. 😀🍺👍🍺😁
@Ervinyj
@Ervinyj 4 жыл бұрын
I guess there will never be enough supply for Rolex watches, modern or vintage. All of us want a piece of them but it will never be enough. We will always appreciate things that we dont have and neglect the things that we have beside us.. It will be an endless task in chasing the untouchable for majority of us (me included).
@MyVideosWillCalmU
@MyVideosWillCalmU 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed im with you on that Anthony
@Tonysoprano497
@Tonysoprano497 4 жыл бұрын
Two views , charm , history , soul . Vintage are of their time , It’s like comparing a vintage jag to a modern jag . If you prefer good build quality then of course modern is the way go. No right no wrong it’s what floats your boat.
@michaelgalanos981
@michaelgalanos981 4 жыл бұрын
I agree with you I just tried on a vintage explorer 2 and it didn't feel substantial I tried on a 2007 sub and it is not the same as the new ones not substantially like the new subs having tried both and the price of vintage way over priced.
@joaquin9marquez
@joaquin9marquez 4 жыл бұрын
You are absolutelyyyyy right the old rolex only on aftermarket straps bracelets are garbage
@MTbone7
@MTbone7 4 жыл бұрын
This is silly. Vintage just isn't for everyone. You must also think that an 80's camero or corvette is inferior to a new model. They are but they are MUCH cooler. It's kinda douchie only liking a brand new watch. Hey go quartz then bud, it seems more like you!
@cedarcanoe
@cedarcanoe 4 жыл бұрын
M Tbone it’s not about vintage. It’s about the huge priced Rolex watches which were produced to be used as tool watches.
@peoplez129
@peoplez129 4 жыл бұрын
Rolex vintage watches might still operate, but they have TERRIBLE quality. I see lume unevenly applied and uneven dimensions to features left and right. Of course that's understandable because of their age, but the truth is even a $50 modern watch generally have more precision in their construction than these vintage Rolex's.
@Homebous76
@Homebous76 4 жыл бұрын
I used to love the newer bracelets but I now do get why the old ones have such charm
@DavidDatura
@DavidDatura 4 жыл бұрын
I couldn’t agree more with the title of this video! 👋
@Relicsun
@Relicsun 4 жыл бұрын
I agree especially those GMT 🤗
@scotthawke7828
@scotthawke7828 4 жыл бұрын
Funny! A friend of mine who owned a vintage coke gmt said exactly the same thing about it feeling cheap.
@davids9549
@davids9549 4 жыл бұрын
Over-inflated? Overpriced? Over-valued? Obviously not - any commodity (Rolex watch included) is worth what someone will pay for it. That's the true test of value, like it or not. What you have done is conflated the concept of monetary value with your personal preferences and quality assessments. Of course modern Rolexes are technologically superior to their predecessors, no argument about that - but are they worth their sticker price? I don't think so, but the market clearly does, so that's all there is to be said. I can accept your point about these Rolexes being over-rated. Perhaps they are. But overpriced? Clearly not, because people are queuing up to pay those prices!
@ItaiFaierman
@ItaiFaierman 4 жыл бұрын
Though my GMT-Master 16700 Pepsi is my favorite watch, I absolutely agree with all your points 👍 the modern Rolex pieces are excellent bang for buck ✌️👊
@NICKVST
@NICKVST 4 жыл бұрын
I agree definitely modern Rolex is the way to go.
@_-MiamiVice-_
@_-MiamiVice-_ 4 жыл бұрын
I think anyone who reckons that vintage rolexes feel cheap for what they cost, they are all right. Those pieces were tool watches made for a purpose, not luxury items, and as such a 10k+ vintage gmt will never feel like premium. I recently had a 116613LB on me for 3 days, with the option to keep, or give back, and get the money back. In the end, my money was coming back, as even it is a nice watch, what it offers for the money is way way behind. Yes you pay a hefty chunk for the name, but i want value for my money, so no thank you
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