Rolling back net zero & Europe's new migrant crisis - The Week in 60 Minutes | SpectatorTV

[@yendid7587]

"do not assume that they want to perpetuate the culture of Europe", Douglas is once again spot on

[@carolineabraham1520]

Yes. And a significant point

[@carolineabraham1520]

And vital concern

[@junehope5152]

The man is a soth sayer

[@junehope5152]

Tory’s. Are not conservatives it’s a joke

[@DirkusTurkess]

Perfect time to end the conversation. Just as things were getting good.

[@privatespam]

Douglas Murray...concise, accurate, articulate, and fearless with the truth....Surprised they havnt shut him down.

[@chester6514]

He was just on The Boyscast today and basically said ‘let them try’.

[@notalefty999]

To those mystified by why migration from Hong Kong isn't causing much of a stir: - They are following a lawful process. There are around 1 million people who settle here each year - which is completely insane - but generates very little backlash. - They actually have a legitimate reason to wish to flee Hong Kong that isn't purely personal enrichment. - Most importantly, they aren't worsening society. They contribute. They obey the law. In all these discussions, we are required to pretend people are completely interchangeable and if you dare pay attention to the race of who is coming or leaving, you are morally reprehensible. This is obviously nonsense. The third world is full of violence and poverty because of the people who live there made it so. Importing millions of such people is obviously going to degrade our own society. Do I want the UK to become a colony of Chinese who don't wish to live under tyranny? No. I bare them no ill will, but I want to live in a nation which is my homeland and where my people determine the cultural and political landscape. I don't want to be an alien in my own land. However, if I was to be a minority in my own country, I would rather by a minority amongst East Asians than South Asians, Arabs or Africans. These groups are qualitatively different in very important ways. Japan is not the same as Somalia and its not some intrinsic property of the land masses in question. Its because of the people who built those nations.

[@fjallaxd7355]

Very well said. I couldn't agree more.

[@Jdb6734]

I agree, hopefully your countries will rise up and start mass deportations in the near futurr. There is no future for multi racial societies, only conflict.

[@JAMES-zm6vn]

Well said

[@jacksonmiked]

Shout out for Cindy Yu. She’s the best host on Spectator TV. It takes skill to judge when to let interviewees speak while asking engaging and perceptive questions. Well done on another great episode.

[@patrickholland5478]

Good call. She's excellent.

[@JohnSmith-mx9wk]

You are totally rght, but it's a very low bar! i like her lot but the rest are a complete shower

[@carlodefalco7930]

Okay Friend keep it in your pants…. There’s many interview is just as good as her and yes many who are absolutely atrocious 😳🤔🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@johnricercato740]

I agree. She just needs to stop punctuating her remarks with ‘you know’.

[@AntPDC]

Agreed - she's smart, pleasant, attentive and a sharp interviewer. Very good columnist too.

[@bobmyself8819]

Gee 120000 educated , English speaking people from Hong Kong. Educated people who grew up with and understanding Western culture religion and laws, vs unskilled military aged men who come with no skills no patron ,job or prospects . No command of the language, understanding of the culture just an expectation of charity and care with no cost to them .

[@BigBlue1895]

Lovely how the HK are,m they have still massively distorted both the purchasing and the rental home market in South Manchester and are competing for the very few Trafford grammar school places. The locals are revolting.

[@Qpolitely]

And i would consider them more refugees than migrants personally. Though I would have hoped for serious discernment by UK government re. the last batch. Infiltration is an issue in other countries.

[@royjacobs1204]

​@@BigBlue1895Hong Kong Chinese said the same when expats congregated in Sai Kung, the rents sky rocketed.

[@doctorshawzy6477]

correct

[@BigBlue1895]

@@royjacobs1204 indeed. Why wouldn't they but why does that make either of these instances right and fair to the locals?

[@jdg9999]

Is there going to be a third chamber in the British Parliament for the indigenous people of these islands?

[@allancrotch2953]

no just the one

[@cassiopeia21]

Imagine that. We will need one very soon. The desires, values and rights of the indigenous British people are getting crushed into nothing more and more by the day.

[@DailyCorvid]

Third chamber? Bruv they live in mountains their isn't a chamber :D

[@DailyCorvid]

Been saying it forever : *_Where there is no will in the politician to stop immigrants, nothing will ever change._* It's the same with Brexit, we need to vote people in who WANT that.

[@Alessio6694]

Why stop immigrants? People should be free to cross borders if they so choose to

[@JonM-ts7os]

Same was what happened in the UK with Pakistanis, politicians too scared to stop it how midlands and north English towns being dominated with them.

[@libertasdemocratiam887]

Then run for elections. Stopexpecting others to do it for you.

[@DailyCorvid]

I am _not a candidate_ , I said a GOOD candidate not just some random fucking KZbinr loolol@@libertasdemocratiam887 Stop expecting others to do it LOL you mug WE ARE A DEMOCRACY thats how they generally work. We ALL work for the society rather than just for ourselves. But they do not give us good candidate selections. They try to motivate Marxism in this country and I will absolute fight it to the last.

[@DailyCorvid]

@@JonM-ts7os if we're not too careful we shall end up with Suella Braverman as PM with Kier hanging about in the wings. Ugh hell!

[@jamesbody4399]

what a brilliant video, 3 excellent professionals. Very impressive Cindy Yu, Douglas Murray and Christopher Caldwell

[@VaucluseVanguard]

I left New York after a five year stint there earlier this year. One irritating aspect of living there was if you wanted a pretty standard short back and sides, barbers wanted to give all men over 40 a bloody big bouffant on the front of your head. You had to be pretty firm in telling them you didn’t want this. I note Douglas Murray is now living in New York..,,,, and has become bouffant man! Douglas, stand up to your barber!!

[@Tom_Quixote]

Seems like the other guy insisted a bit too much on getting his hair cut short.

[@lechenaultia5863]

😂😂😂

[@pisces89]

Aussie here 👋🏻 The Voice has been very divisive here in Australia, it’s a completely floored, racist idea pushed by bureaucrats and most people will be voting No.

[@RedbadvanRijn-ft3vv]

Europe wil go far right,if the left wil not stop those African beggers.

[@chester6514]

I certainly will be voting No.

[@heatheraspinall1493]

When I go on holiday anywhere.... I have to go through passport control, show proper paperwork, or I don't get to go on holiday. Why campaigners think it is A.O.K. to allow people to come in by boat is beyond me.

[@dolphin069]

Nice to be nice simpletons.

[@JohnnyAmerique]

Because it’s part of a thoroughly evil agenda to destroy western civilisation. DEI, “woke,” “intersectionality,” “sustainable development,” et al. are all different species of the same genus, which is Maoism with Western characteristics.

[@FRUGALZZZ1]

Douglas Murray - one of the most insightful and articulate commentators in the media. We appreciate you, Sir!

[@kellieheald]

Is it just me, or are things really starting to fall apart?

[@monsieurgrigny]

That was such a good interview with Douglas Murray and Christopher Caldwell. Stimulating, terrifying by turns. We are clearly in a crisis. Any fool can see what has to be done. But we are the suckers while politicians factor in the implications for their retirement. Von der Leyen's visit last weekend to Lampedusa and subsequent pronouncements... Do they take us for fools? ( Yes, as Douglas would say).

[@VaucluseVanguard]

The Chinese arriving from Hong Kong, in addition to their language and educational skills, will integrate because they will not insist on changing laws on everything from animal welfare to women's rights like those from sub-Saharan Africa but in particular those from the Muslim world. The Chinese will overall be law abiding and will not have a cultural propensity to put their hand out for government assistance when they meet some form of financial hardship.

[@brendancorrigan]

The locals are generally worse when it comes to looking for handouts. They know all about their *rights*, little about their responsibilities.

[@VaucluseVanguard]

@brendancorrigan Well, I admit I have to agree with you there, and in a way the reasons for this are the same among the UK's 'indigenous' population and those from much of Africa. They have both grown up in supplicant cultures where they have become used to the government or some local or international NGO being the font of all prosperity rather than taking responsibility for their own welfare. And I will admit, that while one can be empathetic with some immigrant groups from the poorest countries with the most dysfunctional of governments developing this attitude, among the British population itself, it is shameful.

[@KJ-js7pi]

@@nennius8012 feck off, you speak for yourself and yourself only.

[@brendancorrigan]

@@VaucluseVanguard And then some complain about government control. Sure they've practically handed over control of their lives to the powers that be, kzbin.info/www/bejne/r2O6Y5yVnrGXgtksi=jfT7mdJ4a1VCo_5E

[@ionebarczak9383]

We were educated, in relation to drugs, to JUST SAY NO. The people of Europe should use that one more often.

[@doctorshawzy6477]

Douglas is the most intelligent commentator on the web today..

[@Alessio6694]

lol - he is a charlatan and an intellectual pygmy

[@rwkh10]

When the hell are people going to realise this is happening all around the world. It's totally a world new order.

[@georgewarner5496]

It is a new world chaos. There is still order in Poland and certain other countries where illegal invaders are effectively shut out.

[@libertasdemocratiam887]

You don't know what the new world order is, this isn't it. China is the biggest problem and one they take centre stage, then we'll get the new world order, that will make you wish the WEF had had their way.

[@RedbadvanRijn-ft3vv]

Send all back with force.

[@crowesarethebest]

The illegals have no right to show up on foreign shores and demand to be taken care of. This is utterly immoral. Western citizens owe nothing to these people; absolutely nothing. What a disgrace.

[@dogred431]

It's amazing as I'm predominantly left wing, but on the major issues it is people like Murray who speak the most sense, and can back it with logic and facts. That said, left and right used to agree on immigration when it came to the strain of the British workforce. Trickle down economics doesn't work well, but it won't work at all if you keep digging out the bottom.

[@BigBlue1895]

Quite right. I'm an ex SWP member and I'm amazed how the SWP's open borders philosophy has now entered mainstream the social Democrat / Liberal / Labour parties

[@kevinetheridge7201]

I still consider myself on the left, I suppose you’d say a traditional working class labour voter, and I’ve got a lot of respect and always love reading and listening to Douglas Murray.

[@jasminealixandranorth]

And I am the worlds most woke, left, aging hippie on the planet. I would vote right in a heartbeat if it would stop this insanity happening at the doors of Europe. I already avoid the big cities and towns as they already feel 3rd worldy. Maybe time to exit stage left, if things get any worse (which they will). This situation is unbearable.

[@James-sk4db]

"trickle down economics" isn't a real policy or belief its just a label created by the left. The closest thing to it is austrian or chicago economic schools stating if people are taxed less they spend more in the economy, either directly through spending or indirectly by saving in banks that use the funds to invest in the economy. But that is just cause and effect its not a belief or a policy.

[@allancrotch2953]

sorry are you 67+ if not I am and am I to assume you will vote Labour to rectify this situation?@@jasminealixandranorth

[@carlodefalco7930]

For 12,000 to land in the same week shows a great deal of organisation and planning behind at all.. that’s a bit many people involved along the whole journey for this to happen in many different parts of Africa in the world are involved in making this happen… Needs to be found out who and what organisations are involved in this mass movement of people flood in Europe

[@angelsackson]

Jews.

[@HuHWhat-yi8cp]

@carll. NGOs

[@oliveoil7642]

SOROS!

[@AnnDale-ie3jn]

The only way out of this problem is for Britain and other European countries is to withdraw from the UN convention on refugees people will say yes but there will still be the push factor pushing these people towards Europe but that is just a augment to do nothing we can't be held hostage by condition's in the third world which we are. by being tied to a outdated treaty from a another age

[@janeycollins3618]

We had the same problem here in Australia with boat arrivals - an unbroken stream culminating in some tragic sinkings. The issue dominated the news. Our legislation on asylum seekers arriving by boat was controversial at the time, but it has, seemingly, worked - at least in terms of details (perhaps there is a news blackout)

[@jon-xd7tl]

Which law is it that prevents the navy or Border Force from blocking migrant boats in the Channel? Is it the UN convention on refugees? Is it the European Convention on Human Rights? Is it international maritime law? Whichever law it is, the scope of its application in the UK needs to be modified such that the navy or Border Force can prevent the boats from entering British waters, if needs be rescuing the migrants back to France. A country that does not defend its borders is on the verge of collapse. A little bit of force is necessary - whether it is applied by Border Force or by the navy.

[@janeycollins3618]

We had a turnback policy in Australia (to Indonesia). They'd turnback if boat was safe, otherwise put them onto new boats with provisions.Seemed to be allowable under the UN Convention (with Oz legislation also allowing it)

[@doreenmusson4891]

How many of the almost 2 billion people in Africa can the EU accommodate? The UN should help African states to govern and manage and develop their countries?

[@anteep4900]

The EU & UK might as well resume leadership over the African continent. If so many Africans want to travel to Europe, might as well build camps within Africa itself to house them.

[@Ari-ld9hi]

Wow what an interviewer. She is so smart with great questions. Mainstream media in the USA does not have this

[@BillieJolene1]

Can someone explain to me why these people went to prison for protecting their county

[@dolphin069]

Supra national Regime wants low IQ worker zombies flooding into the European homeland. Don’t dare question that.

[@hollywooda111]

Cindy Yu is wonderful she knows when to get out the way & just when to interject and reignite the flame. Well done.

[@lizperez9963]

The anchor conveniently wrapped up as soon as we hit the main issue: Is Western culture worth saving? I say Western culture is the best thing human civilization has ever created.

[@sisiphas]

The ‘Australian health ‘gap’ is primarily between urban Australian aboriginal people and remote Aboriginal people, which is often missed. It is comparable to the health gap in Scotland between Dumbarton and Edinburgh, and sadly for some of the same reasons. My Aboriginal friends oppose the voice for all kinds of reasons that are complex. Mainly they fear the intimidation by ‘Aboriginal’ grifters, who will only make things worse. The most impressive ‘voice’ in the Voice ‘debate’ is a senator who is aboriginal, and on the ‘right’ of politics here. She is subjected to the worst kind of racism by urban ‘aboriginal’ far-left grifters who are (and look) much less aboriginal than she does (which is unsayable!) because she does not want a divided country. Claiming non-existant ‘first nations heritage’ is increasingly common in Australia

[@libertasdemocratiam887]

You cannot compare the outback and tribal living with Dumbaryon and Edinburgh. Nowhere near the same at all, both D and E have the NHS in both areas and everything in between, yes there maybe some postcode lottery at play but you REALLY cannot compare that with Australia at all. I'm sorry but that's a rather dumb comment.

[@sisiphas]

@@libertasdemocratiam887 sorry you are sorry, but its not dumb. Read what I wrote. I said ‘some of the same reasons’ i have lived and worked in both places. ‘Tribal living’ is a misnomer. Few Aboriginal people ‘in the outback’ live tribally in a historical sense. They live in very small towns ( or a few larger remote towns). Extended families and the obligations these confer are complex - not sure ‘tribal’ is the best descriptor…

[@sisiphas]

Access to health (NHS) is NOT the same in (well-doctored) Edinburgh and parts of Dumbarton, ditto school attendance, substance abuse and dysfunctional family structures. (It is much worse than a ‘post code lottery’ and the difference in death rates has not been - much- impacted by the attempts of the Scottish government to improve it. Some of the ‘same reasons’ are inter-generational poverty, impacts of alcohol abuse, the much heralded but unproven impact of the loss of ‘male occupation’ on death rates, and impact of ‘loyalty’ on victims of abuse (this last may no longer be a serious issue in D.) Geographical remoteness is obvs not the same in both places.

[@PAVANZYL]

If the UK sank the first small boat to come across the Channel, it would have been the last one. If would also cost fewer lives.

[@Alessio6694]

That would be murder, what if it was your friends and family on there?

[@PAVANZYL]

@@Alessio6694 You are exactly why this problem will continue until your friends and family will have to flee Europe - which may be sooner than you know. Keep bleeding, heart, keep bleeding!

[@johnmoorefilm]

@@Alessio6694Bravo👊

[@Alessio6694]

@@PAVANZYL you are an extremist, and historically it is these extremist ideas that have caused more pain and suffering to society. I would really suggest you sit down with someone who has travelled “illegally” and listen. You will be embarrassed for your thinking.

[@andykerr4180]

Well crime is up look at Sweden and you'll see how in a generation many parts of their cities are plagued by extreme violence, rapes and murders. It's laudable to be compassionate but you must also look at the bigger picture and consequences of allowing this to continue at scale. You should know that many of these different ethnic groups bring their own religious, tribal and ethnic strife with them. We had Hindus and Muslim youths fighting on the streets in some of our northern cities. Israel had Eritrean illegal migrants fighting, some supporting the Eritrean regime and others in opposition. The fact was violence, many police injured and much property damage. You cannot throw out virtue but ignore that murder and rapes have occurred as a result of failure to secure borders, control who can come and in what circumstances.

[@Jackjohnjay]

I’m really enjoying spectator tv and it’s understated style. Roll it out on x, too. I can’t believe I’m saying that but I’m actually preferring it to KZbin these days…

[@stewheart]

there is this idea of free will - having been to Australia , its clear that the two cultures dont mix well at all. Most aboriginals are on the fringes, get blind drunk if have some dollars and just cant plug into the rest of society - it's still their choice to behave like that. giving them more authority wont produce some kind of utopia, they are just worlds apart, different values to the extreme. equal rights yes, special rights - nah mate.

[@jackdeniston59]

I get the whole thing Mr Murray says about poiticians being in court for the rest of their lives. Absoulutely explains it all. So, How do we 'destroy' those lawyers? Or t least identify them publicly......

[@stuross8190]

Helen Dale gave a fine breakdown on the current issue in Australia.

[@mechminded2207]

I am disgusted that "The Voice" is not a referendum on whether Australia shall adopt John Farnham's 'You're the Voice' as the national anthem.

[@williamvorkosigan5151]

The people that Cindy meets are of her social group. They have degrees. 70% of Hong Kong citizens do not have degrees. After 100 years of Hong Kong citizens not having any right to come and live in the UK. Now that we haven't been in charge of that island for 25 years. Boris, who never met a potential immigrant that he didn't like, decided that they could. He didn't make any requirement that they speak English to come. Only 63% of Hong Kong citizens speak English. A number of them will be CCP spies and most of them will be susceptible to pressure from the CCP to aid the CCP. Again, numbers. The UK passed it's carrying capacity before the first World War.

[@williamvorkosigan5151]

Afghans. Iraqis. Ukrainians. Rwandan's, (Hutu, Tutsi). People from Pakistan (I refuse to use that stupid made up word), Indians. Ukrainians. Mainland China, Hong Kongers. Sunni, Shia. Majority Muslim sects and persecuted minority Muslim sects. Muslims, Jews. Turks, Greeks. Diversity is not a strength. It is a fissure in our nation that can and will be utilised to harm us by our nations enemies. We have been extremely foolish in so carelessly inviting in waring factions and hoping that they will live in our country in peace.

[@prolibertate5959]

The fact that Helen Dale can't pronounce Jacinta's full name is disgraceful.

[@cathybootle8494]

Agree! Appalling and hard to believe.

[@sisiphas]

@@cathybootle8494 Its less common for commentators on the right in Australie than for those on the left to mispronounce her name.. :)

[@araucaria5173]

@@cathybootle8494 The Australian politician advocating for the NO vote name is Jacinta Nampijinpa Price.

[@oliverc1961]

I don't mind her not being able to pronounce Jacinta Price's full name. Lots of Harry Potter fans mispronounce JK Rowling's name and it doesn't indicate lack of respect. The silliest bit of the interview with Helen Dale was when Dale insisted Australia was a particularly tough environment for hunter gatherers to live in. Compared to living in Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Siberia, Scotland, the mid-west of America, Canada? I don't think so. As for her comments about the ever-present danger of eastern greys, taipans, tiger snakes and death adders, I'd be very surprised if more than 5 per cent of the Australian population have seen a venomous snake in the wild in the past year.

[@oliverc1961]

Writing from Brisbane, Australia: it's a gross exaggeration to say the discussion about the Voice referendum has torn the country apart. I'm almost certainly going to vote "no". The overwhelming majority of my friends and acquaintances - real and on social media - will vote "yes".The overwhelming majority of my bookshop customers will vote "yes". Australian multiculturalism works so well partly because people pick their battles and I certainly don't feel a need to convert everyone to my way of seeing things. The main reasons I will almost certainly vote "no" are: 1) I don't support the idea of ranking citizens' importance according to whose ancestors arrived in the country first. I was born in Whitehaven in 1961 and my English ancestry can be traced back to the 11th century. But that doesn't make me more English, with more rights, than Rishi Sunak whose parents moved to England in the 1960s. 2) I don't think Aboriginality is a relevant qualification for discussing diabetes, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, heart disease, cancer and other health problems that afflict Aboriginal communities. Similarly the mere fact that I am white doesn't make me an expert in diabetes, etc, in the white community. Some good things have come out of this referendum debate. One of the most memorable exchanges was between Jacinta Price, an Aboriginal lawyer, now senator, who opposes it and Tony McAvoy, an Aboriginal lawyer who supports it. McAvoy and Marcia Langton, another architect of the Voice, say the representatives who make up the Voice shouldn't be elected in the usual way - one person, one vote. Rather, they should be picked from among recognised community elders. Jacinta Parsons's immediate response, as someone who's worked very hard and effectively to reduce the scourge of domestic violence in Aboriginal communities, was to say many so-called "respected elders" achieved their positions of power precisely by beating the living daylights out of anyone who challenged them. We saw this with the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission,. Before it was disbanded, with bipartisan agreement, it was run by a man called Geoff Clark who misappropriated funds and had a history of individual rapes and of leading pack rapes. Leaders of pack rapes may turn out to be less reliable contributors to discussions about Aborigines in prisons than Anglo Australian and Asian-Australian judges and police officers. Finally, arguing against Helen Dale, I wouldn't ACTUALLY say the system is broken. Yes, there is a significant gap between the average health and wellbeing of Aborigines and the average health and well-being of other communities in Australia. But the gap IS closing. Aboriginal life expectancy and Aboriginal literacy levels have improved massively since the outside world arrived here. No, the Australian environment ISN'T so dangerous: the climate is very mild (pity those poor Inuit) and I know hundreds of Australians who have NEVER seen a snake in the wild.

[@marieparker3822]

Nigeria has had one trillion dollars in aid since becoming independent. Why do more than 95 per cent of its population still live on less than $2 per day? Zimbabwe used to be the bread basket of Africa.

[@mechminded2207]

The folk from Hong Kong have an agreeable culture with that of Britain, family oriented, hard working, law abiding. And of course, following a legal processes to get here - so they start the relationship with the nation on the correct footing.

[@TimotheeLee]

Opening all borders sure inches the concept forward of a one world government.

[@oliveoil7642]

Yes, eliminating sovereignty!

[@fckem1000]

If the policies regarding the aborigines are broken, fix the policies instead of breaking the country.

[@VaucluseVanguard]

Just some context for the claim that Australia is the most ethnically diverse country on earth. And I make this point with no disrespect to the cultures and languages of the indigenous people of Australia. This claim of the greatest diversity is based on there being some 250 individual aboriginal nations, many of which were in alliance with one another, and within each nation there exists separate, often related clans, from as few as 5 or 6 to as many as 30 or 40. Each nation has its own language, and a few have several. If one were to just look at the diversity of the non-indigenous population of Australia - 97% of the population - the claim to be the most diverse country in the world falls apart. Australia is way behind the US and the UK. I suspect that if the Russian federation was to measure diversity in the way Australia does, drawing on the various clans, tribes and nations of its various ethnic groups it may well actually be the most the diverse country.

[@drwinklepecker9298]

More context from another Australian - What you say is BS. Australia might not seem like the most ethnically diverse country on Earth from Vaucluse, but I dare you to spend a day walking the streets of Parramatta, Bankstown, Fairfield, Auburn, Canterbury or Lakemba. You might also benefit from making the effort to check the official statistics regarding cultural diversity before typing your opinions, which may be dear to you, but detached from reality - www.abs.gov.au/articles/cultural-diversity-australia

[@Qpolitely]

Really appreciate Helen Dale!

[@AM2K2]

cheers - decent show

[@aspirationalcapitalmanagement]

Douglas' Depth of Knowledge is Awesome!

[@peterforsythe3643]

Australia, The Voice: the people who have been most responsible for the failed policies of the last 50 years -- indigenous Australians like Megan Davis, Pat Anderson, Marcia Langton and Noel Pearson -- are the very same people who would sit in an unelected group of 24, if the Voice gets up, and who will have a determining say over Australian parliamentary policy. As people come to understand that the same people responsible for failed policies are the same as we’ll end up with in the Voice, the No Vote is gaining. There are 11 Indigenous Australians in the current parliament. That means they already have a voice and in greater proportion in parliament than they do in the general population: 7% in the parliament vs 3% in the general population. The Voice is racist. There’s that too. The leader of the No vote that Helen was struggling with is Jacinta Nampijimpa Price. She’s wonderful. Also Warren Mundine. 34:39

[@wagner5424]

I’m an American, but I’ve been following what’s happening with the Voice and couldn’t agree more.

[@triggerhappy3034]

Excellent discussion on illegal immigration. Concise and to the point.

[@johnmoorefilm]

“I can’t even say her name?”….Uh, try? Hell-un?

[@-DC-]

Could listen to Cindy Yu all day

[@jemgeach4066]

Not only is the legal route difficult: it is very expensive.

[@uniblonder5606]

Remember when being a traitor had consequences? I wish to see those sane times again.

[@rokko_fable]

Cindy Yu is my type of gal.

[@steveellis7748]

Cindy Yu was brilliant in the discussion on immigration, as she is herself my idea of cultural assimilation

[@williamvorkosigan5151]

We are full. We can not take in any more, deserving or not. We are a very expensive country to live in. We can do more good, help more people for the same money, if we help fund Refugee Camps in other countries. Refugees belong in Refugee Camps until they can go home, otherwise Refugee is just another word for Immigrant. Rwanda is safe now is it? How come Rwandan Refugee Cnuti Gatwa has not gone home then?

[@fbinformant]

Each episode is watching the end of europe in slow motion

[@jamespegg6418]

7 bins finish in the same landfill or incinerator.

[@MattyRouter]

Douglas Murray is no longer one of my listen tos after what he said about Russell Brand on Piers Morgan podcast 🤮🤮

[@berniemccann8935]

Cindy -- Great programme. 💕

[@Phil-RS]

And meanwhile still, hoards of barbarians continue to arrive, well inside the gates now. The souls of old England perish to the core of the lands in which they died. We're all just, fleeting in a grand historic game being controlled from the shadows. Nothing left now but cute sound bites and gentle reasoning for what is, the end of the world. Good luck to thee.

[@josephcolacova7516]

What is the Australian lady talking about ? Australia is 90% white European. How is that diverse?

[@oliverc1961]

I don't know if you bother to check your facts before posting. Australia is about 72 to 76 per cent white Australian from a range of backgrounds - English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Greek, Italian, Spanish, Croatian etc. The skin colour of that 72 to 76 per cent may be roughly the same, but there's quite a lot of cultural diversity within that group. And then there are south Asians, East Asians, southeast Asians, Pacific Islanders, Africans and other assorted migrants.

[@williamvorkosigan5151]

With Douglas, Hong Kongers all spoke English, 70% had degrees and effectively already had a British/English culture. Then when talking to Hong Kongers, they need to learn English. They need government hand outs (when 70% of them have degrees?). It is almost as though the narrative can switch in a heart beat depending on whom you are talking to. Those concerned about migration. No, no. They are going to be a massive asset. Integration? Super easy, barely an inconvenience. When it comes to meeting their needs, suddenly they do need a great deal of support, not least of which learning English. Friction brought to the UK of mainland China and Hong Kong immigrants. Refugees (immigrants) bring their problems with them.

[@Coriol369]

The EU needs a border force like Australia and to put up ads discouraging people from these migrant countries from even trying. Make sure they know that isn’t how you immigrate. My theory is; if you know how to make a perilous journey to get to the west; you can figure out how to take the perilous journey to bring the western values you want in your home land.

[@spm36]

The EU, the west in Libya caused this chaos in the first place..I doubt they'll want to do anything to stop it now

[@doctorshawzy6477]

great wisdom here today

[@sisiphas]

It is indeed a fallacy to assume that improving the economies in countries people are leaving from with stem the flow of those leaving. We are crazy to ignore speed, numbers and identity, yet we do

[@lozzaheath815]

DM brutal as ever... Love it....

[@joj666]

i love the voice of this lady :)

[@dogred431]

We have 6 "bins" in South Glos. We have a food bin, black bin for non recyclable, green bin for garden waste which you have to pay extra on top of council tax, box for glass, box for card and a box for tin and plastic. Technically you have a 7th bin as a kitchen caddy for food waste.

[@paul-andregravelle]

I feel your pain!

[@joannafunnell]

We also have 5 large wheelie bins and a food slops bin as well as a kitchen caddy in Cheshire West and Chester. Luckily we have room for them all, but lots of terrace houses don’t so the pavements are covered in bins, terrace houses are able to opt out of the garden waste bins ,which are charged for on top of the council tax ,which is only fair as many don’t have gardens just yards.

[@Lillyboo65640]

When there are so many immigrants leaving their countries & if these immigrants are so unhappy about their countries & what is happening there, why are they not staying and defending their own country, defending their own rights & defending their own way of life? If they all keep running away, nothing will get better.

[@pamdowns1302]

There was a huge Migrant problem (complete with filthy garbage tip in middle of island) in Lampedusa when we visited so that my ex could write an article for the Independent in 2002. Nothing new here..

[@DaRedHood003]

Christopher is correct to a point. When it comes to Latino integration in the US it is very hard for a majority. They do not speak the English language(Some refuse to learn). They have very low education, game the system, and crime is one the rise(Etc). This is coming from statics and first hand experience living in South Florida. The American idea is based off of European ideas. This is not a rant against people of different nationality's. Americans are asking the government to protect the citizens and legal residents of the United States.

[@enjoyslearningandtravel7957]

It also cost more when people don’t want to learn the language. Many things, such as the voting rules and other written signage has to be written in Spanish now which cost more and schools have to have Spanish teaching in some grades to catch children up to English. Of course it’s good to catch them up to English, but there’s also mini immersion courses in Spanish and not as much trying to teach them English is there used to be

[@jonathansimmons5353]

The *AUSTRIAN PAINTER* would have fixed it in *one day!* *No faffing about..*

[@realitychick4502]

Please can we have some attention on ‘remittances’ and why elites of foreign countries would actively encourage their citizens to leave to facilitate these revenue streams. Victor Davis Hanson has good stats on this in Mexico and Central America. Salvini also did the economics on the migrant crisis and showed that spending money in Africa was far better than money spent in Italy on so called integration.

[@sym8246-f5c]

NGOs, courts, banks. Wonder if they all have something in common that would unify them behind mass illegal immigrantion.

[@sandersson2813]

Why is Helen Dale never on with Mike Graham anymore?

[@kirstensh187]

That's what I was just thinking today

[@NorfolkSceptic]

We have SIX bins already, five recycling. And we are encouraged to collect soft plastic and dispose it at a collection point.

[@allancrotch2953]

I live in Norfolk and I burn it on my log burner stinks a bit but gives off heat like banned house coal used to.

[@markl5990]

Cindy Yu is an impressive person and wonderful host, however in these interviews she reflects the enduring British assumptions of Australia (the post convict/colonial British "white" trope). Helen Dale illuminated the composition of modern Australia and the complexity it's migrant society brings to this referendum - a context most Brits have zero interest or appreciation. It is an interesting contrast with the story of 120k Hong Kong migrants having a "Windrush Generation" effect on UK society, given there are 750K Chinese born residents of Australia today (equivalent percentage in the UK would be over 2 million people). It is fair to say this type of migration has had a "windrush" effect in Australia.

[@kcc879]

My dad is entitled to a heritage visa, i missed out being the fifth generation in Aus. The work visa for me and my son costed us 500 pounds EACH at the time, it was incredibly long drawn out process before getting to England THEN the long drawn out process once there. It was incredibly expensive and a very long process.

[@williamvorkosigan5151]

Hong Kongers in Britain is an organisation? So they aren't going to just integrate. They are going to lobby as a group for things in their group's interest & by definition against the interest of the nation as a whole. What a surprise. What's that, Cindy? They are teaching them to speak English? I thought that they all spoke English. Oh, they are trying to teach English Speakers Cantonese. What use is that if you live in the UK? They are going to form China Towns in the UK were you can function in Cantonese & never learn English. I met a man with cut glass English who told me how great the UK was, and the reason was that he could live his life in Birmingham entirely in Urdu.

[@Zidana123]

"They are going to form China Towns in the UK were you can function in Cantonese & never learn English. I met a man with cut glass English who told me how great the UK was, and the reason was that he could live his life in Birmingham entirely in Urdu." This. This is the heart of the problem. People are adaptable, and adaptability is the basis for integration. But if put into a situation where they don't _need_ to adapt, then they just won't do it. There's no reason to. Instead, they'll just keep on doing what is familiar, and comfortable. Which means living their life as closely as they can match it to their life in the old country.

[@williamvorkosigan5151]

@@nennius8012 Cindy says that they all speak English, 70% of them have degrees, they just swap their Hong Kong apartment for a London apartment and they are basically English. They all remember us...from 25 years ago. Did we only import old people? Then suddenly off to Leeds,. They can't speak English, need government aid and housing. All in one single program. Truly astonishing.

[@em-dy3hn]

Great conversations!

[@SimonWallwork]

Refugeees?????????????? I think not.

[@uditfonseka]

im usually very impressed with Douglas but he does not seem to see the big picture with Russel Brand

[@janemayor9210]

Perhaps the reason we are not hearing much about Hong Kong migrants is because they are coming here legally, with skills, capital and an understanding of British culture not trying to jump the queue. Maybe it should be easier to come here legally, but it should always be a balance between migrant’s and British needs. It’s not fair on anyone for it to be easy to jump the queue.

[@Christie197]

I’m an international recruiter you should be speaking with Segovia understands the legal migration system and international migration, a solicitor can’t give you this key information, I know exactly how it works and there are legal routes

[@Mike-ks6qu]

Me and my wife are scrutinized for getting married on a tourist visa through our current LEGAL immigration process. They make you pay tons of fees, thousands of dollars, interview (interrogation really) and it takes months to years....OR you could just walk across the border. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

[@mariodcruz]

The Australian correspondent Helen Dale gave a balanced and nuanced narrative of the Voice referendum situation in Australia, given the short duration of the interview. It was unbiased and factual with only one small but very important exception that was not central to the Australian voice referendum, but an important distinction anthropologically. She says(@37:40) that there is only one human race and the differences currently between humans are ethnic but this is definitely not the case according to current science. All extant humans are indeed of the same species i.e. Homo Erectus but there are at least 4 or 5 distinctly recognisable races-true there is much overlap between these and it is nigh impossible to say where one race becomes another, but it is an entirely different to an incorrect say there are no races. Juse as there is only one species of domestic dog or cat, there are numerous races - the chief difference beingthat Interspecies crosses do not result in fertile offspring whereas interracial crosses result in healthy fertile offspring. I don't believe this is controversial or dispuuted in any way-if I, am please correct me MD

[@Hereford1642]

I remember first hearing that the birth rate had fallen below replacement levels back in the 1970's. I thought it a good thing since it seemed to me even back then that the human population had to come to some equilibrium and stop growing at some point - so why not now. But this has always been painted as a problem; that we must have a growing population to maintain benefits for the old and so on. So we are in a Ponzi scheme of eternal expansion because there is no way off the merry go round. Modern developments in automation would solve many problems and much of the green agenda would be met with a stable or slowly shrinking population - but it has no serious advocates . One day I think it must. Malthus did not foresee the changes that would allow much larger populations than he imagined but that does not mean that he was entirely wrong in the basic premise that there is a limit. And then, of course, there are the more intangible factors like quality of life, society, cohesion, and so on. Even a truly diverse world can only exist where there are different countries with different cultures. Multiculturalism is like mixing all your paints hoping for a gain but producing a uniform sludge.

[@enjoyslearningandtravel7957]

I agree, many people say more population is better, but I think it’s better to have less population because then you have less competition for housing and then instead of building more houses and flat then you don’t have to keep building in the country side, but have more room for parks. You don’t have programs and recreation centers, overloaded, and schools overloaded with too many students.

[@otpfishing968]

The HK'ers will aways be welcome. They share our culture, speak our language, work hard and believe in our values. Theyre the only group who I have zero issues with. Let them in and get them a brew. 🇭🇰 🇬🇧

[@deal2live]

Sunak: good policy if he can explain it!!!!

[@phonecallsarejustoverquali1556]

Just a few belated corrections to Murray's still relevant points about Danish politics: Denmark's more reserved stance on immigration (which has indeed seperated us so much from Sweden and Germany in this regard) actually began already about the turn of the millenium, when Dansk Folkeparti had managed to make the issue unavoidable for the wider right and centre in parliament. The governments of Anders Fogh Rasmussen (2001-2009) marks the actual turning point. It carried on more or less into the late 2010's where Inger Støjberg indeed campaigned hard from inside government to keep the issues related to Islamic immigration on the agenda. Inger Støjberg's parliamentary immunity, then, was revoked in 2021 (following a left-leaning government coming to power in 2019). She was then convicted for an administrative practice she had put in place while in government that - practically speaking - forced under-age brides (

[@robharris5467]

In NZ the relationship between migrants from China and those from Taiwan is similarly fraught. An acquaintance from Taiwan tells me neighbours from mainland are obsessed by reunification. When I suggested this might be the result of Chinese govt activities here, he didn't contradict me.

[@daliborzak2485]

We in Eastern Europe still remember how it was to live under oppressive socialist regime for 40 years. Well, here we go again!

[@doctorshawzy6477]

the lawyers are the enemy

[@doctorshawzy6477]

the movie "omega man" comes to mind

[@tommysmith7031]

I think Helen Dale did a poor job of explaining of what is going on with The Voice. The arguments for the The Voice: 1. The Indigenous Australians asked for it 2. It is only advisory 3. Indigenous Australia deserve recognition in the Constitution by creating The Voice. The things is that there is no need to pass a Constitutional Amendment to set up The Voice. It is only advisory, so what if the government just keep saying no to The Voice recommendations. It could increase tensions. Indigenous Australians have asked for it, so to what extent do we do stuff they ask for it? Also, by establishing The Voice in the Constitution it creates an institution which would assumed to be permanent. Why would we need a permanent The Voice if we don't want the gap between the Indigenous and the other Australians to be permanent?

[@Happyharold666]

They are REPLACING YOU

[@christopherbrookfield4785]

Cindy Yu is always great. Douglas Murray, it seems to me, is attempting to metamorphosize into Tin Tin, and why not! 😂❤🎉

[@irenelancaster3242]

What a load of rubbish about Jews in Eastern Europe from Australian Helen Dale. Is she condoning the Holocaust by any chance? Incidentally, Israel, not Australia, has the most immigrants and most diverse society.

[@charlesbrown4941]

Australia have been careful about the type of migrants they have taken.. not many people walk with a fake limp in Sydney or suck their teeth in.

[@moodyonroody5313]

Helen Dale wrote a book claiming to be Ukrainian - which she is not.

[@janeycollins3618]

The entire explanation of the Voice was very muddy from Helen Dale. It is not a third chamber, it is an advisory panel of 24 chosen (method unknown) reps from Indigenous communities. Legislation that affects their communities will have to be given to them (timeline unknown) for comment. Panel's advice is not binding, they have no power of veto but could, conceivably, challenge in the High Court. Understandable that many of us are rejecting it - mostly on the belief that it will not make one iota of difference. Advisory panels and elected land councils already exist with access to the Minister of Indigenous Affairs (major one is the NIAA). The impact to govt function is also a concern.

[@johnmoorefilm]

@@janeycollins3618thank you

[@rogertayler8924]

The citizens of Lampadusa should be temporarily, luxury housed while the whole island is abandoned.

[@doctorshawzy6477]

population must shrink..

[@Alessio6694]

it is, have a look at the demographic crisis. Populations need to grow

[@berniefynn6623]

CO2 is heavier than air, what will plane feed on with zero carbon, bloody fools.