Romulan Bird-Of-Prey in Action - Captain Kirk On The Enterprise • Part 1 • Star Trek SNW S01E10

[@HippoHannah]

I love how Kirk is being introduced as a tactical genius! Which was often overshadowed by other things in TOS

[@jeffjr84]

Spock is a military strategist also.. so its kinda cool seeing them play on that context.

[@MaestroDrake]

When your dad's around, you become a tactical genius.

[@carminemurray6624]

I love that both Spocks repeated the same line in both TOS and this episode.

[@mattosullivan9687]

Do the same with Doomsday Machine and The Ultimate Computer

[@TexasPanhandler]

*since TOS, I would argue. During TOS Kirk’s skills as a tactician was played up a lot, including his beating Spock at chess in their first episode together (Where No Man Has Gone Before). Between this episode (Balance of Terror), “The Corbomite Maneuver”, “The Golden Years”, etc. his skills were pretty much unmatched.

[@NorybDrol82]

I like how Kirk & Spock are almost in snyc showing the potential of how well they could & will work together.

[@michaelmasserang8922]

This sequence is based on the original series episode "Balance of Terror". In that original episode Kirk is commanding the Enterprise and Spock is the first officer. The duel between the two ships is isolated in a cat and mouse duel that damages both ships. The Romulan anticipating the maneuver around the comet almost costing Kirk the battle. The episode ends with the Romulan commander self destructing his own ship on this side of the neutral zone to avoid the dishonor of being boarded. One of my favorite episodes of all time. Now you know how old I am.

[@dangeary2134]

Then you would also know that the maneuvers by the ships mirrored a sea battle between submarines during WWII. All the maneuvers were tactically sound, up to and including the run from the plasma ball.

[@michaelmasserang8922]

@@dangeary2134, yes. and the original script has the Enterprise warp in full reverse in an attempt to "outrun" the plasma weapon. By the time the weapon hits the hull it has little to no impact. The Klingons and the Romulans use disrupter style plasma weapons as the main armament of their ships. At least in the original series and offshoots up to 2004.

[@ckline5486]

The fact that this show steals heavily from a classic episode of TOS is a vulgarity. This is the kind of slop we are given as Star Trek 56 years after the franchise was begun by geniuses. Akiva Goldsman excretes this filth into our faces and we are supposed to pretend it isn't what it blatantly is.

[@michaelmasserang8922]

@@ckline5486, I have had similar feeling about the newest releases. The writers now have a fraction of the talent that the writers had in the past. And I suppose they do not have to due to the technological explosion we have experienced in digital technology. What writers lack in talent and creativity can be cloaked with special effects and drama. Also, obvious in these new releases as with many modern shows, is the obvious tilt towards wokeness, Identity, equity, and inclusion nonsense combined with the matriarchy in space theme that is so shallow, linear, and stupid. It would be much more enjoyable if CBS would just re-create the original series with modern special effects, new actors that mirror the original cast, and repeat the original script and score as it was written back in 1968. Now that would be fun to watch!

[@onkelebert787]

Captain Obvious strikes again.

[@jcreed09]

In the novels "Spock's World" "The Romulan Way" and "My Enemy My Ally" the Vulcan's saved themselves by separation- the followers of Surak remained on Vulcan while the Reactionary Faction chose not to fight it out, took the high road and left the planet.

[@d.wayneharbison8691]

Love those novels!

[@jcreed09]

@@d.wayneharbison8691 Series involving the split of Vulcans and Romulans would be something- I'm tired of the endless Time Travel plot lines of the current Star Treks

[@d.wayneharbison8691]

@@jcreed09 This group wouldn't be able to write it. Every alien species they write is simply modern millennial humans. They have no concept of how people from different cultures really would act.

[@Clonest]

@@jcreed09 indeed. its become so over-used Lower Decks poked fun at tit!

[@obi-wankenobi4640]

​@Jon Creed It wouldn't involve the Federation since it took place long before it was created. Definitely would be an interesting series

[@Torgo1001]

I like how the Romulan plasma torpedo is depicted. It looks as though the weapon is almost as dangerous to the firing vessel as it is to its intended target.

[@Herowebcomics]

I think this is the best new Trek show I have ever seen! ... that's not animated.😊

[@enesfazlic6017]

The best response ever "They started it" so what This isnt a schoolyard" Awesome

[@Lightingwarrior]

This episode is a perfect example of what I have always said was the Federations biggest flaw it policy of non aggression to the point where they do almost nothing. It may sound good on principle/paper but it makes things needlessly difficult for the Federation and makes itself vulnerable and weak to militaristic and aggressive races like the Klingons and the Romulans Look at Pike he followed Federation policy to the letter, avoiding a conflicts as much as possible, focusing on just crippling the Romulans and opening a dialogue with them ignoring everything the Romulans did, who were clearly the aggressors and he was against lethal action and in the end all it did was led to war. The Federation never really learned the lesson that peace at any cost is simply another word for surrender, that avoiding aggressive action to a clearly aggressive people and simply responding to opponent actions with dialogue/talk makes them look weak and causes more conflicts. Sometimes if you want peace you have to show your opponent strength and that you can match them, otherwise your just food for the sharks.

[@jam0to9]

Maybe you didn’t know but this is what our Aircraft Carriers do today. There are official logs of Chinese and Russian fighter jets trying to show fearlessness by flying aggressively near the bubble protection zone of the flotilla (Destroyers, Carriers, and other ships) but we don’t attack first with authorization for the Pentagon. By the way, where do you think Star Trek gets its command processes, methods, and systems from? Wait for it, “The Military”. Guess you will have to hate the United States Military for the origin “The Federation Flaws and its Policy of Non Aggression to the Point Where they do Almost Nothing”. By the way, NASA takes the same policy and will do so when they began deep space explorations

[@KenS1267]

@@jam0to9 Every navy practices similar rules of engagement in international waters. As long as you don't get too close, don't paint a ship with a targeting radar for too long or do a few other things, which they will tell you over radio, they will not fire on you no matter how belligerent you act. The USN is just the largest blue water navy so they are the ones who get tested the most on such things. Also we didn't need authorization from the Pentagon. The RoE are very clear cut. If a plane or boat violates those rules they get attacked. The rules say when to warn and when to attack. The Russian and Chinese militaries knew those policies and knew just where the lines were and pushed them as far as they dared.

[@bugwar5545]

You know, your observations would be a lot more insightful if this wasn't fictional entertainment masquerading as reality. What the characters do are solely for the purposes of advancing a story line, with as much drama as can be fit. Rational behavior takes backseat to getting the narrative across, with the more theater the better.

[@smallno]

it’s never that black and white when you are dealing with an unknown species. May I suggest reading the novel “ Ender’s Game”. It perfectly demonstrates how completely different life forms oftentimes think way differently on the rules of aggression.

[@slewone4905]

@@smallno It also might be language issues. Treaties are written in two languages. The wordings don't exactly match, and war starts all over, because of two different interpretation. This is what happen with Persian and certain Greek city states. sometimes the words are left vague in one language or more palpable in another, which what happened in the sultanate of Sulu. Hey, I mentioned SULU. THere was two different documents one using less harsh terms indicating the nation was still independent, while the other indicates it was owned. With some countries it is intentional to save face for their people as well. Sometimes it starts off as a country being a protectorate and the country take advantage of the vagueness and turn them to a tribute and then a full subject nation. It could be also different culture consider different acts as hostile. Israel routinely spies on us. This is a good example, because it's due to paranoia. But to them , it's normal.

[@pendarpr]

2:21 reminds me in St DISCO, ...in an encounter with klingons, Michael tried to do the same (after a dialogue with Sarek). To show force, as did the klingon - vulcan encounter. The ship did not attack, ..and then klingon-federation war. (Then it came Giorgiu to solve the conflict)

[@danielpaulson2755]

This episode was a masterstroke, as was the original.

[@harryc1971]

The twist of the episode being that Pike is indirectly the cause of the war, by cheating fate he was not suppose to be in the captains chair and sought diplomacy over military retribution.

[@jamesappling1212]

It's great to see these ships actually Flying!😊

[@ianharac5153]

In light of what we learned about M'benga in S2, it adds depth to his anti-war attitude here. It's not just him being a doctor or having a philosophical objection to war. He's seen what it can mean in the most brutal way possible.

[@lumberluc]

Romulans pulled a "Brake Check". That was a troll move

[@2krockbro_hlw546]

I can’t get over the fact that Captain Kirk reminds me of Jim Carrey…

[@carminemurray6624]

And a Poor Man's Jim Carrey at that, a rather rum Jim, since they were both Jim's, lol 😆

[@indutch2357]

I think it is just bad casting.

[@panicmaker8300]

jim carrey did a kirk parody 😂

[@williamdawson3792]

He’s smoking!!!

[@dignerds]

Great casting

[@2bituser569]

Hmm, what’s the difference if there are other Vulcanoid races that look similar when there are many humanoid races that can pass as human too?

[@skyeranger]

When the the original series aired nobody knew what the Romulans looked like, so it was a great surprise that they looked like Vulcans, like Spock. And mirroring the unease and tensions of the cold war era, them looking like Spock created tension by doubting Spocks integrity and loyalty, which was further pushed by Spock making a mistake which gave away Enterprises location for which he was blamed to have done it intentionaly because the Vulcans and therefore him are secretly cooperating with the Romulans. And for Spocks remark in this series about the Vulcans origin, he is right, the Romulans are of Vulcan origin ald left their planet long ago and never shed their warlike nature. Before Surak brought the philosophy of logic to their people and led them to be what we see today, the Vulcans were a very agressive and warlike species which was intensfied by their planet turning into a harsh arid world. There is lot's of lore in different materials like books that explores that part of them.

[@Exaris79]

Rigelians are Vulcanoids species too but has more green toned skin and facial tattoos. Like the Vulcans&Romulans, the Rigelians are an artificially uplifted species by the Architects/Ancients(which possibly ascended to became part of the Preservers). You could say that the Rigelians/Vulcans/Romulans are different tribes just like the Caitians are related to the Kzinti. Most likely the Rigelians are the parent species of the Vulcans/Romulans just like the Kzinti is the parent species of the Caitians.

[@sklaWlivE]

@@Exaris79 In TNG especially, we see or hear mention of several Vulcan-descendant or distantly related species. The Mintakans for instance from "Who Watches the Watchers" physically resemble Romulans/Vulcans, but this appears to be the result of paralleled evolution instead of direct descent. Meanwhile, it's shown that Early Vulcan exploration efforts and splinters of the Romulan exodus fleets from Vulcan, started their own distant colonies and factions seperate from Vulcan, before falling to the side (such as the Rigellan Beta, mentioned above) such as the Debrune empire. ...It looks like of the major Vulcanoid groups out there, only 3 remain in any significant number however. The Beta Rigellians (Alpha Rigellians are a turtle/avian like species that don't appear to be related, species wise), The Romulans (and possibly the Remans), and the OG Vulcans. My theory: since references and parts were found amongst Debrune ruins to the ancient Vulcan psionic super weapons, and the Vulcan instictual agression, I think the others probably destroyed themselves...they expanded out, until they couldn't anymore, and then turned back inwards...having never had the logical and emotional discipine of Surak nor the drilled in duty and sense of service of S'Task and his Romulan followers/descendants (as well as, at least hinted heavilly in the screen, a general loss of psionic ability amongst their descendants), nor the cooperative nature the Beta and Alpha Rigellians had to display to live on the same world and in the same system...they fell back into the primal self-destructive state that Surak and S'Task had both sought to circumvent. Either they literally destroyed themselves internally, or they aggressively raged outwards until they hit something that could hit back and hit back HARD. Personal headcanon: at least one of these groups hit a Borg vessel, causing the wiping out of their civilization in ancient times, which is why the Borg showed an interest in the Neutral Zone border worlds of the UFP and RSE several thousand years later at the end of TNG's Season 1, despite not seemingly otherwise having a known interest in the Alpha/Beta Quadrant prior to Q's early intervention in "Q Who".

[@patrickasplund]

Plot Armour

[@dr.nigelcool3771]

The Enterprise looks great in this show, a timeless design. 3:51

[@aemiliadelroba4022]

That Attack pattern Tiberius 4 was real something! I need to study it.

[@LouieNeira]

It’s been a known maneuver since WW2.

[@AndersonNeo12]

That sound effect! The sound from the Disruptors of the Romulan Bird of Prey, is the sound of the Disruptors of DS9 Bird of Prey 4:33

[@702ringo1]

This has always been my favorite episode! 🖖 🛸 🚀

[@peterjones2834]

Finally no more flying brick formation they actually tried to dodge for once.

[@kingsman8475]

I would like to the writers revisit The Doomsday Machine.

[@mattosullivan9687]

I do like the rendering of the Romulan. I do like what they are doing with Kirk. However, it does remind me of the Jim Carrey spoof

[@menacelurkingyet8345]

The Riddler : "For if knowledge is power, then a god am I! Was that over the top?"

[@menacelurkingyet8345]

Jim Carrey In Batman Forever (1995)

[@kanaric]

he only looks like jim carrey, doesn't act liek that at all

[@mattosullivan9687]

@@kanaric That is fair, I kind of like him

[@avonacolyte]

Kirk is well written here. Not totally sold on the performance, though it's clear he's trying.

[@harryc1971]

Taking this iconic role walks a fine line between parody and imitation, i think he did okay personally he echos Shatner version but its not an imitation; does seem a smaller build though?

[@jimbopumbapigsticks]

Agreed. I don't get a lot of Kirk vibes from him, but the writing is good nevertheless.

[@Clonest]

Just give him till next season to practice his pauses between words and it'll be perfect!

[@patrickradcliffe3837]

I would disagree this Kirk is lacking the impact of the original, but he is not the lead character here. So they have to diminish the traits.

[@argentaegis]

@@patrickradcliffe3837 He's also not the senior officer in the exchanges. We don't get a lot of exposure to Kirk speaking to his superiors in chain of command. In ToS it's always an ambassador, planetary governor or a starbase commander, never an able senior peer. We're looking at Captain Kirk, second in command of the flotilla. Adding the much needed, from his perspective, aggressive edge while supporting the policy set by the senior officer.

[@chris-su8ns]

I find it amusing that it never occurred to anyone that the Romulans would be aware that their camouflage in the comet's tail was failing and they could fall back.

[@Flielow]

Said it before, I'll say it again. Such bad writing by people who don't even know the Star Trek Universe.

[@NightRunner417]

"I find your lack of strategy disturbing."

[@Warped9]

Yep. And woodenly acted. “Balance Of Terror” is 56 years old and has it all over this SNW outing in terms, writing, direction and acting.

[@mm-gl7sz]

@@Flielow the same thing happened in the comet with Kirk in Balance of Terror

[@vomErsten]

The premise was that the Federation crews thought the Romulans had no idea they were being shadowed based on a supposition that using the cloak sucked up so much energy that the Romulans had to take their own sensors offline. The fact that they pulled back like that was the "oh shit" moment where the Starfleet crews realized that their supposition was incorrect, and they lost a ship to it.

[@justinczech1489]

And was intrigued by a new crew same ship idea. We just keep bringing everyone

[@TheH3dgie]

It's interesting that Pike's "mistake" was not to go to war.

[@girl1213]

Pike's got a "cheat" back in Discovery. He knows if he goes to war, he'll end up disfigured and in a chair. He's had more time to process that and realizes just how scared of that future he actually is. And humans naturally want to avoid what they fear, not face it. Not going to war is not a mistake: not facing your fear is

[@knytrydr73]

Or not willing to risk a war.

[@robertphillips6296]

Disable if possible (to take prisoners and examine their Technology) and Destroy if Necessary, but they must not be allowed to flee back to Romulus.

[@faded9581]

"Get behind them" Gets directly in front of them

[@joseantoniomuniz2314]

Anson Mount the III is a great 👍 Captain, a great actor just like Mr. Buhannon on Hell on Whells. I take my hat 🎩 out for him!!!!

[@robertmoore6149]

He's naming an attack pattern after his own middle name?

[@devthethird2644]

.....And using an attack pattern when they are full defensive. :)

[@ChiefSilverWolf]

Almost like copyrighting the manouver making it his and his alone

[@martin84]

Love the design of the bird of prey

[@Phobos_95]

Can't believe James T Kirk just said Among Us while sitting at a table with crewmates in different colored uniforms

[@Ian.Ian_BoBian]

Sus Trek

[@Voodoomaria]

I love World War 2 movies centred around submarine combat, they made some great ones in the 40's and 50's. Run Silent, Run Deep, The Enemy Below, Great films. Submarine combat movies had a tension no other War movie had because both enemies were essentially blind, and fought by sound and feel. Riveting and suspenseful stuff. Star Trek TOS, Balance of Terror was modelled after those movies and had ALL of the tension, suspense, and taut action of their conventional predecessors. Roddenberry described Star Trek as "Wagon Train in Outer Space", but Balance of Terror showed it to be much, MUCH more. THIS episode of Strange New Worlds is good, BUT, like the first season of TNG that recycled scripts from TOS, the end product just does NOT live up to it's progenitor. When an episode of a TV series almost sixty years old can STILL outshine the newer product, that is the TRUE sign of a CLASSIC. It's untouchable.

[@BrianTaylor-AlwaysInTao]

Lest we forget that on TOS Enterprise hears word back from Starfleet Command at the end of the episode saying that Kirk had their support 100%. "Use your own discretion." This wasn't said to a reckless captain, he was the literal prototype for everything after. Kirk was always essentially the golden boy, the guy who win's the no win scenario, not just a good captain but literally the best Star Fleet had to offer, so I think SNW had better think long and hard before they start trying to make him seem like anything other than the legend he is. Also what does losing the Farragut do to his character's reputation in a fight he actually won in just the Enterprise on TOS? Those of us keeping score think this was a grave mistake on the part of SNW. Great episode, but damn careless when all is said and done.

[@RLJmusic4life]

Love the pew, pew phasers of Kurtzman Trek. I swear this a Babylon 5 reboot.

[@HexAyed]

What happened to the Federation's phasers? Why is it all cannons now? I get that some ships, including the Constitution had some pulse phaser banks, but why does everything have them now? Also, at this point, shouldn't they be blue?

[@WilliamHBaird-eq2hp]

What an amazing Episode ... Great Story & great actors!

[@adamlevine6700]

The entire season was top notch. Best first season in Trek history.

[@tomasinacovell4293]

I just wish the writer's cut out these "keep my foot on the gas just in case" sort of quips, by that time they'd be utterly not thinking about driving a car, they'd not even understand it any more than kids to day know how to use a wireless, it's that stuff that ruined Star Trek all Star Trek in the first place, because it's so Ok Boomer shit!

[@WilliamHBaird-eq2hp]

@@tomasinacovell4293 Calm down... That's your quip? lol As you have no followers or content ... Why not Instead Watch "Star Wars" reboots to see real CRAP and then you can bitch about so much stuff~ SNW Is fine as is ... Point Finale (French for "Case Closed" ) .

[@tomasinacovell4293]

@@WilliamHBaird-eq2hp Heh... ditz!

[@WilliamHBaird-eq2hp]

@@tomasinacovell4293 Captain America? A real twit!

[@tonygiordano3616]

THAT HAIRCUT

[@durchhalter]

This episode is a perfect example for what can happen, if you almost zealously adhere to your own cultural ideals while dealing with radically different cultures, which is typical for the UFP and which is why the Klingons thought of them as cultural assimilators. Another, though less magnificently executed, episode that shows that is DISCO's "The Vulcan Hello": Michael Burnham, as out of line as her behavior as a Star Fleet officer might have been, would have succeeded in preventing the Klingon war by attacking the sarcophagus ship, heeding Sarek's advice and Klingon culture. Whereas captain Georgiou's standard Federation diplomatic approach, completely ignoring Klingon culture, actually elicited the war .

[@mikhailhutchcraft7711]

A little bit rich for the Klingons to say that considering how much more oppressive and uniform their culture is though

[@madliberal7710]

This was an great episode because of the time loop and I didn't think but later that somehow introducing James Kirk as I suspected would still be introduced in the regular timeframe. It's not right but SNW is gonna do it in Season 2.

[@DerpRulesAll]

Aww, Kirk has an attack pattern named after himself, 'Tiberius 4.' And it got his ship blown out from under him.

[@NYCamper62]

Moar Star Trek SNW 💥

[@Peter-vg4sx]

The episode has proved that Kirk was Right.

[@kaicreech7336]

It's interesting to see Ortega be so much colder than in S1 _and_ at odds with Spock... I wonder if they're planning something.

[@girl1213]

You mean McCoy? Well, he has his "Kirk" in Pike....why not?

[@samtani278]

The Kirk Brothers side by side.

[@jmf5246]

Shows how Kirk and Spock work well together

[@knytrydr73]

My only critique of this episode was that the Farragut was not another Constitution class ship.

[@roystonlodge]

Ironically, the guy playing Kirk looks more like Jeffrey Hunter than Anson Mount does.

[@steveparashis4104]

I’m confused this Kirk reminds me of Jim Carey in a SNL skit…

[@Kiara_Vitani]

its hard for me not to see him as Stefan Salvatore.

[@RogueRail]

4:34 I can barely it, it’s the missile warning from Ace Combat

[@lonewolf3869]

A revamp Star Trek episode of Balance of Terror from the 60's Star Trek series nice. Love how the Enterprise looks but the the front of the warp nacells should spin in opposite directions not the same direction that looks tacky.

[@tedpronj]

If it rotates clockwise looking from the front, physics... right hand rule.

[@78.BANDIT]

Kirk 8s the type of man who would have shaken his brother's hand in public. And hugged in private.

[@channelwalk7286]

3:26 Hilarious *Pike's* face sitting in the Captain's chair looks just as painful & constipated when he's sitting in the.. Other ..medical chair.

[@Eradicator-jv9xr]

Too soon man

[@channelwalk7286]

@@Eradicator-jv9xr may _never_ even happen, yeah ? timeline always changing

[@keithmcknight7646]

IF Spock was still tracking the Romulan ship, HOW did it get BEHIND the Farragut? The previous screen showed it AHEAD of both the Enterprise and the Farragut. WHY weren’t they at RED ALERT before the attack?

[@dangeary2134]

At that point of tech, they still had shortcomings on both sides. If I was the Romulan commander, I would have done the same thing. Spoof the enemy’s sensors. It’s likely that he used a simple, low tech way to do it, as it makes tactical sense. Make the enemy believe your are somewhere you are not.

[@bugwar5545]

"...HOW did it get BEHIND the Farragut..." Plot armor. If they didn't get behind, it would be a very short episode. Now why they didn't just have a segment of the Romulans noticing the trap, I don't know.

[@lawrencebraun7616]

Why didn't Chris Pine do Captain Kirk?

[@williamprice4269]

I didn’t like how they made Ortegas out to be Lt. Stiles but someone had to be that person.

[@tech83studio38]

" I'm trying to save you all of you ." - Commander Michael Burnham circa 2257

[@johnbryson1019]

Tiberius 4 Attack Plan. Correct me if I am wrong but isn,t Tiberius James T Kirk's middle name?

[@holojello8277]

4:40 Didn't know that Federation ships had missile alerts

[@ModestNeophyte]

did romulan ships use an artificial singularity for power in this era, or were they using antimatter like us? If it was the first option, there should have been an implosion...

[@VhenRaTheRaptor]

I think the implication was they were using fusion...

[@paulgould9946]

Always is a remake of balance of Terror from the T.O.S and as a classic Trek fan I think I'll give it a miss thank you

[@DarthVader-1701]

The episodes really be named A Quality of Member Berries.

[@dmathmothtutinean8950]

??????? Wha?

[@Artifactsofmars]

Cripes they got all the talk in and then cut away at the fun part.

[@Royalivyacademy]

59 seconds in.... Look at the WIG BRO.... Can I buy that on Amazon?

[@jmf5246]

How did Kirk lose? First the Romulans only had the plasma torpedo not phasers and their ship was slow compared to the enterprise. And no shields on the Farragut?

[@2097Pyros]

There are shields on the Farragut, you can see them flare up when a cannot shot from the T'Liss hits the saucer during the flip. However, the shields would not have mattered because the Destabilized Plasma Torpedo (to use the STO name for the weapon) is just that powerful. The weapon caused catastrophic damage through an outpost's deflectors AND through a large thickness of asteroid (and it's like that in the original, too). The Farragut's lucky it took that head-on, because taking that kind of hit on the flat of the saucer....well, no more saucer section.

[@ladylightning1741]

I'm so here for the implication that if they destroyed the Romulans on sight the conversation with the Vulcans in the Federation would go like this: Vulcans: As pacifists, we cannot condone-- Spock: The Romulans are clearly related to Vulcans but have not embraced pacifism. Vulcans: Understood, live long and prosper.

[@Forge17]

Who is in charge of casting? The actor does as best he possibly can, but nothing about him looks like a James Kirk in any universe.

[@MichaelWilliams-mo1vv]

Interesting a remake of 'Balance of Terror'.

[@jdsim9173]

Kirk wasn't captain when Pike was captain

[@jimvsmij1973]

First, Starfleet ships can only fire forward? Second, why do they fly like airplane when they are in space? Couldn't Kirk's ship simply spin about the axis of the saucer to face the Romulans? That would take like 1/2 of a second. Another thing that all Starfleet ships should be doing is having their finger on the warp button on a setting that allows them to jump a minimum distance anytime they get surprised by something during an upcoming battle.

[@NightRunner417]

This has been an issue from the very beginning with TOS. If you want flip and burn maneuvers, may I humbly suggest Expanse... If you're not already a fan of course. The final season use of flipping to fire the railgun was frickin' brilliant.🙂

[@tonycrabtree3416]

In the TOS, yes they only fire forward. The Enterprise was not a fighting vessel, it was an exploration vessel with defensive capabilities. 5 year mission to seek out new life, new civilizations

[@NightRunner417]

@guy ROFL r/pedanticaholes

[@tonycrabtree3416]

@guy It’s a shame Star Trek has gone by the way side of Star Wars..

[@tonycrabtree3416]

@guy Well, no one is going to stand in place when being fired upon from behind. Star Trek was never a fighting show, it was a post fighting pre-universal peace show.

[@iamgermane]

Are they going to redo anymore famous episodes????? What is next the "Doomsday Machine" episode?

[@fig1115]

not a redo .more a what if .

[@mm-gl7sz]

That episode would probably be Pike having second or third thoughts about his fate again and being shown that he, the enterprise, and at least the Rigel colonies get wiped out by the Doomsday machine because Kirk is not Captain of the Enterprise and Pike doesn't figure out that flying the Constellation with the impulse engines set to overload into the Doomsday machine is what will destroy it. That will be because Pike has no Spock to help him figure it out since Spock was killed in the alternate timeline Balance of Terror

[@dr.zippymcscoots8725]

Loving it.

[@bozotheclown169]

4:48 he looks more like Shatner Kirk upside down

[@adammclaughlin845]

Oh no... They've got abramsverse guns and no classic phaser sounds?

[@robtierney5653]

Why does Star Trek keep making each post Shatner Kirk, look like he's never rode a horse in his life of chopped wood?

[@izregistered]

Is this the transitioning Kirk?

[@nigelmurphy6761]

I'd say that's a pretty damn good bet.

[@bieneulm1982]

There is only one J.T. Kirk.

[@emperorsean1]

Romulans were in TOS this show is saying this is the time they meet the romulans? Well that's cannon breaking as it was established that the Enterprise first came into contact with the romulans in the 22nd century with Captain Archer. And it's been well known and established simce star trek tng that vulcans and romulans share an ancestry as they were the same race. Why is spock only finding out this now as if he didn't know that romulans existed and as if he's never seen a romulam before and didn't know they share an ancestry? Ugh the first few episodes of this season was good but but clearly someone didn't do their homework. Why should I be surprised it's kurzman trek.

[@geekinitwithjimclassic8240]

Isn't all of Kurtzman-Trek essentially a totally different universe? That's always been my impression, and a perfect explanation for anything canon-breaking.

[@Wardc8]

You’ve clearly never seen Balance of Terror. It’s strange to argue the breaking of canon if you’re completely ignorant of the source material. Yes, they skipped explaining that there had never been visual communication with the Romulans before. It was mentioned somewhat in passing… but not clearly. And in the original episode, it was a somewhat contrived plot point to progress the anti-bigotry message of Balance of Terror. (Seems very unlikely they never found a Romulan body during the entirety of the Earth-Romulan War) But to whine about the breaking of canon when you have no grasp of that canon is farcical to a almost pathetic degree.

[@MorbidMind123]

I can't tell if this is sarcastic, Spocks dialogue is almost word for word what he says in Balance of Terror.

[@thisjustin6150]

Are people not following this entire episode is a dream scenario? A what if? Based on future pike?

[@canadaclub8920]

it's the first time a romulan was ever seen, as in what they looked like

[@Donnie-Lee-Gringo]

How can two cultures be at war with each other but not know what they look like? Wouldn't the Federation know what Romulans looked like? Wouldn't the Vulcans and Romulans have known this?

[@Agent77X]

In the original episode, it was only one starship, Kirk’s Enterprise, not Pike’s Enterprise! 😱

[@gamerone7390]

Thats the point of the episode

[@GHOSTLYWHISPERSASMR]

I am sorry but the actor who is playing Kirk resembles Bones then kirk

[@florianhug9801]

Oh yea, they destroyed some of our outposts, started firing on us. But let's make sure WE don't start a war.

[@magus7935]

That chicks hair is not starfleet regulation.

[@fernandoruiz8109]

GEE-zus! Pike's hair looks ridiculous!!

[@ServantOfOdin]

How funny that they made the Romulan Bird-of-Brey (an analogue to submarines) no longer act in its trademark way - remain cloaked until firing its plasma-torpedo, then cloaking again. Now it acts more like a Klingon Bird-of-Prey with its plastering of the Farragut.

[@jimskywaker4345]

had to act differently because their were 2 ships

[@ServantOfOdin]

@@jimskywaker4345 You really think so? Tell a modern submarine to act like a gunboat and see the result - it fails. But not starship, eh....

[@Exaris79]

That Tiberius4 Maneuver is stupid. Knowing the Romulan's main weapon is being on the front arc, the Farragut should had moved to flank the enemy instead of just flipping right in front of it. Regardless if it's above or below of Romulan's plasma torpedo firing arc, the Farragut should had moved anywhere but stay in the front. Of course the Romulan got a direct hit as instead of putting distance between itself, the helm officer seems to be thinking in simple 3d axis for its maneuvering. In the TOS, Sulu tried to outrun the plasma torpedo instead of going for a frontal counterattack. This allowed TOS Spock to determine the longer the distance, the slower&less destructive energy that the Plasma Torpedo has since it was fired. Even with weakened shields, this allowed the TOS Enterprise to survive a direct hit&Kirk took advantage of the Plasma Torpedo's weakness. I think the big difference in this battle for both the SNW Farragut&Enterprise to the TOS Enterprise are their helm officers. TOS Sulu&Chekov were great at their stations. Chekov being in Tactical had great timing&didn't waste his shots. So instead of flanking the Romulans, the Farragut got hit directly and Enterprise also failed to take advantage of the situation by not firing a shot while the Farragut was in trouble. Pike failed in his assumption of having one of the ships act as bait for the Romulan so that the other Starfleet ship could hit the enemy. Finally, SNW Kirk should had programmed the other drone mining ships to do a kamikaze warp run towards the Praetor's flagship. This would allow Enterprise to escape without further damage but also show the Romulans that Starfleet has expendable ships that's willing to take the fight directly to the enemy. The Romulans still outnumbered the Starfleet ships but they're going to be too busy trying to save their flagship.

[@bugwar5545]

Why is Jim Carrey playing Kirk?

[@patrickradcliffe3837]

The fact the original episode was based on the movie The Enemy Below. They did not look at that source when they wrote this episode so it seems more disconnected from the source being a rewrite of a episode. While okay I think they should used the movie Greyhound as the source for this episode. I mean the Kurtzman writers are so good at plagiarizing other folks works.

[@UndyingNephalim]

Is this show a reboot or not...?

[@travisboyle285]

No. In the episode Pike alters the future by not being in the accident. His future self ( in Wrath of Khan Starfleet uniform) comes back to show him the consequences of his actions.

[@NoBody-xg1wg]

VERY LOW audio levels

[@gbonito1]

Is it ne or did they get the casting wrong. The guy playing Kirk is more Pike. The guy playing Pike is more Kirk.

[@yosemitejam]

Is it just me or does Kirk look like Jim Carey? 😂

[@bugwar5545]

Yep. And not a very good one.

[@LancetFencing]

I really don’t understand the insistence of new track to use pew pew phasers when the obvious canon is a continuous wave beam

[@michaeljandreau7341]

Blame Jar Jar Abrams, I don' t know what his fascination with starships having 8 million+ weapons ports so every member of the crew has a weapon to fire and miss the enemy, instead of a ships weapons dept. handling the defense of the ship. SMH

[@alexholden2512]

Actually if you watch balance of terror, shatner says to use phasers to shoot blindly at where the cloaked bird of prey might be, and the effect is pulse phasers instead of beams. So this actually lines up well with canon, since every other time in this show the phasers have been beams

[@alexholden2512]

@@TheSighphiguy there were actually a few pew pew moments in tos as I mentioned in my first reply. In fact the phasers were pulse like in wrath of khan which I just watched like 5 hours ago

[@Spaceman719]

Pew pew is more fun

[@lucasbachmann]

@@alexholden2512 that's because photon torpedoes hadn't been introduced in the show yet.

[@michaelmartin8337]

Why do they always focus on secondary characters - if that's the case why don't they just have one big meeting with the entire crew so everyone can have a say on what to do about the Romulan attacks? I'm sure some galley cook has some tactical knowledge on fighting invisible Romulan warbirds, why just get the opinion of a navigation Ensign?

[@bugwar5545]

I kinda like that idea, a bit of a "Below Decks" episode.

[@AlternicityBlogspot]

They have to empower women.

[@larkfeast]

Wesley doesn't have the gravitas or grandeur of Kirk.

[@Egilhelmson]

But Tim Allen DID???

[@larkfeast]

@@Egilhelmson of course

[@TheGameGetterKuzuri]

SOOOO... Balance of terror never happened?

[@LouieNeira]

How ironic. The only way to create great episodes is to re-hash old ones. 🖖🏼

[@daryl198920]

It’s funny how they didn’t learn from their he Klingon war shame

[@2bituser569]

This isn’t a democracy M’Benga. No one gets a vote. Crossing knowingly into ufp territory and becoming hostile is an act of war. Talking to the Romulans is weak. Quark was right you can’t pursue peace at all cost. The UFP needs good Ferengi capitalism!!!

[@firstname4337]

as long as you're quoting Quark why don't you quote the speech he gave to the Vulcan about peace can be bought now at a bargain and going to war is illogical

[@mm-gl7sz]

Ferengis were scam artists not capitalists. Akin to a boiler room scam telemarketer