Roselia Only - Pokemon Emerald - Valentine's Day Special!

Rules:
1. Only my starter in battle
2. No items in battle, except held items
3. No glitches, exploits, or save states
4. No movepool evasion-boosting moves before level 100*
Rule details:
-- I make no attempt to have the exact same rule details between generations.
-- I am allowed to manipulate my starter
-- I play the game at 4x game speed
-- For fair comparisons my Pokemon have perfect (or near perfect) DVs / IVs
-- I am allowed to catch HM users - I can use all field moves
-- Evasion boosting is allowed if the move is not obtained from the Pokemon’s movepool. For example, using Mimic or Mirror Move to boost evasion is allowed.
-- Surge's trash-can-puzzle is automatically solved
-- The bike is allowed in gen1 & 4, banned in gen2, and allowed only to bypass terrain in gen3
-- Saving between league members is allowed
-- I can pause the game and timer to take breaks
-- Items obtained with the ability Pickup can only be used if the starter obtained them
-- The footage is sped up & slowed down to match the pace of my narration
These Rule details apply only to generation 1:
-- All battle-mechanic glitches are allowed (glitches that occur outside of battle are banned)
-- In generation 1, I'm allowed to skip Marowak with the Poke Doll
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[@SentretPeanut]

The way my boyfriend slapped the arm of the couch and yelled “LET’S GO!” when you started a second play through 😆♥️ Happy Valentine’s Day to you and your lovely wife Scott! ♥️

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

This comment made my day! Thank you for sharing!

[@charlessegale6493]

39:51: Scott: There's only *JUAN* last gym challenge. Ah, I see what you did there...

[@jeffreyprice9790]

Bro I was literally reading this comment as Scott said it in the video 😂. It's the small things

[@bobosmith101]

shoutout to triathlete alyssa who just falls off the cycling road in hoenn and she's like "yeah i'll battle you"

[@MFMegaZeroX7]

Yay we finally are getting second playthroughs in Emerald! :)

[@Dpmt]

I’m surprised you didn’t go modest for a nature given how useless physical moves are on Roselia.

[@Israel_Augustine]

Same

[@DWargs]

Sludge Bomb and Shadow Ball are both physical in this gen

[@jaydenkween1828]

You don't need to boost Special Attack with a nature if you already have growth from the start, it's better to get the most speed possible

[@Dpmt]

@@jaydenkween1828 Scott went with a rash nature which boosts special attack and not speed. I have no criticism of him boosting special attack because the 10% boost is multiplied by growth to bring opponents into KO range at lower levels. I only question why a minus special defense nature when there was effectively no physical attacks were used in the video making a minus attack nature more valuable. If you want to argue for something like timid or naive that is another matter entirely.

[@jaydenkween1828]

​@@DpmtI'm the absolute worst at remembering which nature is which 😂😂, but yeah, I meant Timid (-Atk, +Spe?)

[@user-qd8qp3fv3u]

Shadow Ball might be in its move pool because shiny roselia kind of fits the ghost vibe with its black and purple roses. I think it's pretty cool to imagine it shooting shadow balls outta those :D

[@aaronguy6]

It was my first shiny and at first I thought my game was messed up but then I remembered shinies existed. Lol.

[@ave_maria323]

Its one of my favorite shinies

[@shinigamimiroku3723]

Given all the oddities of RSE, I suspect that they wanted to implement the physical/special split as early as this generation but weren't able to get it done.

[@WillowEpp]

Scott, I think the accumulated resets/blackouts should be called Faults. Like in tennis or volleyball.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

This is the best term I've heard. Fantastic suggestion.

[@TastyMeerkat]

Ngl, I got very worried when Scott was going for Stun Spore on the Machop and letting it set up Bulk Up "Scott! Scooooott! It has Guts!"

[@lazypaladin]

Ngl I popped a little bit when you finally beat Winona in Run 1. _"You HP Fire here! _*_Balls to the Sunny Day, you HP Fire here!"_*

[@A_levs]

Dang both Scott and Jimothy Cool hitting us with awesome Roselia content on the same day!

[@escapecamperhire4929]

wow this guy is great at the game. he really has a good thought process around the game and he puts together really intelligently done videos. the data and the methodology and stuff is rigorous and we trust his results.

[@skeetermania3202]

I think it’s a bit excessive, specifically with spinners.

[@verymelonman12]

Grass Whistle really needed a buff in order to not be Sleep Power but worse. Like at lease 90 accuracy if you want to make it a signature move of Roselia.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Yeah, even 80% or 85% would have been nice… it’s not Spore. Plus Compound Eyes + Sleep Powder exists, higher Grass Whistle accuracy wouldn’t be broken

[@AxewKairiSora-db9gz]

Funny thing. Grasswhistle is just Sing, but extra characters.

[@BloodfelX]

I always found it weird that sound-based moves had lower accuracy, despite also already having the downside of not affecting Pokemon with Soundproof.

[@TheMoogleKing93]

Make it deal a little damage, like base 40, and have a 50% chat of inflicting sleep

[@tsawy6]

​@@BloodfelXthey're distributed to a different type of mon. Sleep powder needs to be better because early grass types especially were support/status mons.

[@ricksdarkness3257]

Glad to see you back! I tried solo running Sapphire with the Bulbasaur line and can say that Drake is terrifying for grass-types without Hidden Power

[@Lurker504]

I feel bad for laughing at "then theres only juan last gymleader" well played Scott xD

[@charlessegale6493]

Glad I wasn't the only one that noticed that. XD

[@WorkInProgressX]

I’m digging the new thumbnail style. Great work as always man, glad you could overcome the technical issues

[@kode-man23]

Love this so much! I always knew that having a second play through would do wonders for most Pokemon.

[@pizzaturtles5128]

Loving the new gym leader intros(unless i just never noticed them last year)! Very excited to see the second playthroughs for gen3, this was an amazing gift thank you Scott ❤

[@jonathanchronister5210]

My favorite Grass type from Gen 3 on my birthday! Awesome video as always Scott!

[@MadameTeqi]

Hey, happy valentine birthday to ya! (I have the same and it's always a delight to see other cupid babies)

[@discgolfwes]

I just got done watching the Clefable vs Granbull video! Hell yeah!

[@discgolfwes]

AND A SECOND PLAYTHROUGH LET'S GO

[@dariustubilda5053]

It's really minor, but not having Poison point as an ability made the perfectionist in me twitch, as Natural cure in a solo playthrough is like basically having no ability since you can't switch it out

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I think you commented this before the end of video ;)

[@BB-ej7su]

The Valentines gift we all needed; you always make the day/week better for us Scott. Much love for all the work you put into your content ❤

[@Willingmess]

Woohoo! This is the only valentine I’ll get today! Thanks!

[@johndafoe9276]

The second playthrough was such a nice surprise! Thanks for all you do! ❤

[@AzureFlute]

Roselia is a Pokémon that grew on me. I didn't care for it in Gen 3, but because it got a full evolutionary line with a baby and an evolution in Gen 4, it's become one of my favorite lines in the series. The design is really nice, has a good moveset, I like the stat spread, Roselia as a middle stage is a great Pokémon, just an all around good family of Grass-types.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

It grows on everyone with how much it has to spam growth.

[@SantaBark]

Always nice to see the regular uploads!

[@JayFnkay]

On of my fav mons! Great video Scott!

[@balmung1992]

2 fantasic videos in 2 days! You're spoiling us! Hope the well earned break was good!

[@midspaz5226]

HOLY SHITE I did not expect a second play through this made my day

[@jaspergames3271]

Thanks for the uploads it helps my day

[@jakeharper5807]

Welcome back Scott! Missed your videos in the new year!

[@mariahthezamazentalover]

Great video Scott. Happy Valentine's Day

[@TripleShizzle]

Love the second playthrough, great run! Agree that HP electric might be worth trying as coverage

[@gjergj124]

Thanks for the upload Scott ! Been waiting for some more vids minus the live streams

[@ScottE-2]

Happy Valentines day! I may be alone this year but Roselia is an interesting Pokémon. It's interesting how it sort of resembles Seadra stat wise but its defenses are swapped.

[@bluethemew9273]

I love the Roselia line, I always go get one when Roserade is available it’s so beautiful and nice really wanna see a Roserade only run at some point

[@milkdud8993]

I don’t mean to look a gift horse in the mouth; but we’d need 6 play-throughs to get a dozen flowers. That is an awesome improvement in round two though, so I know your heart was in it. Thanks for another gen 3 run!

[@Rubbly]

No modest nature during the 2nd playthrough? Which physical attacks did you use? Loving the return and all the exciting progress you've made! 2nd playthroughs on Emerald are great to see! Edit: also sorry, I see you already replied to a comment about modest nature lol

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Yeah, 100% an oversight. I get hyper fixated on preserving both attacking stats in these runs because I need the adaptability in a blind run. But this was my first follow up and I didn't realize I should be changing my nature.

[@Xeraser2]

Watching so many resets pile up against that Numel when setting up twice and then finishing the setup on the Slugma was the most obvious answer was REALLY painful.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I don’t think so, the Slugma get another full SpA overheat

[@-GrowingPains-]

Displaying the badges greyed out behind stats is such a good idea to declutter the overlay while still maintaining an awesome amount of information.

[@snek1287]

Omg so relatable with hyper fixating/over valuing move synergies, I'll be like "no no i need to keep non STAB rollout and defense curl" cause they make a brain happy moment like solving a children's puzzle 😂💀 Great run! I held my breath when you paralyzed the guts machop but that's just me underestimating the flower power🌹🌹

[@alijohar4937]

So happy to see you back Scott!

[@thecarsongardner]

Super happy to see second playthroughs in emerald. Would be even more happy to see a smeargle run in gen 3...

[@Flamerai42]

After the first playthrough I was thinking you could have saved about 30 minutes cutting out the fat from the playthrough and then when you did the second playthrough I felt so vindicated on the almost exactly 30 minutes saved. Glad to see you back Scott. In video form I have been catching streams here and there

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

It's good to be back in video form!

[@Dictionary_Remix]

Lets goo, I love the entire budew line💚🌹

[@jackruby6696]

Happy Valentine’s Day Scott thanks again

[@tgreeny1400]

Scott something to remember about peliper it will always go for protect first turn with how it is coded. So any time you fight one you can use it to setup

[@DL23a]

Hey Scott you really threw with roselia and gave it unfair results! Just kidding of course, I am happy with the videos and your way to approach them, and you can't be perfect for all of them. Really enjoyed the run!

[@apache3133]

I think it's worth thinking more about just spawning HM users/giving 100% catch rate for them at this point since the game is already being fundamentally manipulated by changing wild encounters and spinners. The ability to catch wild Pokémon consistently as you said is the case for Roselia isn't ever something you've considered when ranking them in the tiers so I'm unsure why you'd want to maintain that aspect. I might just have not understood fully your intentions there though. Glad you're back though and can't wait for the Garchomp Platinum run whenever you get around to it! E: I would also add that some Pokémon have abilities that increase or decrease encounter chance (Illuminate/Intimidate) so turning off encounters already warps (albeit slightly) the final times.

[@gstate32]

Why not just set an extra NPC that just gives you all 3 at once. Would be faster and as you said he's already manipulating the game anyway so why not just skip the additional steps. If he's worried about the added time from catching being removed than he wouldn't be turning off encounters or forcing specific encounters in the first place.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

My approach isn’t perfect. You’ve listed some edge cases here. The goal is to as quickly as possible deduce the Pokémon’s ability to solo the game and be able to go present that to viewers. Catching is easier for some Pokemon. But encountering the right Pokemon in the first place is not something that can be achieved without luck. If Mewtwo runs into 50 poochyena where as Rayquaza gets the Marill first encounter, then the two runs are no longer comparable. There is now a luck induced time offset which isn’t correlated to species. Of course Pokémon as a game relies heavily on luck. I seek to attenuate this in the scenarios where it obfuscates accurate rankings.

[@james-michaelsellers3884]

Could it be coded so that when you get your starter, you automatically also get appropriate HM friends added? That would make it relatively instantaneous and the same period of time for each run, if possible.

[@iBenjamin1000]

fun little interaction with the freeze status, starting in gen 2, pokemon can't be frozen in sun.

[@DLC88]

Ha! I didn't expect this so good!

[@darlhiatt8136]

Heck yeah, happy valentines day Scott! Thanks for the flowers!

[@Nicoco_Mochi]

Haven’t watch the video yet, liked it already.

[@reshawshid]

35:09 I heard this phrase and thought of an alternative way to say that. "He has plenty of rizz but suffers from performance issues."

[@brianwisecarver4880]

OHHHH MY MAN GOT ME WITH THE SECOND PLAYTHROUGH!

[@Speedrunner0218]

I really love the fact you're doing 2 playthroughs now. I think if you had stuck to 2 playthroughs at the start, you could already at crystal level skillset by now, plus you can always do redo streams later. Glad to see you build up on runs in emerald, which felt missing compared to gens 1 and 2 (now 4, but never say never)

[@Capslok23342]

roselia did surprisingly well! may be the power of love

[@cardwarsalfrein744]

my head cannon for Roselia getting shadow ball was always "oh that move would look cool in contests" because Roselia was like the go to pokemon i used in contests when i was a teenager

[@SmashMath151]

Imagine how bad this would've been without Growth or Hidden Power! Got walled in predictable spots, but was surprisingly good other than that and still solid overall! Could it be worth it to go with HP Ice for consistnecy in the spots you mentioned and use GrassWhistle on Steven's Metagross?

[@spacedoyster7686]

I used Roselia in Gale of Darkness once. It was very nice!

[@Philipp19967]

Roselia was my favorite Pokémon in Gen3. It was the first Pokémon I trained, which wasn't my starter

[@Nixoth]

Yoo scott when u do the dancing salamence u should get some custom art for it. Id love to see a dancer salamence. Lol also we love you too scott 🤣

[@Chronoflation]

I applaud the choice of hidden power fire. It handles the Skarmories and the Metagross. Hidden Power ice may make more sense for a best league time, but, when you have a special attacking poison type to face Steven with, fire is obviously the best choice. I would be curious how a HP electric and dark would do, for a lot of neutral coverage and super effectiveness against the many fliers in the case of electric and the twins for dark

[@djb1634]

I normally only listen to your runs while I work but I’m actually watching this time and looking at your overlay I see that at this point ( 2:58 ) the power of poison sting goes from 22 to 45 at the start of the battle. Why is that? Normal power is 15 so I assumed the 22 you had before the battle was STAB. Love your work man. Especially these videos with split evolutions or Pokemon who aren’t normally available till post game.

[@princessremilia9981]

It goes to 45 since its super effective.

[@djb1634]

@@princessremilia9981 Thank you that makes sense.

[@chosenonea2992]

My guess is supereffectiveness against lotad. 15 power x 1..5 stab x 2 super effective gives 45, so that scans.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I came here hoping the reply thread would mention my PP obsession. If it’s too small, I get anxiety, and Giga Drain has a tiny amount of PP.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Poison Sting: 15 base power, 22.5 effective power with STAB, 45 effective power when super effective against the target

[@ebilgaming]

THE KING IS BACK BOYS!!

[@SoraDonaldGoofy99]

Sunny Day should be on Route 120, inside a cave on the water called the Scorched Slab. Maybe you mentioned it later, but I remember that it was in there pretty clearly.

[@SIDEWAYS255]

Considering how consistent you could get +2 from growth, I think the move is to just attack after set up. Counting on a crit alone is awkward, but overheat can also miss. That's enough to just force it and probably save time. Alternatively you could do the same set up and then just use grass whistle once against her ace.

[@Colin1Moriarty]

The way I clicked off full screen and started reading comments after steven was beaten to read that there's a second play through! Lets goooo so excited Sorry i havent been commenting as much Scott, got a new puppy and theyre very time consuming but im still watching! Happy valentine's day for then!

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Congrats on getting a new puppy Colin, that’s really exciting! (Of course adoption by a new pet takes a lot of energy and time. I did it twice last year.)

[@wilhelmisaac]

Good guy Scott reminding us all to order flowers before we end up sleeping on the couch

[@jonathanfrank9207]

Such a great wingman

[@marlysalt]

About the Flannery fight, you could have set up some against numel and then some against slugma, relying on mega/giga drain to heal for sustainablility. If you insist on using grasswhistle, it's place is against Torkoal. If your options are crit or get lucky with grasswhistle, grasswhistle turns a much lower chance into (essentially) a coin flip. So, the match could look like: 2-3 growth, mega/giga drain, 2-3 growth, mega/giga drain, giga drain or magical leaf for camerupt, grasswhistle for Torkoal, 2 turns to ko.

[@ZhangLiao07]

So real quick. Maybe the macho brace you get from winstraits (however you spell it) might help with some pokemon. It halves speed in battle so probably not great for major battles, but it doubles evs obtained. It might help some runs if you use the vs seeker to get specific vaules while you need to grind sometimes. Not sure if thats too much work though

[@GandharKulkarni2000]

46:24 absolutely splendid line there

[@Lightborn1311]

I think the way you choose your natures just shows how you like to play the game. Personally I subscribe to the single damage type mindset, so I usually go for adamant or modest natures (jolly and timid have their place as well), the idea being that you probably won't ever use physical attacks as a special attacker and vice versa. Scott seems to value offense as well, just from a different angle. Seems like he prefers to lower defenses in favor of having every move he's got do as much damage as possible. Two sides to the same coin.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

To add to what you’re saying, I think this is also format dependant. For a solo run sometimes you need your non-primary offensive stat in a pitch against a particularly awful foe. But in a Nuzlocke / casual run you can just switch out. When game knowledge is lower I think maintaining both stats is going to yield better results. When game knowledge increases, I’d say that the natures you suggest will perform better on average.

[@Lightborn1311]

@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Absolutely, I forgot to say format makes a difference as well. We all need to adopt a relaxed nature with the nature criticism a little, we all love Pokémon and your content anyway!

[@Nicholas86753]

SECOND PLAYTHROUGHS IN EMERALD! 🎉 Yo, now that you are doing second playthroughs... does that mean that we are finally getting Solrock vs. Lunatone? 🙏🤩

[@kevinsips3658]

Duuuuuude I’ve been waiting for these! Spoiler: can’t wait for Blaziken’s third playthrough!

[@garethleahy412]

He's back!

[@christopherholladay1015]

Awee, thanks for the flowers Scott! 🌹

[@pjanderson4876]

You really threw with Rosella, obviously you’re just trying to give it bad results Love you Scott, everybody makes mistakes. That’s what second playthroughs are for. So you can learn from your mistakes, and be better because of it.

[@cheesehotdog3471]

Hi! Hostile comment about how you threw with Roselia and tried to give it bad results! This may only be a thing in later gens, but doesn't the move reminder let your Pokemon remember TM moves? Like Sunny Day, for example?

[@yamiryushi]

Considering that roserade is my favorite grass type, I am pretty certain it will do well!

[@jkchirmera9382]

Including a second playthrough in the initial video is much appreciated!

[@olavjorvik94]

YES! SECOND PLAYTHROUGHS!🤩

[@LI0NS0N]

Does Leech Seed help set up against Flannery? I feel like someone has to test that. You get back health passively to at least tank the non-Overheats while setting up better.

[@derekberthiaume5367]

I feel like with flannery trying to put her Ace to sleep was the best option because if you're consistently getting there with plus four set up then you have a 55% chance to just go through it with no problem

[@Penguindude1]

I like Roselia's design, and its animation when it gets hit in the Gamecube Pokemon games.

[@roarmagnus]

So, I would refer to the ones who "spin" in a fixed directions, "rotators" while the other kind I would refer to as "spinners", it makes them more easily distinguishable if you talk about them, and a big reason I use those names is because a lot of runners seem to be using the same words this way to distinguish spinners and rotators. Now, seeing as you are basically scripting out spinners, you probably won't talk about this a lot, but it could be helpful if you use those descriptors should you talk about rotators specifically in the future. Hope this comment is viewed as helpful rather than annoying. Love the vids!

[@nightfan1983]

Yay for second runs in Emerald 🥳

[@Zachpi]

I'm not here to say you threw as you predicted, but I do find it really funny that you went with petal dance for tate and Liza considering how much value you typically put on recovery.

[@naraiceylob]

Hey Scott, would you consider doing playthroughs with egg moves in 2nd playthroughs. When you mentioned Salamence with DD it made me think.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

No egg moves for second runs. But special videos in the future, I’m sure I’ll use egg moves then.

[@naraiceylob]

@ScottsThoughtsPokemon you are right. It's probably better that way.

[@james-michaelsellers3884]

Kinda wonder if Shadow Ball is there to counter Psychic types who might want to go after the /Poison

[@officerj2002]

Roselia one of my favorites

[@passtheyaoi]

during the flannery fight i kept wondering to myself if growth being sun-boosted was in this game. i was hoping that could be a fun out unforch

[@nelsondaily]

20:21 Note that the Sludge Bomb TM only becomes available after defeating Norman, so you couldn't get it anyway

[@inventiveusername5191]

I remember on my very first save of Ruby, when I was, like 8 or 9, a long time into my post-Elite-4 messing about, I had a level 70-something Groudon knocked out from full health by some random rematch trainer's Roselia. I feel like it must have been Cooltrainer Brooke's l34. I think what happened was that I missed an attack and then it hit grasswhistle and giga drained me to death before I could wake up. I remember I was genuinely distraught by it at the time. I've had an instinctive respect for them ever since.

[@davidwagner3710]

Excited for a re-ranking of medicham

[@basssittupp]

It would be pretty cool to see you do a real time speed run on Yellow Version with full RNG in the over world. I bet you could get a lower in game time than in x4 speed.

[@rc4780]

Happy Valentine's Day to all the lovers. Great run of Roselia - my favourite Grass Type. I always included it in my teams of Sapphire.

[@momoapples]

Is there a ROM I can download with the new mechanics implemented? Or is there a way I could do it myself without much programming experience? I would love to try playing Emerald this way.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I will make the patch available - there are a few tweak that need to be made first though. No ETA on when it will be ready. We're still putting fires out behind the scenes, at least stuff is rolling again.

[@fernandoguillen5996]

Drew would be proud of you Scott

[@TJF588]

Oh... Oh no, that backsprite is some cursed knowledge. I do _not_ like that Roselia is essentially wearing a gown-length _bib._

[@Juddear]

I can’t believe after all that discussion about Sunny Day and keeping it specifically for Steven and then you just… didn’t use it. Never change, Scott.