8s Freestyle Drone!

[@WavyKrezo]

never realized how great bardwell is at flying

[@painy6588]

he keeps improving

[@RCDUDEFPV]

That was not bad for Bardwell, He got a lot more in him

[@patrickfrensdorff7485]

he is learning each day do u got that time? And i preffer le dribes flying any day...

[@andreq6924]

@@patrickfrensdorff7485 no need to get hostile with him lol DO U GOT THAT TIME?!

[@vtownhood]

I've been watching Josh for like 3 years now. It's amazing how far he's come with his freestyle. Dude is a BEAST now.

[@SwainixFPV]

Feels like the missing pieces in his fence have made him really good at tight controlled power loops

[@PerceptionFPV]

Honestly bardwell‘s flying is underrated

[@TAGE_FPV]

totally, he's gotten super good. No surprise really - he practices a lot

[@Forol1561]

True i never knew how good he really is untill this video

[@PerceptionFPV]

@@Forol1561 yeah he also has a great series where he learn sbang on his channel

[@andyhoughtaling6319]

Who rated it?

[@PerceptionFPV]

@@andyhoughtaling6319 well I feel like there’s this image of him being like a coach of some sorts, someone who knows a lot about it but isn’t that good at it but after seing his sbang series it’s clear that he’s a top tier pilot himself!

[@ericaschner3283]

Also if you're never going above half throttle it's harder to notice when the battery is dying because it has no issues delivering that much power until it can't anymore.

[@murrijuana2842]

Good point

[@adamrobertson7215]

It was just odd that the punch-out was totally there 10 seconds before it died though. Although the one time I've had that issue, my 4s was DEAD DEAD and it wouldn't even come down in a controlled manner to land.

[@xBaristaPaul]

so much passion in this video, couple a guys gushing over a quad, great vid!

[@PerceptionFPV]

I have no idea why any freestyle pilot would need that much power but I like it 😂

[@Rafa-zm1xq]

15:27 ''OOOH Intentional!'' lmao love that

[@LuisMendez-ck6dv]

Bardwell's face during Bubbys crash 🤣like are we gonna ignore the crash?!

[@dariusCour-g3f]

"ouuh tree ow another tree ooh tree again" was crazy (13:20)

[@PerceptionFPV]

How much power do you want? Rotor riot: *YES*

[@Aar0n2009]

How much power. All of it.

[@jorisbonson386]

huh?

[@RobertLeclercq]

Foxeer Reaper F4 65amp 8s ESC has been AMAZING on two 10" builds I have. I can't imagine a 5" quad being able to kill it.

[@mx118racer]

This good to know as I got one to build an 8s 7" on molicel p42a . What fc u run ? I found rush blade f722 has 8s fc so have paired them two together.

[@Brian-S]

I killed my 7 in 8s reaper on 1350kv 😭 it took my matek hdte with it. The saddest part is I didn't even crash it when it decided to fry, the voltage reg died on the esc just cruising around. Was a sad sad day

[@mx118racer]

@@Brian-S oh this is basically exactly what my build will be . 1300kv on 6s is slow af . So was going try 8s . Maybe not a good idea now .

[@RobertLeclercq]

@@mx118racer #1. Tmotor F7 Pro 2. Lumin. Lux H7 Ultimate

[@austntexan]

@@mx118racer It'd cost more than the Reaper but I'd opt for individual ESCs on a high powered builds like this. It's too easy to wreck an AIO.

[@wesley4713]

haha that dive at 5:00. rad.

[@DriftaholiC]

I did smoox 1350kv on my 5" 8S build. Fetech has some 1100kv. I use a Foxeer 8s dual bec stack. Mine comes in at 613g with no gopro. The 1100mah gnb hv battery is a little better formfactor and weight.

[@FPVenius]

Are the motors/ESCs coming down cooler because of the lower current going through them? That could be a real benefit of pushing to higher voltages/cell counts: you can spin the props substantially faster without burning things up. I'm not sure what the benefit of doing _that_ would be, but there very well could be one. Maybe putting on a throttle curve that has a big jump at/toward full throttle so you keep low-mid throttle resolution but have the ability to pull out of any dive? Something to think about...

[@justinwalker8364]

bardwells anxiety/face while the quad was in the tree lol.

[@rambozo_fpv176]

One thing to consider.. higher volt can jump a wider gap in the electronics... ie, its easier to short out a tight build.

[@aidanfarley9566]

I mean yea technically yes but the difference between 4s and 8s is so negligible in terms of arc length that I honestly don't think it makes a difference

[@aidanfarley9566]

I mean even at 400v dc the arc maximum length is like 0.03mm

[@Dcscockpit]

Yes lol, but that higher voltage is not going up 8.4v 😂😂😂. It take quite a bit of voltage to jump any gap.

[@birdman316]

great rippin guys! i can totally see steele gettin into 8s haha! hekk...whats 2 more cells???? 'mo powa baybehh!!!"

[@Gabriel-qh5yv]

Bardwell's flight was awesome 🙂

[@jamescunningham541]

I often forget how intertwined jb is in the entire drone scene 😂. This was excellent btw, didn't know my 6s 5" was underpowered, until I saw this. And now I need an 8s that I never knew existed 😅

[@parker1ray]

One thing that I love about 6S is the length of flight time that I get! I have a 3" 6S drone that I fly with HV batteries and it is a blast!

[@SpaghettiFPV-tg3qh]

Holy shit 2.5" 6s... awesome.. git vids on ur channel? Ill check it

[@parker1ray]

@@SpaghettiFPV-tg3qh Sorry, early in the morning and was going by memory! It is a 3", not a 2.5" I have so many quads that I et them mixed up LOL! kzbin.info/www/bejne/r2HRh4eaga-rfaM&ab_channel=CAPTAINDRONE

[@SpaghettiFPV-tg3qh]

yea i was gonna say hahah I got an AOS 3.5 im doing into a 03 air unit 6s right now :) should be fun hahah

[@GlobalSourcing]

@@SpaghettiFPV-tg3qh hows the aos3.5? I am looking at aos 3.5 vs quadmula f3 split with those hv 6s.

[@SpaghettiFPV-tg3qh]

@@GlobalSourcing mate im still building im just waiting on a few lil things antenna etc from order. I made an aos 5" if it flies anything like that it will be gold those frames are fuckin tight they feel so locked in when u fly.

[@danssawmillservices6444]

bardwell was super good at flying that. josh thx for the video and rotor riot and other dude.

[@baggszilla]

FETtec has some 10S 5" motors and ESCs/FC they are experimenting with! That's nuts!

[@fahrvergnuugen]

The motor windings are really fine wire. You’re putting more power through the motor with higher voltage but less amperage, that’s why you can get away with higher effective kv.

[@dilbertmcfly5986]

Technically, can even do 10S, but 12S 50.4V is pushing it. More cells, more packaging weight. The MP9943 5V reg commonly used on FC supports up to 36V. Most FET used in ESC are only rated 30V. But there are 40V and 50V options. 12S would mean around 900KV which is much thinner winding with 3x the turns of 4S.

[@alexanderfpv6655]

11:19 Pull out game on point.

[@garvysgarage]

As someone who is going to build their first drone soon, this video is dangerous 🤣

[@MadRC]

Loved this episode. 8S Is super interesting.

[@erikvf7]

Hey Ian! Mad's Tech, My favorite FPV channel! Interesting it really is is, but is it needed? 🤔 I think the biggest advantage of running higher number cells like this would be the lower current, which could help reducing heat, and being more efficient. But for the increased power, at least for freestyle I think there is not much benefit. And for our pocket, well, zero benefits..

[@TheCybrKnyf]

Just stumbled across your channel - such incredible content. To someone who shoots from a DJI Mini 2, this is awe inspiring... Subscribed and liked - looking forward to more...:)

[@BooFPV]

Sounds like it's time for you to grab a pair of Dji Goggles, their RC2 remote and any dji 03 compatible quad.. I started with the DJI FPV Combo, was super great for learning how to fly after first practicing in a simulator(Step 1), putting at least 36 hours in... Now I'm practicing low level and indoor flying with a 2 inch/4s CineON C20 V2/Dji03. The Dji FPV makes you a cautious/safe pilot because if you crash that's ur ass(and some cash)! The avg cost of repair is $80-$100, no need to bother with DJi Care. Any other 2s,4s or 6s quad is practically indestructible compared to the Dji FPV, but I would have never even gotten into the hobby if it wasn't for the DJi FPV, for sure... It is probably the best introductory FPV Drone on the market... In addition to its safety features, it also has normal and sport mode so you can fly it just like your mini 2 until you master manual/acro mode.

[@MrSmithFPV]

Nice to see JB ripping this beast. Entertaining episode! And i hope this is not the start of a new hype or maybe new standard... ;-)

[@denis69ist]

So you’re not hoping for innovation

[@denis69ist]

New hype calls for new ideas new trends

[@adamrobertson7215]

​@@denis69istguessing that comment is from the cost perspective 😀

[@TBloodFPV]

HAHAHA thats what the spoiler for Bardwell LOL nice bubby!!!

[@mark6302]

got mine today I love the fire extinguisher nice touch

[@ianoconnor1515]

8S 1500kv works where 4S 3000kv doesn't, is because the low kv 8S motors have a massive torque reserve that will spin-up the prop faster

[@sandrucristian1983]

9:54 he doesn't feel the weight because he has a strong hand, because he worked a lot.thanks for the video.

[@Atlas_FPV]

I think on 6-7” 8S will be great, very high speed cruising

[@Brian-S]

I built one with some 2408 1350k test motors on an apex 7 inch. Unfortunately I only had 1300mah packs to test it out but was getting about 4 mins of balls to the wall full throttle ripping. So I'd imagine it's be stellar on a long range set up with something like a 3000mah 8s

[@iflypotato]

Bring it to Rampage! I would love to see it!

[@BrandonBeans]

Beginning of the video: We don't have OSD End of video: We over-discharged the 8s pack 😂

[@atzod]

there was a xknight 5" 4s from betafpv with 3000kv motors and it was also bonkers!

[@DronoTron]

If you want to match the kV just multiply your actual Kv by your actual S and divide it by your new S. For example 1800kv for 6s then for 8s it should be 1800x6/8= 1350KV. They're using 1500kv that's why they feel it faster

[@lemonsquareFPV]

On my smaller 3-4” 8S quads I use the HGLRC Zeus 50A PRO ESC 20X20 On my bigger 5” 8S quads I use the Foxeer Reaper F4 Mini 60A 20X20 And my 6” 8S quads use the Foxeer Reaper F4 65A 30.5mm Haven’t tried any other ESCs, gonna have to pick up the T-motor. Also obviously T-motor provided the gear… 8S FCs exist from Foxeer, Kakute, and SPRacing, that’s what I mostly use when lazy… BUT I definitely recommend external BECs for powering everything anyway. This was a great build, way over batteried but still. I run WAY lighter cells and no GoPro, but there is more than one way to do things obviously… would have been easier to tune with less weight too. Battery wise I mostly use two 4S batteries, as honestly they don’t need to be the best quality racing cells like when you are running 4S or even juicy 6S. Most my batteries are 450-650mAh the smallest is a 70 gram 300mAh 8S pack for a 3” and I generally use 1050mAh for the biggest cells. I have one 6” bi-blade chase quad that I use the Tattu V5 1200mAh cells and make my own packs, but I generally deal with Dogcom, and occasionally CODDAR and GNB. Most of my chargers are 6S max, so keeping the batteries split makes it much easier to charge large amounts of packs at once. I have been doing this for a while and have it down pretty good. If anyone needs help I can share my experience. 8S is fun and all but especially in a small space it’s very unnecessary, I just did all those builds for the LoLs, don’t get me wrong they are great, but especially on sub 5” nearly impossible to tune. Your props, motors, and the build in general needs to be perfect, definitely not for a basher, stick to 6S for bashing, that’s what I do. If you are not comfortable tuning, please don’t do this, you will likely lose your quad the first time out. Learn this first. Winding your own motors is definitely recommended or you’ll have to run a motor limit. Happy flying! And great episodes! And thank you T-motor ❤

[@nayt33z]

I'm interested to see current (Amperage) draw comparisons of 4S, 6S, 8S with equivalent RPM motors with respect to their voltage. I bet we'll see that using less current with higher voltage is the key to better efficiency and more realized gains in performance. You may also realize that with higher voltage, you can get away with using smaller gauge wire and probably less expensive electrical components (mosfets, diodes, etc.). By the way, I'm pretty sure a smaller farad, higher voltage capacitor would've given you ample filtering. A 330-450 microfarad 50V capacitor probably would've been plenty.

[@tmc-fpv]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/bWe3epSkndWFm6M

[@sleepyheadfpv1507]

My 5 inch is distill running 4s too. But I'm currently going to switch it over for a bit.

[@DeMoNSe3d]

Love this kind of videos!

[@MrBuddy7798]

8s is crazy . JB is the dude

[@malachiteofmethuselah9713]

In my humble opinion, a line has been crossed. There is a point where you have to accept that building for lightweight does not translate past a certain amount of weight and power. Much like a Lotus is no longer a Lotus once a V8 has been dropped into it, but a Bugatti can handle the weight and power of a bigger powerplant with poise and grace. Go 6" to make better use of the power.

[@harryfp1494]

A lotus is still a lotus with a v8 Your just talking 😂

[@malachiteofmethuselah9713]

@@harryfp1494 I am a canyon carver that has built several Volkswagen MKII GTI, and I can assure you that a W-8 under the hood of what used to be a 1850lb. dancer can no longer hold the same line without more meat on the tires, and better suspension.

[@p39483]

More blades can always suck the power. And when you have 20 blades and the tips go supersonic you just add a duct to keep the blades from biting off more than they can chew. The duct in a turbofan regulates flow to pitch speed to keep AoA small and alleviate wave drag (typical tip speed is 1300 fps). IMHO you could put over 100 HP into a 5 inch fan before you'd truly need to upsize the diameter.

[@MaelstromFilm]

Haha I know this exact spot and have been considering flying there a few times. Its literally 5 mins from my house. Hope I see y'all out there sometime.

[@mfrfpv9079]

Build it and he will come!

[@GatAppTechnologies]

What monitor are you using to watch the footage? Looking for an external monitor for my fatshark dominator HD.

[@the_darkside_fpv]

8s is sick I want to build one myself. Killer edit guys!!

[@jeffhudson1744]

I can only say, man, that's wild. you all can fly!

[@ocelee7794]

Been waiting for this day to come

[@chuck6354]

Always wanted one of these for my videography work

[@gogondronemania]

great group of people👍

[@subsonikfreq]

I need this in my life.

[@hazzahfpv6675]

If I'd build an 8S I would probably use the T-Motor F66A Mini 3-8S in combination with one of their 8S FCs or the Foxeer line, like their 8S Reaper ESCs with their Foxeer H7 Mini that can also take straight 8S. Only thing holding me back is cost to be honest.

[@QuandarNl]

What motors would you use? I'm making a build, I got the esc + fc from foxeer (8s), aos 5 frame, I just can't find the right motor.

[@KingFPV]

Tuned nicely & sounds pretty zooty. Drops in like a damn cinderblock.

[@JacksonDanner-l7w]

I think this would definitely benefit from similar settings for throttle on Joshua Bardwell's video on tiny whoops and the type of non-linear throttle control when used in "tiny spaces" for mini-whoops. Because, as we can see this drone is clearly running out of space though, you could still have the mega punch on throttle that this drone so desperately has over the rest! But, it would have a much better consistency to a 6s and even a 4s on linear throttle control for more precise movements.

[@adamcfpv5372]

Bardwell was shredding that pack

[@controlledpress]

"I really wish i could open it up somewhere"... Did you forget that you can go above the trees?

[@TheDroneKingV]

Your full set up video plz also come to the UK for a link up 😅

[@brianfreland9065]

I bet you 8s is exactly what The TANQ build needs with its extra weight! That's a perfect 8s frame!

[@Maxhotgo]

you could try to bind full throttle to momentary switch, would be interesting on this kwad :D

[@michaelpivola3rd195]

Beautiful flights!

[@charleselliott3109]

Please mass produce these as custom builds.

[@ToxicSocietyTroll]

This is same idea we did with hydros pumps on cars running 48V or more to a 12V motor...spins much faster and only uses with short cycles.

[@rickm1283]

You guys are FPV Pioneers! Thanks for all the crazyness.

[@wodifpv644]

Some of my 6s ultra light 5" I change the throttle resolution to like 70% or 60% so I get more stick movement

[@pigeondoodles]

c418 music???? hell yeah, good taste!

[@levischoonover]

YES love it

[@MountaineerFPV]

How much for an 8s Tanq? Asking for ✌️ friends! 👍👍🇺🇸

[@HLK_Prod]

Look it up online

[@dabberxfpv1613]

I love that the young kid comes in and out flys them all 💪

[@kanalunuifpv6395]

I had these motors on my five33 switch back pro.

[@Giano12345678]

This is so cool! ❤

[@ChainsawFPV]

This going to be like when everyone switched from 4s to 6s, but now its going to be from 6s to 8s.

[@BeyeaMan]

Nurk built an 8s awhile ago with two 4s batteries.

[@CoreyFPV]

To the moon that monster. Good watch though and some good flying kids😂

[@billyknippers6983]

i just put a weird quad together its a 7 inch frame with 5 inch motors and 7 inch props .... motors come down cold and it is fast and quite ...

[@modocfpv6305]

What was the lipo size? Foxeer has 8S ESC and FCs btw. Fettec a nice new ESC.

[@robjackson2731]

it would be interesting to see if you could expo the mostly unusable throttle into just the upper 15% would need some two stage expo to have a usable powerband though.

[@arnerrvik7586]

Thanks a bunch🙂

[@gidi1899]

It's really cool you guys are experimenting :) In my view, as a watching fan, tracking skill moves of a drone is difficult - like watching a fly in your room. Of course for the pilot it's much more fun. - You did all sort of cool staff like attaching ribbons.... So, Here is an Idea I hope you'll like: Race drones that carry a basket!! (earn string mechanics skills, and give a good show) As drones are already being use as ferries to deliver... and they fly like a mythological fairy. Make a ferry-fairy basket delivery race. Just don't put a baby in the basket ;)

[@Gracana]

Why not use higher voltage batteries with less current? 8S batteries don't necessarily need to be big, and you can get the same power with less heating. Could make for smaller electronics, like Bubby noticed with the 20mm ESC.

[@LowetheTechGuy]

Just run a pack which has 16 thinner cells instead of 8 at whatever size these are. So you have an, (8 series 2 parallel, 8s2p) pack. Then you have redundancy built in. I had a 2s2p pack for my onroad carpet touring car a couple of years ago. Still was 5000mah but with 4 cells instead of 2 and it was still just 8.4 volts.

[@RCRitterFPV]

8s batteries are a pia… and no Hota support.. but the power supply must feel awesome. Should consider battery weight. Does a 2000 mah 4s have a much lower real C rating than a 1000mah 4s? Seems like kv has a ton to do with this along with big battery

[@jeremiahmalcolm8596]

I don't fly yet I do in simulation and my question is why noy use lit-ion instead of polymer? You could just replace the cell thats bad they get higher mah and they are cheaper.

[@Black-ice_fpv]

ITS A BEAST ! 🦁🦁🦁🦁🦁🦁🦁🦁

[@vernelfpv]

i like how bardwell flew

[@davdaya]

shawn.. built one wit 7".. tis would be a blast.. ✌️😆

[@Pintosonic]

You should compare the 6S and 8S quads each with a lipo that weight the same. Like a 1300mah 6S vs a 1000mah 8S. This would be a better comparison.

[@ExplorewithZac]

So basically 5S is perfect and freestyle pilots will rarely use more than what 5S can provide. That's what I got from this video and I totally agree.

[@arniebmx]

Maybe for guys like bubby that fly slow as hell at 10 degree angle.

[@RynoRotorSports]

great ep! 8s looks fun lol

[@miked2783]

Love it guys

[@allanfolkes6019]

Bobby do a nurk basically lol sweet😊

[@BubbyFPV]

Nurks 12s kwad was a 7 inch drone. This is a normal 5 inch freestyle kwad in 8s lol

[@AlexLebed]

amazing video as always. Maybe I missed that part on video, what camera this drone uses? Because there was so much news about Avatar V2 system - would be interesting to see more reviews and footage with it.

[@DexterGoneWild]

Is the avatar DVR all that bad that you guys had to slap on the gopro? I wanna see that thing without the added weight!

[@solen1849]

josh doesn't know what to do with himself when he isn't talking 100% of the time haha. Only kidding josh - I love your content and what you do for FPV

[@dronebirdun]

I don't know if it's because of the voltage, or if you need to raise the rates awesome video!

[@christiancolon147]

This video content format is identical to Keiichi Tsuchiya's Gunsai Battle series and I love it.

[@PixelSeekingPhotography]

what is the spoiler looking thing on the back where the antenna is? Is that an antenna style, just for looks, or is it like an air brake? Sorry if this is a dumb question. I'm new to this.

[@woodyfpv5331]

More windings=greater heat dissipation?

[@stone_fpv2599]

We need this place in liftoff 😍

[@JDDupuy]

Great video! Enjoyed the content...............