Speedsters DON'T Lose to Bad Writing?? - Youtube Comments Try to Defend Bad Speedster Writing

[@hawkey21]

metro man is the perfect example of a well written speedster and op character, he was literally untouchable and he only "lost" because he wanted to lose.

[@RSG200]

Dude I love megamind so much. Genuinely one of my favorite super hero movies ever

[@etetgg1364]

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[@LivingLikeLarry12]

@@RSG200I want to live in the universe where Megamind (besides it’s impact on meme/internet culture) and Despicable Me’s success is switched. The MMCU would go hard

[@abhijeetgolder7535]

​@@RSG200bro a thing no matter what you call bad writing or good writing it happening to same guy in same continuity so ya those are also ways to DEFEAT them. And for omni man part I think it's reaction speed . Rather than actual speed . Reaction speed can be better than actual speed in many cases . As for apoklips one. First quicksilver punches are not damaging him much . He after getting punches many times predicted trajectory cause you do realise Speedster run in straight line mostly and quicksilver was cocky at that time.

[@whyisdumnadotaken]

​@@abhijeetgolder7535just because he has fast reaction time, the show clearly says that he was assigned earth. NO OTHER PLANET. He has been living in Viltrumite until he went to earth, there was no proof of Invincible or Omni Man to have super speed. Plus if he did have reaction time he wouldve killed him faster than getting hit 3 times, even in the video it has so much proof that he does not have fast reaction time here is no other (seen) speedsters in the 2 planets. You could argue that the planets they have conquered has speedsters, but judging by Omni Man's simple explanation to Invincible, I dont think there is any people in those planets that ARENT viltrumites.

[@user-lg5xu6id5j]

I think speedsters failing work if their flaws are shown beforehand (a trains health issues, newer flash being clumsy or overconfident, the speed either being on a time limit or not overwhelmingly fast ect) great video!

[@RSG200]

Yeah in my original video I gave a train a pass. I actually think the health issues were compelling and interesting. And the zack snyder flash I think i also gave a pass. He does make some really dumb decisions but so do a bunch of other super heroes throughout most super hero movies. I didn't like that he got shot in the last scene tho. But yeah thanks for the support i love you

[@amiablereaper]

​@@RSG200yeah I like that we see Superman begin to react to flash before he actually starts fighting him so it's not just bullshit "haha I predicted you" Worm (webnovel) has speedsters but they all have to phase out of reality or otherwise lose the ability to interact in exchange for their speed, and have to slow down in order to do anything, which really helps keep them from taking over the narrative

[@KainYusanagi]

@@amiablereaper Damn, a random Worm reader in the wild; never thought I'd see another, especially so far in the future after it finished so unsatisfyingly (that timeskip was so poorly done, I still say).

[@amiablereaper]

@@KainYusanagi I dropped off of Ward, the sequel series, at around arc 8 or 9. Do you mean the timeskip after khonsu first appears? Eh, I have issues with worm but not with that. Which ending was unsatisfying? Worm or Ward? I honestly really like how Worm ended. I couldn't tell you how ward ended tho lmao

[@KainYusanagi]

@@amiablereaper Talking about Worm. The timeskip was between Scarab 25.5 and Scarab 25.6, two years just poof and suddenly everyone is completely different, the story is basically an entirely different one, and a lot of BS that references what happened during the timeskip *THAT WE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO READ ABOUT* happens, too. That's what really irks me about the timeskip- it was an actually vital and interesting time of character development and knowledge about the world, but we weren't allowed to read about it, only see the many references to it as if digs against us readers. And considering that at the time I knew Wildbow and was friends with him, gaming and chatting with him frequently at the time, I feel rather confident in saying that it was spite, too, though it wasn't just spite that motivated it, of course (burnout was hitting him hard at the time, and he wanted to just get it over and done with, as I recall). It really soured my whole experience with Worm and I never even got into reading Ward because of it.

[@zachhecita]

I think you can have your "time in a bottle" moments, but two prerequisites are necessary to ensure consistency. First, super speed should only be an active ability that requires concentration and energy. Second, achieving the speed that slows down time or even reverses time should be at the upper limits of superspeed, requiring even more concentration and energy.

[@johngr1747]

Damn! Never thought of it this way! I knew that superhuman characters don't always have to go all out but this is a nice way of presenting the super power!

[@luisgay5897]

That works but then it brings up a whole new issue, the energy. Is it stamina based? If yes then they should never tire outside of those extremes. If it's based on some outside energy they interact with then what is stopping them from just using it all the time? All problems that can be worked into a story reasonably but if these writers can't even understand basic superspeed then I doubt they can deal with the superspeed tied to complex energy systems.

[@D--O]

​@@luisgay5897 I imagine it like a sprint vs a marathon, the sprint is so much shorter and very taxing immediately, but a marathon, sure you tire out too, but you go at a pace that you can handle for a long time

[@NasirAli_1]

@@johngr1747one of my favorite unique depictions of super speed is actually from an anime called Charlotte, in which one of the main characters has super speed, but his perception doesn’t increase at all. This leads to him literally running through walls and getting hurt on accident because he doesn’t know when to stop exactly.

[@thatjuicyboi8516]

​@@NasirAli_1oh yeah I know that anime! His power is actually 'teleportation' but it's really just super speed lmao

[@idontknowwhatmynameis8525]

Damn….you know I’m starting understand why writers downplay speedstars it would be pretty hard trying to remember how fast your character has to be and try not to make your speedsters TO op

[@gamerdomain6618]

They're already too OP when they can ignore inertia and wind resistance. Being able to cut through the air at mach 1.46 means you can absolutely rip through an armoured truck at 200 km/h unscathed. You can not only already instantly kill everything, but it would be more difficult to not since you would have to carefully regulate your speed as to not contort your enemies too suddenly and make them into paste.

[@themanimal369]

Well a lot of speedster are like faster than light which would require infinite energy and the force from them hit air molecules would evaporate the planet

[@gamerdomain6618]

​@@themanimal369 Even speedsters that can be reasonably measured in mach like described above would not be functional within dense city limits because the sonic discharge from thier running would do so much property damage. A-Train is already suspension of disbelief that he is not ruining every window and tripping every car alarm within two blocks as he runs.

[@Islamphobe]

@@gamerdomain6618writs could just make the argument their alternate universe has slightly different physics to ours (of course they’d have to display that) I mean we already know biology is different among alternate universe’s considering superman seems to confirm people from alternate universe’s have their organs switched around.

[@A.DEN0]

Being speedster is like time stop on steroids, you simply cant not make it op, this is why Flash fights either other speedsters or someone 10× smarter than him, like Cold(Cold is basically redneck tony stark)

[@tonyboy_c3120]

4:53 Even if he has faster reaction time, it doesn’t matter if he lacks the speed to match it

[@dfredankey]

Exactly he’d just perceive himself getting punched and wouldn’t be able to do anything about it since he doesn’t have the speed to match

[@no.1spidey-fan182]

Thats not how agility works. Agility and speed are two DIFFERENT things😭🤦‍♂️. Speed is how fast you can move from point A to B. Agility is the ability to change directions and accelerate and decelerate when needed. A footballer or basketball would have better agility than a Sprinter...and it just MAKES SENSE why they would💀. ANY Pro MMA fighter would have better agility than a sprinter So Omniman doesnt have the Speed to match but he has the AGILITY to🤷‍♂️. Idky basic superhero powers have to be explained. Any acrobatic Hero/Villain you can think of have been doing these things for decades😭. Dodging Bullets, Dodging Lightning...yet they CANNOT RUN at those speeds. So just cause Red Rush can run fast...it doesnt mean his Agility is the best in the series since they are DIFFERENT skillsets😂

[@Midnightfr]

⁠@@no.1spidey-fan182oh hey you’re that one guy that he flamed 💀

[@no.1spidey-fan182]

@@Midnightfr he barely formed a coherent sentence. Not my fault he doesnt understand the difference between agility and speed and is butthurt that red rush got caught💀

[@saucevc8353]

@@no.1spidey-fan182 A bullet isn’t smart enough to change course midair. When heroes dodge bullets, what they really do is see where the guy is aiming and get out of the way BEFORE they fire. But if Omni Man saw where Red Rush was aiming at him and prepared to block, Red Rush would just notice where he blocked and attack somewhere else

[@tminusboom2140]

I love how Wakfu implemented super speed into Nox. He can literally just manipulate time, for himself and his surroundings- including his opponents, though some are able to resist the latter such as the dragon. It also has a finite resource to draw from which he is fighting in order to steal, so he has a motivation to not waste a ton of it in combat just to ensure instant victory against most opponents.

[@dezman311]

Didn’t expect to see a wakfu enjoyer in a vid on speedsters lol

[@varunramakrishnan7676]

I didn't expect to see @@dezman311

[@shieldmaiden101]

@@dezman311I havent heard anyone Else mention Wakfu in years.

[@NonsenseFabricator]

You're absolutely right. Every "Time in a Bottle" scene is basically a time-stop power. If they made it an actual time-stop, it'd solve so many problems. (For starters, why gravity speeds up...) When they show Superman suddenly able to match the Flash, they're essentially trying to show him resisting a time-stop, the same way the dragon does in Wakfu. But it all falls apart because he's actually supposed to be moving that fast, and he obviously can't.

[@PixelHeroViish]

Wakfu mentioned 🎉

[@6rade]

Speedsters shouldn’t lose at any point of time, but when you have speed equipped in your arsenal, you have some type of chance to counter and have those abilities in some sort of way.

[@teshayweatherspoon9704]

I think speedsters should be able lose based on their personality. And you don't have to be a speedster to beat a speedster. Alot of speedsters are cocky and tend to heavily underestimate their opponent. Which the opponent can use to bait them when they are lax and confident. Maybe you can't move fast but you can react fast and your power is fast, with that you can get a speedster. Knowing that their opponents lack super-speed, speedsters might overestimate their abilities and become overconfident. This can lead to lapses in judgment and strategy, allowing their opponents to capitalize on their mistakes. Many characters who lack super-speed can possess powers or gadgets designed specifically to counter fast-moving opponents. This could include traps, energy-based weapons, or even telekinesis to immobilize the speedster. Utilizing super-speed consumes an enormous amount of energy. Characters with this power can't maintain it indefinitely. They may tire quickly, leaving them vulnerable to opponents who can outlast them in a battle. If an opponent can survive the initial onslaught and wear down the speedster, victory becomes more attainable. There are a bunch of ways speedsters can lose. Some just aren't as believable because the writers don't show the speedster full weaknesses and strengths.

[@achimdemus-holzhaeuser1233]

@@teshayweatherspoon9704 I concur to your arguement. An Important enemy of the speedster is Momentum. CW expressed this sometime but did nothing with it. Even if you can run fast you still have to aim or change directions, which takes time and ability. By the look of it, most speedsters can't actually fight.

[@raphaeltw]

@@achimdemus-holzhaeuser1233 neither time nor ability will ever be a problem... just replace the ideia of a speedster for someone with the power to freeze time, and you understand it better. you wouldn't need to "run" in order to fight, just slowly walk toward your opponent in your super speed mode and do whatever you want.

[@alexharris6808]

@@raphaeltw For most, I would agree, but this isn't true to all speedsters. As you said, replacing the idea of a speedster with the power to freeze time is a good way of explaining it, but only if that is how the character's power is portrayed. For the majority of speedsters, this is how they are portrayed, so this statement works for most speedsters, but you said "ever" and this statement doesn't work as an absolute. Dash, for example, is basically shown to NOT have super reactions. Yes, his sense of where he is in relation to himself seems to match his speed, but his outwards senses don't have that, as shown by him running into the swarm of bugs during the "100 mile dash". Basically, if speedster's power is literally "Can move fast" and basically nothing else, comparing it to time stopping isn't accurate.

[@raphaeltw]

@@alexharris6808 The body it's not something that exists separate from the mind, and vice versa, you can't have a super fast body without having a super fast mind, cause a super fast body would not even MOVE super fast without a super fast mind, or worse lol, it would just move in normal speed since it would just get the normal synapses it gets from the normal brain.

[@imblackmagic1209]

if you move faster than even mach 1, you gotta have super durability, super senses, super reaction, and probably a power to control air (most scenes don't show a wake of destruction or flaming air as a speedster passes through) and yes, Dash is probably one of the most well written characters that have "super" speed (although he's pretty slow tbf)

[@foxymetroid]

He's only slow compared to speedsters who shouldn't be losing (at least) half their lost fights. Compared to most superheroes, especially in his universe, he's pretty fast.

[@Time_Lantern_Gameplay]

He's a 9 year old of course he would be slow. If he reaches adulthood prime he should surpass Mach 100 easily. I hope we get to see it

[@NashTheInsomniac]

not if it works differently in their universe and they have that difference stay consistent throughout the medias lifespan.

[@kanucks9]

​@@Time_Lantern_Gameplay the hell are you talking about? An 8 year old can run a hundred meter dash in less than 30 seconds. World class speed is 10. Disregard the acceleration time, he could maybe go 4x faster as an adult, top speed. Why would puberty make you run 200x faster?

[@Time_Lantern_Gameplay]

@@kanucks9 its fiction bro Don't apply logic in it. Wally starting out was above mach 1 when he was a kid but now he has irrelevant speeds though he uses speedforce. My point is that I want to see he reach hypersonic speeds

[@milliondollarmistake]

The biggest problems seem to be "style vs function" where stylistic interpretations are preferred over the actual way the power functions. Red Rush stopping after every punch is probably a stylistic decision for the audience and not representative of his actual movements for example.

[@zyad48]

Admittedly I haven't seen Invincible myself so I don't know if this is true, but going by what clips were in the videos, I imagine it's a matter of "Limited animation" where to save money they animate less frames, and use different stylistic things to try and mask it, in the case of punches, usually waiting a few extra frames on a connected hit to emphasize power. Realistically though, and this is just my opinion, if you're gonna do a show about a speedster it might be better to go the extra mile for animating special sequences, or in the case of Red Rush vs Omniman, maybe show that RR is just booping him quickly and dodging out of the way, deliberately _not_ holding on frames where his punches connect to emphasize that "Yeah, he's hitting him, but it ain't doing much"

[@NashTheInsomniac]

i always felt like the stopping was Omni-Man focusing his reaction time on the punches to help anticipate the grab. like using the same sense that helps him react when flying super fast. but i could definitely be wrong! idk when you see his eyes shifting as red rush keeps punching him, it definitely feels like he’s focusing harder than before and trying to think of the fastest way to stop him.

[@RSG200]

Guys there were way more good comments than bad comments. So I wanna give you guys all awards for having logic. Thanks

[@SomeOfMyBusiness]

Yo! Appreciate your video, how do I get in touch with you? I'm working on a comic book about different types of Speedsters vs each other with something like organic mutants vs science lab metas using tech to create fields that allow them to create a "time bubble" that slows their environment that negates a speedsters powers. Beside absorbing or depowering a Speedster I'm trying to figure out how other supes can genuinely can put up a fight against FOX X-Men Quicksilver when he isn't being tripped...because speed react, like any task demands attention and you can be playing a sport and not see the ball coming right at you because you're still in the middle of another demanding task and...not concentrating? And even when a Speedster trips doesn't that turn them into a ball of flame like projectile? Not that they die or get seriously injured coz they have to get up but how much damage would that mistep cause? Think A-Train but in a crowe full of people. So basically the speedster in my story is on the run for making a mistake that kills TONS of people and now like the original Hulk is on the "run" from different Supers with their own reasons like Superman (Justice) + Homelander (Corporates want his DNA) + Reverse Flash (Revenge) + Flash Family (bring him back home coz people who can access the Speed Force are like Wonder Woman's people, hidden from the world of man) + Magneto (to recruit or kill). Thus far my version of Magneto is the only solid non speedster or Superman Iike I can see "easily" defeating other speedsters using magnetic fields. Absolutely NO TIME TRAVEL because no. If I could run a couple of ideas by you it would be much appreciated.

[@RSG200]

@@SomeOfMyBusiness Sorry for seeing this so late. Sure I'll help. Very cool that you're making a comic book. Let me know and I'll help in any way I can.

[@EggFighterXB-]

​@@RSG200You didn't mention Sonic in your video... He's the only speedster to have his own movies

[@EliteMicah]

@@EggFighterXB- Forgetting "The Flash"... Literally a movie named and made after a speedster...

[@EggFighterXB-]

@@EliteMicah That's a Batman and Supergirl movie. There's like 3 Batman in the pic

I also thinks its bad writing when they show a speedster playing a video game or using a computer faster than what it is capable of.

[@vinceb.8363]

I actually really liked the speedster in mha vigilantes, instead of just giving him an endless 300 mh sprint just give him like 1 second of god mode that needs to recharge, and i think they did great things with that.

[@tekiyuyami6406]

While I agree on the fact that Red Rush was being stupid during the fight with Omni-Man, at least he lost to the most powerful man on the planet, instead a dufus with a gun. Two wins out of three isn't bad. Yeah he's dead now, but he lost to Omni-Man as opposed to some random mugger.

[@Levyafan]

One thing to note about Red Rush is that he was, by all means, holding back. The rest of the Guardians were confused about why would Omni Man attack them, even theorising he was controlled, and he was a friend to them still - meaning they were at very least trying to pull their punches somewhat. Until Red Rush got caught lacking, that is. But why was he caught lacking? Why, it's because he was pulling punches! You can notice, during the fight, that he slows down a little every time he punches, and I think it's because punching somebody at full speed would fuck them up enough that he's just anxious about doing it - Omni Man IS a friend to him, after all, even if he's acting weird and dangerous and obviously needs to be stopped. Stopped, but not killed - and, therefore, Red Rush pulls his punches. That, or it perhaps would actually hurt his hands to do so? Regardless, he slows down his punches to only punch at a fraction of his speed and only starts going all out while being crushed alive, but at that point his speed is no longer relevant, aside from his punches being strong enough to make Omni man cough up blood. Which is, uh, no small feat (that's internal organ rupture we're talking about here), especially against somebody as durable as Omni Man.

[@tekiyuyami6406]

@@Levyafan I think it would be a problem of breaking his hands as was shown by his practically bloody stubs wailing on Omni-Man. Still, at least it was Omni-Man who killed him instead of a dufus with a gun.

[@dryames4319]

Good point

[@thepigeonmilk2954]

​@@LevyafanI mean when he begins to get his head crushed he clearly stops holding back and punches omniman enough to tear through his costume, bruise him, and make him start pushing blood out of his face

[@helloneighbour2408]

@@Levyafan that doesn't matter

[@Maschinengoth]

People very likely assumed that Omni Man moves at the speed of light, because he travels to other planets like we travel to the corner store

[@im_nothing_like_yall_2]

my problem with red rush is why was he fighting in the first place??? He’s suppose to protect his team, and when he died so did his whole team

[@misterboxhead3045]

He was feeling invicible

[@Yooojayy]

@@misterboxhead3045hehehe nice

[@BigBussinBiscuits]

Omni man having 10k years to adapt to a speedster punch is like a human practicing 10k years to adapt to bullets.

[@silver______]

7:15 Superman Also didn’t know what Kryptonite is, He probably saw the Gas but thought it was some Random Bs that wouldn’t work on him I’d like to add that Omni man does have Super speed so his Feats are More Believable. He Perceives Invincible in Slow Motion, Can fly to Orbit in 3 second and Evade Homing missiles

[@SomeOfMyBusiness]

Agreed, I don't recall Superman knowing what Kryptonite was BUT if Omniman has super speed on the fly none of his others fights make sense unless coz he could super speed kill everyone especially those Robots.

[@NashTheInsomniac]

@@SomeOfMyBusinessyeah but the robots suffer the same issue as quicksliver dying in the X-men it just doesn’t make sense that those robots could even touch him. just bad writing for the scene imo.

[@TrueUnderDawgGaming]

Does Quicksilver spin and make a tornado in the movies? Just asking because that was his go-to in the cartoons lol

[@skf458]

Make more mortal Kombat

[@Doruk920]

I dont think he does

[@DebateSparta]

Not what I've seen so far no

[@ToeTips]

Question, can't a speedster just react to the stimuli of something like a fist or a bullet touching him and just grab the bullet or get out of the way? Like how the flash did in that one CW episode? Wouldn't that just make them even more broken?

[@achimdemus-holzhaeuser1233]

No thats BS. There is always Momentum. You can't just stop and reverse direction, less so, the faster you go. 90 degree turns should be impossible for a speedster. If you react to stimuli, the stimulus allready touched you, even with superspeed you can't reverse this, you could slap it like a fly or something, but taking it of the skin is stupid. I think running into something, even a bullet is worse for a speedster than anybody else because of the added momentum. In comparison it's like you did not drive a car in the wall, you actually flew a jet in the wall. And I think flying a Fighter Jet or Rocket is the best comparison to a speedster. Every Movement has to planned in advance and every deviation can be fatal.

[@ToeTips]

@@achimdemus-holzhaeuser1233 Yeah but to most speedsters momentum is non existent. How many times have you seen speedsters take 45° corners without slowing down? Also when in bullet time, a speedster's sight is adapted to match him, the exact reason that he can see stuff in slow motion. Why should the other senses be any different? Like try poking yourself, but do it very slowly, now imagine that is a bullet, your telling me quicksilver would not be able to save himself? And then you could say: "Well he's not in bullet time" but by the time the hot air from the bullet touches him he will be. All this to say, a flash like speedster should not be killable.

[@Remington53]

Kenpatchi Zaraki does this in Bleach once. A character has an ability that nullifies Kenpatchi's sense of sight, hearing, etc. , but he's still able to attack by reacting at the moment that he's hit himself.

[@Ka_chi1]

​@@Remington53and in hxh when killua was able to grab an invisible projectile the moment it came into contact with him.

[@Time_Lantern_Gameplay]

​@@achimdemus-holzhaeuser1233actually flash did that in comics and show. He sensed a poke to his neck and because of his reaction speeds he turned and grabbed the sniper bullet in comics. And in show he grabbed the bullet by turning around. You have to understand speedforce, it defies physics and logic. Simply put speedforce is a more explainable cosmic force compared to magic.

[@joshuaturner4602]

To be honest, I think that Red Rush Made a mistake, his most valuable asset in the fight vs omniman is that he was fast enough to protect the other heroes, something no one else can do. Let the super strong guy handle the punching, All the speedster had to do was make sure that omniman was in punching distance when the strong guy was ready to connect, and make sure his teammates were outside of punching distance when omniman was ready to connect. Had Red Rush focused on playing Defense, (and the rest of the heroes co-ordinated better) there is a possibility they could have beaten omniman

[@SylvianTurner]

Even if he had not he realistically should have won

[@breaderikthegreat3224]

The last comment had me laugh out loud Not even the biggest MCU Quicksilver fan would say that. This guy is 100% satire

[@dr0g_Oakblood]

7:35 - to be fair, that’s pre-Mother Box Amp Superman vs Post Mother Box Amp Superman, because apparently he got a substantial power boost from the resurrection that they didn’t clearly communicate to us, which is fun. You can compare the footage from BVS where he is at least somewhat relative to Wonder Woman against Doom-Zod, but after resurrection he is clowning on Steppenwolf who was (at worst) easily matching Wonder Woman.

[@atothetaco]

I think a "Time in a bottle scene" could work without making the character extremely broken if it was handle like in Avengers Age of Ultron when they're all fighting in the cargo ship (I think that's what is was) right before the hammer scene, while everything does seem slow and the speedster is moving at what seems a regular speed to us the viewer all of their decisions still seem extremely rushed like if we were watching a bullet travel in slow motion

[@mayankbhaisora2699]

For those who still don’t understand he is not talking about why some one is faster or slower he is just talking about the inconsistencies in writing a speedster. One moment a speedster is able to slow down time to almost halt and other times they get beaten by slower characters. Yes you can say that Omni Man or Apoclypse also have fast reflexes but then they also loose to bad writing because they find it difficult to deal with slower enemies.. like Omni man was able to react to red rush means he has faster or same reaction time as red rush but he finds it difficult to use that reaction time against normal enemies.

[@1001011011010]

Omni man beats literally everything on earth though? Every time he's portrayed as struggling in some way it is against super powered people/tech that could also have some level of super speed

[@MylesKillis]

@@1001011011010they don’t have the same level of super speed. This is addressed in another video

[@Hjh826]

I think I have a sound argument here. 11:31 maybe the reason he has the stop for a millisecond is because thats how long it takes for him to reverse his momentum. Go for run and see how quickly you can 180 into running the other way. And the faster you're running the longer it will take you to reverse your momentum. Yes he's fast but physics still apply to him.

[@TBMdylxxhch]

AIN'T NO Way SOMEONE SAID MCU QUICKSILVER IS FASTER THAN FOX💀💀💀💀💀

[@fymale]

yeah, faster at dying.

[@StrikerEureka13]

Yeah, Fox Quicksilver literally goes thousands of times faster than the speed of sound, MCU quicksilver can maybe hit mach 5. That is clear even just by watching their movies

[@Amogus-i6i]

Yeah? And? He is

[@bestpiss]

Omni man does use super speed in the show though. He used super speed to go to the dinner table in episode 1, Mark used super speed in episode 2 to hug Nolan, and Omni man used speed react in episode 8 in the subway I think

[@davidosorio869]

so why dont use super speed to important things like dont being hit?

[@bestpiss]

@@davidosorio869 bad writing

[@NanoMp40]

​@@davidosorio869idk, werent the original idea from the video to talk about speedsters getting nerf by the script?

[@arthurdurham]

​@@davidosorio869I don't think Omni Man cared about being hit, not only is he that strong and invulnerable but it's also an intimidation thing. He seems ok tanking a hit to win or prove a point.

[@davidosorio869]

@@arthurdurham ah yes we clearly saw him intimidating and proving a point to the kaiju tentacle monster he had so much trouble to beat

[@haxney]

A wise man once said "a speedster without superhuman durability is just a person who can explode all of their limbs at will."

[@FlakeRabbit]

one of the best speedsters (in terms of not getting defeated by bad writing) is probably david from edgerunners, his rules are explained pretty well and its shown how OP his ability is and stays OP until smasher is also revealed to have a sandy.

[@Maschinengoth]

David got defeated by the power of nepotism: He had to use a stolen implant, Smasher just got outfitted with the current version by the company that produces it. For free probably.

[@dragonace119]

@@Maschinengoth SInce Arasaka put a kill switch in Adam I wouldn't be surpised if they just gave him every top of the line cybernetic like how his Sandy was much much better than David's.

[@FlakeRabbit]

@@Maschinengoth i dont think david had a worse sandy, they both looked to slow down time to a simmilar speed, but yes i very much agree smasher won due to his connections and better access to tech

[@michaelkhiev2070]

@@FlakeRabbit yeah I assumed their sandys were identical as their speed was very much the same but Adam could use it like 10x more than David and his body had another 100 upgrades more than david so the fight was never gonna be close.

[@zyad48]

@@michaelkhiev2070 Perks of being like 95% machine lol

[@MumboJ]

7:47 I read this as "a train" as in a literal train and was very confused by this whole conversation.

[@Romashka_Sov]

12:39 man that's why I don't like powerscaling community. They always use "if you can avoid light beam than you are FtL speed" argument. You know, you can avoid a gunshot, but that does not mean you are faster than bullet, right?

[@godversesans5152]

It depends on the context really. Like a video from a power scaler said you can dodge stuff if its obvious like a gun by reositioning yourself to get out of the way before it was fired. Which also implies to laseres which does not mean you scale to those speeds but if youre in the way of a laser and it was aready coming at you and dodge it than you are faster than light unless the laser wasnt actually light speed its all about context

[@godversesans5152]

And it also matters how far away you were to determine your speed

[@Romashka_Sov]

@@godversesans5152 no dude, it's about artistic expression. If a writer wants to make more tense moment, they will draw a character avoiding death in the last possible moment. Almost no one writes a story with power scalers in mind

[@godversesans5152]

@Romashka_Sov maybe not, but they still make lemits on what the character can actually survive and do, which is kinda the thing when fights happen. you wouldn't see a non speedster barley dodging a speedsters attack just for dramatic affect. And if power scalers see something that is shown not to be consistent and is disproving by other scenes, then they would disregard it as its not something the character can actually do and was just plot armor or just bad writing. BTW, making lemits on what a character can do is power scaling.

[@godversesans5152]

@@Romashka_Sov you also used authors intent fallacy

[@saucevc8353]

One realistic weakness to give speedsters might be relativity. According to General relativity, the faster you are moving the faster you perceive the rest of the universe moving. So if a speedster moves too fast then their perception can’t keep up with their speed and they’d be vulnerable to running into obstacles. This would force speedsters to keep their speed in check or risk death.

[@killianobrien2007]

I would love to see a speedster actually have to account for this

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

tfw flash ignores physics because le speed force

[@uns33nbois81]

@@killianobrien2007 A-Train in The Boys did run into Hughie's GF at the start so theres that

[@wyldcard17g]

Calorie management should be a huge weakness for them

[@Shaggy87781]

@@uns33nbois81 but then later is show to perceive the world in slow motion so they kinda goofed there. the one justification I hear is he was on drugs then, which may be possible

[@adoyo]

Hey I love the audacity you have of roasting tf out of the people who disagree because they're wrong you're so fearless lmao dude is a menace

[@emanul4773]

I dont know what happened to the world but its like the whole worlds forgotten that Superman has x-ray vision. He should've been able to see that batman shot something hollow at him and avoid it.

[@christianrapper]

He still doesn’t know what kryptonite is. If he saw it, it still wouldn’t matter. He didn’t know that it would hurt him.

[@Iianator]

Omni man flew from a mountain to space in seconds, he definitely has enough speed to react to red rush

[@Iianator]

And the finale of the boys diabolical is canon, the others like babies day out or the poop manipulator aren't

[@spacekid6270]

U dont understand the concept of a speedster lol

[@Iianator]

@@spacekid6270 If omni man can fly that fast and not just be flying blindly it's safe to say he can react that fast or atleast comprehend at that speed

[@stupidgey3949]

​@@Iianatoryet he gets hit by non speedsters across the show, you cant have your cake and eat it too

[@Iianator]

@@stupidgey3949 or maybe it's possible that, idk, soldier boy, Maeve and butcher are all comparable in speed and reaction time to homelander and the shows small budget and poor choreography can't simulate that so it's merely implied?

[@RealSkyzGameplay]

In summary: when writers contradict their writing, not providing reasons for why certain things happen and how they happen, it results in bad writing.

[@pisaschitt787]

Bad writing is not just a speedster character's true enemy, its consistency. Writers will write shit like "he can react at 0.0383937 octillion seconds blah blah" but then gets beaten by opponents that's literally hundred times slower than what they've mentioned the reaction time of their speedster was

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

Power levels are just the limit of things that are possible in the fictional world, if they dont stick to their story they might as well not exist 😐🙌

[@certyguy]

0.03 octillion seconds to react to something is many orders of magnitudes slower than the reaction time of the average person

[@youtube-kit9450]

And the lack of consistency is said bad writing people harp on about.

[@graveyardshift2100]

Tbf about Apokalypse, he is legit op in every version. They can always still fight him, but usually can't beat him easily.

[@sparshgongale1943]

3:24 he's 10000 years old and he adapts to fight? What is he? A saiyan?

[@syeungmin6204]

actually yeah viltrumites have saiyan-like qualities where they get zenkai boosts and only get stronger with age

[@ottol.c.1784]

@@syeungmin6204while Viltrumites do grow more powerful as they age, it’s never stated if they can come back stronger from getting their asses kicked. Which is silly, since the writing seems to imply this to some extent. Especially since Mark is the equivalent of a baby Viltrumite and yet he’s somehow able to hurt Viltrumites that are at least thousands of years old.

[@syeungmin6204]

@@ottol.c.1784 oh true it isnt stated but implied pretty frequently based on events

[@ottol.c.1784]

@@syeungmin6204 yeah, we also need to consider that in the comics Atom Eve heals Mark (and subsequently improves his body even further) so that’s probably another reason for why he can punch way above his weight class.

[@YoungMule]

I saw somewhere that most cinematic speedsters aren’t actual speedsters but “time lords” it’s hilarious because most time we see the fastest characters they are in super slow motion. Dash is one of the few that feels fast and energetic every time he’s moving

[@meep9231]

I’d say the same thing applies to MCU Quicksilver as well, since most of the time he’s seen moving at super speed.

[@YoungMule]

@@meep9231 I agree. And most live action bullet-time scenes feel kinda recycled or lazy. A really cool take on it I saw recently was the cyberpunk anime. Love the way they animate super speed and ground it with biological consequences

[@cbrock5529]

7:00 I think superman realized that the grenade he caught was lead lined (one of the few things that blocks kryptonite’s effects and his x-ray vision) and was beginning to process that there was something odd going on, and as stated he didn’t know that he would be hurt, he was in the courtroom explosion earlier in the film and the only reason that he didn’t stop that was because the bomb was hidden by (dramatic music) lead. Edit: agreed that he could’ve moved after some green slipped out.

[@Albatross0913]

You can see for yourself what it's like to have super senses by playing Super Hot VR, I personally can still see these supes like Red Rush losing after playing that for myself. Super senses aren't just a free win power.

[@TheGreatFryMaster]

Theres something about the red rush scene that I feel like nobody notices. Omni man noticed red rush would only hit him where he wasn't looking. So he looked the other way, and moved his arm into position WHILE red rush was about to hit him. Not after. It wasn't super speed, and it wasn't enhanced senses. But the most important thing was that red rush was literally written to be killed. And if red rush was smarter (or written to win the battle) he would've stayed as support, moving the team members out of the way

[@Ka_chi1]

Bro did you watch the video

[@Ka_chi1]

If it wasn't super speed or senses how tf did he catch him then. Cuz I don't see how you can perceive things in slow mo and get caught like only a 2 iq individual can pull that off.

[@TheGreatFryMaster]

@@Ka_chi1 Man did you even read my comment? He felt the first one, and noticed by the 2nd hit that red rush would hit him where he wasn't looking. So after looking the other way, he moved his arm before red rush hit him, so he can catch red rush's hand right as he got hit.

[@Ka_chi1]

@@TheGreatFryMaster bro what I'm saying is that the only way Omni man can catch red rush is if he is as fast or faster than him,which is not possible if not he wouldn't be getting jumped by robots or even get hit by literally anyone else or is everyone in the show speedsters

[@logicaestrex2278]

​@@TheGreatFryMasterhe is impossible to catch. Period. He would literally have to put his hand in omniman in intentionally for omnimans to even come close to grabbing him, and even then he could pull his hand out faster than omniman could even clench his fist

[@samborradziecki8345]

A train might be afraid of homelander not only because he has laser vision that i assume has the speed of light but also a train knows that most likely he cant hide his loved ones away from homelander

[@saucevc8353]

For the invincible examples, could it be that some of the scenes that look like they’re happening in real time are actually speed scenes slowed down for viewer convenience? Super speed in the TV show doesn’t even look that fast so it’s not like time would be frozen for them.

[@Kinesis327]

The imortal doesn't have super speed and was still able to hit omni man multiple times

[@luisgay5897]

Then its a failure of the writing again since they don't make it clear. Plus Red Rush is the only one in the room with superspeed. Omniman can accelerate to light speed, he can't just instantly move at light speed.

[@DimRadiance]

​@@luisgay5897he can actually

[@PengyDraws]

@@luisgay5897 Is it, or do they just not care because it's not that important?

[@NanoMp40]

​@@Kinesis327 and I ask, being from the OP specie, which speed should we take as "canon"? The one against RR or Inmortal? Depending of your choice the other is bad writting, you just chose Inmortal speed

[@mcocak3529]

You are exactly like me 😂 I always get so irritated by all this lazy A$$ writing. My favorite speedster is The Flash and I've watched it's 9 seasons as well. What I totally hate about it is that they make him run at so much speed yet also loose to a non-speedster. The main villains were good but all that non-speedster catching flash Bull$hit was incredibly not-necessary. Instead, they could've made less episodes and with logic and enough budget for VFX so there's a Win-Win for both them and us viewers. Hope the flash and other speedsters to get what they deserve. A good writing!

[@erikeriks]

Yeah love that show too man.

[@metalsonic4.1therobothedge24]

5:14 you could say that to most debaters/power scalers

[@khajogaming5753]

I was trying to create a speedster, but I ended up changing it a lot because how do I let him do cool stuff and then get hit when he needs to be?

[@FlashRanger20]

I'm doing the same and ended up deciding that he only loses to other speedsters, because he gets cocky, or he just doesn't lose 99% of the time and the story mainly focuses on his school life. If you have better ideas please lmk

[@omeganeoz]

honestly ima give a pass to the omniman one because it looks badass even tho it doesnt make any sense

[@RSG200]

Ima give a pass to the robot choking omni man with his own cape because it looked hot asf

[@omeganeoz]

@@RSG200 same. i nearly busted

[@pedromaya7739]

6:59 'Gas is not faster than an explosion'. Isn't an explosion just an expantion of gas? kinda like exactly what happened there? plus. 1. he did blink due to the explosion, making him not see the gas before he had already breathed it. 2. Even if he saw the gas, he wouldn't expect it to be kryptonite

[@IvanMoncure]

Eric Kripke has confirmed he chose to make the last episode of Diabolical canon, because he liked it. You can trust him because he based Noir’s relationship to Homelander in the newest season partially on their interactions in the short.

[@thenoirknight5729]

So it would be like an Arkham Origins sort of canon. Certain things did happen, but not the whole thing as you see it

[@certyguy]

​@@thenoirknight5729 I thought only the multiplayer wasn't canon

[@Sirperfluous]

Jist watched your three speedster videos and saw your post thanking people for the growth. Happy to be here thanks for the content

[@BlazingOwnager]

It's not stated in the show, but I have to give the Omniman thing some credit. We don't know the capabilities of his race in the show, but as you mentioned we know he can begin moving ridiculously fast when flying - meaning he has to have speedster reaction times to control that. Is it *really* a stretch to say he can move at that speed in very short bursts (Superman can do this too)? Not defending it because it's Invincible, just saying.. I think the door is open to an actual explanation to that one. When Omniman threw that first punch, it was moving at *just* under Red Rush speeds, why he barely moved Immortal out of the way in time. All I'm saying is I'm willing to say Jury's Out on red rush right now due to not enough information.

[@davidosorio869]

Ok but you need to be consistent. If Omniman reaction can upgrade to upspeed RedRush then she should be literally untouchable. If he can adapt to the faster man in the world he should be able adapt his reactions to any attacker

[@bionodroid547]

@@davidosorio869 but omniman does adapt to any attacker. he lets himself get hit, and it's implied that viltrumites still get worn down and lose endurance over time. this is why he's probably moving at red rush speeds at the very beginning when he tries to take out immortal, but after suffering some blows, switches to just tanking the shots since he knows he can make it anyway. besides i think it's doubtful that he has constant super speed perception like red rush does, instead my guess is that he just chose the trajectory when blowing up that atmosphere at random then predicted red rush's attacks. earth is not his first rodeo so it's likely that he's encountered speedsters before, red rush in this situation made a poor tactical decision which isn't unrealistic and omniman exploited it. maybe they could have drawn out the scene by making omniman try to grab him a few times and missing but it would be unnecessary because people would still complain.

[@reenokop]

Bro that Quora level mcu meatriding at the end. Chef's kiss!

[@Snowsuke]

5:50 Omg! i've been trying to find a person to said something like this for a long long time! I've been talking with my friends about this all the time. Like i get it? the flash is surrounded by someone like shazam and superman, that's why he has to be the fastest. But for a speedster in my preference, i don't even think that they need to hit a speed of sound to be cool. Like spider-man, how to make your character interesting. You don't make them overpowered. Speedster hero can be something like spider-man, if only they would've limit to like a 800 KM/H, And that if they're pushing their limits. Speedsters like the flash looks so invulnerable, but at the same time he is vulnerable??? That's what make them so ass.

[@Homerboy44]

Them teens are only replying with the slop they produce because they learned how to talk and socialize from the TikTokers they watch. They don't care about logic, they only care about being paid attention to, and the sound of their own voice. It's pathetic.

[@bryce7344]

"Things should work entirely different in a generally faithful adaptation of a piece of media just because the adaptation changes some of the story" and then censoring the comment so that no one can read it and decide for themselves if it's too much of a stretch or not is crazy

[@brennanvillao]

Thank you Lord I wasn’t the only one who saw that bullshit ,

[@helloneighbour2408]

Nah he's right and you're dumb.

[@DaniG._.German]

I think Omniman watched CW Flash and thought to himself "what if... oh it worked".

[@VunderGuy]

3:42 While you are correct in that the Dark Night is a better movie than Black Panther, Black Panther did objectively make way more money.

[@chocov1233]

12:41 - Dude basically said that MCU Quicksilver has momentum and speed build up like Sonic.

[@prancinNOOB]

Omniman can create shockwaves and other aoe attacks, as we see in the finale. He should've used one of those to knock Red Rush Down and tackle him or something. Like how can Sky High do this better?

[@SomeOfMyBusiness]

Point...... considering Omniman has speedster like abilities you got me thinking his "Sonic Clap" done like how She-Hulk did hers in that Disney show would be very effective against speedsters. I'm still trying to understand Flash's rogue gallery. 😔 Anyone with earth based shockwave like abilities should be able to defeat speedsters with ease especially...like the entire Earth Kingom in Avatar - Last Air Bender. I saw Batman has a super computer dedicated to predicted when and where Flash can be so that's an interesting take on how to defeat a speedster.

[@bestpiss]

Ok but red rush would just see the ground being destroyed from the shockwave and run away

[@davidosorio869]

Red Rush its faster tan sound

[@Spiceodog]

Red rush moves at 8000 times the speed of sound . “ that’s a nice argument senator, why don’t you back it up with a source ?”

[@Mister_Fate]

Good video you have very good points,and u weren't harsh to the characters because they're weaker,which is respectable

[@SentinelAerospaceOfficial]

We don't know if Homelander actually moved that fast to save butcher. For all we know, he could have just shielded butcher from the explosion with his body

[@NANA-un7jx]

I do think the omni man scene could plausibly make sense. He is fast as well but also Red rush was panicking and moving predictably due to having little other options he wa practically just rotating around omni man. That along side with experience in combat would make it a lot easier for omni man to anticipate where he would be. Keep in mind he also trained with him so he is probably very familiar with rush's tactic of trying to confuse him which he likely has used against countless other villains before. I don't think he reacted to red rush as much as took advantage of his mental state and predicted him with some help from his own super speed. You'd be surprised how well humans can react to stimuli they are familiar with never the less a death machine trained since birth.

[@davidosorio869]

Bro you need to understand that something needs to be consistent. If Omniman can catch the faster man, he can catch anything slower, but he didnt. He gets hit a lot. it donst matter if you have fast reaction if you dont have the speed to catch him.

[@NANA-un7jx]

@@davidosorio869 reaction time is one the least consistent things. It changes based on familiarity, readiness, physical health etc.I stated there were multiple factors to red rush being caught not just speed I also brought up his possible mental state and his predictable way of moving the man prolly wasn't even 100% mentally there to even realize omni man was gonna mess him up considering what just happened to him. Yeah if you catch him by surprise and can actually cause him physical pain he's gonna get hit but if you are moving predictably and just giving him more time to react to your movements he's gonna be more locked in.

[@davidosorio869]

@@NANA-un7jx so if a character with normal super speed can react and grab the punch of Redmist, how is that Redmist a guy who see a second like a minute cant react to the grab and dodge it? He without being alert could react to Omniman flying to Inmortal. So in the middle of a fight with a single enemie he should be able to see a arm moving in the direction he is currently watching and react faster

[@davidosorio869]

@@NANA-un7jxalso redrush was not panicked nor was his mental state altered. Remember a conversation means hours to him, he can analyze things hundreds of times faster than others. Also, mind control isn't that rare in this world and no one had died yet, so there's no reason for him to be in an altered mental state.

[@NANA-un7jx]

@@davidosorio869 he was literally the last one to die out of all the team members. If redrush was in his right mind he prolly would've contacted more heroes or escaped and regrouped to create some kind of contingency plan. He's definitely a smart dude he was not at his mental peak during the end of the fight for sure. What makes you think he was fully present, man was punching omniman for no reason in circles accomplishing nothing he was most likely bugged out of his mind not even paying attention to his surroundings or even to omni man himself just doing a basic distraction maneuver that he's rehearsed thousands of times out of musclememory that omni man's probably seen him do multiple times. Man wasn't analyzing shit. Is witnessing the death of teammates you've known for years and realising that one of the most powerful men in the world is actually evil enough to cause at least a little bit of panic.

[@mcl4549]

7:09 Good point for every situation besides this one, superman would be in kryptonite's effective radius the second it starts to come out, weakening him and dulling his super speed sense before the full dose can get to him, everything else said though was pretty on point

[@fbiuzz]

Yeah. The issue with prople bringing up '10,000 years of experience" and "skill" is that speedsters are potrayed as basically freezing time (from their perspective) whenever they go super-fast. So no amount of skill matters since the enemy would be effectively frozen and the only real counter is being able to move at comparable speed. Which is why Dash is so useful since he doesnt have superhuman reaction speed (or at least not at the level of 'I see everything as if time has stop').

[@MylesKillis]

Dash does or else he’d have made a mess when he put the thumb tact down

[@6DireWolf9]

Hey, just discovered your channel today. I LOVE these videos about badly written speedsters.

[@VunderGuy]

You touch upon a bigger and larger issue in these vids: that is, that in fiction in general and not just where superspeed or even powers and abilities are concerned, consistency is actually very hard to come by so much so that when it's seen, it's rare and often lauded, such as in the (first) Incredibles and Avatar: The Last Airbender (but not Korra, but Korra is awful). Sadly, is so many things, the rule of cool really does take precedence over the rule of making sense via implications and applications and other things, even internal sense, and the superhero genre, as much as I love that genre and is my personal favorite, very much suffers a lot of the time from this. Because superhero stuff is by its nature so flashy and is so prevalent nowadays, it also gets called out on this more often than other genres even tho many examples in those other genres are just as guilty if not more so. I will say this tho: at least in those instances you mentioned, the characters were, at least generally in character and consistent with themselves. I saw a couple scenes from the Halo TV series that, while impressive in that they finally give spartans feats more aligned with the non visual/book stuff in a visual medium rather than that slow as molasses dreck we got in Halo 5 between Locke and John, were vastly outweighed by the full on character assassination of Chief that I saw in other segments. All that to say, the Mario movie slaps the Halo TV series so hard in actually being faithful to the source material from a character, setting, and plot standpoint that Mario now owns microsoft and uses Chief as a footstool while playing Kid Icarus on his SNES.

[@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805]

Youre forgetting that Superman got hit TWICE with kryptonite fart bullets. fool me once...

[@TheJadeFist]

I agree that bad writers tend to cop out when it comes to the extent of super powers and losing when they shouldn't it for the sake of plot. However I'll say that super speed doesn't mean you're perfectly aware of everything around you, which is why in Flash Point batman shooting the Reverse Flash or whatever his name is, made sense because he caught him by surprise. We'll ignore the retcon speed-zombie thing.

[@anomaly395]

In that movie he goes by Professor Zoom. His name changes depending on the media. But if it’s easier you can just call him Thawne.

[@ignacioperez5479]

​@@anomaly395reverse flash and zoom werent 2 different characters?

[@anomaly395]

@@ignacioperez5479 As I’ve heard from other comments, in the comics his name changed between Professor Zoom and Reverse Flash depending on the issue. It was only in the CW TV show that they took that name and made Zoom a separate character, while simply calling Thawne Reverse Flash.

[@Ragnarrackarn]

No, that makes zero sense. He should´nt be able to get "cought by surprise" while in Flash point. He should see everything in extreme slow motion, so how can he get shot by a bullet going in slow moiton?

[@ignacioperez5479]

@@Ragnarrackarn he got shot at almost 0 distance in the blind spot we all have. here he explains what happened kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4i4e3RpeNeUpqcsi=Q1GhWAG6qMUXxgdz

[@AnonTwosixfive]

The correct way to write speedsters is the way anime does it: EVERYONE is a speedster. Every character is super fast to varying degrees and can perceive slower opponents as being super slow, as well as react to slower people effortlessly. Thus, when another character hits them, it's just "yeah, they were relative to their speed" and never "this normal human landed a blow on a speedster???" because normal humans DON'T land blows on superhumans in these shows.

[@KKKuma]

For BVS I think one of the reason why superman didn't avoid the gas either is because he didn't think it would hurt him. He stopped the bullet to inspect what it does and it exploded into gas. He had never experience kriptonite or know about it existence (there was none in MoS) and never get hurt before (except when fighting Zod) so he have no clue there would be something that could potentially harm him. All of the previous batman devices was useless on him so he probably didn't think it would hurt him either. If I was him I probably like: "Ok another bullet and it explode into gas, that is all? Moving on Batman." So that was probably why he didn't dodge the gas and just inhale it like normal smoked bomb that Batman just used a few second ago. And isn't doomsday also has super speed because he is also Kriptonian? And superman wasn't as strong as before. He regenerated from the nuclear explosion and cameback instantly. So the fight with Superman, WW and DD was probably at super speed but Batman was watching it as well so I am not sure how fast it is. But I am not sure if it is justify or not. About Snyder cut. I guess Flash was so focusing on building charge he couldn't do anything else or all the charge would be lose. That may be why he get hurt. But if you don't agree then it is ok too. When he fought Superman. Superman also had super speed and he never could catched flash. Their only interaction was Flash tried to push Superman and then he got pushed back as well (probably a part of superman also pushing and he was like a wall so Flash instead pushed himself too). Anyway the thing with BvS is that. After the first reaction with Kriptonite, Superman got hurt a little but didn't know his superpower was heavily reduced. He was about to full strike on another normal person at that time. He could have killed batman if the kriptonite gas didn't last that long. That was so bad for someone that called Superman. And just the scene before he also threw batman over from a high fall. That could easily kill another person. I think either way of thinking those are bad writing is fine. Because BvS really has bad writing and so does Snyder Cut.

[@crisstoff89]

No, its the same. The bullet exploding he should have seen it whatever gas comes of it ,plus they are always stupid standing there. The milisecond even less ,if I feel there something off I'm out of there, then scan de area and go full speed or range attack. Its stupid writting because the plot needs to.

[@Nazoto]

​@@crisstoff89no I think the point of the original comment is even if he saw the gas in slow motion he didn't care cause he didn't know that it would affect him cause nothing has ever hurt him before except for zod

[@zer0nix]

The terraforming machine in mos generated kryptonite and visibly weakened superman, which is how batman got the idea to harvest the stuff. Lead dust and a kryptonite nade coated in lead disguised the material, and superman would have no idea how much he could be weakened by direct exposure. Also, superman was holding back but he also wanted to physically stop batman and put on a show convincing enough for lex. What part of the writing did you not like for bvsu? I thought the writing was better than mos - especially the dialogue -, although it makes the same mistakes with batman that mos made with superman, and it is weakened considerably if damaged joker isn't actually robin. ...actually if damaged joker isn't robin I guess Batmans motivation and 'reawakening' don't actually make sense. I knew about it before going in and understood the film as superman / Lois reminding the 'criminal' batman of his original purpose from before he decided to 'be a symbol' for change, which was to protect the innocent. What happened to Robin shows what a sisyphean and ephemeral goal it is to change others when they can be ruined so easily, and superman was like a super powered reflection of his own hubris, as well as a tremendous danger if he ever loses faith like batman did. I liked the film because every major character was trying to be a hero / superman in their own flawed way, including lex, and I thought that was clever. I can't watch most clips from mos without cringing but bvs is actually pretty decent by comparison, and I love all the little Easter eggs and references.

[@_V.Va_]

Kinda like how in Justice League: War, Batman tried using a gas on Superman only for it to not work. Same deal, SV Superman thought it wouldn't do anything.

[@concept5631]

Omni-Man can move FTL, but its only travel speed in the vaccum of space and he has to build up to it.

[@WeAllPlayBall]

I just LOVE the voices you make while reading some of these people's comments 😂

[@datdankdj8264]

10:30 OMG it’s Muscle Man from Regular Show 💀

[@Shaggy87781]

4:20 THANK YOU I have been saying this for ages. You cannot "Predict" where a speedster will be BECAUSE THEY CAN PERCEIVE THE PREDICTION FASTER THAN IT HAPPENING. Its like playing rock paper scizzors and my opponent throws scizzors because I threw paper too many times... But I can perceive hes throwing scizzors 10000x faster and ALWAYS adjust to rock before our hands are thrown down. also at 5:20 omniman I agree has SOME enhanced perception, but absolutely nowhere near red rush. Like, omniman literally got hit with baterangs from darkwing in their fight also 7:08 is why flash dying in the injustice animated movie is the most BS death ever. He just stands there and breathes the gas in... when the gas is slower than anything theyve reacted to (both superman, and flash)

[@thebcwonder4850]

I disagree to your first point. I’ve premoved RPS and won multiple times

[@Shaggy87781]

@@thebcwonder4850it wasnt the best example, my point is red rush should always see omniman slowly moving his hand up and adjust accordingly.

[@amja327]

Some people seem to forget that they can like a show while still recognizing that a part was badly written or is unrealistic within the show's established rules.

[@bigdigclutch]

I reason why doomsday could've grabbed superman, is because he was made from Zod's body so he probably has super speed too.

[@johnatanbitencourt4969]

that's a good note, still not explainning How he missed Batman and his ultra speed grappling gun

[@bigdigclutch]

@johnatanbitencourt4969 yeah it's hard to fit batman into stories with such strong enemies.

[@johnatanbitencourt4969]

@@bigdigclutch agree

[@midnighter9768]

@@johnatanbitencourt4969because batman already moved before doomsday reached him Doomsday has slow travel speed but fast reaction time

[@mxn5132]

​@@johnatanbitencourt4969 Batman was on the run. and Doomsday doesn't always have to be ultra fast to catch what he perceives as less of a threat. Superman and WW were literally harming Doomsday and he in turn was harming them back with great speed.

[@lucasLSD]

I love how the people calling you out had no arguments at all lmao, the tiktok thing is so real.

[@EliasAinzworth]

In the case of Invincible, omniman is not slow. In the comic, he jad flew to different planet in just a week and his son, Mark literally flew faster than a spaceship traveled a very large distance of space. Omniman is like a speedster too in his own way. We didn't get to see enough of Red Rush to know how much faster he is. From just that scene, the show told us that Nolan is not being left in the dust.

[@PrimeTime0]

Yes it has been calculated and Ominman is many times faster than light at his top speed. Usually he just doesn't go as fast as he possibly can because he doesn't need to

[@barriakarl]

That just moves the goalpost. Now omniman is the speedster, meaning he should just kill everyone else in 0.01 secs. Sans maybe the red dude who can maybe last a couple secs. Same if you say Superman can match flash. Now superman is even more OP and nobody ever should touch him.

[@bestpiss]

@@barriakarlOmni mans top speed is ftl but it takes a while for him to accelerate to that speed and the fastest we see him in the show is not even at light speed

[@WISDOMYT_]

Another dumb fool comincs is different from the shows

[@BlazingOwnager]

I don't know why he's not considered that some characters may have access to very very brief bursts of super speed that they can't maintain. Even if it takes a while to pick up speed, if you can fly at lightspeed, you damn well better have super reaction time - even if it's not on all the time.

[@grantarmstrong2968]

7:30 the grenade that Superman caught also lit up very brightly into Superman’s eyes before the gas appeared, so you could argue that Superman never had the opportunity to see the gas before it reached him

[@bluecoyote3320]

Maybe with RedRush, his reaction time is even faster than his normal speed, as in even to his perceived time he’s moving relatively slow, so any movements he makes have to be planned out before hand because his body takes time to do what he tells it to, I’m not defending it since this wasn’t in the show as a point but that would be an interesting way to balance a speedster

[@sebastianpobletecarvalho5081]

I always though Omniman catches the punch, not out of reflexes but out of reading the trajectory.

[@nameless3200]

I mean Omni Man still tracks at the end of the day. His top speed is FTL so his perception would have to around that a long with his agility. I’ll just use the flash time excuse to explain why he didn’t move his fist at the speed of light to catch his hand. Not saying the scene couldn’t have been done better but it is what it is

[@logicaestrex2278]

Except he doesn't. He's not a speedster in the same sense and flight speed isn't the same as overall speed. Omniman isn't stopping time bro

[@nameless3200]

@logicaestrex2278 I think you misunderstood my point. I’m not making the claim that he can reach FTL speeds without flight but that because he can fly at those speeds, he most likely can perceive at those speeds as well. So while RR would be faster than Nolan, it’s possible that Nolan was able to fully perceive RR, and was able to be just fast enough to catch him off guard. Also there are plenty of none speedsters who are even faster than Nolan and can perceive at even higher speeds than him do you don’t have to be a speedster to do that.

[@mahpell7173]

One thing about Dash - he also isn't written as consistent as it seems. He has quite a few moments shown to be able to move so fast that neither people nor cameras can't properly register his movement - only its aftereffect.

[@BigblackDavis]

Their opponents are fast too, omniman can likely move fast enough to negate red rushs speedy reactions. You can apply this logic to most of his enemies as well.

[@E10-g8m]

if omniman was that fast then 3:04 should never have happened, its only applied when needed for yhe plot aka bad writing

[@BigblackDavis]

@@E10-g8m those robots are nearly as strong and fast as invincible, Omni man was fighting a few robots, blinded, and I think he fought the immortal before that as well after chasing a man across the planet that teleports.

[@joshuaagbettor5610]

​@BigblackDavis Yh, but Omni man was much stronger and faster than Invincible, so he should be able to body those robots easily.

[@bestpiss]

@@joshuaagbettor5610and he did

[@BigblackDavis]

@@joshuaagbettor5610 they were altered even further to be stronger than when invincible fought them

[@mjjjermaine]

Damn the two videos really made me reconsider speedster abilities. Dash is a perfect example of what other characters *should* be, but get defaulted to the “time in a bottle” type. Good stuff.

[@trietlam1438]

“I talk shit about everything. Beloved or not” You sir, are subscribed

[@SpyGuysX]

7:28 maybe superman was already being nerfed by the kryptonite since he was holding it in his hand, that's why his super reflexes didn't toggle.

[@moviehermit5631]

In defence of Superman, he had never faced Kryptonite before. The closest was Zod’s ship replicating Krypton’s atmosphere but even then, it wasn’t even toxic to him, it just negated his powers. This isn’t Christopher Reeve’s Superman where he’s learned about the existence of Kryptonite, how it affects him and then tells a reporter he likes all about it. This was the first time he had ever encountered Kryptonite, so he wouldn’t have any reason to treat a random green gas as a threat to him until he breathed it in (in which case, it’s too late) Also, he wasn’t going into the fight to actually fight. I still think it’s ridiculous he didn’t directly say “Bruce, Luthor’s behind all of this, he’s kidnapped my mother and is ordering me to kill you, but I think we can stop him and save my mother if we work together”. Sure, he tried saying that all at the start of the fight, but he had so many opportunities even before the Kryptonite went into play to say something

[@mxn5132]

He did try to say all that but Bruce wasn't having any of it and he kept attacking him and Superman simply gave him a warning when he said if he wanted him dead he would already be and after that, Bruce introduced kryptonite to the game which completely shocked Superman and sent him into survival mode which made the fight very logical

[@matthewgagnon9426]

All the people horribly mangling Apocalypse's name is hilarious, because it's clear they're trying to spell it like Apokolips, but that's the name of Darkseid's home planet which is the wrong company.

[@gravewalker9162]

I loved the part where he presented arguments instead of shit talking, that was the best part

[@mekingtiger9095]

This is one of the many, many reasons why speed powerscaling is an utter clusterfuck.

[@jm329]

4:11 Both of them were moving at super speed so it was in real time for them and us. You can see the others in the scene move in slow motion.

[@rockboiler1029]

I dont see how its so hard to understand that Omniman predicted red rush. It's not a case of super reactions, but red rush was attacking in a repeating pattern: Attack, slow down to hit (as to not break his own hand), move to the other side, repeat. Once he had gone in for a swing, momentum was carrying him. He might've been able to react quick enough to see Omniman's hand, but he couldnt just switch directions on a dime.

[@joshKozak]

You can see the light of an explosion before the sound and definitely before you see the blast wave. Light is faster than sound. Plus it’s a tv show they write explosions poorly.

[@ShaanPatelMusico]

Totally agree with you bro. The one who moves faster than you, Can't be beaten by you

[@CatotheE]

What if the speedster can't hurt the other guy?

[@johnatanbitencourt4969]

@@CatotheE that's Very hard, I know that using physics logic on something imaginary like comics or TV series is a little strange but, Flash as an example can move faster than light and bla bla bla, If you can Just stop time like we see in a Lot of speedsters, you have the Full control of aceleration, moving with the time stopped requires infinite acceleration (F=M.A) soo in that case Mass is not important if It has value (M>0) soo, this is actually generation of infinity force, what is scary because If you move any distance generating something like that you Will cause an actual new Bigbang. Flash wouldn't Go back time, but Destroy ALL existence... Note of course assuming that any physical object can reach the speed of light because of that result. but Flash can turn intangible using the "molecular vibration" shit that doesn't make sense but let's Just assume it's "true". what i'm saying is: speedsters strong, speedsters Go vush and boom everything even themselves.

[@CatotheE]

@@johnatanbitencourt4969 Super speed doesn't give you time manipulation though. Not generally. It would be like saying that everyone with super strength get's telekinesis. The Flash's greatest power isn't necessarily super speed, although that's a really good power. It's his ability to ignore the laws of the universe.

[@johnatanbitencourt4969]

@@CatotheE time and speed are two sides of the same coin, Just like magnetism and eletric powers. time is the perception of the speed around you, it's relative, using some point or number as a reference. BUT i'm talking about the speedsters (Speed of perception, movement, friction and reaction), like flash, Quicksilver, Sonic (From the movie), A-Train and etc. not about heroes that Just run fast like that Guy From the my hero academia shit (I don't remember his name and don't have other example on my mind, Sorry) in that case you're right.

[@johnatanbitencourt4969]

@@CatotheE note that yes, I don't agree with going back in time or going to the Future, that's a Full time manipulatiom right there and that's fucked up

[@TheHardInfo]

You make such a good point being a speedster is SUPER OP FRRR

[@dfredankey]

I fwu funny asl and you actually might be right with some of these I get that “Omni baited red rush” but if he perceives everything in hours how tf did he get caught?