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[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Check out the Merch Store: growling-sidewinder.creator-spring.com/ Links to get your hands on the Gripen Mod are posted Above in the Video Description, Thank you for watching please remember mods are based on publicly available information regarding these aircraft and therefore do not represent the full capabilities of these aircraft its just the best we have at this time.

[@showket185]

Please make one dogfight rafale vs j10c

[@dededede9645]

Su35 vs f35 bro

[@daviddoyle982]

Hey 👋 Growling Sidewinder! Quick suggestion, ignore if you’ve already done this, but why not do a little series comparing the two planes ✈️ for operations / actions that Canada 🇨🇦 will likely do? Things like, air to air (BVM & dogfighting), anti-shipping, air to ground, interception (especially Russian aircraft - being in such close proximity) etc? See which one does the job better? Edit F-35 vs Gripen

[@Error-33]

Thank you so much for bringing the tac view back even if there isnt anything new its always nice to have a tac view at the ending also this video really was fun to watch please do more like this

[@dededede9645]

Su57 vs f35 bro

[@stinkyfungus]

Its taking canada so long to decide because neither SAAB or Lockheed will budge on including an in cockpit maple syrup dispenser that is certified for 9+ Gs

[@kellybreen5526]

Don't forget the beer keg and the heater to melt the cheese curds for the poutine. Almost forgot the back bacon.

[@matso3856]

@@kellybreen5526 Well since Gripen stands for the cheaper option , the solution would be for the pilot to bring his own coffe thermos & cinnamon bun to get a afternoon "fika". Although fika can be had anytime of the day really ;)

[@bennyb.1742]

Timmy Ho's is really stalling on the doughnut holder implementation as well.

[@alpearson9158]

Canada will make a decision by mid March as planned , which ever aircraft is decided upon will require immediate processing. Problem with the F35 would be must be built in the US but if Gripen chosen the ability to further development in Canada is very real

[@spaztor7723]

Its ok. All we need are our moose tanks anyways. Indistructable.

[@dystopianlucidity4448]

There is one channel that I can say “I see, I click” every time!

[@hkguitar1984]

Ditto

[@seanmurphyification]

Is it this one?

[@joshharrison1568]

Facts!

[@thevortex7075]

It’s pewdiepie right?

[@blahahtheelder4343]

Yup

[@roycooper1356]

Thank you for this great sim, 1. your point about public information and the accuracy of the 'mod' is spot on. SAAB made a statement recently that the JAS 39 E/F and even the C/D variants during exercises in the UK and other countries never use the ECM and the full suite of Electronic warfare during those exercises. They said basically what you said in this video, that they do not want anyone knowing the full capabilities of their Electronic warfare suite of the Gripen (Arrow II) 2. I can appreciate your train of thought for using the American missiles, however, with the cost savings, the BVR interceptor role over the artic, Canada would be very foolish not to purchase a large amount of Meteor missiles. 3. One of the great tactics of the Gripen is that essentially each JAS 39 is essentially an AWACS with real-time data sharing across the network with a range of at least 500km. With the new detection systems on E/F in a squadron flight one aircraft would have the radar on and the others would be 'radar silent'. The 'radar silent' aircraft can lock on to the enemy aircraft from the one active radar aircraft. Plus the meteor missile has two-way communication with the aircraft on the network, whereas it can re-acquire radar lock or even switch targets mid-flight. 4. At a Red Flag vs the F16 Viper the flight of 4 Gripens scored 5-0 5-2 5-0. The comment from the F16 pilots is that they never saw the Gripens. Note that these were the Gripen C/D models. 5. It is reported that the RCS of the Gripen E/F is .5 m2 and is less than 1/4 that of the CF18. Again Great job on this video. I would love to see a sim where all four squadrons of 15 each from their respective home base at Cold Lake and Baggotville defend against full scale Russian air invasion across the artic. Russian bombers escorted by Russian fighters. scenario 1 Gripen JAS-39 equipped with BVR meteor missiles plus other medium and short-range missiles. Note, use the best of the American or European missiles to arm the Gripen (Arrow mk. II) Supercruise at Mach 1.18, Note that since the E/F has 40% more internal fuel than the C/D I would suggest using the drop tanks for that amount of extra fuel to make it a more reasonable comparision when using the DCS Mod which is the C/D. Scenario 2 F35 armed with only the US-made missiles. max cruise speed is 0.7 Mach with short bursts at higher speeds. F35 only northern landing airport is Yellowknife. Although I was not able to confirm the time for the F35 to re-arm and refuel, most US jets average 30 minutes. Gripen can land re-arm and refuel at any of the 140 plus runways across the Yukon, NWT, Nunavut, and Northern Quebec. Whereas the ground crew of 1 tech and 5 'conscripts' with a 20-foot container dropped at the forward operating bases by cargo planes. Air-to-Air re-arm and refuel for the Gripen is between 7-10 minutes. Personally, I hope and pray that we (Canada) choose the JAS 39 E/F Arrow mark II. thanks from Edmonton, (originally from Nepean Ontario) PS my father's WWII squadrons 418 city of Edmonton Mosquito squadron 432 Leaside (Skipton-on-Swale) squadron - Lancaster 438 squadron Typhoon and Hurricane Eindhoven

[@SummitMan165]

Wow!! As a Canadian from Qc, I cannot agree more with you ! I hope Canada 🇨🇦 will stand up and choose the Gripen, it would be as close as it can be to the revival of the Arrow as you mention ! Maybe rename it officially as CF-39 Arrow MK II !! 😊😊🤞🤞🙏🙏

[@roberts9095]

About your 3rd point, almost every modern fighter has this capability, datalink has been around since at least the 90s. The Gripen is nothing special in this regard.

[@RogerJL]

@@roberts9095 SAAB has continously developed datalinks since Draken in the 60s... Things F-35 brag about could be done by Gripen predecessor Viggen. Who knows what they can do now?

[@weasle2904]

F-35 is capable of all this and more, while costing less. Gripen will end up being replaced in 20 years if they make the decision to buy the outdated fighter just to save a buck on operational costs.

[@perwestermark8920]

@@weasle2904 "While costing less"??? Hello... Welcome back to earth!

[@clivereid]

Loving the BVR stuff. Keeping a mixture of dogfights, BVR and missions / scenarios keeps it interesting. :)

[@chrismoore7120]

I agree. I would love to see a few more 2v2 or even 3v3 BVR fights. I feel like that’s more likely what we would really see in the strait of Taiwan or over Ukrainian. Would be cool to do a few fights we might actually see in the near future.

[@Karl-Benny]

Reality off dog fights is 1% chance off happening

[@lockhartmatthew]

You're right on GS. Look at aircraft like the SR-71 and F-117. These aircraft went into service for decades and got retired. There are still many details of these aircraft that remain classified.

[@revengefullobster4524]

my uncle was in the development program on the 117 and he still can't talk about everything

[@BringTheRain]

Me, a Canadian: "Oh boy, here we go...."

[@stinkyfungus]

Relax son, grab another mug of maple syrup and enjoy the show. When you have GS flying under your colors, your national pride is safe.

[@owennikish7995]

@@stinkyfungus nobody in Canada really eats maple syrup. We just make it and the rest of the world likes to buy it from us.

[@chadparsons50]

@@owennikish7995 I'm Canadian and I love eating maple syrup, in fact if we don't have it I usually refuse to make pancakes.

[@isaaccoote2874]

You did really well against the R-37 this time. It is such a lethal missile, that dodge at 5:24 was just insane. You literally robbed that missile. Awesome video man.

[@zahnatom]

it didnt seem to have a track imo. the flanker immediately turned away and shouldn't have been able to keep a lock so maybe the r-37 just didnt have enough info or smth because it did not seem to turn at all

[@zahnatom]

@@lat78610 didnt GS say it did have the 77m?

[@zahnatom]

@@lat78610 1:35

[@zahnatom]

@@lat78610 i doubt it

[@supercarsnaviation6148]

Bruh I thought that was a round from the sukhois gunfire it’s so fast

[@jpierce2l33t]

*The best shot you fired in this entire video* - when you took a shot at all the Chad's in the comments who claim to know everything about classified weapon systems with all their 'internet detective' knowledge 🤣🤣🤣 that was great!!!

[@matso3856]

Concur

[@ProudOne]

The stories about the Gripen in training exercises are outstanding! From forming up formation with a typhoon undetected. 3 Gripens going up against 5 F-16’s for 3 rounds which ends up to 5-0 5-0 5-1. To 1 Gripen acting as the aggressor against 3 f-15’s, the Gripen then ended up scoring 2 kills with the last f-15 escaping home.

[@cuabcomstad]

I love it when you put extra time into the editing. The extra effort really makes the videos great.

[@abhijeetkhalia]

What an amazing discovery this channel is🙌. Now I got a little sense of what actually air combat is. Kudos to the channel 👍🏿. Gonna subscribe this channel.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Thanks man, welcome to the channel.

[@adamgarrison4737]

Love the BVR content! And the modern aircraft. The ECM thing is always guesswork, but it's nice to see the effort.

[@MidnightCravings]

*Contents keep getting better and better, keep it up GS!*

[@austinshroyer7381]

Just got DCS because of this channel luckily found a friendly squadron that is very helpful and I’ve fallen in love with dogfighting

[@djangofreeman3153]

dude.. i need a squadron.. could you help me out?

[@oleksii.malovanyi]

Those BVRs are so much more thrilling then dogfights for me! Thank you

[@christianm1533]

Canada would choose Gripen E/F. Not C/D. Also, you'd use Meteors for long range engagements Edit: Sorry, opened my mouth too soon. See your point there.

[@ryanestes7331]

Kinda weird that Canada would pick an aircraft that costs the same as an f35. The E/F variety is over 100m. Guess that's just how politics are though

[@Jay_the_AV8R]

@@ryanestes7331 purchase price might be similar but the factor you’re not considering is ownership cost. The Gripen is a technology developed and understood, mature you could say. It’s not too different than other 4th gen platforms. F-35 is a 5th gen stealth aircraft, per hour cost will be much higher. Then you have to have specialized facilities for RAM coating, special personnel, new training etc. So overall the Gripen is much cheaper.

[@kellybreen5526]

There is a Facebook group arguing F-35 vs Gripen. It is called Canada's next fighter. Funny, since 1947 Canadian fighters have had to have 2 engines to deal with the arctic. This is why numerous single engine planes have been eliminated early in the competitions. Now the twin engined plane is out and the battle is between 2 single engined fighters. Ah politics... how things are always changing but never change.

[@leogibney]

The battle over 2 engined aircraft is not a political battle. It's a matter of technology. Obviously in the 50s, 60s and 70s, Engine technology was sub-par, that is why Canada always liked the 2 engines. But given current technological advantages, the single reliable engine design makes more sense. Also the Super Hornet was eliminated becaus Boeing promised basically no severe economical benefits and also, Canada has a not so fun history with the company... (C-Series, 2017)

[@guillaumelalonde7945]

@@leogibney exactly, back then every airliner had 4 engines, and now most of them have 2 because engine tech has come such a long way.

[@Zul_H]

thank u sidewinder for BVR fight/mission, hope to see more of the BVR action..

[@SaltySkylerr]

Canada should pick the Grippen since it does literally everything Canada needs including creating jobs for Canadians, which is why they'll pick the F-35.

[@christianliebau2536]

😂😂😂 Sounds german to me

[@wacky1018]

😂😂😂😂 last line

[@niceboke]

That line drop at the end was genius😂

[@davidporter7051]

So Canada should chose a 2nd rate fighter which costs more puts it's pilot in more danger, isn't nearly as capable in network centric warfare. While providing less jobs than Lockheed Martin. Makes perfect sense.

[@davidsalcido383]

“Gripin; Gabage in garbage out!”

[@pieface6421]

love the long videos and the tac view at the end!

[@sgt.grinch3299]

The video quality is outstanding. Flankers make sexy lawn darts.

[@SummitMan165]

Thanks for showing the Gripen E in Canadian Colors !! Just missing the Gripen vs F-35 challenge now !!😊😊

[@kronop8884]

That is the legacy Gripen C, not the (almost) all new E version

[@roycooper1356]

I doubt Canada would ever be fighting against an F35.....

[@Matterian]

Awesome video GS! Nice flying man

[@aldomoya8978]

Notification gang 🤟🏽 keep up the great work GS!

[@wither5k788]

Noti Gang!

[@MrSamy4444]

As always, One of my fav. channel to watch.

[@magnang]

GS knows something we don't about the fighter procurement? If you want to help it along, maybe do one of these hopeless 20 rounds of CF-18 vs SU-57 :)

[@michaelold6695]

Either aircraft would be good, the lack of stealth hurts the Gripen, however i feel that it is probably more suited to the role of aircraft Canada needs (a fast agile fighter for protecting/enforcing our airspace, with the ability to perform ground attack). The F35 can do both as well but seems more geared towards ground attack and first strike/ penetrating contested airspace. Canada's missions tend to be multi national coalitions and are not usually involved in a lot of first strike missions. Lots of factors to weigh up, how beneficial the Gripen transfer of technology and ability to build whatever % of the aircraft. Canada is already making parts for the F35, we won't be getting anymore, and probably won't lose any of that production if we went with the Gripen (although the US can be petulant at times) it really depends on what offers both teams can bring to the table as the per unit cost of the F35 seems to be coming down significantly and I don't have any reliable numbers for either of the maintenance costs for both aircraft. Either option is a good choice

[@leogibney]

The f-35 can do every job the Gripen does. By carrying weapons externally reduces stealth but increases total weapons capability 👍

[@dreaminknight]

Basically correct. But with the bear at the door step, it is worth paying a bit more (maintenance!) and having some jets still flying after the 2nd day. There are reason why Finland and Switzerland have choosen the F35A over the Gripen recently.

[@TheWhoamaters]

I'd rather an aircraft that's built for our conditions, unlike the F-35 made to bomb insurgents

[@dreaminknight]

@@TheWhoamaters The F35 flies from Alaska, Norway and soon Finland. Not harsh enough for you? Btw. it is a multirolle jet with door kicking capacity due to its stealth feature. Do yourself a favour and talk with your jet pilots personally if possible and it will open yourneyes. I personally also dont like fat amy but have to accept that this thing is quite deadly. Thus, the F35 is the jet to go if you take your defence serious in front of highly capbable Russian and chinese jets without waiting forTempest/NGAD/FCAS etc.

[@danielboisvert139]

The F 35 has simply never lived up to what it was supposed to do. It's not really stealthy, the cost of maintenance if very high, it's not agile, it's expensive, it still has problems, etc..etc. The F 35 is being sold due to talents of good sellers, not for it's quality.

[@hifly78]

Awesome. From Canada. Good to see. Thanks.

[@darylcav6285]

Just noticed that when the flanker hit the ground and exploded there was a pressure dome that formed, very cool

[@tonyrun5802]

Das DCS 2.7

[@Frisco46]

Dang, you are a nightmare for that SU35. Greetings from Argentina!

[@trentreimer130]

Canada should buy Su-57s just for all the weird Growling Sidewinder content that would follow.

[@alpearson9158]

just not a consideration in any way

[@Anarchy_420]

Brilliant flying!👍👍

[@kmmediafactory]

Was inactive from your channel for a while, came back to check how it's doing. As good as ever I see! And I have some catching up to do😅

[@MM-kv8ly]

I like your assessment of how Canada thinks in reusing old AMRAAMs. Thats exactly what they would do!

[@leogibney]

Well, Canada is getting the newest Aim-120D AMRAAM, so I wouldn't say it's a very common thing they would do 😄

[@VisibilityFoggy]

Their real choice is Meteor or AIM-260. They need access to the classified goodies to figure out which way to go there.

[@roycooper1356]

I would disagree, yes Canada would keep its existing stockpile, however as the main role is our defense over the Artic, the Meteor missile is a game-changer to the point of being almost a strategic weapon system. I believe Canada would purchase the Meteor.

[@JohnHill-qo3hb]

Well, if it takes the Canadian Government as long to decide between the F-35 or the Gripen as it did to replace the Sea King helicopter, the RCAF pilots will be lining up to fly the ONE CF-18A left flyable. With Canada's major allies, USA, UK, Aus using the F-35, that would be the wisest choice. The latest F-18 would be best choice but Boeing kinda screwed themselves out of the competition. The biggest bang for the Canuck Buck would be the Gripen. I'm betting the F-35.

[@k.dickie8972]

Great analysis of our Canadian Government foot dragging. I still feel sorry for the Sea King crews that were lost because our Federal government doesn't know how to defend freedom.

[@MozTS]

F-35 is a great jet *for me to poop on*

[@jameson1239]

@@k.dickie8972 it’s not like our new helicopter is much better given it being grounded and all

[@theflyinggasmask]

Why would the F-35 be the wisest choice just because other NATO countries uses it? Gripen is just as compatible with NATO weapons and systems, even more so being able to field European/Israeli weapons.

[@jameson1239]

@@theflyinggasmask because chances are we will be flying this thing into the 2050s to 2060s

[@TexasGreed]

Finally big Friday. Time to start Gripen and sippin' these Shiners.

[@runner1086]

You are absolutly right that wikipedias text of Gripens ECM is not right, the ECM system are classified and they will not show that for any. Even the Gripen that will be bought.

[@richardgriffin2302]

This was a good BVR video. I enjoyed watching it

[@System-Update]

Canada will buy F-35 to stay relevant and interoperable with US lead coalition ops, which is a shame because the Grippen is a really good option in terms of cost, cost per hour, airframe performance and the fact that it relies on ECM that can be updated rather than a stealth construction concept that cannot.

[@maltnz]

Yes - commonality with allies is important. There is also the availability of parts and support - next door or different continent.

[@bruteslayer3647]

@@maltnz For the parts and support I belive SAAB said that the grippens could be built in canada

[@lancer2204]

I've been trying to find out how many ground crew are required for a F-35 turn-around, my best guesstimate is about 12-17, in addition to that, how does the F-35 handle snow covered strips?

[@laisferreira1463]

The Swedes don't choose the weapon you can or can't use and they don't even give you a completely closed trojan horse that only they know what's inside and can modify.

[@laisferreira1463]

@@maltnz blind commonality

[@davedeville6540]

Fantastic content. Your generous ability to narrate and share your knowledge is such a delightful experience. I believe Saab will always offer the Meteor as a part of the package. It’s just the best way to optimise the Gripen’s capability to super cruise and network sensors. Also, Canada is offered the Gripen E which is a much more powerful machine.

[@dat581]

Actually the Gripen can't supercruise in any relevant configuration. For Canada the anemic little jet will always have at least two external tanks and it can't supercruise with just one tank. The Gripen-E is not more powerful, it may have a larger engine but it's draggier and heavier. It has exactly the same poor thrust to weight ratio. It is not known as the "Peasant's Fighter" for nothing.

[@RogerJL]

@@dat581 Gripen E can supercruise in Air to Air configuration.

[@davedeville6540]

@@dat581 Let’s be honest and admit that the only time Gripen was called a “Peasant’s fighter” was in your comment above.

[@dat581]

@@davedeville6540 So you've never heard of google I take it? If we are being honest. It's been known as the Peasant's fighter since it was obliterated at Red Flag a few years ago.

[@redman0357]

Every time i hear you i think im clean i keep expecting a missle to face plant you great vid

[@trynasmash864]

Thumbs up for BVR! Thanks GS

[@adamATOM3]

Economically/ politically the F 35 makes the most sense. Most of Canadian missions are part of a coalition lead by the U.S it would make sense to be compatible with that reality as possible. Most of Canadian allies in NATO also use the F35 now.

[@TheSimon253]

Well, NATO uses the Eurofighter and Mirage etc as well, and Gripen is designed to be compatible with NATO hardware.

[@schnitzel2k3]

That's what exercises like Red Flag and Maple Flag are for; to help integrate different international techonologies with the goal of completing the same mission.

I assume they will go with the F-35 because why not but what part of cooperations with them doesn't the JAS-39 support if any?

[@operator0]

The Gripen is completely compatible with NATO/U.S. It carry nearly every weapon that NATO uses, and can also carry Swedish and French armaments. Additionally, the data link is also compatible. All this has been proven in Red Flag exercises. While it might be true that the Gripen is not the most politically positive choice, it is my opinion that it is the most economical of the two choices, especially with the tech transfer and domestic production deal that Sweden is willing to do.

[@rpm1796]

The RCAF's main mission is the Defence of Canada....and you don't need an air to mud FB, high maintenance 'Hanger Queen' sitting on a remote mining airstrip in the Arctic with a combat-ready rate of under 50%.

[@guygabriel6251]

And Canada is opting for the E/F model, and it should be better 😊

[@Asghaad]

and costs more than F-35 ... the pricing of quantity is at work here the F-35 is getting cheaper the more you produce of them while Gripen being low production number makes costs of modern upgrade versions skyrocket ... at the price its being offered at right now you would have to be CRAZY to buy anything other than F-35

[@einar8019]

@@Asghaad purchase cost yes but the grien is quite a bit cheaper fo fly

[@Asghaad]

@@einar8019 sure its cheaper to fly, thing is that low fly cost comes at a price of having a plane with no stealth capabilities and limited future potential vs stealth 5th gen aircraft which was built to be modular and upgradeable for decades to come and already packed with cutting edge avionics. you would have to be a total fool to buy Grippen over F-35 at this point.

[@SerratedEdges1]

Whatever we do in terms of a new fighter, we will f*ck it up somehow. Dont even get me started on this... Great vid as always!

[@rwlewko]

Which plane Canada chooses depends on whose ass Trudeau is kissing!!!

[@kenhelmers2603]

Sweet! Thanks GS

[@ViFeR2000]

I’d love to see the JAS39 Gripen vs the F35

[@RM-el3gw]

yes, this! Problem is so many things can't be properly accounted for, since they're confidential or not accurately modeled.

[@johanlassen6448]

F-35 wins easily.

[@zenki4666]

Dude.. The music is so insane.. So epic..

[@rdmreptiles]

Is it possible to do an F35 vs Su35 with the same weapons as this. I think it would be pretty cool to see the difference between how the gripen and f35 would fight

[@mcgeufer]

I kinda feel like he did that already, unless my mind is playing tricks on me.

[@jonunder7830]

I want to see a dispute between J-39 vs F-35, how?

Test the Finnish setup with 64 F-35 vs 64 JAS-39 + 2 GlobalEye.

[@kaidenharding4807]

Saab has stated that if Canada were to go with the Gripen, the fighters would be produced within Canadian borders. Not only would we get much needed fighters, but we would also get more jobs. 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@SummitMan165]

And so , spare parts availability during a potential conflict would not be a issue at all ! Including GE engines!

[@faarsight]

And technology transfer as well I assume

[@BlackHawkTejas]

@@faarsight Technology transfer happens for Know How & not Know Why!

[@robertoesportes3987]

Just like here in Brazil. We bought 36 Gripen E and some parts are already manufactured at the Saab factory here in Brazil. However, Gripens F will be fully built here from this first purchase. From a second order, the Gripen will be almost all or all produced here in Brazil, regardless of whether it is an E or F version (with two seats).

[@cvjanzen550]

I hope we get Gripen E 🤞 Great vid! Seeing Canadians understand the Gripens capabilities in the comments section made my day. Most people never do their research. Drives me crazy 🤪

[@andrewanderson5297]

If this comes with pontoons for cottage country forward deployment then I am all for the RCAF buying into the Grippen.

[@syedmohsin30]

Hi Growling Sidewinder V good videos! I suggest Could u try these fights? 1) J10C fight with Rafale both in BVR and dogfight too & 2) Su30 vs JF17Block 3 both in BVR & Dogfight too?

[@claudec877]

As Canada has discarded the Rafale, the best choice becomes the Gripen. On the other hand, it would be wise to buy 30 to 40 of them and wait for a sixth generation interceptor.

[@CWebs]

Would you be willing to do a vid on how to read the radar screen, and other dash screens?

[@silverblotter4444]

A real life Canadian F35 BVR fight video would be nice! Above the arctic in intercept and engage scenario!

[@queuque1234]

It would be nice seeing the NG version of the gripen :)

[@allezoo8181]

Hey! Could you test Finlands choice of fighter, 64 F-35As vs what they decided not to go for, 64 Gripen Es + 2 Global Eye AWACS.

[@risingpower3658]

I think I can see the utility of being easily upgraded. You could always have the latest electronic warfare. Easy for pod. Digital images for Intel. New weapons, like meteor missile. Now make it as invisible as you can.

[@johanlassen6448]

No, you cant. The Gripen is limited by its low engine output. Meaning it cant support powerful EW systems since it does not have the energy to do so.

[@Stookatz]

How about an f35 vs Gripen video? Our ministry of defence is intending to do so and there are plenty of videos comparing the two by stats.

[@yusefa3100]

Would love to see, R-37 vs Phoenix

[@tomas7158]

Great, as allways. 👍

[@Lord.Kiltridge]

I have been a fan of Canada picking up the Gripen for quite a long time.

[@58Rev]

Gripen vs Panther for Canada? My vote is for the JAS39. They are both extremely capable aircraft, but with the enormous- relatively- maintenance requirements for the F-35 it feels like the Gripen would be the perfect solution for my high-pockets government. We'd get all the manufacturing offsets, a weapon system proven under austere conditions and designed to be rapidly reserviced between missions and one facet the Swedes practice- FAARPs set up close to major roads as the Gripen's short field characteristics are to allow this. The budget would also allow for more aircraft and the wonderful Meteor. So, while to me it makes sense, the addled decision-makers In Ottawa will pick the one that makes the least sense. Great vid, it was excellent to see the bird in RCAF livery.

[@chadparsons50]

Should have picked the Gripen for sure. Same old tale a woe.

[@zuiderzee9141]

We hope those crazy Canucks buy the Gripen for one reason and one reason only… it looks rad.

[@leomarsden7951]

It’d be cool to see a European delta fly around North America :)

[@dreaminknight]

They are wellcomed at air shows ;-)

[@Callsign_Prophet]

Which is likely why they'll go with the F-35. Closer to home.

[@larrysteve7272]

I cant wait for the next fixed wing official module. The modding community is great and all, but its been a long time since we got a new module worthy of dog fighting.

[@PappyGunn]

The Gripen is so great Finland signed up for the Tempest program.

[@itsaflyboything]

Canada is actually allowed to buy 120D missiles, which would make for a very spicy matchup. we SHOULD buy gripens, they're simply the better solution for us. I just have this sinking feeling we're gonna end up with a bunch of fat amys. what would be really ideal is if we could buy both, because NATO missions/long range patrol/far north SAR doesn't require stealth, and we could potentially build a bunch of extra wings (in country no less) for gripens to soak up flight hours. what would be really spicy is if Boeing wants to kiss and make up with some F15EXs at bargain prices.

[@jkeelsnc]

It does make sense. Especially, Saab is willing to license and contract production in countries outside of Sweden which could be good for Bombardier, etc and the Canadian economy.

[@theflyinggasmask]

Mixing the F-35 with a substantial amount of Gripens would be the ultimate combo.

[@PandaMan-xy1he]

We absolutely shouldn’t. The Gripen is worse economically, performance-wise, range-wise, electronically, and in international operations. There is simply no reason to buy Gripens when F35s are cheaper per unit, and buying them allows for production of F35 parts here, which is far better economically than just assembling them here (Assembling, not building. Saab plans to send them over and just put them together here.)

[@bopp6964]

@@PandaMan-xy1he what?... Worse economically? Worse electronically? What do you know that we dont?

[@itsaflyboything]

@@PandaMan-xy1he I actually agree with you, if the price of F35s continues to go down it might become the better option in short order.

[@paulvohs9889]

@growling sidewinder, those AMRAAMs you're firing get up to some *ridiculously* high speeds... I think I saw the first one you fired in the first part of the tacview get up past mach 7.

[@danamacinnis3065]

Just wondering why you defend by turning left ? Do you always turn left to defend? What happens if you turn right? I know that you drop altitude to get in thicker air. My hunch is that you want to avoid a 2 circle fight but i have not figured out how always turning left would do that. All the best from Dana Mac in Vancouver, BC

[@Jinmarui]

Could you do F-35 vs Su-35 and F-35 vs Jas39? Any combination of BvR/Merge?

[@Archer89201]

When they put the Gripen in war thunder then we can learn about it's true capabilities like how one British tanker did with the Challenger MBT😆

[@drksideofthewal]

Can we see F-35 BVR next? I'm curious to see a scenario that plays to its strengths.

[@cujbaion1]

Gripen is one of few planes usable for supersonic(around Mach1 performance) fight due to its low aerodynamic parasitic drag. Other would be F16 if bigger engine, Eurofighter, Rafale, the non made F23, the future Su75 and old Mig21. So few ..

[@alpearson9158]

Gripen E speed mach 2 plus thus capable of interceptor role from small artic bases not so the slower and shorter ranged f35

[@shannon1267]

@6:29 why is there a “star of David” on the bottom of the box that tracks the enemy aircraft in your hud? Just curious. that’s a specific symbol just to be a “marker” or something idk. Does anyone know? please lemme know.

[@11leonidas11]

Love the video man, but one problem. The Grippen ECM actually works like this...

[@theus663]

The Gripen E uses a WAD though.

[@Callsign_Prophet]

In the modern age I'm a simp for the F-35 now that it's the same price as the gripen and useful for hostile air incursions

[@unnamedsomebodyintheuniver1761]

I just learned that the vaunted "Ghost of Kyiv" is actually Growling Sidewinder.

[@marty7442]

I think this is the first time in your DCS I have seen someone get into a circle-fight with an AMRAAM, and lose.

[@theflyinggasmask]

Best choice for ANY Air Force would be to have a few F-35 and truck load of Gripens.

[@Asghaad]

Gripen costs MORE than F-35 right now ...

[@rbrow039]

@@Asghaad source?

[@Asghaad]

@@rbrow039 google it yourself ffs ... il give you a litle hint, Finland just had a competition for a new jet fighter contract ... which F-35 won ...

[@matso3856]

@@Asghaad Warning 'internet expert' detected.

[@Asghaad]

@@matso3856 warning "a moron with nothing to say" detected xD

[@nixter57]

You seem to do well with single engine high performance fighters .. When are we gonna' see some su CheckMate action?? Some modernized JF-17 Thunder action would work WELL !!

[@Jarsia]

As a Canadian I'm torn on what plane we should get. On the one hand the Gripen is more suited to and cheaper per hour for the day to day operations during peace time, and it sounds like it could be a great boon to our aerospace industry. On the other hand, in the event of a major conflict, we'll need the F35 for our air force to be relevant in a meaningful way. Also it's the more future proofed option AFAIK.

[@roycooper1356]

Actually, the Gripen E is far more future proof, The passive STEALTH is even now Radar systems that can detect the F35.

[@Jarsia]

@@roycooper1356 I've said it before and I'll say it again, if stealth were as useless as posts like this claim, every major military wouldn't ne trying to develop and acquire stealth aircraft. Also the F35's capabilities go far beyond stealth.

[@deathdragon2283]

@@roycooper1356 the gripen is going to be irrelevant against peer threats within 2 decades. Stealth isn’t a simple yes or no, it’s a spectrum. It doesn’t make you invisible or undetectable, it just makes you a lot harder to detect. More importantly it makes it much harder for the enemy to maintain a track on you. This will ALWAYS be an advantage. As sensors improve they will be more able to pick up small signatures like those of stealth aircraft, but they will also get even better at detecting larger signatures even through heavy ECM. This means non stealth aircraft will need thousands of times as much jamming power as a stealth aircraft in order to survive, that’s just not feasible. There’s also the fact that the F-35 has far superior avionics to the gripen E. Better and larger radar More and better spread radar warning receivers Better ECM Better IR capabilities (DAS blows any IRST out of the water) better MAWS (DAS acts as a missile approach warning system) Integrated targeting pod Better datalinks Better everything really

[@IncognitoDiabetic]

Sick video

[@markstott6689]

I've said this before: US State Department pressure is likely to nudge Canada to buy the F-35. Plus for spares and repairs the US is right next door. In war getting support from Sweden is more problematic. The Atlantic could become an issue. Obviously that is negated if Canadian aircraft are stationed in Europe. Ideally I think they ought to buy a mix. Unfortunately I feel like that's unlikely. So to conclude, I suspect that the F-35 will be chosen.

[@matso3856]

Only problem here is that the Canadians are getting a JAS factory included in the price , why import when you can build something yourself ? But way more importantly you have access to the source code and can thus improve it to your settings , which the Americans are not sharing.

[@markstott6689]

@@matso3856 I didn't know that. It makes things a little more complicated/interesting.

[@sebatiandjurovic]

I really want the Gripen, it would create a ton of jobs in Canada that are much needed, especially for the skilled workers that have been laid off at Bombardier. Additionally, give a boost to other parts of the economy.

[@markstott6689]

@@sebatiandjurovic Do you have any idea when a decision is due?

[@sebatiandjurovic]

@@markstott6689 I'm unsure, seems like it'll be later this year. However, based on current events, political ties and other factors, I don't think we will get the SAAB; it really come down to the fact that the US has such a hold on Canada, and could essentially cut us out of working on variations and upgrades on the F35, which also provides us will many jobs already.

[@chefwarthog]

For my part…. I deplore that Canada dos’t build his plan by it self….. in the 60’s they were a head in aerospace with the Avro Arrow Canadien mis there chance with the cancelation of the programme…….

[@jamesd4013]

great video

[@cooldude5662]

Awesome!

[@Asghaad]

would be interresting to see F-35A and Gripen to go head to head in BVR here to really see what each of them offer against each other

[@matso3856]

As a big Gripen fan , I would predict F-35A would win unless pilot did something silly stupid.

[@Asghaad]

@@matso3856 as a not a fan of either (i dont like the concept of F-35 overall and my country is right now flying Gripen which i find lacking in almost every aspect to what actual top dogs can do) id say if the fight starts with no restrictions from long range as in real, the Grippen doesnt stand a chance. WVR they should be +- on par with F-35 having an edge in going in in CLEAN configuration while Gripen is being hampered by external stores but more importantly in BVR Gripen will have huge issues even locking the F-35 let alone providing reliable weapon solution against it. And thats assuming F-35 is using AMRAAMS, if its carrying Meteor ...

[@matso3856]

@@Asghaad ah so we are yet again comparing old Gripen against the latest, check. Glad your an internet expert sitting on not only old but classified information and spewing out predictions, got it.

[@Asghaad]

@@matso3856 does it have stealth capabilities ? ... yes/no ... in BVR stealth is a king, if you cant hold a lock on your enemy and he can on you, you lose its THAT simple. Secondly even the latest and greatest Gripen is inferior in every aspect to Typhoon and Rafale ... and id still rather sit in Stealth F-35 than in any of those two despite theyr performance advantage ... also you are kinda shooting yourself here "mocking" me about having "access to classified information" as if YOU have ... no bud, the Gripen went head to head against F-35 several times now in tenders and always LOST because its a dead end platform, shoving all those latest upgrades in it to try to make it competitive did NOT increase its chances, quite contrary, it took away its only actual advantage it had - it was budget option that could afford a bit more budgetarily constrained countries to purchase two Gripens for the cost of one Typhoon/Rafale/F-35... by going the route of competing on performance they threw that away and ended up costing MORE than Lightning does ... and noone will buy mid tier performance 4th gen plane over true 5th gen Stealth that can carry the same weapons, is loaded with the same or better avionics, networking systems and designed to be modular and upgradeable ... i dont like F-35, i think it compromises too much and took too long and cost too much to develop, BUT at this point when FINALLY the price per unit is coming down its absolute no-brainer for any NATO country to go with F-35 over anything other except for countries that produce the planes themselves like France and Germany. sadly Gripen ceded the "budget" market to F-16s, A/F-18s and possibly to the latest F-15EX for those that want actual performance non stealth plane. Gripen should have focused on optimizing production and cutting down costs, not trying to shove expensive tech to the platform that dont have performance to match the top tier and doesnt have utility of the lower performance but loaded with the latest tech + stealth F-35. the Stealth is the decisive factor here, if F-35 didnt have stealth, it would be interesting fight between the two, as it is its no contest...

[@matso3856]

@@Asghaad Never claimed that I had , but I find it funny that you double down on your expertise , I only pointed out what Growling Sidewinder mentioned in this clip. I do know basic stuff that isnt classified , and I also know there is a difference between models from the same company , I also know that in order to prevent a lockon one doesnt need stealthy airframes , growlers are one such option.

[@darrenvanderwilt1258]

Something to note; if Canada does get the Gripen, they’ll be building them under license. This allows them to modify/upgrade to their particular requirements during production.

[@johanlassen6448]

So basically if Canada gets the Gripen they will have to foot the bill for upgrades.

[@darrenvanderwilt1258]

All aircraft, civil or military, publicly or privately owned/operated, constantly require upgrades and modification’s throughout their service life, paid for by whoever owns/operates it at the time of the upgrade/modification. Some modifications are mandatory through national/international aviation administrative requirements, and others are elective. Regardless, the owner/operator “foots the bill.” They’re not like safety recalls on automobiles or appliances, where the manufacturer performs them at no or little cost to the owner. Look at it as purchasing a pickup truck, then deciding to install a lift kit. The owner pays. In the case of Canada building their own fleet of Saab 39’s under license, Canadair (the likely manufacturer who built military fighters for RCAF in the past) is state owned, giving Canada full control.

[@johanlassen6448]

@@darrenvanderwilt1258 The difference being that with the F-35 you have not only the US but an entire collective of economically large countries that can sponsor and fund continuous upgrades (i.e. the actual development costs which SAAB-wankers so conveniently forget) while sharing costs and experience/know-how while with the Gripen it will literally all fall on Canada to do it. Just a tiny detail you missed. As an example, throughout its career the Gripen has only received a handful of upgrades to its capabilities, most of them relating to software. Meanwhile its direct competitor, the F-16, has dozens of variants with different upgrades where customers are free to pick and choose which ones to install and without really having to go through the development themselves. This is for instance why the Gripen has such a limited weapons and pod variety.

[@darrenvanderwilt1258]

@@johanlassen6448 Not sure where you get the idea of cost and experience/know-how sharing not taking place based on platform. In fact, most western air forces and aircraft share the same subsystem components and hardware manufacturing subcontractors. They also routinely participate in joint operational training exercise programs. Their systems are all highly integratabtle with each other. Receiving/requiring fewer upgrades/revisions can mean that forward thinking was built in. Believe me, software upgrades, improvements, or modifications are far easier and less expensive than with hardware. Talking about development costs, the Lightning II-wankers seem easily willing to look aside at the massive cost overruns experienced by the F-35 program. The Gripen has had time to work out the kinks, while the F-35 still has a few more years to iron out.

[@johanlassen6448]

@@darrenvanderwilt1258 They do not. The concrete systems differ. If you want a new radar on the Gripen you need to develop a brand new radar. If you want a new IRST you need to develop a new one. If you want better sensor fusion you need to develop a new system. If you want a new datalink you need to develop that as well. None of those things are shared between platforms. Do you know how many engine upgrades the Gripen has ever received? One, when it switched from a lincense-built American engine to another license-built American engine. That engine-line however is dead. So what will happen if Canada decides that the Gripen needs a better engine in order to power more advanced systems? Well guess what: Canada will be fucked. Joint training has nothing to do with developing new systems. Its actually the other way around - the F-35 has gotten out of development hell and is now steadily getting cheaper, while the Gripen has been delayed repeatedly. Reality hits hard.

[@davidcraigie3871]

Prolly the chicom J20...you get my drift!

[@bitkarek]

luv the Grippen

[@RiddickHBG]

I don´t play DCS but quite like theese videos. but a quick question. Is this the Gripen C or E in the game? There´s quite a big difference.

[@swghavoc]

Great video! Tell me. Which DCS fourth-generation fighter is the King of the rate fight? And. Which DCS fourth-generation fighter is the King of the one circle? There can be only one! Fights on!

[@strikebr]

I would love to see a Gripen E version at DCS, with a WAD (wide area display) in the cockpit, and working as one.

[@tomas7158]

That Will never happend. And theres a simpel reason, $.

[@stevenholmes5099]

We've put so much into F35 development I'd be very surprised if they don't at least grab a few. Given tensions I'd imagine even if the maintenance and hourly costs are unpalatable

[@dat581]

The RCAF will buy 88 F-35s and no Gripens. Nobody wants the Gripen. It is nothing but a warmed over 1980's design with poor performance and it cannot do what the SAAB marketers claim.

[@beesmongeese2978]

@@dat581 It's a pity there's no in between...

[@plav032]

@@dat581 The Canadian Gov is PISSED at the Bombardier C series deal, so I think they're avoiding getting anything American made.

[@dhardy6654]

@@plav032 what is the bombardier C deal?

[@kohlshu8979]

@@dat581 not to mention the f35 is cheaper lmfao

[@SidiVici]

Battle of the mods 😁