Safety Pilot Flying with Air Traffic Controller - Mooney M20 - IFR status VLOG #6

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I am a "weekend warrior" private pilot, I fly for fun with no intentions of going commercial. I have had my PPL for over 15 years, but still consider each flight a learning experience - I generally take detailed notes after each flight to remind myself what went well or what I could do to improve.... Having the GoPro cameras to record flights like this is invaluable. I find these self analysis videos very helpful in my constant quest to improve, and am happy to share. Feedback is invited; however, please keep it positive.

[@ripper8771]

« IFR is a perishable skill » I totally agree!

[@martinpauly]

There is so much we pilots can learn from controllers - and vice versa. And your video is proof that it can be fun! - Martin

[@kimberlyweathington7763]

Martin Pauly hi

[@The_R_Vid]

The time you spend editing is evident in your consistently high quality productions. Very much looking forward to the build series. Cheers from YYC.

[@UAL1kFlyer]

I just flew across Ontario, Quebec and over the Prince Edward Island (PEI) last month. Videos like this gave me confidence to do that as a PPL American. NAV Canada are awesome. They are super cool even when you're flying with an N-number.

[@fzw0011]

You may have heard this already but if you want the prop distortion (at 2:40) to go away, a neutral density filter is really helpful

[@duncanreed7932]

This may have been covered by another person, but if tower is going to extend your downwind on a circle, you can always climb up to Cat D or E mins and extend your distance to 2.3 or 4.5 miles of protected airspace. Obviously, you will still need the ceiling and vis to support that.

[@jochentreitel7397]

you both are great to fly with - calm, precise, alert...

[@Jonay1990]

Finally a "back to your roots" flying video. Please more of these

[@gfavaria]

Loved it! Thank you!!! I'm also getting my IFR rating here in Chile. I'm almost done. Love this IFR series.

[@rogergusty1722]

FlightChops ..... you get everywhere ..... glad I caught up with your latest video. Fantastic and very educational. Thank you.

[@flyingfiddler90q]

I'm in Detroit a lot for work, so coming over to see the RV project would be awesome.

[@robbydooo]

I could listen to you guys talk all day about this stuff. Great video as per usual!

[@CAPFlyer]

Great video again. I find it funny that Steve calls the other controllers by name. Here in the US, the few times I hear ATC saying "hi", they always seem to use their operating initials just out of habit.

[@adrenalinowner7992]

I am enjoying these videos as a non pilot i find it helps me learn the terms as I look more into this...

[@jordanworm6923]

I’m really enjoying watching the status vlogs! Ads a different style of content to the channel that I really think compliments the other work you have

[@thesawch63]

Cool you are in St Hubert filming the DTD project . Can't wait till you post the video on it !!

[@Wolficorntv]

Nice hat Steve!

[@TheKevintegra19]

Great to have the controllers POV...

[@TheCanadianBubba]

Why ? when i never intend to fly as a pilot, do i find enjoyment watching these ? I can honestly say it does not feel irrelevant, or like wasted time. Thank you for posting !

[@bryand8605]

He just read that clearance back without writing a thing. Next level.

[@julianbooth2536]

Great video!!! thankyou, would love to see some more with the MOONEY!! Only as I am a fellow Mooney pilot!

[@bryankahl3514]

would love to see more videos with Avidyne!

[@Kraftsman09]

Even though you have a Sid in the us at some small satellite airports depending on the airspace the Sid is non compliant because of radar vectors to keep you out of commercial traffic. This is very true for military aircraft.

[@av8rk9]

I appreciated the banter and question about what PIC had in mind and decisions coming up ... well done

[@theflightsimboy4310]

Nice video as always ! I've never seen this bird from the inside, it looks good!

[@acrosby2117]

@Stephen Newman. (repost) I believe each pilot has to use his/her own judgement and interpretations. Some commercial pilots log all their VFR "Flight Time" as "Actual Instrument Time". That's not right but they do it anyway. As a GA pilot I use "Air Time" in a Redbird for logging the 6-6-6 for " Ground Instrument Time". Some say you need an instructor, but no you don't if you have a current IFR rating. If I am in the real aircraft, I use foggles and a safety "pilot", (emphasis on pilot) not my unqualified friend. I then log "Simulated Instrument Time" for the time between putting the foggles/hood on and off. Some pilots I know also log "Simulator Time" (not simulated instrument time) and "IFR Time" which is the time they are in the IFR System. That is why I say each pilot must use their own judgement, so I wouldn't worry about any criticism. I also liked the video because there is always something that happens that spoils your plan. It is great to see how a professional handles it. What I didn't hear in the video was mention of cold weather corrections to altitudes. That's my $.02 for feedback. Great job.

[@robbieguldi602]

Another Flightchops upload that I wasn’t on the ball for...that’s 2 in a row! always excited for your videos...thanks Steve!

[@ackack612]

Now THAT was an info packed vid. I liked that one a lot! Very nice.

[@philipnaida]

VHF reception range is 1.23 * sqrt(altitude AGL)

[@TheDuckofDoom.]

protected area in the USA is off of the center-line (ending at the thresholds) the result is a similar shape.

[@shoop4040]

This is great, I love to watch your videos . I love it also when you have this type of video when flying with a ATController his mannerism on the radio comm is awesome .

[@h0ll1s]

I love these videos!!! Gives me a great insight into different operations and continue to encourage me to learn!

[@harmandeepsingh6598]

Love you work brother. Love from India.

[@nealhere]

Awesome thanks for all your hard work!

[@Bentz5000]

Epic stuff as usual Chops, thanks for sharing. Steven is a goldmine of aviation knowledge! When is he starting his own KZbin channel? ;) Cheers.

[@gustavomedina8840]

Mariachi Hat at minute 16:03 Great !!!!!!! Greets from México.

[@tesladrivingdad8617]

That was terrific!

[@jamesyoungblood555]

Outstanding flight and a whole lot of information. Thanks so much. Shalom

[@andrewwalker9368]

Loved it! Thank you! Cheers!

[@chrisnorris1079]

@Flightchops Thank you for your videos, amazing production. Just one comment though, you have mentioned a few times about the RV14 and 'IFR platform'. I absolutely love the Vans aircraft! However, I would strongly urge you to speak with some long term RV owners about flying in instrument conditions. The issue is simply, they are slippery aircraft and will build speed very fast in a dive. In IMC that carries the need for an awareness that it can very easily get away from you if you become distracted. I do not own an RV however have had a conversation with an RV owner who has himself built 3 RV's over the years. He had a conviction that RV's are really VFR only aircraft. Anyway, no doubt this is something you have already considered.

[@SpicyTrifongo]

Ahh the video is still warm from the oven.

[@goatflieg]

I should have made it to that Chili cookoff, huh? Fun hearing you calling Selfridge Approach... I'll be washing one of their museum aircraft (Beech 18/SNB) there this month as part of EAA Chapter 113's Adopt-A-Plane volunteer work. More news... I'll send you an email.

[@dancoll2544]

Another amazing video thanks! A little biased as YQG is my home base.

[@challenger2ultralightadventure]

Steve! Love your toque! Made me laugh!

[@jamielancaster01]

I love that hat!

[@planecents9170]

Awesome video Flight Chops! You have inspired me to start recording my flights. I just posted my first video yesterday! If you are ever in the west Michigan area let me know. I am also working on my instrument ticket. So these updates are great.

[@Dulee100]

thanx for the video.

[@DavidReese2ndA]

We Owned an M-20.... It had Fabric covered wings.... N6043X.. I looked it up. it's in Texas Now!

[@shaunvan4569]

Great video Thank you both.

[@480pilot]

Always in buddy! Great video!

[@d0minat0r5411]

Please come to Alaska!

[@ForFunFlyer]

Nice one, Steve!

[@abbieamavi]

*reason I'm scared of ATC: I got a phone number from them when I was a student pilot, and they're also the only people I know who talk faster than me* 😂😂😂 EDIT: all that being said, I love ATc and all they do to keep us safe! Skies wouldn't be the same without them! ✈️

[@sergiorodriguez8114]

Hey Flight chops! Great Video!.. Curious about the regs in Canada.. Is a view limiting device needed in this case to remain IFR current? Love these Instrument vids.. Keep them coming! Thanks

[@blschneider]

That hat, though!

[@bryankahl3514]

Love it!! I see Avidyne IFD440!! how are you liking it?

[@penguin11111917]

Are we just going to ignore that hat? 😂

[@thesteveprichard]

Two socks sewn together?

[@martijn9568]

Nope

[@mcgee6177]

Was he wearing it as a joke or does he legitimately like wearing a sock hat?

[@thesteveprichard]

@@martijn9568 Are you sure? It sure looks like two socks to me.

[@PaulGarthAviation]

I was initially thinking, "that's a sock hat...", and then went into disbelief...

[@jeffkopher3468]

I want the bubble top chipmunk!

[@B767-3.]

He built his own ‘stratux’ and it works because l’ve also built one too.

[@helnoSA]

He has one of the first 10000 since we changed the logo on the case after that.

[@fekete6368]

Great insight in this video Steve. So true about staying IFR "sharp" without constant practice -- a concern of mine as well, having just received the rating. When do you take your IFR check ride Steve?

[@sixtoes2313]

PLANE SAVERS !

[@1shARyn3]

Biggest impediment to building (besides money) is the wait times between ordering a subkit and shipping (weeks to months in the queue) [[ airframe subkits == months; avionics and engines == weeks ]] (( Heads Up -- might bend your schedule ))

[@danp1975]

Amazing video, trying to make an offline copy to listen to while travelling but not able to download using RealDownloader. Anyone else have the same problem?

[@Sonally4ever]

1:16 What? 6 hrs and 6 approaches within 6 months?; You Canadians are lucky. Down here in the U.S. while I don't think there's a minimum hrs rule (I'll have to double check that.), there is a minimum of 6 holds, 6 course intercepts and 6 miss-approaches in addition to the approaches themselves. Otherwise it an Instrument Proficiency every six months. Anyway good luck on your instrument rating; you're much farther ahead then I've ever gotten at the time of this post.

[@yamacat4010]

In America, you have to simulate or be in actual instrument conditions all the way to the final approach fix to log it as an approach for currency. Is that not the case in Canada? Great content!!

[@stuka101]

How long does it take to get IFR rating in Canada...? 2 months since you've done your written!

[@SRRC245]

Just did my first hour of foggle work today for privates. It’s harder than yalls think

[@smartycummins2500]

S-I-R-R Productions it gets easier. Everyone says the instrument rating is very difficult, I found it to be the exact opposite.

[@SRRC245]

smartycummins2500 Ah thanks !

[@bbgun061]

smartycummins2500 the actual flying isn’t difficult. Staying ahead of the plane while navigating and communicating is.

[@smartycummins2500]

Benjamin Brooks especially when you’re single pilot IFR with no auto pilot

[@bbgun061]

@@smartycummins2500 Absolutely!

[@benmartz3405]

Why am i watching this if you are not gonna include those things? Never limit yourself when it comes to $$. It's been real.

[@racko651]

What's that god aweful alarm going off for the whole trip

[@bbgun061]

It’s horribly annoying.

[@C172Pilotdude]

Can you do a video on how to start a flying channel ?

[@FlightChops]

Honestly... no. That sort of content only targets a very small number of people, and it is actually very hard to explain "how" to do this in general terms - every one needs to find their own unique voice and figure out how to tell their story.

[@SmittySmithsonite]

Great stuff as always, Steve! 👍👍 Question - what is it about a Mooney that I always read that it's "challenging" for a beginner to fly?

[@Ohdub1]

Mooneys aren't hard to fly, but they don't make good primary trainers as they are fast and have the added complexity of a constant speed prop and retractable gear. Some people do learn to fly in them but, I think it would be easier to learn in a slower, less complex airplane so that you have more time to think and fewer things to think about.

[@SmittySmithsonite]

@@Ohdub1 - Makes sense, Stephen - thank you!

[@ryanisflying]

Great video Steve! Was wondering if you could ask your ATC buddy a quesiton for me (or maybe you know the answer)? If I wanted to get a low approach in my C172, over a runway at CYYZ (inactive - to avoid holding up anyone), what would be the best way to go about requesting that? Try calling Toronto centre/approach well ahead of time? Maybe on the ground over the phone to coordinate a time that works for them? There's more then one way to skin a cat but since you have an ATC buddy i'd like to know his thoughts on this as well as yours. Any help is appreciated. Cheers! Ryan

[@nicolasrivas4682]

Can anybody explain to me how to use the thing that his altimeter has ? It's some kind of reminder only or does it have some other use? My airplane has the same spinning Mark's in front of the altimeter and couldn't find the use on internet. Thanks and great video as always steve! Greetings from Argentina !!

[@joedillon159]

I’m not a pilot but curious if all the chatter not concerning the flight is normal. It’s very distracting and I wonder if normal especially on a ifr flight. Respect to you all.

[@coryt490]

Can a safety pilot in Canada log PIC in the same ways as the US?

[@AndreaBorgia]

What is that white box with two antennas stuck to a back window?

[@Ohdub1]

It's a Stratux dual band ADS-B receiver

[@minecrafter4623]

Another vid 😀👍👍👍👍👍

[@arnarbi]

Is that a tiny bluetooth keyboard in his lap (e.g. @3:01)?

[@Ohdub1]

Yes it's for the Avidyne IFD440

[@kkrriikk24]

Is that a keyboard on Steve's lap? Any chance you can ask what kind it is?

[@satyris410]

I used to use this Bluetooth keyboard and mouse pad combo for controlling my laptop when it's plugged into the TV. Typing is a bit of a pain but gets the job done. Mouse pad is excellent however. As a tool fitted to its purpose it is excellent. It also has a backlight you can turn on. smile.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00BX0YKX4

[@Ohdub1]

It's the Bluetooth keyboard for the Avidyne IFD440 - the panel mounted gps

[@kkrriikk24]

That is awesome. Thanks!

[@tracyrreed]

You need 6 hours of IFR/hood time in Canada every 6 months? Holy crap! So you need to fly for 6 hours minimum to get IFR current? That seems rather unreasonable.

[@jeffdo9195]

The charge an ATC usage fee in Canada correct?

[@Ohdub1]

There is an annual fee for registered aircraft owners. It's about $70/year/aircraft for all the ATC/FSS service you want

[@jeffdo9195]

Still free for us In the US

[@saratogapilot6100]

We pay for ATC services through federal fuel taxes. The more you fly, the more horsepower you fly with, the more you pay for ATC services. (For us single engine piston guys, probably a LOT more than the annual Canadian fees).

[@adamcaswell1924]

Sorry but what’s a SID?

[@Ohdub1]

Standard Instrument Departure. It's a published departure procedure.

[@adamcaswell1924]

Ahhhh, thanks!

[@donkeydonk96]

C

[@rammstein1903]

Does his Stratux work well with his Foreflight?a

[@Ohdub1]

Yes it does

[@rammstein1903]

@@Ohdub1 Thanks and thank you for sharing knowledge and experience. Its appreciated.

[@waynejohn8]

Nice giant sock on you head!

[@charlesmckenna6164]

I’m surprised Canada lets you count an approach towards your currency if you’re not under the hood. Nice video as always. Get your IR and stop making videos about it....:)

[@rhyzoc]

Gond video, but if your going to practice ifr then you need to be under the hood. Pretending not to look outside is just fooling yourself. If you want to become a good ifr pilot then you need to fly as close to real conditions as possible even when in vmc conditions.

[@gianpaolodipietro7825]

First :)

[@minecrafter4623]

GianPaolo Dipietro real fans of a channel don’t say first.

[@gianpaolodipietro7825]

@@minecrafter4623 Real fans watch the video and don't care what people in the comments say

[@minecrafter4623]

GianPaolo Dipietro I watched the video. But you feel like u gotta scroll down to comments as soon as you click and leave a comment “fIrSt!”

[@minecrafter4623]

Also content creators strongly dislike it, it’s annoying.

[@brianparkman8183]

If he is doing this to actually be legally current he is fooling himself and may as well just be pencil whipping his logbook. There is no way you can do this and not either be under the hood or in actual. And then partial panel with no hood on? Ridiculous. I love your videos, but not sure I would have posted this one. He's skirting the rules here.

[@midlifeflyer]

You ask an interesting question. In the US, the rule is, you must be using a view-limiting device in visual conditions to count for instrument currency (proficiency is a separate question). Is the rule the same or different in Canada? I don't know, but I have heard a few different variations through the years.

[@Ohdub1]

I don't disagree with you, I normally wear a hood to practice. As it turned out, this was the first nice VFR day that we'd had in a long time and it was a weekend so everyone was out flying. The decision was made that since I had just flown a bunch of approaches a few days earlier that I would go without the hood to better be able to watch for traffic - there was a lot of it.

[@sergiorodriguez8114]

@@Ohdub1 @ 1:12 in the video, I quote.. " point of today's flight was to keep my IFR current." I can see why people are bringing up the view limiting device. 🤔

[@acrosby2117]

@@Ohdub1 I believe each pilot has to use his/her own judgement and interpretations for instrument currency. Some commercial pilots log all their VFR "Flight Time" as "Actual Instrument Time". That's not right but they do it anyway. As a GA pilot I use "Air Time" in a Redbird for logging the 6-6-6 for " Ground Instrument Time". Some say you need an instructor, but you don't if you have a current IFR rating. If I am in the real aircraft, I use foggles and a safety "pilot", (emphasis on the word pilot) not my unqualified friend. I then log "Simulated Instrument Time" for the time between putting the foggles/hood on and off. Some pilots I know also log "Simulator Time" (not simulated instrument time) and "IFR Time" which is the time that there are in the IFR System. This is why I say each pilot must use their own judgement, so I wouldn't worry about any criticism on what you did. I also liked the video because there is always something that happens that spoils your plan. It is great to see how a professional handles it. What I didn't hear in the video was mention of cold weather corrections. That's my $.02 for feedback. Great job. I'll have to watch more of these.