S2E03 Study Plans Available for the Wave Rover 6.50 || Questions Answered by the WR 650 Architect

[@MaShcode]

I got a chance to sail on a junk-rigged boat once. I was immediately struck by the ease of setting the sails and the overall comfort and stability. While not fast it was highly maneuverable. In fact we got used to almost always sailing into and off anchor, even marinas. 😊 Rarely was the outboard deployed. Really look forward to seeing how this develops! Excellent interview btw.

[@RoversAdventure]

Thank you for that Mr. Code

[@mattevans-koch9353]

Great interview and a good window into the designer/customer relationship. Thank you Alan and Andy for sharing this part of the process. Looking forward to seeing the new build get started. Have a great weekend all.

[@RoversAdventure]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@mattmitchell5844]

I just launched my back yard boat, 15’ Phoenix III, this weekend. The build was a fun process and the payoff of sailing her was even better. Good luck with Wave Rover.

[@stewtube1240]

That was an awesome interview ! It gives more insight and understanding into the build now . Thank you !

[@RoversAdventure]

Very welcome

[@Eli_Lee_nVT]

Just ordered a copy of the study plans; can't wait to see how this project comes together!

[@RoversAdventure]

Thank you!

[@kenfraser468]

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[@tmwhatif8630]

Very interested in following your progress for the Wave Rover 6.5. Thank you for taking use along with your channel!

[@RoversAdventure]

I'm happy to report that I'm now in the building stage having just started the Strong back, I'll be showing that in the next video

[@mzungu4770]

Loving this new plan. Was thinking about your windvane yesterday. Have you thought about incorporating a man overboard tether and spring that would centre the windvane and turn the boat into the wind - like the emergency kill switch on boat engines?

[@RoversAdventure]

That's a great idea, will start thinking about it.

[@robingraham6820]

Hi Tim and Alan. This is a subject I have given plenty thought to over the years. Man overboard for a single handed sailor is unlikely to end well. All of the equipment available requires at least one other person to bring the boat back to the casualty. Not much good to the single handler. I have an absolute rule, I leave a lifeline attached in the cockpit and attach the other end to myself before my torso exits the hatch and it doesn’t come off until my torso is safely back in the cabin. If I need to go forward I take a second lifeline and secure myself as I go, always attached by at least one line. However that does not answer the question. If you go over the side without a life line it is game over. If you go over the side attached by a lifeline, you will be dragged through the water and need super human strength to climb back on board. One solution might be to devise some sort of trigger mechanism to the lifeline anchor point that would activate a release for your drogue which would be mounted on the transom and arranged as carefully as a skydiver folds his or her parachute. Once the boat stops you will only need to climb the boarding ladder that you fitted to the transom for this very occasion. If you are a whizz with electronics, you might be able to rig up some kind of gizmo that could release the drogue activated by a gizmo attached to yourself that triggers when it gets wet or you press the button. I bet one of your subscribers could come up with some simple electronic solution. Food for thought.

[@alexforget]

could a man overboard rope pull out the drogue rope to stop the boat?

[@ladyrita3667]

Intresting. Can't wait to see the keels

[@pjorgerod522]

Hello, so happy to follow all this amazing dream. Big hug, Paul

[@RoversAdventure]

Many thanks!

[@pozorene8772]

Excellente vidéo, très très intéressante. Le bateau est super, la construction est magnifique 👍

[@robertnewman1341]

Having sailed a Newbridge Coromandel (junk rig) for a couple of years, I found the control line that moved the rig fore and aft relative to the mast made keeping the boat tracking a revelation, compared to a Bermudan rig. After a mishap with the tiller, sailed 10 miles on a broad reach just using a 4 inch rudder stock.

[@RoversAdventure]

Should be a breeze to balance.

[@huntsail3727]

Loved the interview, and the detailed answers. Great job.

[@RonPike]

Just bought the plans and long live Phil Bolger inspired boats!!!

[@SVhardtack]

Interesting hearing from the minds behind the design. Looking forward to seeing it come together.

[@RoversAdventure]

You and me both!

[@jepomer]

Just purchased my copy of the study plans.

[@iave3151]

Ahoy Mr Rover! I have followed up to date with the framing, but thought I would come back to this point to comment. I have gone from wanting to buy a sailboat to wanting to build one, primarily because the elements I have researched are very hard to find for sale, mainly that wonderful junk rig. For safe, easy, solo sailing it seems hard to beat and the low cost and easy maintenance/repair make it a winner for me. I have also been very interested in the twin bilge keel. When discussing these elements with sailor mates they all seem to dismiss them offhand, whether out of lack of knowledge or interest is hard to tell. Seems I should only choose a Bermudan in excess of 30ft, with roller furler and a deep or long keel, so I would like to extend my sincere thanks to both yourself and Mr Dize for laying out why these elements work on this boat so well. It's almost my perfect cruiser too, but I am 6'1" tall so a bit more headroom is needed for extended cruising. I will definitely be watching the build closely, and would like to extend gratitude for lessons being learned while I do. Thank you greatly! As soon as I can get back to UK (stuck in SA with covid travel bans) I will be purchasing the study plans along with those for a few similar boats (Swaggie 18, Tasman 24 etc) to try and get a broader understanding of the design elements. Being a fisherman and surfer, I definitely need to accommodate these things into my boat... Thanks again

[@RoversAdventure]

Great comment and good luck getting back to the UK. If only you had a WR 650 you could sail back, lol. My first 2 boats were sloops but I have been convinced to try a Junk rig. Everything is pointing me in that direction. My priorities are safety, reliability, minimalism, frugality, and ease of building and use. Remember that you only need to sit down and sleep in the cabin.

[@iave3151]

@@RoversAdventure Ha, a WR650 would help indeed, but it would take me to Madagascar and onwards towards Thailand first :) apparently sailing to UK is still off, there's a solo sailor from England stuck in Durban Harbour waiting to leave, been there almost 2 years now, rather mad. To try and shorten a long story in the midst of the pandemic I realised I need to move on from an off grid house I have been trying to build on the SA east coast, for several reasons (financial constraints caused by pandemic merely the last straw), so sitting in lockdown formulating a new plan I decided it was time to go sailing, as the only thing better than a house on the beach is a home on the water ;). Decided I wanted to go solo. I have some sailing experience, but not enough so leapt into research having much time to hand. I came across your Atlantic trip on your tessa and was very inspired by this, and learned a great deal, thank you. I share the minimalist mantra, and the legendary Mr Sven Yrvind's manifesto put any doubts about small boat cruising to bed. The JRA and a little piece titled the 50 advantages of a junk rig made this the rig of choice for me. I feel cruisers are reticent to use the junk simply because it not in mass production and look forward to seeing many more out there proving the doubters wrong. Having also been intrigued by the twin bilge I felt like the WR650 was being designed for me ;) As I say stowage for 2 surfboards min, a fishing ski and attendant accessories may make her a touch too small, and being able to stand up straight in the cabin in inclement weather would be a bonus, so I may look into some revisions before I get started, but am eagerly awaiting the next installment of WR650. Crack on Mr Rover, and many thanks for all the amazing content, lessons, and inspiration IA

[@JeanClaudeNoel]

Just bought the study plan. It's a beautiful boat. A few observations: 1) the rudder skeg looks sturdy 2) the portion of the rudder below the water line is relatively deep but not very wide. Is this to help with the steering vane? 3) Boom is relatively high and completely out of the cockpit. A good safety feature for a solo sailer..4) How long/high is the space below the boom, between the mast and the companionway. That is were the dinghy should go while under way, I think. 5) I love the moderate heeling (10-15), the improve tracking and the roll dampening of the bilge keel and the fact the boat will be balanced. Will it heave to easily? 6) Stern chain plates location/size/material/installation should be include in the plans. 7) I love the flotation foam and all things in the design that will insure that the boat will right itself.

[@Itssmial_Ova]

I have purchased and downloaded the studyplans, However this will be my first solo build and I'm hoping that a more complete buildguide comes out soon! I'm in the southern hemisphere but I'd love to be apart of the WaveRover Flotilla @ the Azores

[@heididavies1129]

Plan looks great and does the scale etc. Please number each video consecutively so we can catch up with progress. Cheers, ChrisD

[@RoversAdventure]

Good idea, will do.

[@roberthegarty5640]

Thanks for that. A great video. It was really good to actual hear what Andy Dize had to say about the design. I have just bought a copy of the study plans and I am looking forward to the build process. I would love to join the fleet but I am afraid I am on the wrong hemisphere for a quick trip.

[@RoversAdventure]

Perhaps you can meet up a little further on in the circumnavigation

[@barbarianlife]

Bilge keel? From experience, I can tell you that the grandson (me) will be sent under the boat at low tide to clean and apply fresh antifoul. In the cold, in the wet and all whilst grandpa is at the Ship Pub having a few pints. :)

[@RoversAdventure]

I can just imagine.

[@tomwaite4594]

Great interview with Andy Diaz. You two make a great team and I know the Wave Rover 650 will meet the very practical mission statement after seeing this interview. I just purchased the study plans and thinking about clearing out the garage as I wait for Christmas and the construction plans. We'll done to both of you! "JOSHUA CHALLENGE 2023 HALIFAX TO AZORES "

[@RoversAdventure]

Looking forward to seeing you with your WR 650 in Halifax.

[@refittingreverie7992]

Great conversation, thanks for sharing!

[@RoversAdventure]

Thanks for listening

[@ricks6250]

I've been using a "10hp equivalent" Hankai electric on my Paceship PY23 and it's excellent even in heavy winds. I can do just under hull speed at 5.5 knots. I have about 120AH of lifepo4 battery and I've used it for 3 hours without even getting it down by 1/3rd. Consider using the battery as ballast for the centerboard.

[@RoversAdventure]

Thanks for sharing!

[@ladyrita3667]

Mr Rover. What about grounding for lightening protection? Will you connect the mast to the keels?

[@RoversAdventure]

Having discussed the issue with the architect he recommended exactly what you suggested.

[@Dlgeis]

I love your concept. Would it be beneficial to bring the keels to the point of the bullet at the forward end so as to decrease the chance of catching a fisherman’s pot rope and possibly deflect rather than catch other underwater objects?

[@RoversAdventure]

Yes, in fact I mentioned that to Andy and we are going to amend that. Good eye

[@romeawde8276]

Study plans in hand, thanks. Any thoughts on what the full plan set might cost?

[@RoversAdventure]

Not sure yet and it will really be Andy's call but I have been encouraging him to keep the cost very reasonable so as not be a barrier to entry, but at the same time he needs to be compensated for his work.

[@randomtraveler3363]

Had a quick look at the study plans, looks good. One question, is it anticipated that some of the building frames will actually be the bulkheads in the finished boat. A similar construction method is being used for the new Class Mini Global 580.

[@RoversAdventure]

No, we are following a different method. After the hull is made the frames and bulkheads will be added. This gives me a nice open space to fillet and tab the inside of the chines continuously from stem to stern.

[@stephenberry6755]

Very exciting. What will the safe carrying capacity of the boat be? This number is critical for long passages.

[@RoversAdventure]

We are still refining the amount of ballast but the capacity should be in the 1200-1500lbs range

[@bchi521]

Great video, I want to build one too.

[@Bruin4Life]

Just watched a video of the Junk sailing boat MingMing which typically sails the North Atlantic Ocean above the Arctic Circle which looks to be about the same length as Wave Rover 6.5 or your Contessa 26 Wave Rover. There were things about it that I liked better than the Contessa 26 and Wave Rover 6.5 and things about the interior design of the Contessa and the Wave Rover 6.5 that I liked better than on the MingMing. I know that small boats are wet boats but it seemed like the MingMing had less water over the bow and stern than the Contessa 26. It’s must be a design of the hull which I didn’t see.

[@RoversAdventure]

The Contessa 26 has very low freeboard. She wasn't designed for ocean crossings but having said that several have crossed oceans. The WR 650 will have almost 3' of freeboard making her a better and drier sea boat than the Contessa IMHO.

[@Robert-pi6vs]

Good information and video, good luck. I just might build one if not to complicated, and sail around the nine island of Azores .

[@RoversAdventure]

Go for it! I'll even sail to the Azores.

[@Robert-pi6vs]

Hello wave rover Captain, i just phoned up for a sailing course and get the basic of sailing and trade winds, GPS ,Chartplotters, emergency phone, ect .this silly lockdown and this phoney plandemic is not for me or airports b.s after 30 years long haul o/o and 40 below weather this is going to be new way to go on holidays when I want , but anyway captain in mean time i just keep watching and waiting to see you and Andy Dize the Naval architect design or blueprint, if it works i be going across the pond or down to cape verde when ever i need to. PS the the group that discovered the Americans were Templars that's why the big red cross was on the sails anyway enough me take care Captain and keep eating your fresh eggs my wife and I do the same thing .

[@RoversAdventure]

@@Robert-pi6vs Good luck on the sailing course and perhaps I'll see you on the high seas .

[@Robert-pi6vs]

Thanks Captain.

[@randomtraveler3363]

Order plans and I'll be studying them and watching the build. 9mm ply is good, my Tiki 38 is mostly 9 mm with 18 mm bulkheads, and it's crossed an ocean too.

[@RoversAdventure]

Log out and log in again. There are still 46 plans left and the price hasn't changed and it won't during the fundraiser.

[@randomtraveler3363]

@@RoversAdventure all sorted now.thanks

[@RoversAdventure]

BTW, the second boat that I built was a Tiki 26.

[@fredbalster3100]

Have a fiberglass mold of your boat Hull made. So people could buy the hull. That could finance your trip and give a real edge for the home boat builder.

[@RoversAdventure]

We spoke with a boat builder who reckons that he needs 10 orders to make a mold pay. It's on the back burner for now but not forgotten. Thanks for the input.

[@michaelkiernan9082]

Question: can you use this concept to produce an outboard powered version without the bilge keels and mast?

[@RoversAdventure]

Possible. We will be making the updated plans available before Christmas

[@BuildFixGo]

Bought a set of study plans. Going to build a boat someday, maybe this will be the one

[@RoversAdventure]

You will see me complete this project on this channel over the next several months. That should help with the decision.

[@stephencifka4629]

This is such a great channel. By the way, what is the music credit? Love the cello.

[@RoversAdventure]

Cooper Cannell: Drunken Sailor. I love this version of what is a pretty traditional sea shanty.

[@Jeraestone]

aha ! Now I can tell who Andy and Alan Are ...just Watched a "Cookup" in the Atlantic of Eggs a la Peche 👍🎬🛠️

[@nathanielturner5689]

I wonder if the plans or study plans are still available, I could not find them of etsy

[@RoversAdventure]

They are being updated. I will make an announcement when they are ready

[@everwind5691]

How do you heave to in a Junk rig? I would think that would be important in a blue water boat.

[@StormSignal]

Define what you mean by "heaving to" please.

[@everwind5691]

@@StormSignal Heaving to is what you do to balance the boat in a storm or heavy winds. You backwind the foresail. (Often you tack and do not release the jib sheet) Then trim the main and turn into the wind. The two forces oppose one another and it calms the boat down allowing for a gentle drifting motion in heavy seas or winds. You basically drift with the wind and current but the boat is a lot less rocky.

[@StormSignal]

@@everwind5691 Sloop or Schooner?

[@everwind5691]

@@StormSignal This works very well on a traditional Bermuda rigged sloop. However it should work with any fore and aft rigged sail boat.

[@StormSignal]

@@everwind5691 To best answer your question: "Heaving to in extreme weather is not particularly helpful, safe or effective in modern boats. It works best with a straight stem and a long keel, not often found these days. The equivalent manoeuvre is to continue to sail to windward, but under very much reduced sail area, so that speed is so low that the keel stalls and you make a lot of leeway, therefore making good a course across the wind. On two masted junk rigs - schooners and ketches - they can be "hove to" in this way by backing the foresail. First reef the sails to an appropriate size for the conditions, then tie a line around the sheeting bundle and lead it to the weather side (there are other ways, all with their own adherents) One sail- sloop - reef the sail and haul it hard amidships. The bermudan sloop sail plan requires there to be two sails in operation for helm balance. With mainsail alone, the centre of area is too far aft, and the boat will only try to round up into the wind if the sail is full of wind. The foresail is needed to balance the drive of the main - one sail driving forwards, one sail driving backwards - and also to put the resultant force in the right place relative to the hull. This is exactly the same situation as with a junk schooner or ketch. With a single junk sail, it is placed on the hull further forward than the bermudan mainsail, such that helm balance is possible. Actually, it would be more accurate to describe a single junk sailed boat as fore-reaching, which might be defined as sailing to windward very inefficiently, with too little sail area and with that area sheeted too hard so that it pulls the boat sideways. So the keel stalls out, and the boat is making a little way forwards and a lot more way than usual sideways. The nett result is the same as with a two-sailed boat, hove-to. We are lying steadily, not thrashing too hard into a head sea, not rolling violently as we would when lying a-hull, and not moving too fast in any direction. The junk schooner or ketch will fore-reach as well, rather than being hove-to, if the foresail is not pulled up to weather. Let's be clear what both of these techniques are for: they make it possible to stop the boat, to wait for any reason, to think about what to do next, to cook, eat, navigate and do maintenance, in greater comfort when the sea is rough. But not, with modern boat types, as a way of surviving very heavy weather, just as a way of achieving a bit of comfort in moderately heavy weather." David Tyler, one of the most competent and extensive Western Junk Rig ocean sailors I know. "When heaving to with a junk rig, there are a variety of methods you can use. If you are heaving to in order to time a light, check the chart, put on your oilies (if you happen to be hand-steering) or anything else that only takes a few moments, the easiest method is simply to let the sheets fly. If you happen to be running at the time, bring the wind onto the beam and set the self-steering appropriately. To heave to for any length of time in light winds, the easiest thing is to sheet the sails in as hard as they will go and leave the helm free. Obviously all boats are different,but on Badger my schooner-rigged, 34ft dory, this would have the effect of the boat sitting docilely in the water, more-or-less head to wind. Sometimes she would tack herself back and forth and if this was a nuisance, I could either let the foresail sheet fly or drop that sail. If I were heaving to to wait on daylight, I would probably adopt the hard-sheeted method, but with 2 or three reefs dropped in each sail. But heaving to as most people think of it, is done when progress to windward becomes either too uncomfortable or negligible and not worth the effort of proceeding, or when continuing to run would bring you into uncomfortably close proximity with land. Generally speaking this takes place in a lot of wind. In F8 or less, I would normally drop the foresail entirely and sheet it hard in. Then I would reef the mainsail until only the top 2 panels were showing and sheet that hard in. In addition, I would set up the self-steering as though we were sailing close-hauled - obviously on the safer tack - and let the boat carry on and look after herself. The effect was the same as being hove to with the jib aback: no doubt the windage of the foremast and foresail accounted for that. The boat would plug steadily forward making a lot of leeway and leaving a reasonable slick to windward. It was the easiest thing in the world to let draw and shake a reef out of the foresail if I felt that conditions were moderating: equally easy to go back to being hove-to if they were not. If you don't have a self-steering gear build one! But until then, you can lash the helm in whatever way suits your little ship best." - Annie Hill, of Voyaging On A Small Income fame.

[@StormSignal]

We have yet to see you at the JRA as promised?

[@RoversAdventure]

I'm proud to say that I'm a member. I'm dealing with a lot right now getting the build up and running, but looking forward to participating in the JRA soon.

[@StormSignal]

@@RoversAdventure We look forward to entering into conversation asap. There is a deep well of experience and knowledge among the members that are already discussing your project in the Technical Forum on the Wave Rover Project thread.

[@wyattfamily8997]

@@StormSignal Are there any members who plan to build.? From Australia.

[@Garryck-1]

@@RoversAdventure - I look forward to seeing you over there!

[@StormSignal]

@@wyattfamily8997 So far I have not become aware of any JRA member planning to build a Wave Rover 650.

[@labtrainer09]

I would love to see some of Andy's previous designs, but I couldn't find his other work anywhere on the internet. Does he have a web page? If not, where would I find some of those designs and/or completed boats?

[@RoversAdventure]

Here is his email: [e-mail]

[@RobertDizzo]

Subscribed and looking forward to following along with the progress. This is like a dream boat for me. Are you a member of the Junk Rig Association? I'm sure the members there would also be interested in following along with the build.

[@RoversAdventure]

Welcome aboard Robert! And yes, I'm a member of the Junk Rig Association.

[@scotty6435]

This video is only available to me in 360p, not sure if there was an issue uploading

[@RoversAdventure]

It was the result of the Zoom call. Back to HD next Friday.

[@gordonramsey8339]

I have a question about the old Wave Rover. What kind of anchor rode did you use? I am planning to buy a 9kg Spade anchor for my Sadler 26 (replacing 8kg CQR) and there are obvious benefits to an all chain rode but I don't want to weigh down the bow excessively. I wonder if I can learn from your experience?!

[@RoversAdventure]

I think that I had a 7-8 kg Bruce anchor. This time I will go for a 7-10kg Rocna. With 30' of chain and 5/8 nylon rode (100')

[@georgewashington7444]

Great plan somewhat inspired by Bolger. How much estimated cost? I don’t have time to build the 650 but hope to purchase one soon! I sailed a Lydon(sp?) Paradox which is a fantastic design. Matt sailed it and Enigma 14-16’ boats several times Florida-Caribbean for extended cruises.

[@ppm_1969]

Fantastic design; so, you listed marine plywood quantity - what size of sheet you take into consideration? Asking for this detail :) Thx in advance,

[@RoversAdventure]

4x8, 1200mm x 2400mm

[@ppm_1969]

@@RoversAdventure Thank you :)

[@ppm_1969]

@@RoversAdventure So, from our local market/local manufacture point of view the cost of 1 pc plywood is 240,oo PLN (around 63,oo USD); currently that's a high price; before the summer you could get it for half the price. Now there is great speculation in the market, unfortunately. it looks like all the material for the hull will be around 1,764.oo USD!

[@leokorndorfer]

I like the name better. Hull #1 was very little meaningful. I am definitely planning a build just for fun! Also are you planning to make the cockpit watertight? What is the headroom you are looking at? Thanks for bringing wave rover back to us! EDIT: Just for the study plans! Great job!

[@RoversAdventure]

Cockpit water tight for sure. She will be a tough little boat but very safe. Sitting headroom. 3' above bunk and 5'under doghouse. As Herreshoff says: I don't sleep standing up.

[@loubob21]

Can the boat be proportionately increased in size?

[@RoversAdventure]

Above my pay grade but I would think so. I suspect that you would have to add extra frames as required.

[@kevinwelsh7490]

what is the budget for the build?

[@RoversAdventure]

I've estimated about $20G-25G. I'll know better as I progress but I have a fair bit of experience in building/estimating and I'm an optimist.

[@chriszuiker9926]

Andy, Curious if the Gz curve has been computed? If not, do you have an estimate for the angle of vanishing stability? Thanks Chris

[@bobcornwell403]

Was the 'capsize screening number' calculated with the boat fully loaded? If not, it may be higher than it would be with the boat fully provisioned.

[@DouglasCampos84]

the building plan is not available to sell anymore?

[@RoversAdventure]

We are updating them and they should be available in the next few weeks

[@PrivateUsername]

Is this vid supposed to be only 360p, or is YT messed up again?

[@RoversAdventure]

I think that they put it in 360 due to the Zoom quality. Back to HD next week.

[@0GSoon]

How much working area to build? Is a two car garage about six foot high big enough. Thanks.

[@RoversAdventure]

That would work fine. You will need to attach the keels outside after you have finished.

[@kenshaw4337]

Ive always been told bulge keels were only good in france waters ? Any thoughts ?

[@RoversAdventure]

I crossed the Pacific solo in a 26' bilgle keeler solo with sheet to tiller steering the whole way. So they are good for the Pacific Ocean and France

[@michalslavik6124]

If this wasn't questioned... what are the estimated costs for Wave Rover 6.50?

[@RoversAdventure]

It's still early days but I hope to bring this in under $20,000 USD. I will be keeping track as the build goes on.

[@sietuuba]

What will the free standing mast and its material & construction be like?

[@scottcurtis5322]

How many people can do a day sail?

[@RoversAdventure]

2 for sure and 3 would be a bit tight in the small cockpit

[@scottcurtis5322]

@@RoversAdventure we are husband , wife and three children, 21, 5 and three. What sail boat can we day sail with. We are not experienced, but we would like to swim, fish, eat and go from place to place . We are Adelaide based.

[@sailingeden9866]

Would a person sailing a boat with a flat plate keel, or a hydrodynamic shaped keel be able to notice any discernable difference? Sometimes architects can get a little mad scientist carried away when designing stuff.

[@chriscoatess3600]

What about a trailer for the boat?

[@RoversAdventure]

At some point I will have to start thinking about a trailer, any suggestions?

[@chriscoatess3600]

@@RoversAdventure what is a rough estimate of the weight? I feel that building one would be easy to do with a mig/tig.

[@chriscoatess3600]

@@RoversAdventure also, mast raising system. Being able to be self sufficient is a great thing.

[@RoversAdventure]

@@chriscoatess3600 approx 3000lbs

[@chriscoatess3600]

@@RoversAdventure a 3500 single axle kit with electric brakes can be had for 800 usd. I'd say it would be about another 400 usd in materials to finish. I can draw up a cad file with random dimensions( adjustable for future use). Two bunks for the keels to rest on ,two adjustable bunks on the front, and two adjustable and removable bunks for the back. I think the two in the rear of the boat is redundant but would give some peace of mind. The hard parts are tounge length and axle placement. What are the width of the keels?

[@chrisshelton3504]

Alan, The International Junk Rig Association would be very interested in your plans. It’s a great group, and until COVID-19, we had a “Junket” every year in Maine at the end of August/beginning of September on this side of the pond. You have some Junk-rigged neighbors in Nova Scotia that pricked up there ears when they saw you live in Prince Edwards’s Island.

[@RoversAdventure]

Good to hear, will have to reach out after I get a little ahead of the building curve here.

[@VEC7ORlt]

I wonder why 6.5m and not say 7.5m? Would that add more storage and stability? Or that doesn't work that way?

[@joeblow1942]

How much do ya think it will cost to build and be ready to cruise?

[@RoversAdventure]

I should have some preliminary numbers in the next couple of videos.

[@harrybloom9213]

What a great project! ty for sharing! +1

[@RoversAdventure]

Welcome aboard!

[@charles007007]

How do you expect her to heave-to in heavy weather conditions?

[@RoversAdventure]

Another commenter wrote something like this recently and it sums up a junk rig version of heaving to: The equivalent maneuver is to continue to sail to windward, but under very much reduced sail area, so that speed is so low that the keel stalls and you make a lot of leeway, therefore making good a course across the wind. The vane gear should continue to keep the course well enough.

[@charles007007]

Thank you for the quick response and the inspiring project! One thing about heaving-to in breaking wave conditions is the slick it creates. I wonder the extent to which the strategy described here generate an effective slick.

[@patrick-po2lx]

I’m immediately curious why 6.5m?

[@RoversAdventure]

Small boats intrigue me in so many ways and the smaller the boat the bigger the adventure. This is about as small as I would want to go.

[@patrick-po2lx]

@@RoversAdventure I’m still unclear on why 6.5m is the smallest boat you would consider. I would imagine there were several parameters that had to be balanced very precisely, based on the chosen design, but i don’t know what those are, or are not. And I fully understand if it’s not something you want to get into!

[@patrick-po2lx]

it just occured to me that *not needing a dinghy* to approach small docks could be a consideration?

[@RoversAdventure]

@@patrick-po2lx I'm thinking of building a small folding dinghy for when at anchor. A small electric outboard could be used for the 650 and the dinghy.

[@billj503]

Will it float, should a swamping occur?

[@antoinem01]

Suggestion: move mast somewhat back and turn it into a split junk rig. Makes for far more stable downwind sailing. Changed my Coromandel from what you now show (more or less standard Hassler / MacLeod setup) to Split Junk Rig. Big difference in downwinding as sail area more evenly distributed on both sides of the boat.

[@RoversAdventure]

Sounds very interesting. Can you send a picture and some dimensions via my business email found in the "about" section of the channel

[@StormSignal]

@@RoversAdventure Tsk Tsk. This and so much more is what you can learn at the JRA.

[@RoversAdventure]

@@StormSignal I am a member but have been so busy with the project at hand. I just posted an update on the JRA site though.

[@chriscoatess3600]

Maybe incorporate an Oceanvolt saildrive.

[@davidjulian8536]

It'd be great, but twice the cost of the rest of the boat!

[@arnekvinge6073]

In metric please. Wave Rover 650 Study Plans is now in feet end inches. For the material in the item list I come to 36000 NOK equal to $4300 in Norway. Is there a way to estimate the total material cost out from this?

[@RoversAdventure]

Almost all of the study plan has the metric equivalent in brackets. Most importantly the critical data and building material is in both. The actual building sheets that I am using have all measurements listed in mm and imperial. I have asked Andy to have all measurements in both systems for all of the construction plans when they are made available to the general public.

[@ppm_1969]

@@RoversAdventure Yes, yes, please, in mm factors, as well. Thank you!

[@robertfontaine3650]

I see there are 2 offereings: 1) The study plans 2) The construction plans. What is the difference. What's in the Study plans. What's in the construction plans. Does this go beyond blueprints and include construction methods and instructions or (watch the videos you silly ... ? ) Thanks, rf.

[@RoversAdventure]

I'm in the process of redoing the plan set to reflect the significant difference between those plans and what I built. Standby on this one.

[@robertfontaine3650]

@@RoversAdventure Thanks for the quick response :)

[@kimmccullough6802]

Self righting? I'm wondering how that works with twin keels with equal weight on both sides of the hull bottom.

[@RoversAdventure]

I think that Andy did a good job explaining that, note what he said about the inwardly sloping sides.

[@kimmccullough6802]

@@RoversAdventure just my visual, but as the boat might be turtled, or mast down, the keels at 10-15° angled , now outward, wouldn't this position make the weighted keels counter balance? I can see self righting from 90° knockdown to maybe 145° with some sort of floatation on the masthead in a slow roll. It would be interesting to see scaled down model test in a tank.

[@quail333]

@@SvenYrvindExlex Sven, am enjoying your work and ideas, what if the WR 650 had a closed in cockpit as a bulkhead like your designs? Are open cockpits necessary or is it more style?

[@grandmajosephine383]

Can a Newby inexperienced sailor cross the Atlantic in this boat?

[@StormSignal]

Any newby inexperienced sailor who goes straight to an ocean crossing without at least a season or two honing his/her sailing skills and boat intimacy has pretty large cojones and arguably not much good sense but in theory...yes.

[@spymaine89]

bottles do it all the time

[@DavidPaulNewtonScott]

Pushing off in a small boat in force 6 and 7 up the English Channel with absolutely no experience stupid but epic. I came out of it a different man I wouldn't change a minute of it. "One either jousts or one does not joust".

[@nigel3809]

Les Powles wrote a book called Solitaire Spirit. An absolute amateur, with no sailing experience; luckily he returned from his 3 solo circumnavigations to write the book about it.

[@DavidPaulNewtonScott]

Learning to live life in a washing machine helps.

[@scott.wallace8625]

But I also understand sometimes it’s journey

[@DavidPaulNewtonScott]

6.50 implies to me that this boat is 6.5m long what yo have come up with is my present boat the Westerly Pageant. If you had just bought a Pageant and fitted a junk rig you could have saved a lot of money and time. I guess you just want to build a boat. The pageant design is available in various sizes as Pageant, Centaur, Berwick etc all built like tanks. Regarding bilge keels I know he said the boat can stand on her keels but he didn't elaborate on it much. The key thing is that if you really need a break, you can pull up on a beach mud or gravel and take a break for days if you like. It's like having lots of free marinas on your journey. Other advantages of the bilge keels are that if they are your ballast, then the ballast is spread out and therefore the moment of inertia is increased making the boat feel much heavier, with a more gentle roll without actually being heavier. The last thing on bilge keels is that a large amount of water is trapped between them at any one time, it's kind of like you have a couple of tonnes of free ballast down there also damping your motion, yet again without actually having the penalty of hauling around some actual ballast. Regarding your construction I am coming round to the idea of having a chine boat. Round boats are the best hull shape for a displacement boat, but a chine boat particularly a single chine will dissipate energy the of rolling, ie it will have better roll damping. On a small boat the more roll damping the better you win on this one. Last comment hull form, I don't know of anyone who has thought this one through if you push a round form displacement boat hard enough she will broach, not good so don't do it. Well there are circumstances where you can get caught, out running before a gale and not being able to slow her down enough or being anchored in a current in some sort of natural disaster, hurricanes are routine in the southern US then you are swamped and screwed. Consider this if that boat had a V bottom like yours she could plane even though she is a displacement boat, if there is enough force available eg the flood or hurricane and hopefully be fine. Michael Kasten pulled off a single chine design which l find hypnotic Redpath. He buried the chine below the water line see the photo on his website. Redpath in the shed. So after all of that I wonder what your designer thinks of the type of construction in George Buehlers book backyard boatbuilding. I have unlimited amounts of wood available to me and I like the idea of a boat made of individual components that can be replaced and how thick would he make the planking. Something the British comedian grif Rhys Jones said about wooden boats, " you just godda have one, you just godda have one."

[@RoversAdventure]

I took a look at the Westerly Pageant as I am not familiar with it. And although you see a lot of similarities I don't, other than it has bilge keels. Even the keels are a different shape. It is longer and the SA/Disp ratio is much lower. It's displacement is about 33% greater than the WR 650. And of course my Architect has taken great care to produce a very efficient hull shape which is unique to the WR 650. Several other commenters have also seen similarities to other boats. But when you dive into the WR 650, it has been designed with a set of parameters that I have identified. The Architect has simply come up with solutions that individually are not unique but put together produce a unique boat... the Wave Rover 650.

[@scott.wallace8625]

Sounds like a westerly nomad with more sail area

[@malfunction8165]

I bought some plans for a boat from China, turned out they were junk.

[@RoversAdventure]

Happy to say that the WR 650 was conceived by a Canadian and drawn up by an American.

[@Blastfence1]

You can’t go out to sea 🌊 in a little boat 🚤 like that!

[@RoversAdventure]

I hear that a lot, lol.

[@Robert-pi6vs]

You should check out Sven Yrvind of Finland and you be surprised of a 80 year old man sailing his boat and living out his live instead of being in a old folks home.

[@kellyhunt3958]

MING MING?