Neil deGrasse Tyson | The Ben Shapiro Show Sunday Special Ep. 72

[@RogerSullivanNOLA]

Ben Shapiro is about the only person who could have this type of conversation with a real intellectual and come away none the wiser.

[@circusong]

😂

[@Furyan5theLoneWolf]

😂😂😂

[@Eamonwastaken]

I like how Ben talks at 2x speed and Neil talks at .5x speed so together they’re having a conversation at normal speed

[@kelvintomaszewski6995]

best comment ever hahahahha

[@EpicDoggiez]

@Justin Rivaldo Actually thats false. It would be 1.25x normal speed. Heres my math (Correct me if im wrong) -If Neil talks, its “2x” assuming “x” is the amount of time it takes a normal person to talk. If Ben talks, its “0.5x” with x being the same -So if they each talk once, it is “2x+0.5x” -If it was normal, it would be “2x” because its each person talking normally -If we simplify it to how much it takes for one person to talk compared to a normal person, it would be 1/2(2x+0.5x) -That means its “x+0.25x” or “1.25x” Sound right? 😂

[@oldcowbb]

neil talks slow to make sure everyone understand what he is trying to say, ben talks fast to overwhelm people so they don't question what he is talking about

[@Eamonwastaken]

@@EpicDoggiez hahaha Nooo!!! you’re looking at the equation all wrong! X is the duration or amount that BOTH Ben and Neil talk! Ben says “x” 2 times as fast as a normal person. Neil speaks x half as fast as a normal person. Together, 2x+.05x, they speak at normal speed (1) 2x+.05x=1

[@erik7088]

Neil “ the universe is splendor full of mysteries and one…” Ben-BUTWHATDOYOUTHINKOF TRANSGENDERS ?

[@Sebbefilmerchannel]

Normalize changing your opinion after recieving new facts

[@micperez819]

That means they don't know what they are talking about if they change their mind after learning new information

[@gregory6619]

or there are multiple perspectives that will never be right or wrong because morality offers no right and wrong answers

[@donsancho6690]

This is very true. I have a friend who is a would-be abortion so I am pretty pro-life. After watching this interview I've reconsidered these facts and now agree with Neil. I still don't support abortion, but in the case that it needs to be done (cases which I understand exist) it should be done before the baby is developed enough that it could survive outside of the womb.

[@somebodyfixmyinternet]

@@micperez819 In a way, that's true and it's not a bad thing. If you realize you don't know a subject as much as you thought you did, would it be better to continue lie and continue to espouse your false logic, or use the new knowledge to inform your opinions?

[@xD3f]

@@gregory6619 of course, but in that case u cant use science to back urself up. some things are just facts, not opinions

[@CJB787]

“What is your motivation?” Most important thing Neil asked Ben in this interview.

[@methatis3013]

That's called avoiding the question. Motivation does not matter, "What is your motivation?" is not a counterargument

[@CJB787]

@@methatis3013 He didn't make that his counter argument. His counter argument was "Are you asking about biological Science, or Social Science" . (Because both sides of the argument are correct depending on which science perfective the questions is coming from). That's the real question, and therefore the the motivation of the person asking the question become very relevant.

[@RJCHOICE]

@@methatis3013 "motivation does not matter" Tell it to the courts, judge, jury and DA. lol

[@methatis3013]

@@RJCHOICE well... Yeah. You can absolutely convict someone if the motive is unknown lol. So yes, the motivation absolutely does not matter

[@RJCHOICE]

@@methatis3013 the motivation determines whether there is a crime or not or the severity of the crime so your answer is bull scheisse

[@CapitainBarbaRoja]

Neil is so amazing, he actually got me to click on a ben shipiro podcast.

[@mattrdd9]

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[@jay_hawk9762]

Ok?

[@AA-vn3ru]

@@jay_hawk9762 ok

[@trellchargest4042]

Frfr but ben is on to somthin somtiimes erbody got an opinion thooo

[@rayb1091]

You are not alone

[@ashleyhayre1890]

00:28 introduction 05:02 meaning in science 17:55 science in government 30:27 climate change 42:23 gender and sexuality 54:52 abortion

[@yordilecomte5156]

Thank uu this helps!!!

[@felixsantos-nedrelid2004]

Undarated Comment.😁

[@user-kq8rk1vd3u]

Thank you helps alot

[@maverickay5807]

Wooo!

[@Isekaime4]

God bless this person

[@TheGreatMoonFrog]

"What are your thoughts on homosexuality?" *knees draw ever close*

[@Richard-qu5vi]

haahahazhahahahahqahaayhha Gold

[@aidag.1377]

I don't think much of it, to each his own, good advice i think.

[@hanswhite]

"Leviticus 18 tells me it's bad." -Ben Shapiro

[@TheGreatMoonFrog]

@@hanswhite "But my knees tell me it's oh so right."

[@blackice112]

I just died

[@ashimaow]

neil: explains a problem* ben: I Disagree neil: explains same problem in different scenario* also ben: I Totally Agree Fam

[@bhuuthesecond]

Each time he senses an L he does a pivot like he wasn’t against that thing 5 minutes ago.

[@iamanentppersonalitytype3184]

It's called situational precision

[@joe-tatothepotatobiden47]

Youre really boiling it down and not looking at the nuances. Its more of a: Neil:Says something Ben:Have you thought of this situation, what about this issue that may arise. Neil:Clarifies his point and explains in more detail about how those problems he brought up would be handled. Ben isn't going to agree to something without fully understanding what it is. Its why he will tell you that he has never read a bill or proposed policy when he is asked about them on college campuses. He will never say, I agree or I disagree with a bill or proposed policy without having read it. Its something that we should all do. You shouldn't agree to something that you understand or that isnt clear.

[@clayefferson]

These segments aren't meant to be outright debates but more an explanation of his guests views. It's how he got bill maher etc and guys that totally disagree but can still express their views.

[@ssj2camaro21]

You dont understand how conversation and discussions work then

[@Shyori]

NDT speaks so purposefully. He doesn't rush through things. He thinks before he speaks. Makes every work count.

[@johnsmith-kc1sn]

I can’t stand NDT in general. He is so arrogant and obnoxious and full of himself. Don’t get me wrong I’m happy that he advocates for science but as a person he seems like a narcissistic and an asshole. It’s hilarious watching this video because Ben Shapiro is such an insufferable person that even NDT looks like a saint and an empathetic intellectual next to him.

[@Yoda-wf6bu]

​@@johnsmith-kc1sn Neil is a great guy what the fuck are you two smoking?

[@zaammy3584]

@@johnsmith-kc1sn lol if a conservative who has a terrible take on a genuinely smart and great person still considers them better then Ben Shap there is something wrong with pivoting-weasely Shapiro

[@johnsmith-kc1sn]

@@Yoda-wf6bu apparently not. He seems like a really nice and cool dude when you see him as a host on TV, but apparently in person he is terribly narcissistic. You can Google about him and some of the A-hole stuff he’s done that you wouldn’t have seen on his TV shows

[@Yoda-wf6bu]

@@johnsmith-kc1sn i find nothing about that, and I serious doubt it. What he conveys to the public is nothing but beautiful messages. The people he inspires becomes great people too. I frankly don’t care what goes on in his personal life, or what he had said to who that might be interpreted as narcissistic. He using his fame for good and his community are not toxic

[@sutnical]

Ben, you should start doing interviews where your knees are touching the guest's knees.

[@kristinchamberlain531]

Especially when they're pantsless like crowder was.

[@Samuel_Giba]

It would be interesting if they were facing backwards to each other, touching backs, but the discussion would still be serious

[@markgamal7837]

I wouldn't be able to form even one sentence in such uncomfortable setting.

[@al4385]

yes it's funny, but it's because they are trying to fit the two people in front of the camera. Why don't people understand the basics of videography?

[@eb60lp]

😂

[@masonrice1439]

I forget where I seen the quote but Neil discribes it similarly. “ if you deystroyed all religious text you could never rewrite it the same , but if you take away all scientific data you will always get the same information back .

[@av3rsi0n]

Ricky Gervais said this on Stephen Colbert.

[@masonrice1439]

@@av3rsi0n yes that’s it

[@evanfischer5282]

What’s funny is that this might be true if 1. All religion is false or 2. Religion is not false but the same religious text is required to exist in its current form. If the Christian God exists, and all religious knowledge of Christianity is terminated, then definitely something divine would have to happen again to restore it. If religion is all false, this could be true. However, we’d end up with religions very similar to existing ones. At least in values of right and wrong. Over history we’ve seen many civilizations that have thrived share similar moral values. While some people believe morality can exist separate from religion (which is kinda true), the reality is morality requires transcendent belief. Morality is kind of a transcendent belief in itself. Tldr; if religion is false, we actually might see religions reform but with the same moral values. If history shows us anything about it. If it’s real, it would require different religious text to restore it anyways.

[@masonrice1439]

@@evanfischer5282 morality doesn’t require transcendent belief at all , someone who can’t imagine a world without religion might think that though. Religion while having some good values to learn from has done far more bad than good and that’s been proven from history. I find it sad people will blindly follow a belief that they themselves didn’t even make . Just like an other fictional book religion has some positives to take from but as a whole should be taken with a grain of salt .

[@PinkFahkUnicorn]

Oh yeah, just like the earth is flat and there's a trillion genders...hmmm yes...

[@danearls5817]

“If a day goes by and I don’t learn something, that’s a wasted day.” Love this.

[@mitchellbaldwin265]

This is literally the best example of how people should conduct discussions in today’s times. I love this video!

[@donsancho6690]

Same. I learned about this interview from a clickbait video that read "Neil DeGrasse Tyson BODIES Ben Shapiro in trans debate". This wasn't a bodying at all. It was a great conversation. I learned a lot.

[@DanK123]

Fo sho. I know I still dislike Ben but at least he was capable of having a semi intelligent talk with a smart, funny, really good guy in Neil. Really glad he went on. Hopefully he educated Ben and people who watched.

[@ethanschreiber4153]

@@DanK123 Ben Shapiro is incredibly smart and is also a chameleon, tailoring his rhetoric for the current audience. When his audience is young and ignorant (think B.S. destroys college student), he speaks incredibly fast and uses specious arguments which sounds good to the acolytes while overwhelming the unprepared question asker. These arguments always ignore all subtleties of the issue and are obnoxious, disrespecting the position of those who disagree with him. He will make irreverent statements like, the left wants to make abortion legal up to the age of 7, implying through sarcasm that the opposition would casually abort a third term fetus. In reality, less than 1÷ of abortions happen in the third trimester and are typically because either the fetus or mother's life is in danger. With statements like that, the goal is not to come to an understanding, it's to demonize the opposition. When his audience is learned and not aligned ideologically, he is much more careful. He asks more thoughtful questions, and gives more reverence to the opposing opinion. He does a good job of highlighting the differences without being combative. He avoids his most evocative and shallow statements. This is how his Sunday conversation with ideologically opposed guests such as NDT goes. Then there was the Andrew Neil interview. He misjudged his guest and chose the irreverent style for a learned counterpart. He put on his cheap point fast talking hat and looked like a moron, because Andre Neil could easily parry his ridiculous statements. I think Ben Shapiro is well educated, speaks clearly, and is very funny. I very much appreciate the version like we saw tonight. Im sad that there is the second "leftist tears" version that tries to generate headlines to drive ad revenue. Unfortunately, thag version is a mirror for our uneducated populace which is not interested in evaluating subtleties of tough issues. Ben Shapiro is a talented chameleon who gives his audience exactly what they need in each situation in order to drive maximum ad revenue. I hope society wakes up and starts demanding conversations like this one more often and stops getting excited about making the opposition look foolish. If so, we will get only the good version of ben, because he will always give his audience whatever it needs so he can continue to sleep on his "bed full of money".

[@DanK123]

@@ethanschreiber4153 Wow - that's a great analysis. Without knowing much about Ben, I see what you mean. He very carefully approaches each interview in a specific way, designed to achieve a certain goal. He must be "smart" to do what he does, even if he sounds like a moron half the time. I'll just never understand how somebody becomes so ideologically entrenched in Republican politics. Sometimes I wonder if all of these clowns know better but are simply doing it to enrich themselves at all costs, even our democracy. And yes with Neil, he can't help but revere him....so it's hard to attack and berate as he would to most others. I try to spend as little time in my life thinking about "Ben Shapiro"....I really don't care about him, so I'll be done with this comment now. Haha but thank you for the insight!

[@matthewlegg6637]

These two should be locked in a room for 1 week to hash out GUN ownership rights, limits and we have it written as an amendment. I'm ok with these two deciding whats what. Both are decent humans and pretty smart guys :)

[@d84928]

As a nurse, hearing Neil deGrass Tyson say "can you lessen the suffering of another human being" made me cry.

[@mags7054]

42:55 Neil deGrasse Tyson "...otherwise, why do we even give a sh*t" and just like that, he throws his science straight out the window. Now he wants to respect what other people believe. Another the smart sounding atheist contradicting himself, right at the fundamental, principle core of his arguments.

[@mags7054]

Neil deGrasse Tyson on God (Response) kzbin.info/www/bejne/qoDOoa1_jNN6nrc This video will easily and quickly explain some of the reasons why Neal deGrasse Tyson is wrong.

[@readingslame4869]

​@@mags7054 Do you know what else throws science out of the window?

[@LemManga]

@Mags it's not a contradiction to say that science is irrelevant to semantics. and Neil's religion, or lack thereof, is also not relevant to the conversation. when we talk about whether we should consider trans women "women" has little to do with science and more to do with perceived social norms. i find it ironic you're complaining about "trying to sound smart" while making ad hominem attacks in place of an actual argument.

[@readingslame4869]

@@LemManga excellent explanation

[@whiteguard2711]

Originally, ben was sitting on neils lap.

[@hamzamahmood9565]

And a little twerking too

[@candidapeier]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@goncalobaia1574]

This was photoshopped after

[@bfdzvalable]

LLMMMAAOOO!!!!!

[@amhoward78]

😆😆

[@judejohnson9645]

Absolutely love how clear Neil is with his statements. Always felt that Ben is verbose and uses unduly big words, that easily has you missing his point. Neil actually speaks slow and provides a succinct punchline, that has you gripped on every word.

[@a9fc]

That's his MO. His reponses to people who are less well versed in debates is to basically overwhelm and run them down.

[@5ubjugator]

@@a9fc Please provide me an example so I may verify your accusation

[@noelcruz2891]

​@@a9fcwith no regard for integrity or factual truth, this is actually a way to somewhat suceed in a debate.. one side may be wrong, but delivery may sway favor

[@palebluedot7435]

@@5ubjugator oh yes Look up his climate change debates Where one makes a statement Then he does a tactic call Gish galloping Look into it then rewatch this video see if your keen enough to notice

[@BBaum05]

Its cute Ben thinks he's libertarian

[@yorgivon-schmourgeussborgi]

imagine being part of an oppressed culture and ethnic group, and still being a yt supremacy simp fascist boi... I could NEVER

[@restrada1231]

I thought he was smart because he spoke quickly… oh

[@dustinwestphal803]

Policy wise he is. That’s all that matters.

[@crooked_letters]

He's the right's 37 year old boy genius

[@rkroll17]

I don’t understand this argument. Are you calling Ben authoritarian? He’s more libertarian than he is authoritarian. You could maybe call him a centrist but I don’t think that’s what you’re saying.

[@AmethystSnow]

I love how Neil thinks before he speaks every sentence

[@joelapuente]

Does he though?

[@TheKennyboy92]

Unlike Ben

[@tmate88-j8y]

@@joelapuente maybe he's being polite. He's so well-spoken, he pretends he needs to think so the other person doesn't feel bad about taking a second to think.

[@JamesSmith-sw3nk]

An all too rare quality today.

[@user-fh8wg5ew6s]

You mean how he tries really hard to not get canceled?

[@DylLynn]

am I the only person who thinks they're seated like uncomfortably close to each other?

[@JesseSelbert]

Or not close enough?

[@swimskim5874]

@@JesseSelbert Upvoted^^

[@jengleheimerschmitt7941]

Did you see Crowder on his Sunday Special? The right gym shorts sticking right in Ben's face.🤣. That was hilarious.

[@nelsonhoffman5922]

I actually think it’s just right for intellectual dialogue. It’s closer than a conversation with a stranger or guest but further than an “intimate” meeting. It’s just the appropriate distance for me..

[@elipeake7631]

It would be uncomfortable to sit close to either of them, in different ways for each one

[@the7311]

Having Neil talk to Ben really shows how little Ben actually knows.

[@cipri198zero]

Really Einstein?!

[@bleh9906]

No

[@Play4Vida]

Ben is an impulsive child that thinks he knows it all. The problem he cherry picks people he can bully in debates, but you put him in front of someone that has a little bit of critical thinking skills then Ben crumbles.

[@Turtleofbread]

@@Play4Vida okay, Debra

[@Play4Vida]

@@Turtleofbread relax doofus, did I hurt your feelings on your childish hero, pathetic

[@LifeCompanionDogs8083]

For someone so against communism Ben sure loves being publicly owned.

[@maxmeier4039]

Godamn this is an underrated comment 😂

[@SuperEdge67]

Best comment ever! I might have to steal it and use it somewhere else.

[@ront4642]

I rarely comment. This has me rolling 😂 definitely underrated comment!

[@JohnSmith-nu4ix]

No

[@Ghostlyart13]

OH MY GOD SHOTS FIRED

[@michaelgutierrez9862]

They're really trying hard not to step on one another's toes.

[@Eventzz0]

Because respect.

[@DANGJOS]

@@Eventzz0 I think he meant literally

[@bluemagoo]

@@DANGJOS Such an underrated comment, you sir have earned my like!

[@jamesmartin2740]

Because Neil is a leftist. Leftists ALWAYS create environments like this.

[@michaelgutierrez9862]

@@DANGJOS You got it

[@ReetBoaTellThee]

Christ, deGrasse Tyson is *almost* bringing out a *little* bit of humanity from Shapiro.

[@chrisbungenstock8552]

The trans question was very exposing for Tyson. He did exactly what Ben said liberals do when it comes to that issue. All of a sudden objective truth became irrelevant to Tyson.

[@bearcudlybear]

@@chrisbungenstock8552 You're living in a fantasy land if you think that was remotely Tyson's argument lmaoo. His rebuttal was mainly to point out that the relationship between gender and sex is purely social/philosophical yet it exists nonetheless, so a true scientific mind would want to uncover that mystery while not trampling peoples rights in the process. Im not even a Tyson fan and I think he's insufferable particularly on Joe Rogan, but hes 100% on the money here.

[@chrisbungenstock8552]

@@bearcudlybear Sure...that's your opinion. But I've watched alot of his stuff, I've never once heard him ask someone "what they were getting at" or "Why are you even asking that" when talking about objective scientific facts. If you watch alot him, this was absolutely exposing. Never seen him act so weird about a question.

[@marekb1556]

@@chrisbungenstock8552 Act so weird? Your brain must be blocking it to protect you from trauma caused by seeing your favourite youtuber getting destroyed or smthng, idk. He divorced natural scientific matter from the social science and philosophy one and explained how the transgenderism question wasn't about biology but identity. Ben was then trying DESPERATELY to frame it in an idiotic "But... But... Trans women not women" way, but finally encountered someone who didn't let him get away with strawmaning so hard

[@ReetBoaTellThee]

@@chrisbungenstock8552 It's pragmatism. The reality is that there are millions of people out there that identify as trans, for whatever reason. Beyond sports, why do you care? Life's too short. Have yourself a nice stretch and relax while liberals like Tyson defend the liberty and freedom of all.

[@johnsuarez1404]

When Neil talks it makes my brain feel good

[@BondingleStudios]

This video should have been called “Neil Degrasse Tyson scientifically proves Ben Shapiro is not a Libertarian.”

[@leftward_hoe]

this is actually from 2019 but i am also here after the recent resurfacing of these clips. always a good laugh to see Benny Boi squirm 😁 and i don't mean sexually, because Benny doesn't sex 🥺👉👈

[@BondingleStudios]

@@leftward_hoe his wife has never heard of a wet vagina.

[@kiwidadygirl]

Objectively Neil looks a fool here. Science doesn't matter to him more than his religion of progressivism. If he was self aware at all he would be embarrassed.

[@markhunstein1320]

@@kiwidadygirl nah mate Neil shows a scientific attitude and skepticism while Ben is treating scientific understanding from 90s biology textbooks as unchanging gospel. Like science is descriptive, not prescriptive so when someone describes their own experience and it goes against the commonly understood model, the scientific approach is NOT to say "no that's wrong because science" but instead to say "okay, what's going on with that? How can we learn about this to find if it actually does fit into our model or how can we change our model to account for you"

[@chadbaker310]

They agreed on everything, dude. Check your bias.

[@JeffHersch]

Man, Neil is just brilliant. I could listen to him talk all day.

[@mattk6719]

Even the most brilliant people are vulnerable to bias, pride, and self-deception. Niel Tyson is a perfect example of a brilliant man living in denial of the evidence around him. Shapiro got him to contradict himself on every topic in this interview.

[@cv799]

@@mattk6719 where

[@saricubra2867]

​@@mattk6719 Imagine calling a scientist biased lmao.

[@frenchonion4595]

@@mattk6719 Neil was unbearable on Rogan. The man micromanaged everything thing Rogan said and constantly interrupted him. Terrible guest

[@yerik6034]

@@saricubra2867 scientist can certainly be biased

[@MollyOKami]

The man is proof that "knowledge" and "wisdom" are NOT synonymous.

[@kaga13]

They never were

[@mydickforpresident5992]

Exactly what Dennis Prager was talking about for decades

[@lancehowell3070]

Neil lacking spiritual discernment

[@kaga13]

@@lancehowell3070 nothing spiritual to discern

[@matiasagnese5563]

It's pretty subjective what wisdom is, so this statement of yours has no merit. Because I, and a lot of other people, think he's incredibly wise.

[@AndThomHunt]

I love how Neil forces him to reframe questions so that the discussion makes sense.

[@Az21-]

It's refreshing seeing Ben having an actual conversation instead of a debate. Just two adults sharing their ideas.

[@glazed_waffle5629]

If u can even call it that

[@ianwatkins3480]

I think around the end when it got to gender studies it became a debate. What ben normally does is instead of debating he argues to try to prove himself right instead of trying to unveil truth and come to a conclusion which benefits and brings no harm to all parties. He comes into a debate thinking his point is truth

[@BlackWhite-wx8ew]

And Ben was destroyed.

[@jesusramone5416]

Exactly. Instead of ben and a college child

[@SuperEdge67]

Shapiro got owned by someone who actually thinks for a living.

[@joseph-fernando-piano]

The difference between debating unprepared college students and debating a college professor...

[@lloydgush]

I saw no difference here. He literally said people have no reason to care about sex besides professional sports. You know, biological sex, it's BIOLOGY and it's SEX. He ain't a vegan, so there's care for biological sex even in his food.

[@kotaman232]

You mean a woke professor that gave a clownish anti science argument

[@lloydgush]

@@kotaman232 He's not woke, he's a hostage of the woke. Of his own making, to be honest, cowardice is a very serious ailment.

[@theonlyone3532]

@@lloydgush How you choose to identify doesnt HAVE to relate to your sex. No one on any side of the political spectrum disagrees that sex is a real thing you are born with that isnt as changeable as people would like for it to be at this time.

[@lloydgush]

@@theonlyone3532 Sex is still absurdly relevant even alone at a desert island. And back to your bailey. "No one on any side of the political spectrum disagrees that sex is a real thing..." I said, and don't make me repeat it, BACK TO THE BAILEY YOU LOVE SO MUCH, you are going to live on that bailey, die on that bailey, your descendants are going to a new species, bailey perenious.

[@falcondark5338]

Ben: facts don't care about your feelings. Neil: true, also feelings are facts.

[@krislaffredi3622]

That is basic, there is truth in dialectic above that truth that is obtained from the dialectic.

[@seranonable]

He said you should get your mind blown once a week, so...

[@firefalcoln]

First off, learn how to spell the name: Neil. Second, there is no monopoly of facts or feelings for either individual. Such a notion is ridiculous. If anything, the person who puts a clearly debunked religion as their basis for morality, is the one who doesn’t have a grip on evidence informing their feelings as opposed to their feelings constructing “evidence” that leads to ones intended conclusion.

[@falcondark5338]

Brian Johnson First off, good point. Sorry Neil. Second, I wasn't trying to say anyone had a monopoly. Just pointing out the move Neil made (I think it's known as a phenomenological position) to consider a person's subjective reality fact because it's real enough to them. I think there are some advantages to that, but you have to draw a line somewhere. For example he isn't quite as considerate of the subjective reality of people who feel the earth is flat.

[@firefalcoln]

Falcondark5 I think what matters is if the person arguing that they’re gender contradicts their sex thinks their gender is a literal description of reality, or their subjective perception of themself. Is their own label a literal description of their biology or a subjective description of their humanity. That’s the distinction where I will decide if I respect or won’t respect a trans person’s label. It can be impolite and awkward to get into those details with trans people. So I try to give them the benefit-of-the-doubt if I don’t know yet. As for the flat-earthers, I think that’s a poor analogy because there doesn’t seem to be a question over whether or not it’s a literal or subjective opinion if the earth is flat or an oblong sphere.

[@e.pluribusunum7916]

This was a whole hour where Ben could have learned something but didn't.

[@Vichedges]

He learned, we all did. We learned that if Tyson doesn’t like what scientific research says it’s fine to censor it. You know, to protect “feelings”. I find it interesting that he thinks the whole “trans” political movement doesn’t affect anyone outside of “trans” people. I mean if a white person “identifies” as black does he feel the same way? “Free country” right? If “Transracialism” is taught in schools is he OK with that? It’s a legit phenomena after all.

[@sararivera100]

Yeah, he has a myopic perspective on everything he talks about

[@benfiske1]

Or refused to

[@VixumVIX]

he just had talking points to argue about.

[@RenegadeVile]

I don't know, I think he came away with some new perspectives on things. I doubt it'l lchange the grift, but I prefer to be hopeful.

[@obychnyichelovek6757]

I'm a leftist and i don't like Ben, but massive credit to Ben for inviting Neil, i watched the whole interview!

[@MrGameday15]

Just wondering, but what’s making this interview pop back up? I noticed Kyle Kulinski did a segment on it yesterday so I went to this video and saw a lot of recent comments on it.

[@MrLTLB]

No one actually calls themselves "leftist", you know this right? You literally just exposed yourself, you're not a "leftist". 🤣🤣🤣

[@notificationsareblocked.yo53]

Hey look guys I found a decent leftist who isn’t full of hate! Amazing! Thanks for commenting something actually positive

[@bcxproductions7172]

@@MrLTLB What do you want us to call ourselves then?

[@Rico-oz4ct]

@@notificationsareblocked.yo53 Wow aren't you a little snowflake

[@SimBol1216]

You aren't a libertarian, Ben. Stop pretending you're not just a run-of-the-mill conservative.

[@mfflscotty2095]

He seems right wing moderate libertarian. His positions have leaned libertarian over the years.

[@DivinesLegacy]

@@mfflscotty2095 what opinions have changed?

[@HereticalPuppy]

How is he not libertarian?

[@mfflscotty2095]

@@DivinesLegacy Pro gay marriage and pro weed decriminalization. Perhaps not against legalization of porn anymore

[@MrLTLB]

It's funny how people are recently starting to figure this out...

[@rhatmakesvideos]

Ben "just sell your house and move" shabibo gets his feelings absolutely blasted by an astrophysicist's facts

[@kiwidadygirl]

Huh? I'm not a Ben fan but Neil is HORRIBLE here. This would be embarrassing for him if he was remotely self aware.

[@chadbaker310]

Haha no! Did you even watch it? What are you smoking? This was an interview and they agreed on pretty much everything?

[@quronmccovery881]

@easter worshipper Proof?

[@na.meless]

@Baked Beaner In pretty much all of this tbh. Ben came with the loaded questions about morality and etc and NDT slapped him away easy peasy.

[@na.meless]

@Rifle Eyez Yeah...watch it again

[@aatagila]

Neil is as good an astrophysicist as he is s communicator love it.

[@pogtuber5146]

Yeah that's sorta his claim to fame. Plenty of people that are smarter than Neil in astrophysics, but his wide breadth of cultural and scientific knowledge combined with an ability to tie these together to support his arguments make him very easy to listen to and understand from multiple perspectives, regardless of your political beliefs.

[@ssamerica3062]

54:55 I think this might be my favorite segment in the video. The way neil talks about human fundamentals with the same passion that he does the rest of science and nature brings a new warmth to what is otherwise cold facts and an even colder conversation topic. And I think that is one of the many reasons why he and Ben had such a productive conversation about something so divisive.

[@Daryl_Phillips_]

Yeah it’s my favorite too

[@mags7054]

42:55 Neil deGrasse Tyson "...otherwise, why do we even give a sh*t" and just like that, he throws his science straight out the window. Now he wants to respect what other people believe. Another the smart sounding atheist contradicting himself, right at the fundamental, principle core of his arguments.

[@mags7054]

Neil deGrasse Tyson on God (Response) kzbin.info/www/bejne/qoDOoa1_jNN6nrc This video will easily and quickly explain some of the reasons why Neal deGrasse Tyson is wrong.

[@mickienoel638]

​@@mags7054 I haven't listened to the whole debate and I can already tell you didn't listen

[@Reos-Domain]

@@mags7054 I can tell you didn't listen to a word he spoke, the ignorance people like you hold along with the hatred is astounding.

[@adamk9700]

The most important thing to recognize in this format cannot be understated, which is that weather you agree or disagree with either of them, Ben and Neil are both willing to sit down literally face to face, and have conversations about the most difficult, topical conversations that we all know completely divide so many of us. Full stop! THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN MORE OFTEN. Cheers to both of them!!

[@opietwoep1247]

This is how it used to be until about the 80s when shows like Phil Donahue turned it into a shouting match. Also no audience to clap every 10 seconds

[@King_Illuminaughti]

It’s the key to a functioning democratic republic… why the 1st amendment is the FIRST amendment! 🥇

[@bkemp9245]

Good point

[@Eonsin]

Ben is only acting this way in front of someone of greater intellect which means he is not genuine.

[@jeffwells6016]

Agree, but the word is "whether."

[@sergiogarcia1777]

I personally think Neil wasn’t in the mood to argue but open and discuss topics. Every time ben tried to change the conversion into an argument or disagreement, Neil was amazing at redirecting it back into a open conversation

[@SusieAlvarez77]

That’s how he carries himself. He’s a true intellectual - his conversations are explorations not competitions.

[@sergiogarcia1777]

@@SusieAlvarez77 that gave me a new outlook. Thank you

[@alexisscalabrini8753]

If you argue you can't or have a lower chance to change someone mind or idea. If you discuss, you have more chance to make someone change their mind, i think.

[@alexisscalabrini8753]

Neil is awesome, he should make master class lol

[@keepinitkawaii]

He deals with people trying to make arguments all the time. Hes good at acknowledging peoples beliefs and being respectful

[@theclownlyimp]

I've never listened to Ben Shapiro for so long. Good thing Neil deGrasse Tyson was there 😅

[@aaronburling4362]

I kept expecting Shapiro to ask Tyson "Am I a real boy?"

[@chefawkes]

LOOOOOOOOOL DEAD

[@butthurtz5025]

No

[@yichengyi]

There's so many tropes in this question. Deep, brother.

[@NathanLorenzana]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@_Noopy_]

hahahahhahahahahahahahhahhahahahahahahhahaahhaa

[@WilliamtheWorst]

While I enjoyed the interview, I was quite surprised how badly he defended the trans movement. It's laughable that a scientist would only use science when convenient for their politics. The exact thing he was inferring to Ben. Observable & repeatable madness...

[@eddieandrews4808]

Agreed

[@m.sand-]

They use the term “science” to deceive in almost all cases of these “so called” scientist. He , bill nye , the other corny dude they are all simply shills pushing a government agenda. Dumbing down the world and making everyone feel tiny and useless. Shameful.

[@darrengordon-hill]

Pathetic puppet! "OMG, a science black" Always bigger pawns

[@WilliamtheWorst]

​@@darrengordon-hill I'm all for real scientists who can recognize biology for what it is, whether they are black, brown, white, orange, lilac, or fuchsia.

[@Guerrilla727]

@@m.sand- Imagine being anti science lmao

[@TheTribute410]

I love how he implies that if you’re a libertarian or conservative, you’re not about helping people. Last time I checked, we are the parties of the church and give the most to charity… As well as in powering the individual to protect against the mob

[@mjbull5156]

It is quite obvious that "helping people" to him means laws and government programs, not private charities.

[@markwest8960]

Exactly what I was thinking too. Nanny statists can't wrap their heads around the fact that there may be other non-govt forced ways to help people in need. Typical nanny statist mindset.

[@Love_Crafts_HP]

In my experience the government is the worst at helping people. They usually make the situation worse the more they get involved.

[@TheTribute410]

Mark West Well the left are professionals that are racing history, because if People really knew their history, they would know that the church and charity are the second place you go right after family and well before seeking government help

[@CALISUPERSPORT]

Yeah b-but....muh racist white conservatives tho

[@Cosmicqlity]

Im glad these two who are so different in opinions and views were able to sit and communicate in a calm and composed fashion without belittling or discrediting the other person. It shows that certain issues in society can be discussed (and through this discussion potentially solved) in a civilized manner.

[@divyangvaidya1999]

I actually like his Sunday specials where he isn't in debate/drama mode.

[@PanchoKnivesForever]

Yeah me too. This is really great! :)

[@jaipoh3965]

I agree. He "sorta" steps away from reality and welcomes a plethora of opinions, etc.

[@divyangvaidya1999]

@BullseyeBullsclaw Not about Neil but the way he talks to his guests.

[@Vandicoup]

Debates are also just as important. Civil debates is what we should strive for, more specifically.

[@dantoums]

Dave Chappelle next week PLEASE

[@iknown0thing]

I like Dave but he seems too relaxed and almost high in interviews lol.

[@jengleheimerschmitt7941]

That would be f'in amazing... I can't see Dave doing it though. Maybe in a nother year or two.

[@rjdestiny-mx4ir]

@@iknown0thing so basically the total opposite of ben shapiro

[@someone-wd1yn]

That needs to happen!

[@jengleheimerschmitt7941]

@XY ZW Yep. He mentioned it on onebof his shows a while back. I'm guessing it's more of a "screw the man" thing than a devout practice, but that's just a guess. (I just can't picture Chapelle worshipping anything for some reason)...

[@youareright4600]

Niel: "You should get your mind blown once a day" What Ben Should have responded: "There are 2 genders"

[@Love_Crafts_HP]

He knows that, he's just to much of a coward to admit it.

[@carlosfdz7807]

NDT also said that the only reason for the gender distinction is for sports purposes. That is not true. There is also gender segregation in bathrooms. This is not a trivial thing, clearly.

[@jellevanelten1483]

In a sense it's true that there are 2 genders and it's also true that there are more. In biology there's only 2 genders, in society there's infinite genders. Both are interesting subjects to study.

[@carlosfdz7807]

@@jellevanelten1483 But that is like saying that in society the Earth is 4.5 billion years old and 6,000 years old, etc.. So both are true.

[@Rensoku611]

Imagine getting obsessed over how many genders are there

[@kristophertibbets5986]

Even if you dislike both of these guys, this is an awesome conversation. They obviously disagree, but we can all learn how to talk to each other with examples like this.

[@SuperEdge67]

How could you dislike NDT?

[@kristophertibbets5986]

@@SuperEdge67 I agree. But some do.

[@TheLadymiss22]

@@kristophertibbets5986 🤔

[@josemou6172]

@@SuperEdge67 😭😭😭 he is a bullshitter so easy to dislike

[@SuperEdge67]

@@josemou6172 Really? What is he lying about?

[@ivbyse]

DeGrasse Tyson is just so many worlds above Shapiro, it's almost unreal

[@prod.luvletter]

@Rifle Eyez How are you making the argument that Ben is as smart if not more then Neil. That seems unreal

[@lloydgush]

He should be, he isn't here.

[@MohitKumar-jf8lz]

@@prod.luvletter you people have become the same thing u hated. Religious fundamentalists, the pope has said it so its final. A certain group of scientists have said it so it's final. While discouraging others. I thought that was the point of science that I can argue with u if my logic is sound.

[@kotaman232]

Which interview were you watching?

[@SamSung-pf5zw]

Guess you can say he's Cosmos apart in his level of thinking and philosophy...

[@majuli8420]

Shapiro is just sitting there like a school boy. "But but but... I thought talking really fast meant I was smart!!"

[@hershelbabymomma231]

He got destroyed

[@restrada1231]

@@hershelbabymomma231 He got obliterated

[@Susdhshsushs]

No, if you care to watch any of his other Sunday specials. He lets the other person have the talking ground and always wants them to speak, also if you have ever watched Neil talk before then you will know he likes to talk a lot too 😂. So you can’t really make a point when one person speaks 75% of the time

[@dannyb2519]

“B-b-but it’s not a scientific fact🥺”

[@maggiepaul5911]

Ben Shapiro gets destroyed by Neil DeGrasse Tyson with *facts* and *logic.*

[@logansites]

"I'm a libertarian come over here" meanwhile advocates for laws in the exact opposite way Neil suggests

[@lloydgush]

He ain't, really. Consent and informed consent are important to libertarians. It comes straight from adam smith.

[@xephronzz9585]

@@lloydgush Adam Smith? The economist????????? What are you talking about?

[@lloydgush]

@@xephronzz9585 So, you know nothing about libertarianism and liberalism. Start reading some adam smith.

[@xephronzz9585]

@@lloydgush Libertarianism and liberalism are different mate, it looks like you need to read more about the political ideologies you represent LOL I like people like you, libertarianism and liberalism have "liber" in their name, so they must be the same lmao

[@lloydgush]

@@xephronzz9585 Read fucking adam smith.

[@d_eb]

"I don't have opinions that I require other people to agree with." Neil deGrasse Tyson

[@blarblablarblar]

Don't let this video distract you from the fact that Ben Shapiro's wife is a doctor

[@ChiTownsFinest1225]

Hahahaha

[@jtello91]

💀

[@dinkin_flicka14]

So?

[@divyangvaidya1999]

And he's an astrophysicist with a doctorate.

[@nanos1267]

@@dinkin_flicka14 I'll have you know, Ben's wife IS a doctor.

[@Mhats]

they actually have no shoes or socks and were playing footsie the entire time

[@andymcpandy2128]

Footsie with NDG...well there's a new lifegoal.

[@danketsu4282]

Your profile picture got me. God dammit.

[@bethannpinto3029]

😅😅😅😅

[@hetaliangarbage]

I was blowing on my screen to get a hair off for so long before I realized it was just your pfp 😭

[@bethannpinto3029]

@@hetaliangarbage 😅😅

[@cullen4847]

Oh my god. That ExpressVPN ad was so out of nowhere and so aggressive. SO not smooth it made me laugh.

[@CrazyLinguiniLegs]

Lol, it came on as I started reading your comment and I was thinking "what the hell's Shapiro talking about?"

[@drmedwuast]

Isn’t it exactly like that with literally every add Ben does on this show?

[@anthonybrett]

True, but the real question is...are you now using Express VPN? Obviously not, because I understood your entire comment! NO Encryption! Get with it bro!

[@joshthompson8506]

Yeah it was about as smooth as its service. Don't get ExpressVPN it sucks!

[@budemawa411]

It’s part of Ben’s appeal, weird disjointed, aggressive ads 😂

[@MrTropius89]

isn't it amazing how very intelligent people like Neil, have such a soothing voice too?! woooww!

[@cantdfindme]

He learned it from the great Carl Sagan. To which Sagan was a mentor of such to NDT.

[@taylorsimants6241]

Neil's voice and the way he explains things really helped me get through hearing Ben's shrill little man voice.

[@Joey-vq8bh]

@NEO ehh he’s a pretty smart guy idk

[@Hange_likes_potatoes_too]

To call a man not a man based on his voice is insulting and ignorant. Look at mike Tyson. He will kick your ass but sounds like a lady bug. Your voice has nothing to do with how much of a “man” you are

[@Hange_likes_potatoes_too]

@@Joey-vq8bh :)

[@Hange_likes_potatoes_too]

@NEO bens smart in politics and he knows how to argue a point no matter what point he’s given. Just because we don’t agree with his opinions doesn’t mean he isn’t aloud to have them or mean he is less of a “man”

[@taylorsimants6241]

@@Hange_likes_potatoes_too I think you might be internalizing something. I specifically called him a man, little was just a descriptive word :)

[@blackerpanther3329]

Get Brian Cox on as another physicist, Neil isn’t the only physicist out there.

[@iknown0thing]

@Dave Brian Greene or Lawrence Krauss. Lol those four guys taught me so much as did Michio Kaku who was the first one I used to watch in the Science channel lol 20 years ago but I don't think it was called the science channel back then.

[@nicholasnajibi3082]

Blacker Panther yea Neil is too pop.

Would hope Brian Cox would be open minded enough to come on.

[@Dee-nonamnamrson8718]

@@iknown0thing Brian Greene is the man. Loved his itchy and scratchy analogies.

[@oafpolitics179]

Oh God, please no. The smarmy condescending tone is quite offensive.

[@patrick_dy3r]

"You should get your mind blown at least once a week." New favorite quote!

[@deztructo123]

I had my mind blown this week by being told that if i stare at a really bright light when i need to sneeze, it makes the feeling go away. Beat that Neil Degrasse Tyson!

[@bobburton3982]

@@deztructo123 There's a group of nerves just below the centre of your nose, above your top lip. If you feel you are going to sneeze, just push on those nerves and the need to sneeze goes away.. That may not blow your mind, but it saves your nose being blown! 😃

[@polite_as_fuck]

deztructo123 - I thought looking at a bright light when you’re in sneezing limbo actually _helped_ you sneeze? That’s what it does to me.

[@potatos_4_free]

@@polite_as_fuck same here.

[@aslan2709]

That’s a dumbass statement/quote that reeks of pandering if we’re being real. If you’re getting your mind blown once a week then I’d be a little concerned about your own intellectual foundation that has rendered you so uninformed. “Dude, did you know that we still have troops in the Middle East?” “...uhh yeah, honestly how’ve you not known that?”

[@j1mmyc1nque]

Great conversation between two people who are comfortable disagreeing. I really appreciate it. Thank you.

[@clivehandforth3531]

i used to think ndt was cringe but his humongous brain literally made my heart grow three sizes goddamn

[@kubush]

How was he cringe? 🤷‍♂️

[@willia3r]

@@kubush that's what I want to know. NDT usually approaches things from an objective scientific perspective.

[@brenikkifloyd]

Cringe? Why?

[@monkeyman193]

@Rifle Eyez not in your universe he doesn't.

[@Captain_Olimar]

@@kubush he’s “cringe” to conservative teenagers. He’s “cringe” because Ben Shapiro and republican youtubers told them NDT is cringe

[@GODJWilly]

I appreciated this conversation greatly. Hearing both sides of the conversation really broadened my knowledge, and assisted in answering a few questions that I had. Thank you Neil DeGrasse Tyson, and Ben Shapiro for your expressions!

[@ChristopherCraven]

What were the questions you had answered?

[@MissMckaila10]

​Still need your questions answered lol? ​@@ChristopherCraven

[@gst9325]

two professionals respecting each other even when disagreeing. congrats

[@Heycool08]

@@nobutur that's not disrespectful. You're grasping.

[@gcade3974]

@@nobutur how is that disrespectful?

[@krislaffredi3622]

@@nobutur "Wisdom must be intuitive reason combined with scientific knowledge - scientific knowledge of the highest objects which has received as it were proper completion."

[@TagusMan]

@@nobutur That's cuz he's smarter than the guy asking questions.

[@thomaswilliams9320]

I almost never agree with ben, but how he behaves in political debate should be something that everyone looks up to.

[@hannahbaxter8825]

"But where are you going with this?" Love that.

[@greg3087]

Exactly. NDT isn’t some squirrelly college kid who can be stumped by Ben’s rapid fire take downs. He knows exactly what Ben’s about and calls him on it.

[@kylespade5958]

46:10 Science doesn't matter to tyson when it doesn't benefit him

[@seranonable]

I love episodes like this. It's way more interesting to hear two smart people who disagree than two people (smart or not) who are in complete political harmony.

[@genevaict21]

NDT: RESPECT ALL PEOPLES RIGHTS BS: BUT WE DONT HAVE TO

[@mariog7213]

I think the acronym describes it perfectly…bs

[@Christian-Gigi]

Including biological women?

[@user-jt6rh8xy6n]

@@Christian-Gigi What kind of question is this ?

[@MohitKumar-jf8lz]

Lying isn't a right.

[@kotaman232]

Name 1 right that isnt being offered or wouldn't be offered with a definitive conclusion that believing you're a woman doesn't make you a woman. I'll wait.

[@tabitha1797]

“What are you trying to accomplish” LMAO

[@joshmeyers372]

Ben: “why don’t we go to the science on trans...” Neil: “listen, I love objective truth... but who cares really.”

[@jfrigz2294]

Josh Meyers Who cares about what people think and believe. He obviously cares about objective truths. Every scientist, including myself, care about what’s factual.

[@carterstephen8138]

Time stamp?

[@slayerette86m]

No, queen, what he's saying is that it doesn't matter where the pendulum swings, our truth is relative to our experience regardless of what facts support it. Is it a choice or biological? Who fucking cares? You're alive and experiencing. Freedom of expression is part of freedom. He is right. Or not, you decide. We're all dying in the end anyway and this isn't ever going to go away.

[@dkosmari]

Neil just taught us Scientific Relativism. A sight to behold.

[@whoaboa1429]

slayerette86m I’m not sure if you are being sarcastic but you just spoke a whole bunch of nonsense

[@MitchBolton]

"If you still care that sports is an interesting activity." Neil throwing shade!

[@lemonsunshine947]

Sports is no longer interesting. So many people are tired of the “woke” athletes. Nobody is interested in watching rich privileged people that use their names to try and sway people to buy into the government’s propaganda. People are seeing them as nothing more than political tools.

[@Leivve]

@@lemonsunshine947 Ah yes, Jackie Robinson, the famous political tool. No, what it comes down to is you don't like when people tell you the world you want to preserve is in fact super broken and people calling for change are completely justified. What you don't like is that the Athletes don't agree with you; you're perfectly content with people who use their platform that are on your side.

[@lemonsunshine947]

@@Leivve Isn’t Jackie Robinson dead? The world is being broken by people without any common sense. The brainwashed college graduates with their absolute insanity are the problem. It has nothing to do with agreeing with me. It’s the fact they are trying to use their influence in an attempt dictate what others believe. The fact that the left is trying to censor opinions and information of the right, is straight from the communist playbook. Free speech is for everyone. Even if it hurts special little feelings.

[@thejquinn]

@@lemonsunshine947 Lol how can the right even say they care about womens sports when they dont even air any on any of their networks? (mic drop)

[@lemonsunshine947]

@@thejquinn mic drop. That’s cute. 😂 Nobody cares about either male or female sports anymore. Whether they get airtime on tv or not. Male sports is for biological men and women’s sports are for biological women.

[@Daedal71]

I thought he would sound smarter frankly. His explanation of "meaning", lacked meaning. Not a great start.

[@MaFd0n]

Pretty sure you're explanation of "meaning" will not be better in any case, give it a go, show us how smart you are.

[@Daedal71]

@@MaFd0n Ok. The knowledge that there is actually something larger than yourself that has an eternal impact. Whether in a secular world, the lasting legacy of what you do in this world, or in a religious world, the belief that God has an eternal plan you are an intricate part of. Either way humans inately feel they are a piece that fits in this huge puzzle that is life. How'd I do?

[@Daedal71]

@Unbiased Shitpost He's definitely confident in what he says. I wouldn't refer to him as a bootlicker at all. He might want to stick with the physical, and deflect the metaphysical. He doesn't seem to have as firm a grasp.

[@simonplant5039]

I'm not sure Ben Shapiro has ever laughed genuinely for a long time. Including here. And Neil as always. Is just about the most balanced person out there.

[@vinniedisco7]

Ben holds back in certain areas always mindful that Neil is his guest. The right move.

[@robburnett2672]

i thought ben was a little nasty and confrontational at times he should recognize who is guest is. NDT is a popular scientist not a social debater.

[@colmcq]

I know, Ben outclassed him intellectually

[@GimmeABReakd0wn]

@@robburnett2672 Ironically, the political commentator argues facts and the scientist argues for feelings.

[@_Nosferatu_]

@@colmcq 🤣

[@georgehornsby6882]

@@colmcq lol i'm sorry but the dude who believes in fairytales does not outclass an astrophysicist intellectually

[@stevea1708]

He came of as quite likeable in this interview. But on the topic of abortion and transgenderism he performed exactly like Ben said he would.

[@defyU]

Meaning he acted exactly the way an astrophysicist would act on hot button issues: if it's not astrophysics, gtfo. So what, good for him.

[@dontwanadisplaynameonutube2951]

I find it absurd he claims to not be searching for meaning. Sure he talked about what his personal interest was (learning something new everyday), but isn't that just fulfilling a meaning to his existence (therefore not needing one)? But really, He never once thought about how passing on his knowledge, at the very least, to help future generations and how that could ultimately lead to the biggest question we've ALL asked since we were a child. Why?

[@markwest8960]

Neil fell all over himself when confronted with transgenderism and abortion, especially on transgenderism. NDT is confusing/ conflating personality/self-expression "spectrum" (neuro biology) with gender (physical, anatomy biology)...2 VERY different scientific disciplines. If he'd actually open-mindedly addressed this issue here, he'd see how he doesn't stand with science given his explanation to Ben. NDT says he wants his mind blown at least once a week...he had a very real and public opportunity to have his mind blown here, but Neil's ego was much too fragile and he took a hard pass.

[@Bezmenov93]

He came of as a leftist. Enough for me.

[@idkmynametho8391]

@@Bezmenov93 He came off as a scientist speaking on a field he doesn't understand. If you want to speak to scientists about this subject, go to biologists, Neil isn't a biologist.

[@CATboss001]

Can't tell you how much the jokes and laughing in between serious conversation made this video so wholesome

[@nickrigdon8883]

It is so abundantly obvious how much more intelligent Neil is than Ben, but more importantly, he is so much more thoughtful than Ben

[@ats4670]

Tyson: We must use science to better structure our world and inform our decisions. Also Tyson: We must not let science structure our world and inform our decisions.

[@MrBottlecapBill]

@NearLight Sadly, transgenderism is and has restricted our freedoms already. People lives are being destroyed over what may in fact be something that isn't real.

[@jengleheimerschmitt7941]

@NearLight Is someone proposing outlawing sex-change operations? Other than for children, I mean?

[@jengleheimerschmitt7941]

@NearLight I don't agree that young children who's parents embrace an insane radical-social-constructivist ideology should be given puberty-blockers and surgury appease this mass hysteria. I also oppose children being given cocaine even if they "identify" as enjoying it and their parents approve.

[@jengleheimerschmitt7941]

@NearLight Well, other than restrictions on children with ideologically-posessed parents, what laws are being proposed to restrict the freedom of transexuals? I only see a political and legal attack coming from one side here.

[@jengleheimerschmitt7941]

@NearLight Who are the radicals on the other side that I'm missing? I'd like to be fair, but I'm not going to pretend that radical social constructivists are balanced by some movement of radical biological essentialists. Can you give me an example? I don't understand the question of motivation driving the scientific classification... of something that is an ideological construction. I don't understand what it is that you want to classify scientifically. We already classify personalities on many spectra. If you are defining "gender" as a subjective feeling, or a social construct, then it doesn't have an objective element that really needs to be "classified". If you are talking about simply being _descriptive_ of self-made self-identity, then I don't understand why you would want to classify it really, definitely not how you would do so "scientifically"? Are you suggesting creating and/or codifying new social constructs, or investigating a new biological discovery? Or are you talking about very very rare chromosomal abnormalities? Because I think those are already classified by chromosome. Is there a movement not founded in radical social-constructivist ideology that wants to redefine gender? If I'm missing something I'll take a look...

[@brianeckes7minutesermonser840]

The random firings of neurons and chemistry in my brain just made me think I enjoyed this conversation.

[@Pianoboy1258]

Is it random?

[@jay_hawk9762]

Indeed

[@kingtomthebomb1639]

I completely already feel the same way that Neil deGrasse Tyson does about everything. Everything that he says when he explain stuff it just sings to me. And just rattles off confirmations of things I thought I already knew. It always feels great

[@SirZachariahlll]

Lmfaooo we call this being a thoughtless parroting sheep 😂

[@manueldeltoro9944]

@SirZachariahlll says the been shapiro fallacy conduit that he is, there's a reason he got so much push back bc he tries his shit as his gemic

[@Chloe-qd5vx]

@@SirZachariahlll The key word here is that he *already* shares his opinions, not that he suddenly adopted NDT’s entire worldview. Unfortunately, it looks like reading comprehension isn’t your forte

[@themagicminstrels476]

Lmao you’re not that smart.

[@mags7054]

42:55 Neil deGrasse Tyson "...otherwise, why do we even give a sh*t" and just like that, he throws his science straight out the window. Now he wants to respect what other people believe. Another the smart sounding atheist contradicting himself, right at the fundamental, principle core of his arguments.

[@Blackbird0000]

Neil the way you pose the statement about the guns and laws was amazing. People should really come together collectively and see what’s best for our society.

[@Birdistheword707]

Benny looked up to him and I love the disappointment when he realized Neil doesn’t agree with him.

[@Hange_likes_potatoes_too]

Why

[@questioneverything8572]

I'm almost 1000% certain Ben knew NDT was a progressive liberal prior to this interview, considering he follows him. And for the record Neil never really made any claim regarding biology and sex/gender (to disagree with Ben), he just questioned intentions and stated that it should be studied with empathy/freedom in mind.

[@crvenom]

@@questioneverything8572 yes he tailored his response to Shapiro so he could not argue against it.

[@BlueSpawn]

Neil disputed the notion that we should correct transgender theorists, questioning Ben on why does this topic even matter? Yet in his previous interviews he said: "I have no problem if we ever bump into [God], there's just no evidence of it, and that's why beliefs are called faith: you believe something in the absence of evidence." Yet here he wants transgenderism, which is a belief without evidence, to be approached as a science. This is how you know that progressivism owns the mainstream culture.

[@Hange_likes_potatoes_too]

@@BlueSpawn bro you went from this is what Neil thinks and how he is contradicting himself to THIS IS WHY PROGRESSIVISM OWNS MAINSTREAM CULTURE!!!💀💀💀😂😂😂 stick to one thing lmao

[@AzsuraX]

This is such an important interview in the sense that people who see things completely differently can sit down and talk about their thoughts/perspective

[@TheRaulleal76]

Neal "I'm not a libertarian because the state created Jim Crow laws" Tyson. I don't think Neal understands what libertarian means.

[@Nurgleoneshot]

@OkayGotIt are you bananas?

[@matth5885]

Lokins D true liberatrains believe in free trade which this means free movement of labor

[@rubenleavell]

@OkayGotIt no those are Liberals. Libertarians are the most right wing, in fact they see that everyone should be left alone and the Government shouldn't create a nanny state, they want the federal reserve to vanish, have almost no taxes, want our border controlled. They socially think everyone should be left alone to do what they want.

[@TheRaulleal76]

@OkayGotIt sooooo libertarians believe in state run schools. Ok. Good luck with that.

[@pcharles6565]

OkayGotIt that’s backwards. Libertarians believe in borders and that every person should be able to do what ever they want as long as it doesn’t hurt others physically. It is closer to the constitution and conservatism than any other party. The only thing that is not conservative is the belief in free choice

[@countofst.germain6417]

The is this best interview Ive ever see with Neil. I'm surprised he was so happy to talk about controversial topics, it really made him seem more human.

[@mags7054]

42:55 Neil deGrasse Tyson "...otherwise, why do we even give a sh*t" and just like that, he throws his science straight out the window. Now he wants to respect what other people believe. Another the smart sounding atheist contradicting himself, right at the fundamental, principle core of his arguments.

[@spookysquirtle]

@@mags7054alright but why should we give a shit? If freedom of religion is a thing, aka believing what you want to believe, why is this an issue

[@wombatop4069]

I cringed when Neil Degrasse kept jumping around the gender issue. Our social trends even silence him and he can't be scientific about gender. He kept repeating the "Gender Spectrum". I still like the guy but holy shit people can't be honest without fear from the alt-left.

[@AN-it8dp]

Wombat Op Gender was never anything more than a synonym to sex in our society, or at least since around the 15th century when middle English was a lot more developed and French brought the Latin root “genus” with it, initially meaning type or genre which also uses this root. The verb of said root was generare, which I’m sure you can guess means generate, though the context was usually that of generating offspring. Even the word gender itself was used as a verb to mean procreate, which is why it’s meaning is so tied to different sexes Follow the diagnostic path, you are diagnosed as having gender dysphoria, a disorder which is treated by a relabeling as transgender which is not a disorder. The solution for which is the indulgence of the dissociative identity disorder of the patient through hormone therapy, and later a potential sexual reassignment surgery. Wow, if only they treated schizophrenics this way dinner parties would be far more interesting with my uncle Emperor Constantine the II riding his pet ship dog into the kitchen. Nevermind the parallels to transableism (voluntarily dismembering yourself/cutting off limbs because you feel like you were meant to be disable) which is NOT supported by the SJW 🏳️‍🌈 LGBTQ community at all. This is not because of it having no relation to sexual identity but rather because the idea that someone was meant to be born disabled is difficult to legislate on, even in progressive academia. So you were meant to be a women no problem, but if you were meant to be blind, have one leg, or paralyzed; this raises questions about mental health and the left has no interest in defending that position.

[@iknown0thing]

Well, Neil has said in the past to not have role models. I can like parts of what Neil says and not all. But, yeah won't come to Neil when it comes to this gender/sex and gender spectrum thing. However, I do understand his argument that there might be scientific truths that if applied to law, can limit or completely take away people's freedoms. The problem is that if the majority decide that what's best for society is not to apply a scientific truth then where does it end? We will live in a society that does not value scientific truth and that contradicts Neil's outlook.

[@iknown0thing]

@@6ndfoo99 no bro he's very different than bill nye

[@antardas6734]

6NDFOO9 6ndfoo9 no he’s different

[@toatahu2003]

Neil would have to actually sacrifice something in order for him to be honest about gender. If he was, he would immediately be shunned by the twitter mob and the media, and he would lose all the notoriety he has gained over the years. He's not stupid. He knows what will happen to him if he steps out of line. He doesn't view the scientific reality about gender to be more important than his own fame. Before you berate him for that, consider the fact that it costs you nothing to speak the truth about these things. You say, "scientifically speaking, humans have only two genders." and it costs you nothing (Assuming you don't live in the UK or EU...). Neil says it, and he loses his entire livelihood, and is forced into a political warzone...

[@denan1]

Neil is a national treasure.

[@ViroCMN]

Lol... what a moron

[@jovian304]

Can someone transcribe what Ben tells at 11:04 (about Jewish atheists) English isn't my first lang. And he speaks real fast😂

[@cistokrvnibosanac1266]

@@ViroCMN why is he moron i mean hes not special but hes not stupid and has more iq than average

[@joenuhhh]

Neils so good at keeping a calm conversation. I loved this. God bless everyone who can actually have productive discussions like this. Honestly after hearing them talk I don’t even know who I agree with. In today’s age I think that’s a really good thing.

[@kacodemonio]

Patience is required to deal with immature folks.

[@bingbongjoel6581]

Are you fucking dumb? Take a stance motherfucker

[@mags7054]

42:55 Neil deGrasse Tyson "...otherwise, why do we even give a sh*t" and just like that, he throws his science straight out the window. Now he wants to respect what other people believe. Another the smart sounding atheist contradicting himself, right at the fundamental, principle core of his arguments.

[@mags7054]

Neil deGrasse Tyson on God (Response) kzbin.info/www/bejne/qoDOoa1_jNN6nrc This video will easily and quickly explain some of the reasons why Neal deGrasse Tyson is wrong.

[@Thallus_Alex]

I love everything about NDT. He thinks about every word before he uses it, he's true in him saying he's an educator, he's very patient, he's very funny, and importantly humble. His mind is always open to new things, but he will absolutely not refute with evidence. WHY IS HE TALKING WITH BEN SHAPIRO WHEN THAT"S ALL HE DOES. This is so funny. Even when Ben wanted to talk about how people "can't be trans," Neil's like, "Why the actual hell are we having this conversation? I don't have anything to do with it and you're clearly not open to accepting the science behind it." I'm rolling.

[@mags7054]

42:55 Neil deGrasse Tyson "...otherwise, why do we even give a sh*t" and just like that, he throws his science straight out the window. Now he wants to respect what other people believe. Another the smart sounding atheist contradicting himself, right at the fundamental, principle core of his arguments.

[@spookysquirtle]

@@mags7054ave you really gone and ctrl-V’ed this into every reply disagreeing with your point, was saying it once not enough? Neil states that he is not going to “take religion away from people” despite it being a human concept, this falls under the same category, why should someone saying that they are a woman be taken any less seriously than someone believing that there is an omnipotent person in the sky? Why should I care more if someone believes they were given the wrong gender then if someone believes that there is a different man in the sky than I do

[@udit9957]

The misery of the world is that religious people can be very dangerous… they always find some minority and make their life difficult.. the history is a testament to that…. Niel is always careful when dealing with them

[@Vandicoup]

I mean, simply watch people like Amir Odom and Blaire White and see what they, and other LGBTQs, have to say about the Pride, BLM and LGBTQ+ movements and how far they've all fallen and instead use and abuse those foolish enough to support any of them. Children should make adult decisions when they *become adults.* Schools shouldn't teach sexuality until they're in the 6th grade and drag shows and Pride Parades shouldn't allow kids in until they are 18+. This is all just common sense. Again, watch as many videos from Amir and Blaire as you can about the BLM, LGBTQ, Pride and other Woke, Far-Left agendas and why they've strayed far, far away from it all and why they want the rest of us to do the same. There's many valid concerns to be shared here. We shouldn't dismiss it. It's all about hearing both sides of the argument before coming to a full and proper conclusion, right?

[@FriendOfMara]

​@@mags7054 But it isn't a contradiction. A person can care about scientific fact and the beliefs, feelings, and rights of others at the same time. From what i understood. his point was that science provides knowledge and information that can be used to inform policy decisions, but that *science shouldn't be used as a reason to take rights away from certain groups* as when this happens it usually is reeeeaaaallly bad. Thats not a contradiction, that's simply putting a reasonable boundary on the use of science in politics. In that quote he was saying that it is an interesting field of scientific inquiry, but not relevant to policy decisions because it is an issue of freedom. Science ALWAYS involves bias and values, it is never completely objective because humans are not objective. It is our best method for finding objective facts, but this means we have to be careful with it, placing boundaries on its use, examining it for bias, etc. Which is usually what the philosophy of science of scientific ethics does. A really good scientist always acknowledges this. It doesn't mean they are throwing science out of the window or contradicting themselves. NDT clearly has a good measured view of the issues discussed and is a very grounded scientist.

[@gerhardventer1098]

The best thing to come out of this interview is this exact quote: "We are romantic meatballs, floating in space."

[@henryreinhart5912]

The Word of/from our Creator/Savior & His Gospel begs to differ.

[@krieghart5515]

@@henryreinhart5912 clinging to your interpretation of the Bible is what begs to differ. You haven't listened to a single word of the Christ at all.

[@anotherconservativecomment8100]

Don't agree with him politically, But as a phycisist, certainly respect him.

[@darrengordon-hill]

Great... name 10

[@j-coldho1164]

Neil degrasse is so comforting to listen to the way he explains science in a way that gives you hope that every individual has a purpose found within themselves and that we are the universe

[@mags7054]

42:55 Neil deGrasse Tyson "...otherwise, why do we even give a sh*t" and just like that, he throws his science straight out the window. Now he wants to respect what other people believe. Another the smart sounding atheist contradicting himself, right at the fundamental, principle core of his arguments.

[@mags7054]

Neil deGrasse Tyson on God (Response) kzbin.info/www/bejne/qoDOoa1_jNN6nrc This video will easily and quickly explain some of the reasons why Neal deGrasse Tyson is wrong.

[@jenniferhall9626]

I only love this video because of Neil

[@c.castro4630]

I love that they speak at different speeds!!

[@darksector1389]

I don't watch Ben at all but this is very refreshing to see two Human beings converse about controversial topics respectfully. Seriously if we can just communicate and don't put labels on each other based on our political or religious views, we'll achieve greatness!

[@brentnuttle4193]

Notice how long it takes him to answer questions about transgenders. So afraid to offend the less than 1%.

[@ValoriumStudios]

Brent Nuttle less then 0.00001%

[@robertmurphy2960]

It's not the less than 1% he's afraid to offend it's all the white women that want to defend them... Lol

[@0228christian]

There are more transgender people than there are Jewish people... does that justify antisemitism? It doesn't matter how few people there are in a group, you should respect them as long as the unifying force behind said group isn't bigotry. You argument is dumb.

[@jimolympic]

Christian Reeb Can you tell me where you heard that there are more trans than Jews? I’m generally interested, not trying to start anything with you lol

[@mudkatt2003]

that's exactly what been was asking about. liberals will punish you for wrong think, so much so that the "i only want the truth" scientist is afraid to speak the scientific truth...

[@LordBLB]

NDT is a prime example of something my grandfather told me. "It's not how fast you talk, or how quick your wit is. It's WHAT you say and HOW you say it. Taking extra time to fully articulate your thoughts is not a bad thing. In fact, most people in hindsight will not remember how quickly you spoke; only what you said."

[@dahuterschuter]

Neil, there's nothing about Libertarianism that prevents you from helping others.

[@henryreinhart5912]

In fact the human capacity for charity CANNOT be realized more so than in a fully libertarian society

[@zac3392]

LOL yeah I thought that was a strange response too...

[@stevengonzalez3014]

@@henryreinhart5912 yikes

[@crossfit223]

I suppose Neil believes the government is a better arbiter of charity than the free man. 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@silversurfer4441]

@@henryreinhart5912 By definition. But that doesn't mean it WILL be realized.

[@RA-xx4mz]

I want to see a TV show where Tyson and Ben are friends as kids and they go on adventures and get into all kinds of trouble. Edit: Freedom Toons, make it happen!

[@roncur]

Lol

[@duke9555]

Leave it to Tom Sawyer

[@TheRaulleal76]

Neal "I'm not a libertarian because I wanna help people" Tyson. Meaning: I wanna still have the power of government to threaten everyone else to fund my crusade.

[@JacobHayden911]

How the hell did you interpret that quote to that? lol

[@TheRaulleal76]

@@JacobHayden911 because libertarians believe in voluntary charity. Not forced government programs that's steals from people at gun point and gives it to someone else.

[@JacobHayden911]

@@TheRaulleal76 I'm not a political head so thanks for clearing that up. lol

[@mike-cc3dd]

Fund. Is the keyword. Good call

[@TheReaperCDN]

@@JacobHayden911 - Really? These people are libertarian right wing Shapiro fans. Of course this is how it was interpreted. The lot of them project like a motherfucker because that's what they would do in that situation. There's no empathy with these people. I'd love to do a case study on a group of them sometime. Their ability to cling to anything that supports their position only to immediately dispense with all of it when addressing another topic is uncanny, especially when the topic is directly analogous. Nothing says intellectual honesty better than never bothering to be consistent. /s

[@samuelclimaco297]

I applaud both people. They let each other talk and it goes to show that people can have the same fundamental values, but just interpret them in different ways based on experience