Sam Seder Debates Centrist Democrat

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"HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. - After months of shadowboxing from afar, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo and Cynthia Nixon clashed up close in a heated debate on Wednesday that featured sharp attacks, flashes of frustration and two competing visions for the Democratic Party and New York.
They fought over standing up to President Trump, the subways, releasing their tax returns, health care policy and corruption convictions in the Cuomo administration. For much of the hour, they jabbed and counterpunched, talking over each other repeatedly and accusing each other of distortions, as Mr. Cuomo said Ms. Nixon lives in “the world of fiction.”
“Can you stop interrupting?” Mr. Cuomo said to her at one point.
“Can you stop lying?” Ms. Nixon snapped back.
Mr. Cuomo paused. “As soon as you do,” he answered."*
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[@Pfhreak]

"This is not the year for that." - centrist proverb

[@D_skeptic]

They never think its the year for that

[@Pfhreak]

Exactly

[@Ela.elizabeth]

Yup. If not now, when?

[@mrbadguysan]

"...I would vote for Hitler..." -A Centrist

[@emceecheeks2794]

good stuff right there

[@Sharee3409]

I was “wait...what? Did he just say what I thought he said?”

[@ZiZla999]

I bet this guy listens to Sam Harris.

[@RapidBlindfolds]

when he said that i was like 'he does know he's getting turned into a meme now'?

[@Dronax]

You guys really think centrists are the problem? 😳

[@DJ-zp8hw]

AOC: Has degree in economics, worked for Bernie campaign, won an election against a veteran Dem. Caller: not qualified

[@jake2879]

People like this frustrate me more than Republicans tbh

[@andreseh87]

jake heywood agreed. Assholes like him stunt actual change within the party. And until that happens, this country will not improve.

[@dominique2o06]

Yea the war in our own party is becoming as big as winning in 2020 because we can win but if no changes happen we lost I'm frustrated about this

[@cftpafan]

Love Radiohead btw. Oh, and I agree.

[@Kuhubulu]

10 minutes in & I haven't heard this guy mention a single policy. He really is a centrist!

[@philpottkentucky4802]

We've known since the publication of The American Voter that very few voters vote on the basis of policy. Running on policies is a losing strategy.

[@kundakaps]

philpott kentucky Yeah right! That is why *banning all muslims, building the wall, bringing back jobs from Mexico and Asia and stopping the stupid wars that losers George Bush and no hero captured McCain supported* didn't work for Trump yes? Dude at least try to say shit that is based on reality.

[@mannysikario]

@@kundakaps he's right. If you look at data and reporting from different news networks, Trump voters didn't vote for him because of policy, but because they've heard in a long time what they wanted to hear.

[@jalen441]

Wow, this caller is the distilled embodiment of everything that's wrong with the Democratic Party.

[@nickiel577]

jalen441 yup

[@marciamakesmusic]

@lada zibarova almost 40 comments on this channel calling people hateful for wanting to improve the lives of poor people and comparing them to Trump lol, get a better hobby you loser

[@alexking368]

This guy is totally a Buttigieg supporter now.

[@SamM-lv8hr]

Nah, not stupid enough

[@refoliation]

Dude just be a republican. Live your truth.

[@leepinlepin]

Exactly what I am thinking

[@mxewris2355]

Why do you think that? He clearly is a team sports guy, no deeper analysis than that. Hes just team blue forever probably.

[@NorthwestMariner]

He's a Republican, he just doesn't know it yet

[@WAAAAAAAAAAAY]

I think Centrist Hitler's got legs

[@Jimbot256]

"Better! Things! Aren't! Possible!" chanted the Centrists.

[@nekrataali]

"Maybe if we let them annex Czechoslovakia they'll realize the error of their ways in the marketplace of ideas and totally not start another war! Anti-fascists are the real Germans!"

[@notsayingimbetterthanyoubu3187]

@@nekrataali Did you just use Germans as a slur? You just literally equated all Germans to Nazis? Get some perspective fuck face

[@rickybennett9811]

Unhinged centrists are so funny.

[@gabenewell6998]

Neo-Lib Caller in 2018 - "Cory Booker will be the 2020 Democratic Nominee" Me in 2020 - "That aged HORRIBLY well"

[@colleenhutchison7382]

This caller is exactly what will end up reelecting Trump.

[@deathshredking]

why is Jeffrey so hysterical?

[@adamwebb241]

This caller’s brand of democratic politics has resulted in a decade of democratic decline, culminating in the most dangerous and damaging US presidency in history, and the biggest humiliation in Democratic Party history

[@johnsonjohnson3261]

Bill Clinton: "Third way all the way, baby!"

[@1000aaronaaronaaron]

Ironically outta the same brand that Jimmy Dore is against but Sam wok defend it when it's against Dore

[@johnsonjohnson3261]

@Aaron Rainbolt And Jimmy Dore wants to work with Mike Cernavich because he is "for world peace." He's not a smart man. Sorry, politics have nuance and Sam understands that. Besides it's not even that politically nuanced to understand that after primaries are over you are only left with two choices. That's how the system works. You either work in the system or you don't. What exactly does Jimmy Dore think he is going to achieve?

[@joeydrummer7929]

Aaron Rainbolt no he doesn’t . This is an argument about primaries you moron . Sam supports progressives in primaries but also understands if they don’t win the primary the general is between a shitty democrat and a fucking insane Republican . That’s when you vote for the candidate that’s better than the other. The time to achieve better progressive/left movement in the party is during the primaries . Jimmy DORE is a fucking moron who has insane backwards theories that not voting for the better candidate in general elections , thereby making the worst candidate more likely to be elected somehow will pull the party left . It’s a ridiculous dogshit theory that’s based on a childlike understanding of politics and has caused horrible outcomes in this country that hurt people .

[@trentmiller612]

I didn’t know this species still existed.

[@e.m.francis6946]

Centrism is a slow creep to the right.

[@ReddoFreddo]

This is the kind of person that watches television.

[@definitiveentertainment1658]

Guy: IM YELLING AT VOLUME 11 AND NOBODY CAN TELL HOW IM MANAGING TO BREATHE AHHHHH!!!!! Sam Seder: Facts Guy: Okay I’m sorry. I concede. Can we move the goalpost? -Repeat-

[@webwowo]

Listening back to this a year later and hearing this guy say Booker is "going to be the guy" after his HORRIBLE campaign run is probably the best thing about this call.

[@twistedwell9568]

I just heard that and realized "oh shit this is old"

[@chazbennett8676]

Jeffrey makes Me Proud to be a Berniebro.

[@InternetMameluq]

Bernie supporters are more women actually, so it's Bernie babes.

[@chazbennett8676]

@@InternetMameluq My Mom and Sister love Bernie and Tulsi.

[@InternetMameluq]

Chaz Bennett Smart women.

[@nathandrake5544]

Chaz Bennett Even though we would have undoubtedly been called misogynists I always thought it would be neat if "Hillary hoes" became a thing as a retort

[@Antman4656]

This guy has drunk too much establishment media coolaid.

[@carlos_herrera]

I clicked on this assuming it was a Feldman bit

[@iluvideos]

I wouldn’t mind seeing more Majority Reports vs Centerist Dems.

[@quanicle101]

CORY BOOKER? LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@illusoryneptune]

This is your brain on neoliberalism.

[@Kloutkulture]

Dark Catalyst This is your brain on Destiny

[@shawna7813]

I'll take my chances with an inexperienced politician over a seasoned, corrupt one...

[@dan8085]

This caller is what happens when your education system prioritizes checking off square boxes over critical thinking.

[@mbriancohen]

9/2018: "I think Cory Booker is going to be the nominee." 11/2019: hahahahahahahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA!

[@alsah-him1571]

If you think Cory Booker is going to be the Democratic nominee then you really know nothing about the political state of our country

[@rickmolina2206]

This aged like fine wine. I don't think Cory Booker is even booking 3 percent in the polls right now. Bernie is mother fucking crushing it. LOL Get reked

[@maxfischer5586]

based

[@plasticsoul9051]

.03 perhaps

[@abouttimeforarevolution241]

I had food in my mouth when this guy said Cory was “gonna be the guy!” and nearly choked laughing out loud after that. Best Part of the interview omg

[@darwinawardcommittee]

I think that was really T-Bone on the phone.

[@praticle]

It's been a wild two years

[@HollyComstock15]

The amount of venom in his voice when talking about female politicians makes me so uncomfortable, jeez

[@cherry-xi5wj]

"What are better democrats? A freaking construction worker who knows nothing about politics and an actress in New York, are you joking?" Yikes, Jeffrey. Easy on the classism/misogyny there buddy, your true colors are showing.

[@juggalo184]

I feel strongly about this too. What is his argument saying? That only lawyers, polysci majors or union bosses should run for office? No better than the libertarians who think only restaurant managers should run. The "professional politicians" seem to gravitate to douchebag careers. I'd rather have an intelligent ordinary person who has run for local office and built up to higher office levels. Even at a higher office, they don't need a lot of practical government knowledge as long as they are intelligent, ethical, humble and hardworking. Day-to-day government is what consultants and career bureaucrats are for. Government will mostly run itself as long as fratboys, zealots and corrupt entitled egotists are kept to a minimum.

[@birdies8397]

Elitism at its finest.

[@rligon5172]

This guy is like a NASCAR pit crew for moving goal posts

[@Umberto2]

This guy must be a huge Howard Schultz fan

[@joshuaknepshield4687]

This caller is what Jimmy Dore fans think Sam Seder is. Lol

[@empire918]

All this fool was arguing about was optics. "How are they qualified?" Who gives a rat's a$$ if they're qualified if they're beholden to their donors and don't support the programs I like. I'd rather someone unqualified, who supports my position. Then someone who is, and doesn't support my positions

[@perkodanny]

Yeah, no shit. That's what staffers are for. There's obviously more to governing than drafting proposals and such, but this point, the issues are pretty clear.

[@TechnicalHotDog]

The caller is insufferable

[@TechnicalHotDog]

crazy clown If Kavanaugh is put on the Supreme Court, it is totally the doing of the Republicans. I agree the Democrats can be pretty pathetic a lot of the time, but they are fighting pretty hard on this one.

[@birdies8397]

Literally every time he spoke, I was yelling at my phone, "SHUT UP AND LET SAM TALK FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!!!"

[@Dylanbolton69]

“This is not the time to run on an agenda” lmao then when will it be a good time??

[@giuls19891]

Simple point: 90% of the country had no idea who Crowley was, despite being in congress for years. But now, about 100% of the country knows who AOC is. She has moved people, created an impact and given people a reason to vote. Crowley was such a nobody and did nothing for the country that most people didn’t even know he existed.

[@toxicasset5097]

God man, I hate debating centrists more than far-rightys. I love how they only grow balls against anyone on the left but are the biggest sissies against the right.

[@GSP-76]

Because centrist idiots are the same as the right...

[@charleswashington3973]

The problem with centrists is that they simply don’t *know anything.* I hate the far-right with a *passion,* but what I will give them is they at the very least are politically savvy. While we disagree with their interpretation of what should be done politically or economically, they at least know enough to engage in discussion. Because they at least know the framing of the discussion, they are much easier to convince to our cause (assuming their political beliefs are based in economics or politics, not racism or fascism.) Centrists do not know ANYTHING. All you have to do is watch this video to see that. This entire video is Sam explaining basic shit that every leftist already knows. Find me one leftist or person on the far-right who doesn’t see the problem with dark money or corporate endorsements, and I’ll find you a dozen centrists who share the sentiment. Then, because centrists believe they’re on some holier-than-thou nirvana-state yin-and-yang shit, they’re absurdly passionate about their lack of ideals, making them annoyingly difficult to persuade particularly if they argue in bad faith or from a position of emotion, as the caller does here.

[@God_Is_An_Atheist]

Jeffrey doesn't seem to understand that people don't just want to vote against something (e.g. Trump), they want to vote for something (Medicare for all, free college, ending the wars etc.)

[@notsayingimbetterthanyoubu3187]

Ya Hillary lost because she had an "I deserve your vote, I'm almost as good as Bernie, you want to beat Trump don't you?" attitude. I absolutely could not vote for her dumb ass. I registered Democrat for Bernie, they screwed him over, Hillary deserved to lose. I give zero fucks, not the slightest regret. I don't play for the fucking team. If you want people to give a shit you need to offer them something. Centrists offer nothing, not even ideas. Buttigieg talks for hours and says fucking nothing, idk where he stands on anything, I just know he stands wayyyy off to the side of other viable candidates because he's useless. Hillary ran to beat Trump, and she didn't bring an army, cause her rally speech was directed at Corporate interests, and the people all shook their heads and laughed. But this fool think her strategy is what will beat Trump. Good luck buddy. If Biden is nominee then their plan is to lose

[@liz1646]

This guy's argument didn't age well. Especially the Corey Booker.

[@wendell7173]

On another note, Jeffrey has no problem with money in politics. Centrist complacency. They dont care or are not educated enough on the subject.

[@dylankennedy4539]

Fuck this guy was worse than any of the fringe right callers I’ve heard

[@FreeJaffa92]

This is way better than any libertarian debate.

[@kondawg8247]

FreeJaffa92 right

[@RileyRampant]

this putz aside, debates with articulate centrists would be good to have. they usually seem to think, however, that people having nice things like healthcare will end life as we know it, which goes to the existential question - what are you doing here?

[@zachc349]

Caller: Makes assertion Sam: Disproves assertion with facts Caller, angrier: "Fine, whatever" proceeds to make another false assertion - but louder this time. This call in a nutshell.

[@septima1789]

I honestly don't see a reason to give shitty fence-sitter faux-pragmatic centrists the time of day anymore. No more compromising. No more cronyism. No more nepotism. No more Blue Dog Democrats. No more special treatment. No more corruption. No more corporate interests. I'm done with that.

[@liftistswoletariat7184]

They will bend the fucking knee, dont you worry

[@benigntumor]

This guy is waaaaay funnier than David "I'm an old lefty from way back" Feldman!😆😋😋

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

Lol even feldo would laugh at this lefty from way back

[@DalleDayul]

This is hilarious to look at in retrospect after AOC absolutely bodied not only her 2018 Republican opponent but also her 2020 primary opponent just recently

[@Fragenzeichenplatte]

Also his prediction about Cory Booker being the Democratic nominee.

[@topdamagewizard]

This guy is 100% right. I sure am glad HRC stayed the course and saved us from Trump and the GOP. Ohhhh wait That didn't fucking happen

[@pillbox1240]

Topdamagewizard But maybe we should give her another chance because I think the 3rd time is a charm or something

[@adamcuthbert4383]

"Medicare For All, except Jeffrey from Philly" I'd support that!!!

[@BladedBear]

"Hitler could come back from the dead and run as a Democrat and I'd vote for him" Yeah...that just about sums up most fence-sitters and centrists.

[@TedApelt]

The caller does a good job explaining why the Democrats have been on a long losing streak until the last election.

[@damirbecirbegovic3374]

I see it like this, if Dems aren't progressive, what's the point of voting for them? I don't care about experience

[@Dr0Qui3T]

Those are my general feelings as well. Its why I didnt vote Hillary. I was confident enough most people would vote for her without me.

[@user-uy6uc5ey5q]

Dr0Qui3T What state? If its a one Trump won, then you "general feelings" mean a lot of people are suffering today.

[@kakibackup2koujo612]

+Dr0Qui3T sounds like a oxymoron

[@manifestman132]

He just seems mad his party is not going to be Republican light anymore.

[@nukiradio]

Womp womp

[@MrSmallANDLoud]

“ it’s not the year for that “ - said every centrist every single year.

[@simoneleone]

Exactly. This will ALWAYS be the case as long as we keep voting in politicians who suck simply because they suck a smidge less than the other side. Progressive policies will always lose under this mentality. Only when we say, 'Uh...nope.' to centrists - will we have a chance at forcing the left to actually BE the left in ways that truly matter.

[@trentirvin2008]

MrSmallANDLoud they’re basically people like my dad that don’t actually get affected much by who’s in office at the time. Money kind of warps your point of view

[@rust44]

“Centrist democrat” isn’t that redundant?

[@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965]

haaaah nailed it

[@ALA87]

Sam did a really good job with this debate and he is right. The hate for AOC is so dumbfounding and idiotic. Once again let's hate the person actually there for the people.

[@IcarianX]

Can we stop calling these people “centrists”? Because they’re center of a pretty right wing conservative (except when it comes to blowing up that military budget!), oligarchy serving political party. Center right or “classical” conservative is a better term.

[@seanthomas600]

It's never "the right time" for Democrats not to be corporate to these people. The caller should study historical maps and see what has become of the Democratic Party since 1994. Corporate Democrats have all but handed the midwest to Republicans. Along with more power in general for the GOP at virtually every level in any 25 year period since the 1920's. ( Or the 1880's in some cases. ) Just be honest caller, you don't care about real people or everyday issues. You are fine with a permanently corrupt sell-out GOP-lite party. One which doesn't represent middle and working class Americans, and just plays to identity politics as a substitute for real representation. The caller does not even understand about building support for change over time. "But we can't run on issues until we have majorities everywhere. And then we will water them down anyway............" :(

[@rickmolina2206]

I wish I knew who this guy was so i could find is Twitter and ask him about Booker being the nominee.. lol

[@streeterville773]

Who the fuck is 'qualified'? What the fuck does that mean in a post Trump world? Any one of us is qualified at this point. We'd do a better job too.

[@SoopSah420]

Fighting the good fight against these angry centrist clowns. Thanks Sam!🙏

[@Devv_93]

“I’m pretty sure Corey Booker is going to be the democratic nominee” god this guy is out of his fucking mind cuckoo 😂😂😂

[@FloyDJode]

I literally see no point to centrists. It's just a reaction against change.

[@davidroberts1689]

Voting for the lesser of two evils has gotten us into this mess. Voting for lesser evils is still voting for evil.

[@davidroberts1689]

Voting for lesser evil never gets it any less evil.

[@powderedtoastfacekillah734]

Dude said cuomo is “horribly qualified” Dude said booker would be the next dem nominee. Booker just threw in the towel

[@jonathanpalmquist4894]

Yeah we need more centrist "Democrats" like Joe Manchin, so we can fill the Supreme Court with far right conservatives.

[@onomatopoeia162003]

who won't be returning :)

[@jjm3503]

This guy is acting like we didnt try his strategy in 2016. HRC was the most qualified resume candidate we've ever had. What was the result? A reality TV show clown is now president and the democratic party lost 1000 seats. #clueless

[@jimmorrison9287]

@grant macneil Obama didn't run as a centrist. He ran as a populist who would end the wars in the middle East , give us a public option, repeal the patriot act, repeal bushs tax cuts, regulate wall street and kick lobbyist out of Washington. He ran as a populist then governed as a centrist. That's why the democrats lost a thousand seats in local and state elections and They lost the house under Obama. Then they lost the Senate. If centrist is what people really wanted none of this would have happened.

[@tpac3653]

Sams patience is amazing, love this show

[@curiouskarl5485]

caller: we need to run people who have broad appeal sam: ocasio-cortez has broad appeal caller: yeah we need to run these unpopular centrists despite their lesser appeal though

[@Chronically_ChiII]

The majority of democrats don't want more fringe socialist, they will rather not vote making trump win.

[@notsayingimbetterthanyoubu3187]

@@Chronically_ChiII good thing that your WAAAYYYY wrong on your definition of Majority

[@bkspicture]

Giant mystery how this party could lose the presidency to a living cartoon character.

[@andrewcowan9066]

This poor caller fails to realise that they are actually republican.

[@redlightmax]

Andrew Cowan "Why do none of the Democrats think like I do?" - Jeffrey, probably

[@onomatopoeia162003]

Yes. the old moderate to liberal Republicans. Well their kids. That;s where they went. :) This was before they were chased out of town.

[@Lightningsnowstorm]

Sam was right by the way. Joe Crowley won only 50,352 votes in his last off year election in 2014, while AOC got over 100,000 votes in 2018.

[@onyx8231]

If it wasn't for AOC I wouldn't know Joe Crowley's name.

[@pancakehouse2900]

Omg this guy is so obnoxious!

[@simonlawrenson6972]

RIP Michael Brooks, you will always be remembered!

[@metalbrainmextrememetalent6810]

He was so good in this video.

[@jonnyfyre2344]

Dude said Booker would be the nominee.

[@nukiradio]

Cory Booker???

[@tomaszk.8521]

I must say, Sam is really good at this stuff.

[@leonscott543]

The isnt centrist. This is textbook conservatism. The window has just been shifted so much that we call him a centrist lolol Bernie is a centrist.

[@lisalj44]

This guy is in too deep. He's bought into party-over-policy decades ago and he's baffled that people actually expect elected officials to work for their votes.

[@RipTheJackR]

7:22 Rofl so great, "She *won* in those places" caller _aborts_ current train and starts a new one "it doesnt matter". holy hell.

[@chinchillaintheheat2641]

I didn’t think there was any ordinary people who were actually enthusiastic about establishment democrats. What a weirdo.

[@johnnytocino9313]

There were plenty of them , they're just doing well financially or have faith in an institution that is seriously corrupt.

[@weaponx8491]

Amazing how somebody so passionate about a topic can also be so out of touch regarding the same topic. Holy shit.

[@MerrickJ1]

This dude was literally mad at elected officials for having policy. I kept thinking...damn, I must not be smart enough to understand why he's mad but then he said it again...and again...

[@gerkogerkogerko]

This guy's Cory Booker prediction has aged very well 😂

[@TheVFXbyArt]

Wow... centrist democrats are the new libertarians for sam sedar to debate!

[@Grisostomo06]

This episode is so old and obsolete as to be irrelevant. AOC has been far more than a backbencher. She's like a comet. I've been around a long time and I've never seen anything like her. She's an internet phenomena. In fact I would say she's a new kind of politician who knows how to use social media better than anyone else including Donald Trump. Three months into her first term in any elected office and she's on the cover of Time magazine. Everyone knows who she is. Even Donald Trump can't ignore her. Saying she's just another politician is like saying a diamond is just another rock.

[@ConnerMello2]

I wonder if this dude enjoys being the most passionately boring person ever.

[@ConnerMello2]

@Valmorain Yeah, nothing to get the jimmies rustled like centrist incrementalism!

[@deborahhoffman7394]

Conner Boyd Not too mention that he cannot debate anyone in a rational way.

[@deborahhoffman7394]

Valmorain How could you even understand him?

[@charleswashington3973]

Valmorain I found him “interesting” in the same way I find children on the playground getting angry about who the other kids’ parents are voting for interesting. Someone completely out of their depth getting passionate about something they clearly know nothing about.

[@schwaaamjohnson7971]

This almost makes me feel worse than when Sam talks to libertarians :/

[@jessetreadway5249]

People who almost get it but are a little too full of themselves to really get the point.

[@azz3million]

Absolutely. Centrits like this guy are more dangerous to progress than any conservative

[@Arkayem]

I was going to measure how far the caller's goal posts moved but I ran out of rulers.

[@sama2903]

He lost me with "[I will vote for Hitler if he ran as a Democrat]"

[@pradeepcharath9677]

This guys arguments didn’t age well😂

[@BruhWhyDidTheyChangeThis]

A centrist democrat is a diet Republican

[@haraldisdead]

I gotta listen to this once a month to remind myself of who is in the party

[@madimeyer2862]

I cracked up every time Sam called him out and and he said "Alright! Fair enough..." And then confidently went right back to his misinformed ranting

[@brapbraprcksn]

exit polls showed 70% of americans support Medicare for All this guy : "YOU CAN'T SELL MEDICARE FOR ALL"

[@jesspavlichenko5745]

Medicare for All has been for sale for a long time and it's still sitting on the shelf

[@GabrielSparkletits]

Never seen a democrat who knew so little claim to know so much.

[@markfrancis6314]

Wow this guy has zero self control. He gets so mad so quickly, calm down dude. Like zero to 100. So annoying, when you can only scream your argument it just makes you sound uneducated.