Young Libertarian Calls In To Debate Sam

Sam Seder takes a young liberty lover to the Libertarian learning annex...
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[@davejones8415]

So I am going to make an important acknowledgement here. This caller, "Dan," may be young and accordingly naive, but the little guy does a great job at remaining calm, polite, and respectful. All other MR callers, specifically Jim, Walter Block, and Daryl of DarylLand could all tske a hint and follow in Dan's relatively large foot steps!

[@aaroncarson1770]

He's the best libertarian debater I've heard yet.

[@tinamoul]

That's because Sam is being patient and trying to teach him, because there's still hope for him.

[@Snake8jake]

This kid is fucking insufferable, I'd rather he be a raving nut at least then his nonsensical worldview would make sense

[@Tmanaz480]

Somehow I have hope for this kid. Maybe someday he'll call back and let us know he's changed his views.

[@Travis7060312]

@@Snake8jake He's a kid.

[@sama979]

The kid libertarian's phone works perfectly, yet none of the adult libertarians' phones work? He must not be a libertarian then...

[@SoundsSilver]

His parents must be Socialists

[@influencerpodcasts]

I was prepared for a lot of static

[@rsr789]

Also, someone probably taught him how to use a phone, whereas all libertarian's are 'self-taught'.

[@youcanttakemyDIGNITY]

​@@rsr789😆👍

[@aaronjosephs2560]

wow, this kid is genuinely the most salient and well reasoned libertarian caller i've heard on this show...

[@powbobs]

That’s a pretty low bar.

[@whispersmith]

I think he's just a smart kid who is working out his own ideology. Some of the older ones, the clay has already gone through the kiln

[@elgronian3432]

not a high bar

[@Dante-420]

Not only is it a low bar, but like Sam was hinting at, the dude is barely a libertarian. He just likes the name. He sounded inquisitive and open-minded - I wouldn't be surprised if he's cracked open a few books by now and became an anarcho-communist or democratic socialist lol

[@rsr789]

@@powbobs Correct. It's so low, James Cameron couldn't find it in the Marianas Trench.

[@MrMasterDebate]

Sam, the way you responded to this child in such a respectful manner was AMAZING. You didnt take advantage of the fact that the kid was young and was preaching a vunrable ideology. Good for you

[@sirius1696]

Sam returns the energy you bring to the call. I'm sure Dan will call the show back one day as a libertarian socialist to thank Sam or something

[@nosuchthing8]

Good post. You misspelled vulnerable.

[@lbnFadl]

He's a bright kid. He'll grow out of it, or perhaps already has by now

[@Apjooz]

Why don't you want to pay your landlord, Daddy State, what is his?

[@BruhWhyDidTheyChangeThis]

Orrrr he seems like a bright kid cuz he’s young and it’s endearing but when he’s 30 he’ll sound like every other baby brain libertarian lmao

[@Ciph3rzer0]

@@taxslave5906 everyone who disagrees with you isn't a state-worshipping authoritarian

[@TheDalaiLigma]

@@taxslave5906 “freedom advocates” LOL libertarians have no idea what a free society means. My transition out of libertarianism was mostly the slow realization that libertarianism is simply a pipeline into corporate fascism. The state is just a corporation, the services/goods they peddle is a monopoly in authority/violence because it’s human nature to monopolize violence/authority. The libertarian paradigm of how the world should work largely ignores human nature, and that’s why it’s a joke. I still love me some Ayn Rand novels though

[@honestchrismcg]

I have to hand it to Dan; he's totally naive about the complexity of civilization with all of its moving parts interacting all at once, but he's probably the most civil, reasonable and intelligent libertarian to call in to Sam's show, with maybe the one possible exception of that Canadian newspaper columnist. Compare Dan -- who I assume is still a teenager -- to the septuagenarian, Ivy League-educated economics professor Walter Block in terms of knowledge, intellect and manner and Dan the (probably) sixteen-year-old boy makes Block look like an escaped mental patient.

[@blackmichael75]

Give Dan five years or so and he'll have realized the flaws in these ideas and worked past them. You mark my words.

[@zombiesingularity]

I thought it was a 55 year old woman who has smoked all her life.

[@neobot49]

Christopher McGowan HEY! HEY! HEY! Stop being rational!

[@Shern1922]

Seriously the kid will not be libertarian much longer if he keeps his commitment to Truth.

[@SteveGellerMusic]

Compare almost ANYONE to Walter Block and he looks like an escaped mental patient.

[@GB-pr2cx]

This kid is bright for a Libertarian. He should call in again in this year, 2022.

[@docdeeone64]

This kid did the best job of taking on Sam out of all the libertarian callers so far.

[@djStens]

@@taxslave5906 lmao I love how calling someone a statist is an insult. Libertarians are some of the most delusional people on the planet.

[@djStens]

@@taxslave5906 yup, I definitely bet you could find a poll where 60% of Americans agree with eliminating critical government services and departments. Lol

[@772364327rhdhqwag]

@@taxslave5906 this is beyond satire lmao. Gary johnson said it so it must be true??

[@772364327rhdhqwag]

@@taxslave5906 you're just wrong man. Private prisons have the incentive of treating inmates as poorly as possible to save money and fit as many into one space as possible to maximize revenue. If you think that's a healthy dynamic you're well out of your depth.

[@772364327rhdhqwag]

@@taxslave5906 there are many studies that show you're more likely to be assaulted by a guard, by another inmate, in private prisons compared to public ones. Those who went through the private prisons system also show higher rates of reoffending than those who went through public prisons.

[@kylebernadyn2465]

Libertarian: "We live in a welfare state!" Leftists: "Let's punish the corporations responsible." Libertarian: "But that's MEAN."

[@robmckennie4203]

I'll give this caller one thing, he doesn't appear to have his empathy surgically removed in the way that most libertarians have

[@Tmanaz480]

Sam's excellent paternal instincts are clearly on display here, without becoming patronizing. Nice.

[@SomeOne1121]

Smart kid, well-spoken and humble. Maybe with some more life experience he'll come around :)

[@ASPEDBUSDRIVER1]

He will. Hell be a conservative in a few more years ;)

[@christianknuchel]

@@ASPEDBUSDRIVER1 Not so sure about that. I'm wondering how many conservatives even know what a worker cooperative is.

[@ASPEDBUSDRIVER1]

@@christianknuchel whats the significance of knowing that? Lol

[@deadmeat1471]

@@ASPEDBUSDRIVER1 So you dont look like an idiot when you realise you understand nothing about everything youre against(as Peterson did in his recent debate with Zizek), youre just against it because it makes you feel good for some reason specific to you.

[@g2trashtxd781]

@@deadmeat1471 Didn't that debate just pan out to Zizek saying communism wasn't ideal and that they literally agreed on almost everything.

[@democrazy69]

Did better than Walter Block and Peter Schiff.

[@democrazy69]

whyamimrpink78 Blood is green. The sky is purple. I can say unfounded shit, too.

[@-Diamond-Dave-]

+whyamimrpink78 even a year later you are wrong

[@r_bear]

about twice the IQ

[@iammrmanager]

The first Walter Block interview was such a shit show lol.

[@RipTheJackR]

@@iammrmanager HEYHEYHEYHEYHEY!!!!!!!!!!!

[@slowbro173]

I’d love an update on this young man, I hope he’s well.

[@SteveGellerMusic]

This is the most intelligent Libertarian I have heard on your show, and it is fairly hard to find a second-place finisher in that category. It was funny, though, that after 19 minutes of a slow boil of hermeneutics and nuanced definitions of the subject matter, out came the argument about the magically unified Community Militia fighting against the big employer in the neighborhood, despite some of them probably wanting jobs at that company, and the Private Defense Force fighting against the company's much larger Private Defense Force. Are either of these things really a sufficient check on power? Or is it up to the aggrieved citizen to start his own fledgling tire-making company and put the big company out of business before he gets sick from the fumes?

[@NightfallGemini]

It's the Great War Great Hero power fantasy. Kid watched some anime and wants to be the rugged, hot-blooded shounen hero. That's pretty much the baseline for all this 'rugged individualist' tripe. Incidentally, this is why some subcultures like furries or otaku tend to have relatively large groups of libertarians.

[@devourerofbabies]

_This is the most intelligent Libertarian I have heard on your show_ That says so much, and yet so little. _It was funny, though, that after 19 minutes of a slow boil of hermeneutics and nuanced definitions of the subject matter, out came the argument about the magically unified Community Militia fighting against the big employer in the neighborhood_ It always comes down to that. Private interests duking it out in a might-makes-right showdown. Discussions of their Libertopia always come down to that. Every. Single. Fucking. Time.

[@devourerofbabies]

***** Interesting. I've noticed that a lot of Libertarian commenters have anime avatars. Yet one more reason to hate anime fans.

[@jeova0sanctus0unus]

how did you get furries into this?

[@abrahamgiradin2791]

Maximum level of ‘I’m 14 and this is deep’

[@evelkidnievel]

well that was interesting. I have to give it to Sam, he's open to a fair debate.

[@DensetsuVI]

It's always refreshing to see Sam smash libertarians callers apart.

[@MjAuRdXo]

They always go with economics.

[@konkelberryfinn]

William Sophistos It's like economics is a philosophy. Economic philosophy? This is just greed relativized into absurdity.

[@TheColossalBlanket]

Who knew that comic book guy from the simpson's kid was a libertarian?

[@jeffc5974]

Fair enough.

[@wickedninja8599]

He uses the term "genuine libertarian" which is called the No True Scotsman Fallacy! Sam was spot on when he pointed out a total free market is the majority of what libertarianism is!

[@Tmanaz480]

Yes, but he's clearly a thoughtful guy and seems to have a good foundation of logic, He'll get there. I'm very impressed with his listening skills. He was clearly listening to and responding to Sam's points, He had mobilitu and wasn't just working his way down a page of notes like many callers do.

[@crenfick7750]

I was one of those libertarian, an-cap teenagers and while ofc I grew up, I'm still glad I did it. Made me think a lot, read some smart (if mistaken) essays, and figure out how to communicate complicated ideas. I grew up in a very progressive community (it definitely had to do with some teen rebellion) so it also taught me to question what I was taught. Right wing anarchism was my gateway to left wing anarchism lol. I think this kid might go through the same thing. I mean, bringing up war and political repression, or the concept of universal income, or worker co-ops blossoming, this kid is already showing good signs. Not to mention now that kids are going through nazi phases, I'd much rather it be libertarianism.

[@RoninDave]

Wait, was he suggesting at the end if your neighbor has a factory with smoke blowing into your place you should have a militia or private defense force and do what? Invade your neighbor's land? Force him at gun point to stop polluting your yard? And who would be part of this force anyway? Why would they work for you or care about your yard?

[@kathykelly5930]

you realize that environment regs are enforced at gunpoint right? If you don't comply, see what happens. Someone polluting your yard with deadly smoke is a serious aggressor.

[@RoninDave]

kathy kelly but in his libertarian paradise where and who is this private defense force or militia that any citizen can have? What if his private defense force is bigger and better armed?

[@jblacka9459]

+Ronin Dave The more money you have the more you can defend your rights. So the poor would effectively have no rights if they can't afford the militia or private police.

[@christianknuchel]

@@kathykelly5930 So, basically, society should be organized in gangs that resolve their disputes by the means of war?

[@kathykelly5930]

@@christianknuchel hmmm, sounds like the government

[@Ryw316]

It took nearly 5 years but I think another Libertarian caller had the perfect solution for the factory owner burning rubber across the street from Sam's home: "Just assassinate the guy"

[@mcsweatshop]

Lmao 16 year old kid sounds like socrates compared to the rest of the libertarian callers. props.

[@Mablak200]

Sorry Dan, but you need to practice better skepticism. There's no evidence to suggest that 'worker co-ops would blossom' without the government, that's an enormous and unjustified claim. And private militias in place of police would be a major downgrade; some chunk of the population wouldn't pay into the system (due to being poor, uninformed, etc), and would be uncovered when they're in need of help. Whereas our current system covers everyone.

[@hihihitaytaytay]

I'm sure homeless people would prefer not to be "covered" in this system (as they are frequently harassed by cops).

[@Mablak200]

hihihitaytaytay They would be harassed to some extent either way. But in libertopia they would never receive assistance when someone decides to go A Clockwork Orange on them.

[@NightfallGemini]

hihihitaytaytay In Libertarian Land, they'd just be shot or street-swept with impunity. You can fix this issue with legislation under the current system, but if the rich-fuck 'berts call in Blackwater you'll just have a bloodbath.

[@kathykelly5930]

large chunks of the population don't pay in now, 50% of ppl pay no effective income tax.

[@NightfallGemini]

[citation needed]

[@matthewbrown2619]

I don't know why, but lile once a year I find myself digging deep and re-watching a bunch of these old libertarian debates...i do always get a good laugh.

[@lauramartin5579]

Matthew Brown me too

[@mooreanonumbers]

This kid did a lot better than most libertarian callers, kudos to him for keeping his cool

[@slipperynickels]

it’s wild to me that the most intelligent libertarian caller sam has gotten was a kid.

[@FirebirdCamaro1220]

Libertarianism would only work for wealthy people, because without government and everything privatized, only the size of your wallet would determine what protections and services you could have, so someone making minimum wage would have no protection from private law enforcement and without welfare would starve to death

[@patriciamcdermott2761]

Which is why the Libertarian Party is funded by the Koch brothers, it would just make them richer and enable a dictatorial society.

[@FirebirdCamaro1220]

I know that I make an above avg income, and still live paycheck to paycheck, only the wealthy can give to charity without sacrificing their own quality of life. And besides, charity won't cover everything covered by welfare now, and you know it

[@NedTesco]

"So without government there's no such thing as charity? You have a low opinion on people." Except it's not that is it - it's an objective look at human history before large-scale state run social programs, where charity was severely inadequate and people lived in grinding poverty. Or even a look at some third world states today without social programs where charity is wholly inadequate.

[@robinsss]

I am against the ancap philosophy but people could continue to flourish financially without the state and continue to help the poor en masse with private systems that they createthe truth is that a society without a government is an ancap societynot a libertarian onethe LP, Milton Friedman, and Ayn Rand all stated that they oppose eliminating the government so ancap is not libertarianism

[@chairmanofrussia]

Not to mention, with anarcho-capitalism, it would become nearly impossible to climb the social ladder. Someone’s got to pay for the roads and if it isn’t the government, then it’s going to be a private interest. “Got a job that’s 20 miles away? Excellent! Just pay me (the owner of the road), $200/day, to use the road, as part of our gold plan! We don’t sell the silver plans and below to people travelling more than 15 miles to work everyday. What? Your company doesn’t pay you nearly enough because there’s no regulations on how much your employers pay you? That’s too bad!” And it goes on and on with every facet of life. And forget rising the social ladder with good ideas-there are no neutral parties who will protect your patents. There’s nothing to stop any privately owned patent office from selling your patents to the highest bidder-they gotta make money too you know! What ancaps and libertarians don’t understand is that society is a lot more complex than just “supply and demand” and “taxes” and “the invisible hand!” and “economics”. There are networks and systems and people involved. Business is almost as much about people and understanding human nature as it is about money. You have to understand your markets, which are made up of *people*, network with *people*, satisfy clients-aka *people* etc. in *pursuit of profit*. All that is lost on libertarians. Human nature plays a big role in how society turns out. The economic system involved is just the input that people will respond to, but it guarantees no result. TL;DR Libertarians don’t understand that an entirely free market will not solve all their problems, and can even make them worse, because the people involved in that market are more nuanced and complex than that.

[@hezekiahramirez6965]

I have some hope for this kid. He's probably been indoctrinated by his parents and told all these things but he's too young to understand what he's really saying. He probably doesn't have the life experience yet to be able to think this through on a meaningful level. he's probably homeschooled and when he gets into the real world he'll start to figure things out.

[@darkmaster19944]

The kid talked about worker co-ops. He just hasn't discovered libertarian socialism yet.

[@EchoMirage72]

Libertarian: "I don't think it's fair if you categorize Libertarianism as this monolithic entity because each Libertarian is so varied, but let me describe liberalism as this monolithic entity that has variables to it."

[@frankcollins6071]

Which militia is Dan talking about? Militias are commonly anti-government, racist, religious fanatics involved in terrorism. None of them care about pollution and, as libertarians, they'd tell the poor to get a job then move away. Good luck finding any local militia or private security that follows procedures, enforces laws, and fights off other militias. While many police are far from perfect, who do you think would take over and who dictates what they do? It's the same people with even less accountability and corporations. We've tried privitizing our military under Bush and that didn't work.

[@Nethr]

It always brightens up my day when you get a libertarian caller Sam Seder. Thank you, it was very entertaining.

[@arsmor1end1]

"50 year-old man." Miss you, Michael Brooks.

[@WAAAAAAAAAAAY]

I'll give it to him..... This is the most coherent libertarian to call in. It's a fairly boring conversation though because they don't seem to get anywhere. I do happen to agree with him on a citizens income - which is a very left-libertarian view. There are people who campaign for that in Scotland :)

[@jonathanrubin9094]

Isn't it amazing how every single Libertarian, without exception, relies on the no true Scotsman fallacy? They all think that every OTHER fellow Libertarian is somehow not a 'true' or 'real' Libertarian or they claim that every other Libertarian has misrepresented this ideology/philosophy/worldview.

[@hihihitaytaytay]

Every single Libertarian without exception? Sounds like a strawman. And then you wonder why libertarians call you out for creating strawmen.

[@SteveGellerMusic]

hihihitaytaytay Let me correct him. I have never heard a Libertarian speak publicly about another Libertarian and agree that the first person had given an accurate portrayal of Libertarianism. How many Libertarians have I heard speak? Probably 30. That's a strong trend.

[@konkelberryfinn]

Jonathan rubin Feminists tend to sound alike. "Well that BITCH is not a real feminist", "white men cant be feminists" etc. great way to defend a movement or ideology. Not saying that i like or dislike the feminist movement, it has flaws like anything else, but i think there must be a pattern for people idenitifying themselves as some -ist of sort.

[@hihihitaytaytay]

It's been a few months, but I wanted to make another argument: libertarianism includes a wide scope and its different proponents have contradictory philosophical and economic foundations. Libertarians advocate for smaller government. How small? That is a very important debate within the ideology. Thus, instead of using the catch-all term, it is probably more useful to ask the person in question if they are a constitutionalist, minarchist, or anarchist, and go from there.

[@SteveGellerMusic]

hihihitaytaytay Ok. But you should probably come to grips with the fact that the differences that separate you into these groups are nowhere as large as the similarities that put you imperfectly under the umbrella of "Libertarianism." Even people who agree with one another on virtually everything are going to find 10 differences of opinion to debate about. If those two people have to be separated into different groups, it is misleading because they typically agree on virtually everything. I can't have a debate with 20,000 individual people. That is why it makes sense to find broad similarities and debate people who are largely (if not always perfectly) representative of the general movement. You can't make any sort of political statement about any ideological group if everything is going to sink into the cracks of slight variations from person to person.

[@cnferguson5]

I'm on Sam's side but sometimes he gets arrogant esp. when his colleagues in the back snicker and some small passive remark he makes like when he says "Fair Enough."

[@-Diamond-Dave-]

+Charles Ferguson I will give you that, I completely agree. But I also get annoyed when these libertarians get stuck and laugh to feign disbelief, when really they just had their last statement stuffed back i their face. But for sure, I have seen what you say for sure.

[@cnferguson5]

Dave Diamonddog yeah some of the younger libertarians that call in also do that snarky laugh as well. All in all, I'm on Team Seder.

[@garygantz1053]

@@-Diamond-Dave- fair enough!..(how has no1 else done that joke in 3 years?!)

[@-Diamond-Dave-]

@@garygantz1053 Wow, a reply after 3 years, you must always be late to the party like I am. Except i don't usually realize it till after I posted :)

[@garygantz1053]

@@-Diamond-Dave- comedy is all about....

[@rob9726]

It was so nice to see you immediately switch from your facetious sarcasm to a calm and non-comedic tone when the kid came on. No youth deserves to be shredded by Sam, it'd be too vicious.

[@Ciph3rzer0]

He also is able to listen, comprehend and respond like a rational human being unlike most libertarians. So I don't think it has anything to do with him being a kid that he received a serious conversation

[@dalebrown6716]

That was a great segment you handled the kid good Sam👏

[@ese7552]

This was a very nice conversation, congrats to all involved. I wish they called back when Sam invites them to, but they really never do :(

[@user-rr7cp9sz1n]

Good interview. Seder probably knew pretty quick he was a kid, didn't mock him, just did what he could to keep him on point and engage in those points, and finished off with a "Hey, he sounded young and did what young people should; thinking!" Well done.

[@boyznthewoodz770]

Dude tbf this kid sounds like he has a better grasp on reality than 90% of Sam’s callers. I think there’s probably hope for this kid given some life experience and a good role model

[@MsEditrix]

Bless his heart.

[@Evocatorum]

Its adorable to watch kids debate things that they don't actually fully comprehend. The idea that someone like the Koch are just going to "follow the rules" makes me wanna just hand him a snuggly blanket and a warm cup of cocoa 'cause this kind of innocence is the type of thing we need more of in the world.

[@kissfan7]

Fun fact: when someone uses the phrase "it's interesting that...", 95% of the time the thing that follows that statement is not interesting at all.

[@AsparagusG]

Actually in its own way this is an iconic libertarian call, this kid was one of the most of the civilised and open-minded libertarian callers. Also one of the most open and honest and reflective videos of Sam.

[@aaronsmith9823]

Sams like “I wanna pick this up in the future” and my brain is like 🤯🔥🌪🔥🌪🤯

[@gracewv]

The libertarian just debates in theory the whole damn time.

[@RigelOrionBeta]

This guy sounds like a younger John from San Antonio who was in the midst of his teenage libertarian phase.

[@cassieevanow3646]

This guy is going places! He just has a lot more to learn, but his head and more importantly his heart is in the right place.

[@guskalo1981]

The kid predicted uber. Poor people selling rides. How's that working out for them?

[@whiskeybuddha1995]

Every caller… EVERY caller never listens, they just wait to talk. I don’t know how you have the energy or patience

[@aaronsmith9823]

“Fair enough” no fair PERIOD.

[@AvRand6]

I think Libertarians and Progressives should unite to promote a socially liberal agenda, legalize marijuana, legalize gay marriage, protect a women's right to choose, and most of all Get money out of politics! Then we can crush the Libertarians on economic policy.

[@zombiesingularity]

No, the progressives should unite with the socialists and crush the right-wing.

[@modelmajorpita]

Except libertarians don't want to legalize marijuana, legalize gay marriage, protect a woman's right to choose, or even necessarily get money out of politics. Libertarians want to take away the government's power to legalize or criminalize marijuana, take away the government's power to recognize any marriage, take away the government's power to defend or oppress a woman's right to choose, and claim that taking away the power of government to do things is how to limit corruption and oppose laws that outlaw corruption. The main problem with taking away the federal governments power is that power is than granted to the states. Which means rather than one fight to legalize or protect something at the national level, we are faced with 50 smaller fights to do the same thing.

[@robinsss]

whyamimrpink78 "Let us take the gay marriage issue. If the state recognizes marriage than they can't discriminate via the 14th amendment" how do you know that the supreme court will hand down a ruling in favor of gay marriage?

[@rayr5950]

How do you get money out of politics when Progressives are always looking to politics as a means of creating new taxes? Progressives are really stupid.

[@robinsss]

whyamimrpink78 " The SC will hand down a ruling in favor of the 14th amendment. " how do you know that they view gay marriage as something that is protected by the 14th amendment?

[@mono4on]

It is what it is

[@alhazed]

Everythings coming up Milhouse!

[@vidfreak56]

And what happens if the "rubber burning plant" has a militia of its own?Private wars? Economic deregulation would give corporations greater power to control the supply of money than they have now. I mean if the whole idea of the problem of government is that coporations can buy government, then the vehicle of control simply changes from government to something else when you deregulate the markets to the degree these people want it.

[@LexoG33]

Did he ever call back? I'd like to hear a rematch

[@CrisTheFist]

It sounds like he's right on the cusp of discovering libertarian socialism

[@kdawg717]

Classic libertarian , get into details by asking them questions and they collapse.

[@DavidHeffron78]

Oh, Michael... "50 year old man". Brilliant.

[@FailsafeZero]

He seemed to have his thoughts pretty well organized and didn't have any phone sound issues, I'm really impressed. I think I'll offer him a position as a Commodore in my private militia for 20,000 FailsafeBucks a month.

[@brianmattingly3204]

I really enjoyed this one. He is clearly a critical thinker. Go, kid, go!

[@mattg9036]

This person could make a fortune doing cartoon voices.

[@brothernaed8529]

Best thumbnail.

[@SoSoMikaela]

I love it when "libertarians" call in and the more they talk, the more it becomes apparent that what they're actually talking about is a socialist utopia.

[@nathanbond3584]

fair enough

[@tmcthree]

Is it Neil Goldman from family guy?

[@Nona_1989]

Why does the kid sound like Zach Hadel (Psychic Pebbles) doing his little kid voice?

[@silat13]

This kid has a great future as a deluded libertarian preaching an irrational philosophy.

[@twistedwell9568]

*pause* fair enough

[@Gorgie-lm1ti]

Why did a quarter billion people in India go on strike and hardly zero media coverage in the US

[@anonymousbosch9265]

Libertarians come off as pseudo-intellectuals that believe themselves to be much smarter than they objectively are This kid is a level 70 elf wizard

[@StyliansPerpsective]

very smart kid

[@heelturnsface]

This kid has been the fairest debater of all the libertarians that have called in. Certainly more fair than that guy who said states should be able to legalize slavery because he can’t buy incandescent lightbulbs.

[@RapidBlindfolds]

i didn't know the word 'proselytise' when i was 18. impressive

[@koricthegreat4047]

sometimes the caller needs subtitles.

[@FredSlocombe]

Libertarianism does exist, in Somalia.

[@danlunn672]

Statism exists now, go to North Korea.

[@jean-lucpicard5510]

Choosing a country that isn't a Social Democracy, gas lighting much?

[@bosnbruce5837]

Yeah I hear that the total laissez-faire and the capitalism in its purest form with zero state involvement made wonders in Somalia.

[@lewiespearman]

love the bit at 14:28 about tim carney getting his support from the koch brothers. we have to always follow the money.

[@13squier]

4 years later I wonder if this kid is a comrade now.

[@qwosters]

Fair enough.

[@MrOttopants]

lol. Every time that Dan was wrong he had a different way of agreeing that he was wrong. "Fair enough." : I guess that point is refuted. How many times do you have to be wrong in twenty minutes?

[@MrOttopants]

He wasn't looking for truth. He was claiming he had it. Yet, he was wrong a number of times. Young people should look for truth. It's a very common experience for young men to go through a phase of rugged individual style libertarianism. Some of them just never grow out of it, I guess.

[@Juggernaut8678]

Haha

[@NightfallGemini]

MrOttopants If he's got good parents and proper schooling, he'll grow out of that shit by 21 if not sooner.

[@Harpoonland]

it takes a certain humility to firstly recognize and then admit that you are wrong so I think you should respect him for it rather than trash him for it. It is the essential step for learning. (ik this comment is old but..yeah. latecomer i guess)

[@TheLilLeo]

in other words when u have a me me me first ideology then nobody can agree on one thing.

[@dvepps6780]

good kid!!! anybody that thoughtful and honest won't last long in neo-liberal economics (let's hope he stays thoughtful & honest)

[@xammeron3842]

Why does he sound like psychic pebbles XD

[@mattcuffe]

Everything he says is complete nonsense but I found the little libertarian quite likeable.

[@billthebutcher2]

Have to give this one a lot of credit. Was respectful, at least put some thought into things. Sounded young, which makes me glad, at least they are interested in politics and doing some thinking. Judging by the other Ls who call in, or at least most of them including prominent ones, this kid is twice the person and thinker they are, at least. Which means he'll probably be a liberal by the time he grows up.

[@Bolgernow]

Dan is the most well mannered Libertarian guest I have ever heard on a political show. Hands down The problems arise when economic realities, societies well established social contract & just a basic governmental structure that any civics class would clearly demonstrate, are all ignored, favoring this fantasy. It is unproven, & when rationally placed against the fabric of reality, all becomes "untenable" It is little more than "Free market/money is god/power" while not noting the well documented horrors of those unchecked markets crippling almost all of society. He shows such a 'fundamental ignorance' of basic economic realities that he has no counter measures for. Just shrug, & say: "Well, I though it just would of worked" after clearly explaining, "No, we've had this system before with horrific results"

[@farminstoltzfus]

Sometimes I wonder how these young libertarian callers turned out. Please call in if you were a young libertarian caller. Inquiring listeners want to know which road yall went down or mebbe you took your jetpack into the stratosphere

[@Zykked]

Libertarian Calls In To Debate Young Sam

[@deathdrive7032]

15:45:David Pakman does stuff like that

[@darksoul479]

In my opinion Sam you're wrong about the age of the caller, I think he was an older gentleman. Either that or he was just a little bit more astute than your normal young libertarian callers. Of course you thoroughly dominated the debate Sam as usual. That point about the guy next door burning the tires was classic. I enjoyed that. Thank you.

[@SutapaBhattacharyaKolkata]

IS it me or the caller does sound like Sahil Habibi?

[@JohnSmith-vm8rx]

Sam in remembrance and honoring of Michael you should get a recording of his laugh and play it whenever a libertarian caller says something stupid!

[@drksideofthewal]

Just curious, the profile pic suggests you’re Anarcho-Socialist, right?

[@aaronsmith9823]

They want so bad for libertarianism to be this philosophy that can’t be ruled by economics, but libertarians still have a big obsession with the “market”

[@MikeWalkerSociologist]

This kind of episode always reminds me of a South Park episode. A hippie is going on about how "someone could bake bread, someone could make shoes, someone could ..." Kyle replies "like a town?" Hippie: "No. You just don't get it." When libertarians are pressed to explain how a libertarian society would work, we generally end up where we are now. "Someone could enforce the laws, someone could hold others accountable, someone could oversee how people do things..." "You mean like a government?" "No! You just don't get it."

[@GutPuppet]

This kid sounds like a Simpsons character

[@bgoodnow]

This guy is both literally and figuratively a total mouth breather! Ad hominem I know, but...🤷‍♀️ Of course not all his ideas were absurd, unlike most libertarians!