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This will be my last video on this shop vac dust deputy cyclone DIY dust collection system for my small workshop.
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[@EngineerMikeF]

Try adding a shop vac bag. I have that same vac, aftermarket bags are about $2.5ea & make taking out the fine dust an easy, near dustless chore.

[@zapa1pnt]

Hi, Sam, love your channel and content. You really need to save-up a few buck and get a HR or Jet dust collector. I have a HR, in my basement shop and it works great (after some small changes). It originally came with cloth bags on top and bottom. I immediately hung a 50 gal yard bag inside the bottom bag. That gave me a collection bag which did not leak dust. After a while, I removed the upper bag, placed a plywood circle in the top of the separator ring, with a 6" hole cut in the center. I then attached 6" round duct, at the hole, and vented it outside, like a dryer. Works great, for me. For your busy set up, you would want a bin to catch that fine dust, instead of venting it into the air. For noise abatement, you have a choice of an outdoor, built-on closet, or an indoor insulated closet. Maybe that back room someone mentioned could be helpful, to locate a closet. For your piping, you could use round, steel, ducting (which is a pain to setup) or PVC (much easier). PVC can be assembled, with out glue, and the joints wrapped with Teflon tape, to allow disassembly and alteration. Use as little flex tube as possible. It slows the air flow. Also, avoid 90* elbows. Use two 45* instead. 90* elbows are Each equal to 10ft of pipe run. Lost vacuum/pressure.

[@tonxmodern4436]

Since you do production runs, I would say just put in the investment and get a good DC system

[@thesplinteredfinger]

Sam, I’m running a harbor freight dust collector through pvc sewer pipe and flex hose into a 55 gal barrel on wheels. Most of the heavy dust goes in the barrel than the dust bag. I started with lid mounted “deflectors” that were inexpensive and moved up the a dust deputy that did help. You might try to glue some hardwood to the lid of your dust collector lid to reduce its flexing by stiffening it up. It’s a slow building process but worth it.

[@markb4919]

Your caulk work makes me think you could do cake decorating on the side.. Seriously, depending on what the bigger system is, you could make a thane style separator. It would be great to do a video showing us the other machine and go through your mind map of thoughts and then get some advice. Just a thought. Im liking your videos and wish you good luck!

[@jayraysdiy852]

My thought on dust collection is since you said you have the dust collector, buy the piping and build a dust separator yourself. This way, you will be able to connect many tools to one collector. I think the end result would make you more productive and you would enjoy it more. Also, I like your thought process and building the business debt free is awesome!

[@12982blackjack]

As someone who's just invested in two of the Super Dust Deputy's, I say spend the money on the SDD. They work fantastic. I'm basically in your same situation as I'm building up my shop from a production standpoint and doing it all cash. I found an SDD on marketplace for $125 and it included a Grizzly 1 hp DC and the flex hose, I couldn't pass that up. I ended up finding another SDD for $50 about an hour away from me, so now I have 2 small DC's running in my shop. The SDD's "steal" so much less power than the other separator's. I used the Dust Right separator for over a year and was never happy with how much suck it stole from my collector, after getting the first SDD, I was hooked. Save your money for a real solution, I never had much luck with a shop vac connected to my table saw or router table.

[@tomowens2720]

Hey Sam. first, glad you bought one of those vacs I suggested. I looked at the dust deputy and dust topper. Couple youtubers tested both. The results were virtually identical. I chose the dust topper for its low profile. I solved the bucket collapse problem by using one 5 gal bucket with the topper set into the second. No collapse. My buckets sit on top of my vac enclosure. I drilled 5 3" holes in the bottom of the enclosure to mitigate heat build up. Works fine. in regard to hooking up sanders of any kind to a small 2 stage cyclone system is they will clog the filter pretty fast. the reason is sander dust is fine particulate matter. It's to light to settle in the chips bucket so it goes straight to the vac. In a small shop guys have used two small cyc systems like I/we have. One for sanders, the other for everything else. it's just the nature of the beast.

[@weekendwarrior9570]

Thanks for sharing. Good luck...

[@gilz2253]

I'm enjoying the videos so I would say build another cyclone dust collector (part 4) for the balance of the shop equipment...

[@glennanderson8783]

Sam, I commend you on staying debt free so stay that way! Save your money up and eventually you can get the right (beefen) setup for your shop. As a production shop you are going to quickly get to the point that you will realize that down time is lost money. Be it for a short maintenance cycle due to low capacity of having to empty dust containers or tool replacement due to excess wear from heat. If you have not already started then start now designing the ideal shop solution you need. Buy once cry once and get the right tool for the job. I have the same issue right now in my shop. I am to big to be small and to small to be big.

[@shaneperry5234]

Hey Sam, Look into just DIYing a "Thien baffle dust collector". KZbin it... it would be super simple to do with your CNC, Run your whole shop from a real Dust collection system and don't mess around with the little toy Vacs.

[@ARod1108]

I think you have the room and your investing into yourself. I say do it the right way then to keep on with the shop vac. Your a badass and your just gonna keep moving up and forward. Buy once cry once.

[@jaylord55]

one thing to make it cooler is to direct the exaust right to your baffle on the bottom of the cabinet that way its drawing fresh air through the top vent and exhaust the hot air out the bottom

[@curtisenoch5124]

Really respect you taking time, being careful, and not using debt. Right now it seems like the slow way to go about things, but you’ll see great benefits in the long run. With that in mind I’d suggest selling the DC that you have and replicate the system you use for the CNC. This will work for you for the time being, but not tie up your funds. Then you can budget a % of your profits to go toward a true “whole shop” DC system in the future.

[@tomjkelleher]

I think your flexible lid is a good indicator of vacuum pressure. 😊 If I recall correctly, that shop vac is on it’s last legs. If you do keep the shop vac setup, you’ll probably want to plan to replace it soon. I applaud your financial discipline 👍

[@lydiahall4353]

Love your videos. You crack me up. I think I'd look at using the dust collector but building an outdoor storage area for it. It would reduce noise and dust in the air in the shop and build up of temperature when used for long periods will be less of a problem. Sell the new vac to pay for ducting and add a cyclone at a later date.

[@glenschumannGlensWorkshop]

Like your thought process on the future of dust collection in your shop. I would start with building another shop vac and cyclone (or dustopper) set up.

[@JasonPeltier]

I bought the Grizzly cyclone system for around $350. It has a 30 gallon drum on wheels. I mounted my Delta 1.5hp dust collector to the wall on a French cleat in a corner and the cyclone sits under that. It took a while to figure out the engineering for it, but I love it now and have 4" sewer pvc running along 2 walls with blast gates and connections to most of my tools. It was definitely a purchase that I thought about. That's a lot of money just to separate chips from fine particles. But I think it's a lot easier to work with than the original dust collector setup.

[@markduggan3451]

This looks good and I'm thinking of doing something similar for my shed.

[@ClearTheDeck]

Ha, well it's funny to be seeing this just now. For a couple of weeks I've been thinking about how to upgrade my shop's dust collection. I came across your 40dB video earlier today, was inspired, broke out Sketchup and came up with my own design borrowing from those ideas. Among my changes were rear-top exhaust vents and a noise-reducing baffle in the upper chamber that also serves as reinforcement for -- wait for it -- a top-mounted bucket/cyclone for easier emptying! It's fairly similar to this current setup of yours. For cooling, in lieu of a fresh-air intake, I planned to pipe the exhaust so that it blows over the vacuum motor air intakes. Time will tell if that is sufficient.

[@alaskandonut]

Advice for anyone doing something similar. Polyurethane gaskets are your best friend!! Never assume any non-sealed/non-gasketed joint will be fine handling high pressure (positive or negative). PU IS YOUR FRIEND!!

[@joedance14]

The consensus of comments seems to be inclined toward a central DC. And a large central DC might be appropriate for your business and workspace. However, even a large, powerful central Dust Collector supports just one tool at a time. Your stated requirement is to support both the CNC and another large tool (table saw, etc), simultaneously. The central DC also consumes space, and it is a small shop. Just a couple of things to consider. Like what you did to reduce the noise from the shopvac. Like your ability to identify problems and address them. That said, please consider the following: - a dust separator employs three basic principles - airflow/momentum to move dust and chips, centrifugal force to slow the heavier particles and gravity to pull the heavier particles downward, into a bin or reservoir - placing the vacuum above the dust separator helps to minimize tight turns and bends, and gets gravity working FOR you, so dust and chips have a greater tendency to fall into the bin instead of falling toward the vacuum - it is important to minimize bends and turns, AND to minimize use of flex hose, all of which create significant drag, reducing airflow/momentum - a dust separator starts losing efficiency when it gets more than about 1/3 full, so the bin or reservoir should have reasonable depth, or get emptied VERY frequently Positioning the vacuum so the inlet is a few inches above the outlet of the dust separator, and connecting them via pvc, with a large radius bend (or two 45 degree bends), can increase airflow by 10%. We have all seen far too many images of “dust collection carts” with the dust separator ABOVE the vacuum, an over reliance on flex hose, and far too many tight turns and bends. It simply defies logic. With rare exception (Harvey), dust separators seem to come in three or four flavors - a diy or manufactured cyclone such as the Dust Deputy, a Thien baffle (most often diy), a combination of cyclone and Thien baffle, or a “simplified” Thien baffle such as the Dustopper from Home Depot. The advantage of the Dustopper, in my opinion, is that it has a much lower profile, it consumes less space than a cyclone, and it is ready to go out of the box. It appears to be about 90% - 95% as effective as other dust separators. Best wishes, and please stay safe.

[@diyfferent]

This was good to watch. I have been doing my own dust collection research and spending way too much time looking for the right system at the right cost. It was interesting to hear your thoughts and see what you are working on. It would have been handy to kind of know what your ideal dust collection budget is. What's the most you would want to spend? I don't have any advice or suggestions. I'm just curious.

[@weekendwarrior9570]

I built a dust collection system using a metal trash can (sides are reinforced with 2x2in wood pcs the length of the garbage can glued evenly spaced around the garbage can) with a Thein dust collection system on top of the trash can powered by a large Rigid Stainless Steel Shop vac. This Dust collection system is more than enough for my table saw, edge sander, miter saw, and the band saw....etc

[@razvanilea]

It may be possible that issue 2 was caused by issue 1, if the filter is clogged than the motor of the vacuum has to work twice as much. Happy to see another video with u, very nice content, sometimes failing is part of the process, glad you show that too.

[@chillertechtexas4375]

Definitely a dust collection system! Jet makes a great cyclone separator.

[@Samcraftcom]

Hopefully some day! :)

[@geraldpatrick9463]

You should use that piece that you cut out of the top to let the bucket set into the system to reinforce the lid so it won't depress the lid. I've seen that other KZbinrs have the same problem using 5 gallon bucket and solve it by using a circle of plywood.

[@arthurenright4146]

Hey Sam! Love your videos and I've enjoyed the shop-vac series. I'm curious what model dust collector you have under the floor? Have you considered using the shop-vac collector for you hand tools and your dust collector for your CNC? Another idea might be to mount the dust collector outside the shop venting into a large box that can be shoveled out with the intake hose coming in through the wall or the floor for your CNC. That saves you having to get a cyclone and will improve the air quality inside the shop as most dust collector bags loose a lot of the fine dust particles that aren't fun to breath and settle on everything. Either way, I can't wait to see what you decide to do and am rooting for your business and KZbin channel to grow!

[@ZachScott1]

Really depends on how you like your dust collection. Since you can get under the floor of your shed or i think you can. I would just do in floor dust collection at major tools and keep shop vac to connect to sanders and such. I am in the process of doing overhead piping for my small 1hp unit. I did a trash can seperator with a 20$ kit off amazon and seems to work pretty good for my uses.

[@SteelBladeWoodworks]

Here’s my 2cents worth. Go the dust collection route. A shopvac system is okay for short close hookups but your always having to stop and empty barrel etc. A dust collection system is going to save you time and you can hookup multiple machines and control the system with gates. You can use the HarborFreight collector with a trash can cyclone lid and that will help on the expense part. I used this setup for many years with long runs of 4” green sewer pipe and blast gates. The gates will help section off leads that are not in use to get the most suction in the areas that are. The green 4” pipe and fittings are very reasonably priced and a 2hp HarborFreight collector can be purchased fairly reasonable, the cyclone lid can be found on Amazon which fits on top of a metal trash can . Just make sure to stay away from hard 90° turns and use sweeping 90°s. Also use the least amount of spiral hose as possible.in my opinion using that CNC as much as you are this is the best avenue. Good luck!!! Great video!!!

[@Samcraftcom]

I really appreciate your insight and information! I am leaning this way knowing that I'll eventually get there in the end... Thanks!

[@davidslater5403]

My shop is 12×24 i installed a super dust deputy with a HBF blower on a shop built dust bin 4" pipe metal blast gates it works perfectly

[@michaelsims7318]

Hi Sam. Thanks for the videos. first, your CNC is a serious dust producer. I would have a bigger collection can. Maybe a 20 gal. Trash can. Second for convenience and to keep the cost down, I would suggest a permanent mount dedicated system for the CNC and a portable smaller system for your other tools. Good luck!

[@JNewellworks]

Super dust deputy should work that is what i use in my smaller shop.

[@b-radg916]

90 degrees isn’t bad, but I know that during the summer where I am, that would be sitting in a warmer environment than that. If you wanted to try to move a bit more air through the whole box, I wonder if it might be worth adding a Y-adapter and some hose to try to somehow draw air from the top to bottom or side to side? Good stuff though! I may have to implement some of your ideas! Thanks 👍🏽

[@joshsmith9452]

Sam if you are looking for a decent cost effective cyclone alternative look at Lee Valleys dust collector lid that fits metal trash cans. It’s about 40 bucks and the trash can is another 30ish. I have this set up on a harbor freight dust collector and am quite happy. I went the shop vac and cyclone route at first and found it to not have good enough suction to get a lot of sawdust on longer runs. For one direct tool with a short run it is okay (such as your CNC), but the longer the runs of hose even with blast gates the less affective the system was.

[@warrensmith2902]

Tried using the dust deputy but it was too limited on CFM. Went to a Dustopper ( Amazon or Home Depot) and it was much better. To make it even better, I stacked 3, 5gal buckets together and cut the bottoms out of the one on the inside for additional capacity Plus a little silicone glue. I bought the nearly clear plastic ones so I could see how much dust was in the buckets. When there was enough dust to cover the lower line of the stacked buckets, it's time to empty it. I prefer the iVAC switch for automatic turning on the vacuum with a small power strip that I plug all the power tools that will use that vacuum into. I Turn on the tool, and wait a moment for the vacuum to get up to speed. It also has a manual mode that I use with battery powered tools, and for sweeping the shop.

[@roncrandall]

I like that you're being frugal, and running your business, instead of your business running you. As far as the collection system goes, IF you would save more by making another system for each piece of equipment in your shop, then you have to ask if giving up that valuable space would be worth it. Not to mention the time that it will take to make another system from scratch. Time is money, and space is limited, if your shop is like mine. I used to make everything. Now I compare the time it would take, and what I make an hour, to just buying the piece that I need. Buying a premade system is NOT cheap, but if you figure in your time, and the space that it could save, then I believe that it could possibly be worth the expense. Then, if it doesn't work as it's supposed to, then you simply call the manufacturer, and have them handle the issue, leaving you free to handle the business. Just my opinion, of course. Do with it as you will. Thank you for the videos, and your time.

[@GraffWoodshop]

Looks good but that was a lot of time invested. I would probably spend the several hundred for the cyclone. From the outside you seem to be at that scale that you need to invest in it.

[@Samcraftcom]

Very good points and yes, you're right -- right at that "scale up" point... Hmmmm :)

[@judygoodson5855]

If it works, dont break it. Build a separate one now that you know Frankenstein works. Im glad i found your ideas as im doing something similar for metal cnc shop but out of a steel drum

[@dboyd462]

Before I got a proper dust collector, I used a smaller overpack drum to catch the chips from my cyclone. It was strudy enough to not collapse in and there was enough of a seal that I never matched the lid onto the bucket. Worked well. The only downside is it's short and fat.

[@tomowens2720]

For everything you want to do in you shop Sam with batching out business products, CNC work, your own projects and shop clean up you might want to begin looking at a whole shop central 2 stage dust collection system. ESPECIALLY since you can run all the ducting under your shop. As far as where would you put it, I see 2 options. First, make some room in the storage space in the other room. best option I think. Second option would be a small enclosure built onto the outside of the shop. Yep, a full system will set you back some coin but in the long term it will be money well spent and NO MORE dust collection issues.

[@MJMCHRONICLES]

Good ideas. Shop vac in myopinion

[@jshink5038]

Sam, I have a small dust deputy I use for my orbital sanders, belt and disc sander and small tools. I use a Harbor freight 2 hp dust collector for my dust collecting to my bench top planer, band saw, bench top jointer, table saw, and a few other larger tools. I like the idea of my dust collector being portable in my 2 car garage setup. I never liked the idea of running permanent pipe. Just my 2-cents worth.

[@zapa1pnt]

@J Shink: Plastic pie does not have to be permanent. I saw some one, on KZbin, who assembled the pipe without glue and used Teflon tape to seal the joints. That way it can be disassembled and reconfigured at any time.

[@awlthatwoodcrafts8911]

If the large dust collection system you have can pull 1000 cfm or more, I would spend my time and money making that work for the whole shop. You will need a separator to make the system better for your environment. You can go one of two ways, buy a Super Dust Deputy or make a Thien cyclone separator. In either case, you'll still have to make something. With the Thien cyclone, it's just your time and materials. With the Dust Deputy, it's $175 plus your time and materials, as you're still going to need to make a lid to fit the Dust Deputy on, that will fit whatever size trash can you're going to use. Be aware that regardless of which way you go, your DC will have reduced airflow. Caleb at YouCanMakeThisToo did a cool video showing the differences. The Thien cyclone does reduce the airflow more than the Dust Deputy, but if you're starting out with 1000 cfm or greater, you should be able to accommodate the CNC and one other tool, provided you can keep the piping down to a minimum. I don't believe that either one is superior to the other in their ability to effectively separate the dust and chips. If you make the Thien cyclone properly, it will keep all but the finest of dust out of your DC's filter, just as well as the Dust Deputy. One advantage you have in whatever you make, you have the CNC to cut out your parts. You can make perfect circles with perfect grooves and what not. Go to www.billpentz.com/woodworking/cyclone/dc_basics.php and read up on how even the best systems can still leave a damaging amount of dust in the air in your shop.

[@patriotwoodworker6092]

Hey Sam, have you looked at harbor freights dust collector?? It’s 200.00 but it has 2 4in ports 5 micron bag and really, it’s basically a Jet dust collector. I’ve had mine for about 3 years and it’s awesome! It’s currently for my router and sawstop. Tons of KZbin videos on how to mod them to make ‘em more better

[@mattdurmeier4607]

A closed cell sponge will work 10 fold better for making your gaskets, they will conform to the irregularities of the plywood where the rubber gaskets will not without a lot of torque.

[@lindsayatlmrtransport8118]

Hi Sam, try swapping over the hoses into your cyclone, on my system this works well. Also check out Mathias Wendle's channel, I'm sure he builds a cyclone system from scratch. Keep up the great work & channel.

[@willynilly9126]

If you do build another box, maybe use air filters around the sides (furnace filters). That way you can get better air flow Iinside and if you do get some dust it will still be contained. Cheaper too!

[@russveinot5754]

First, since it works great, leave it to be dedicated to just the CNC. use another vac else where in shop. Also, I made my shop vac with the Thien baffle and easy emptying buckets. I even made a thein baffle for my 4" system. the best thing you can do is get rid of the round paper filters. I let the fine dust pass through and filter on the exhaust side with 20"x20" furnace filters. They breathe better and clog slower. BTY, cheaper, too :>) I made several videos on the quick bucket and Thien baffle if interested. Leave the other as is. Also, great follow up to fix your design. Fine tuning is a way of life :>)

[@rcs_rc_az961]

@ 2:32, i actually did scratch my noggin! LOL Fun videos man, keep it up!

[@Samcraftcom]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@bear8046]

Interestingly, Stumpy Nubs released a video on dust collection and it was rather informative. I'd recommend it if you haven't seen it. He pointed out that shopvacs are very good at very high pressure in very small areas, which is perfect for CNCs. I've got the Onefinity CNC coming in April. I think I'm just going to duplicate my Shopvac set up (which is similar to yours). It's cheap and has worked well over the years. The only bummer is that I'll need to continue to swap hoses between the tools, but that's okay. Hasn't bothered me before in the past. Though your needs are greater than mine, so maybe the time spent swapping hoses is enough to warrant it. Have you considered running "passive" dust collection? I do that my self. I created a fixture with a box fan on it and furnace filters. It's on the same circuit as my shop lights so if I'm in the shop, it's on. White noise at that point and I need to replace the filters regularly so it's doing something. Nice work on the video as always Sam!

[@puromike]

Go with the pipes, you have a nice space, in the long run it will paid off. While you get your funds to add a big cyclone, do knock off cyclones in lines to your pipe on a 5 gallon buckets from HF. Just my thought. Also I saw your cross cut sled, ever thought of adding a safety block at the fence?

[@Samcraftcom]

Thanks! I'd say the sled is due for a re-make for sure. That one is about 8 years old now. LOL

[@kalebmagnusson981]

Couple thoughts. In regards to the dust collector/shop vac debate. For all of your tools running a dust collector would be more efficient, not to mention quieter, if that is a concern for you. In regards to Frankensteins monster, cut a plywood ring for underneath the dust bins lid (meaning underneath the cyclone). I had a similar set up, and the I eventually developed cracks in my lid over the course of a few months. Just my thoughts

[@Samcraftcom]

Very good points!

[@ClintonCaraway-CNC]

Sam... invest in a Harbor Freight/ Oneida Super Dust Deputy hybrid system. You need it and for ⅓ the cost of a pre-built cyclone you won't regret it!!

[@reynaldovalle1773]

I would keep the simple and portable do the new one

[@karlriley1314]

I use a 55 gal MEDAL barrel with a removable lid with my shop vac and DUST DEPUTY.

[@Samcraftcom]

That would be great!

[@pete8279]

Constantly tinker until you get what you need. For my DD cyclone dust collector bucket I used a bucket that has a screw on lid, the bucket previously contained 3in chlorine tablets for a pool, and my hose is an unused pool vac hose. I don't think consumer shop vacs are rated for continuous use, thus you may burn out Frankenstein. My 2cents build a small shed outside your shop to house the big dust collector, then connect that thru the wall for the CNC. If it is a single stage convert it to a cyclone with a Thien Baffle, which is similar to a cyclone (lots of vids on YT) Rebuild Frankenstein once again to be mobile for your other tools or fit it under your workbench, the key would be to have the flexible hose nearby, or park it in the corner and suspend the hose from the ceiling so you can reach the rest of your shop. In the end every tool costs $1500.

[@TheWoodHaven]

If it were me, I would definitely keep Frankenstein on the CNC. That one seems easy. Now, if you existing Dust Collector is powerful enough to handle the piping needed to supply hoses to all your tools, I would get the cyclone for that. If it's not powerful enough, I would sell it and build a new system that will give you everything you need for your shop. Disclaimer: I use a bag hanging off all my big tools so I might not be the best person to consider.

[@jollyandwaylo]

I made a plywood top and it worked but I used a metal garbage can. The plastic flexes too much to use a rigid plywood top. If your large dust collection system with bags is located outside of the shop (no neighbors) then I would do that if you have most of it already. Otherwise, I would put up with a loud shopvac with a dust deputy that would go from tool to tool until I could afford and expensive quiet dust extractor like a festool. You are wearing hearing protectors most of the time in a wood shop anyway. If you have the big dust collector system, you need to set up a cyclone and a hepa filter if if is going to be inside. When I was in my 20s, I told a friend that I was going to start my own business. He said most businesses fail in the first 5 years. I told him my business won't fail because I wasn't taking out any loans. I was right. I'm 66 now and I just kept adapting to whatever market I needed. I even got a part time job for a while to get through a thin patch.

[@WRH052970]

I don't know if you have them but blast gates should help

[@Samcraftcom]

If my system gets any more complicated, I'll add them. Right now it's a single hose that I move from point to point as needed. Clunky, but works for now.

[@gedreillyhomestead6926]

K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Sam. 👍 😎

[@RonInAVan]

Hey my thought was why don’t you use your CNC and make a lid out of wood with a gasket to fit that bucket and mount the cyclone on top. Just my thought. I’m getting ready to buy that same CNC and also thanking about a dust Collection system for my small work area.

[@Jeff1Jeff2Jeff3Jeff]

I think you could make a fair quick bit of cash whipping out Wedgies (segmenting sled wedges) or put-together Thein separators or some other "quickie-to-produce" project, then use that money to buy the Oneida 'down the road a few months or weeks'. Since I don't have a CNC, I just assume they can "create magic" ... Oh, and I would CNC a new lid of a solid material to replace the 'white' lid since it is flexing in .. but that is just my opinion .. again, CNC == Magic

[@jackmiller3628]

Let me start of by saying I’m no expert. Given that you are doing production work (I assume long runs), I think you need to also consider the air quality due to the fine particulate that the shop vac does capture.. from my limited research these filters are relatively expensive so adding multiple filters to each setup gets expensive. I think being debt free is a super goal and it makes sense to me if you can substitute your time to stay debt free. When it comes to your health taking on a little bent to avoid long term health issues is the way to go. I would replicate what you have and as soon as possible address the supper fine dust issue.

[@asda5303]

where does the air exhaust out from the baffle system you put in on the bottom of ur cabinet? does it go down to the floor or out the back ?

[@d.j.robinson9424]

I'd say build fraunkensteen 2.0 ...💛🙏👍👍

[@Quirk77]

My opinion is splurge and get the dc that's ready to go. Not that your Frankenstein dc isn't good, but as you stated you don't have debt into your business. Some things are worth the investment. And if you make another system yourself, how much time is invested that you could've been making product? Think of it like the same reason that you buy your wooden dowels. It's to save time & time is money.

[@cesarsauceda8730]

What if you made the baffle that reduced the noise on the top half so the heat could escape while reducing sound

[@randycosgrove3608]

Part of the decision lies in available floor space. Do you have enough space to go either way equally easily? For your cyclone that's "under the floor" is it installed there and can it be run from there or is that just a storage location for the parts you currently have? And what about total cost? Since you're going the no debt route ( absolutely the correct method in my opinion ) what is the comparative net cost between frankenvac 2 and enabling the cyclone set up? That's probably the decision maker fact right there. If you have the space and the total cost of frankenvac2 is low enough I'd lean that way with the option of changing your mind if the future works out well enough.

[@RonAday]

I did something similar but found the bucket lid, after a few months, cracked from the constant flexing. Putting a wood reinforcement on the top and bottom (cut to fit just inside the angled reinforcements) and bolting the cyclone through both stopped this from happening.

[@davesatosky5840]

spend the money, is a reason oneida can charge what they do and people happily pay it.. regardless of your business, this is your hobby and your health is important.. get the super dust deputy, attach it to a 55 gallon drum outside the wall of your shop, and get back to what you want to do.. dont waste your time trying to build your own system, i know your good but it will never perform to the level of an Oneida and it will always leave you lacking. you know i've not changed a filter in both my shop vac or my big dust collector in almost 3 years and they are still clean. i've gone down the rabbit hole your currently going down to try and save a few bucks, in the end i didn't save a dime, in fact i spent far more and that doesn't take into consideration my time and frustration.. as they say, shit or get off the pot

[@barstad-9591]

Frankenstein-suck lives!!! “It’s alive, it’s alive!”

[@montreesommoung407]

What model is the vacuum cleaner? How many minutes can it be used at a time?

[@timsatterfield1794]

I set my vac outside, put my dust deputy on on the bucket provided by dust deputy. My filter starts to fill up when the bucket gets to 3/5 to 3/4 full. I am looking for a taller bucket.

[@phillipfonville421]

Check out Amazon. I got a 25 gallon barrel pretty reasonable and have my Dust Deputy mounted on top of it.

[@randyrejer4219]

Would sell the old one. Plan on everything on same system. I don’t think the motor on your Rigid shop vac will hold up to hours of on time. good content though.

[@clydedecker765]

Sam, you'll never be happy with the rest of the shop with less than the larger dust collector. Even a small cyclone will work with the bigger setup - just not as efficiently. Rigging up that one under the shop with something would be my choice. Keep what you have for the CNC (its working great there) and pull out the old one for the rest of the shop. Up to you .....????

[@enzprintco.8625]

Buy once, cry once! Don’t rely on a bag, they won’t filter out the .3 micron particles that can harm you (actually I think there is one bad that claims it does), get a pleated cylinder filter. But I’m sure you know all this lol.

[@tomm8188]

My thought is, this is your business, invest in it properly and you’ll be happy and more productive so you’ll make the money back on the proper dust collection.

[@bradhugo8973]

Make another shop vac system. Maybe set a first goal of upgrading once your business hits a certain mark. Just my two cents! 👍🤷🏻‍♂️

[@WillswoodworkingYEG]

Yea get a good dust collector with a paper filter. spend the money on PVC pipe and no 90* bends

[@johnquinn5104]

build another,,,reinforce the lid with metal

[@webcrawler3332]

What is your business? What do you make and sell?

[@cj.tj.8201]

Sam... Why dont you go through the wall? If sound is such an issue. An put the box outside. You did go through the wall with your vent...you might can then vent the box correctly with it out side. An i have a Harbor Freight collection system it's not very expensive and it works pretty good.. But for the long-term we'll see but I like it so far.

[@OGs_Playground]

All I can think about is moisture and wet dust.

[@cj.tj.8201]

@@OGs_Playground you put a roof over it... Or build a small room for the collector.

[@Samcraftcom]

I've considered that, several times... I would need to address noise levels, but there's more room outside than inside. :)

[@270Remi]

Why not just pipe the exhaust from the shop vac back at the motor inside the box to act as a cooling fan?

[@tdimccullough]

why not try building a Thien-baffle Separator for the larger dust collection you have under the floor, is "under the floor" a basement? if yes then why not position the dust collector system in the basement then noise shouldn't be an issue also build the bin big enough so you don't need to empty it more than once a day

[@JimG31547]

Hi Sam, I have a Jet dust system that I have owned for 15 or so years. When I bought my CNC I tried adding it to my Jet system but found it just did not have the draw to take care of CNC so I did just what you did by putting the CNC on a shop vacuum and dust deputy. I have my other tools on the Jet and all is well.

[@JL-ib7tj]

I'm currently working on deciding dust collection for my projects. I've watched many, many videos. In doing so, I saw a few that included noise reduction, such as yours (and who wouldn't be enticed by that?). I'm basing my system primarily on yours with a few modifications for my specific work situations. I believe the system you have is good - and I have two thoughts for you. First, I think you need to attach some plywood to the lid (it could be either side) to provide some rigidity - that would take care of your lid's tendency to want to go into collapse mode. I did see one other idea that might be of benefit to you, particularly because you do so much work. It is called a Thien baffle (which can be incorporated with providing structure for the lid) and you can see an iteration of it here - kzbin.info/www/bejne/pXTYkoOZqsaZbMk. However, I did see one other option for noise control for your shop vac (it's a vacuum for a shop and I will likely always call it a shop vac, regardless of the specific brand). I saw a video where a guy created a "muffler", which you can see here - kzbin.info/www/bejne/pXTYkoOZqsaZbMk. You could still keep it all on your cart, but then you may not necessarily have to enclose it, and eliminate your heat concerns. This could help you stay on track with your determination to keep your shop debt free. If you want to upgrade later when you feel it is more financially appropriate, you can. I do appreciate seeing that I'm not the only one who has had to go back to the drawing board because the concept is good, but something goes amiss along the way. I'm also planning on creating the different connections I need for the various tools I use, as none of them seem to take the same fittings/ports/whatever you want to call them, and I can't justify the cost of building more than one with what I do. Don't give up -

[@dadams5040]

Put your money into the investment. It will pay off in the long run!! Your small business will be able to be way more productive. I have some projects for that CNC!!

[@user-justbeingme]

check out the "Stone House" he has a system.

[@MisterVaper]

Just use a 5 gallon bucket.

[@rhuynh]

Make the cyclone so you have it AND save money. Roll sheet metal or laminate.

[@webcrawler3332]

Why not just run your dust collector for now and then save up for the cyclone to add later.

[@neilf4128]

Last comment. Totally entertaining. Thank you.

[@danielvrana9444]

Man you give up quick??? Put metal bars welded in a circle. Bucket won’t collapse! Fix the lid use rods with wood on each end that will stiffen that heart beat lid you have. I think you should keep it small build another one. I’m doing the same thing NO LOANS!! OWN YOUR EQUIPMENT!!!

[@neilf4128]

I heard a saying. A wise person learns from other people's mistakes. Only a fool learns from his own. 😇

[@neilf4128]

You get what you pay for. You started out with cheap crap, then chopped it up, destroying what little integrity it had left. I say this with respect. Fails are a part of experience.

[@dreamlookautodetailingauto3353]

You spent too much time putting on the taper on the pvc bro. You don't need a wood circle, cariage bolt, ect...All you needed to do was heat up the pvc to fit . Pvc stretches...

[@neilf4128]

I'm baffled you didn't think to buy the whole dust body system, bucket, lid, hose, bolts, wheels. Baffeling.