"Sampling is Fair Use" (ft. Navie D) | Hot Takes

[@NavieD]

Weaver is still trying to get me to take my shirt off smh

[@jahdread]

😂😂😂😂

[@burnastein5430]

Another hot take: you motivate him to get swole more than Sam Hyde motivated idubbbs to (at least before he gave up on the regime anyways)

[@davud29]

😅😅😅

[@russell_the_love_muscle]

....well take your shirt off then

[@richardjohnson6489]

I hope we get the swole man on more.

[@dreamulator]

2 of the most down to earth youtubers in the producer scene

[@nyko9631]

Well..navie kind of uses a bit of click bait thumbnails, i get that its a business move but still

[@G43X]

Cap. One is a massive hater.

[@mylifeandhobby2716]

Shoutout to all 500 producers that made this track James on the keys Damon on the drums Jeff beats add an extra drum little fool chopped the sample young sa sample the sample sample Sam on the layout Raff for slowing down the tempo young Rage for speeding it back up little loft on the hats Timmy add an extra hat…

[@sonnymoonlight]

timmy kinda like a hi hat god

[@mylifeandhobby2716]

@@sonnymoonlight 😂

[@altervisi7748]

Raff for slowing it down Rage for speeding it back up 😂😂😂😂 lmao

[@andrewjamescox797]

juwans mom who was humming the inital melody while dropping us off to school in 1995 TY mrs.graves , chazz for his vocal work because the mic picked up his breathing!!! hahaha did you thank every1? if you ever get a chance that reminded me of thanx the last track on 40oz to freedom by Sublime they thank everyone and i mean everyone its such an awesome track

[@incognitiveincognito]

Need more Weaver and Navie collabs in the future

[@chrishaake8126]

One thing to consider with the technology of the past and 4 track recording: the beatles and many others would expand their track count by bouncing down all tracks to one in order to open up the other 3 tracks, which can be redone ad nauseuam as much as necessary for the song and resulting in songs that appear to have more than 4 tracks even though they were tracked on a machine with a 4 track limit.

[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

“See which mold fits you…” Spot on

[@SuperLinuxAudioGuru]

DJ Khaled plays all the live guitar solos on his productions, you just can't replicate that kind of skill in the piano roll :)

[@HeyChicano]

"get a close up"

[@SuperLinuxAudioGuru]

@@HeyChicano ""Shout out to the Marley family

[@lilcountry755]

The collab we all needed and wanted! Love Navie D he practically taught me how to start making music!

[@Craftmaster3]

Navie is 100 percent right about hip hop producers being known. All the most well known producers for the most part contribute more to the musical product than drum programming and composition.

[@lowpassparty]

The beatles did CRAZY amounts of overdubs on their later stuff and constantly had to fold tracks down to free up space to record more things... it was almost to the point they had to worry about tape degradation because they did it so many times. The final masters were still 4 tracks, but there was an 8-track machine installed at abbey road for their last couple albums iirc

[@michaelcucchiara]

Sgt peppers changed the recording game forever

[@Emily_M81]

The number of hit songs launched off presets on a synth is huge lol... if someone personally doesn't want to use presets, fine, but don't push that on others that are busy making music while they shade people on the internet :P the "four track" crowd forgets about bouncing down to one track to free up tracks for more audio >_>

[@nuh-uhbro765]

@@notreally-sf3dfThat’s a really long paragraph just to say sound selection isn’t that important, which is entirely false. If you use crappy presets it doesn’t matter at all how good the melody is, it’s still going to sound mediocre at best.

[@jakobole]

​@@nuh-uhbro765The average listerner doesn't care.

[@tonybeatbutcher]

Back in the days rappers had a (scratch) Dj who was the producer. + Groove pool was one feature that Gerhard Behles regrets the most. He said that at the first Loop event. When Ableton ad's a feature it will always stay's in the DAW, not disabled.

[@ProdByBorthWest]

The 2 sexiest men alive deliver

[@el-bov8034]

I'm too busy making my all my own clothes, growing all my own food, crafting my own electronic instruments and building my own house to have time to make all my own presets. Sometimes ya just gotta go pre-made ;)

[@willkellogg1352]

Unironically me

[@Wicked-RPG]

I only DJ my own songs. Turnout remains low.

[@el-bov8034]

@@Wicked-RPG Perhaps if you stopped making county ballads you'd get a bit more traction ;)

[@SpeezyOTB]

I think when it comes to how many tracks to use it’s all dependent on what you’re going for. If you’re doing trapped a minimalist approach might be OK but just have more intricate midi. some hip-hop & R&B is a little more complicated because you can layer sounds, add elements progressively, and so forth. Nowadays I lean more towards a minimalist style, but I try to add subtle noises in the background or subtle layering, which can actually really change the perceived quality of something. Again though

[@HeyChicano]

imagine 5 producer tags at the beginning of the beat to make sure we know all the producers who worked on it. great video Weaver cool seeing @NavieD my view on presets is I use presets for most of my stuff, I just take off most of the built in fx (like in serum ill disable the reverb, delay, distortion) to get the raw essence of the preset, and then add other plugins for whatever I took out in a chain. like adding thermal, timeless 3/cluster delay, and fastverb/xenoverb. Presets are good to use and my go to usually, just adding elements for customizing the sound design. plus all the things I usually add make them more organic cause each plugin has it's own set of modulations and stuff like that. sound design and sound selection is imo the thing that makes or breaks a beat for me.

[@incognitiveincognito]

Yea, the best of the best have presets and use them for a reason, can always tweak the to fit better but they save so much time and spark so many ideas.

[@HeyChicano]

@@incognitiveincognito yeah that's what I've learned from people who make money off it and do it for a living. Also having templates and stuff like that. It sounds like you're just having it be less creative by starting off the same, but I think it's more about removing barriers to get to the creative part faster. Who wants to set up a project from scratch each time and spend like 15 to 30 minutes doing something tedious like routing all your tracks, adding busses and parallel/effect send tracks every single time. Speeding up your workflow is the best thing you can do for creativity. After making beats and music as a hobby, unless I'm trying to purposely step out of my comfort zone, I realized like 95% of my projects look the same in the end in terms of drums, synths, melodies. And having templates and presets doesn't mean you're locked in. You can always tweak and adjust things if something doesn't work like you said.

[@HeyChicano]

@@notreally-sf3df yeah because you can't edit project files and change settings in software as needed I guess. My mistake. I forgot once you make a selection the buttons just go away because you have to live with your mistakes.

[@fentanyljones6956]

Tracklib isn’t solely responsible for sample clearance on many of those artists. They’re the sensible one though, and usually the least expensive. They carry a lot of sample composers’ work that is sold elsewhere, obviously nobody wants to pay 50/track to clear something when they can get the whole pack for 60 if you aren’t gonna murder it in the royalty department, but the production credit splits are crazy better via tracklib.

[@RSKT_music]

I like this video format. Some great hot takes in here, and it's good to hear some different perspectives on them.

[@Michael-xr5yx]

On the Beatles thing, I'm sure the later Beatles albums have more than 8 simultaneous tracks on some songs. The actual tape machine in the studio may have been 8 tracks but any individual tape track may be a bounce down of any number of tracks.

[@el-bov8034]

The Beatles may have recorded to a four-track, but overdubs were often used extensively.

[@SOVLTRON]

I just spoke with a Eunich... He told me Unicorns used to exist....

[@PetrolMediaInc]

Daren and I only used 4 tracks for there it go the whistle song for Juelz Santana. 808, snare, Daren whistling, and a shaker. I think it depends on the beat. On the beat CD we had a lot of tracks with tons of tracks, but a few were as minimal as the whistle track.

[@buckycore]

I look at sound design as a craft unto it's self, in that i create different, more experimental ideas when I'm cooking up stuff from scratch (which i use bitwig for) Vs when I'm discovering those four bar loops that become "songs" it's like the difference between working on an illustration vs. abstract design

[@andrewjamescox797]

"how is that even possible?" hahahahaha navie kept it so real and weaver was solid. Also: the Beatles recorded part of the white album with eight track "hey jude" and all of Abbey Road the studio didnt get eight track recorders until 1968 but Lennon had the 3m eight track at his house . having eight tracks is one of the ways popular music as we enjoy/loathe it today was able to take form and i love love love love opening up FL and.... 500 ? 500 tracks thats half way from 4 weaver you are awesome man you both said some really concise stuff

[@Rayzcooks]

Love the collaboration here. Hope to see more from u guys 👍

[@machiavelli4428]

Using loop packs is also sampling.people just slap them in their daw and don't change them.

[@androponix]

"What, are you sittng on a toilet?"

[@ChristianIce]

"4 tracks are enough for everything" Ok, let's try. 1- kick 2- snare 3- hihat 4- tom 1 ... f*ck!

[@princeqmusic]

i think weaver beats is the best producer channel out here , its fun with dope reviews and just all over cool , love and respect from Dubai

[@karmatosed7211]

i really like the part learn the rules like a pro, so you can break them like an artist. thats something i run into newer ppl to the game that i mentor.

[@thomasmatthews8873]

I will use a preset in a heartbeat if that sound fulfills a need. Sound Design is a foundation but I will deviate. 4 tracks does not apply in all cases. Equipment wise, I started with a Tascam Porta 05 4 track cassette recorder. I became a master of overdubbing and bouncing tracks. Once I got into Multitrack sequencing, I only collapsed vocal tracks. I create my own sample loops using VSTs so I don't have to lift anything from Vinyl. If my inspiration came from vinyl, I make enough changes to chord, key and melody that it becomes a new creation no longer connected to the source material. At that point, the sample gets deleted.

[@fleshtonegolem]

@12:05 "Bro this beat is SICK!"

[@brandnewsam94]

Collab of the decade

[@LesterBrunt]

I find the distinction between producing and composing very interesting. I have always seen myself as a composer, even if I'm just putting beats under something. To me, a composer is somebody who invents the song. A producer to me is like the director in a studio environment, they direct the band to play in a fashion that translates well into a record and direct the engineers to bring out the recordings in a way that serves the music. But there seems to be this idea that composing is for 'high art' music, and that producing is for 'low art' music. If somebody like John Cage does anything with music it is a 'composition', even if it is just letting a bunch of tape loops play. That is because Cage is 'high art', it is 'serious' art, and therefor he 'deserves' the title of composer. Someone like Aphex Twin isn't 'really' a composer because the music is not 'serious', it is 'popular', it is just 'digital noise', at least so it is claimed by some of the music elite (educators, musicologists, 'composers', etc.). I think we electronic musicians should own the title composer. It is a ridiculous distinction, composers compose music, whether that is with feather and ink or with FL studio doesn't change that fundamental principle. Sure it takes very little effort to put a beat under a loop, but effort is not a requirement for composition. I wrote a song with lyrics and everything in like 1 hours last night, I can write a three part fugue in an afternoon.

[@shaynsnyolo]

This duo is crazy good!

[@sirkut]

Feliz Navie D.. there.. couldn't resist.

[@user-lt2rw5nr9s]

Yay, it's Navie! Hope we see more collabs between you two in the future!

[@marsmith1907]

Executive Producer vs Producer

[@beatsfromyhwh]

dope one fams. thanks for the content! god bless y'all! 🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@tommykruesofficial]

If you have seen the movie Shottas from 2002 Kahled is actually playing the body guard roll for Wyclef Jean's Character. Crazy part is i didnt even realize it was him a skinny "on the grind" looking him years and years before the fame, Took me a million watches to notice randomly one day i said " I have seen that dude somewhere before but from where ?" So yeah i used to hate on him but the dude put in so much work in behind the scenes that i get why he's like that. Dude he was opening Fat Joe's umbrella and opening his car door in the Make it Rain video, Man has def put in work for those connections. So on the surface while it seems he just blew up and never went away, In reality he has always been there humbly grinding until it was his time in the light i guess.

[@ceelothatmane9421]

The greatest producers have been composers though. It’s only been in hip hop where you could become a producer without being able to compose. Just look at Nile Rodgers, Zapp and Rodger, Marvin Gaye, Dave Grohl, even Rick Beato. I personally wouldn’t put my trust in a producer who can’t compose because when we get to stand still in his abilities, now we’re forced to bring in other parts. That’s more resources used when I could just work with an actual skilled producer.

[@mthomas1091]

@2:43 girl on her knees in front of Yella’s couch gets fake ”family emergency” text.

[@J-T-Thomas]

Loved this! Please make more videos with this format.

[@lordownanglo]

The collab we didn't know we needed

[@fridmanator]

I don’t think I ever heard anyone comparing Rick Rubin and DJ Khaled

[@rxgueplanet]

This interview was blessed 🙌🏾

[@RobDctr]

HUGE NAVIE D FAN HERE!!!

[@death_throes]

Hell. Yes.

[@TMG9836]

The collab of the century.

[@theoumslah]

Legendary crossover

[@jmccain753]

FUNDAMENTALLY

[@CarloDanger]

The coldest of takes

[@TrippyTechnologyMusic]

Great vid lads, I come from the EDM scene and have been making music for about 21 years using Cubase mainly but i do rewire fruity and ableton into it sometimes and Im pretty sure most DAW's have swing optioned somewhere. The Beatles using 4 tracks is a bit off i think they'd have had at least 7 trax as most of them sing also, and I'm not sure if all the drums would have been 1 track but they may have its possible i think some folks don't understand how a 4 track actually works it's not limited to just 4 traks as you can record 3 tracks into 1 and now you have 3 free tracks again but anyway! Eqing by ear, Ive been using Proq2and3 for ages and used glisseq by voxengo prior and they both have visual displays and Ive def got into the habit of doing it by eye which I'm now trying to get myself out of mainly because i find I end up dialing the trak out there are def benefits to just using our ears tho. Ive had many debates with hip hop producers over the years about their use of samples and using samples to make trax and my argument has always been about the clearance/copyright side of things how often do you hear of people not being able to get a beat/trak cleared because they can't get a sample cleared or even worse you have a song make decent money and it all gets taken by the copyright holder of a sample in the beat, happens all the time. Best thing for new producers/composers is just to get a few vsti's say Zebra, Dune and Kick2 or Bazzism for making kicks and learn synthesis all synths are pretty much the same so learn one and you will have a learned most, the hard bit is finding where every things located on the synth as thats the only thing that separates one synth from another really, The rest is just time at the wheel

[@waveguider]

This was a good listen, Weaver is funny on his own, but the back and forth was!

[@BoDiddly]

Wow! That was really informative! But, I was disappointed Navie didn't take his shirt off. I did click the like button, so I expect him to be here shortly with his shirt off for my massage!

[@JamJam-VIII-II-XC]

This was a nice change of pace, great vid

[@bdbeats7209]

This is a great collaboration

[@funkbungus137]

like Picasso said “It took me four years to paint like Raphael, but a lifetime to paint like a child.” , gotta learn what the rules are and how to use them so you can break them in a way that works.

[@bovinebloodline]

I love navies humor 😂

[@jacobgrab7900]

next guest - Marlow Digs

[@VinnieDangerous]

2 of my favorite KZbin producers link up

[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

@ 28:25ish Guilty as charged

[@beatz04]

In the traditional sense, a producer's task is *not* to make someone popular, or "get them to #1". Quincy Jones or Rick Rubin get paid for putting together the greatest possible album, but it's not within their duties to bring that album to the top. That's on totally different departments like PR, marketing, management etc. Also, the reason why people like DJ Khaled rightfully get so much heat is because he presents himself as a "producer" more in the nowaday sense of the word, i.e. like someone who does the actual music, like a beatmaker producer or similar, and people rightfully question his musical (or even technical) input on the records he "produces". Btw - most of traditional producers do way more than just making decisions or bringing togeher the right people - while that's also part of their job, with many if not most it's also expected they can either profoundly direct recording engineers (with a deep understanding of recording technology), or engineer the record themselves right away. Rick Biato would be a producer in that traditional sense, and you bet there are worlds between him and DJ Khaled when it comes to that knowledge and skills.

[@hypehouse7271]

omg weaver beats can talk like a real human.... :D

[@katana2seppuku]

Hyperpop drum kits are super unique but das a micro genre so idk much about typical trap n rap sounds

[@3rdARKnight]

Dope vid good seeing y’all together salute 🤟🏾

[@user-dm1sq5hk6w]

A beatmaker isn’t ever labeled as the producer. There’s such a huge difference the beatmakers don’t seem to want to acknowledge. Beatmaking isn’t producing songs. You’re not a producer if you just make beats. Producing is crafting a song. Producers play instruments and write songs. They sequence the song together. They come up with the topics. Not all producers are the same but there’s a huge difference between beatmakers and producers who produce songs not beats. A beatmaker typically makes a two bar loop and that’s it. They do the add and take away of sounds to make it progress but really is just keeping the same boring ass loop. A real producer will have many chord changes, even key changes, sometimes tempo changes…not double time which is the same speed. Producers write songs for artists. Producers who only have beats aren’t producers bro. 🛑

[@TheBassOtter]

Subbed to both of your channels. Quality Content. Thanks!

[@djibg2721]

Having worked at Ableton, the Groove Pool conspiracy somewhat rings true.

[@Jordanchicity23]

good stuff guys. navie d is sneaky funny. weaver is quite the wise guy as well.

[@ButcherGrindslam]

"Abbey Road" already used more than 8 tracks through bouncing losing fidelity in original mix.

[@drindy5166]

Make all your own samples and play like you're the 5th Beatle! 🤘🧡👍

[@fridmanator]

The Beatles started with 4 tracks, but they ended up at the best recording studio in the world for that time. They had more than 8…

[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

Loving this channel 🤟🔥🤟

[@Phosphor_Sco]

Daddy D🤟🏽🤟🏽🤟🏽

[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

@ 30:30 How? Besides selling custom music, what else is there?

[@jloiben12]

Depending on how you sample, sampling is absolutely 100% fair use

[@skibiditoiletbrainrot_]

I agree

[@JesusIced]

TWO GROWN MEN HAVING CONVERSATION. just enough jokes, this is perfect. MASSIVE JOHNNY CARSON ffs)

[@LesterBrunt]

It would be very easy to just say if the music isn't making money after a certain amount of years post publishing, then their music is fair use for derivatives. The alternative, that we have now, is that millions of hours of awesome music is forgotten and lost to obscurity because nobody dares to do anything with it. I find some obscure track with an awesome melody from a band that is long forgotten, I'm not going to do anything with it. I'm not going to pay thousands of bucks to make a song, and chances are far higher I won't be able to track down the owners, but the risk that I could get sued is far too great so I'm just going to let that track remain in obscurity. If the music does not make any business, then somebody using that music will only be a benefit. If another 5 years go by and my spotify albums are still doing the same as they are now, which is like 10 streams a month, then wouldn't it be a super positive thing if other artists started using parts of my tracks? How does that entitle me to their money? If I could've made money with it then why didn't I in 10 years? It could bring me a lot of publicity, what if it becomes popular and people start tracking down the sample? This greedy money vulture ideology of "everything is mine!!" is really toxic. It is also incredibly selfish, only the top 0.1% of musicians get to make money off their royalties. Think about the mountains of LP's, cassettes, cd's, from artists that never 'made it' that are just rotting away doing nothing because nobody is 'allowed' to use it, and only so that the most elite musicians, and mostly publishing companies, get to make a lot of money. Why are we doing that to ourselves? It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

[@fromSin2Lynn09]

WOW!!!

[@IamMonvi]

The beatles would take multiple tracks, and basically sum them down to one track, if they needed to add more instruments, from what I heard in school

[@theoneunder]

Playing a beat to a mate who's clucking - Bleurgh!

[@quazisciencerecordings]

You can have a ton of tracks just mix and put them in groups and stem out that way.

[@SuacedUp]

wow

[@h-dawg6462]

in "morph eq" by minimal audio you could draw a pony! not that it would achieve anything.

[@michaels8607]

I never heard of this guy and I don't know how people who were not even around in the height of hiphop, have an educated opinion. I would also give the nod to Rick Rubin and people like that who focused on classics, not just bangers. People do not care about presets or not because the majority of artists and listeners know way less about music in general. You cannot say how many tracks because that's only based on opinions. To add to that only commercial studios with bigger budgets or wealthy artists had access to 32-108 track mixing boards. Music is a BUSINESS, and yes there are basic things you need to know, master, and make great use of. Why in the heck would I BUY beats when I have samplers???huh?? If you need to buy kits and you own samplers, you are not using more than around 20% of the sampling powers...

[@danstuckie2115]

Wow

[@Elliott.Revell]

KZbin beat making tutorial people are bad for hip hop because they post content with their views and clicks in mind, not for the benefit of keeping hip hop alive.

[@edgedubs]

I didn’t know weaver had a brother

[@gooneybird808]

Well said boys

[@LesterBrunt]

I think an aspect of the overrated KZbin educators that you missed, is that they are all doing the exact same damn thing. They are all teaching you how to do fm synthesis, what a compressor does, how to make a certain type of sound. But where can you find educators who teach you how to actually write music? Explaining how an EQ works is easy, it's just facts, you grab the manual and make a summary. Explaining how to write a song is hard because it is not fact based.

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

Good video.

[@TheTrumanZoo]

you need navi once a month mainnneee :D

[@realmchat6665]

Idk where people started calling whole compositions "beats", beats are just percussion, hence the name...

[@MattCupan]

There's plenty of huge, big-time producers that don't even know how to make music. MC Serch produced Nas Illmatic, and made zero beats.

[@sakegroelle3040]

it wasnt always just 4 tracks, they obviously used more than 1 4 track recorder lmao

[@jeremybenson5782]

I don't think a song is meant to have a name drop. Imagine if every song was like, 50 on the beat, or dre on the beat. Chill dog on the beat, Em on the beat, lol... Wouldn't that ruin music, yes, lol.

[@banparlous2552]

What if I don't want a massage, is Navie still gonna show up at my house?

[@trevor_mounts_music]

I'm so glad i'm into D&B, Jungle, House, Footwork etc because none of this shit applies to my world. The hip hop/rap "community" seems so fucking sad in 2023 ngl. Like sad, boring crabs in a bucket 😂

[@johnnytacos5529]

I watch 25 hours of weaver for every hour of beats I make so I am getting absolutely fucking nowhere