Caller MAD About MR Crew's Ukraine Coverage

A listener who identifies themselves as an anti-imperialist got into a very heated debate with the MR crew over their coverage of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
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Come from a 323 area code. Who's this? Where do you come from? Also in the middle of work. But you know okay. Yeah, that's better. Thanks. Yeah no I've been listening for quite a while. I wanted to like perhaps everything I'm saying with that because you know a big part of my political education came from listening to Michael Brooks. And just the way he was able to talk about the stuff going on internationally and everything else was really something that I connected with. And the past in my opinion is the past year with what's going on in Ukraine and everything has been very disappointing just in the way that I've been hearing it talked about. And especially just from people like yourselves who I've come to understand that like your guys' job is much more in the political Realm and understanding what's going on politically. And in the realm of Politics as opposed to you know a more International lens. Which is what I know Michael Brooks was amazing at. You know and just from the aspect of NATO's involvement the recent leaks that have come out regarding you know the CIA had funded the Ukrainian Nazis the Azov Battalion it just felt like a lot of the discourse around it was from my view from a very racist lens. Because in my understanding of things had that same situation gone down and anywhere outside of Europe then it would have been the discourse of we've been down this road before. We know what it's like to have to sit there and fund small right-wing far right-wing sections of a government that seems small and then 20 years later we have a full-on God knows what. But that's what happens when you put billions and billions of dollars into the hands of Nazis. So wait a second so let me let me see if I understand the way you're characterizing what's going on in Ukraine. For you, the top line of the Ukrainian conflict is the U.S. starts funding a small band of Nazis in a country. Do you feel like you're missing a step or two with that timeline? What I'm getting at. No, you still don't know. you still don't know. Give me an example of when the United States funded a country's Army let's say when they were invaded by another country. Kuwait I don't know that we gave them funding. But we came in with the military. I mean I wouldn't be surprised if we gave them some money as well. I would imagine we also gave them money but we brought in troops. What I'm trying to get at is the discourse, see I'm not saying that Russia is right in its Invasion. I'm Anti-Imperialist and it's a war of sovereignty. But what I'm seeing is the discourse around it. I'm only criticizing the way that you presented the conflict. You led with I mean I want to say you led with the tail but not even. Was the president before he was not democratically elected and has it not been shown that that Revolution was highly funded by a CIA operation to overthrow that democratically elected president because he was a Russian Ally and was going to go against American hegemony. So I think without understanding that context the answer is I. I think that it's highly disputed that if you're saying that the but for in the Revolution was a function of U.S of U.S money. I think you're wrong. I don't think it was the sole reason but I think that U.S. hegemony has gotten very good at pushing things in its direction in the way it wants to go. Also in some ways too I mean also really bad. well I mean I would say that it's all bad when you're giving money.

[@argspid]

I hate when I'm so anti-imperialist that I end up justifying Russian imperialism.

[@oddjam]

Horseshoe theory with Russian characteristics.

[@analcommando1124]

@@letsgobrandon9867 yeah, its not like you Russian stooges made up the Ukrainian nazis ...

[@simonc2796]

@@letsgobrandon9867 If you were a real man you would be doing this in a lecture hall or street corner. But you know if you did someone would break your knees.

[@analcommando1124]

Havent finished the video yet but I'm 99.99999% sure this guy likes Aaron Mate and Max Blumenthal.

[@thepolarphantasm2319]

​@Illhan Omar's Brother "adolf" 🤡 Sit down, fash. 😂

[@pin3780]

Even his dog is like shut up man, you're embarrassing yourself, just stop talking.

[@TheDansParty]

If this guy thinks Michael Brooks' position would be anything near his, he's fooling himself.

[@anarchkat]

The idea that Brooks would be defending Putin alongside fascists like Hackson Jinkle and Haz would be hilarious if it weren't so fucking insulting to a legend like Mike.

[@Jacob-hk6to]

He wouldn’t be defending Putin. When the hell did the caller defend Putin?

[@anarchkat]

@@Jacob-hk6to When he spent the entire call apologizing for Russian war crimes and claiming that the war is about deNazification.

[@Jacob-hk6to]

@@anarchkat he didn’t claim the war was for denazification. Sam Seder’s audience agrees with almost everything he says lol

[@douglasmennella4525]

@@Jacob-hk6to No clue which video you’re responding to. His whole framing was around support of the Azov brigade.

[@zedmann1680]

“I don’t think anyone should invade ANYBODY!” But also doesn’t think anyone should do anything to stop an invasion

[@letsgobrandon9867]

'You just want the terrorist to win' - Rush Limbaugh/Sam Seder

[@hellojake7684]

I don’t think anyone should invade anyone else. And also, if someone does invade someone else, they should not be stopped and they should be allowed to keep all the spoils of invading that other country. Are these people simply incapable of connecting 2 ideas? After they have a thought, do they just erase everything from their brain before they have their next thought?

[@fishbiter9409]

Isn't defending yourself against an invasion just you invading the invader's invasion? Give peace a chance!

[@EasternOrthodox101]

Learn history, American z0mbies - Ukraine and Ukrainians are Russian and ours!! And don't you dare comparing your filthy puppet apartheid Zionist state to us, you hear?!!! The Zionists and the Ukronazis are both good friends AND both are your puppet regimes. You and them are the occupiers, not Russia! Russia supports the Palestinians 🇷🇺❤🇵🇸🇮🇷

[@pano3607]

@@nevermorebouquet3681 Hopefully Ukraine will remain an independent, sovereign nation. On top of which, the US gave certain guarantees to Ukraine.

[@mamorris23]

it would have been comedy gold if the last caller would have opened the call with "taxes are illegal!"

[@matthewmayton1845]

I really hoped it was a libertarian and/or a mra. Even as a joke, but this guy was tiring.

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

I was convinced after Sam asked if he was a libertarian, he'd answer:, "no" "...I'm here to debate MRA stuff..."

[@matthewkosta]

The most telling part of this is when Sam is asking him a simple policy question and he can not untangle it from his personal experience. "I don't know any arms dealers". Like dude c'mon. Get serious. Humble yourself a little. This isn't about you. You are saying you don't like what the government did. Sam is asking you what the government should have done. And you don't have a good answer so you obscure the whole thing with hypothetical barriers. And instead of humbling yourself and seeing the flaw in your logic. You get defensive. You keep it personal. I hope this person takes this call as a learning moment for themselves.

[@nicholasrapose196]

Couldn’t have said it better. Kid is a 🤡

[@Rastloese]

Exactly.

[@cctomcat321]

Pretty much anyone when you tell them they're wrong.

[@j0j0dartiste21]

​@@shadebleu because he's an American president

[@davidadams2395]

Based on the level of his stridency, I doubt this call will see him reflecting in any meaningful manner.

[@moosepocalypse6500]

It's a fundamental misunderstanding of how NATO works... NATO doesn't choose where it goes, countries apply to join. I'm Finnish, we had NO interest in joining NATO until the Russians invaded Ukraine. Now we're in NATO. NATO didn't get to come in here, WE applied to join. Using NATO expansion as a justification for Russian imperialism is just pathetic. Especially as said expansion was countries joining NATO specifically for protection from said Russian imperialism 🙄

[@reav3rtm]

That's a lie, I saw Abrams rolling in through Helsinki and Sanna Marin held at gunpoint on TV by NATO general! Facts ;)

[@DUDEBroHey]

That's not at all true. The USA tries to use NATO to influence Europe. Just like all government programs it looks for a reason to continue existing. NATO ran its course and should be abolished. What the heck do you mean we applied for NATO? Did you personally vote for it? I doubt it. Your nation state isn't you. I'm not the USA. I'm not responsible for what the empire of my citizenship does. Have some autonomy man.

[@stonythewoke9921]

Thats a common misconception. The NATO members decide if a country is allowed to join NATO or not. Non-aligned countries cannot simply decide to join and thats it. So it was and is a conscious decision of the NATO (or more specifically, of NATO members) to allow the expansion of NATO towards Russia. That's just a fact.

[@pekka5393]

@@stonythewoke9921 Yes, and as op said, countries APPLY to join, then it is up to the NATO members. So it starts with the country wanting to join. If a sovereign country wants to apply, it can do that, russia should not have any say in that.

[@yzmey42113]

What does the war in Ukraine has to do with Finland?

[@Iffem]

man, "your dead friend would agree with me and be disappointed in you" as a debate opener isn't just asking for gloves off, that's asking for brass knuckles ON.

[@lrose5522]

Yeah that was... a choice caller made.

[@Weeping_Somnambulist]

Yeah, honestly Matt went easy on this dude and let Sam really have the floor. He has a lot of restraint. I would've loved to hear Matt against this guy 1v1.

[@aaronsande]

And he would not. Michael supported Palestine against Israel and this would have been the same answer for him.

[@illogicalslayer9856]

@@aaronsande We don't know what Michael's position would be and it is insanely disrespectful to put words in a dead mans mouth for your arguments. The caller and you.

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

@@illogicalslayer9856 Pretty sure Brooks would have the same take as Sam... Come on lol. Although that would be funny if he sided with tucky tuckerson the fired loser.

[@kcolonelx6181]

It was nice of Tucker to call into the show now that he has all that free time on his hands.

[@pano3607]

Ha ha! He did have that same whiny pitch to his voice, as well!

[@basedtruthpiller7140]

Why have you been silent about Russia since the leaks went mainstream?

[@mr.dr0bot731]

Tucker would never shame America for funding Nazis.

[@kcolonelx6181]

@@basedtruthpiller7140 Почему вы молчали о России с тех пор, как утечки стали мейнстримом?

[@OwlsEyelash]

😂😅

[@galvanaut7119]

I'm confused, does Jimmy Dore have a cold or something on this call? He sounds weird.

[@yarnpower]

Good one!

[@OuterGalaxyLounge]

Haha. Great.

[@caad5258]

I'm glad this call happened. Caller was awful, but at least he was honest enough to admit his foreign policy begins and ends with "America is the devil". A lot of people on the left fall into this trap and its genuinely destructive.

[@UncleBeerus]

Its almost as destructive as American imperialism

[@Pasonia]

So you mean to say, America is so perfect it cannot be called out on? Sheesh. Let’s keep calling out the continued existence of Ron DeSatanist in office.

[@caad5258]

@@Pasonia If Ron is a Satanist, that makes Disneys lawyers Exorcists...

[@alekzgavriel-russo7453]

Not just the left, right wing libertarians also, it such a dogmatic thought process.

[@IPC-D_Media_Unit]

"America is the Devil" should be where everyone's foreign policy starts

[@simontemplar404]

Glad to hear that Progressive America has a coherent view of the Ukraine war that starts with the idea that a country with aspirations to democracy deserves support against an imperialist invasion. We still support countries like Hungary which are apparently drifting away from democracy. This is perhaps a moment when America can start to make amends for the Iraq war by reaffirming its belief in democracy.

[@DUDEBroHey]

Why is democracy worth defending? Democracy is embarrassing. It relies on lies to exist.

[@AxelLeJeff]

"Impotence" instead of impetus, edging instead of egging, guy's got something else on the mind.

[@puckerings]

No, it just means he's not as smart as he thinks he is. Which is also obvious from his arguments.

[@davidm1926]

Your unwillingness to engage with the substance of his comments, but eagerness to sophomorically mock his word choices, is a total phallusy.

[@Smunchnuu]

​@@davidm1926Phallusy 😳😳

[@tari8134]

@@davidm1926 No, he's just not as smart as he thinks he is. Which is also obvious from his arguments.

[@davidm1926]

​@@tari8134 Whatever, it's so easy to dismiss someone's intelligence, rather than engage in a proper intellectual intercourse.

[@haruki456]

He claims that he supports national sovereignty and then makes excuses for Putin and Russia.

[@alabamaman5994]

But... but... the only reason anyone is anti-war is because they're a Putin lover!' - Rush Limbaugh/Majority Report/John McCain... it's all the same thing at this point.

[@HERES_JAWNiE]

He wasn't wrong. I mean, saying sanctions was wrong but america did push this war. George W. entertaining the idea of ukraine and georgia joining NATO is ultimately how things popped off. Diplomacy is always the answer. Also, Sam saying holodomor was a "forced famine" is a-historical.

[@TheMahayanist]

​​@@HERES_JAWNiE The US didn't force Putin to invade Ukraine. That's absurd. And Holodomor was clearly an artificial famine induced by psuedoscientific Lysenkoism.

[@pawanyr360]

@@HERES_JAWNiE Not even gonna engage with the Holodomor denialism, but if NATO membership was actually the motivation for the invasion, then that motivation was totally taken away when Germany categorically said they would veto membership for Ukraine before the invasion. Now all Russia's done is push even more of its neighbors into NATO.

[@caad5258]

@@HERES_JAWNiE So when Soviet soldiers went to Ukrainian farms and confiscated their harvest at gunpoint, that wasn't an act of force?

[@nickmathiason2917]

10:30 “I don’t know anyone that has ever stopped a war by adding more weapons to it” I guess world war 2 was ended by just ignoring the nazis and Japan super hard lol

[@Deemo202]

I mean yeah, Hiroshima and Nagasaki had “*shrug*” and “Not My Problem” dropped on them 😂

[@DUDEBroHey]

It wasn't the USA's fight to begin with. Japan was already losing when the bombs were dropped. Had the USA ignored it in WW1 there would've been no WW2. If we ignored WW2 there would've been no cold war. The USA had sanctions on Japan which is they attacked Pearl harbor.

[@CorrectFossa]

If I had a dollar for everytime someone called in, seemingly already halfway into a very complicated train of thought that they expect everyone else to keep up with.

[@letsgobrandon9867]

Why do you love the Azov Battalion so much?

[@soulknife20]

​@@letsgobrandon9867 Because they die really well

[@CorrectFossa]

@@letsgobrandon9867 Jesse, what the hell are you talking about?

[@alabamaman5994]

@@soulknife20 then why were they just in DC, on camera, in uniform, meeting with Bernie Sanders?

[@alabamaman5994]

@@CorrectFossa Why does AOC love the Azov Battalion so much?

[@oddjam]

"I've been watching the show for 47 years, and Michael Brooks would have agreed with me btw, but here's some good faith criticism [insert mild version of a Tankie or jimmy dore or Greyzone argument]" I hate the way that these people have successfully coopted the words "imperialism" and "hegemony". Seems like they're making a similar push with "decentralization" too.

[@analcommando1124]

Dont forget to mention CIA and Nazis every other 5 seconds.

[@progbuck]

It's recuperation

[@Deemo202]

The problem with “US bad” is that a lot of the time you’re not wrong but it’s pretty weak analysis overall because in this case helping Ukraine is the right thing to do 😂

[@fka-Kaya]

Gosh, this must have been one of the mots obnoxious callers ever, opinion- AND voice-wise. Respect MR for keeping so calm through this torture!

[@poltronafrau]

My god his voice is so pathetic

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

FAR worse than the caller who's still harping on TYT mid dramaz...

[@CelibateYoda]

I always hate when people bring up Michael to try and justify their terrible points just let the man rest

[@cameronmcleod8419]

Trying to invoke his name against his own friends too, what an abhorrent little turd.

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

I paused it as soon as Caller said his name & basically wrote out what you say here so succinctly + perfectly, except I said it in like 5000 words bc I was so grossed out & it reminded me of many other times callers do that something in me just snapped

[@frankpalancio8471]

Warning: Listening to this caller will lower your IQ 20 points

[@poornalingam6261]

And listening to the discussion will even lower your IQ...💯

[@JoshuaFazeli]

The Saagar and Krystal talking points are dumbing the kids down.

[@dumat100]

I'm not a fan of the Hill, but it makes me understand why they got rid of them. Can't imagine the amount of times Krystal and Saagar asked them to do UFO segments, lol.

[@MrZombiekiller23]

@@dumat100 when you agree w the corporate media establishment, you know you;re a REAL LEFTIST??? lmfao

[@nickmathiason2917]

Invoking and putting words in the mouth of their dead friend and former co-host is a hell of a way to try to start a debate with the hosts of a show.

[@gotrac8121]

What words did he put?

[@robrich7846]

Telling someone who can decide to mute you at any point in the conversation to go fuck themselves is also quite a thing to do.

[@nickmathiason2917]

@@gotrac8121 he’s presenting it as if Michael would agree with what he’s saying or that he formed these views from watching Michael and Matt does a nice job of explaining why he absolutely would not have been on this guys side

[@justwhistlinpixie]

Yeah this dude needs to keep Michael's name out of his mouth. If I were Sam I wouldn't be able to keep myself together the way he did.

[@gotrac8121]

@@MichaelAronson I did and still asked the question. Find some business if being helpful isn't your fortie

[@dumat100]

When he said " I watched you guys, but I'm now more radical" I already saw where this was going. They always have the same line, they should stop saying it, it gives the game up.

[@DUDEBroHey]

I watch stuff like this because if ever my views i become more moderate i need a reminder as to why I'm an Ancap.

[@krasmazov009]

God I miss libertarian callers. This new wave of callers are just complaining at the wall.

[@letsgobrandon9867]

Why does AOC crush unions for fun?

[@acreativename2781]

​@@letsgobrandon9867 get a life dude

[@beautifultrouble-vx4zj]

@@acreativename2781 why does AOC love the Azov Battalion? What's so good about them?

[@wrinklefighter]

@@letsgobrandon9867 when you see a comment notification on your phone do you start masturbating before or after you open it.

[@nicholasrapose196]

@@letsgobrandon9867 substantiate your nonsense with actual evidence. And make sure to not ignore all of the evidence that runs contrary to your nonsense.

[@wizardoflawz]

the caller is just wrong. Ukrainians are pro=Ukraine, first off. We are alies, but they want their country for Ukraine, regardless of what we want. Ukraine is not a pawn to be treated as expendable or not expendable by either side

[@greenhammer3263]

How do you feel if ukraine signs a peace deal with lands lost?

[@user-dj7ju2ce7m]

​@@greenhammer3263 That would be a terrible outcome of the war, ruzzia should return all the occupied land

[@robm6645]

Ironically this only seeks to further justify the US using Ukraine as an expendable pawn.

[@JohnJay2142]

@@greenhammer3263 I doubt Ukraine would try this again. France and Germany brokered the Minsk Agreements and russia invaded anyway. A peace deal that doesn't have russia completely withdraw from Ukraine means russia will come back in a few years.

[@greenhammer3263]

@@JohnJay2142 what try again? . Merkel admitted it was just a rouse to give ukraine more time to build up their forces

[@itsROMPERS...]

6:55 Emma hears him say "Russia was the IMPOTENCE..." instead of "impetus" and cocks her head like "WTF did he just say?"

[@davet6079]

Just saw that😂😂😂

[@matthewpopp1054]

Literally was reading this comment when it happened 😂

[@itsROMPERS...]

@@matthewpopp1054 weird when that happens

[@leonardruggiero2457]

Lmao and then he says “edges” after

[@itsROMPERS...]

@@leonardruggiero2457 instead of what? I made this comment a year ago, I don't remember the whole thing

[@nopenonono]

I just wanted to say thank you MR crew, you dealt with this guy in the best possible way

[@letsgobrandon9867]

Why do you love the Azov Battalion so much?

[@soulknife20]

​@@letsgobrandon9867 Because they die real well

[@oddjam]

​@@letsgobrandon9867 because weirdos will whine about it.

[@letsgobrandon9867]

@@oddjam why is being anti fascist weird to you?

[@smolapril]

@@letsgobrandon9867 dont you have anything better to do?

[@growupjohnny9374]

Oh MY GOOOOOOOD HE IS GUZZLING RU PROPAGANDA VERBATIM

[@Artotunion]

This is what happens when being skeptical of institutions turns into outright distrust of institutions. You lose all nuance and before you know it, you’re justifying invasions from extreme aggressors, saying they had no choice.

[@richjordan6461]

I can't speak for the caller. But I don't justify the actions of Russia...I do justify their frustration...and I hold NATO accountable for getting us into this situation

[@kingcyrusthegreat3887]

I will always blame the Russian elite and the failed Soviet set up and the implementation of privatization schemes in Russia 🇷🇺 state

[@Cory_Springer]

I wish every country joined NATO except Russia.

[@menzere2009]

@@richjordan6461If Nato didn’t expand Russia would gave already invaded the baltics. and Poland.

[@soulknife20]

​@Rich Jordan Oh look. A Ruskie tankie

[@asb1089]

9:20 I haven't finished listening yet, but props to Matt for keeping his cool with the caller when you can tell he was really pissed by the guy a) invoking Michael and b) telling Matt to go f**k himself.

[@oddjam]

Yeah this was an apex Matt moment imo.

[@redolentthought7085]

Thought the exact same thing. Matt could bodied this moron, and was justified if he did, but held back.

[@xAssailantx]

Yea I would have flipped the fuck out

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

Also gotta love how menacing Matt's little "no, let's keep him on" is, in retrospect.

[@nelltight7251]

Really they cut him off and changed the subject then hedge. Why say (if we did fund them then yes) Then say they was invaded like that wasn't the reason reason why they actually invaded

[@Ozhull]

I have my own critiques of MR vis a vis Ukraine, but jfc, this kid had no substance to his critique, he sounds like hes just been poisoned by russian propaganda

[@robm6645]

Exactly, the problems with Ukraine and the US support there are its bad for the civilian population, the society, and any democracy Ukraine has. The Russian invasion is a much bigger threat to all of that and enables the far right, enables Ukraine to be used as a US proxy and excuses the political repression of the Ukrainian government is engaging in.

[@sypherthe297th2]

Idk. . . He sounds really close to Emma and Matt a few months back. Matt that doesnt shock me as hes jist Jamie lite but Emma really did take me by surprose with that crap.

[@robm6645]

@@sypherthe297th2 You are going down the Maddow to Azov pipeline, your opinion is meaningless.

[@letsgobrandon9867]

Why do love the Azov Battalion so much?

[@letsgobrandon9867]

@@sypherthe297th2 Jon Stewart literally gave the Azov Battalion an award. Literally.

[@joeyg448]

That last caller said what we were all thinking I suspect. Great job of reading the room.

[@mainer5778]

Putin revived NATO

[@adoredpariah]

Just refused the idea that he might have been wrong about anything he brought up and started obnoxiously yelling and interrupting only to finish out with America bad... I guess this is what happens when you overcook critique of the US, it smokes up the room and makes it impossible to discuss any geopolitics at all.

[@KevinPhilipsBong1]

impotence? edging? The Freud is strong with this one

[@sophiophile]

Yeah, he said so many similar sounding words in place of the correct one. Is this common in the US? I've noticed it with Americans a lot more than here in Canada. Is it a literacy issue? (I'm not trying to be insulting, it's an honest question).

[@Lime_Pillows]

​​​@@sophiophile Average Americans have the reading comprehension of a 6th grader. That helps bring it into perspective, lol.

[@KevinPhilipsBong1]

@@sophiophile I stopped watching after he said 'edging' because I found his argument uncompelling. I'm going to take the safe answer and say it was the adrenaline talking, either due to nervousness or the combative nature of the call.

[@orinjayce]

Glad I wasn't the only one who heard that.

[@arsmor1end1]

Honestly, that was the most stimulating part of his call...

[@sophiophile]

Kudos on you guys for keeping your calm while this guy tried to shame you by invoking the name of your dead friend like he had deep insights into him. Also, the end was perfect. Basically: 'my intellectual analysis is that if the US is involved it's bad'. 'thats not an intellectual analysis'. Click.

[@Saurawr]

I was amazed they got him to just say it. He is an American Diabolist, all of his political prescriptions begin with "this thing America did is bad because" and then he finds a way to fill in the blanks.

[@franksir5528]

I think you're reading far too much into his invoking Michael's name. That's merely my opinion

[@GayTier1Operator]

michael disagreed with sam very often on foreign policy and disagreed with him about voting for biden. caller was closer to brooksy than sam on this

[@Sloimer]

You’re too stupid to recognize this show has lost some of its foreign policy nuance in favor of transgender hysteria?

[@mrlollipop638]

@@GayTier1Operator What are you basing this on? What meaningful foreign policy disagreements did they have during their time co-hosting together? Michael also advocated voting Biden in the general election.

[@markendicott6874]

"I heard the US Gubbermint once walked into a bar in Mariapol and bought a Ukranian a drink so obviously Rushia couldnt just ignore that and everything is NATO's fault because i want it to be."

[@letsgobrandon9867]

We literally overthrew their government in 2014.

[@davet6079]

@@letsgobrandon9867 Reported for spamming. Hopefully you'll lose more accounts.

[@Sugarman96]

@@letsgobrandon9867 You fucking wish, credit belongs to the Ukrainian people.

[@mirelchirila]

Just a reminder, NATO expansion is countries applying for NATO, meeting a certain criteria, voting it through their parliament, and getting approval from all other members. The countries in Eastern europe were so desperate to get into NATO some of them like Poland literally started lobbying in US politics. So framing this like it’s done to us is crazy. Let me say I completely disagree with Sam on NATO enlargement. It is a force for good because it allows contries that would have been under the sword of Russia to develop without the fear of invasion, it comes with anti-corruption measures and investment plus expertise in that investment. I’m not gonna pretend America is perfect, it lags behind eastern europe in some perspectives, but it’s a whole lot better than any alternative, including our western european partners, that have proven disappointing many times in situations like this.

[@funbarsolaris2822]

If you're prefer America to EU please leave and live in a US dystopian sht hole! Don't drag our civilisations down with you!

[@j0j0dartiste21]

​@P T why not neither?

[@illogicalslayer9856]

Russia tried to join in the 2000s. If they were allowed to this wouldn't be happening. The fuck USSR alliance should have been dissolved after the USSR dissolved but why wasn't it? Would it be NATO wanting war with Russia? Why would you want to join the fuck Russia coalition? Would it be to attack Russia with 20+ countries like how they did in 1918? Would EE states who just dissolved the union and all the right wingers the USA gave shelter to went back and got involved with politics and they were anti Russian/anti communist actors along with those forces in the new governments wanted to attack Russia? Challenge your assumptions as I have and see if you come to a different conclusion. Btw peace talks now fuck war.

[@DUDEBroHey]

Ah great more subversion of the USA. The USA has no sovereignty left. NATO should be disbanded. End of story.

[@echolocationn]

FRIENDLY REMINDER: When Alabama Man types lies flow forth. Don't feed him as he's literally using bots to spread lies so that he can get attention. Report all of his posts and move on. The sheer fact that he's had to dust off accounts that he hasn't used in 6+ months proves that reporting does work.

[@woobiefuntime]

Who is Alabama man

[@ShaithMaster]

​@@woobiefuntime He's a notorious troll on this channel who has multiple accounts.

[@alabamaman5994]

Why does Bernie Sanders LITERALLY sign the checks that fund the Azov Battalion?

[@ShaithMaster]

​@@alabamaman5994 You should be happy about that, you're a Nazi sympathizer.

[@n0tk0sher]

​@@alabamaman5994 Huh? Where did you get that?

[@shadearistotle1136]

What mindset do you have to be in to think invoking someone's dead friends to bolster your Russian propaganda-fuelled argument is a good idea? If that wasn't a demonstration of inept social skills, all the overtalk ranting and raving definitely were. I pity anyone that shares a dinner table with them.

[@seanreynolds1266]

Dog in the background made a better argument.

[@teebalicious]

I saw this mentioned the day it happened in the subreddit, and was hoping it’d get clipped. 100% lived up to the hype. Holey moley.

[@oddjam]

My gf watches the clips but not the live show and I hyped it up so fucking much to her. Did not disappoint.

[@soulsatzero3788]

Man, i am really impressed how you all still remained relatively calm in this discussion and tried to have a conversation. Poor argumentation aside, when someone starts a discussion with me by telling me how my friend, who died, would have agreed with them or would have done a better job than me, that's already the point where i tell them to f- off and never talk with me again.

[@beautifultrouble-vx4zj]

@@shadebleu progressives always lose debates.

[@soulknife20]

​@@shadebleu What op is describing is an appeal to emotion logical fallacy. When all you yahoos do is "debate" by using fear and emotions, it's not a debate.

[@alabamaman5994]

@@shadebleu progressives always lose debates

[@IngramSnake]

That’s an extreme position to take. You need to chill out bro.

[@beautifultrouble-vx4zj]

Progressives always lose debates

[@Nerd_Detective]

The vexxing thing about this is that the caller's entire position is simply "America bad" and he thinks realizing that was a political awakening. There's no actual policy behind it beyond "whatever America wouldn't want." That's why he got so angry during the conversation -- there's absolutely nothing behind his paper thin position, so all he could do is regurgitate the propaganda he was fed and get agitated at Sam challenging positions that are ENTIRELY based on emotion. It doesn't matter that Russian is acting as a violent imperial power in this, so long as America doesn't want them to. There is no point at which this ends -- Russia could march armies out to expand to USSR-era borders and beyond. Imperialism is ONLY bad when America does it, so any country that's an American adversary gets a pass. This is what shallow, zero-thought politics does to someone's brain.

[@DUDEBroHey]

How could that position be propaganda? How is propaganda ever against the country a person resides in? Matt Taibi put out a great article on USA censorship. Seders views align perfectly with the censors. Do you think any USA governmental organization puts out the message that government is bad? Most Americans don't even understand the compact theory of the constitution.

[@xiaolinstyle]

After the sixth time he used 'hedgemony' I'm like "You keep using that word..."

[@ProfessorSkottey]

I think the caller is auditioning for Jimmy Dore's show...

[@Weeping_Somnambulist]

Dude comes off like a Hinkle/Infrared fanboy and I bet he is one.

[@nosuchthing8]

Ah, the typical response of someone losing an argument. Shout and scream.

[@lord6617]

No offense, but for this guy saying he was a fan of Michael Brooks, he surely didn't pick up a fking thing Brooks was about. Brooks was well read, he understood the actual history of the region. And he understood the proportionality of all the interests involved. The fact 1 regiment of nazis (even if we give you that) in proportion to an army of 300 to 400 thousand people is *laughable* and Michael Brooks wouldn't have even given that line of reasoning the time of day.

[@thepolarphantasm2319]

This guy calling from inside the drive thru speaker at a Fatburger 😂

[@obamas65khotdog54]

WHY IS the Majority Report running active cover for the Azov Battalion? I mean... I know this channel doesn't explicitly say 'wh.i.tes o.nly' but everyone knows what's up....

[@nicholasrapose196]

@@obamas65khotdog54 they addressed that lol. Guess you weren’t listening and just here to troll?

[@ragingtyga]

​@@obamas65khotdog54 You have an example of why I shouldn't like the Azov Battalion?

[@j0j0dartiste21]

​@@obamas65khotdog54 you literally said "white lives matter" under a video about Ethiopia

[@andregordon2599]

Me, walking in " Oh, so this may be like Ronald Raygun's spirited, but still respectful disagreement with Sam on the US position on Ukraine" After the video: " I WAS WRONG, I WAS SO WRONG"

[@caad5258]

This dude was the opposite of Raygun in every way.

[@oddjam]

Yeah it was the anti-raygun call. Dam I'm so sad he started calling in less after that call, especially when the bulk of the audience was completely on his side. But he's made a couple of calls lately and I'm hopeful that means he'll do so more often

[@cinnaren6223]

@@oddjam what happened with raygun?

[@slavajuri]

This caller just made me sad. Such misplaced emotion. I hope he finds some better ways of dealing with it.

[@jascu4251]

True, though at the same time I think its also sort of incumbent on us to an extent to try and work out better ways of dealing with people who are guided by this kind of rage. While its unlikely this particular guy is someone who believes in voting, a lot do

[@Sloimer]

Who are you to judge? Shut up.

[@analcommando1124]

At the 10 min mark he mentions his recent "political awakening" and "radicalization". You can tell this guy has recently fallen deep and hard into the rabbit hole.

[@artur9712]

@Illhan Omar's Brother They are liberals who support the Democrat party. it comes with the territory. From Azov to the EU they support fascists abroad in every instance just the same as they do domestically. Why are we even surprised about this. Liberals have taken over the US and are the modern day fascists

[@greenhammer3263]

Why misplaced? Isnt there genuine concern that USA would force this into a nuclear war as they ratchet up the funding and lethal weaponry???

[@nicktrue7915]

This caller is lucky that Sam was there. He is very patient. Matt isn’t as patient.

[@DUDEBroHey]

He's lucky someone could push for more war in a calm way. Please enlist in the army.

[@kaIIie]

Imagine, invoking the name of Michael Brooks, and then not making a single point. Wow, just wow if men will have anything it certainly is the audacity. (and a meandering point)

[@car7412]

Someone just learned the word "hegemony". Even though they can't use correctly in a consistent basis.

[@oddjam]

This is what they've done with "imperialism" too. Currently I think they're trying to co-opt decentralization as well.

[@thebeigesheep6132]

I'm begging folks to stop trying to sound smart. It only makes you sound dumb

[@bmill05]

Maybe one day he'll even pronounce it correctly!

[@wraithfivekay7082]

Got ourselves a Grey Zone viewer here.

[@greenhammer3263]

Love the grey zone. Great info

[@invisiblek5783]

There's no reason to yell, MR peeps let you talk if you keep some chill.

[@Weeping_Somnambulist]

Yep, even when your argument is in bad faith and you're acting like a total asshole. They let these guys just bury themselves. He didn't call in to have a real conversation but they let him go on anyway. It was always going to end this way 😂

[@jonash154]

Good response, guys. This issue is becoming something of a litmus test for someone's basic principles. I'm pretty sure Michael would have shown solidarity with Ukraine.

[@warmlycalculated390]

Of course. I don't think he'd have supported a continued supply of these weapons packages without any negotiation conditions, though. In fact, I think he would've been staunchly opposed.

[@TheRealAb216]

​@@warmlycalculated390 and what conditions would you put on weapons and aid? Give up trying to get any of your land back and let Russia keep what they have taken?

[@warmlycalculated390]

@@TheRealAb216 Serious negotiations. Personally, I'd like to see OSCE-administered referenda for all Ukrainian territory currently held by Russia, including Crimea which had a poorly illuminated referendum when Russia seized it. That's what Russia gets; what Ukraine gets are security guarantees and a massive influx of defensive weapons to turn the country into a fortress so Russia never decides to expand on their illegal invasion.

[@gotrac8121]

​@@TheRealAb216or... or do more to get rid of your fascist in rank

[@MichaelAronson]

​@@gotrac8121 They did. The Azovs died off last August.

[@jry0511]

The Tankie Debate Toolkit includes: Gaslighting, Projection, Whataboutisms, and Ad Hominems.

[@ericarogers3053]

Hey, everybody! Alabama Man and I are still together! We have taken a nice trip to his home in Bangladesh to try and calm him down a bit. I see he has been frantically posting recently and I am trying to soothe him. It... doesn't seem to be working too well as all his excessive posts over the next few days will continue to show.

[@loliejean]

Dore knob 🚨

[@brianb8489]

Yep low I.Q. Jimmy

[@aaronfawcett9911]

Fuck there are a lpt of people trying to use "Michael Brooks would agree with me not you" against TMR lately and it would be hilarious if it wasn't so fucking deplorable.

[@bccsivxx-xxivvii]

9:25 Matt goes off on that mfer, very nice.

[@dexterstlabs]

What you’re watching is a live portrayal of a young Caucasian male with a Histrionic Personality (HPD) engaged in a manic episode. Per Melanie Klein, he’s utilizing contempt to gain control of emotions and seeking triumph over his narcissistic injury. The breathy voice and the disorganized thoughts are the key indicators in this manic episode. Left untreated, manic episodes escalate to panic attacks.

[@jamesmcmillan2656]

A big country invades a small country the big country is always in the wrong

[@ThompsonFlash9999]

I mean, you realize Germany wasn't that big of a country and we invaded the shit out of it once upon a time, right?

[@Spacemongerr]

​@@ThompsonFlash9999 A country can be big in more ways than just geographical size. Also Nazi Germany with its occupied territories was pretty big. But yeah, i agree that of course there are some instances where what OP said isn't true.

[@steik6414]

@@ThompsonFlash9999 After they invaded Czechoslovakia, Poland, France, Belgium... And amusingly, Nazi Germany declared war on the US. The only war the US declared in WW2 was against Japan, the rest was the tripartite pact.

[@letsgobrandon9867]

@@ThompsonFlash9999 He is literally quoting Kamala Harris, genius

[@soulknife20]

​@@letsgobrandon9867 Show me the quote

[@LaylaSpellwind]

That dog in the background didn't sound very happy. Dogs feed off emotions and him getting riled up, which I wager happens a lot with this guy, is pretty bad for the dog. Poor thing. Not only is it's owner stupid, but also a bad owner.

[@spencerpennington07]

The end of this video may be one of my favorite MR moments ever. 😂

[@JackFury]

Has anyone else noticed the increase in "I was a fan of Michael" line a lot of these types are using these days?

[@Weeping_Somnambulist]

Sure have, and every single time it seems like they have some empty-headed criticism that they haven't thought through, but they start off being polite and pretending it's all in good faith. As the conversation progresses and the holes in their logic become exposed, they double down on the talking points they've gotten from Jackson Hinkle, Infrared, Jimmy Dore etc etc and they show their true colors. Then they just gish gallop for the rest of the call. Par for the course with these guys.

[@Jacob-hk6to]

To be honest Michael brooks always had a slightly more complex understanding of current affairs that Sam just doesn’t have. Generally I can always expect what Sam will say on something. Michael brooks made things a bit less confrontational and had deeper discussions on things. Sam is a great interviewer and a really insufferable debater

[@JackFury]

@@Jacob-hk6to not really related to my point

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

I don't mind when people are sincerely remembering him or wishing he was here for something, but I think you're right, disingenuous/defensive/appeal-to-authority type invoking of MB --- putting words in his mouth --- seems to be happening more. I h8 it when callers do it but I've seen it in comments too, not just here but various Left channels/socials & ugh, people need to stop wielding Michael Brooks like he's a tool or weapon or banner when he was an irreplaceable cherished complex person who would've had so much to say about everything that's happened in the world since his passing, & it's impossible to speak for him.

[@TheScotsalan]

The caller seems to have a bit of tankie about him. He feels he has a point to make, but he cant think what it is. I reckon he should stop, empty his mind of all western aide etc to Ukraine, and argue the case to himself that Russia was right or otherwise to invade Ukraine.

[@alabamaman5994]

Nope. Why does Bernie Sanders literally sign the checks that fund the Azov Battalion?

[@MrMAXZ888]

​@@alabamaman5994 Is Azov Battalion the entirety of Ukraine's armed forces, Grayzone fan?

[@TheScotsalan]

@@alabamaman5994 Does this Azov thing even exist now ? Did it ever exist ? Does 'Bama man even exist ?

[@alabamaman5994]

@@MrMAXZ888 No, there's Right Sector aswell.

[@alabamaman5994]

@@TheScotsalan They were literally just in DC in uniform on camera meeting with Bernie Sanders

[@nerium.nerium]

This callers voice and cadence are like nails on a chalkboard. It's like a constant rising musical note that never resolves.

[@Kirby_3275]

The MR crew has gotten a LOT better in their Ukraine coverage thankfully. I was worried in the beginning; not gonna lie.

[@LQQKING4CATFIGHTER]

This guy must get his news directly from RT

[@airwindows]

Unironically, sure. Isn't it obvious that their investment in this sort of thing has been far more effective than their investment in military armament?

[@illogicalslayer9856]

You get your news from US propagandists like CIA funded Kiev Independent or Radio Free Europe and think it is "the voice of Ukrainians" so are you really smarter?

[@analcommando1124]

lol, clown rings in and doesn't know what the Budapest Memorandum is.

[@growupjohnny9374]

This guy is not attached to anything close to reality. How is this guy processing information?

[@scottgodkin781]

It’s not particularly enjoyable listening to some low rent Mate ranting incoherently over everyone trying to talk.

[@Joeyw-2203]

Tucker Carlson fan. He's quoting Russian propaganda, chapter and verse, just like Tucker has been doing for the last year.

[@lets_architecture]

Would you like to know the name of another country the USA supported after it got invaded? The USSR! The 1941-1945 Lend-Lease program, without which the USSR would've collapsed. But hey

[@yzmey42113]

Total nonsense. USSR was producing their own weapons. The Lend lease did help, but without it, USSR would still have won.

[@joc.1353]

* Budapest Memorandum was not in 1993… On December 5, 1994 the leaders of Ukraine, Russia, Britain, and the United States signed a memorandum to provide Ukraine with security assurances in connection with its accession to the NPT as a non-nuclear weapon state.

[@illogicalslayer9856]

In return for neutrality that EuroMaidan i.e., pro west anti russia and vocally so, absolutely went back on. As soon as they aligned with the USA and starting threatening the agreements with the Black Sea port Sevastopol they tore up that condition. The context of that changes the dichotomy to a complicated geo political clusterfuck not just good and evil bullshit you have been fed.

[@Walczyk]

Everyone dunked on this kid LOL

[@Sloimer]

Not really

[@JPH1138]

This phone call is definitely getting played on a Vaush stream.

[@Junebug89]

And Vaush is going to call Sam based

[@StyxTBuferd]

100%. And I'm glad it'll be for the right reasons- MR was on point this time.

[@kennethlatorre5269]

@@StyxTBuferd they are on point all the time.

[@oddjam]

Yep. Hopefully on other people's too.

[@rmpumper]

It's a shame that Vaush never seems to call out Ana on their tankie bullshit. It was because he considered her a friend before, but it's no longer the case after her "birthing person" rant.

[@gscott1233]

That caller sounds suspiciously like Matt Taibbi

[@SaraphDarklaw]

Tucker is the other guess.

[@estoy3300]

a drunk Taibbi

[@OhHeyification]

This dude reminds me a lot of someone that I know. He’s frustrated and thinks he’s got his finger on the pulse and is flailing around about it. If anybody knows this guy, tell him to breath and take a walk. It’s ok. Start from square one. It’s no big deal. We’re all in this together

[@Elementfire0666]

That was a Jimmy Dore level anti-war take lol.

[@Maanebaronen]

Tool for Russia

[@aaronsande]

"My intellectual basis is the US is uniquely bad and therefore everything we do is bad." THEN WHY ARE YOU HERE! Is there someplace better? Name it.

[@mikemonett7071]

That guy's closing sentence said it all! The daily 'Ukraine Updates' on Daily Kos have been discussing this extensively since the invasion began... They call these guys "tankies". As he finally admitted, their belief is, 'If the US supports it, it has to be bad', regardless of every other fact and reality.

[@tadhg82]

The Dialy Kos, you say?

[@triknives]

Yup, knew he was a Tanky right off the bat lol.

[@oddjam]

God I fucking hate Tankies. At least ancaps (who are equally frustrating) don't try to merge themselves into the left like these morons.

[@onomatopoeia162003]

Wonder what Hasan would say to this.

[@davidgriffin9247]

Why are you not addressing the fact that he's calling the ukrainian government "neo-nazis"?

[@ShaithMaster]

The interesting thing about that is that these people obsess over the Azov battalion while completely ignoring the fact that Russia is rife with far right extremists. If Nick Fuentes and his "groypers" support Russian aggression whole heartedly, there's something fucked up there.

[@jktolford8272]

Because he's referring to a *past* Ukrainian govt that *was in fact* neo-Nazi. So they conceded that but correctly pointed out that Russia invaded Ukraine *after* the election of a democratic govt.

[@catherinebrower3560]

​@@ShaithMaster The Azov nazi thing is a really good example of propaganda and you can see it's effect in this conversation. Prop. isn't necessarily about creating a false reality but also to manipulate people's attention. In this example Russia is using propaganda to maintain the war discourse around UA and it's failings and not about RU. The caller is essentially mad that MR frames the conflict in a different way than the caller wants. As for why some lefties end up having similar positions is that RU propaganda plays on the lefts general dislike of the US to plant the seeds of bad ideas.

[@basedtruthpiller7140]

@@ShaithMaster interesting, who is funding Wagner?

[@basedtruthpiller7140]

@@jktolford8272 No, we overthrew their government in 2014.

[@TheLastLineLive]

That guy was such a disrespectful dumb ass for trying to invoke Michael Brooks’ name, hopefully he’s resting peacefully.

[@clpasztor]

Sam… you really need to let people finish their sentences. This guy is obviously slurping up Russian Propaganda but still… you can’t expect people to let you finish if you don’t let them.

[@davidwoznerable6750]

I love how Sam imitates his sound quality at the beginning. That was hilarious. This guy was off the rails!

[@adelajdaszulc2295]

Thanks from Eastern Europe guys!

[@D3leriumX]

He had Sam with Kuwait tho. Haha

[@shafferfs]

how? do you think offering funds is equal to troops on the ground?

[@alekzgavriel-russo7453]

"My basis is that if the US is behind it, if the US is involved in it then its bad" American-exceptionalism summed up in one neat little sentence, it shows just how basic, shallow and lacking-of-nuance and flexibility his perspective is, he's admitting to being dogmatic without even realizing it.

[@mofishin2648]

Can we just let Michael rest? People need to stop with that Bee S.

[@reddymon]

Countries always do what is in their perceived best interests. Looking back historically there are many instances where I think we took actions that were immoral. But the actions always benefited some U.S. interest. The last half of the Vietnam war was waged entirely to avoid the inevitable embarrassing to our leaders defeat. We invented banana republics. How many governments have we helped overthrow? But assuming the actions of this country are always wrong is just as shortsighted as assuming we are always right.

[@artur9712]

Why are Finland joining NATO then? Its not in their interest to provoke Russia like this

[@soulknife20]

​@@artur9712 Because Finland and Russia have a history. One of Russia invading Finland on a semi-regular basis.

[@frapseddatsht]

@@artur9712 Seems to me not joining NATO provokes Russia even more. Just disregarding the entire history of the two countries.

[@oddjam]

​@@artur9712 because you're just wrong. Russia has shown a distinct willingness to invade non NATO countries, and we know from Putin's own words that Finland is on the chopping block. These are facts.

[@warmlycalculated390]

@@oddjam So your response to Russia's disastrously, almost comically inept invasion of a country that could be flattened by a damp rag is "OMG Russia's so scary and powerful, NATO must band together or else we'll all be defeated!" Nonsense. Russia's proven to the world they're a paper tiger that couldn't invade a Denny's. Finland joining NATO is simply a rebuke of Putin, they couldn't possibly be in less danger from that fail-country even if all of Russia got Thanos-snapped to oblivion.

[@TigreModerata]

What i think is crazy is to think these guys would be capable to take any criticism whatsoever. Sam has his ego, and the others imitate by default, sadly never adding anything non trivial to any discussion (be it youth per be it Sam preferring not to be upstaged and selecting colleagues accordingly... Whichever). They move the goalposts and try to make this poor guy defend international politics, while all he was calling in about was the coverage, the discussion of these matters, hardly to apply for the position of minister of defense. But it's an easy way to embarrass the caller, as nobody has an intelligent answer to any of this, so then they can continue to feel extremely superior to anyone daring to comment on their product. And this is still the least shit left outlet i know... Sad state of affairs.

[@henryjumbohead5391]

This guy is the stereotypical western masochist. And it usually leads to nowhere.

[@StarvingAutist]

I don't understand why it's not Ukraine's decision to join NATO. Ostensibly it's an organization to prevent the spread of war, especially between member nations. I don't understand why we should be in fear of Russia's opinion on that considering NATO was formed in opposition to the soviet union. Someone explain in terms other than "but he has nukes, me scared".

[@redolentthought7085]

Russia doesn't believe in international law. Putin and many others in Russia's places of power believe that Russia is essentially an "organism" that should grow as it sees fit. Post WWII, when we decided [mostly] to observe and adhere to borders and new agreed upon laws of "don't invade for territory" etc... Putin has combined several fascistic Russian "thought leaders"' beliefs - from Ivan Ilyin saying that the leader of Russia is the only pure leader in the world and is the only one that is good and right in everything they do; to Gumilyov believing Russia was imbued with 1000yr power from space beams hitting the country (Sept 13th, 1380) as the nebulous "West"'s 1000yr energies were dying down; to Alexandr Dugin, who literally just took Nazi ideology 100% and applied it to Russian talking points and histories... Like... Dude... This moron on the call is worried about a small band of Nazis fighters in Ukraine while not knowing at all that Russia's ideology is fueled by a full-on Russian simp (Dugin) who has Putin's ear (while also constantly yelling Putin that Ilyin was a moron, so listen to him only!) [Ilyin died in the 50s in exile I believe...] Russia believes they're the only good and only truthful nation while actively using nothing but lies throughout their politics. They have three parties, but they're all run by far right buddies of Putin, to give the appearance of democracy, but it is controlled... Read into Russia's explanations of downing a former Ukrainian president's plane (killing everyone)... Also, Putin believes he is the reincarnation of the first Christian baptized Russian from around 1000AD... His goal has always been to bring Ukraine back into the fold no matter what. He thinks Kyiv is his personal mission.

[@patrickflanagan3762]

NATO is not an organization to prevent the spread of war. It is a military alliance and its sole reason for being is to WAGE war. Secondarily it serves as a means of economic and political colonization of European member nations by the United States.

[@roberttaylor5997]

1. NATO rules say that no country can join if they're involved in an active conflict. Sure, rules can be changed, or overridden. 2. Are you seriously suggesting that the existing members of NATO should have no say over who can join it? So if Russia, China, or Iran announces that they are joining NATO, the current members just have to accept it?

[@roberttaylor5997]

I guess I got hold of the wrong end of the stick. If you're saying Russia should have no veto on Ukraine joining NATO, I agree entirely.

[@StarvingAutist]

@@roberttaylor5997 that is what I'm saying, I'm not saying NATO shouldn't choose member nations, I'm saying the opinions of non NATO nations on the matter should be irrelevant. Member nations can't go to war with each other, there should certainly be stipulations, but I'm all for avoiding wars. I'm going to say now that I do not support the war in Ukraine, what I mean by that is that Russia is the one waging this war, they need to leave. I don't it consider it an act of war to arm Ukraine in their defense, I don't think that being in favor of arming Ukraine during this and being opposed to war are contradicting beliefs. This is not two sides battling over territory, this is one side trying to steal territory from another, it's not against my pacifist beliefs to arm and even allow Ukraine into NATO.

[@kimweaver1252]

You didn't make the nuclear deal with Ukraine clear. Simply put. We agreed to guarantee Ukraine's SOVREIGNTY and security if they returned the nuclear weapons they had acquired during their time as a Soviet Republic back to Russia.

[@JohnHughesChampigny]

And the fun part is that Russia made the same promise. Russia should be attacking itself to defend Ukraine!

[@LePlerome]

lol, how "back" to Russia? the Ukrainian Soviet Republic massively contributed to every Soviet achievement, just like the Russian one; and the current Russian federation didn't exist during the USSR, just like the current Ukrainian state didn't either. so Ukraine was never "given nukes by Russia," it just earned/achieved them by virtue of its participation in the Soviet project. and giving them up, decisively as result of irresponsible US lib/idealist meddling foreign policy, invited the recent Russian invasions.

[@Neofilmcritic]

This guy is a product of your shows ridiculous foreign policy takes. Hold this L