Caller Says Sam Gives RFK "Way Too Much Credit"

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[@justatiger6268]

Sam was deeply offended by the notion that he is defending RFK Jr

[@JeffreyHughes-x3m]

Sam needs to go back to 4 th grade n learn how to use the queens English n not UM UM 500 times a podcast or don’t u notice ????? It’s actually comical to watch all the UMs spelled out you can bet on a over n under on how many times this creep says UM or AH on his feed it’s to dam funny I always take the over n haven’t lost yet !!!!! He never lets me down slaughtering our English language so bad !!!!!! How can people actually listen to this cat n not laugh at this bull crap cat ????? It’s just plain garbage listening but it’s fun as heck on CC n betting on the number of times he UMs n AH AH UM it’s so funny to bet try it n suffer thru Sams bad speaking habits , only the CC knows the exact count n it is way fun n makes it a great thing to wager on !!!!!! Sam gotta go

[@v10ramTony]

The mere thought is offensive.

[@blackeddeath]

​@@JeffreyHughes-x3m Go to bed, you have school tomorrow

[@jaybennet4491]

​@@JeffreyHughes-x3mpeople like you is why we need universal healthcare. A therapist's office is more apt for your mental breakdown than the KZbin comments section 🤷

[@michaelb2363]

It’s his old boss

[@MWhaleK]

I agree with Sam, but also with the caller that Sam gives RFK way to credit for actually being serious about doing anything about it.

[@sumiland6445]

I think that's what makes rfkjr perfect for this misfit fascist regime ... he'll seriously cause harm and it is all on trump and republicans

[@emiiii]

Yes to be fair to the caller, I too got the impression that Sam was giving RFK a bit too much credit. He is a complete nut job 😬

[@Nicbn1]

The point is to get RFK to get in the way of the Trump admin. If he's remotely serious about regulating food and drugs

[@Stupidityindex]

Sam has the perspective of knowing how government works, and like he says, people don't understand what we are headed for; there are thousands of people with resumes ready to replace anyone disloyal.

[@genebailey6777]

They used to be friends lmao, it’s personal for Sam

[@09BiGDylan]

Emma and Sam really gaslighting this person . They did say "you give him too much credit", that does not mean "defending RFK"

[@m.b.d7001]

The caller didn’t say Sam was defending RFK, he said “you guys are giving him too much credit.”

[@Winspur1982]

The caller's point is very good. Yellow dye in Skittles is not killing thousands every year. Extreme heat and other climate disasters are, but of course RFK Jr. refuses to come up with any plan whatsoever for that. His idea of "health" just doesn't go that far. Yes, Sam, there is a lot of garbage food out there but that's really not a primary concern for me right now.

[@rexfordmorgan7552]

live in reality. rfk jr isnt going to be in a position to deal with global warming, but he can impose a regulation internal fight. Too many people on the left act like this is a social club to meet friends and not a fight for control over our lives and a global empire

[@BobGenghisKahn]

I'm with the caller on this one. Banning a food dye is benign, but many RFK's other nutritional conspiracy theories are not. Just as Sam is thinking of using him to push an overall narrative that government regulations can be positive, be aware that we would be used right back in validating the premise of his crackpot theories.

[@BrowithStoryCool]

Yeah because Americans have never been healthier

[@manderly33]

@@BrowithStoryCool Nobody is saying there isn’t a health issue in this country, but RFK Jr has zero public health expertise or experience. Zero. None. To the extent that he has any real knowledge, it’s about environmental law and pollution, not food. Not medicine.

[@BrowithStoryCool]

@@manderly33 he's a charlatan like all the other trump lackeys, but any regulation he passes for food production or pesticides can only be a good thing. And his experience in environmental law is relevant to this end

[@davidm1926]

8:49 - No, the caller did NOT say you were "defending" Kennedy.

[@sandpiperr]

I completely agree with this caller! RFK Jr deserves NO respect. He is not a scientist. He is not a doctor .He is not qualified to be head of HHS, period!

[@theparkinglotcities]

Sam wasn't giving him respect, tho. He's talking strategically.

[@allekatrase3751]

@@theparkinglotcities He's talking strategically in this clip. In a bunch of previous shows Sam has basically said he probably doesn't disagree with RFK getting chemicals out of food. Sam was unfair to the caller given his past statements.

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

​@@allekatrase3751I think with the eye of faith it seems like Sam's intent was to push RFK on his promises, but it did feel like he was falling into the naturalistic fallacy at least at times. The caller bringing this up is fair, but it did take him quite a while to cotton onto this and he never circled back once he realised what Sam was explaining to say "you need to be a bit clearer, what you have been saying doesn't read this way and has potential to cause direct harm even separate from any direct involvement with RFK"

[@ShaunBlacksmith-z3y]

If RFK passes meaningful regulation that's actually healthy for people then that's good . That's all Sam said , but at the same time he also said that RFK would bring back measles and polio cause of his antivax stuff and that he is objectively a bad pick , and we could not be worse position for a possible pandemic.

[@allekatrase3751]

@@bosstowndynamics5488 I think that's being too charitable to Sam. Go look at his past statements. He'll talk about his history working with RFK and say you know maybe some of his ideas about getting chemicals out of food aren't so bad, but he's really crazy on the vaccine stuff. I get Sam's strategic point here, but I've never heard him articulate it in a strategic way like this before. That's not the context he's made these statements in before and he came down hard on the caller. And the ideas RFK has about getting chemicals out of food are the same ideas that lead him to wanting to remove fluoride from drinking water. It's all crazy. If he's right about anything being harmful it's purely by accident.

[@nicholasshaw2912]

RFK doesn't deserve any praise. Full stop.

[@wadeanes9832]

Caller is right. Sam has repeated common bits of misinformation & science denial with statements like "Europe bans dyes" when they don't and "get chemicals out food" when food and everything else IS chemicals. They need to have a food scientist on.

[@im-here]

-Tbh it's very specific dyes like Red 40 that are banned because of their side effects.- But yeah sam seems to be uninformed on this topic generally

[@wadeanes9832]

@im-here Red Dye 40 is known as E129 and not banned. You did the thing. The misinformation

[@im-here]

@@wadeanes9832 thanks for the correction

[@wadeanes9832]

@im-here I think it's a mistake to think the things RFK says about food are any different than what he says about vaccines and viruses...his entire health ideology is based around a rejection of evidence based thinking. He somehow thinks without any training that he knows the testing in these fields are not rigourous enough for him, based on his completely uneducated standard. Everything he says about food is in contrast to the available evidence and scientific consensus. Seed oils are fine. Flouride is good. Food dyes won't give you cancer. The real problems with our food system, to the extent there are any, are obfuscated by these myths.

[@honey-bagder3451]

I assumed he was just inventing hypotheticals for the sake of the larger point he was trying to make.

[@dianad1968]

Sam, you did give RFK Jr credit a few days ago by applauding him about his stance on healthy foods...why didn't he warn his new boss about eating junk food like McDonalds?

[@DUDEBroHey]

He did warn his new boss about McDonald's. Just because your wife, mom, boss etc gives you a warning doesn't mean you listen to it.

[@gfys756]

Lol if you think RFK can get Trump to stop eating McDonalds, I've got a bridge to sell you. 😂

[@jackjackthompson5771]

Sam sometimes is too harsh on the callers. They were saying that some of the so called scientific points against healthcare standards are even quite shaky. The caller wasn’t pitching a multi pronged political strategy, aimed at wedge issues using broader online media mirroring techniques 😂….chill!

[@Alex-ip8uk]

Sam is always too harsh on callers, and even his cohosts. I like Sam's politics but unfortunately, he's an asshole.

[@bengreen171]

The caller was not clear in their opening statement.

[@Dontdoit_]

@@bengreen171this is what led to it all. Some times people don’t know how to approach a conversation

[@bengreen171]

@@Dontdoit_ yeah. it's become too frequent that people talk in 'headlines' and slogans that do not accurately communicate what they're trying to say. I suspect this is partly thanks to how social media has changed the landscape of how we talk to each other.

[@MDogme]

@@bengreen171 Extra! extra!: Bengreen171 is "breaking silence".

[@chelseastorm3942]

I think the callers point is sam give rfk an air of legitimacy when he talks about food bans he agrees with but rfk doesn't deserve to be conected to good regulations in anyway

[@DrKlausTrophobie]

That's the point and somewhat the tactic of these snake oil salesmen. They hook you with some sensible criticism, but line and sinker are made out of pseudo science and conspiracy theory.

[@NoFlexZoner]

Dude Sam was being a total tool. Uses the typical lib "fash" shield and has no arguments. Literally what a ball-less fuck, making incoherent arguments incapable of listening to anybody else.

[@Aryasvitkona]

Yeah, I think the caller is criticising Sam assuming RFK is operating in good faith. And while I think normally that would be appropriate, and good for Sam to do, I think RFK doesn't deserve the good faith. The man is a disgusting sexual predator, plausibly responsible for 80 cases of negligent homicide, and ate McDonald's on Trump's plane because he's not ideologically consistent with his claims that it is LITERALLY POISON. He's clearly not buying his own bullshit, so I don't see why anyone should pretend he does. It's like the difference between a normal transphobic republican and Tucker Carlson. The former likely buys their bullshit but Tucker KNOWS he's lying and no one should pretend he doesn't.

[@coryneff7048]

agreed, I think he just heard "you give RFK too much credit" and that put him on the defensive

[@rexfordmorgan7552]

the caller fundamentally doesn’t understand the strategy of no better options. Sam is not saying anything good will happen, he is saying maybe we can get lucky with them infighting. This kid sounds like they know two factoids and got immediately scared when pushed back in the slightest on their weak ass point.

[@HarryButtsworth]

This was a great call overall. It's important we all start talking about what we do next in the face of fascism.

[@donaldotrumpo828]

Fascism 🥴😂😂🤣

[@H0VA]

@@donaldotrumpo828 Lol i love coming to Sam Seder's channel after the election and all the delusional democrats who actually thought a dictator won.

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

@@synchronium24 That's an insult to people with developmental + intellectual disabilities. The people I know who have those disabilities have too much compassion + self-respect to like Trump.

[@NoFlexZoner]

Dude Sam was being a total tool. Uses the typical lib "fash" shield and has no arguments. Literally what a ball-less fuck, making incoherent arguments incapable of listening to anybody else.

[@SSEAPKC]

@@NoFlexZonerbuddy we see you copy and pasting the same comment over and over again. It’s weird 😂

[@thatadamwhitley]

I agree with the caller for the most part. The US is #3 in food safety and we do, in fact, ban more food dyes than the EU. The narrative that the US food system is universally garbage is really annoying. Having said that, Sam is also correct that driving that wedge between factions of the Trump camp is probably more important than keeping some food dye. Also, creating animus between large corporations and the administration would go a long way to gum up the works.

[@Gradsteranimations]

Sam was Lowkey making RFK sound better by making the conversion about food safety, if the conversation is remotely about food you should still be ragging on RFK relentlessly. He's going to let Trump decrease its funding and that will make our ability to regulate and monitor these things so much worse as our FDA handles approval of a lot of brand new Pharma drugs too which takes ages. The fda simply needs to be bigger and more funded and have some monitoring for lobbying. We are always like 20 or so years behind Europe in our regulation consumer good although Europe is more trigger happy, a lot of these dyes are safe when not consumed in excess and the risk is genuinely negligible but there are colorants like titanium dioxide which can reduce gut biome populations and those are risks that should have to be made clear but you'd be surprised just how many things are carcinogenic or toxic in the right doses on baby mice, doesn't necessarily mean they're even harmful or something you need to ban, education is the way.

[@Gradsteranimations]

speaking in reference to the last video, caller was Lowkey valid but didn't communicate it the best, think they fumbled it cuz they felt rushed.

[@nw42]

​@@Gradsteranimations I think the onus here was on Sam. The caller said "You give RFK too much credit" which Sam immediately twisted into "You say I'm defending RFK!", got defensive, and then refused to engage with the caller's point about things which Sam has _absolutely_ said before. If the shoe was on the other foot, Sam would immediately recognize and call out such disingenuous behavior for what it is. In Sam's defense, the aggressiveness of his response suggests to me that it was somehow reflexive or dysregulated, not calculated. Lord knows it's a stressful time right now. But Sam was in the wrong here, and drove the call straight into a ditch.

[@caj1gavidg]

lol this was me who called. I realize I'm not the best orator and I never got my point across, but basically, what I was trying to explain was that accepting RFK Jr's framing that American foods, cosmetics, and toiletries are "undoubtedly full of fillers and chemicals" (Sam's words btw!) and that they are harming our health isn't even helpful from the perspective of trying to get people to understand that regulation is good because the claims being made are false, and that those lies he spreads in it of themselves reduce faith in our institutions and undermine that very notion. Like I mentioned in this clip, the US actually has banned some of the food dyes that are available in the EU due to concerns that they can cause cancer (E142, E104, E123 and E160e to name a few) and that many of the food dyes in use in America (which are also used in EU under different regulatory names) are actually more heavily restricted in terms of dose in comparison to the EU. Not to mention other health scare myths out there, such as organic being better than conventional produce (organic also uses chemical pesticides, and they are actually worse for the environment than glyphosate and other conventional pesticides), high fructose corn syrup ("high fructose" is a misnomer, literally the same amount of sugar per gram as table sugar), talc in cosmetics (meta analysis done on 200,000+ women that concluded that talc based baby powder use in the groin did not increase the risk of cancer, FDA has also tested talc saying there's no asbestos to be found in talc products) and a whole host of other things. Are there problems with the FDA? Yes (like supplement regulation, we need more of it!) but nothing RFK is pointing out actually is the problem. This fear-mongering has laid the ground work for banning safe ingredients, while simultaneously massively deregulating industries and actually putting people's health at risk and I don't think, as leftists, we can afford to be wrong about this and buy into pseudoscience from a "regulatory perspective" or in hopes of some strange infighting when, like I said, RFK fits in neatly along with their goals of destroying the administrative state; I just don't think this creates a wedge issue at all. Also like I mentioned, it would be helpful to have someone like Dr. Andrea Love, an immunologist and microbiologist who has been screaming from the rooftops about RFK Jr for years to dispel stuff further. As someone who would be directly affected by his policies, as I take Medicaid, it genuinely scares me to see someone like him (and Mehmet Oz) head these agencies. I worry about losing health care for me and my family if somehow this continues to lays the ground work for an ACA repeal, in whatever manner possible. TL,DL: RFK is completely wrong and fear-mongers about food and agriculture with pseudoscience and buying into his framing is actively harmful and counterintuitive to the goals that we want to achieve as leftists. Our regulatory agencies work okay as they are now, and you shouldn't trust someone who pretends that there's a problem with them using dubious claims (when there actually isn't a problem) and then say that they have a "solution" for it. Do we have health issues in the US? Yes, but they don't come from any of the "problems" he's pointing out. Nothing he says should be trusted. Also, PS: I'm not a woman or a trans person LOL

[@caj1gavidg]

also sorry for essay posting LOL

[@thenoodledrop]

You did a great job. I don’t care if RFK has some “good ideas,” we should not giving him any air of legitimacy. Im sorry Sam went so hard on you, especially putting words in your mouth that you were claiming he was defending RFK (you were very clear from the beginning that you believed he was giving RFK too much credit). You made the best points you could given the situation, and I wish Sam could’ve heard you out and given you a better opportunity to clarify. But this was just hard to watch. However, a very important and point to make, so I’m glad you called in ❤

[@caj1gavidg]

@@thenoodledrop thank you for the kind words ❤

[@donaldotrumpo828]

Doesn’t matter what you think. Either leave or get ready for healthier food 😂🤣🖕

[@NotoriousLightning]

I don't believe for a single second that you were the one.

[@OnsenDreamscapes]

sam was being too mean and he's also just coping.

[@Mrster]

Come on, guys. Caller said he's getting too much credit, not that you are defending him. I don't see Sam go reactionary like this often so that's why it probably sticks out more.

[@gaeron1305]

The callers mad sams said something positive about RFK

[@thebeigesheep6132]

Reactionary how?

[@Mrster]

@@thebeigesheep6132 Instantly heated, not picking up what the caller kept trying to say.

[@gustavlarsson7494]

Perpetuating chemophobia is never helpful. That's the callers point.

[@BrowithStoryCool]

@@gustavlarsson7494 chemohobia? The amount of corporate brown nosing is astounding. Try turning down your logicphobia and regulationphobia. Also, pretty sure half the people here supporting yellow dye #24 panic over saturated fats

[@gustavlarsson7494]

@BrowithStoryCool Cringe.

[@sonicblackhole3559]

RFK’s plan to ban pesticides and fertilizers could result in an agricultural collapse Sri Lanka style

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

Yeah, that's terrifying. It happened so quickly in Sri Lanka.

[@corysgood881]

Its destroying the soil and causing cancer so it will collapse if we continue with the status quo.

[@michaelb2363]

He never said to ban fertilizers lol

[@nickstalking4501]

Or mao in China going after the birds

[@D3ADBOY]

How about just banning Monsanto. Wouldn't that be nice?

[@bradenculver7457]

I understand where Sam was coming from, but he came off WAY too hostile to the callers pushing back on having any reasonable faith in rfk having any beneficial effect. His policies are based on vibes. Not evidence. He rails against seed oils and other things he’s scared off. Let the caller speak. Don’t interrupt him because you feel indignant at the suggestion you may be “giving rfk credit”. We need actual experts in these positions, not nuts like rfk, and looking for potential benefits from these morons. Rfk’s policy, by far, HAVE NO EVIDENCE behind them. Hoping he may vibe his way into having even vague beneficial effects is frankly absurd. I get it, rfk likely will get through, but we need to criticize the shit out of him for his utter bullshit he can barely get out in a coherent sentence.

[@v10ramTony]

These offices are staffed by people who do practically all the work, including bringing the new Boss up to speed on the regular. Come on.

[@lreyla]

It's not about Sam being offended it's that fascism is here period. Telling them they're wrong will only make them double down. Focusing on their contradictions will slow down their machine and mean lives.

[@DUDEBroHey]

The evidence is you and those in your life. How healthy are you? How many medications do you take and those close to you?

[@NoFlexZoner]

Dude Sam was being a total tool. Uses the typical lib "fash" shield and has no arguments. Literally what a ball-less fuck, making incoherent arguments incapable of listening to anybody else.

[@Winspur1982]

Yes! RFK has an obsession with ritual purity and way too many white men are calling it "scientifically backed" or some such bullcrap. Read the books of Leviticus, Deuteronomy and Numbers and you will see EXACTLY what RFK really believes in. Don't give me this bullshit about him being an environmental lawyer 55 years ago. Plenty of MAGAtards in Congress are lawyers and you cannot trust a single word that comes out of their mouths.

[@rexsmith9074]

I understand the caller's point. I think even Sam did. I get that Sam is basically both sides against the middle, play them against themselves because they're in power. But the caller's point is just as legitimate. Resist, resist, resist. Also RFK Jr. is legit crazy. He's also already shown he has no allegiance to any of his so-called anti-fast food, anti-seed oil beliefs since Trump has him scraving down Quarter Pounders with cheese on the plane. So much for clean food.

[@POWPOW-rn5uq]

He doesn't get it. She is also criticizing his weird "infighting" friction conspiracy that absolutely isn't going to happen. Rfk Jr is just going to bend thr knee on anything controversial.

[@theparkinglotcities]

I don't think the show has ever said anything to the contrary of resisting or denied that RFK jr was legit crazy. The caller seemed to think they were saying some good might come from RFK's policies, or whatever. All they were saying is friction with Trump would be good, as it might slow down their ability to fuck things up. Nobody's denying that RFK Jr is dangerous.

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

​@@POWPOW-rn5uqIt's not a conspiracy, Sam made it clear that RFK bending the knee is likely even if not guaranteed, but pointed out that it might swing public opinion of him to see him bend the knee and holding up his claimed policies against his actual actions is part of that accountability

[@rennidenni7792]

@@POWPOW-rn5uq I think the point is that even if he bends the knee, you can point out to his fans that he lied to them and then create friction between the supporters and the party and the different groups of supporters. Creating friction anywhere is still something.

[@clarkkent8765]

@@theparkinglotcitiesbecause it’s TRUE, if we get similar food policies to the European Union because of the Trump administration that’s a GOOD thing. Regardless of whether you like him or not.

[@tylerhackner9731]

Should never give that weirdo credit

[@NoFlexZoner]

Dude Sam was being a total tool. Uses the typical lib "fash" shield and has no arguments. Literally what a ball-less fuck, making incoherent arguments incapable of listening to anybody else.

[@Alex-ip8uk]

Sam was triggered. Caller was right, sam is being naive in thinking RFK will set positive precedents for food safety. Caller never said "defending," they said youre giving rfk too much credit, which remained true throughout Sam's combative response here.

[@ravenswood118]

Okay caller

[@GreyGiger]

​@@ravenswood118 Okay Sam

[@NoFlexZoner]

We need a way to make Sam face consequences for his murderous and inhumane rhetoric... This is literal terrorism and enabling fascism

[@Alex-ip8uk]

​@@NoFlexZonerFinally, someone gets it!

[@Redstapleryadayada37]

Woah, valid points on both sides folks. Yes, we should encourage Republican in fighting (Sam’s point). But also yes, RFK is disastrous (caller’s point).

[@donalvarez4006]

If anyone could use some regulation here, it’s Sam. This could have genuinely been a very interesting conversation had he not interrupted the caller every time they tried to get a word in. SMH

[@tribone]

Literally the first result for food dyes in EU vs US says that EU bans far more than US. The EU is way stricter on what you can put in foods and we should definitely be regulating these industries.

[@NickRamone0]

Thank you. Yeah caller claiming we dont have concrete evidence that dye is bad is ridiculous.

[@Armateras]

@@NickRamone0 I've looked for studies to back up the claims that these dyes cause ADHD or whatever and can't find anything solid, and I don't think "because the EU does it" is a scientifically sound argument.

[@DUDEBroHey]

Ya but now the Dems are doing what the republicans have done when they're out of power. They're simply being contrarians even at the sake of their own health.

[@NoFlexZoner]

Dude Sam was being a total tool. Uses the typical lib "fash" shield and has no arguments. Literally what a ball-less fuck, making incoherent arguments incapable of listening to anybody else.

[@mr.anderson1979]

​@@NoFlexZoneryou are mentally ill spamming this everywhere in the comments

[@Robert_Bob_Bobrob]

Oh Sam, you're not using him. You're wishcasting again, giving flashbacks to the Harris campaign!

[@NoFlexZoner]

We need a way to make Sam face consequences for his murderous and inhumane rhetoric... This is literal terrorism and enabling fascism

[@Max-mm1sl]

I am from Australia and find USA politics fascinating. This call is an example of both sides dishonesty and bias. The caller clearly said they are giving RFK too much credit and reiterated that point several times. The hosts kept changing his statement to defending RFK. He made one distinct point about nutritional science and got an unhinged and dishonest response.

[@glupik1234]

the us have a moral authority problem on every side

[@NoFlexZoner]

Dude Sam was being a total tool. Uses the typical lib "fash" shield and has no arguments. Literally what a ball-less fuck, making incoherent arguments incapable of listening to anybody else.

[@stvinney]

I agree with the caller Sam surprisingly showed his bias when he was talking about his sort of personal relationship with the man Almost everyone who's lost their minds started off in a better place This guy was/is clearly for sale

[@ShaneLam-l6w]

I agree with trying to cause a rift between RFK & Trump, but instead of saying "RFK is full of shit & don't believe any of what he's espousing but we're gonna hold him to it", Sam was saying "I agree with some of his ideas", that's what the caller means with "giving him too much credit".

[@julianmcmillan2867]

But that is giving too much credit. If a conspiracy nut says the Jews are responsible for everything bad but they also agree that corporate corruption of government is a problem, you're not going to stick with them on the latter. Why? Because you KNOW their idea of corporate corruption is simply Jewry, right? Which means they are going to look at corporate corruption with an antisemitic lense. The same applies with RFK Jr. and some of the ideas he has about the unhealthy additives being put in our food. Right, it's not specific additives that have data on them proving they are unhealthy. It's a broad strokes kind of thing. It's an ideological stance against artificially adjusting what food sources can give to us. "We're gonna get the chemicals out of our food". Okay, RFK, which chemicals? Salt? Preservatives? The food itself? Why are you not specifying what it is that is actually bad and then talking about that? Couple that with the fact that RFK wants to get rid of pesticides, you know that he isn't looking at specific studies in food stuffs where there are harmful substances. He is doing a broad strokes thing. He is doing the corporate Jewry thing. So yeah, he is getting too much credit. Because what RFK means by unhealthy additives or production processes and what Sam means are likely two different things. This is that old 'we agree there's a problem, but we fundamentally disagree on the solution, but I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt anyways because at least we agree there's a problem" type of thing.

[@thenoodledrop]

Wow, this is probably the most bad faith I’ve ever seen Sam be to a caller. The caller is 100% in the right, and I feel so bad for her for how unhinged Sam was. I think that viewing RFKs plans “strategically” is missing the cart for the horses. RFK is engaging classic right wing populism by mentioning real problems to seem reasonable and sensible, but only as a means to run cover for the his less reputable ideas which will have far greater, but negative, consequences. Like I’m sorry, but after this call, Sam proved the callers point wholesale. I don’t think we should expect anything good from an unqualified conspiracy theorist running our Department of Health and Human Services. Especially one whose anti-vaccine conspiracies directly lead to the 83 deaths children from Measles. Also, how can you argue that RFK can be proof that the government can still regulate industry when he wants to cut funding, purge staff for cronies that align with his views, and clear out entire departments at the FDA. Like maybe we shouldn’t be taking RFKs little propaganda videos at face value??? Okay rant over.

[@brandonjamar]

yeah sam is usually way better than this

[@Redstapleryadayada37]

@@brandonjamareveryone has a bad day, right? I think RFK sucks. Anti-vaccine campaigns are dumb AF!

[@skunkjobb]

Sam, can't you let your guest finish one sentence without interuping him?

[@wellivea1]

The caller is absolutely right that specifically with food additives, US regulations are quite strict and science-based and anyone claiming that they are loose is misinformed. The EU model is far more politicized, and influenced by people like RFK. They ban things for little rhyme or reason (and let tons of additives through with no studies testing their safety), and sometimes by pure luck get one we don't but carrageenan is not causing our obesity crisis, subsidized grains, lack of sugar taxes, etc, no national health insurance, low density non-walkable urban "planning", etc are to blame there, not FDA regulations. Sam is also right that none of this matters for the left, the only lever we really have is pointing out when the things RFK said would happen do not happen.

[@michaelb2363]

Lolololol where do you get your info

[@wellivea1]

@@michaelb2363 Are you going to refute it or just imply that I didn't do my research while saying nothing yourself.

[@wellivea1]

@@michaelb2363 The delaney clause is a major example where things are more strict than in the EU (many of the chemicals the caller was referring to are likely banned in the US under this). And FDA generally does not ban additives based on one attention-seeking poorly done paper picked up in a tabloid, but EU regulators definitely do. Is that being more accountable/democratic? Perhaps.

[@DUDEBroHey]

If the US food regulations were working we wouldn't have quite as many big pharma ads as we have in the US. If US food regulations were working then we wouldn't have needed all those COVID policies because our immune systems would have been strong enough to have a novel virus.

[@ZarlanTheGreen]

Any and all sources, confirm that you're full of shit, and talking out of your arse.

[@croissant4131]

Caller is right about that

[@RonanGallagherBand]

She didn't say you were defending RFK. She said you gave him too much credit. There's a difference. And the EU is much more stringent than US regulators because we don't have such blatant corruption via lobbyists.

[@fitzdigital7534]

"Giving too much credit" is an idiomatic expression that maybe not everyone is familiar with? It doesn't mean "boosting" necessarily, it can be meant ironically. The way she said it, I read it immediately as her saying he's even worse than an already negative portrayal. And I agree with them -- I think a lot of very smart folks make the same mistake with RFK that a lot of very smart folks make with Trump -- he's not a true believer in anything that he says. He is, like Trump, performing down to our expectations, and being rewarded by rejection, which he then takes to his followers and says look, they hate me because I'm good. He's not going to do what Sam wants him to do because he's not there to do what he says he's there to do. I think that's what the caller is trying to say by "giving him too much credit". And I do think that people like Trump and RFK ride on a certain dimension of face-value-taking that any one of us can accidentally grant. It's like maybe an empathy loophole in the human heart-mind industrial complex, I don't know. Because listen, demagoguing public health in order to make public health worse to demagogue public health is some extremely dismal shit, and that's basically what I'm saying we're looking at here.

[@v10ramTony]

If you hadn't insisted they are 'very smart folks' I'd completely agree.

[@DUDEBroHey]

I thought that was a dude which would say the caller isn't all that healthy.

[@bobbyevans8136]

Sam Sam Sam. Don't go down the libertarian rabbit hole of "chemicals in our food". Having skittles here and there isn't going to kill you.

[@thebigdork8030]

I do think you're giving him too much credit in the sense that there's no way he's going to legislate out seed oils and dyes in the "deregulation good, give us money" admin.

[@thebigdork8030]

Admittedly, if he does keep pushing he might gum up the works a bit, i like that.

[@lopamurblamo]

Trump will just fire him the second he starts gumming up the works. This will be a loyalist admin and RFK will get in line or lose the job, guaranteed.

[@crimsonheather]

No because this caller is 💯. Sam you need to have some actual food scientists on your show.

[@QYeverytime]

"Food scientists" are the people who make Americans so addicted to Doritos that they have to go on Wegovy. Food scientists literally created the metabolic disease epidemic. "Food science" is an unnecessary dark art. Read some fucking Michael Pollan from 2005. This is not a controversial statement if you spend any time around public health professionals.

[@harrywan2604]

you are a food scientist stating that the additives in our food are healthy? That is odd because studies on EDC's actually prove not only are they harmful, they are in 10/10 of foods that are not organic. These are US studies...As a food scientist do you have a special USA food science degree as most of these additives are banned in other countries? You are a food scientist that is encouraging that RFK is wrong and he should not be given credit... How do you explain mens sperm count dropping 1% every year since 1950? Men on average being 50% less-fertile cannot be explained by endocrine disruptors altering the hormonal balance in humans? How do you know that as more studies are encouraging that to be true. How about micro plastics? You know the material most food is packaged in, do food Scientists believe the chemicals in the plastic touching your fresh meat and veggies do not cause any harm? So the link to testosterone balance in men is just naturally declining and endocrine disorders and fertility disorders were what never diagnosed before? We are to accept that the "average human digests about one credit card of plastic everyday" and not ask questions? Even when microplastics we are eating are found in our organs and even our placenta when we have a baby? All food scientists ignoring the amount of WELL STUDIED AND KNOWN poisons in our food, even natural food is not a real scientist they are a corporate puppet.

[@josemoreno8651]

If you're not a good scientist yourself, hypothetically how would you know he's right or wrong?

[@ravenswood118]

As someone who has experience living in both Europe and the states, I will never understand why you guys insist on defending your crappy food system. You even grow wheat differently, which is responsible for all the gluten issues (that many people find they don't have when they go to Italy and eat pasta. I have heard this from Americans time and time again). Why not just like, I dunno, do things better? American food is atrocious, you really have to go out of your way to find things that appear even remotely natural. But hey, I grew up eating berries I picked in a forest in a European countryside lol. You guys think everything you're eating looks natural because you've never known everything different. One of my friends who visited the states for the first time and went grocery shopping with me started laughing at the ridiculous size of all the fruit. And she's right! Everything is bigger, yet has less flavor. How did food in America get this way? Profit. You started engineering your food to be cheaper and faster to grow due to less regulation. And this is controversial to LEFTISTS? None of us should be okay with this. It really upsets me that there is no nuance in this conversation. You either accept everything RFK says, or none of it. And that's just not helpful. His takes on vaccines, fluoride, AIDS? Atrocious. Him pointing out the American food system sucks, or that pharmaceuticals shouldn't be advertised? Accurate. Europeans look at the things you guys eat, and how you grow your food, and gag. They also gasp when they find out we have commercials for pharmaceutical drugs. What kind of system is this? It's incredibly corrupt, and it's weird you all defend it, given the side of the political spectrum you're on. And btw, fluoridation of the water is something I give America a lot of credit for because my country of birth doesn't do that & people have a lot of tooth decay. See? Nuance.

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

@@ravenswood118 I didn't realize Europe appointed you spokesperson for all of Europe. Do you have a title you want us to use or are you finished being pointlessly mean to Americans yet? BTW before you come for me I'm in a major agricultural area of Canada. I did not appreciate seeing you try to bully other people while citing anec-data in your first paragraph. Get off your high horse.

[@matthewogorman7291]

I don't think Republicans care if he fails getting pharmaceutical ads off the air.

[@YensR]

It's a shame when a caller has an interesting point but they pitch it slightly wrong or poorly and Sam thinks the call is about having discussion "A" when it's really about "C", but he can't take a step back to see that discussing "C" is worthwhile, even if it has nothing really to do with "A". Happens quite a bit.

[@NoFlexZoner]

We need a way to make Sam face consequences for his murderous and inhumane rhetoric... This is literal terrorism and enabling fascism

[@danmoscaritolo3369]

The caller said we don’t have data showing that food additives and pesticides are harmful, which is absurd. I thought Sam should’ve been harsher, he even entertained the idea that yellow dyes are good for our health. Why is everyone so damn sensitive

[@YensR]

@@danmoscaritolo3369 it's a bit more complicated than that, but maybe you are too sensitive to listen ;)

[@qilangomedia]

Fake news. We have skittles in Europe.

[@StevieFromThree]

We have the secret kind over here tho.

[@michaelb2363]

What dyes are in them ?

[@qilangomedia]

@michaelb2363 E170, E162, E331(iii), E296, E163, E100, E133, E330, E132, E160a, E903

[@NoFlexZoner]

We need a way to make Sam face consequences for his murderous and inhumane rhetoric... This is literal terrorism and enabling fascism

[@wadeanes9832]

​@@michaelb2363the same ones named different

[@lochieb3640]

Sam you really gotta let the caller speak and stop trying to cover your bases all the time, please.

[@josev.1930]

For real, just slow down buddy

[@LazyEyePolitics]

I also did NOT appreciate Sam's closeness and good faith he gave RFK.

[@mikideebank3592]

For goodness sake Sam, enough with the spluttering and interruptions. At least let the guy speak first whatever you may think of his opinion!

[@nk47100]

I think it was a female

[@eancurtis9333]

Calling in to protect yellow dye from disinformation

[@NoFlexZoner]

Dude Sam was being a total tool. Uses the typical lib "fash" shield and has no arguments. Literally what a ball-less fuck, making incoherent arguments incapable of listening to anybody else.

[@NoFlexZoner]

We need a way to make Sam face consequences for his murderous and inhumane rhetoric... This is literal terrorism and enabling fascism

[@rintakumpu]

Rising tide of fascism will be very good at regulating stuff. It just won't be food additives.

[@triknives]

This caller is a prime example of why we lost lol.

[@notimportant7682]

I feel that the consequentialism first and truth second approach when supporting regulation whether it is good or useless-even if its in our favor in the long run-is not putting our best, left-most foot forward. The fight for correcting MSG misinformation has been an unsuccessful 50 year effort. Capitulation to other dietary misinfo seems ill advised, tin foil hat regulation doesn't need to be called good policy for it to be over all beneficial for left narratives. I mean if truth was not our objective we'd be urging RFK to push for banning MSG, there would be riots in the streets the moment chips started tasting objectively worse.

[@Teemie123]

You can pry my Kewpie Mayo from my cold, dead, hands

[@jwaterdriver]

You have Mike tiny Johnson telling the press we are going to use the regulatory burden on companies so that they can do more for the people and then you have Trump when he's bragging about RFK Jr saying that we're going to make America healthy again through regulation. Just give them a place where they can argue their opposite points together in public

[@murphy804]

Don't be a weiner, Sam! It's a shame the other hosts don't have a "mute Sam" button when he talks over them.

[@m.b.d7001]

Wow Sam! Let him talk please

[@dirtyenergywar7029]

How is he gonna regulate in a party who has a fundamental agenda of deregulation?

[@Aryasvitkona]

The first 30 seconds are such a roller coaster. Caller says they disagree with how they've been talking about RFK and you can tell they're getting ready for the caller to defend him. You can see Sam shaking off the absolute fucking whiplash he got when the caller said he'd been giving RFK too much credit

[@Notalloldpeople]

I wish Sam would let the woman explain her concern rather than interrupting all the time. He may learn that she has points to make which would help him.

[@benmalin6408]

Completely agree with Sam on this one. It’s a basic point, if RFK genuinely gets through food regulations it immediately impacts other members of the cabinet that are beholden to deregulation in others. This will disrupt the ability of them coalesce easily on what is their ideology. People will resign if they can’t get X through because of RFK or RFK will resign because he can’t get X through because of cabinet friction. It slows the process of damage for us on the left.

[@user-yr8ge3fz8o]

The issue is that RFK is pairing rhetoric which calls for an expansion of the administrative state (if followed to its logical conclusion--crucially, it is not) with policy that undermines it. We are seeing a truly Orwellian juxtaposition of rhetoric and policy across politics right now, and RFK is one player in this process. The caller has picked up on this and understands how dangerous it is to not recognize the rug-pull that RFK carrying out. Sam is not fully cognizant of this rug-pull. Sam sees the logical inconsistency between RFK's rhetoric and policy (and the broader republican antagonism to regulation) and he see's a "crack." It is not a crack. It is a fully intentional strategy that allows them to co-opt potential political energy against deregulation and redirect it towards regulation, which is made fully possible because most voters do not actually look at or think about the policy agendas of politicians.

[@ComradeCatpurrnicus]

I agree with Sams approach that there isn't much we can do, so holding RFK and Trump to their promises (the ones that aren't regressive) is something we can do despite the horrible situation, but I also agree with what I think the callers general sentiment is, that we can't come off as optimistic about RFK accomplishing any good stuff, because it either won't go through, or it's going to be attached to a whole bunch of stuff that definitely outweighs any benefits.

[@alexjordan3636]

Caller was right and it triggered Sam

[@hiimbonsai]

Watching this live was hilarious. Thanks for the content, dear caller.

[@davidowens2067]

Agree with the caller. Sam needs to let it go.

[@verysurvival]

Caller made sense,I’d like to hear more from him

[@evanstein3011]

This caller sounded like an LQTGBIA member. Such an unfounded criticism of Sam's legit points about harm reduction with RFK. RFK might do a few good things, but perhaps importantly, he might throw a wrench into corporate interests and cause chaos in the Trump coalition. Sam is exactly right.

[@vadimserebryany]

What’s the point of taking calls if you’re just going to talk over the caller?

[@w0ody16]

Glad the caller realized they misunderstood Sam's angle on RFK Jr. If he is allowed to implement any noticeable regulations we know many will be harmful. Any decent ones will be tiny because anything noticeable would disrupt the comfort of benefitting capitalists and Trump won't stand for it. ***Also, having various food/health experts to talk about RFK and his goals in our new situation would be welcome

[@The_Rutabaga]

I don’t know how people are getting the wrong idea about Sam’s position. They just did a whole segment about how RFK has and will continue to cave to Trump and his ilk. Sam’s whole point was just him saying he hopes RFK helps set the precedent that the government can regulate, and that people within the government can disagree with Trump and push their own agendas that might clash with his.

[@ericdunbar6230]

People act like any of this matters with the upcoming recession.

[@bingbong3084]

We are now in a moment where people will start defending the crap in US food because they dont like RFK 💀

[@bingbong3084]

eating poison to own the MAGA

[@stellarscrubj]

Agree there will probably be some of this, but they will be correct for the wrong reasons. The anti-additive movement is also a fear-mongering grift. The FDA actually does a decent job and is constantly willing to adjust with new data.

[@bradenculver7457]

The issue is rfk’s fears by and large NOT EVIDENCED BASED. His railing against seed oils is nonsense. The caller had actual valid concerns that I feel are not being properly addressed, and your comment dismisses it as “defending the crap in U.S. food”. I’d much rather have the food availability and regulation we do today versus in 1912. I really felt like Sam completely dismissed the actual concerns of the caller in this segment.

[@claudiaj2138]

Exactly. It’s ridiculous. FDA notoriously allows anything to be put into food until it’s proven to be harmful instead of first proving it’s SAFE

[@stellarscrubj]

@@bradenculver7457 Yup, he changed his argument to “that’s actually not important” because he (correctly) sensed he might lose the debate. Admitting to being misinformed about something is embarrassing and Sam was not in the mood to be embarrassed today!

[@HerrFrankenstein]

Question is whether or not RFK Jr. is the best person to call the shots during the next crisis. For instance, if your child attends a public school and the rules about vaccinations are cast aside for the sake of odd beliefs, is the safety of your child being properly addressed?

[@v10ramTony]

Of course not. Way to go, MAGA. Not that they give a shit.

[@DUDEBroHey]

We do have a crisis in relation to children right now. The open border policy is human trafficking. Over 300k kids have gone missing. Do you care?

[@AV57]

Let's be honest, we always have to root for Mothra.

[@Jvenoia]

I'm just not as optimistic as Sam about RFK's effect on this, he could be correct though

[@honey-bagder3451]

I don't think that Sam is optimistic; I think he is just misguided in tbe notion that people who voted Trump for RFK are in touch with reality and will be willing to acknowledge that they've been dooped when RFK doesn't follow through on a lot of what he is promising. These two were just on totally different pages.

[@cipherhex]

9:50, caller said US bans more additives "compared to the EU"... Do they have any idea?! So wrong it really goes a way to undermine thier points

[@glupik1234]

it is factually true though. the us is ranked 3d in the world for food safety. affordability is another thing, however.

[@matthenley3886]

@@glupik1234Do you have a source/link for that information please.

[@cipherhex]

@@glupik1234 , even if that was true, it's not what the caller said. The quote is that the US *bans* more additives than the EU, which is just absurd, the EU is ban central - 1000s of additives get banned here out an abundance of caution

[@hailsagan8886]

Rfk's voice is so grating. Sounds like he needs to clear his throat. I k ow he has a condition, but ugh,i can't stand it

[@duskonanyavarld1786]

You can read his books if you want to know his opinions.

[@v10ramTony]

@@duskonanyavarld1786 Thanks for bringing that up! His books are a total waste of time, like Ayn Rand's. Like Children's books if you're 50+. Just totally stupid. This guy doesn't even understand the scientific method, let alone value it.

[@douglasmennella4525]

I think Sam is not grappling with the idea that it’s a cult. “Gumming up the works” is not a lot different than appealing to people’s shame. We need to not work on their side but rather our side. We complain that the party can’t rally the troops but when do we buck up the troops ourselves.

[@mzach2828]

Dems can’t stop fighting 😂😂😂🇺🇸

[@edutainme7265]

It's crazy thinking back to Sam and RFK on Ring of Fire - never would have guessed this future.

[@NotoriousLightning]

Sammy wasn't even borned and Bobby was just a little dude in 1963, so it's impossible Sammy and Kennedy played on Ring of Fire. Stop spreadin' lies.

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

@@NotoriousLightning They both were on One Piece At A Time tho, right?

[@LittleTimothy]

Tuesday is the 50th anniversary of the May 2, 1967 “invasion” of the state Capitol by two dozen gun-toting Black Panthers. Carrying rifles, pistols and shotguns, and wearing dark glasses, leather jackets and berets, they marched up the front steps and into the Capitol to demonstrate their opposition to an anti-gun bill by Oakland Republican Don Mulford (1915-2000).

[@cumincalamity9867]

The "kiss the onion ring" joke is a great joke and I would definitely be as pissed as Emma is if Jon Stewart stole it. However, the pedant in me can't help mentioning that McDonald's doesn't sell onion rings. Burger King does.

[@DaveAlan316]

Bad people can still have silver linings. Pretending he doesn't have ANY good points just because he's on Trump's team or has obviously bad points is being willfully ignorant if not outright delusional. Acknowledging something is not magically endorsing everything someone does or says

[@michaelb2363]

What do they think the alternative would be if he isn’t confirmed ?

[@seanpatrick1243]

You are correct Matt, the EU regulations are MUCH more stringent and are the reason we don’t get gross US steroid filled meats, for example.

[@Loopy-Angels]

"How dare you NOT be biased"

[@OneOnOne1162]

I think Sam is right that sabotaging their effort is more important than whether a specific food additive is sage or not, but... gods, this is all so blackpilling.

[@AammaK]

No this was a bad look for Sam regardless of being kinda not wrong. The caller wasn’t half as antagonistic as Sam took them being.

[@ravenswood118]

The caller was pretty condescending considering all Sam said was that we have some bullsh!t ingredients in the food that are banned elsewhere. I'll never understand why Americans want to defend their crappy food system so badly. You'd think that as leftists you'd want to fix it.

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

@@ravenswood118 I love how you're all over this page pearl-clutching & bragging about how great your food system is & talking past other people. I'm Canadian, before you attack me. I'm in a major agricultural area of Canada. I'm just observing you seem pretty exercised about this but all you seem to want to do is tell Americans how bad their food is. & maybe that's a comment that only needs to be left once on the same page.

[@josev.1930]

Damn, Sam’s defenses go up real quick. Buddy not everything is a debate. Internet, “got to get the W” prevails all these days…

[@larryforbes6718]

I like the discussion w the caller on the food regulations. Good points! And Emma looks so nice. But great discussion.

[@NoFlexZoner]

We need a way to make Sam face consequences for his murderous and inhumane rhetoric... This is literal terrorism and enabling fascism

[@hlc617]

I don't really have a prob with Sam's orginal point. It was just saying like, Trump is obvs appointing names he wants to just let go hog wild with whatever crazy crap they believe in these positions. If RFK is allowed to "do his own thing", out of all the 99% junk he believes, there's a 1% amount of not junk. This differs from other conservative appointees who have 0% that will benefit people. It's worth pointing out the 1% if only to show like, hey 2 IQ average citizen voter, look! Liberals like this thing the great centrist *RFK* likes.... hmmmmm funny, I wonder why all the conservatives don't like this thing! I think it's worth pointing out that crack, beacuse either the very outspoken RFK will have to visibly eat shit or flip flop about something he was supposedly passionate about, or we get a crumb of something decent out of this otherwise totally destructive administration that could open doors to other better things if we make it to the next administration. THat's all that was- Sam just pointing out a crumb. I agree that most likely we'll see the RFK eating shit version where this thing he said was a problem ends up not really being a problem at all under trump

[@dkaspar67]

Caller, you may rethink your approach to challenging opposing views. You have no confidence in your voice and your continued use of the word "like" immediately shows weakness. You won't win an argument with that tactic, especially with Sam.

[@kf1439]

I agree that we need vastly more regulation of foods and drugs. A lot of the "proof" that things are harmless is bought and paid for my food and drug companies. I am severely allergic to soy, and the regulatory bodies in the US have decided that soybean oil and soy lecithin don't contain soy allergens, so don't need to be called out on ingredient labels. This is made me sick many times. Though this shouldn't need to be said: HIV leads to AIDS and vaccines prevent disease and don't cause autism.

[@Mettle_DAD]

Unacceptable!.....mothra and Godzilla are allies. More like Ghidorah and Rodan are fighting and it can only benefit us (us being Godzilla and man). Lol

[@warriorwaitress7690]

Ooh, talk nerdy to me...

[@thenoodledrop]

Well hold on, before they were allies, they had a pretty gnarly fight in 1962 😉

[@Mettle_DAD]

@thenoodledrop same IS indeed old so he's probably referencing the originals :)

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

I was really hoping this important point would be addressed in the comment section.

[@MDogme]

Can't let the caller speak?

[@justausername]

This is one of those calls that frustrates me, and they're rare but they're consistent in their flaw, and that is that Sam is way better at allowing a right wing or libertarian caller to frame their argument in as good faith as possible before responding to it but when a lefty calls in that mostly agrees with him but has a disagreement on the margins he gets so defensive that he either misrepresents their point (like he did here by insisting the caller accused him of "defending" RFK when they didn't) or overwhelms them into not being able to get their point across clearly (which I would argue happened here). I mean the TITLE of the video did a better job of representing the caller's view than Sam did. I love Sam, truly, he's great 95% of the time (and I agree with the point he's making here) but when he's off it's usually because he's getting too defensive about how he runs his show and like I get it but it affects his ability to have a good discussion at times.

[@PsychoBarnyFife]

Give Sama a break. RFK Jr was an old friend of Sam's at a time when Jr wasn't an obvious lunatic, and it's often tuff to realize that old friend's are not what they use to be.

[@eustatic3832]

Sheesh, the whining from this caller

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

Why are people like you so mean + judgmental?

[@fusiongod5004]

Is it true the highest googled topic following the election was "Can i change my vote?" Cause it feels like it's getting that way

[@GreysonPlaisance]

These comments are nuts.... This caller is so wrong

[@xentakis]

I agree with Sam on this. I can’t stand RFK Jr., but I definitely see the potential of a wedge between MAGA and “MAHA,” and I can imagine RFK possibly turning on Trump (not holding my breath, but it’s possible)

[@cyberfella9167]

Damn, y’all were way too harsh on this guy

[@FistmanGG]

RFK jr is a good guy.