Sandy Munro Drops A Big Surprise! - Autoline After Hours 539

[@DrOlds88]

Sandy is always so much fun to watch! Thank you for sharing your insights!

[@Steph1]

After battery day when Sandy said “this news should send the stock to the moon” I did what was obvious: bought more stock. Thanks Sandy!

[@electrictroy2010]

EVs are the future. I have a fuel cell car that takes 20 minutes to fill from empty (no faster than an EV on a supercharger). Plus it’s a hassle to stop at the gas station every 300 miles to fill the FC car. If I owned an electric, then I could refuel at home. The infrastructure is already there .

[@nononsenseBennett]

I agree. He is a real asset to the engineering community.

[@r.a.monigold9789]

A Genuine team of automotive experts. Thank you all...

[@RonnyOlufsen]

Very interesting! Many thanks to all four of you guys!

[@monsuur]

The “big” news: Sandy is going to test drive the 2021 Model 3 in cold and warm weather. They’re also going to take apart the Model 3 and the Arcimoto.

[@stefanweilhartner4415]

maybe he can get some tips from a lot of other people like Björn Nyland who already did that

[@stephenpowstinger733]

Thanks for the heads up.

[@TomSmash1990]

Thank you 🙏

[@StevenBanks123]

Thank you so much. Getting to the point is a lost art (or they need the clicks).

[@lengould9262]

I'm more curious about the vtol's.

[@lukeknowles5700]

Gary, I really dig your sense of enthusiasm and joy when discussing all the items you present. Great attitude.

[@donkanis6141]

I’m Sandy’s age and I think it is absolutely hilarious that he has no idea how popular he is and is becoming with the younger generation and this new fangled KZbin stuff. 🤣

[@electrictroy2010]

What younger viewers? KZbin stats show the majority of viewers are middle aged & older

[@electrictroy2010]

I have a fuel cell car that takes 20 minutes to fill from empty (no faster than an EV on a supercharger). Plus it’s a hassle to stop at the gas station every 300 miles to fill the FC car. If I owned an electric, then I could refuel at home. The infrastructure is already there .

[@victorblock3421]

@@electrictroy2010 The man was telling the truth.

[@johnmqueripel2367]

Bjorn Nyland has done some very in depth testing with Tesla in very cold Norwegian weather (around -26C) and overnighting i.e. sleeping in the car etc. His channel is worth looking at.

[@grizzybear9111]

I love that guy, yo what's up

[@MTerrance]

Sheeeit.

[@electrictroy2010]

Correction: The Norwegian guy keeps his Tesla plugged in (with heater). The point was to test the car when unplugged overnight & COLD started. Owners are reporting battery capacity drops to 30% .

[@electrictroy2010]

EVs are the future. I have a fuel cell car that takes 20 minutes to fill from empty (no faster than an EV on a supercharger). Plus it’s a hassle to stop at the gas station every 300 miles to fill the FC car. If I owned an electric, then I could refuel at home. The infrastructure is already there .

[@georgepelton5645]

We still have a Ford branded refrigerator. It is several decades old, maybe 40-50 years, and still running fine.

[@joewilder]

Aptera has some really good features. Lots of storage room, 2 people can sit next to each other. I think they're great. I wish they could be sold for $15k.

[@markplott4820]

TOO EXPENSIVE and its not a PERFORMANCE Vehicle.

[@electrictroy2010]

If the car can get 60-70 MPGe, then I call that incredible performance. I bought my Insight Hybrid because even though it’s only 70hp had an EPA rating of 70mpg (exactly the performance I wanted).

[@Sventasis]

Sandy was very entertaining, thank you. Now this is infotainment.

[@goldreverre]

Sandy's impression of the mirror regulation stickler. 1:16:00 ... brilliant. funniest thing I've seen all week.

[@allanwlarsen]

Thanks a lot for a great show. Sandy, you really are a GURU and a magnificent storyteller - agree with you in almost all your predictions, and you make us all wiser. Allan, Denmark

[@HMexperience]

Sandy Munro should talk to tesla bjoern who is a KZbinr who have done a lot of efficiency test on all tesla vehicles and also all the other BEV on the market in Norway. See Bjørn Nyland

[@GridConnections]

Yeah, I was trying to reference how others have done efficiency tests (especially Bjorn) and seen large improvements from some OEMs. Specifically Tesla and Kia but looking forward to talking with him more soon about Sandy's findings.

[@BillB33525]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/ipCXm3mZac2ehM0 overnight in the M3 2021 in cold Norwegian territory. Bjorn has a whole series on the '21 M3.

[@GridConnections]

@@BillB33525 Yep big fan of his work and enjoyed his comparisons so far of the heat pumps in the '21 Model 3, Kia E-Niro and VW ID3. Was hoping we'd get to talk more about those, but will be interesting to see what consumption Sandy experiences on his road trip.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

H M "Bjørn" "Ø" It's a courtesy thing

[@excelrobot]

@@GridConnections Your questions were really great. As much as I love my Model 3, I would love to see the worthy competitors get more attention.

[@fatboy19831]

When I first received my 3 in 2018 I only got about 225 miles off a full charge in the winter. Sub 40f. 300+ miles in the spring. That is down 25%. My car is far more efficient today. I can go over 255 miles mid winter. Down 15%.

[@excelrobot]

Same. Gotta love those over-the-air updates!!

[@grizzybear9111]

John is a idiot claiming its 50% without looking it up or testing. Its unprofessional what can you expect from a mickey mouse operation like Autoline

[@MarkGarnettUK]

@@grizzybear9111 I think they need to keep their legacy brands and suppliers happy (show sponsorship) so he has to appear negative on all things EV.

[@usa-ev]

@@grizzybear9111 My Fiat 500e got 50% range or maybe even less when it was -20F. I had the heater cranked though! So it does happen for some EVs at some temps.

[@fatboy19831]

@@usa-ev - 20 F. ? Wtf. The gas 500 probably in the teens at that temp. I have never operated an automobile at those temps. Pre heating a plugged in Eletric car will improve Efficiency massively. Just like an gas car needs a block heater and to run for a few minutes before you can operate it safely at -20f. Yes run a small battery electric car that has not been preheated at -20 and you would be lucky to get 50 % range.

[@RayNLA]

I’m happy to be here and hope you are too!

[@excelrobot]

Happy to be alive. Thank you for caring.

[@RayNLA]

@@excelrobot You’re very welcome! Thank you for replying

[@mtumasz]

Thnx to Autoline for making me aware of this Gentleman🙏🏻, maybe 3 years ago?

[@electrictroy2010]

He was on the show as early as 2009

[@georgecostanza2695]

Omg the thing about the mirrors @1:15:50 really made my day🤣 The thing Sandy mentioned about selling just the "skate board" is like how they did it back in the early 20th century when carmakers would sell just the power train and chassis, then the customer would go to a coach builder for the body. Some people would even have a "summer body" and a "winter body". But regardless, there's already a ton of after market stuff for Teslas from wheels to coilovers, air suspension, body kits, auxilliary lighting, ambient lighting, additional cameras, HUDs, driver displays, storage organizers, steering wheels, throttle controllers, data loggers, power frunks, self presenting door handles (for 3 and Y), power lift gate foot sensors, high performance brakes, lift kits, light weight replacement parts, even replica "exhaust systems" generate engine sounds based on speed and pedal position. That's just the stuff that is available now. Once someone hacks into the power electronics, inverters and various other control units (and somebody will), that's when we'll start to see power mods, motor upgrades, custom gearing and aftermarket vehicle control apps.

[@theknave4415]

Sandy Munro is about the only person on this panel who has a clue wrt EVs. Some of the others are twenty to thirty years behind the tech curve. That is not an exaggeration.

[@electrictroy2010]

But Munro is pro-hydrogen. I have a fuel cell car that takes 20 minutes to fill from empty (no faster than an EV on a supercharger). Plus it’s a hassle to stop at the gas station every 300 miles to fill the FC car. If I owned an electric, then I could refuel at home. The infrastructure is already there .

[@posatronic9262]

Live in NE and a farmer friend on mine's Father install a system in 2002~ on their existing tractor that did the exact same thing but accuracy was 3" and he had to turn the tractor 180 to get back on track. Then as another advantage when you have to reapply fertilizer they use the same track to apply(which is where the 3" comes into play) Glad to see they are continue this but though they would be a little farther along than this.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Tesla cold weather testing? Just tune in to Bjørn Nyland. He's done extensive testing on his 2018 M3 and just finished testing a 2021 car at minus 26 centigrade (that's minus 15 Fahrenheit) Job done!

[@GridConnections]

Thanks for having me on again! Always great to talk with the Autoline team and hear Sandy's thoughts.

[@Janelle2043]

At 79 yrs of age I want an Aptera!

[@ronimbeau4868]

Really look forward to the results from the test drive. Good luck Sandy. Keep safe mate.

[@lpdirv]

Live in Canada. With a bit of planning the cold isnt a real problem.

[@jjhites9855]

I look forward to seeing Sandy in Duluth Minnesota. Get here Friday it will be -3’.

[@rollingtones1]

2:26 Equipment known as SURVEYING GPS has had 1 inch resolution for over 10 years now. This is just a new application of off-the-shelf gear.

[@jeffbransky7966]

Sandy should test the Arcimoto in Minnesota this winter and report back how great it is. 😉

[@petermaltha]

Morgan motor company has a three wheeler for years.

[@renemarkusaurelius9194]

My uncle had a Fridigare Ref in the 60s ( it was 20 years old by then),I forget if it may have a made by General Motors tag on it, my memory so foggy now,that fridge was indestructible ,it went thru two floods , literally floated like a boat as the whole first floor was submerged with 6 feet of water,they don't make them like they used to.

[@photogol]

Great program!

[@jamesbell8861]

My favorite KZbin personality HANDS DOWN !!! Go Team Sandy !!!

[@joewilder]

I've wondered why there is nothing between the NEV (25 mph) standard and a full feature vehicle. It's seems there should be gradations like perhaps 45 mph 60 mph, etc. with safety standards to match the capability and limitations of each.

[@markplott4820]

3 Wheelers are not even Required to have Airbags, think on that.

[@electrictroy2010]

In Japan they have microcars that fit in-between 25mph NEVs and full size cars. Toyota sold one called iQ but it sold poorly in the USA.

[@thomosburn8740]

Cold weather driving (30 degrees) has negatively impacted my Niro-EV battery & range, but nowhere near 30%, more like half that.

[@usa-ev]

So 50% of 30% at 30 degrees?

[@scoopsandstories]

Can’t wait to get my Arcimoto!

[@excelrobot]

Lucky! Those look so fun.

[@georgepelton5645]

Check out Bjørn Nyland’s KZbin videos testing the 2021 Model 3 in -20 C weather in Norway. He has some instrumentation that shows how the octovalve heat pump scavenge heat from the battery instead of from outdoor air. Bjørn has also run the same tests on the Kia eNiro.

[@electrictroy2010]

Correction: The Norwegian guy keeps his Tesla plugged in (with heater). The point was to test the car when unplugged overnight & COLD started. Owners are reporting battery capacity drops to 30% .

[@electrictroy2010]

EVs are the future. I have a fuel cell car that takes 20 minutes to fill from empty (no faster than an EV on a supercharger). Plus it’s a hassle to stop at the gas station every 300 miles to fill the FC car. If I owned an electric, then I could refuel at home. The infrastructure is already there .

[@senordockman1138]

Great show! Interesting and informative! It will be really interesting to see updates on Sandy’s trip!

[@rkan2]

Sandy with the best quality! (audio and video) my man! :D

[@larsbjrdal5258]

check Bjørn Nyland s youtube for cold weather testing of old and new Model3

[@dmitchellhomes]

Sandy, which fighter jet is landing at 350 mph? try half that, for better results.

[@gjohnston6052]

Must maintain our right to repair.

[@markplott4820]

TESLA in 2021 makes cars that DONT need Repair in the FIRST Place. and once TESLA cars get Structural Battery and MEGACASTING , Tesla will be Maintanance FREE.,

[@usa-ev]

@@markplott4820 At what point is it OK to throw away your broken car in your opinion? Nothing works forever.

[@markplott4820]

@@usa-ev - TRUE , but there are still 2009 ROADSTER and 2012 MODEL S on the Roads today , they even have MEET UPS and Road Trips . and the Owners , some of them even PAID to Update the MCU , Autopilot and Batteries to NEWER Technology. making the cars LAST even longer. TESLA still sells HW3 Updates for LEGACY cars.

[@markplott4820]

@@usa-ev - BTW its RARE that any TESLA Breaks and needs Repair. JAY LENO has a 2014 Model S and has done ZERO Maintanance since he bought it . NEWER Tesla today can last 25 years or more , 1 million mile DRIVETRAIN, 500,000 mile battery, 300,000 mile to FIRST Maintanance. and they are ONLY getting better with MEGACASTING and the Structural Battery , its a MAINTANANCE FREE battery.

[@usa-ev]

@@markplott4820 I would be willing to bet most 2012's have had drive units replaced. You mentioned paying for MCU upgrades, that's a great example. A) people should be able to replace MCU with another non-Tesla MCU if they want. B) the early MCUs did die, out of warranty, and people should be allowed/enabled to fix those outside of Tesla. (I know about the new extended warranty and potential recall, this is about the principle.) Another example: I should be able to replace my battery with a higher capacity one that's not from Tesla if that is what I want to do.

[@michelschmi8091]

Guys, great content as always, together with a laugh and a smile, love it. Bjorn Nyland from Norway, does the best all weather/real life/in car sleeping ....,tests for 10 years.cheers

[@electrictroy2010]

Correction: The Norwegian guy keeps his Tesla plugged in (with heater). The point was to test the car when unplugged overnight & COLD started. Owners are reporting battery capacity drops to 30% .

[@wernerengel6357]

Sandy I believe the Australian CSIRO government agency is working on a similar paint if you would like to contact them.

[@simonthebroken9691]

I really want to know the true cold weather range. I live in Fargo, ND below zero is very, very common. Thanks.

[@AllanSustainabilityFan]

www.fleetcarma.com/cold-weather-fuel-efficiency/ Ice vehicles generally lose about 19 percent range. EVs generally lose around 29 percent, so it's certainly an important consideration, but nothing close to Mr McElroy's wild claims. And this is before considering modern EV heatpumps - like Tesla's recent "Octavalve" design that Munro loves - which are much more efficient in cold weather, but that link's still a good rule of thumb.

[@MrCarGuy]

@@AllanSustainabilityFan It depends on many factors and you lose a lot more range when the batteries aren't heated when parked in such weather.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

@@MrCarGuy You're guessing

[@Amuzic_Earth]

Check Bjorn Nyland's channel if you can't wait for Sandy to come up with his results.

[@haydenmacfarlane7194]

It definitely depends on multiple factors. I live in Michigan so often below freezing and sometimes below 0. I’d say the range is generally cut around 1/3 and at worse 1/2. Assuming 1/2 range you’ll be safe for sure. If you have the vehicle charged right before you leave it heats the battery so you get back most of the range loss back. Also worth noting that highway travel is less efficient so range loss would be less if you travel in the city/ at low speeds

[@BryceLovesTech]

Is it me or does Sandy's zoom background look better than theirs

[@a.i.9560]

2019 Model 3 round trip I294/I94 near Chicago, real numbers verified over 3 trip average each. Winter 35 to 26*F 124 miles=58% battery used (296 Kwh per Tesla trip meter). Summer 75 to 85*F 124 miles=40% battery used (234Kwh per Tesla trip meter). (W58%-S40%)/W40%=45% increase. (W296Kwh-S234Kwh)/S234Kwh=26.5% increase. Real World is % used, because this is what I use to determine if the Tesla needs to be recharged. Note: Summer milage = 310 miles 100% charges.

[@usa-ev]

Shouldn't your percentages of increase align between the two ways of measuring? May want to check your math...

[@a.i.9560]

@@usa-ev This is why I am showing it this way. Percent of battery is real life. Kwh from the trip meter, which I believe is the motors only, gives a false read. Some use Kwh to make the Tesla look better in the cold than it really is.

[@mattmcfly2165]

Sandy is a legend. 🤩

[@florenciovela7570]

i've ordered the tri motor fsd cyber truck last April & i may also order the dual motor or the S Plaid model as well? i love Space X too..

[@torchlord11]

I think the biggest thing that will change consumers' mindsets regarding 3 wheel vehicles is autonomous tech because if more vehicles become extremely not likely to hit anyone due to that tech, more people will see the 3 wheel vehicles as more viable.

[@chrispnw2547]

Thank you Sandy for explaining the valuation for Tesla stock. It is a gamblers drea. Few stocks are riding on such massive speculation and sentiment. The metrics are not the driver for the stock. This is a sentiment-based stock price.

[@electrictroy2010]

It’s like the year 2000 Dot-com bubble all over again (that was based on sentiment & hopes too) .

[@10bbremer]

There is a VC group that is run by former and current Ford execs.They invest in companies that are developing technology that will be needed for EV and smart vehicles. Once an investment/technology proves to be of value to Ford directly, they buy the company and make it part of Ford. Ford is on it but preceding cautiously.

[@Bluuplanet]

My grandparents had a Kelvinator garbage/trash incinerator

[@jimshafer970]

Sandy, you comments on the Sherman are wrong. The Sherman did not burn more often than other WWII tanks. And the Shermans got better and better through the war. The Sherman was a shock to the Germans in Africa. It was far better than the Panzer II and III and as good as most Panzer IVs.

[@jimparr5412]

Problem with 3 wheels on gravel or snow/ice that have ruts is that the back wants to continuously slide one way or the other to be in the rut

[@ultrastoat3298]

Love Sandy.

[@danielnicholls6868]

i don't think 3 wheels will be any good in snowy areas? or very windy areas.

[@SmartMart1658]

The Tesla Model Y is the "Telegraph vs Pony Express" of the auto industry - it won't be one day; but one year from now - some legacy auto makers will be going out of business.

[@usa-ev]

Per Battery Day Tesla is limited on how many cars they can produce so it will take a little longer. We're really just waiting for them to ramp at this point. Nobody else is working hard enough to have the supply chains to ramp and gain much market share. I think it's going to end up 60-80% Tesla.

[@andrasbiro3007]

No, it was the Model S. The Roadster was cool to, but that was just a very expensive toy. The Model S was a practical car for a more reasonable price. And in performance it kicked the ass of supercars. For the P85D the benchmark was Elon's McLaren F1. Thinking about it a bit more, the Roadster already should have been a wake-up call for the industry. It proved that it's possible to build a sexy, fast and long range EV. It was small and very expensive, but the first telegram wasn't too practical either. What do you need to make a Tesla? Batteries and electronics mostly. Both are getting better and cheaper very fast, so anyone who paid attention should have figured out where this is going. Or we can go even further back in time, to the EV1. It had barely enough range for city driving, around 55 miles. But then I learned that it uses lead-acid batteries. That was when I knew the age of the EV has begun. Because Li-ion batteries have four times higher energy density, which would give you 220 miles and that's an entirely different conversation from there. Then the only limiting factor is price, but that's only a matter of time. I wasn't alone, many people did the same math and came to the same conclusion. One of them was this guy named Elon Musk, you might have heard about him.

[@electrictroy2010]

Roadster was not the first time a company took an already-built gasoline car (Lotus) and converted to an EV. Not impressive. The Tesla-designed Model S was the impressive part.

[@qinby1182]

Early Refrigerators The first known artificial form of refrigeration was demonstrated by William Cullen at the University of Glasgow in 1748. Cullen's invention, though ingenious, was not used for any practical purpose. In 1805, an American inventor, Oliver Evans, designed a blueprint for the first refrigeration machine. But it wasn’t until 1834 that the first practical refrigerating machine was built by Jacob Perkins. The refrigerator created cool temperatures using a vapor compression cycle.

[@Trapperpk]

Sandy Munro is the new 30!

[@electrictroy2010]

MUNRO PRO HYDROGEN? I have a fuel cell car that takes 20 minutes to fill from empty (no faster than an EV on a supercharger). Plus it’s a hassle to stop at the gas station every 300 miles to fill the FC car. If I owned an electric, then I could refuel at home. The infrastructure is already there .

[@monkeysezbegood]

To all those who are worried about range etc... What you should be worrying about is getting rid of ICE cars as soon as possible. We may have to accept less.

[@mako88sb]

I have no problem with reducing pollution but China is building enough coal burning plants that when finished, they will use more coal then the rest of the world combined. They built 3 times the amount of wind turbines and solar farms and with their increased nuclear program will be 2nd to only the USA. Yet even with all that they still see the need for so much coal burning plants. Getting rid of ICE vehicles as soon as possible doesn’t seem to be the big problem to me.

[@usa-ev]

Agreed! Although starting every day with a full charge changes the equation and in most cases it doesn't mean accepting less, it's actually a lot nicer!

[@monkeysezbegood]

@@mako88sb it's all part of the problem. The average American,Canadian produces huge amount more CO2 and remember a lot of Chinas pollution is the developed worlds pollution. We buy the products. Historically US as emitted more then China has. We need to better in all ways. China is about to enact it's emmsions trading scheme which is good news.

[@monkeysezbegood]

@@mako88sb I've been reading on China recently. I think we will see them really move on climate issues and to be honest I think America might struggle more with the lack of consensus in the country, and with a culture more strongly connected to V8s.

[@leorock7823]

How do I invest in Monro and associates?

[@markplott4820]

AUTOLINE - People have been planting RICE seedlings with Precision since 200 BC and when JAPAN invented the MECHNICAL Rice planter , they could get job done 1000x faster than any HUMAN could.

[@emiliorescigno]

As someone who owns a Tesla in the wilds of Minnesota. It's nice :)

[@richardblais5232]

36:00 ... maybe 15% drop in Québec City for Jan-Feb

[@wollinger]

BIG NEWS!!! Car tester tests a car!

[@questioneryusef8264]

Make the cars first since the grass is no use if there is no horse. Basically the car is the horse. Grass is the battery. You can feed them with any grass and find one that makes the horse better later.

[@usa-ev]

OK!

[@danmoyer4650]

The future of 3-wheelers is not in question because their market will people who are now under 30. They don't know a lot about cars or know a lot about cars like we older people do. They don't have a lot of pre-conceived ideas about what a car should be like. They want something that will get them around, be reliable, be easy to park and be cheap to run.

[@davidsuzukiispolpot]

And they don't comprehend their mortality

[@StormyDog]

Ford and GM will have trouble buying the small EV companies because the small EV companies have a higher market value than they do.

[@lesliecarter4295]

They should put a nickel-hydrogen battery currently used in the space industry, in that three wheeler. You could even have battery swapping.

[@alaasadek2908]

Hello from Egypt. I think that this 3 wheeler in a Robotaxi fleet will do will in many parts of the world. China included. Because it is easier to get in and out of. Also cheaper to run.

[@MTerrance]

Absolutely. India has thousands (millions?) of 3 wheeled taxis. Archimoto should focus on India, Southeast Asia and China as prime markets.

[@theknifedude1881]

If Sandy makes it to California be sure and try In ‘n Out burgers.

[@electrictroy2010]

In N Out’s scrawny & chewy 1/8 pound patties? No thanks. McDonalds, Wendys, Umami, others serve Fresh never frozen 1/4 or 1/3 pound burgers. (And if in Vegas goto Gordon Ramsay Burger for the absolute best ones.)

[@andrecarter5300]

Always good to hear from Sandy--entertaining to say the least. However, here is an article pointing out how Elon benefited from government funding in 2009 (a $465M loan). So not quite all the government stimulus funding Sandy mentioned went to China. Tesla Wouldn’t Be Tesla Without Stimulus Spending www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-09/tesla-got-a-major-boost-from-2009-u-s-stimulus

[@rogerstarkey5390]

GM wouldn't be GM. FORD wouldn't be Ford. Etc Oh, and Tesla paid it back early, with interest, but you probably knew that(?)

[@jamesbell8861]

GM wouldn't be GM without a Government Bankruptcy Bailout. Every company worth mentioning has benefited from some sort of government cooperation. Its how the system works. Hate the fucktards who try to imply that there was some sort of special treatment.

[@MrCarGuy]

@@rogerstarkey5390 Ford didn't get a bailout, buddy.

[@francescarossi8313]

@@MrCarGuy Ford got 5.9 billion dollars (not a typo) from the same DOE program tesla got the 500 millions mentioned. Tesla gave the money back with interests and a bonus in 2013. Ford still owes the 5.9 billions.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

@@francescarossi8313 Thanks for the clarification.

[@danoberste8146]

Sandy drops a BIG SURPRISE at 1:09:32

[@RonnieLeeDuck]

I like listening to Sandy, but his criticism of Ford and GM gets old and annoying. Those companies are way better run post financial crises then they ever were when Munro worked with them. They will be fine. They have more than capable engineers. They are positioning themselves well for an EV future. I see EVs going mainstream in time. But Sandy is naive in believing the infrastructure is going to be built by the late 2020s to support predominantly EVs in the U.S. EVs are going to be adopted gradually. GM and Ford are playing it smart by getting into the game but targeting mid decade for when they will start to really ramp up EV production.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Re "infrastructure" You're not paying attention. Re "gradual ramp up by GM/ Ford, etc" Do you realise how many vehicles Tesla will be making in 2025?

[@RonnieLeeDuck]

@@rogerstarkey5390 Let's just say the pace of building out an infrastructure to support an all EV world has drastically to step up the pace from where its at now if they want to achieve it by 2030., . If you are interested check out this discussion between Matt Farah of the Smoking Tire podcast and Chris Harris. kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3mbqXimhaZ4eKc The first part of the video is a lengthy discussion of Tesla and EVs in general. Farah attests to building a car storage garage and wanting to put in more EV charges but the city of LA wouldn't let him. And that is LA, the epicenter of the EV boom. I live in Portland Oregon. 4 story condos and apartment building are going up all over the place with parking garages underneath. None of them are putting in EV chargers. If you own a home where you can recharge then you are fine. I'm sure a quality network of chargers across the country will happen in the next 4 years to comfortably travel cross country. But that is as far as goes by mid decade. Again, at least at the pace it is going. As far as how many cars Tesla will sell in 2025. I'm sure it will be something between more than they sell now and less than anything that remotely justifies their share price.

[@gnoxycat]

They could have been where Tesla is. They could be the highest value car company in the world. But because they are "playing it smart", they are not. Invest in them both. Do you really think they are going to be better off in 2030?

[@usa-ev]

Sandy said annual auto sales would be over 50% EVs by then, which is way different than the U.S. being predominantly EV by then. Even if EV sales were 100% it would still take a decade to turn the fleet predominantly electric. We'll easily meet the infrastructure challenges in Sandy's time frame.

[@vmsangar8029]

sandy has some investments in 3 wheel

[@zilfondel]

"It's Tesla. Sometimes they do brilliant things, sometimes not so much."

[@excelrobot]

The important thing is that they do do do. And the things they do that are not so brilliant, are only temporary problems. To Tesla engineers, problems are merely opportunities for further brilliant innovations.

[@officialspock]

This gives Sandy more credibility that he's not a Tesla fanboy, he says what it really is

[@electrictroy2010]

The fit & finish flaw (panel gaps) on Model X and 3 goes back five years. It has never been fixed.

[@WeilongYou]

I think when Elon says he is going to build a $25k car, he means 4 wheels

[@Eagles_Eye]

Boii are you going to be surprised this/next year.

[@WeilongYou]

@@Eagles_Eye Well, I'd be happy to be surprised

[@chrisbraid2907]

Some four wheelers used to look like three wheelers ...

[@donyakusa9187]

You got to love Sandy. The guy is hilarious.

[@noreguibi5568]

The Morgans were rear wheel drive.

[@digitalbladeca]

This was just great, so excited for this transformation that's just in its infancy. Majority of the world's population haven't even heard of Tesla, and even Elon Musk. They've never test driven a new car, let alone an electric one. I've made enough in Tesla to buy 2 of them and it may seem like a bubble, but then I think - when Robotaxis come along why would I spend even $25k on an electric car if it costs me less than a dollar for one to drive me around and I can sleep or work during the time

[@usa-ev]

Exactly! Yet another hard thing for people to wrap their head's around. They spent a lot of time on 3 wheelers here. I think those are a dead end because most people will pay the 25c upgrade to be driven in a quieter, more comfortable, more secure, safer car. (Not tipping over just solves one small problem of many.) Also any EV in CA will not be a "polluting car" because they are going to have excess green electricity.

[@electrictroy2010]

25 cents? Pretty sure going from 3 to 4 wheels costs more than that (especially when considering increased gasoline consumption)

[@electrictroy2010]

California doesn’t have excess green energy. It has to import energy from neighboring states like Nevada or Arizona (coal electricity)

[@electrictroy2010]

And of course natural gas is not clean (fossil fuel & greenhouse contributor)

[@searcey]

Still love my i3!

[@PlanetFrosty]

California doesn’t want residents in its state anymore so traffic may be no problem.

[@paulvansteenberghe4644]

You should check out QUENSOR, Quantum Energy Storage or Retrieval, a product patented and invented by Alvin Marks. It is a nanoscale ultra capacitor with an energy density a bit higher than gasoline.

[@ramblerandy2397]

Every time Autoline After Hours has Sandy on the show these days, which is pretty much the only time I show up to view too, I hear John McElroy panning EVs for some reason, while otherwise appearing to be open-minded, and Gary Vasilash barely hiding his hatred of electric vehicles, while ignoring the fact that new cars from 2025 [Norway], 2030 [UK, Europe], 2035 [California and ZEV States] and significant others will not be ICE at all. It's over you dinosaurs - get used to it. And the little inconveniences that EVs have today, after a few short years of development, will go away in a few more. But the pollution from ICE will always be will us until they are killed off.

[@shawntilluck]

Bjørn Nyland did some cold weather testing - kzbin.info/www/bejne/jIHYlaOknrSgrrs

[@shawntilluck]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/iHmki4ScnrF_o5I

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Bjørn did a s**tload of cold weather testing on the 21 model 3 (at -25°c) He's since tested the Kia, and is on the ID.3 (Tesla for the win, apparently)

[@KrisTC]

Saved me a post :D was going to do the same.

[@carlstockmal]

I've seen many comments regarding Sandy working for Tesla. Unfortunately, when someone rips apart your work, sells the world your "secret sauce" recipes, shows in detail how you f-ed up some things, and then says you did some things really well... you probably don't want to then extend your hand in gratitude. And among the things you remember is not that they said, "You did good." I agree, that would probably be of benefit to Tesla. At this point, it's very unlikely. Sandy dismissed the question regarding the Tesla $25K model in favor of the 3-wheelers, but the Tesla Compact IS coming. And if the price point is close, the only benefit is range over safety & infotainment & space to haul stuff & 5 seats & weather-resistance.... the Tesla wins.

[@Paddyo875]

Are you referring to the Model 2? Hopefully, it will be available in the US soon.

[@usa-ev]

I think your wrong on gratitude. Elon loves corrective feedback loops. (And so should we all.)

[@electrictroy2010]

I thought the 3 was already a compact car

[@Steph1]

At 56:00 which stock is he referring to that he believes will go to the moon if they buy these 2?

[@kn944]

He is surmising PSA/FCA (Stellantis) will spin off their EV division and he would buy that stock.

[@Steph1]

kn944 thanks

[@brandoYT]

How much money went to top Ford & GM execs.? 1996 - 2020 market share down every year. How much in ads? now how much in batteries? electrification?

[@robertjohnson5227]

A 3 wheel vehicle is not good in rain or snow without doors and a heater

[@billyd7806]

I love your shows & respect Sandy but he’s lost his mind IMO. YIKES!!!! 3 wheelers taking over-what is he smoking!!!

[@timmyssweet]

Someone forgot to tell him that four-wheels are better than three. But then again, I've never tested three. I've only watched Richard Hammond flip them on television.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

@@timmyssweet You are DEFINITELY not "critical thinking"

[@timmyssweet]

@@rogerstarkey5390 Objective analysis is critical thinking. I haven't decided if three wheels are better than four. I've been waiting for either an enclosed motorcycle or a three wheeled motorcycle for years to buy. They just haven't eventuated. - yet.

[@excelrobot]

I’m optimistic about these three wheelers. I gotta agree with Sandy on this one.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

@@timmyssweet You've just been looking at one, behind the Tesla. My comment was regarding your obvious lack of observation (thinking?) regarding these 3 wheelers and the Reliant Robin. Or, just a poor joke?

[@Billscienceguy]

I thought Carrier invented refrigeration! Or was it Clarece Birdsey?

[@gmv0553]

Great video!

[@dclpgh]

Hey sandy make sure you request from elon the fsd beta.

[@Brad-sb1dk]

I don't think Sandy's guys told him that he's just getting "Nav- on-Autopilot" and stop light control for his $10K, not FSD beta!

[@williamgrissom9022]

350 mph landing speed for an airliner sounded too fast, based on what it appears out the window (even sitting high), so looked it up. More like 120 mph typ, 190 mph max for a 737 or 747. Even an F-16 fighter which handles poorly at low speeds, lands ~180 mph. Some military cargo planes can fly as slow as 55 mph, so presumably can land even slower. I used to see them on slow test flights around Edwards AFB, where they appeared to almost float like the Goodyear Blimp.

[@excelrobot]

Details, details...

[@gphilipc2031]

And this was aired prior to the Putin Invasion of Ukraine. Not to mention 4 to 5 buck gas.

[@foobarrel9046]

*Sandy:* Drops a deuce on the live-show! *Big Surprise:* It was already covered in glitter right outta the tube! Truly the man is a master of manufacturing efficiency! Totally eliminated the need for rolling, cost of tooling, etc. Also it was pinched off in precisely the way to resemble Tesla's 4860 tabless cathode -- sheer genius and a perfect tribute to Maestro Musk himself!

[@ddeboy002]

22-23% degrade from temp going cold. I can tell you that because I live in VT.

[@bortojo]

Octopumps are failing all over Quebec this winter... www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/koe54q/tesla_owners_of_brandnew_model_3_and_y_cars/

[@ddeboy002]

@@bortojo you only need to reboot the car using the scroll wheels and make sure you get the software update. Tesla fixed this.

[@electrictroy2010]

Tesla SAYS they fixed it, but did they really? It takes more than a software update to fix a mechanical flaw. (Plus companies in general will LIE to cover their asses & avoid lawsuits.)

[@electrictroy2010]

Correction: The point was to test the car when unplugged overnight with no heater & COLD started. Owners are reporting battery capacity drops to 30% .

[@wineberryred]

Autonomy is going to kill the side mirror.

[@thomashidderley7512]

It's like watching a horrible person drowning - you don't even want to help them! I do love Sandy, however, the only reason I'm here!

[@MrCarGuy]

Only a horrible person could say something like that.

[@1943vermork]

@@MrCarGuy Poor cry baby 😭, your idol Mr McElroy is outdated and it hurts