Tearing Into The Chevy Bolt EV - Autoline After Hours 385

TOPIC: Chevrolet Bolt EV
SPECIAL GUEST: Sandy Munro, Munro & Associates
NEWS:
04:03 - Tearing Into the Chevy Bolt EV
32:16 - Doctor Data
49:58 - Vehicle Walkaround Feature: 2018 Hyundai Sonata with Chris Chapman, Chief Designer, Hyundai Design Center
PANEL: John McElroy, Autoline.tv; Gary Vasilash, Automotive Design & Production;
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[@mjp0815]

Sandy Munro, you are the perfect guest speaker for this show, love the understated delivery of tons of insider info. Lovely to watch and highly informative.

[@nix4644]

OMG, Sandy Munro is my new hero. Absolutely the best hour and a half You Tube I've ever watched!

[@RayNLA]

Munrolive

[@normt5463]

"When I finally parked it(Bolt) at my home charging station, it had gone 322 miles on a single charge. Not bad for a car rated at 238 miles per charge. Even more impressive was the fact that I didn't really try very hard to get that many miles out of it. I spent plenty of time in traffic, which helped, but there were a few sections that I was moving along at 65-70 mph as well. No matter how you look at it, 322 miles out of a Bolt is pretty impressive." - Ed Hellwig Edmund's

[@thetagmarket1058]

Don't invite Welch again... apart from having absolutely nothing to add to the discussion, he is obsessed with his bloody phone!

[@GH-oi2jf]

The Bolt will charge from 120V at 8 amps or 12 amps. The 60 hour time for a full charge is at 8 amps. At 12 amps it would be 40 hours.

[@allanedwards2347]

The price drop for the Bolt and Bolt EUV got me here. They're definitely making profit on the investment now. Love the bigger rear door/legroom, pano roof, ventilated seats and SuperCruise on the EUV. Keep the regular Bolt as cheap as possible. Give the EUV the extra goodies and then add them to the regular Bolt later on. The refresh really cleaned everything up for the standard Bolt. Battery recall put pressure on them to drop prices. Two wonderful option for any value driven customers looking to get into an EV...

[@KillroyX99]

Munro is a real piece of work. Funny to listen too.

[@marcvanleeuwen5986]

Correction (19:54) Lithium is not a rare earth (metal or element). Relevance of rare earths to EVs is their presence in permanent magnets (though not all EVs have those), not batteries.

[@MrCarGuy]

I remember the i3 cast with Sandy like it was yesterday.

[@FranklySpeaking73]

Thanks for having Sandy for a great discussion. As a technical note, the focus is soft on all cameras. Even watching on my phone I can tell the background is sharper than the people in the foreground. Someone tell Auto line to either re-focus cameras on the guests and/or check the camera backfocus. That’s the reason the image quality looks somewhat degraded, but it really shouldn’t.

[@lupesalex3910]

Sandy Munro is a genius....he should have his own show, and remake the Bolt EV tearing how he did with Model 3

[@bob15479]

Give this man a prize

[@Alexzw92]

Lol, you ask and you shall receive haha

[@brandoYT]

Just shows how dim GM management must be. Bank has to spend, what $100,000 for information. Elephant in the room - long distance driving. 60 hours charging CA to Michigan.

[@shepherdsknoll8]

This guy is in someone’s pocket. I have owned a Model 3 for 4 weeks now. We just completed a 2000 mile trip. We passed a few Bolts, most were doing 40-50 mph, I would guess they were trying to make it to the next charger. If you want range anxiety, I wouldn’t plan a road trip in this car. We sailed from supercharger to supercharger, mostly in the 65- 80 mph range. The Model 3 is quite a road car, I’ve never had anything like it. I guess I’m a fan man (65) but I believe there will be no shortage of buyers for this car. This is the guy who said the Model 3 has the build quality of a Kia. I don’t think so, it really made me laugh. I can get just about anywhere twice as fast, or so it seems, in the Model 3. The power is instantaneous. It doesn’t shift, it just does tremendous speed in complete quiet. I am very glad to have owned this car before 5G and new government regulations in the next 2-3 years. I believe it will be harder to even self drive cars like this due to autonomy. When I was 16, my parents bought a new Pontiac, I’m not sure they even knew the significance of it being a GTO. I can tell you the Model 3 makes that car seem like a bucket of bolts. Hell, it makes my old car, a Lexus GS seem like a bucket of bolts. The advertised 0-60 time of this car is something like 5.2. Having owned 2 Ferraris and 4 Porsches, I would say the actual 0-60 is more like 4.5. I know none of those cars would be able to keep up in the city with the Model 3, and this is not even the dual motor or performance version. I can only think the new roadster will be like the slot cars of my youth, the ones you could barely see, they moved so fast.

[@primecyber1]

there was fit and finish problems with the first iterations of the model 3, they've fixed all that now. However the statements he makes here are really first impressions, he recently finished his tear down. He's completely turned around his position on tesla and their products, believes the model 3 to have the highest gross margins of any EV in the world, knows tesla has the best batteries in the world, really shows how great the model 3 really is imo.

[@electrictroy2010]

Nearly all reviews of the X and S said both cars had fit/finish problems. If just one reviewer was negative I would reject him, but if ALL reviewers say negative things, then the problem actually exists .

[@electrictroy2010]

In this video of the Model 3 disassembly Sandy says the fit and finish is terrible - kzbin.info/www/bejne/eaGmo56FZt1gh9E .

[@waynerussell6401]

@@electrictroy2010 And Lutz the Tesla hater says it is perfect! www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a28008116/tesla-model-3-build-quality-bob-lutz/

[@rbbartho1]

Just purchased 2019 Bolt LT. Having problems with Android Auto. Very sluggish. Using Samsung Galaxy Note 4. Any suggestions??

[@Mrbfgray]

Granite floors are great, I hope the structural integrity exists in the background. ;-)

[@hawkingoh]

I know what you mean... :D

[@MrCarterBaizen]

That first viewer question, did Sandy say the i3 A/C or Volt A/C is undersized? I thought the viewer comment was that the Bolt did not heat up as much as the i3 carbon fiber.

[@dennisl501]

I was confused, as well. The question was about the temperature of an i3, but Mr. Munro commented that the Bolt's A/C was undersized.

[@jpkatz1435]

Loose the guy in the suit!

[@steveholt480]

It’s crazy that Sandy is like, “the Bolt is a bad name, they should call it the lightning or something” and then Ford did Exactly that. They’re so creative.

[@GH-oi2jf]

Munro doesn’t like the Volt, but reports I’ve read indicate that Volt gets high marks from those who have one.

[@bhjuoespbnuo]

22:10 800V system in porsche taycan, not 400V

[@christiansmith-of7dt]

I like to look at things and figure out what else they could do with them that nobody is talking about

[@james5360]

Oshkosh annual get together uses the largest number of FAA air controllers of any airport in the country during the Oshkosh show. P51 ok to land land short, dc3 behind waggle your wings land just past the p51, they never inked the microphone it’s that busy. The was they identify the aircraft is amazing. Next time you go there bring a scanner capable of aircraft frees and listen yourself and be prepared to be amazed. I watched a helicopter fire up his engine the wind up the rotors from the turbine then the pilot called for permission to take off and was told you have 9 seconds to take and literally leaped off the ground to 200 feet plus in less than 5 seconds. You will see takeoff’s and landings that would get you angrily ground at any other airport in the United States other than during Oshkosh. If you’re an aircraft buff and don’t go to Oshkosh your missing out from everything from Kitty Hawk to the latest wide bodies.

[@randolphtorres4172]

THANKSGIVING

[@jeffstone671]

What are they saying "A 11"? "811"? Does this refer to size? Chemistry? Weight to energy density?

[@mesutter]

Not well explained in the discussion. This refers to the battery cathode chemistry, the three components are nickel, cobalt and manganese. An 8-1-1 cathode would be 80% nickel, 10% cobalt and manganese. Cobalt prices are escalating

[@RayNLA]

And the rest is history!

[@marottajoe]

sorry meant to say design and/or performance specs.......

[@jameshoffman552]

The Bolt made it 6 years before it started to blow up, and by that I don't mean sales.

[@MegaWilderness]

What's a 4 door COOP (A hen house with three fire exits?))

[@SWTrailsAndWheels]

No difference between "B" and "V" sound in Spanish either...

[@XxLIVRAxX]

Depends on the dialect, in new world spanish the sounds tends to be the same, however the B sounds is a solid sound done only with the lips while the V sounds is a labiodental sound (both lips and teeth)

[@ketandeshpandeminnesota9830]

Love the show, I have been in the Automotive industry for 17+ years. Wish the Bolt discussion was a little bit more in depth. I can understand that not all can be disclosed as one must purchase the report. I hope you don't mind the comment. Let me know if you welcome suggestions and/or curated content as far as mega trends or karat technical developments, I track it with my work with the Tier 1,2's and others.

[@johncarr123]

Chevy extended the range of the bolt for 2020 and knocked 10 grand off.

[@normt5463]

Down in the middle $20's!

[@brandoYT]

sadly BMW sold off carbon fiber plants. AND the Engineers on the i3 - got bored or BMW ignored them so most moved to other companies. EV-1, Saturn, i3 examples of management dropping products rather than improving. US down trend as 5 China (probably more today) companies working on taxi drones.

[@theevermind]

The adage "You get what you pay for" is not true. It should be "You never get more than you pay for" because you certainly can get less.

[@DocWolph]

"You get what you pay for" means that you can never expect to get more than the amount you paid for a thing. Another way to look at it s "X number of dollars will only buy so much". Don't expect what you would get from a $50K car in a $30K car.

[@tabbycat8511]

One of the dumbest truisms of all time. Probably thought up by a bad salesman.

[@cbcdesign001]

$47,000 wouldn't get you a tyre? According to BBC sport the average cost of F1 tyres in 2013 was £1,300 a set or $1,800 bucks.

[@robertpryor7225]

The has gone up

[@DocWolph]

1:08:25 America: More interested in having the money, than making the stuff that will make the money to have.

[@markjennings2315]

Play at 1.5x speed or your life will be shortened

[@normt5463]

I went 2x!

[@brenthill3241]

Okay I don't have 90 minutes of data to burn on my phone or time in my life I'm. 62. Wheres the part about the Bolt?

[@normt5463]

Just listen to it at 2x speed and skip through the commercials and you'll be done in 40 minutes! Well worth the time!

[@JoelSapp]

good show. Not sure how you make money on this but keep them coming.

[@bimmjim]

They used to make telephones out of wood. I'll bet you didn't know that.

[@dansanger5340]

Sandy Munro criticized GM for spending so much money to develop the Volt. That may be bad for GM, but it's good for the consumer. They get a well-engineered car, not some slapped-together conversion.

[@ElectrifiedStud]

The harsh reality begins at 1:24:30

[@stevebakker6884]

OMG. I am 15 minutes in... I want to know how much the Bolt costs, and they are talking about everything BUT. Sandy even needed a hint on battery cost-THE MOST IMPORTANT COST COMPONENT IN THE CAR!. Hello?! Bless you guys, but if you don't get to the meat soon i'm gonna start bleeding internally.

[@mesutter]

Why didn't you just buy one in California and drive it back? LOL!

[@ericcindycrowder7482]

The Volt is a Volt. The Bolt is technically the Bolt EV. Always say Bolt EV and there's no confusion between the two vehicles.

[@mesutter]

Good point and great suggestion!

[@alexanderhamilton8585]

These guys are so fucking ill prepared, they don't even know what the car they're supposedly reviewing is CALLED! None of them have anything more than a "spin around the block" in one. None of them have any clue about the significance of what this car -- specifically the Chevy Bolt EV -- represents: an affordable 100% electric car that can be charged at HOME...for virtually free. Yes. Free. In fact, better than free. Here's how: when you get an EV, your electric company re-sets your rates to "TIME OF USE" or "EV" or something similar, and the electricity rates for your whole house goes down. For me, it went from $172 a month to $36 a month...and that's INCLUDING the fact that my EV gets driving an astonishing 164 miles every day. So, it's actually better than free. These guys have no clue. An EV is merely a COMPONENT of a total energy management system. Get solar panels on your roof and a battery in the garage, and your energy costs plummet. Once you pay off the solar panels and the battery and the car, all of which should be done in about 5 years, and you're literally driving and powering your house for FREE. THIS is the big picture. Charging up at HOME is a HUGE advantage over going to the nasty ass gas station. GLOBAL WARMING Is a thing, and people like to do the right thing. EV's are MAINTENANCE FREE. They didn't bring up the fact that you NEVER have to get an OIL change, or a TRANSMISSION FLUSH or a BELT REPLACED or any of the other 17,000+ things that can go wrong with an ICE car. These guys are threatened by EVs, because they know everything there is to know about ICE cars and all of that is now totally irrelevant, so they deride, they smirk, they cut, they chop and they chide and it's all just whistling past the graveyard: the graveyard of the internal combustion engine.

[@electrictroy2010]

Except the Volt is an EV too (with 40 miles of range). Many Volt owners don’t burn a single gallon of gasoline .

[@whatisreality9794]

@@alexanderhamilton8585 well said.

[@marottajoe]

Buying cheap is buying twice.

[@bbushbbush833]

Giuseppe Marotta if you have a chance to survive! Cheap is also dangerous!

[@JustinCrediblename]

how many times is getting it free on craigslist buying it?

[@S.A.fair45]

SANDY IS SO HILARIOUS, he looks like he’d rather be watching paint dry 😂😂

[@marottajoe]

Can"t blame Purchasing if the design and/or design specs are not suitable for the intended purpose. Also the procurement methodology needs to be suited for the intended purchase. There needs to be a strategic procurement plan in place. Either that or just single or sole source and live with that outcome. Cheer and great discussion.

[@dlwatib]

Actually you can blame purchasing when they don't evaluate the vendors to determine if they can meet minimal quality standards. But it's really the whole corporate culture, not just purchasing that's to blame when the project fails due to bad purchasing decisions. Purchasing should not be making its decisions in a vacuum. It should be serving in a consultancy capacity to the engineers. The ultimate decision should rest with the engineers. When purchasing buys something unsuitable for purpose that can only occur because there wasn't sufficient communication between purchasing and engineering. There needs to be a real conversation, not just tossing the specs over the transom.

[@theevermind]

Most companies don't bother with consultants because most consultants can't improve their business, don't provide new insight, and cost more than doing it in-house.

[@bbushbbush833]

dMb US companies are enough capable to build what they belive: chinese like to copy, to be sure to make money (any interest in R&D as experimental, so always follower!). China is not real, copy or fake (tall building collapsing, gold outside, elevators shaking inside!).

[@williebradshaw4971]

1:10:16

[@sstearns2]

I wanted to hear about the Bolt, but we mainly got business stories.

[@electrictroy2010]

He discussed the Bolt all the way to minute 30 (half the hour-long show). And besides his customer only paid to tear down the BATTERY not the whole Bolt .

[@BulletSpoung]

As the range go up on EVs people will use public less and less. Charging a EV at home is the cheapest way to drive a EV. If you need to drive longer ranges just drive a large gas car or SUV.

[@rwdplz1]

It's hysterical and pathetic after all these years GM still couldn't develop an EV and had to outsource basically the entire system to LG.

[@MattLesak]

But you have to give them credit that they punted and partnered with a company that knows how to pull it off.

[@areitu]

Suppliers can have a lot more in-house expertise on something that the automaker might not have. GM doesn't have the infrastructure and resources to make it's own batteries, motors, etc. Letting LG Chem and Samsung (who have expertise and production facilities) build things to GM's spec, makes a lot more sense than for GM to do it basically from scratch.

[@dlwatib]

Except that GM used to have all that expertise in house... and when L G Chem makes 60% of the content of the Bolt the GM label becomes relatively meaningless. L G Chem is surely making money on the Bolt. GM is losing at least 7 grand a pop. Which company would you rather be?

[@rwdplz1]

That's the thing: GM should have dominated this market if they had continued development of the EV1 from the 90's, but a few short-sighted idiots on the 14th floor thought it was better to protect the status quo instead of investing in the future, and now the company is paying for it dearly.

[@eddiegardner8232]

I wouldn't say they are paying for it dearly; they have the first decent range affordable electric actually being sold, beating Tesla to market, which means they probably will have the 2nd generation one on the market before the other guys. Usually the 2nd one is the one people are more willing to buy in mass numbers, being reluctant to be early adopters. Remember also, their "customers" are the dealers; the dealers have to buy them in mass before the customers see them lined up on the lot for sale with choice of colors and options; dealers are often not early adopters until they see other dealers making sales in numbers.

[@alexanderhamilton8585]

These guys don't get it.

[@robertpryor7225]

Sonata... For me, gas cars are a dead end and boring

[@brandoYT]

US roads so bad - yes pot holes - people moving to SUV, jeeps, trucks.

[@KillroyX99]

The Chevy Bolt EV has been marked-uped to $52,000??? Good god.

[@dindulogic6103]

when it first came out plus brokerage fees, so yeah

[@gphilipc2031]

✌✌👌👌👍👍

[@gregcollins3404]

They should have called it the "Chev-EV"

[@jmatthewssmith]

Dr. Data?

[@electrictroy2010]

The guy in blue likes sharing data, so they nicknamed him Dr. Data way back in 2011 .

[@larrymiller1380]

All these American companies are making ugly cars why can’t they make cars like Tesla

[@jongee99]

"Breaking down" is all you're going to be doing with a chevy

[@JD-yx7be]

Dolan Dank gm's quality is far better then it was from the 70-00s after the bankruptcy they have far improved.

[@dlwatib]

Besides, this is L G Chem quality we're talking about. GM just buys the kits from L G Chem and puts them together.

[@reycabal946]

a 2nd bk and they will even MORE BETTER lol

[@lupesalex3910]

weak episode.....this should be called "Munro news and whatnuts"

[@electrictroy2010]

What are you talking about? He discussed the Bolt all the way to minute 30. And besides his customer only paid to tear down the BATTERY not the whole Bolt .