Sardonicast 57: Onward, Contagion, Bad Genius

[@coffeebymoonlight3624]

I can't believe they got Shelley Duvall to guest host the podcast!, I had no idea her voice was so deep off-camera!

[@D0NU75]

You thought it was Shelley, but it was him. Adum Jonesen

[@bigsexygoat8]

should have said it 20 more times

[@qualivia]

@@D0NU75 Jojo!.....wait

[@mackielunkey2205]

Donuts Kono Adum Da!

[@dmkq9554]

Im just, constantly watching Ralphs chin, to see when the waveform alights around it

[@bobjoe8893]

DOMKQ i just realized i’ve been doing that this whole time

[@aliveslice]

I guess it's time to spice up their visuals until their fans lose their minds

[@technicallystupid25]

Timecodes: 1:20 : Onward 22:43 : Contagion 47:18 : Bad Genius 1:01:50 : Q&A

[@mr.non3881]

Where's the part where they talk about the panini

[@DivaD-nk2bj]

Awesome, thanks a lot.

[@chewymoviereviews4970]

Onward Characters: Alex: Ian Ralph: The Mom Adum: The stepdad

[@WiloPolis03]

Working closer to a 7 or working closer to a 5?

[@EpicthedogYT]

I watched this movie 3 days ago and I forgot who Ian is

[@dajokahbaby1506]

chewymoviereviews Ralph is thicc as fuck, so it works

[@yeking1893]

Epicthedog the main character

[@chewymoviereviews4970]

@@dajokahbaby1506 he aint fat bruh just a lil thick

[@Joe22245]

I was thinking Guillermo Del Toro would make a good meatball too; clearly Ralph and I are cut from the same cloth.

[@WiloPolis03]

It's in Ralph's Italian blood, he knows who would make good or bad meatballs.

[@shadekazoo540]

Damn same

[@jesseburch6667]

Thank you! Imagine being an animator, getting hired at Pixar (a dream job) thinking you're working on Dungeons & Dragons the Pixar version. Signing an Nda, then being told "actually the twist is it's like modern time in a fantasy world. Start 3d modelling a gas station with dragon-cola vending machines."

[@WiloPolis03]

Ralph is actually energetic in this episode. I am deeply unnerved.

[@azotan1]

He did get his catnip

[@iciajay6891]

He is living it up in his vent.

[@ASofterDayHere]

he's on adderall

[@connorw2k]

So thats why Adam watched The Godfather 1 and 2.

[@willh5901]

Yesss the godfather so excited for that discussion

[@darienwest4748]

The premise of Bad Genius reminds me of Ralph's film "King Candy" in a few ways.

[@malcolmsxs]

Describe

[@darienwest4748]

@@malcolmsxs A kid sees an industry they enjoy and join it (tutoring in Bad Genius, selling candy for charity in King Candy) but then both start entering a more scummy version of that business (Lynn gives out test answers, Glenn begins to pocket the money for himself) with the hopes to gain money for themselves.

[@aliveslice]

Ralphthemoviemaker actually made a movie? Impossible.

[@holosbachstudios9122]

@@aliveslice he made 3 and a lot of shorts

[@irinman3225]

As someone who is from Thailand I can confirm that the editing in most Thai movies is incredibly over the top and silly, and tbh Bad Genius isn't NEARLY as bad as some of the other films I've seen, I almost didn't even notice the exaggerated moments because I'm so used to it being cranked up to 100 in most other movies, I'm really glad Ralph recommended it though, I love hearing how passionate he is about it

[@2devious724]

I started disliking Pixar's character designs around Inside Out and onward (no pun intended). They just seem like they're getting to round and overly cutesy.

[@shawklan27]

This

[@FreyaEinde]

Ever since they perfected that crowd effect on UP they don’t even try with the character designs for people.

[@Antiformed]

spirit of pixar is long gone, as soon as they started doing direct sequels i was kinda done with them. finding dory FUCKING SUCKS. i have NO idea why that film got critical acclaim, it treated fish like toys

[@xxxXKPoPXxxx]

@@Antiformed cuz that was the height of ellen degeneres and her nice persona. It was also a beloved franchise unlike cars.

[@WiloPolis03]

I think Inside Out had great character designs, very charismatic

[@richardsantanna5398]

Soderbergh has said he doesn't want anyone to see one of his movies and think "that's a Soderbergh film". He likes not having any trademarks.

[@chewymoviereviews4970]

This is what I need for the quarantine.

[@RedFridge_]

You should check out the Folding Ideas video on Contagion, his perspective is something along the lines of watching the film to experience the emotions that we're going through now within the boundaries and closure of film

[@MiqelDotCom]

That was excellent!

[@philippeh3904]

Excited that you guys will review the godfather trilogy, I asked Adam on one of his Patreon streams if he ever saw them and he said he didn’t

[@JoaoPedro-jc5fm]

thank God! I needed this. I looked for it yesterday and there was nothing there but my own life's void.

[@jonathansefcik473]

IDK if this'll make Adam even angrier at Creep, but the according to the director the long takes looking at the TV screens were inspired by Michael Haneke

[@thefinkensteads9991]

Onward: Alex- it was FINE. It was ABSOLUTELY FINE.😤

[@WiloPolis03]

Alex: I'm feeling a light to decent 6, tran~

[@igotashake]

Wilo Polis -SITION!

[@anthonyrosenthal3674]

Yes! I’m so happy bad genius can get more recognition now!

[@thrallfan1056]

I feel that a movie about fantasy characters living in the modern day could work but as a war movie. Like imagine magic being a thing and intertwined with modern weaponry and all the different races. Unfortunately both Bright and Onward just take a modern US city setting and just replace the people with fantasy monsters but with none of the cool medieval world building to make each race stand out which just makes it boring.

[@joeinzinga6123]

Thrall Fan I like that idea a lot!

[@alex-ie8tp]

So basically Wizards (1977)?

[@JustJack6719]

@@joeinzinga6123 that could be a comedy war movie

[@sully639]

I’m excited for when they eventually discuss Lawrence of Arabia from ‘62 for I could think of them having a long discussion and Ralph having Macon attack him mid podcast.

[@aryavirsangwan6837]

Pyr I think Macon died in one of Ralph’s reviews

[@sully639]

Aryavir Sangwan perhaps

[@batubalci4071]

Mark Hamill also does Skipps from Regular Show. He's very versatile at voice acting.

[@moondusk8385]

Yes delicious dose of Sardonicast, just what i needed, my anxiety is through the roof lately especially night now. Thank you for helping me distract my worry mind for a while. You guys have made my day. The way Adum was discribing Onward it reminded me of that awful game Life Is Strange 2.

[@liamdude5722]

I wanted to see Onward in theatres. I just couldn't because of coronavirus. Thats why I'm glad it got put on digital so soon

[@CrypticDiabolo]

That 2001 jenkem reference crossover is the most hilarious thing I've seen in a minute lol

[@getmario64]

4:40 technically, Pixar is planning to make new ideas and this movie is becoming a "The Black Cauldron" of unheard Disney film, if it stands out by most few people love or like it.

[@BigTeix]

If you’re going to talk about the poor box office of onward you have to mention the effect of COVID on it. Don’t just act like it was all the movie because you want to tag on it.

[@frankmerker630]

The “prime time” money-making window for Onward all happened before covid escaped China

[@carrot5787]

They went into it specifically wanting to hate it

[@aliveslice]

@@carrot5787 this is such a bullshit argument. I get it, in a way, but you could also say "your expectations were too high so you hated it". You either like it or not.

[@BigTeix]

Passione Nera not a fan of the movie myself but you have to include all the facts if you want to be critical of something.

[@carrot5787]

@@aliveslice it was a joke about Adam, people say that to him a lot

[@samharold9022]

41:01 Adum coughs so much that I have to wipe my headphones just to remain hygienic.

[@fanfan9554]

Sardonicast in a Nutshell raises the cough factor up to 10 so if you're feeling like watching that video bring a hazmat suit

[@Flounderboy15]

There are a bunch of underrated voice actors. Grey Delisle comes to mind.

[@mad_the_monk]

Damn you almost got me; genuinely thought for a second there that Shelly Duvall was gonna host this one

[@randomness928]

I think the main reason that onward didn’t do that well was because of the time it released. Many areas in the world had instructed their citizens to stay indoors and not go see movies or go to any public events. People pretty much couldn’t see the movie.

[@martyjackson4166]

Timmy House It probably would have done slightly better without COVID, but I still think it would have been a box office “disappointment” if not outright bomb. There really wasn’t any anticipation for this film coming out; my girlfriend is a huge Pixar fan (I like the old ones but am not a fan of the new), and she didn’t even realize it was coming out and said “meh” when I asked her if she wanted to see it.

[@ephramoliver5656]

Opposite thoughts than Alex on Onward. Thought it was a cool idea executed blandly. Loved the dynamic between the brothers and that kind of stuff, but I didn't think the gimmick served much of a point.

[@ryanwilliamson4982]

Ok I really liked Bad Genius but when she spent like five minutes trying to remember the last two answers I was like "just put some random letters so what if they get 2 wrong!?"

[@ColombianThunder]

Jesus it's been two weeks already? I put off watching Bad Genius because i thought i had another week. Smh

[@lequay1454]

Same

[@ClearCritique]

You briefly mentioned the film, Traffic. That would be a fantastic film for the three of you to discuss. Plenty to analyze.

[@ianbeach23]

I actually just rewatched The Godfather trilogy earlier this week, so I’m really excited to hear what the Sardy boys have to say about it.

[@animetay]

I saw Onward when it actually first came out into theaters and I enjoyed it I really liked it I watched it the other night with my family and they really liked it too Also tomorrow (April 7th) is my birthday and I am watching Cats the movie for the first time. Oh joy....

[@dajokahbaby1506]

Taylor Hill I mean the only part that was actually creative was that dragon made out of a school.

[@FANKANable]

Are you going to watch the butthole cut or the theatrical release?

[@IW-ow9cp]

@@dajokahbaby1506 So what? He likes it, let him like it.

[@jessec.6876]

@@dajokahbaby1506 so you rate movies based on how creative they are?

[@MrBarborosa]

I hated onward. Thought it was totally worthless.

[@aliveslice]

The Godfather trilogy: great movies about Italians making a bunch of pasta. Nice summary by Ralph.

[@Scottthebassplayer98]

Sure, the Godfather Trilogy is a pretty good choice, but I think we all know deep down that this was a missed opportunity for the Kung Fu Panda trilogy.

[@Scottthebassplayer98]

@Luigi Nastro They really are. Honestly, the 2nd one I just watched recently, and it really is a fantastic film overall. Seriously though, its because of those films that I try not to "judge a book (film) by its cover (title")". Its pretty crazy to think that a film series called "Kung Fu Panda" turned out to be one of the better animated films out there.

[@WiloPolis03]

1:06 Adum's Dr. Phil impression is the greatest thing to ever happen to this podcast

[@GilCAnjos]

13:28 "My brother is my dad now" Success, then. They managed to pander to the teenage girls who wish Tom Holland called Chris Pratt "daddy"

[@MrBump2]

I think when someone referred to Lion King as hypocritical, they were saying that when Simba goes back to confront his past, he's almost killed for it. Only when he realizes he's innocent at the last second then the rest of his pride hear him out and the world shifts in his favor. He didn't really confront or learn from his past, because his past kinda didn't exist from his perspective. I don't really agree with that mindset, I love that movie, but I've heard it a lot.

[@archibaldmoore4514]

One thing I'd like to add, my name on Reddit is Ozymandias_KoK. The KoK comes from "King of Kings" in the poem. I thought I was making a nice poetry name but ended up making a Dick Joke, entirely unintentionally.

[@archibaldmoore4514]

Also I threw the lion king in there so my question had a better chance of getting asked AND IT WORKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHA

[@vjara94]

I love contagion with my soul, is a science fiction movie that focus reasliticly a lot more on the science part. I just love how accurate is to some medical things.

[@thomasgarton3004]

I’m almost confident they added texture to certain fish in Finding Nemo when they re released it in 4K

[@SaltySparrow]

One character just dies out of nowhere because of a sick hotel worker. That was the moment that fucked with me. The character did everything right and got broadsided by it.

[@reedstoltz5112]

Mark Hamill is also fantastic as firelord Ozai in the last airbender. It’s different then his usual voice, super evil in a more epic and menacing way.

[@namenick9057]

Oh shit that's Mark Hamill? That's so cool, I didn't know that lol

[@thecloudpeoplearecoming399]

1:10:50 I think he was reffering to when Scar reveals to everyone that Simba was responsible for Mufasa's death. And Simba gets desjected and only turns the fight around when Scar reveals that he killed Mufasa.

[@Pedrofconde]

Adum's Dr.Phill almost killed me

[@austindyer9795]

I liked Creep a lot more on second viewing as a comedy. It's genuinely unnerving and hilarious from that angle.

[@getmario64]

7:01 I still watch back to back Pixar films so I wanted to have my perspective ranking on this week and the only my favorite Pixar film I love the most and all time favorite films is "WALL-E" Hands down best Pixar sci-fi animated film. Seeing all of them on Disney+

[@breannaw7254]

The Godfather Trilogy!! Yes!! I haven't been able to stop thinking about how much I love those movies!!!

[@benabramowitz18]

Good morning, everyone! Time for the obligatory “PIXAR BAD” comment.

[@GilCAnjos]

Toy Story is overrated, a travesty, a black plague in the history of cinema, it made the world ten times worse just by existing

[@TheJiacheng123]

@@GilCAnjos you fool, none of this would have happened if Snow White and the Seven Dwarves became a flop

[@caiosoares2834]

Don't even get me started of those marvel "movies". They are more like "moving pictures with special effects".

[@spurguvitunhuora9119]

Its been years since ive began telling everyone to see this best Edgar Wright movie that he never made. First time I hear about it anywhere. I still dont know how the hell I found it.

[@gnalkhere]

the bois need to see Schizopolis, Soderbergh's bizarre DIY films

[@joegreenwell5476]

Adam, do you really think the reason that the box office was low for this movie was because people didn't want to see it and not because people worrying about the Coronavirus? The box office for all movies that weekend was really love because people were avoiding the movie theaters.

[@easyprism347]

I'm surprised they didn't mention Tom Kenny when they answered the voice actor question

[@BrothersPingouin]

Creep 2 is actually very different, and I found it much better. It's not really horror, it's more of a character study. Hope Adam sees it one day

[@darklsn]

Biiiiig hype for the godfather trilogy! That's gonna be a sick discussion. I can't wait for the roast of the 3rd one lmao

[@MrBump2]

Oh boy, I'm excited for the Godfather discussion. Most people my age refer to it as a "Boomer movie" and that bothers me. I love them (except Part 3, fuck Part 3).

[@vsauce4678]

Bad Genius is probably my favorite thriller

[@aliveslice]

I don't know why, Ralph has that kid vibe. I'm not sure how old he is but not only it feels like he's the youngest of them all but as if he is a perpetual teenager. And he's got an innocent kid's laugh. I mean there's certain charm to it Wtf am I on about

[@aliveslice]

I found out he's 22 and, okay, makes sense, on the other hand, why are we still here, just to suffer

[@cartoongrump]

Why does KZbin auto-captions think this video is in Korean?

[@Jonboi-jh3xc]

Logan Lucky is great and severally underrated.

[@wawadu2117]

Come on guys I was just about to go to sleep and you gotta go upload

[@TuesdaysArt]

ALF is back! In pog form!

[@iciajay6891]

Omg the Holly Mountain fan art. Sploosh~

[@0axel078]

I think this is one of Matt Damon's best performances. His inability to accept that his wife is dead hits so hard.

[@FortoFight]

I find it ironic that Mr. Robot is owned by Amazon considering the messages in that.

[@sid0100]

USA Today not amazon

[@frankmerker630]

Amazon owns broadcasting rights. ie they pay money to broadcast a show with that message

[@stephenwyatt88]

Wow, we saw a different film with Onward. I think it's wonderful.

[@etngod2725]

Ralph sounds like a masculine and feminen at the same time and it scares me

[@notrdy4thisjelly546]

Steve Blum. King of voice acting.

[@olufolarinoduntan9097]

What are the timestamps for the Q&As?

[@gocookies77]

yes! I loved contagion back when it came out. The virus reminded me of that movie.

[@1997residente]

Can't wait for them to trash Godfather part III: It's literally a cashgrab because Coppola went bankrup. It's despicable.

[@jenniferherrera7722]

Ralph got the oozma kappa thing right

[@zoekyles2760]

Why is the closed caption in korean and speaking about Iphones and chest hairs O_O

[@PHAToregon]

A new Sardonicast, Now I can commence living.

[@vsauce4678]

Bad Genius is an amazing thriller

[@siangchengpang772]

Hey guys, I really want to hear you guys thoughts on Clue (1985)!

[@DefiniteRicardo]

I am sorry but I always laugh at Matt Damon in the hospital scene, I don’t know there is something funny about his face lol, also I remember when the movie was being advertise the focus point was that scene specially

[@cultmoss4482]

Honestly, I thought Onward was the my favourite Pixar movie since Toy Story 3, that being said, I still thought it wasn’t anything that special I just liked it decently, 6/10. The humour was its greatest downfall, but the heart was there, I wouldn’t say it necessarily felt factory made. Coco might have been better, it’s debatable.

[@larrycockslock2677]

Wtf

[@bennettsolomon2881]

Why don’t adum and Ralph follow each other on Twitter? I don’t even know why/how I noticed this, but I don’t think they do

[@ivancorredera4241]

1:12:12 isn’t Seuss a German name. I’ve had an art teacher who told me that it’s incorrect to refer to Seuss as ‘Soos’ but more so ‘Sois’ (Im not German it’s just what he told me).

[@aliveslice]

If I hear someone pronounce s as z before the vowel I just assume it's German. I associate "zoos" with German for "sweet", not Zeus the greek god.

[@aliveslice]

I actually checked it and so, it was pronounced "sois" by the man himself and "zois" would be the correct German pronunciation. So Alex was right about something at least and "soos" is completely wrong 😑

[@tenslein8977]

Why was this reuploaded? I'm sure I've listened to it before.

[@titouancolombe7156]

I really enjoyed Onward personally.

[@ifxthenwhy6202]

I'm have a real Mandela effect moment here, I swear it was called Scalectrix not Scalextric when I was a kid. Anyone else?

[@bugsyn]

I like how the person you’d expect to be depressed, Alex, is just laughing the whole time.

[@aliveslice]

He's not as moody irl as on IHE. Try watching JAR if you wanna see more of that... I recommend "the normal episode" 💁

[@iansmart4158]

Do more Soderbergh on the pod. I've seen most of his films, and even ones I don't love are fascinating. Check out his film HIGH FLYING BIRD. Also shot on an Iphone is a Netflix Movie and came out in 2019. Its super interesting and kind of stealthily beautiful for an Iphone movie. In a way that Unsane wasn't. OUT OF SIGHT SEX LIES & VIDEOTAPE SOLARIS (remake) are probably my favorite films from him.

[@coreyhammond6940]

I feel the same way about Creep about Adum. I wasn't as angry though lol. I thought it sucked but then I saw that a lot of people liked it and I was just like "??? Oh."

[@HenryYSuCanalSobreTodo]

Bruh i lost it when ralph mentioned mcdonald toys

[@treysmith1551]

You guys should read “The Stand”

[@gustavoulguim]

oh i really enjoyed creep

[@rsfilmdiscussionchannel4168]

9:19 Disney did not hype that up, you should be criticising the press (I'm guessing you are but it's annoying that people assume that Disney hyped this up beforehand). Also, that line was improvised by the voice actress, so you can't act like it was thrown in there by a writer or a studio who wanted to get representation points.

[@girlykyuu1185]

oh yeah they didn't pay off a couple of publishers and don't own ABC right? fuck off.

[@aliveslice]

I would buy the part that it was improvised, but it's not like this tiny tiny "gay representation" scenes haven't been made (and edited for some countries) a few times prior.

[@rsfilmdiscussionchannel4168]

@@aliveslice I agree that it's just as weak as Disney's other attempts. I wish they would stop bullshitting around and just give a wide release to a movie where the main character is openly homosexual. Screw the countries that wouldn't approve, just don't release them there. Animated TV shows have honestly been doing gay representation pretty fantastically in the past decade, so I wish that they could replicate that in movies. The best example is probably Paranorman, because whilst the reveal is not until the end of the movie and just in a line of dialogue, not only is it with a major character but it's also vitaly important (because the sister was trying to win him over and this reveal made it clear that he probably isn't going to date her anytime soon, if at all).

[@aliveslice]

@@rsfilmdiscussionchannel4168 I don't know anything about the show you mention nor am I entirely sure if you're being sarcastic or not. I agree that these additions feel disingenuous. If they did a main gay character story that feels as forced as those gay extras that would be even worse. And homophobic countries wouldn't lose anything by not seeing something they don't wanna see. The point is, Disney is more about business than being "inspiring", woke or whatever, and it shows. So _maybe_ this particular line wad improvised, but it's not the only example of their throwaway representation. But it's good to set the record straight.

[@PataJuzmo]

25:12 :p - "worst case scenario", "millions upon millions of people are dying in this", "we'll see" (but yeah the movie has 10x deaths still)

[@saintginseng]

1:02 I agree with that statement

[@jables1able]

Billy West is an awesome voice actor

[@AidanMcGhie]

52:50 Is that the main character from 13 reasons why?

[@Alberich_Prince_of_Dwarves]

Onward seems like such a stale, boring premise but even more so because of the setting being "magical but normal". Also I thought Disney/Pixar's first gay character was the sauna owner in Frozen 1. Guess I was wrong.

[@mikevalenzuela3974]

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