2020 Honda Civic Type R | A Dying Formula

[@t44e6]

Can you defeat the engine noise?

[@savagegeese]

Yes by removing the glove box surround and plastics and removing a wiring harness to module. They did not give you a normal way to turn it off.

[@absboodoo]

Nobody like fake moans, just give it to me the way it is.

[@anAmishGuy]

@@savagegeese That's similar to how you unplug the fake noise box in a GTI/Golf R, except you have to get at it from under the hood (I know, because I scraped up my hand doing it myself when the VW service department wouldn't). Why why why is it like this? It would solve every problem I have with fake engine noise if these companies would just give them an on/off switch so some of us could just turn it off and forget about it forever. Would be the simplest thing in the world.

[@hugolafhugolaf]

Whoever invented the fake engine noise fad should be shot, revived and shot again for good measure.

[@savateiambanoudis6079]

I have an accord 2.0t manual and yes I unplugged the anc module and it eliminated the fake engine noise

[@nickz4993]

You know Honda made a good car when all people have to complain about are the fake vents.

[@ehtostaf3286]

Well said

[@ianholmquist8492]

And how they overheat on track

[@tyler9703]

@@ianholmquist8492 Watch the video.

[@giovanhagar]

What about the problem with transmission grinding?

[@phw340]

@@giovanhagar not sure if they made any improvements but I have a 2019 CTR and never had any issues with grinding. I think mostly is 2017-2018 cars, but not to say 2019 cars don’t have this issue but I don’t hear about as many complaints. As far as the overheating they opened up the grill to help with that but plenty of cars over heat on the track if you aren’t careful. You have to remember it’s turbo four cylinder so it’s going to make some heat but from what I understand it’s not every CTR that gets tracked over heats.

[@RedlineGaming007]

14:10 You can see how well Type-R eat that corner on Mark's face.

[@challengeaginglife]

I’m a 73 year old movement junky, I respect Honda’s constant quest for excellence, so rare these days because of the values it embraces. Loved Honda ever since I spent some time in my little brothers 1993 white NSX, but I was not in a position to pluck down 30+K for this car. I did drive a 2013 SI and liked it, at less then 1/2 the price. But then while finalizing a deal for my wife at the Hyundai dealership, I noticed the intention of design of a black coupe. Crouched down and ready to pounce the lines just intersected and murmured... speed. Well after a test drive where I did make the sales rep stammer. A couple of weeks of back and forth later and she was mine. The car has limitations even with the 6speed Manuel. Naturally aspirated 3.8 liter V6, revs out to 7000 Rpm, track tuned suspension, brembo stopping power, limited slip, REAR WHEEL DRIVE, and the best seats and driving position, you can see out of the damn thing🤭 2015 Genesis coupe 3.8 Rspec.

[@lotsofcurveslover]

challengeaginglife I’ve eyed out the R-spec before. So you like it? It does sound like a great bang for the buck. Any issues?

[@jwardTLS]

another amazing video. Outside of some brake pad woes I went through with Carbotech for the track, the Type R is an amazing car. I considered upgrading from my 2019 to the 2020 but it's just not enough additional value for me to trade up. Maybe I am weird, but at 37 years old I have no issues with the styling but I also love my german car styling as well. I don't take a hard stance on the flashiness of the Type R aesthetic vs. my much more refined B9 S4 or E92 M3. I love them all. This video sums up the Type R so well. I would encourage anyone considering one of these cars to take what this video says to heart. As someone who has owned this for 16 months now I love it and added a few cooling bits like upgraded intercooler, also upgraded to a Mugen steering wheel and short shifter/knob...with some good tires it's really an amazing "do everything" car. It's more enjoyable at Road America than my M3, and it's practical with the hatch space and 4 doors and the Comfort mode of adaptive dampening is really amazing for what this car is. I do have concerns about the computers in the car as it ages and reliability over time which is completely unproven, but I think as Mark says - you need to weigh everything when it comes to cars, and something to weigh is "if you want a modern car, you will potentially sacrifice some autonomy and ability to DIY fix some things or maintain your car on the cheap" but the upside in this case is that there really isn't anything that does what the Type R does for a driving enthusiast as a daily, practical machine. And to those of us who have bought the car, it's well worth it.

[@BigBear--]

All you really need for these more modern cars is a decent scanner, that has bidirectional controls, which you can pick up for around $300-$500 on places like Amazon. With that in hand and some googling skills, or even better a personal subscription to ALLDATA, you can DIY anything.

[@MrVaderino]

please Honda: get us a new S2000 COUPE/RWD around this engine! Pleeease

[@felixf5211]

Now that's a car I'd consider buying!

[@bassandspaceable]

Thing would snap. These bigger more powerful engines just require more robust components and that would make the S2000 cost $60k+. Plus the frame would have to be completely redesigned. It wouldn't be the same car you know and love (cough cough Toyota Supra)

[@rudigerjones4798]

@@bassandspaceable If honda made a new s2000 it would probably be an excellent car and at 60k people would still buy it, I know I would. Honda completely delivered on the type r the car community in the real world loves it unlike the supra. Honda wouldn't fuck up the s2000 like Toyota did the supra. Just because the s2k will be different from the older one doesn't mean it won't be better. The new type r is more fun than any other type r it's the first one to be serious attempt at being a sports car. It's leaps and bound different from the older type rs and it's wildly successful and respected. As long as the s2k has a honda engine and a track tuned suspension it will sell just fine. Why you would assume honda would go the route of Toyota makes zero sense.

[@bassandspaceable]

@@rudigerjones4798 I actually own a Type R and I came about it because I was in the market for a used S2000 but then saw how expensive they were used. There was a Type R near me for MSRP so I figured I'd just pay 10 grand more for a brand new car. I love the thing! And it was a better decision since I have a 2 year old and the car is child seat compatible! Went for an hour drive this morning in fact. Never gets old

[@DragonKnightX12]

@@bassandspaceable Not bigger and more powerful than the LS engines that have been swapped into the S2K and older MX-5s for years. Mazda still produces the MX-5, and it's still as every bit affordable. Honda could easily build a new S2K with the Turbo 1.5 from the SI to compete with the MX-5 and have a Type-R model with the Turbo 2.0. Maybe Mazda would even respond by packing the ND2 with a Turbo 2.0.

[@ricepony33]

Honda needs to build another S2K with this type of dedication. S25-R releases in 2025. RWD 2.5 liter turbo K series, six speed manual, lightweight folding hardtop, race ready. $40k

[@stephenpeacock8592]

Regulations will hinder the light weight and feel though :(

[@mhdfrb9971]

Hope Honda still make that iconic 3 door hatchback..

[@totalmadnesman]

Probably in the next generation...

[@boygonewhoopdataZZ]

Veloster N.. LOLOLOL.

[@aaronbryan5095]

They'll probably never make something like the EK9 or DC2 Integra Type R ever again, Honda of today just isn't like how they used to be.

[@ShaiyanHossain]

3 door hatches are dead in the Civic type r's primary market: the US also the veloster N is barely a 3 door lmao. they put the half door in not just to stand out but also because they know it wouldn't sell as well otherwise

[@KoolKyurem25]

@@aaronbryan5095 It isn't just Honda being different. It's the entire automotive world and what people want. What the target markets want. Modern car manufacturers can't go back to how they were in the past. And a lot of normal people want different things anyways. I despise crossovers as do many car enthusiasts but we aren't the majority. Small modern families with practicality needs and a desire to sit higher are the majority. It's sad that we won't get a basic car that's also a perfect enthusiast car again. We can always get close in a more modern way.

[@ryox82]

I am going to be 38 this year. Just got a 2020 Si, my first manual, and I am already checking out this, which at first I thought was too much, but promptly realized that I don't care what the plebs think still.

[@gray25xt]

It is encouraging to see a middle aged man who actually takes care of himself and makes an attempt at good health.

[@The1NonlySavior]

I just bought the 2020..and it’s the best car I’ve ever driven. I’ve been wanting a Type r ever since I Laid eyes on the championship white ek version, and finally got one..

[@Tykwa1]

I loved the CTR when it first came out and told myself I would eventually save up and buy one, however the initial price point the local dealers were constantly fisting me with spooked me away, I waited the first year towards the end of that years run, but the prices never quite touched MSRP A local dealer had one up for 65K for half the year before it sold even when I tried peaceful, seriously, and quite angrily attempting at negotiations, I made phone calls out of state and thought I nabbed one two states out, But they were not truthful about the end price (Dealer addons as $500 1 year nitro fill in tires, $500 oil change for a year, $1000 1 year rotations, $1000 bumper to bumper) $3000 over MSRP. They would not take them off even after explaining I would not be travelling over 800 miles for a free rotation and oil change I would rather perform myself, which came to their conclusion of telling me it would void the warranty. They thought since I drove 827 miles I would be happy to drive away with anything new, They were wrong, And I let them know that. I figured the first year was a sham for me so I kept waiting, Same story the next year, And the next, When these new models (2020) hit the floors I again called around even out of state but it was the same exact story, I won't lie Honda's tiny changes keep the hype and price point sky-high. I haven't even test drove this car I thought I wanted but that being said I could not bring myself to EVER pay over msrp for a car (not including legitimate options), Even one I 'thought' I adored. I gave up on it and something honestly sparked in me that wasn't my younger "ricer" days slapping a turbo on a D17 and a bodykit, While shopping around with my now paid trade in and some cash I started some research on other cars, What hit me was honestly the now phasing out Subaru STi, It was me as a true little kid when I first saw Collin Mcrae on TV, Driving that 555 and that oh so sweet sound of the EJ. It's considered an ancient, dinosaur engine of course, It's the last of it's model, and you know what?, I've honestly deep down, have always wanted one since the dawn of miniature intelligence in my tiny brain, I had just forgotten about it. So of course I called around, and i'm striking below MSRP locally!, As in 4-6K UNDER, Compared to the CTR which is typically 5K OVER, That's a savings of 10K Average, I gave it some thought, The only reason I really wanted the CTR was me thinking it was a good deal (If per honda's advertised MSRP) But you have to be willing to buy a used CTR with 15-30K MILES at that point. Don't get me wrong, I am sure this (CTR) is a great starting point for a track car, If FWD is your thing, And I think I speak for a few that may read this that their first car might have been a honda, but do some soul-searching before you sign off on a contract 5K over MSRP, There are other options out there, Do you really, really need a hatch? Do you really, really plan on going to the track, taking the classes?, Think these things out, I don't want to say it but the CTR seems mostly hype, the prices show, If you're willing to pay 42K-48K for a CTR, There is better for you out there, I don't want to call the folks who nab there new CTR'S at MSRP liars, but I tried, and I failed to do so, And that's what turned me away, And that's also why I couldn't pass up on paying 34K for a new 2020 STi at 0.9% (with the recaro's!), And fulfill a real childhood dream, So thank you Honda dealer markups, Thank you.

[@richracing7420]

The ctr is the more refined car in nearly every aspect. Riding in a sti vs the CTR the Subaru feels dated, from interior to engine characteristics. The dynamic suspension, etc aren't necessary for "enthusiasts" like me, they can split the difference on comfortable suspension vs compliant stiffness. The civic platform has the edge there, and the CTR is able to polish it to near perfection for a fwd car. Aesthetics wise I like it, but it's polarising. That being said, I can't buy a car over MSRP, no idea why other people do. Honda let's it happen so no go from me. Not to mention Honda dealers act like the cars sell themselves, which unfortunately they seem to do.

[@deej628]

Welcome to the Subi gang! 18 wrx limited owner here myself.

[@Tykwa1]

@@richracing7420 No doubt it is more refined, And maybe my choice would have changed if the comparison was in a even price field, but is the refined nature worth paying $10k more? As how it is in reality, I'm sure there are much more refined cars that surpass the CTR when it's compared to it's actual real-world price bracket. (Audi,BMW,Mercedes,Lexus,Genesis low to mid models). I'm sure some people stretch their existing budget trying to reach for a CTR's MSRP already, and sadly sign off on an extra markup when they don't realize they end up in an entirely different bracket of vehicles that ask for much more refinement as standard anyways, which is why comparisons against this car are always those in a cheaper bracket (everything that's under 40k). Besides, I don't want to think the dealers intentions in interest rates when they do get someone hooked on the bloated price, It's just not worth it at that price point, unless you pay cash in full, I wouldn't try to shop for one of these again.

[@The1NonlySavior]

I’ve driven both..CTR all the way.

[@jax9074]

@@Tykwa1 have fun replacing your motor at 20k

[@jfmarzulli]

Mark.... I'm in the same boat about the styling. I don't like it. BUT.... I love the HELL out of the fact that Honda makes a car that has styling. Everything else in their lineup could be mistaken for any other car from any other manufacturer. Except for the CTR. In a world of beige, you have to love something that stands out.

[@jasondavis9784]

Thank you for this vid. I value your expert opinion a great deal and I feel like the first Type R vid didn't quite express just how truly incredible this vehicle is. I realize it must've been a bit difficult to fully assess the Type R's abilities, with having the cars owner sitting right beside you haha But you definitely nailed it this time (except this 44y.o. thinks it looks fantastic haha) Looking forward to the next vid !

[@muffin4600]

Man I'm about to drop ~$4k to make my Mazdaspeed 3 more track capable: coilovers, misc suspension bits, radiator and oil cooler, in addition to the brakes and tires I've already got. The type R is extremely appealing to me, it's got all the versatility of a hot hatch and it comes from the factory significantly more track-ready than my car will ever be. The ONLY reason I don't have one yet is because I don't have a second car, and I couldn't bear to watch a new type R rust away from all the road salt. I really envy everyone who owns one of these.

[@brettlarson912]

Life is short & sports cars are meant to be driven! I say get you one, and make a plan to have a second car picked up for winter within the next two years.

[@boygonewhoopdataZZ]

Just get a Veloster N lol...

[@Mgoblagulkablong]

You can easily rustproof any car via aftermarket rustproofing.

[@muffin4600]

@@brettlarson912 yep I'm hoping to get a house in about a year and at that point might go with a winter beater + miata or something. But for now I really can't complain about the Speed3, it's a fun car and does what I need it to do.

[@matthewthecomposer]

Might want to wait for the 2021 Mazda 3 Turbo that was announced

[@edwardhawker9843]

Who else wishes Honda would build us an Integra based on this platform (speaking as the owner of an FK8 Type R..)? It would really cement their renaissance as a proper performance car brand. And it surely wouldn't be that hard (or expensive) to do..?

[@yakuza1970]

I wish Honda would make a toned down more “adult” version exterior-wise. Almost everything about the CTR is appealing to me but that exterior just makes it a solid NO.

[@Mamby]

One of the most informative videos on this car! Thank you

[@aaronelmquist8607]

I think that's the happiest Mr. Goose has been driving a car in quite some time.

[@JACKWEASEL]

OMG I hope America acknowledges Mark as a national treasure! That shout out to Jessica? Idk whatever it was I died laughing!

[@violent_bebop9687]

The most important aspect , is when a car manufacturer produces a car like this - WE BUY ONE. It's not interest, it's delivery of these cars that get them made.

[@talios9751]

Now whose gonna talk about 15k markup that dealers puts on this car? By that stage i got a camaro. Unless honda dictates the price, i am never dealing with them again.

[@Riknos]

The FK8 is a globally released car, the dealer markups are a US only thing...Nothing to do with the car so not relevant.

[@talios9751]

Are you suggesting the cost of the car is not relevant? Would you intentionally give your money to someone you know is ripping you off?

[@7viewerlogic670]

Great video, great car! Only thing I can't get over is that paint color, looks like they clear coated primer.

[@rudigerjones4798]

I have a 2019 Type R in the sonic grey like the one in the video and never have I received such positive attention from driving any car and I'm comparing this from driving an amg in the past, I'm out here out flexing gtrs and ferraris. A lot of journalists will tell you it's ugly and they would be wrong and so far up their own asses that they've lost touch with reality. The styling of the type R is perfectly on point that's why nobody cares about the focus rs rolling up it's design is far too bland dated and out of touch with modern design. I constantly get told how beautiful this car is by car people and non car people from 16 to 70 years old. The opinion of non car people is important because they're not biased they'll give you an honest answer. By in large it is considered a very beautiful car in the eyes of most people that's just a fact people flag me down on a weekly basis. Type Rs are selling and fords are sitting and blowing head gaskets.

[@athfdrizzle]

agree with you dude. I have a 2019 R as well in Aegean Blue. literally the first day I brought it home I got a thumbs up from an older dude (maybe late 50s) at a stop light. and every time I have driven it since then, every weekend (weekend car) I get some folks looking at it whether its sideways, looking back, etc. compliments at gas stations here and there. and this goes on by folks of various ages, not just young. never had this happen to my OEM+ A-Spec, Mugen, and Spoon DC5-S haha.

[@johncampbell335]

1300 comments and 5 thumbs? Come on. Help the guy out a little.

[@brandondan1]

Agreed, especially when the car was new, I'd get a lot of people asking about it at gas stations etc. Glad I didn't let the keyboard warriors make me miss out on an amazing car!

[@d2htornado]

How do you make the ad breaks line up with the segment transitions? Does KZbin give you tools to place the ad breaks? Another bit of attention to detail that keeps me watching your great reviews.

[@aibada6594]

Type R seems like the car to beat in FWD cards, but that the dealership wants for it, I think I would go with something else. For something more affordable, I like the idea of getting Veloster N.

[@maldo72]

I just wish they made a toned-down version (visually). I find the 10 gen civic so good I bought the SI for a daily driver. I really wanted the type R instead for the increased hp and handling but that stupid wing and body areo turned me off.

[@maldo72]

@nepafu666 agreed coupe or sedan like the si .. dont like the hatch

[@jimmydaves]

Honda does make a toned down version of the Type R. It's called the "Sport Line" but Honda is not going to sell it in the USA.

[@sebastiantoplician1093]

Loved the video! As always keep up the great work! Also since you guys have been doing some older cars as well. Have you thought about doing a Nissan 350z? In particular a nismo or clean 07/08 one. Not sure what else you have planned and how you pick between cars, but I just really enjoy your reviews and wish you could review all cars haha

[@GarthGoldberg]

So much better than Doug DeMuro talking eighteen minutes about buttons and switches.

[@DCassidy42]

Honda needs to have the guys who engineer their CBR sport bikes to create a car.

[@cordellej]

vtec dosent kick in on this engine. its actually kicks out. because its a turbo engine v tec is actually on at lower rpm to help the turbo spool up quickly then it shuts off

[@thesilentsk3471]

1:45 Mr Geese’s stunt double

[@alvinhang8721]

What a car. I would love to have the opportunity to drive one

[@jamievidd775]

It's a hell of a car no doubt. And I can even deal with the looks, especially in that gray color, which I think is outstanding. But they aren't discounted. Many dealers were trying to charge 5-8K over MSRP, LOL. But a Camaro 1SS manual is and can be had for less than one of these (mine was $33K)......and it's RWD, still handles great, and will flat out destroy it off the line. As an only car, Type-R. Weekend fun car or if you don't commute-1SS. A 4cyl Civic shouldn't start at $37K IMO.

[@kushmaster131]

Got my new 2020 Type R 2k$ off MSRP.. they can be discounted.

[@pratikpramanik7782]

Really makes me wish Mazda took the 2.5 Turbo Mazda 3 seriously and put a manual in it and maybe even tried to compete with the TypeR

[@theodorekell]

and what are you gonna do with a torsion beam?

[@giusepperocchi2979]

I don't know if it's a drying formula, but I certainly hope it's a drying form.

[@PhonesOnaDailyBasis]

So happy that I subscribe to channel like this

[@seanhenry8030]

As a craft beer swilling millennial with no future, I must admit; this boy racer styling appeals to me.

[@MrSlash00r]

I think everyone was in a meeting and when the engineers mentioned LSD, the designers thought they meant .. LSD.

[@nunofranco4232]

The front looks great, but the back needs sone work. Once you own one it grows on you. Wish it sounded a little meaner.

[@dunggg]

I wondered who designed and produced the CTR seats. Now I know

[@dailytyper8203]

When is the Log R app going to be available???

[@oneanddone7992]

If and when they make the car look not like a cartoon car designed by people on LSD, I will be the first in line to buy one.

[@g.dubyou6263]

I couldn’t put my finger on it, until you said it, at the end. It sounds like a sewing machine. I liked the bottom end power of my Eclipses 4G63s, much better. That seat of the pants feel, was just more exciting in my DSMs, if which I had 5 of, so, I know how they should feel. I just miss my older DSMs. More room, more bottom end but it would definitely blow the front tires off the car, without even thinking about it.

[@deet4895]

The FD2 Civic Type-R remains to be my favorite Civic Type-R of all time.

[@person2186]

1 better is mine - manual handbrake. euro 2016 type-r fk2 (same engine,front suspension,brakes,gearbox,lsd,and a lot other same)

[@person2186]

because it's dying formula this car sells like popcorns. rocking type-r! btw I am also owner

[@alanarzate93]

This car is damn near perfect 👌

[@ztunelover]

This engine is neat, but I want to point out, the AMG M133 and from what i hear the M139 is a more impressive engine from the factory.

[@tymac3306]

I remember that maple leaf commercial

[@davidcharles1601]

Honda should try awd or bring it back like the civic wagon

[@ozstriker4075]

First time I've seen the senior goose with the new skinhead haircut, looks tough

[@ronaldblondeau3883]

you guys didn't say anything about the auto rev match that is a key feature in this car

[@jonathancomsa6386]

Thankfully the new CTR wont look like total ass and hopefully will be improved over this one :)

[@06acc]

Im waiting for the Accord Type-R. Come on Honda

[@Alphapunk2]

what's the name of the paint colour?

[@Zoltec-q1g]

9:00 Fuel cut off at 7000RPM?! WHAT? My econobox has a red line of 7500RPM.

[@pranavp386]

Does it have a turbo tho?

[@Zoltec-q1g]

Pranav P Nope. NA. Never driven a tutbo car ... did not know they have so little revs

[@Dr1ftop1a]

@@Zoltec-q1g They need to tune it for daily driving. You dont just rev it out going to work everyday so the turbo is calibrated for lower RPMs. And there are some other stuff as well.

[@JamieToddBand]

I drove a used 2018 on a whim. I had very little idea of what this was, aside from a couple positive reviews. I came back after a 40 minute drive, in love. Bought a 2019 Sonic Gray, and am very impressed with myself, in that professional reviewers like it as much as I do. I get so many positive comments from strangers on the looks. Go figure. I just wish it looked like my '88 M5!

[@WALSH_GAMING]

I love the exterior

[@paulrobert2249]

I love the new Civic Type R! I shaved 53 seconds off my work commute!

[@StandingUpForBetter]

Must be nice to not have traffic.

[@Dowlphin]

How long is your commute? 😏

[@jessicahayden4522]

🤣🤣facts

[@insayn7995]

That’s a win in my book lol

[@jaygarcia6388]

hahaha

[@nitemare3904]

Once i sat in one of them and thought: Damn, i'm gonna buy this one. Then i remembered that i am broke.

[@JEtienneMusic]

My grim, but privileged reality too 😥🤣

[@MPowerSubie12]

They are half the price now..😂

[@thisismagacountry1318]

Good thing they come off lease in 2 or 3 years with low mileage. That's how I'm getting my 2020 Lexus GS - F with the naturally aspirated V8 in 2022.

[@opadilla123]

Were can i get one half the price unless it was in a wreck and fixed to sell or beat up in a track .

[@jponz85]

@@opadilla123 they are not half priced off that person needs to pass that weed

[@CarStory]

I like the TypeR but I'll never know for sure if I want to buy one because no dealership will let me test drive one.

[@ArchivingClownWorld]

Yeah that's messed up

[@williambellisIII]

Two dealerships let me. Find a used one on a Honda lot, or better yet, on a non-Honda lot.

[@wojtastomal]

I found two of them for rent on Turo near me. They might be available in your area. If i was serious about buying it then I would pay the $100 to have it for a full day and have an extended test drive to make sure I like it. And I wouldn't have to deal with dealership sales people.

[@CarStory]

William Bellis III did they let you test drive a new one?

[@williambellisIII]

Car Story No, but a used one in a test drive setting was totally sufficient for me. I was sold almost immediately.

[@nealewalter]

From earlier patreon sample - Jessica is Mark’s Honda rep.

[@khunopie9159]

When I take my side piece out to the club, I introduce her as my "Honda Rep." Wife has no idea

[@austinfrazier7325]

Mark is cheating on Jack

[@emotionz3]

Austin Frazier I don’t think jack minds, he’s got his own game !

[@derekscheeler4544]

I was deciding among an STI, GTI, CIVIC TYPE R, and Veloster N. Thanks to a silver lining of quarantine, I got to drive every car by myself. The Veloster for me took last place overall. Well after having my mind blown by the type R, I couldn't justify the price because a used STI seemed to be a better deal. I got into a 2016 STI and was told to "take my time" test driving. I slammed it for 45 minutes and gave it a real hard thought and came to a conclusion: I called the Honda dealership and bought my 2020 Type R in the Subaru parking lot that day.

[@sinosikath0420]

I'm kinda in the same spot man, i was set on a sti, then the type r and veloster N came out couldnt decide ended up getting a tacoma because life happened haha. Maybe in 3 years the new sti finally comes out.

[@timkono5645]

I’m coming from a 2016 Sti myself and I like the 2020 type r so much better. I have the 2005 Sti as well and the 2016 doesn’t stack up to that car either imo. I’m not sure if I can put a finger on it, but the engine feels less perky, suspension feels more numb and the car feels like it was being kept from realizing it’s full potential. I guess if I were to choose one word, dull comes to mind. I just had more fun driving the 2005.

[@doctorrobert60]

@@timkono5645 I agree. I think the 2005 is less burdened with mandated safety and emissions equipment, less insulation, thinner glass making the 2005 lighter. This would make it have better power to weight ratio which would make it faster and handle better.

[@khronin]

I walked out of Honda and bought an AWD Stinger GT 3.3TT and it was 3k cheaper.I used that 3k to get an exhaust and geomet rotors all the way around.

[@timkono5645]

@@doctorrobert60 One thing i can notice right away is that the hood is aluminum on the 04/05 sti and believe the roof as well which was done for weight savings. Lastly, there is no antenna as it is integrated into the rear window with the defroster. I also did a side to side visual comparo with the 05 engine and there are more lines and more attachments, which tells me that the engine was updated quite a bit to meet the emmissions regs you mention. it not just optimizes the cars performance with these little tweaks, it also makes the car's overall look very simple.

[@autonewstv86]

"Full stiff to full soft quicker" 😆

[@ltbullitt35]

"Full stiff to full soft quicker" hahaha

[@austinfrazier7325]

These guys are used to that

[@thisismagacountry1318]

Viagra

[@matthewthecomposer]

9% percent stiffer you say? Those are numbers that I can deal with.

[@CarsMeetsBikes]

THIS IS #MAGA COUNTRY opposite of viagra

[@Affalterbach1967]

This godsend car is one of the few reviewed new cars I might actually buy.

[@x6dingle6x]

I have a 18' and love it! Do it!

[@williambellisIII]

x6dingle6x Same! Incredible car.

[@joe718gt4]

I would have bought this if it were out when I was car shopping a few years ago... ended up with an SS 1LE which was just sitting on a lot inconspicuously

[@jponz85]

@@joe718gt4 not a bad choice either way I wouldn't feel bad with an SS

[@mikeh2812]

Looking to buy one now and all I can say is good luck. They’re all sold as soon as they get delivered to someone on the waiting list, probably for $43-$45k

[@StandingUpForBetter]

I am in my mid 40s and I LOVE my 2019 Civic Type R. I guess I am old because I am not going to change a thing! As you get older you value something called a warranty and there is no way I am going to mess that up. If I want to go faster I have FORZA. As a husband and a father of a teenager this car is a keeper for sure. As we get into a time where some people want to electrify everything on 4 wheels I believe drivers cars like the Civic Type R represent the pinnacle of gas powered cars. Sure electric cars may be quicker but there is no better bond between man and machine than a great engine, a balanced chassis and a good manual. This car will stay in our family to remind my children of what cars that were meant to be driven felt like vs the cars that drive you. Aside from the barfing, great job all around. You might want to get that checked out though.

[@jamesvelvet3612]

Civic as the pinnacle of gas powered cars...LMFAO Ok, you like your Civic. Cool. But take your foot off the hyperbole pedal.

[@StandingUpForBetter]

@@jamesvelvet3612 OK. I guess reading carefully does not count. I said cars "like" the Civic Type R but it is not the only one. The way Honda set up the smooth power delivery in this 300+ HP car that gets close to 30 MPGs is pretty impressive and this is all with great reliability so I do stand by my claim that the Type R represents one of the cars that is at the pinnacle of gas powered tech. Did you know, the Type R just set another new record this time on the Suzuka Race Track? Also Engineering Explained has a good explanation of how well designed the Type R engine is: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKXOeICLjpJnntU

[@Christusolus]

That’s why I’m never getting rid of my 8th si. That car is a even further embodiment of truly connecting with your car.

[@pete1972]

looks fun as hell

[@piobu5357]

@Camaro 1968 not ugly, but not everyone will like this flashy happy-go-lucky spaceship styling. I opted for the 2019 mazda 3 sedan instead, just because of the styling alone, even though the Honda is 2x faster and it handles better (there was a 15%off deal at the end of 2019 on the Type-r, making it close in price with my full-spec mazda, so it wasn't the price).

[@tomastylecek7209]

they are incredibly large on the inside, i dont even know why to buy an accord

[@savateiambanoudis6079]

It may be efficient w its space but that's different from a just generally bigger car I have an accord and one of my favorite things is how huge it is highway driving is a breeze as I can use all my cruise control features and basically lay in bed also I regularly have a full car of passengers

[@freddyrosenberg9288]

the Civic and the Accord are both built on the same platform. Eventually, one will be redundant.

[@samuelm5140]

Cheaper insurance?

[@questioner1596]

I like the Civic's hatchback body style, but agree that the Accord has a nicer highway ride. Still waiting for a good replacement for my 1991 Accord wagon, lol

[@troyjollimore4100]

I bought my Civic Touring with a CVT so my wife could switch with me when needed, and because I wanted enough space for her parents to comfortably sit in when they visited. They're both fairly short, but when they got in the back, they complained about headroom getting in and out. THAT is what the Accord is for.

[@diakojim1977]

We need a new S2000 from Honda :(

[@corrodesthefilm]

Agreed but Honda doesn't make high revving engines anymore (if they do they're not available in the US anyway)

[@93mlo]

No , be happy the mx5 is still made and call it a day

[@diakojim1977]

@@93mlo I am very happy that the mx5 still exist and is glorious but a new S2000...That could be EPIC!I can still dream,can i?

[@StarFox85]

@@diakojim1977 with this engine i guess?

[@raresrenga3140]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/eGKUZJmFp7R_Y7s i hope this is real

[@youmongrel]

If they would make something that looks like an Accord perform like this, the 'Rad Dads' market would be through the roof.

[@jedknutson8373]

i'd be all over it...accept those dam claw tail lights...

[@Audfile]

They are driving BMWs and Mercedes. Market is fine.

[@tommieboi707]

If you want an accord, buy an accord. If you like track days, buy this.

[@Audfile]

Besides, rad dads are not going to drive around in something that looks like an origami bird.

[@Driver-xq1nv]

You’re describing the Kia Stinger GT. Rad dads don’t drive those either, sadly.

[@thumpertorque_]

If Honda can make this why can't they just give us the S2000 back?

[@christmasisawesome9348]

Maybe because sports car market gains them less revenue than economy car market? It's still sad tho

[@DragonKnightX12]

@@christmasisawesome9348 True, but they could just partner with Mazda. Take the Miata platform, and make a new S2000 with the Type-R powertrain.

[@KTH96]

Because souping up an existing economy car is much more cost effective than making one from scratch.

[@mugensamurai]

Most of the people who can afford this have a family now and want something practical but still want to live the fast and the furious life.

[@medotorg2720]

An updated S2000 with this engine would be all the sports car most people need, like an engineer's wet dream of a MGB.

[@TheCarCrazyGuy]

I'm 58 and have a 2019 Civic Type R

[@BDFLFUN2]

I'm 46 and I don't. But I do make snarky comments on KZbin.

[@jl1rp]

Picked up a 2020 6 weeks ago and same age.

[@ciello___8307]

How do you like it?

[@quackman]

@@ciello___8307 click on his profile. he's got a few videos on it.

[@felixf5211]

I'm 56. Kinda thinking of considering a CTR as a purchase. The lack of feel put me off, though. I mean, I love to drive and the way the car feels, which in large part includes the feedback from the road, is everything to me.

[@SantanKGhey1234]

Nobody practices "Continual Improvement" as well as the Japanese... Honda with this car is Prime example

[@DragonKnightX12]

Tesla and the Koreans.

[@ValentineL806]

Kaizen Philosophy if am not wrong..

[@vkoutso201]

@@DragonKnightX12 hahaha. Korea is still looking for a character for their brands and Tesla can't even bolt on a bumper straight. Nice one

[@behindthen0thing525]

That's racist

[@ryadhasanahmed5443]

@@vkoutso201 lol that's so true about Tesla build quality is absolute shite

[@manuelperucic253]

As a very happy 41 y.o. 2019 CTR owner, I have to admit I don't feel like its aesthetics may (or should) fit a specific demographic category. As a friend of mine said: "it's a very honest car: its looks speak volumes of what the car is all about". It *looks* aggressive because it has a *very* aggressive soul - which suits me just fine (balding and grey hairs in my beard included :D ).

[@ajunta2270]

Agree

[@DustyPearl-NFL]

What an honest comment!

[@RichAbe23]

I’m 6’4”, own a type r and fit comfortably easy.

[@sc8414]

On the other end of the spectrum, I am 5"1", will I easily be able to push in the clutch? Probably not. Probably why Im still in my old Acura RSX-S.

[@AccordinglySo]

S Curtis clutch is super light. New clutches are easy compared to old Honda clutches

[@Joe_Friday]

@@sc8414 You'll be able to hit the clutch I think. The seat moves up a good bit.

[@1GTASANANDREASCJ]

i'm 6'5" and fit pretty good. Sadly the headrest is too low.

[@sc8414]

@@AccordinglySo it's not necessarily the weight but the length of travel to reach the engagement point.

[@mr.tuckers2848]

8 months later and I still enjoy watching this video- it never gets old! Difference from the first time watching this video vs. now? I own this 2020 Type R now and watching the video is just as good as actually going out for a drive in it.

[@OlegMironov93]

Guilty of the same thing ❤

[@domteewhy52]

Nice to see the changes. Seems like they are finding a balance of updates for the their crowd, but also maintaining their product cost and placement . I still love the hatch style and would rock this thing. Awesome video!

[@apolloandratti7922]

The FK8 will go down in history as one of the last great non-electrified performance Hondas of the Turbo (post-NA) era. Just like the s2000 was a game changer in 1999, the FK8 sent many competitors back to the drawing board. Now bring back the s2000 Honda!

[@poolplexer]

Savagegeese definitely got some of the best editing and quality production around for KZbin

[@TheImperfectGuy]

IT'S A BURNING DESIRE (BURNING DESIRE) TAKES MY HEART AND MY SOUL (WOAHWOAH)

[@sneakybeni]

YES SO MUCH YES

[@christmasisawesome9348]

'CAUSE YOU'RE JUST LIKE A FIRE

[@hansschroedenbach]

Back to them Initial D days.

[@Wydarr]

Mr. Goose, As previously said, your original review was what convinced me to bite the bullet and buy the 2018 MY. To the day, I regularly track it, do shopping runs, and take the kids to daycare. Cheers from Romania!

[@ianholmquist8492]

Does it overheat on track? Many of these do

[@Wydarr]

@@ianholmquist8492 I track it at a 2.6 mi track. I've put the new 2-piece OEM rotors, track pads (Ferodo DS 3.12), braided lines and fluid. All else stock. In 60⁰F weather I can run two laps back to back and then I need to do a cool-down lap. Realistically, I'm happy with it. More laps would mean more aggressive changes and I'm still under the 5 year warranty. Hope it helps, let me know if you need more details.

[@rjung_ch]

Bought mine a year ago after turning 61, best and most fun car I've ever had.

[@jameswillard1]

This car runs circles around any Subaru including the S209. From seating position, steering feedback, shifter feel, ride, body rigidity, interior room and comfort, cornering precision/overall handling, high speed stability, linear power delivery ......I literally can’t think of any area other than perhaps engine sound where this car isn’t so far superior and the fact that it gets there with FWD is like winning an ass kicking contest with only one leg. I’ll admit I thought this car was ridiculous when Honda first announced it was going to do an over 300HP front wheel drive car in a segment that already had (at the time 2017) some great AWD competition but after spending time in one it’s truly a world class driving experience coming from someone who has owned several Porsche GT cars. The fact that it barely depreciates (assuming you can purchase one for MSRP?) and maintains it value also speaks volumes to what a great car it is

[@opadilla123]

Remember there's always going to be a little hate for honda but the truth is there no way subaru is better than Honda to much quality in Honda brand

[@trevorhsu6357]

I'm in my 20s and I still think it looks garish, particularly the faux vents on the front and rear bumpers (I guess there's about one square inch of cutout in the front that's actually functional). Wouldn't mind if the next gen civic was just a heavy refresh of this architecture but then need to change the front and rear bumper covers and get rid of all that black plastic, something I thought they'd do in the refresh but apparently weren't listening. Ohh, and I'd like it if they offered the civic si as a hatch and the sport as a sedan (wouldn't more people with an auto and a semi sporty model prefer a sedan?). I understand why they don't do that though, want to further separate the si from the type r buy having different body styles. Still, for the price, a civic si as a hatch back and with more conservative styling and less rev hang would be just about the perfect daily

[@555sexydrive]

Trevor Hsu better to offer the R as a coupe. I bought the Si only because the hatch looks the worst of the 3 body styles for myself and the coupe reminds me somewhat of my previous Integra 5R. Had a R been offered as a coupe I would have easily grabbed it up.

[@violent_bebop9687]

I agree, I really like the sporty look of the GTI vs Type R

[@randomguy966]

Trevor Hsu I agree, if they would offer a smaller spoiler I would buy it, but it’s just too gaudy.

[@jayh1096]

one issue with the japanese were that they were horrendous at designing cars that on a universal level, doesn't look completely idiotic. If you visit Japan you will know what I mean, although at least within their own culture that's perfectly acceptable and even something to culturally appreciate. However, Jeremey Clarkson got it right that when they had to attract the younger masculine western market, they simply went and adopted a design inspiration that was entirely European. See for example the birth of the Lexus LS400, employing their top designers to sunbathe in sunny california for a few months to observe and then steal styling cues from bits from Mercedes, others from BMW, others from well, Mercedes lol. Another clearer example would be the NSX and Ferrari's at the time. In a sense the JDM design culture is borne out of the Japanese desperation to appeal to the horsepower thirsty Westerner, of course the little twists and subtle changes within them eventually defined what came to be known as the JDM car culture, now looking unique on their own. Yet for some strange reason they still can't quite get it right themselves after all these years. The new NSX for example, completely designed by a white American woman who is also pretty young and kinda hot. On the other hand, the distinctive presence of the E36 is actually quite easy to explain, as that was designed by a Japanese car designer, and it's probably one of the most badass looking BMW's ever made. I'm dreading to find out who designed the LS500 as I consider that my favorite car of all time in terms of pure beauty, fingers crossed the Japanese weaved themselves a metallic masterpiece.

[@555sexydrive]

Jay H the 2nd gen NSX was not completely penned by the lady you are speaking of. She came along after the design was essentially completed and cleaned it up.

[@robertrishel3685]

We love my wife’s 2019 Type R. We put a Delrin shifter knob on it because the OEM knob gets waaaaay too hot in the sun; we tinted the windows and; we fitted 18” Enkei wheels with Michelin PS4 tires 245/40/18’s. Those changes have delivered absolute perfection as a daily driver. Love these cars😍

[@lotsofcurveslover]

Robert Rishel excellent choice of wheels. Those 19’s are stupid and a tire blowout waiting to happen.

[@yoochoob]

Great job on the mods. Practical and aesthetic 👌🏼

[@rudigerjones4798]

@@lotsofcurveslover They're actually 20s and they're there for a reason it's to clear the brakes and increase rigidity in the corners

[@pg7451]

@@rudigerjones4798 try driving those 20's here in the Detroit area. My Evo has 18's with 13.8" rotors, the same exact size as the CTR.

[@TranceFur]

You don’t need 20” or even 19” wheels to clear the CTR’s brakes. They’re not that huge. Supercars with 400+ mm brakes need 20” wheels. The CTR’s work fine with 18”s.

[@Acc0rd79]

I'm 40 and I bought mine last year. I mulled around buying and SUV and saw 40K stickers. I decided to go back and have a look at a Type R as it was 4 door as well, the room inside is huge, almost Accord like just a few years ago! It is so comfortable as well with plenty of power to make it fun for a dad mobile. I love how much room the trunk has so I can toss a stroller and bags in there with ease. I passed on a 2000 Integra Type R back then when they were new and said I would never make that mistake again and bought my current type R and have been so happy with it meeting my needs. If you are considering a WRX STI, go drive one of these, you probably will end up buying them. I wasn't allowed to test drive so I jumped in a Facebook group and asked someone locally if I could drive theirs and they were so friendly and helpful to let me drive it. It's the perfect Dad car for the man who still wants speed in his life! Now, if only they would do an Odyssey or Accord Type R!!!

[@BarnStangz]

THANK YOU FOR USING AN ARBY'S BAG!!!1! That hot dog skit was better than all of Alien: Covenant.

[@danielsongomes8367]

2019 Type R owner here. I appreciate that you sum up the looks very well. You either love it or hate it and it definitely not for everyone. A lot of automotive youtubers miss the point of what this car is and go off about the styling and lots of BS comes out of their mouths. Honda knew what they were designing and thats why the type r is such a desirable car and the value of it remains strong.

[@blakestone75]

Agreed. The styling isn’t really my thing, but I also don’t care enough to say no. It’s the price that I just can’t get to in this stage of my life. So thank you for buying one. Maybe I’ll be able to afford one used one day.

[@marzzgli1278]

I some what agree. Honda could have put that drivetrain, engine and Type R badge into pretty much anything and it would have sold and been special. I mean, I would not buy a Civic HB because I don’t like it’s looks but I would buy a Type R because of the engine/drivetrain.

[@yoochoob]

Danielson Gomes pretty much applies to every vehicle. Can’t please everyone. The critics of the type R are just blabber mouths that couldn’t be objective. I’m not digging the type R, but I respect it and the reasoning behind the design.

[@Beer_Dad1975]

Must be irritating as fuck to wash - bet it dribbles water for ages out of all those nooks and crannies no matter how much you air blast it.

[@kinglumpy6145]

Danielson Gomes what did you pay for it?

[@mmmdef]

40 going on 17 here, that's never going to change. Love my Type R! Nice review.

[@stevethomas760]

Don't give in. 70 going on 30

[@sacco425]

Jack's calves...a godsend. Nice review gents, fell down the rabbit hole this week and it has been a joy to watch.

[@LEORedSun]

This is and will be one of the best sport car for this price range. The only problem is the rear body design. It's not bad but it's just too too...

[@didafm]

I think it is the best one for the money. A bmw 240 would be closest

[@atmartens]

I think that for a while, mostly in the early 2010s Honda/Acura kind of lost their way in sporty cars but they are definitely in the upswing now. Very excited about the new Acura TLX Type S, MDX and the Accord and Civic are great.

[@richardnavratil9661]

Had a 2018 Accord 2.0T manual, traded it in for a 2019 Bullitt, that car (the Accord) makes you want more power, front wheels constantly spinning, but a great sedan. Also, Honda just slashed the manual in the Accord. :(

[@devilmaycry383]

Looking to get a 2019 Type-R near the end of next year really can't wait.

[@MaxSpeedMike]

The 2021 Civic Type R just lapped Suzuka faster than a Ferrari F40. The Type R is an amazing car. Fast in straight line speed, amazing in the corners, and has incredible grip. Tremendously fun to drive.

[@jameshuegli3534]

Technically that was the limited edition Type R that isn’t released yet.

[@diogovieira3362]

I think I will forever like the exterior styling. Maybe its the fact that it looks so extravagant, maybe its the fact that imo looks a lot better than the previous CTR, maybe its both. But I genuinely feel like it looks great, and would rather have it looking the way it does, than a much more subtle thing.

[@gage.krieg13]

Mabey it’s because I’m 17, but I love it too

[@michaelclark3192]

I agree, it's beautiful like most Honda's from about 2003 upwards. I don't get all the hate that this and the WRX get. These cars are very Japanese styled and sort of manga futuristic which is so interesting to look at. I find 90s Japanese cars to have the most bland boring styling which everyone seems to love these days.

[@thefox4746]

Yup it looks great

[@YasssStitch]

14:09 - Jack's face LOL - You know Mr. Savage took some serious corner in 2nd gear when Jack has this look :)

[@VS666]

I'm still in love with that color. absolutely phenomenal video as always Mr. Goose. happy for the improvements, this car deserves it

[@CroutonsRawk]

All these years and i still cant stand the design of this car. Ugh call me old, as fast as this is, i just cant appreciate this

[@CroutonsRawk]

@PARK ewww lol you like the new m3 m4 too?

[@jackarmando]

this is my dream car ever since it came out, I was looking at videos years after years! someone like my age could never pay for this... I'm 23 years old and with some luck in my life, I did it! I achieved my goal and made it happen. my dream came out, and finally, I can get my type R from the honda shop nearby straight out of the showroom. I worked soo hard to get this, I am a driver for work, and in 2020 I exceeded over 120,000km in 1-year sometimes working for 72 hours a week. after my work, I go straight to my office to trade the stock market and crypto, for another 1 to 4 hours I have been going through a lot of depression and I hope this will give me some peace in my mind whenever im sad or depressed. all I just want to say is, believe in yourself and youre dreams, like honda teached me: "The Power Of Dreams"

[@dumbeezy5480]

you buying one cash?

[@jackarmando]

@@dumbeezy5480 yea, more like with a creditcard. :)