Scott Hall - How Roddy Piper Refused Randy Savage Job Match in WCW

[@TitleMatchWrestling]

RIP to the late-great Scott Hall Stream the Full Shoot Interview (2007) ➡titlematchnetwork.com/wrestling-shoot-interviews-results/

[@liquidamerican8543]

Easily some of the best in shoot interviews. His stories were coherent, believable, and well told in a way that made you want to hear more.

[@douglasroseveare7295]

100% agree

[@dr.options]

He speaks the truth. He jobbed for 1-2-3 Kid (Xpac) and got him over big time.

[@BonFire-oj9je]

Yea I think that's what started me off as a fan of 1-2-3 growing up

[@MortonT1958]

Razor Ramon (Scott Hall) really launched the 1-2-3 Kid (X-Pac) into the top-tier.

[@onamattapeeya]

Yeah and when you do it properly the way they did it, then it doesn't destroy your credibility by losing,

[@pandavelli8176]

@@MortonT1958. Sean Waltman is X PAC’s real name

[@poindextertunes]

Sean’s aerial moves were the best in the company at that time

[@jcardoso871]

Scott also came up with the crow sting gimmick. He truly had some of the best ideas for wresting storylines

[@Nayson]

He got people, and that’s probably the most important skill to have in the entertainment business.

[@kingque9704]

I feel like he would’ve made a great promoter if he had his own company

[@roccoz2231]

Scott was just paying it forward. DDP got Scott to ditch the Tom Selleck mustache and grow out the Don Johnson stubble for the Diamond Studd, which Hall later used for the Razor look.

[@jimodirakallumkal5351]

​@roccoz2231 rob lowe not don johnson but same idea

[@JoshuaFante]

Him n Nash were just up on entertainment and what ppl was feeling at that time and bringing that to wrestling. Everyone else was cramping just the old formula down our necks for last 50 yrs... Hall n Nash were smart enough to bring in rap and current pop culture an became pop culture

[@towmater7081]

That was what was great about Scott Hall . He knew the guys who or when they needed a push or what was good for the business.

[@quentinkaasa47]

I doubt he had anything to say about Hulk never doing a job for Savage though.

[@ggggloveking9419]

When he says, "Whats the tape gonna do, give you a rash?" I swear I can hear Razor Ramon coming out 😂

[@OikPoinFive]

that piper was a punk. just like hacksaw and bad news brown were = refusing to job. and none didnt win crap title wise in wwf. no midcard tag titles, no upper midcard ic titles, no world titles. piper the exception but that was at the end of his wwf run.

[@beachcomba]

RIP Scott Hall. What a great story teller. I'd like to add that the crowd in Philly cheers for the heel, and in that Hall/Jericho match they got the pop for the babyface! which makes it all that more impressive.

[@gojirajenkins8528]

Miss that dude for real RIP Razor

[@OikPoinFive]

well what about piper? dont you miss her too? i liked her dress.

[@eljermo]

This dude has got the best shoot interviews of all time. Could listen to him for hours. I wish there were more.

[@amirpourghoureiyan1637]

Wish he was still around, he would've been invaluable on a booking team. For all his vices, Scott really "got" the wrestling business and knew how important the optics are in the match finish.

[@kauzpayne2]

that if if he wanted to be on a writer in the wwe, writer in the wwe as to work long hours, have to move to stanford ct, as travel for ppvs monday night raw and smack down. before the ppv. monday night raw and smackdown there in a conferice room to go over everthing and to see if they need to make last minute changes. p.s. you also have to have a writers degree and know how to write for tv shows and movies.

[@amirpourghoureiyan1637]

@@kauzpayne2 doubt he would've wanted to deal with Vince's team at all lol. TNA and WCW were more traditional booking teams where it was all ex-wrestlers mapping out angles and finishes, letting the wrestlers be natural and do the rest.

[@kauzpayne2]

@@amirpourghoureiyan1637 tna would not have they money to pay him. and wcw only two writes dusty rhodes and kevin.

[@Trumpisgod]

He’s a drunk

[@InYourHeadChangedMan]

What he says here might be one of the reasons he never won the World title, to me he was the real leader of the nWo , he made them cool, maybe he didn't see himself as a top guy but he was

[@ssssssstssssssss]

He didn’t take it seriously enough So never really made it out of the upper mid card. People at the top of WCW not taking things seriously enough was a big reason the WCW failed.

[@MortonT1958]

Once Scott Hall left the AWA and got rid of that ridiculous mustache, he began coming into his own as a heel. RIP Big Guy (you certainly earned it entertaining us for years at a terrible cost to you)!!!

[@jasonbarham5634]

Hall was NWO! Nash even said, without Hall there is no NWO. But also, I heard thru some interviews, Hall never got World strap cause he couldn't stay off drugs and alcohol

[@whyfilmworks5184]

During that time it was hard giving the title to a heel. That's why. Mr perfect didnt have it either.

[@thomashall6288]

​@@whyfilmworks5184 that doesn't work for me brother! Was the problem🎉

[@stevenramirezmistersmokes6379]

OG SCOTT HALL#1 (RIP) THATS WHY U R THE LEGENDARY LEGEND U R...

[@bklynzfranchise]

I was at that nitro when he put Jericho over

[@curthennig9448]

Was it the Spectrum?

[@bklynzfranchise]

@@curthennig9448 yes sir

[@josephgana5746]

Me too

[@glocksNgrippers]

Scott understood the business better than most plus he was selfless and never let his ego take over.

[@theSuperviLLain_est]

‘What are we too close to Portland?’ 😂😂😂

[@TheFailedmessiah]

Hall was one of the least selfish dudes in wrestling. And wrestling is super selfish

[@thesaltybrit9321]

RIP. The kinda guy you want as a friend.

[@nala2425]

I love all these interviews from all these channels, it is so awesome to actually hear from the horse's mouth, whether its Hall, Nash, Shawn, Bret, Taker, Bischoff, etc.

[@Joslyn-x8q]

Razor was my favorite WWF guy from that era. It's interesting to hear his perspective on what they were there to do. He didn't let his ego get in the way of making it entertaining.

[@mikehunt4986]

RIP Scott Hall, Randy Savage, and Roddy Piper. We've lost too many too soon.

[@martinwalton9307]

Hall seemed so sharp, funny and a great storyteller in this shoot, a real shame he could never quite conquer his demons.

[@JayceeGenocide]

There were no "Demons" just Alcoholism.

[@user-qx5nk6qg2b]

He drank because he was insecure and felt sorry for himself. Great entertainer but a loser of a man.

[@downwiththemaster]

​@jayceegenocide4402 🤓

[@BourgeoisBuffoon]

Scott and Terry Funk were true pros. What's good for business. Selfless. Do it for the fans. Rest peacefully.

[@AndrewNewZealand]

Funk maybe. Scott Hall? In your dreams maybe.

[@kevinwright5106]

One of the best 2.5 shoot interviews ever.

[@gras1hoppa420]

I love Scott Hall... he had a lot of respect for Macho.. when Hall first broke in the E, his first program was with Savage .. Savage made him look like a million bucks and Hall never forgot it...

[@sspaay]

I'll say it. Scott Hall was way under rated. He had an uncanny ability to sense what the crowd wanted and give it to them.

[@sandojones5903]

Such a great mind for the business. RIP to the bad guy! 😢

[@gslide06]

Tremendous talent, awesome interview and really unselfish and cared about the product by putting guys over when needed. It makes wrestling way more entertaining when it's NOT predictable. One of Vince's weaknesses in the late 80s and early 90s was being uber predictable.

[@Antihero297]

Amazing. Scott played the cocky wrestler to perfection when he was in character. Behind the scenes he had no ego and was a team player all the way. Cool guy

[@msoi215]

#RIPScottHall #RIPHotRod #RIPMachoMan

[@angeltosome]

“Are we too close to Portland?” 😭 🔥 Fucking killed me

[@dau1enti]

I first learned how smart hall was when I heard him on the old Stone Cold Steve Austin podcast. That had to be a decade ago if not longer

[@Richie2394]

Wow what a genuine human being right there.

[@ffvffv5709]

Perfectly shows what respect he had for Vince and the lack of same for Bischoff, even in the best of his times in WCW. He would of never dreamed switching stuff up like that working for Vince.

[@meherenow793]

always wondered about him spamming the finisher in this match; love this new insight.

[@towmater7081]

Scott Hall was selfless when it came to this business. Really did put guys ahead of himself for the benefit of the show.

[@ReinEngel]

Scott was bulletproof from 1994 onward, and God bless him, he knew it.

[@dspf68]

underrated mind for the business

[@barryjohnson5288]

Scott had a great mind for the business.

[@JohnMoog-ug6bk]

Piper was one of the greatest heels in history, just behind Flair

[@billybadass3056]

he wasn't heel long enough for him to be one of the historical greats... he was heel briefly then turned chaotic and that's pretty much how he stayed thru out his career....

[@gary6754]

Piper from 81 to 86 is the GOAT and i mean in general terms. Guys like Piper and Flair , Lawler, Savage and Austin can't really be viewed in terms of Heels or Babyface. They get over regardless of whether fans are rooting for them or not. The best heels were guys like Blanchard, Schultz

[@victorearl-melton1109]

I'm a Ric Flair guy but Flair got beat clean plenty of times Roddy Piper didn't get beat clean once I'd call that almost even to close to call But flair is still the greatest world champion of all time

[@JohnLancaster-b5x]

This guy had great psychology for putting together matches.

[@liontone]

Hall was an in-ring genius.

[@FantasySportsZen]

My favorite wrestler ever. What a stud.

[@vincesmith2499]

Hall jobbed to Jericho a week AFTER Halloween Havoc, so his memory is a little fuzzy. Hall also got his win back six weeks later.

[@billybarnett63]

Was never a big fan of his but he was a world champ at shoot interviews.

[@WatcherGamingRb]

Scott Hall is a legend!!!

[@N714-d3s]

“Well you must’ve been real popular at Alcatraz. Bet you got a lot of candy bars and cigarettes, ya queer.” 💀😂

[@kwydjebo]

I'm sure Piper got them at the gift shop, since at the time he did that vignette (1997) Alcatraz had been open as a tourist attraction for almost 25 years (1973, it closed, as a Prson, in 1963). I recall wrestlecrap poking at this story, asking the question "Imagine you are on a tour at alcatraz, and you come across Piper sleeping in one of the cells like a deranged homeless man"

[@001Stealth]

I really enjoyed this. 👏

[@johnnynebo]

Rod had a lot of pride. I knew him. Very well. I lived in his house in Oregon for a year. He didn't like Jobbing.

[@johnm5889]

Scott Hall 4LIFE 🤘

[@Zeke1379]

Hall trying to say they needed to put Piper over. Piper is over no matter what when who or how....he's the ultimate heel of this business and a great face(prefer him a heel though)

[@bryansimmons3723]

Hall and Nash were my favorite 2nd tier guys.

[@axelfoley2061]

Hall was a fucking genius. Great wrestling mind

[@Whysobluntpal]

Thinking of Big Kev today. This was his Ride or Die and tbh.. what a Stud

[@Whysobluntpal]

The biggest shame of modern WWE is Scott isn't down there coaching guys with Shawn.

[@dr.floridamanphd]

You could call him a Diamond Stud 😎

[@ShaneOMac131]

The only thing that doesn't jive is that up to the point Hogan jobbed to Piper at Starrcade, Hall/Nash hadn't jobbed to anyone in WCW. At least not televised, idk about live events. Hall is saying they jobbed all the time. They didn't lose as a team until Souled Out the next month. To their credit, they also lost at Superbrawl the month after that as well. Hall pinned at Souled Out, Nash submitted at Superbrawl. Both losses were overturned, however.

[@pc8679]

Jus because he is not afraid to job, doesn’t mean he has to lose all the time 😂

[@ShaneOMac131]

​@pc8679 That's not what im saying. He said, "Hulk saw me and Kev doing jobs for everybody all the time..." They hadn't lost once in WCW at the point he's talking about.

[@pc8679]

@@ShaneOMac131 his point was that, he wouldn’t refuse to job if he was asked to. Bischoff booked him and Kevin to look strong so I wouldn’t put that against them. When asked to lose he wouldn’t refuse because he knew it was fake.

[@zathras11b53]

...jibe... Jive means something different.

[@pc8679]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/o2OlhJ2wibiAns0si=P2t_k6__JK7fHUjW Here he loses clean to Benoit

[@memohdfromwwe_]

What's that tape supposed to do, give you a rash or something? LMAO!

[@mr.green2341]

Hogan never put Savage over either. And Hogan probably wouldn’t have put Piper over either if not for what Hall claimed here about his and Nash’s influence on Hogan.

[@rzn2258]

Vince would have never let his cash cow lose. Times were different back in the days. YOU GUYS ALL TALK SH## ABOUT HOGAN. Including wrestlers.. THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS... HOGAN IS THE REASON THAT WRESTLING BECAME ONE OF THE BIGGEST ENTERTAINMENT ATTRACTIONS IN THE COUNTRY !!!!

[@shoeplayisbad1]

Hogan never beat piper, so he always put piper over

[@volourn9764]

Piper been Hogan multiple times so you lie.

[@JackTorse-b1g]

@@shoeplayisbad1 Hogan always beat Piper, except that one match. But Piper skipped a program with Hogan because he didn't want to do a single job, so he left the cash on the table. Piper was lame as Hogan about jobs.

[@garys4931]

One thing I learned from watching these videos, to be the "top guy," you need a big ego. Everytime a wrestler felt something would hurt their push, they would push back on putting someone over. That is why major players like Rick Rude and Curt Henning were never the "Top Guy." Well deserving of it but they were in it for the passion and pushed for the better of the business. Others were focused on the better of their characters.

[@snydesy]

too close to Portland...Hall is the best brah

[@toptenguy1]

5:06 : "Brass knuckles that don't look like brass knuckles, but we'll call them brass knuckles anyway". /WrestlingBios

[@Hangingwithfarrah]

R. I . P bad guy !!

[@kwashelby2010]

Man that guy really understood the business.

[@andrewbecker3700]

Most of the best "heel click" gimmicks, came from Scott. They changed the whole wrestling landscape. Made it all way more fun. Everyone was "over", irregardless of your alignments. This was something that would NEVER be allowed to happen in WWF/WWE. Vince has to have everything his way.

[@allexsxott187]

Irreguardless isn't a word brother. Its a double negative and cancels itself out. Just an FYI. 😊

[@TVindustries5000]

i never knew they convinced Hogan to lose to Piper at Starrcade 97. thats so awesome. Piper was prolly so paranoid he didnt wanna lose clean and had his guard up too high

[@markula_4040]

It was 1996. Sting was Starrcade '97. And to be perfectly honest, I don't think jobbing to Piper made a lick of sense. Hogan was the champion but he loses a non-title match at WCW's biggest PPV of the year? Should have done that on a Nitro before the PPV, not the PPV itself unless you are going to put the title on Piper.

[@JackTorse-b1g]

If all wrestlers were like Piper, they would go out of business. He was just a selfish prick.

[@soulofanerd9364]

Well the story of Nash open hand slapping Piper to the ground after he came at them in the locker room after a tag match between the Outsiders vs Piper and Flair has definitely been told by Nash and Hall too in other shoots. I believe Disco Inferno and Konan have spoken on it too. Maybe it wasn't fresh on Hall's mind this day because that's probably the story the interviewer is referring to.

[@muzzah100]

What a real legend

[@ernestrivers3736]

What a wrestler

[@JohnDoe-qu7gm]

LOVE how he called it fake.

[@wa2k99]

Why

[@JohnDoe-qu7gm]

@@wa2k99 because so many holier than thou wrestlers get so angry when it’s called fake. It’s f’n fake, give it a rest

[@vikdaddy]

If Hall wasn't so generous in the ring, he would have been a multiple world champion.

[@alwaysamysteryyes2021]

Mad at Piper yet he pointed out Hogan never did jobs before that.

[@ericdravenX00X]

I always Scott told the history of his career very well.. Or just about different things he was involved in over the years..

[@gammasmash1924]

"Wow brother, no one ever stuck up for me before." Well, he was actually sticking up for Savage.

[@robertbarnes5215]

The same people who complain that guys like Piper didn't want to do jobs are the same people who call guys like Koko B Ware a "jobber" like it's an insult. Critical thinking is not the strong suit of wrestling fans. It's a business and it's up to the promoter to decide what is best for his business. You can't hold up a promoter if he doesn't think you're valuable.

[@dr.floridamanphd]

Fans today don’t understand that the tail end of your career you do jobs to put the newer guys over. It’s like you said. They see someone putting others over, and no matter how much drawing power they had, they still think of them as a jobber.

[@JackTorse-b1g]

But Piper never wanted to put anybody over, Hall and Nash di jobs but were not "jobbers". Piper did not believe in himself, and hid from doing jobs nearly his entire career, so we had to see one stupid finish after another, usually ending with Piper getting DQ's. He made things really boring in the ring.

[@ryancribbs9034]

RIP. What a pro.

[@LongIslandNow]

R.I.P to a great mind. Hall came up with the Sting gimmick. He told McMahon how much he admired Kid before he worked in WWF.

[@AAAA-lt9hq]

Scott could be so articulate and think so clearly. It's a shame he could often make such bad choices despite being such a smart guy. As far as Hulk, Savage, and Piper, they had a complicated relationship from the 80s WWF days. Savage and Piper were always in Hulk's shadow, and thus kind of the anti-Hulks, with Savage being something of a tweener (see the Mega Powers split and Macho King turn). I really wish the Kliq had respected Piper more in his later WCW days. Piper, Savage, and Hogan largely laid the groundwork for the Monday Night Wars by making wrestling popular in the 80s. Piper was one of the greatest heels of all time. But it was also known that Piper could be arrogant and refuse to put people over. Piper's logic was if he was beaten cleanly then his mystique would go away and people would stop paying to see him wrestle Hulk. Still, I wish Hall, Nash, and others had given Piper more of the respect he deserved for being the icon Piper was. Hall and Nash were also wise to suck up to Hogan because Hogan still had enough power backstage in the 90s to exert influence over pushes. They made making a strategic alliance with the king of wrestling. If they couldn't have Vince's ear because they were in WCW, having Hulk's ear was the next best thing. As for Macho Man, I don't think he was booked well by Bischoff or Russo. Macho Man just kind of faded into the background like Rick Steiner did once Scott Steiner blew up as Big Poppa Pump. Macho Man and Rick both deserved better than what they got during the later WCW days. As for Bischoff, I think his interaction with Hall shows that Bischoff didn't have the mind for the business that prime era Vince did from the 80s to the Attitude Era. Eric always seemed to me like an on air referee promoted to mid level executive promoted to the head of a broadcasting network's wrestling division. He was not a true promoter with a deep understanding of the business like prime era Vince, Jim Cornette, or Paul Heyman.

[@dr.floridamanphd]

Bischoff didn’t get it. Still doesn’t. Hall understood. It’s about the entertainment value. But it has to look good. It has to look real.

[@JasonQuinn-qq4om]

I agree with Scott. There is no reason Roddy shouldn’t put Macho Man over. I love Roddy but he hates putting anyone over. I think that why he was never World Champion.

[@michaelvazquez7851]

Good interview

[@B.M.F.KingLouis]

Scott must have respected Randy Savage to be that upset Piper didn't put over Savage

[@jonmacintyre9905]

I know he had substance issues, but Hall had a good head for the business and should’ve gotten the main even spot at least once with a world title run.

[@raymondtipton7243]

Yeah he's telling the truth about losing to Chris Jericho...it was Monday Nitro November 3rd 1997 n the Spectrum

[@VazzVegas]

Geez, WCW might still be around if this guy were doing the booking.

[@garethcullen9604]

We’re really in for a treat if this is the start of a continuous dump of Scott Hall shoots from this interview!! 😍😍😍

[@rolliemosley]

I think Scott even lost to Disco and a Luchadore before. Always gave back.

[@Lyricaldeamin]

I could’ve swore I heard Scott tell the story along time ago, but instead of hulk thanking him, it was macho man

[@Wall2000x]

Scott played a character. Is he a good guy? He had his demons.

[@completesentences2125]

I feel like Hall has been known to “embellish” some of his stories, but one thing is for sure…he wasn’t opposed to doing jobs. I have more memories of Hall laying down and looking at the lights than I do of him going over.

[@BruceMichaelFilms]

What stories has he embellished? He’s usually pretty consistent.

[@pandavelli8176]

He was pretty honest about a lot of stories, especially for a pro wrestler

[@completesentences2125]

@@BruceMichaelFilms I don’t believe he was 100% truthful with the stories regarding Shane Douglas, Carl Oullet and others that the kliq sabotaged just out of spite. He always makes it sound like the kliq minded their own business and we’re completely innocent…don’t get me wrong, I’ve been a fan of Scott for many years and still love watching some of those old Razor matches, I just don’t buy everything he says…really, I wouldn’t trust any of the kliq members 😂…except maybe Kid.

[@completesentences2125]

@@BruceMichaelFilms I don’t think he was 100% honest about Shane Douglas, Carl Ouellet and the other careers that were sabotaged out of spite by the Kliq. Scott always tried to make it sound like they were completely innocent but I don’t buy it. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve always been a Hall fan and still love going back and watching some of those old Razor Ramon matches…I just really wouldn’t trust any of the Kliq guys honestly 😂…except maybe Kid.

[@BruceMichaelFilms]

@@completesentences2125 sabotaged out of spite? What could the Kliq have been jealous about Shane Douglas for?

[@wm6065]

Hall’s mixing things up. Piper fought hogan in a rematch after starcade at superbrawl in frisco & I guess didn’t want to put hogan over clean, so savage interfered by giving hogan the taped brass knucks. So same deal & actually it’s worse because hogan put piper over clean but didn’t let hogan win clean. Btw I’m the biggest piper fan ever but hall’s right about this.

[@kellismith4329]

The razor man was one of the greatest

[@TheJohno95]

I miss Scott Hall.

[@drumitar]

Rufus R. Jones died November 13, 1993 (age 60 years) , must not have been that long after Razor did a job for him.

[@zombiesforhands]

True king big RIP

[@uk_toycollector]

Imagine Hall as a booker.

[@metamodernbarbell]

One of the biggest problems in wrestling right now is that you know who will win 90-95% of the matches. Upsets happen way less than they do in real sports. This made sense when you are actually protecting a potential draw from eating a pinfall in TV, but that's rarely the case in the modern era. The lower guy should go over sometimes. Sport isn't top trumps.

[@heyyoohall]

Rip Scott Hall.

[@krisyallowega5487]

I talked with Piper a few times, he was textbook schizophrenic. Everything he said or did was planned out beforehand. He told me that before he went home to his wife and kids he booked himself into a hotel room to try and get into Roderick Toombs mode. Oh, and all of those childhood traumas he had? Totally made up.

[@release_the_Diddy_list]

Scott Hall: Hey, if this is supposed to be a team effort then shouldn’t we all be fine doing a job? [Everyone disliked that]

[@jamesm3657]

To be great, entertain the fans! End of discussion!

[@EllisHall-m9n]

Ita a hall boy thing. All the way back to 1398❤💯

[@azrielnguyen9586]

Best: listen to Hall talk wrestling Worst: Goldberg, Nash, Hogan (Seagal)