I Would NEVER Buy One Of These Cars (Peugeot PureTech)

[@miroslavpodstrasky608]

I have a Citroën C4 with this engine, the car has 110,000 kilometers on it, and it's had issues from the start. The timing belt started falling apart at just 40,000 km, which was replaced under warranty, and it happened again at 70,000 km! After that, it was fine for a while, but at 108,000 km, the car started consuming a lot of oil, likely due to the piston rings on one of the cylinders. The car was regularly serviced at the dealer, oil was always changed at a maximum of 10,000 km, and I only used premium 100-octane gasoline, but still - it didn’t help. :)

[@rafaelsousa8478]

Here's a little story, of a Puretech owner of 6 years. I bought a Citroen C3 III (Puretech 1.2 110hp) back in 2018, when the Puretech problems were still a bit under the radar. Right after the first maintenance, the car started to light up the oil warning light, problem that the dealer where I bought the car never managed to fix. As such, I decided to try another Citroen workshop, which also ran the typical diagnostics and came to the conclusion that the "oil was incorrectly measured / added". They managed to fix this problem by...adding more oil than usual. Back then, they still used the 0W30, and the car behaved normally during the next years. Mind you, I always serviced the car at Citroen, and WAY before the 10 000km limit (usually changed the oil at 7 000). Fast forward to 2024, and 76 000km later, (closing to the official 80 000km or 6 years replacement mentioned by PSA) the wet belt was showing advanced signs of degradation, and fearing for the worse, I decided to replace the wet belt at a Bosch Car Service workshop (who do NOT invalidate car warranties), instead of pushing my luck with the 200km trip to the Citroen workshop. They made clear that the engine issues are so bad that PSA strickly demands to use official parts with the Puretech engines. The mechanic did mention that the engine was looking good, and not clogged at all by the inevitable belt degradation, which in his words was a rare sight. But PSA was already on their third different type of belt, and changed the oil to 0W20. During the next week, we finally get to know by PSA that the engines are now covered with a 160 000km or 10 year warranty, if the wet belt breaks prematurely. As such, I decided to get a bit more information by contacting Citroen. Turns out, in order to get access to this warranty, you MUST maintain your car at an official workshop. I questioned about Bosch Car Service not invalidating car warranties to which I got replied "that is indeed true...but not in this very specific case". Incredible uh? So all in all, PSA gets the win either way. You're either forced to take your car to their workshops, which are expensive, in order to maintain the engine warranty, OR risk going to non officials and pay for a new engine. Lastly, roughly a month later after changing the wet belt, the oil light popped up again. Do the math: Belt changed at 76 000km, light turned on at 79 000. Went to Bosch again, where they topped the oil. The car is currently with 81 000km...and the light came on again. I checked the oil and HALF of it is already missing. There's no way in hell I'm gonna keep up with this, although I absolutely loved the car. So yeah, next week I'll be checking out a few used Hybrid Corollas. PSA, never again.

[@x.kasiouris5503]

Truly horrifying, I'm sorry for what happened to you, I own a 1.0 tsi fabia mk 4, I almost went for the 208 with the puretech motor but besides car presentations I did a lot of research about the motors of these cars

[@davidbrathen2268]

I also had a 2013 mod 308 back in 2020...and found this out with wet belt after I bought the car. Didn't do enough research before buying the car. I couldn't bear these worries about whether the belt would start and crumble, and I had some clutch problems with the car as well. I sold the car and bought an older Corrolla with 240,000 km on the odometer. It still runs just as well almost 4 years later :) Damn shame about the engine problems on the 308. Because the seats are very good on those cars, and I really liked the car.

[@emmanuila7747]

Possible pistons rings stack! plus 0-30 and 0-20 is very thin oil for it. Try 5-30 10-30 then 10-40

[@stragulus]

@@emmanuila7747 You can't just go willy-nilly with the oil here. It requires special additives that keep the belt somewhat alive, or else it will exacerbate the problem, and you definitely do not get any warranty whatsoever anymore. That being said, the warranty was "160k or 10 years if the wet belt breaks prematurely" ?? (Quoting the person you're replying to). That would be quite meaningless, they fail and destroy the engine long before they actually break.

[@simonh870]

It seems that many manufacturers are either cost cutting or struggling to meet emissions due to the number of unreliable engines out there. Buying a newish modern car is a mine field.

[@adriancarter825]

@@simonh870 I’ve gone backwards to a 67 plate Astra got shot of the crossland 71 plate wet belt issue plus it was simply put CRAP

[@simonh870]

@@adriancarter825 The 1.6 petrol from that era was a good engine, the 1.4 could be troublesome especially the turbo version.

[@adriancarter825]

@@simonh870 😱 that’s what I’ve got Astra k 1.4 turbo elite 67 plate , what issues do you know of , it’s on 42 k

[@simonh870]

@@adriancarter825 I think the biggest issue is low speed pre-ignition, we were looking at Astras for my wife as they were good value but the 1.6 had significantly less problems. But there are far more 1.4s on the road so that may account for at least a proportion of the extra failures?

[@adriancarter825]

@@simonh870 I had a Astra k 1.0 turbo eco tec that was a good car

[@bondjamesbond9041]

As an owner that keeps their vehicles a long time, I thoroughly research vehicle reliability. I will only buy petrol Suzuki, Toyota, Honda or selected Mazda vehicles. For example the Suzuki 1.4 Boosterjet turbo engine is chain driven and if properly serviced also very reliable. It also has great economy and is pretty quick too!

[@khalidacosta7133]

Suzuki's are made from BRICS countries. Rough and reliable.

[@bondjamesbond9041]

@@khalidacosta7133 Not completely correct. The Vitara for the UK market is made in Hungary. The Swift IS made in India but the UK market cars are made in Japan. They are not rough but are reliable. BTW some BMWs, Mercedes and Volkswagens ARE made in BRICS countries including China.

[@davidbrathen2268]

what do you think about the mazda 3 after 2013 when it comes to reliability ? It looks like good engines and reliability on those cars...?

[@Gavi-144]

My friend, what reliable car do you recommend for 3-4k? @bondjamesbond9041

[@hanss8092]

I have a m 3 2018 2 liter sky active petrol,95k proper maintanance,zero problems,it has a chain iso a belt,​@@davidbrathen2268

[@PaulRFRT]

Avoid all Stellantis group brands if you are looking for recent and reliable gasoline with after-sales service. Former owners of a 1.2L Puretech 110hp, we only had problems with: faulty segmentation, excess oil consumption from 60000 km, 1L every 1000 km, ventilation broken, belt in the oil to replace, speakers sometimes broken. We understood that keeping this Peugeot would be a financial pit. We sold it to a professional because Peugeot, well aware of the problems with their cars, does not do trade-ins. Thanks for the video

[@DB_Muscle]

Got one of those, the belt went bad at 40k miles, paid £800 for new belt and the oil pump cleaned - now runs fine, looking to sell the car btw 😂

[@Julian-hx9yp]

🤣

[@SirReginaldBlomfield1234]

I hope you find a numpty that doesn't know what they're buying. Good luck.

[@ATICrossX]

Little bit more miles and here comes the oil consumption! haha

[@niceboy60]

Which year is this?

[@DB_Muscle]

​@@niceboy60 2018 Vauxhall

[@tankrs]

I bought my 19 reg 2008 gt line 130hp 4 years ago second hand from a Peugeot dealer. It's now got 65000 on the clock. Have just had timing belt (wet) replaced along with the oil pressure pump, filter, and everything else associated with it for free, including labour. There are no warranties on the car. I was told that the belt was supposed to last for 100,000 miles, that's why they did the work for free. Its a Christmas miracle.

[@-DC-]

Wet Belts are a hard pass for anyone who keeps a car out of Warranty, Absolute dog 💩 idea.

[@gravemind6536]

Even the most careful and meticulous owner gets stung on replacement belt costs. A wet belt combines the worst aspects of a traditional cam belt with the worst aspects of a timing chain together in one awful package. I know a guy with a wet belt 2016 Ford Focus 1.0 Ecoboost at 80k miles he had to spend £1300 on a full service and wet belt replacement and another £300 on a starter motor. My 2016 1.2T Toyota Auris with a timing chain and 85k miles has had nothing besides serviceable items and that obviously means no timing chian issues.

[@Gneeznow]

Ironic that Peugeot went from having some extremely robust engines in the PSA era to these things which you'll be lucky to get 100,000km out of. All the anti-pollution devices and regulations are strangling modern engines, you've now got catalytic converter, EGR valve, DPF, GPF (gasoline particulate filters are now a thing) and it's just adding layers of complexity to engines

[@greghayes5712]

Agree all these modern complex emissions & safety regulations that ultimately should make cars better can be extremely troublesome & unreliable. Funnily enough quality Japanese manufacturers don’t appear to have any of these issues

[@fiery1962]

Yes they do …

[@greghayes5712]

@@fiery1962 examples please ?

[@mlann2333]

Dunno about that.. they shared the 1.6hdi with ford and Volvo as well and that was a disaster. Our old C4 was going to get it's 3rd engine and I said no way and sold it for scrap

[@fiery1962]

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[@andrewnicholls6065]

I bought a 1.2 Corsa brand new in March 2023. Obviously still too young to have issues with the belt but Ive not used any oil apart from the service.

[@TurfShifter]

I got burnt by one of these. 308 SW 58K on the clock. Within a week no oil! Dealer was a massive arse and refused to do anything. Had an oil drop test and it went through 1.2ltr in 150 miles. Finance company got involved. They confirmed it was a failure at point of sale. After 5 months the dealer took the car back and hopefully next week I get my money back plus compensation. The dealer had never heard of these cars having this issue; what an utter bit of billy bull that is.

[@adriancarter825]

@@TurfShifter ohhhh they all say that about wet belts oh no we don’t know about that utter nonsense of course they do

[@johndosh6832]

Did you get your money back in the end?

[@TurfShifter]

@@johndosh6832 Had a letter saying 5 to 7 working days. We are currently on day 6 and so far no money but fingers crossed it will be soon....

[@richardsheil5289]

One thing to note is the belt is quite easy to change. Also oil consumption can be helped by soaking acetone on top of the pistons.

[@S-Ltd1000]

I had a 308 GT line about 5 years ago. It was fine at first but at around 35k it started to throw engine warnings. This was traced to blocked vvt solenoids. First the front inlet and then a year later the exhaust side. As soon as that was fixed I drove it down the road and traded it in on a Mazda3 Skyactiv 2lt which has been utterly reliable. Out of interest I hung around on the 308 group on Facebook and the amount of these things that go belly up on a weekly basis is criminal. Like you say, a lot of people defend this engine stating proper servicing and multiple oil changes per year but if they were well engineered to start with you wouldn't need to mollycoddle them in the first place. Apparently they have now re-engineered them using a chain but no mention if the oil consumption issue being fixed.

[@jgreen8339]

I've had a 2018 208 1.2 puretech 110 for 4.5 years 45,000 miles. Serviced every 10k by main dealer. I've just had the wet belt replaced. It was starting to not look so good (metal chords showing a bit at the edges) so have had it replaced to prevent issues at the dealer. My advice is if you have one, get the belt replaced at no later than 6 yrs 40k miles. Use the correct oil and service at no more than 10k miles. I'm not denying it is a flawed design, it is, and I drive pretty much entirely on motorways which I expect helps. The car has been faultless - only a set of brakes and front tyres have been needed. The engine is lovely to drive, perky, flexible and 45 mpg is my average going up to 50 mpg on a long steady run. I rev to the red line regularly and for me, it burns just shy of 1l per 10k miles so very little. Just my experience.

[@oedothorax]

I've got a 2016 Peugeot 2008 1.2 puretech . Mine was fine at 45,000 miles, but at 50,000 I started to notice it was using more oil than before. Now, at 60,000 miles, it needs 1 litre of oil about every 1000 miles. Still nice to drive though

[@jgreen8339]

@@oedothorax Thank you, that is good to know. I'll keep an eye on the oil level as it approaches 60k miles. Pleased your car is still driving well oil use aside.

[@gravemind6536]

That's pretty poor though. I have a Toyota Auris 1.2T engine with a timing chain and it gets low 40s in the city for MPG 50 MPG rural and 55 MPG on the motorway or long run and my car is heavier and has slightly more power, it also burns no oil or at least not anything measureable between services and is a 2016 on 85k miles. You're maintaining your engine far above that of the average 208 owner too so this is a pretty big L for that engine.

[@Sunny-x7l2u]

My Puretech engine has timing chain . No timing belt. My car is Citroen C3 Aircross. I live in India.

[@eb-chomsky]

I have a Corsa F 1.2T 2020 at 58000km. Changed the belt at a private mechanic last week. The belt had cracks and probably it was going to cause bigger problems if not changed. My warranty period was over already but I wouldn't use the Opel services anyway because they don't even use the correct oil for the maintenance. They are not reliable. I will probably use my car 2 more years max. and then hopefully sell it before it causes issues.

[@younjink42]

I have a 1.2 130cv puretech on my rifter gtline and it's running perfectly, I only change the belt each 45k km and check the oil pan, it's good

[@todor8989]

"Why would you buy a car like this?" Well, I am about to buy one - Citroen C4X Plus, Puretech 1.2, 130hp, Automatic transmition - brand new 24.500 Euros. It's a great looking car, extremely comfortable, spacious with a large boot, nice interior. If serviced on time and in one of their Citroen service centre they will change the belt for free even after the 5y warranty. There is no doubt that Toyota and Honda and many other cars are more reliable, but if you want to have the car only until the end of the guarantee period, then this low price is really something that can convince you buy this one. Checking 3-4 years old Citroen C4 in the market tells me that price depriciation is not that bad either. PS: last year my sister bought a 1 year old Toyota Landcruiser and because of problems with some of the systems the car spent more time in the service rather than by her.

[@x.kasiouris5503]

Maybe you can get something else? Like dunno afar better skoda or seat? Or do the autocredit thing and just not pay the balloon and have a car for way cheaper

[@gravemind6536]

I'll stick to my owned and paid for Toyota Auris with £35 road tax 50mpg + and zero oil burning issues or belt related issues. Flawless reliability and cheap to run happy days.

[@aib0160]

Knowing the issues you'd think the manufacturer would have gone back to a simple chain that would benefit from being sat it's life. Our car is 6 years old and only done 5k miles from new but I intend getting the belt changed next year on its next major service. As the side of the engine and sump needs to come off to do this the cost of the belt change alone is £1k and that's with a trusted independent garage and not the main dealer.

[@steviejaypyne1]

Put it this way, I have purchased a 2023 Vauxhall Astra 1.2 and I have done around 9k miles and my oil light has come on which surprised me as it seems very quick, so quick in fact that it’s due for its first service next month, so watching this video has really made my day.

[@adriancarter825]

Get rid mate I had a crossland belt full off cracks had it changed bought it may just sold it it was a 71 plate on 44k gone back to Astra k 1.4 turbo elite 42k 67 plate

[@Peterkonto]

Had a peugeot 108 with wet belt allure 1.2 suddenly engine oil light used to come with no oil leaks took it to the mechanics and was told timing belt need changing immediately as other rubber parts from belt from perishing was clooging up the engine .Sold it straight away and bought myself a suzuki swift hybrid instead as repair work would have cost a lot of money..

[@edwardwain4435]

Have you owned the 1.2 purtech 130? , when you say avoid this engine, have you actually taken this engine apart? as long as you take it in at the agreed service schedule, mine is on a 17 plate and it's done 65,000 miles with no problems

[@80s_kid.]

My brother has got a 2020 Peugeot 208, it only reached 30 odd thousand on the clock before it went bang, luckily it was just still in warrantee so they Fitted a New Engine free. i told him about the wet belt, and i did tell him to get rid of it asap, but he still has it. it seems they made this engine on purpose to only last a few thousand miles before they go pop. i wouldn't touch one of these even if it was free.. Worst idea for an engine i have ever seen.

[@markelliott1624]

The new 1.2 is now chain driven so psa must of realised that wet belt was a poor idea

[@d.y.8276]

From what year ?

[@markelliott1624]

@d.y.8276 2023/24 the new 1.2 with hybrid tec has a chain driven camshaft rather than wet belt

[@MrOsstis]

​@@markelliott1624hybrid only

[@bormos3]

@@markelliott1624 is it the same with the petrol 2023 version?

[@markelliott1624]

@bormos3 as far as I know they were phasing out the wet belt 1.2 but using up the old units first

[@TheChazas]

What about 1.6L Turbo EP6FDT petrol engines? That also popular Peugeot 3008, Opel Grandland and others use? Not much info about these engines.

[@leemilan5693]

I have vauxhall crossland 2020 broke down in July with a plug failure with the tip coming off and going through the valves, vauxhall main dealer told me a new engine at £9,000 and not covered by warranty as didnt cover plugs and refused to fix uner warranty so took it to private garage which is a very good one and also had the car serviced by vauxhalls every service, the garage quoted approx £2,000 to £2,500 and fixed the problem with head recon and car runs fine until over 2300 revs and goes into limp mode and they have replaced most things and still trying, they phoed vauxhalls several times and they wont give anything away but just say the engines are trouble so still waiting unfortunately, steer clear.

[@VintageLynx]

I drove one with only 300 miles on it and it sounded so rough and unbalanced I though it would conk out. It went well but that roughness....I was glad to hand it back.

[@leewright3460]

Any plans to do a video of alternatives?

[@carig121]

The main cause is the combination of direct injection with wet belt, direct injection unlike indirect injection doesn't clean the admission pipes from recycled oil, this unrecycled oil ends up forming carbon deposit in the combustion chamber affecting piston rings sealing, petrol starts to leak into the oil pan mixing with the engine oil which becomes more and more corrosive because of the petrol's ethanol thus dissolving the rubber belt.

[@Dan-do9cw]

Hello. I own a 1.2 L engine first hand from 2016. Never had the problems you mention, in this video and in other videos i saw regarding this motor. The wet timing belt i cannot judge but worn piston rings....that should color your exhaust or influence the throttle somehow. Second, if they wear out, you should probably try to lower your revs....The peak torque of 205 Nm is obtained at 1750 RPM. The manufactures driving guide recommends to switch speeds (mine is manual) early. I rarely rev over 3000 RPM unless i am on a highway. The top speed is 188 km/h at around 5000 RPM and my most often driving behaviuor is between 2k and 3k RPM. I”m sorry to hear about these problems, but from your video and others video almost identical to yours, I'm on the edge of my seat. And no, never heard of changing/replacing anything once the vehicle is out of warranty, not even timing belts. Thanks for reading !

[@georgelibe7847]

Very nice Peugeot say change early gear I hear it first time it's not a car it's a fragile furniture what a trash

[@stephandolby]

I'm not sure if it's just for hybrid models, but the 1.2 may be chain-driven now.

[@m_lockwood-tj9kv]

Also bits from the belt block the filter in the vacuum pump and can affect the brakes also block the filters in camshaft timing solenoids get blocked,another fault is the inlet valves get covered in black oily gunge on direct injection engines causing judder from engine when driving.

[@rmelilloii]

I have both 😅 2019 Ford 1.0 ecoboost, 2015 Peugeot 1.2 puretech. Not a single issue. I do maintenance on both. That said: the maintenance intervals recommend by both manufacturers is RUBBISH. The Peugeot is a peachy regarding torque/power and economy. If you know cars and how to maintain. No issue at all.

[@gravemind6536]

Okay smart arse how many people who buy these cars even know anything about car maintaince, most don't even know what a wet belt is.

[@johnyb7240]

I have a 3 year old Corsa with this engine. It's done 24K and is a lovely car to drive. Sadly it uses 1 litre of oil every 7 thousand miles.

[@MrOsstis]

1l for 7k miles sounds very good to be honest. In my case 1L of oil per 1k miles which is crazy

[@danielrussell446]

Wow my pure tech 130 Peugeot 308 has done 7000 miles and not used any oil from brand new but what it has done is used lots of coolant last time I had to top up it was almost half a bottle

[@neilwilkinson7488]

Yep had one .... amazingly managed over 100k on original belt .. although was starting to fail and the oil consumption was horrendous, around 1 litre per 1000miles .. so just scrapped it , not worth the hassle and cost of fixing . Would I buy another one ? No chance .

[@harrylee833]

there is a chain conversion kit now!

[@tajanstveni]

Gde su to objavili Pezo inzineri..

[@IAm2024-os9wl]

Driving a Peugeot 208 since 2020 (2015 model), had the timing chain replaced at 115th km and noticed high oil consumption for a year now... time to sell.

[@peterf9456]

No matter how you add all this up these engines had an inherent design flaw and the manufacturer should be accountable for supplying goods NOT fit for purpose and Sued accordingly or modified to chain run FOC

[@erdemolcay1831]

Hey there laddies and lassies.. Got myself one of those, then came close to these kind of videos unfortunately. I have an Opel Corsa 1.2 Puretech 100hp very athletic, good suspension, durable mechanic etc. My car had a belt change in 120.000 km had no problem through that mileage whatsoever. Despite the fact I am a harsh driver. The dealer said, the original belt rubber alloy has been made better and more durable in last 2 years especially. So I am just saying what I am told. All the best from Turkey - Istanbul, Respect to the Scotsman!

[@shaka7594]

I've a 2021 corsa 1.2 turbo SE Premium, what year is yours and what oil type do you recommend the best?

[@erdemolcay1831]

@@shaka7594 I used 5-30w Shell brand oil never had a problem. I highly recommend it.

[@ozemsadventureofrandomstuf252]

Ever since I watched your channel ive become smart with cars. Mind you it’s funny you uploaded the video now because last night was telling my cousin to not buy this very car can you believ it!😂😮 Thanks a lot brother we get wiser and wiser👏🏾

[@jacquesmertens3369]

You can add the new Lancia Ypsilon hybrid to the list, and even the Alfa Romeo Junior. True Italian design, but underneath it's a Peugeot with a turbo-charged PureTech 1.2. Why would you want to turbo-charge a bad engine? To make it wear out even faster? Giving a Lancia or Alfa a French engine is sacrilegeous, no less. What happened to Italian pride? Sergio Marchionne would turn in his grave.

[@danielrussell446]

That’s Stellantis for you

[@madanto2394]

The 1.1 in a 1999 206 should have just stuck with that engine.

[@richarddavey9547]

TU series of engine's pretty bomb proof 👍

[@madanto2394]

@@richarddavey9547 was lethal purely based on the additional .1

[@danielrussell446]

They did until at least 2010 I had the larger 1.4 TU in a c3 mk1 and it was still available but I had a prince engine in my c3 mk2

[@tonykelly799]

Just get it serviced when it's due and change the belt when it's due....like any car simple

[@amanda.m8230]

I have a Citroen C3, 1.2, 2015 plate. I know it's a 3 cylinder engine. I'm having the problem with oil consumption, every 6 weeks I'm putting a half a litre to a litre of oil in. I now have to drive roind with a litre of oil in the boot. Ive never done this with any other car I've owned. I am the second owner, first owner had the car for 7 years, and it had 40k on the clock. I've never known oil consumption like it. Most of my driving is local but i do use the motorway quite frequently too. It seems to run fine other than oil consumption, from a financial point of view i would like to change the car in 18 months. It flew through the MOT with no issues. I wouldnt buy another one, but also im not keen to sell it on as i believe it's a problem.

[@pr9062]

I had a citreoun C3 1.2 2017 puretech. I was putting a litre of oil in it every 800 miles on 40'000 miles...then 1 litre every 300 miles by 45'000....a 5 litre bottle of 0w-30 costs about £50 if you want to keep it a while.

[@avdp9095]

Had a c3, two belts replaced over 300k km.....oil consumption, 1 liter every 500km...... We have now a Suzuki Ignis as 2nd car..... 75% less costs....for maintenance.....and extremly fuel efficient

[@danielrussell446]

By way of update to this the pure tech has now been redesigned as a 1.2 136 mild hybrid and new engines have a timing chain and wet belt has been deleted finally the older wet belt versions of the engine are being ended

[@maxjames7268]

Lol we had a Peugeot 208 with this engine, it was the least of our problems with it🤣🤣

[@robcarroll5628]

Hi. Is the Peugeot 308 diesel 1.5ltr reliable and bulletproof?

[@mandyarnage2530]

I’d love a new 208 so is the electric version solely based on reliability a better option? I know they had wiring loom issues causing traction faults

[@svenujdenica3049]

I bought a c3 83 hp. When it goes over 50,000 I will sell it, and then buy a c3 again, etc. The engine is fantastic. It requires regular maintenance. The engine is fantastic. I work at Citroën, and we have noticed that the atmospherics are much less prone to belt problems than the turbos. The atmospherics change the belt around 80 miles, the turbo 60 miles. On longer distances, they consume less, I repeat, the engine is fantastic!!!

[@cobbler40]

I also love the engine it really has some go in it.

[@robhargraves3805]

But you only want to keep it for 50,000 miles ?

[@svenujdenica3049]

Yes​@@robhargraves3805

[@JoseSilva-xs3jh]

I heard that Peugeot 308 from 2023 for the petrol engine come with timing chain instead of a timing belt. Does anyone knows if that's true ??

[@FergieGlasgow]

My Mrs has a Peugeot 3008 with this 1.2 puretech engine (2018). First time i've heard of these issues so first thing i'll be doing is visually inspecting the belt and finding out if she's stuck to the servicing schedule! Appreciate the advice!

[@danielrussell446]

You can easily see the belt if you take the oil cap off and the belt is below it I check mine monthly in my 2023 Peugeot 308

[@alandoyle3426]

Hi mate any advice wife got a air cross with wet belt issues and car not working got it on fiancé the cat is on recall , and dealer sold it with this recall , Citroen going look at it , do you think she can get out of contract as failed to do a pdi check , thanks

[@craigg7335]

Grandland 1.2 turbo 64k miles had the stop engine immediately light.. no dealer wants to help even under my extended warranty i took put. Pile of crap the more ive read about the engines im shocked this hasnt been in media!

[@Sborticus]

Are there any major problems with the newer 1.2 tce renault engines?

[@scotspie501douglas7]

great video well I had one of these in a vauxhall grandland and the oil light came on when my wife was driving just stopped dead in a dual carriageway in east kilbride,towed it back was ok after a day same thing happened it had been serviced by arnold clark using 0/30w oil since new 27,000 miles had warranty wise cover they did,nt pay out cost me £450 to get sum off and cleaned .contacted vauxhall in linwood and they took it in not covered due to missed service during lockdown when they were only doing breakdowns had to fight for 3x weeks and VX ans arnold clark terrible service from both finally they covered under the special coverage bulletin that I found on line they changed it and ok up to now its in the vauxhall forum about the wet belt issue ,the AA patrolman that came to me lied to me and arnold clark linwood lied what is the motoring people doing about it i,ve had at least 12 people from the forum contact me all with same issue sad state

[@francoandjimtherotties2592]

Hi mate,i bought a grandland x back in March and now getting this problem..... wish id watched your video before i bought one......i took years warranty out so hoping this is covered under it

[@bfc_clarky]

Thankyou for this video. Wanted a DS3, but have now decided against one with a PureTech 1.2 engine. Now favouring one with a 1.6 BlueHDi. Are there any gotchas with the 1.6 BlueHDi engine?

[@raymondvaughan6262]

508 blue hdi adblue great if you if you do a few miles had it 10 year's not doing many miles adblue tank had a lot of trouble three faults new adblue tank fitted 2700 so if doing some good runs now and again be ok if not keep away 👍

[@Pmjs]

I bought a nearly new Peugeot 405 1.6GR in 1993. I had to change the timing belt before 24k miles as per PSAs' recommendation.

[@callumchurch3219]

Does anyone know why they actually fit a wet belt and not a chain what’s the benefit?

[@RoyDavidson-g7g]

My friend has a vauxhall with this engine oil consumption is horrendous 1 litres every 700 miles we have 4 cars honda suzuki nissan diesel toyota all no hassle and big mileages run forever

[@williamferguson1375]

Well I've had two cars with these engines and never had a bit of trouble. Last one had 110k on it when I traded it , current has 60 k and never missed a beat . The early engines did have a problem re wet belt and were subject of recall for early timing belt change. Later cars don't have an issue if oil grade and change intervals are adhered to . The puretech is a better engine than Ford's wet belt ecoboost in my opinion. The puretech has a chain driven oil pump vs the ecoboost belt driven one , and servicing the Puretech is an easy job compared to the ecoboost eg sump removal if required. You can't just keep saying why do manufacturers use tech like wet belts , there's a reason, it's called engine evolution and efficiency. Service these engines properly and they're a great little unit.

[@WK1745]

Why take the risk when there are great alternatives that don't use a wet belt system?

[@EdU-od5ec]

The current mk8 fiesta ecoboost is a dry chain.

[@joh12380]

I've got a 308 GT line I had the problem at 32 k and had new engine fitted which I had done for free under warranty the car is Naw driving exallent with new engine.in.do you have eney advise in keeping the engine working well so I don't get that problem again.

[@TL-xw6fh]

This was a PSA idea, and Ford adopted it in their JV engine development with PSA. Indeed, PSA took engine design and engineering leadership for small gasoline engines in Europe. Ford simply manufactures them.

[@danielrussell446]

That’s totally incorrect the Ford eco boost pre dated the pure tech and is not so easy to replace the belt

[@TL-xw6fh]

@@danielrussell446 PSA introduced the wet belt system in the 1.8L diesel engine in 2008, before the Ecoboost engine in 2012. PSA had design input in the Ford engine, and they introduced the PureTech engine later on.

[@danielrussell446]

@@TL-xw6fh fair enough I hadn’t been aware of the earlier diesel engine I had an early eco boost and now I have a pure tech only issue I have had is coolant use has been higher than expected

[@TL-xw6fh]

@@danielrussell446 No problem! I have inside info, being a Ford engineer during that time :) It is such a tragedy that Ford adopted such a half-baked engineering solution. When I was there, our strategy is only timing chain drive, but higher ups think they know better. History shows that the engineers are right. So sad.

[@OBrazeta]

Toyota Yaris Cross 1.5 116 hp, is this a good alternative engine?

[@wagner251]

Peugeot 208 Gt line owner , wet belt changed at 66,000 £480 , car is fine

[@alanwhite5178]

What about vauxhalls especially new ones are they fitted with wet belt engines?

[@80s_kid.]

Yes Vauxhalls are fitted with Puretech engines, because the Parent company Stellantis owns Vauxhall, Peugeot, Citroen, and i'm sure these engines are fitted to some other modern cars as well, they are a nightmare, Deliberately made to only last so many thousand miles before they go bang.

[@callumgraham9491]

I have a 308 1.2 wet belt was replaced by Peugeot, I’m going through a litre every 200-400 miles!!! I give Peugeot the car to drive and check the oil consumption for days to test it, as it would be classed as catastrophic engine failure, apparently it was within spec for there testing 1 litre max for just over 600 miles 😂 but not once have I got 600 miles out of the car on a litre. There honestly a joke, I proved them to be lying regarding the oil and now I’m banned from the main dealers for arguing with them 😅😂 have no idea what to do now stuck with a scrap car I guess

[@jsivonenVR]

PureTech requires Cope-oil to run - according to the owners. 👌🏻 Any idea whether they still are using wet belts in the latest hybrid engines or not?

[@todor8989]

Citroen C4X Pure tech with 48V mild hybrid, uses chain belts

[@Guccit865]

Buy them new have it serviced by main dealer. I’ve had a Peugeot 208 GT 130BHP no problem. The problem is people scrape together money to buy a used car and just never spend money on proper servicing. I looked at a four year xe jaguar and couldn’t believe they had two Halfords stamps in service book 😂

[@Wonson16]

The should really recall all the 1.2 PureTech and change the new gen belt for them

[@anthonybrown4874]

Worth knowing they introduced a recall to remove the sump inspect clean free of charge however they don't change the belt my lad bought a car against my advice and ASAP had belt changed so hopefully will be OK. Peugeot should have picked up the tab for all the belt changes not charged £500 for basically halving the interval. Not impressed by the brand at all. Sound advice.

[@jasonharris4880]

I did not realise that the car i have brought had a wet belt issue, only brought the car in August 2024 only had 7890miles on the clock, car cost £13800, i know why now 😢 i will run the car to about 10000miles and look for something else, i just brought some roof bars for it costing £259 😢

[@esotericman22]

Who on earth thought that running a rubber belt through hot oil was a good idea? Why would you even consider this? I'm a 56 year old petrol head and have been messing with cars (including many hours on the spanners) for 40 years and I just cannot fathom why they designed this? I'm no design engineer and don't claim to be but what are the supposed advantages of a wet timing belt to justify it's design and production? It seems that no one on the planet can give an answer. It absolutely stinks of companies trying to make more money by designing things that need much more regular maintenance just to stop them dying. And please don't tell me it's engine evolution and emissions control because that is simply 💩. Running a timing belt through oil does nothing for efficiency or emissions control, in fact it is quite the opposite! I wouldn't have a car with these engines if you paid me to own it. Avoid like the flipping plague!!

[@NathanHughes-w1o]

What cars in that price range and as nice to look at would you recommend?

[@ritaschembri2030]

What are your reveiws on the pegeout 2008 sub

[@MANAMAHILAN]

Its old news ... now in india citroen selling with chain not belt.

[@leebradley1977]

You mention that there are better alternatives, can you list them? My son is looking for a budget first car and these were fitting the bill due to stylish looks and some reasonable tech for older motors. Sub 2k cars

[@avdp9095]

Choose a Yaris....

[@mbr8308]

Love the content , currently got a 1.4 astra gtc any info or video you could do on the engines ?

[@DB_Muscle]

just check the belt via removing the oil cap, if cracked replace it immediately, monitor if burns oil as well, bad wet belt makes noise.

[@apolitis1]

wanted to lease the Opel Mokka that shares the same motor (Stellantis)but now I have second thoughts.... I think I'll lease a Lexus UX although the monthly payment is rather steep but better safe than sorry I guess

[@TheStevo1978]

The 1.6 Puretech is chain driven. So this is a bit misleading

[@aManSwanson]

ive heard the new 3008 solved the wet belt problem, is this true?

[@MrOsstis]

No. Only option to take puretech hybrid, which is on chain. But because it's a new combination we don't know it it's reliable. 1.6THP with chain was nightmare too

[@thandontantiso3744]

How about the 1.6 engine from the 208 gti?

[@tirlipirli3722]

Own 208 1.2 no single issues at all 😉 no oil burning

[@kpsig]

Which year is this and how many miles have you logged?

[@Kededian]

What kind of designer thought it was a good idea to let the timing belt soak in (hot)oil?

[@sleepercell9926]

I’ve driven quite a few of these. I think that engine is amazing, particularly in the 308 GT line. I really wanted to buy one of these.

[@phillipoconnell5684]

Thanks

[@ScottishCarClan]

Thank you! - Hope the video was useful.

[@alembicbassman]

My Pug 108 has the Toyota engine used in the Aygo - the Puretech models had a higher spec but wet belts have had so much bad press I went with the lower spec. Residuals are better on the Toyota engine cars too.

[@keithhooper6123]

From legendary XUD 1.9 diesel, to this total crap.I owned Honda vans, 550c. twin cylinder engines.All bought well used,and all three ran with minimal maintenance up to 100,000 miles.

[@charliedrake247]

Is there a chain conversion

[@SirReginaldBlomfield1234]

I bet there isn't 😭😭

[@charliedrake247]

@@SirReginaldBlomfield1234 I would ask my be a good company has a convenient chain conversion kit

[@mdog2501]

The new puretechs are now chain driven.

[@danielrussell446]

No but the belt change is easier than the ford eco boost

[@glembaj]

What a huge disappointment is Peugeot for the last several years. People with old 1.6/2.0 hdi engines easily make 200K miles with no issues whatsoever, and a friend of mine recently paid 1.6K Euros for 1.5 hdi camshaft chain replacement, after 30K miles only. My point is that PSA group right now doesn't have a reliable engine, not even one. The bad news is people still buy these cars cause they look pretty and have a touch of luxury above their class. Peeps obviously dont read user forums and they re too lazy to google just 3 words: peugeot engines reliability. What a mistake.

[@robtt997]

I was told this engine was designed as a joint enterprise between Ford and Peugeot . Is that right ?

[@jdmguy44]

Nope that's not true. They just have the same wet belt design.

[@klaudiuszdata4929]

Diesel engine yes. Not the petrol models

[@danielrussell446]

No that’s not correct both were independently designed it’s actually far easier and cheaper to change the wet belt in the Pure tech than the eco boost

[@brakenoodle105]

Oil consumption? I have a GM turbo diesel showing 101k miles, uses zero oil.

[@cobbler40]

I bought one on the assumption that millions have been sold throughout Europe and it has been in production for a longtime it would be OK from a respected manufacturer. Still could be worse I could have bought an eco boom engine from Ford.

[@goodkingkarlos]

Has the 1.6 got a wetbelt?

[@tomaxon]

I believe they are timing chain on the 1.6

[@peterf9456]

Why has there not been a Corporate Court Writ taken out against these Manufacturers selling goods not fit for purpose or offer wet belt engines to be modified to take upgrade chain drive system

[@GeordiLaForgery]

What a nightmare engine. How is the 1.3 TCe renault petrol engine? I think it started appearing around 2019.

[@-DC-]

Pretty good overall also to be found in the Mercedes GLB200 😉

[@GeordiLaForgery]

@@-DC- I heard that it was co-developed but not identical. Is it wet-belt?

[@jacobthompson8507]

@@GeordiLaForgery If it’s the same engine as my A Class, it’s a chain.

[@shaun2870]

Hi is the Peugeot 108 ok

[@cobbler40]

If you check the condition of the timing belt and have it changed every six years or 65,000 miles and check the oil level regularly and have it serviced that is the best you can do.

[@Uberkeko.]

Even honda had a 1.0 petrol civic with oily belt : the only garbage engine ! At least, they quikly stopped it