Johan Liebert: The Life of the Monster

[@thedarknessofmandy]

The only thing missing from this timeline is how Johan lived with Margot Langer around the time he was 18. This is a major plot point considering how much information he obtained about Mr. Schuwald. Soon after she was killed as well to erase any trace of him same like with the the middle aged couples.

[@SeaGee]

Yes this! That's actually a really important point which I hadn't pieced properly together while making this video. It adds another layer to Johan interactions with Karl as well, considering Johan killed Karl's mother. Thanks for adding it Mandy

[@catto2530]

@@SeaGee wasn't his mother alive ? They showed her in the end or m I mistaken?

[@SeaGee]

Correct, that's my poor wording in my comment. I meant Johan killed "Karl's" mother. I edited it to make some more sense now. Thanks Aastha for pointing that out!

[@catto2530]

@@SeaGee no prblm😚👍

[@Ganmorg]

I had completely forgotten about that! Interesting that the wiki doesn't clarify that it was Johan. I think the most unnerving thing about Johan is his ability to disappear without a trace whenever he wants, hence why a video like this is even needed in the first place.

[@cherirosabella1553]

It's like Anna is the one who went through it, Johan is the one who reacted to the trauma and the rest of the characters took the responsibility for all of this mess

[@Lesaloote]

Isn't it said that twins have a unique intuition or something? A special connection? Could this be why Johan was so convinced he went through Anna's trauma? Or, since a twin is literally an embryo split in two, could it be he thought that justified him taking her memories as his own? Like she is an extension of him. His "other half".

[@cherirosabella1553]

@@Lesaloote maybe but psychologically speaking you can mix up and make up memories after traumatic experiences or being brainwashed and johan happened to have both

[@wanderingbufoon]

@@Lesaloote he went to read a book and was basically in isolation and he thought that was the Red Rose Mansion experience.

[@aquacyanide]

@@Lesaloote I would assume that Kinderheim 511 had a part to do with his memories being distorted as well.

[@WEEBOTAKU493]

@@aquacyanide bro Johan is alive or not

[@rapalborde5211]

One point everyone always misses is that Johan was deprived of an identity since birth. His mom dressed him and made him pass as Anna since he was born. That was for protection so Klaus couldn't find them since everyone thought that his mom only had 1 child so erasing the trace of having twins. That's why Johan says that he is anma and anna is him.

[@fermentingdragon]

it took me months to get through the whole show and by the time i was done i forgot the most crucial information n was more confused than when i started ty for simplifying it so well

[@rapalborde5211]

@@fermentingdragon I'm glad I could help

[@weirdo_dazai.]

O right now I get it!!! I today finished the series and now I'm convinced with your reasoning

[@mymanjohan5101]

Really love the parallel between this and the book, really emphasizes the weight of the trauma they had experienced and how much the story affected johan

[@prima-luce]

As sociopathic as Johan was, you could tell that many of his mental hang ups stemmed from the lifelong belief that his mother had never loved him. He possibly perceived this from the internalization of his sister’s memories as well as his mother’s abandonment of him later. You could see in the scene where he tells a young boy that his mother never wanted him and didn’t love him that he was actually speaking to himself, displacing his own feeling of abandonment and hurt onto another. Thought that was great and subtle dialogue. Additionally, the murders of middle-aged couples could have been a sort of symbolic matricide and patricide. They were arguably the most targeted of all the murders Johan committed, suggesting a more personal motive.

[@marcrozzny7303]

He's just a horrible person bro

[@bloodyidit4506]

@@marcrozzny7303 Thinking that is what causes horrible people. Do you not get that? You're shallow, and don't think much about how you treat others. It's likely you have troubles with people a lot over very stupid things.

[@doomslayer8949]

That doesnt explain his Wiki

[@moondrip2163]

@@marcrozzny7303 But it contributes to the "why" of his being a horrible person. Both Nature and Nurture have a hand in shaping a person. People don't turn into monsters by coincidence.

[@prod.cass212]

sociopath or psychopath? kinda carries traits of both - yes he has attachments to certain people (but more like obsessions with Tenma and Anna) and he is manipulative but that's also part of the textbook phsycopath. Nothing about him is reckless like a sociopath as well, no guilt or empathy whatsoever.

[@androidx4303]

The monster is not just inside of johan, its in everyone one of us.. Johan saw that monster in his mother, in his book, in those guys who to take them away from their mother.he saw it in anna.. The only person he didnt saw it in was dr tenma, thats why he really pushed tenma to his limit by pointing the gun at the children to make him realise that he also possesses that monster... But tenma didn't shoot. because he really believed in him and despised that monster. That monster is the thought of "all lives aren't equal"

[@bishaladhikari3482]

Bro your comments worth others 1000 comments.

[@randomguywhousemakeup]

When I first realise the definition of monster I directly understood why Johan was trying to make tenma kill him

[@eeeeedede]

mans is the definition of "no lives matter"

[@firstlast2386]

This is definitely the theme of the story. Johan was convinced all humans would become monsters eventually but his project failed against Tenma.

[@phanucthanhphat1206]

what do you think about tenma saying that his superior deserved to die for forcing himself to save someone else instead of johan?

[@drew1768]

Johan's quite the amazing character. I'm glad more people are acknowledging him and Monster

[@Johan_Liebert___]

It really is quite nice.

[@Folzysego]

@@Johan_Liebert___ Well look who's here

[@Johan_Liebert___]

@@Folzysego >:)

[@geminislytherin949]

@@Johan_Liebert___ hello there how you been

[@Robust-d7u]

@@Johan_Liebert___ Hello Mr. Liebert, how's life after that gunshot wound?

[@laurocoman]

The story feels so different told this way. From Tenma's point of view, there are very small pieces of information and all of them are hard-earned or out of order, he doesn't have a clear picture of it all until the very end. The story told in the way of this video is more clean and digestable, as if you were giving a lecture of Monster. Great job.

[@SeaGee]

Thanks! I think it's really good seeing Johan's story in order. I know it helped me to put some more of the puzzle pieces together about Johan as a character

[@laurocoman]

@@SeaGee I didn't even remember half of these stuff! You made a great timeline.

[@beetea2886]

It's hard to put these in places because the series has so many sub-plots and Johan's screentime were very far apart sometimes

[@farquaad2304]

Easily one of the greatest stories ever written. If there was one live action adaptation I’d want for an anime, it would be this one. Be massive here in the states.

[@SeaGee]

Agreed! This is one manga that would actually work in live action. I'd be all for it!

[@RebornRider03]

Yh totally I thought this is the only anime where it be a live action adaptation due to the realism

[@MartinEiken]

I don't think a movie would be able to properly tell the story though, so it would have to be a series. But manga/anime adapted to live-action films are rarely ever good (if ever?), so I wouldn't really want that to be honest. You have no idea how many times I've tried to pitch people Death Note, and then they respond saying they've seen the god awful Netflix movie.

[@MartinEiken]

I think the best thing for the series would be if the entire anime got released on Netflix internationally. It would revive the anime and make it more accessible for general audiences. I'm sure it would become a lot more popular than it is.

[@SeaGee]

Fair points Martin. I don't think I'd be able to handle a US centric interpretation where Johan is played by Willem Dafoe. If it was done well, I could see it working but you're right, past live action animes have been a bit garbage. Why they decide to live action series with supernatural elements rather than realistic ones like Monster I'll never know

[@n543576]

The scariest part of this whole thing is simply Johan wasn't even there at the Red Rose Mansion, so he he didn't experience what Anna did. He wasn't locked in a room and psychological tortured , all that happened is he was told the story by the person that WAS there and either hearing it transformed his perception of reality or he was already jaded to become who is ultimately became from birth and the story just accelerated it. Nature vs Nurture or even something in-between idk but I can say without a doubt that Johan was indeed a Monster but so were the institutions that manipulated his family that led to him becoming one in the first place. I will add tho on a side note im kinda annoyed you didn't do "another monster" that would have been interesting to discuss sense there not many people who even touched on it.

[@SeaGee]

Great thoughts! And don't worry, I'm working on an Another Monster video currently. It's got some really good stuff and like you say, definitely deserves some more discussions than what's out there currently. Stay tuned!

[@Scarshadow666]

That part kinda reminds of Perfect Blue somewhat, as there were also characters in that movie sharing a folie à deux psychosis.

[@jjpedroni1369]

the thing is johan was part of the experiments of the red rose mansion the same as anna, he just wasn't part of the last one. Also he was forced to dress and act like her sister, and didn't have a name, he was despersonilized, all that can count as torture and have psychological repercutions. he was empty and like the demon in the klaus's children book that he used to read them, he took the story of her sister as his own. i believe he killed the first couple they encounter after scaping of a way to protect anna, because he did it after he heard them say they were going to call the police, the same with the family who adopted them he killed them after they brought in klaus. so i think he had two personas, one who want it to protect anna after what she told him and the other one who was fucked up and absorved her story as his own and make him the monster he is.

[@Scarshadow666]

@@jjpedroni1369 Exactly my thoughts as well! Plus it should be noted that after Nina/Anna returned to Three Frogs, the twin's mom had long been gone and Johan was standing in an empty apartment at too young an age to be left alone. After already developing his issues with his Mom alternating on which twin to give up, Johan being isolated after everyone was gone kinda puts him in a similar situation to what Nina/Anna went through at the Red Rose Mansion. It's kinda like Bonaparte's experiment happened with Johan a lot more than it did with Nina/Anna, it just happened unsupervised (though just a theory). ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@artursoares9175]

Actually, I believe that Johan started to break listening to her sister talk about it and because of the doubt of his mother. But I believe that in Kinderheim 511, he started to lose his memories, but he thought about his sister constantly, and at some point he started to remember those memories as they were his. Like Grimmer remembered Adolf's memories instead of his, Johan remembered Nina's memories, and that was the turning point to become the Monster After remembering everything and knowing that Bonaparta was the reason he was wicked, he became even more wicked, but more humane

[@ShadyAnchovy]

Many people are disappointed with the way monster ended, for me there is no better way for monster to ended. Most people disappointed because until the end there is no solid conclusion or undeniable truth, but the way I see it the author want to asking viewer about their own morality and how people decide truth in complicated dilemma.

[@SeaGee]

I agree! Admittedly I used to be in the camp that didn't like the ending but the reread definitely changed that. What is the best outcome for Johan? That really depends on your own worldview and sense of justice. Thanks for your thoughts Rahmad!

[@SourthernerPilgrim]

i read the manga 10myears agon maybe, its 2009 and i like manga about crime and psycologi> i like this manga minster and psycometry

[@Scarshadow666]

My thoughts exactly too, and also why I don't blame that people would be disappointed at the ending as it revolves around what the viewers world-views and moral compass is like. Kinda reminds me of some of the moral/justice debates Batman fans have over why he doesn't just kill Joker.

[@infernoconan1]

I adore the ending, it really adds to the overall feel of how abstract Johan can truly be!

[@nocturne8170]

There's a conclusion in the ending, just analyze or rewatch the Animr you'll understand what happen in the ending.

[@percyplant474]

Just finished watching this anime and until now I can't wrapped my mind about it, I can't even sleep. It's an amazing show

[@jaydennnnnn2025]

same

[@SeaGee]

It's actually ridiculous how cohesive this story is. Every twist and reveal feels so earned and reasonably set up. The timeline actually works! What an amazing series

[@percyplant474]

@@SeaGee indeed, I'm now reading the novel Another Monster. Naoki's way of writing is just so freaking engaging.

[@PotatoWiz]

Same😰

[@skyblue2367]

@@percyplant474 how is another monster?

[@ethanisnotsleeping]

Also idk if he pushed the guy off the roof. I get the impression he was so broken from his conversation with Johan and the truth he couldn't bear to face his daughter the next day and gave up

[@SeaGee]

Yeah this is a common thought so I may be in the wrong there. Perhaps Urasawa kept Richards death intentionally vague so it's up to interpretation. Either way, tragic.

[@timanzalone8742]

Richard is such a good character I loved that mini arc with him

[@grimsleeper5945]

I had the same thought. Richard had fallen to Johan's manipulation and pressure by that point. Johan didn't need to give him a push.

[@d1on326]

@@grimsleeper5945 edit: sorry for my very bad english i don't think he was pushed, richard wasnt even in the position for johan to push him johan was the one who stand at the more dangerous position.. but i can't imagine that richard grabbed the drink too bc i may be wrong but i remember richard hated that drink johan wanted to give him i also don't know what was going on with johans mother after the twins meeted again in the 3frogs and in the english version tenma says to johan something like "johan you had a name" may be shitty dub but that could proof johans real name is johan so many questions :o

[@shakos4105]

I think it was the same as the college student that committed suicide, Johan has a way of really getting in peoples heads. But I dont understand why, we never understood why Johan is so good at manipulation, deceiving, why hes so cunning. Was he just born like that, I really wish we could've known.

[@teekanyel5656]

After actually watching many psychological animes, Johan is by far the scariest one for me. The kind of person who is a sinister monster hiding in plain sight.

[@Johan_Liebert___]

Thanks I try my best ya know.

[@whoareyoutoaccuseme6588]

And the scary part is that *he is still out there* Though I personally believe that he is a changed man right now. Maybe he even dropped the name "Johan" completely.

[@naxioon28]

@@Johan_Liebert___ 😭

[@cocoroach_ok]

@@Johan_Liebert___ the man himself🗿

[@johnynoway9127]

@Friend Fukubei na thats the point. We DONT know on purpouse. Also Season 1 had 74 episodes. So... Imagine making another 74 episodes my god idk how they made it and actually ENDED IT. whereas most other anime have a season of 12 or 24 episodes and never end it propperly or just make it into 1 arc where the manga is 50 arcs long.

[@shahriarnafis998]

I think johan' mom was the real monster because: 1."I will never forgive him. If even I die my children will take my revenge " so she brainwashed johan & made him a monster 2. We can clearly see when franz took nina then johan was crying like child but when nina comes back he was smiling like a monster that means her mother had made him a monster in that period 3. Her mother even manipulated bonaparta so bad that he was completely changed so it’s too easy for her to manipulat a child 4. Even she is seen only in last episode & the episode's name is "the real monster"

[@sameerpandey7910]

Yes her mother just disappeared after the incident and left her children She wanted this to happen

[@ABCetcy]

You're definitely onto something

[@tooru-kun4178]

But the mother was taken with Nina. Petr Capek even added four body in the villa to match Bonaparta,the twins and the mother. Johan was alone at the three frog and was shaped by the nameless monster book before Anna reached him.

[@angelsilver.]

i’m wondering about the neighbor sharing the story of how one of the children was left burning in the building.

[@dexstarr1255]

Bro. Nice theory. Like Frankenstein monster. Franz bonaparta is the creator The mother was the true monster. I can't blame her either. She got taken away. This also happens in real life. Def a masterpiece series 🐐💯

[@saddickliebert2200]

Lmao johan must've gone to the toilet Why are guys sweating over the ending scene

[@iammilkyway2761]

Yea bro he had diarrhea

[@yamd8114]

@@iammilkyway2761 lmao

[@mbuszka5295]

Funny, considering I always thought *LIGHT YAGAMI COULD JUST GO TO THE BATHROOM!* to get perfect win, as those people, unlike L, was too dumb to guess he had hidden card. 😁 So, just a joke, but *Johan did it right* . 😏

[@primordialquasar8664]

@@iammilkyway2761 lmfoa mustve been explosive, damn what did they feed him?

[@monicaaboites5053]

He escaped from the hospital to confess Tenma his love for him. ok nop..xd.

[@a_maxed_out_handle_of_30_chars]

I finished this series yesterday and needed an actual timeline, and you did a great job explaining all the major plot points. thank you :)

[@SeaGee]

Thanks! Really glad to hear it all comes together well

[@DRNGDGMR]

I had just finished this series last night after watching it back to back for a week straight. Pretty good anime. It's just one of those animes where I'm pretty sure 60% of the community hasn't glanced at but needs to check out.

[@SeaGee]

100% Monster has always been one of my top recommendations. Definitely deserving a bigger reader/viewership

[@mrphauker]

Love that videos are still being made about this show in 2021, some people say it's underrated and other's say it's plenty popular but I just want more videos to be about it. This show is honestly great and most anime fans I talk to have never even heard of it.

[@usov656]

I love how the series is set right at that timeline and sprcially in Germany, and that it ends up involving health officials doing really bad things to children and creating monsters because of it, because if you look up the stuff some German psychiatrists did with children in the past WW2 world, suddenly Monster seems a whole lot more believable. People that think evil German doctors was only a thing during Nazi Germany, you got a hell of a surprise waiting for you if you research it.

[@akshaya915]

Im gonna do some research now, thanks

[@vigneshbalaji6718]

Could you share any of ur research findings ? Just curious ​@@akshaya915

[@mumei178]

Really great video. I am a bit unsure about "As Anna tells the tale of what happened to her, Johan internalizes the memories and believes that he himself was the one that was sent to the mansion and witnessed the mass murder, with Anna waiting for him to return," though. My impression is that Johan's confusion on that point came later. When we hear the tape of Johan at Kinderheim, he says that what he's most afraid of is forgetting Anna. "Because of these strange experiments done on me every day, my memories are disappearing. Please, don't let me forget Anna. In this whole world, there's only Anna and me. Please, just this one memory. Please..." One of my favorite interpretations of Johan's thought processes is that he used the story of The Nameless Monster as a sort of mnemonic device as he was losing his memories in Kinderheim, with different story elements corresponding to different events and people in his life. How he reconstructed it evolves during the story, as he rediscovers events from his past, but the basic framework of story elements (fairy tale country, monster consisting of two halves, monster going into the village and eating people, monster that doesn't find a name, monster eating people in the castle, one person eating the other, existing in a world without no one to call them by their name, etc.) that correspond to settings, characters, and events in Johan's life is consistent. In conversation Schuwald I think we get the first glimpse of this, when he describes a fairy tale country where he and Anna were living, hand in hand, the only two people in the world, with so many dead people. The fairy tale country is Prague or East Germany; the castle where so many people were dead was Kinderheim or the Red Rose Mansion; the monster eating people at the castle was Bonaparta poisoning people or Johan manipulating the massacre at Kinderheim; the monster that went into town and ate people was either the monster inside of Johan (so to speak) or Bonaparta; the monster that didn't find a name was either Anna (mom) or Anna (sister); the monster eating his other half is either what Bonapart will do to Anna (mother) or Johan will do to Anna (sister) depending on the version. I don't think any of this is stated explicitly, but can be inferred from Johan's initial reaction to The Nameless Monster in the library, his conversations with Blue Sophie, Schuwald, and Capek, the partial Kinderheim 511 tape, and his reactions to Nina's revelation. In conversation with Blue Sophie after encountering The Nameless Monster again, he says, "I thought I had seen the darkest place. But beyond that, I have found an even deeper darkness." Much later, in conversation with Capek, he says, "The monster I thought was inside me wasn't inside. It was outside." Capek asks, "What are you trying to say?" Johan: "Isn't Franz Bonaparta alive?" I'm also sort of partial to the idea that Johan's sense of identity as a child was fragile and that his sense of himself as an individual distinct from Anna was weak, given that they both had no names and that they were both playing the same role in public as their mother's single daughter, and they were twins besides. And given how easy it is to implant memories in ordinary, psychologically well-adjusted adults (or to do it to yourself), it probably isn't surprising if Johan experienced the telling of the event as having actually experienced the event first-hand even if intellectually he knew it happened to his sister. Later, when he was trying to hold onto his memories and keep things straight, he misremembered this event as his own experience

[@SeaGee]

That is a beautiful layout of Johan, Mumei! I think "The Nameless Monster" is one of the most compelling elements in this series. Being able to craft a story that not only summarises the antagonist's journey without throwing it in your face while also making it genuinely creepy on its own is just masterful. I really like what Urasawa was able to do in this series. And yes, I would agree that there is some ambiguity around when Johan takes over the memories of the Red Rose. I've always thought it happened straight away which is the first major reason why he kills all his first foster families before Kinderheim. Though like so much of this series, that might just be my interpretation rather than fact! The more I look at this series, I come to that same conclusion that Johan quoted above. "Isn't Franz Bonaparta alive?" After everything's said and done. He will go down as the ultimate monster of this series for me. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, that was a great read!

[@winterbeast6326]

@@SeaGee And even Franz Bonaparta, the real monster, ends up becoming a human again by the end by using his real name. I think his fate is probably a way to tell us what Johan fate will be. He probably will return where everything started, and live using his real name from now on.

[@ahdhsjheueydueurydyayuey7487]

​@@winterbeast6326johan doesn't know his real name

[@watchletter]

Honeslty your german is actually some of the best german I have heared from an english speaker.

[@theyeagerist2323]

im so confused by the whole series as they jump back and forth in time. while listening to this, im rewriting the whole timeline in my notes to keep all important events in mind

[@darrenwessels6984]

This show has the best character development I have ever seen.

[@SeaGee]

It's actually ridiculous how many engaging characters are in this series. Urasawa nailed it.

[@shabeehhaider2553]

I recommend watching Vinland Saga, that series also has great character development

[@SeaGee]

It's one I'm definitely planning to re-read at some point. I loved the start of that series but haven't touched it in years. Good to knows it's worth recommending!

[@ethanisnotsleeping]

I literally just finished the series a couple weeks ago, this is perfect timing

[@SeaGee]

Perfect! I hope you enjoyed the series!

[@sonushinobu2050]

Same

[@Panda-kn6zo]

One of the best well put together and well made videos I’ve seen

[@SeaGee]

Thanks so much!

[@giyonaoo2344]

This information collection was really really useful and necessary to me, I've been looking for such video since I first watched the anime two years ago.. Thank you so much 🙏🏻

[@SeaGee]

I'm glad it was useful Giyo! Thank you for watching 🙏

[@meryemgokturk]

There is so much work put in this this is great! Thank you.

[@SeaGee]

Thanks Meryem, I appreciate it!

[@-Raylight]

Johan is amazing character, scariest villain(?) so far because he feels so real

[@tr5676]

Monster is the greatest piece of fiction ever created

[@SUPERSTARSUDEEP]

Berserk exists

[@yamd8114]

@@SUPERSTARSUDEEP both are masterpiece

[@tvojamama4888]

@@SUPERSTARSUDEEP Berserk drops in quality hard over time and is no match for monster

[@suyoglimbu8002]

@@tvojamama4888 when the fuck did its quality dropped

[@malcolmreid8632]

@@suyoglimbu8002 golden age arc fans wilding out

[@Fumikairain]

The first person to truly scare me at points

[@SeaGee]

Johan is legitimately scary. In a "this could actually happen" kind of way

[@ladygrinningsoul357]

He feels like a fairy tale character, literally.

[@vuk5475]

@@ladygrinningsoul357 I would say he feels more like what real monster in our world would be

[@ladygrinningsoul357]

@@vuk5475 Johan barely appears, you only know about him since everyone talks incredible things about him. You almost can't see him doing regular human stuff, like combing his hair. When he appears is unnexpected and quicly, and he always do something amazing. He really is a fairytale character cause there's an special magic around him.

[@madhukarjonathanminj2772]

yeah,i was quite surprised as to how he scared me.

[@gamergirl2236]

Wow I like how the thumbnail is Johan in Danganronpa artstyle.

[@RishavRaj-kn8nm]

Thanks man! I was looking for such a timeline for months now

[@SeaGee]

No worries, hope it was helpful!

[@RishavRaj-kn8nm]

@SeaGee ya man your timeline really cleared all the doubts I had about the series. Keep up the good work

[@vobrinveloce]

Man, what a perfect video you made! I just finished to watch Monster and I was looking for some chronological summary of the past events, cause I felt the twins' childhood was quite hard to get as the anime intentionally shows you different fragments in different times... I think the emotional impact of this choice is brilliant, though maybe it's too easy to miss something at first sight. But this video has wiped away any doubt, thank you SeaGee! Really useful and accurate, top quality

[@SeaGee]

Thanks so much Lorenzo! I'm glad it was helpful!

[@TheGlowHD]

Fantastic video! I actually just finished my rewatch of the series today, the intensity and beauty of this series truly never misses. Although, I'd highly recommend revisiting this series with the Dub! An absolute powerhouse cast was used for the dub, and the performances were top-notch especially from the main characters. Liam O'brien as Tenma, Karen Strassman as Nina, and Tara Platt as Eva were exceptional performances - as well as many others!

[@SeaGee]

Thanks! It's such a good series! Heck Liam O'Brien would make a great Tenma. Maybe I should go through the Dub at some point!

[@gabereell]

late reply, but does the dub give the dialogue more depth? one of the problems i had watching the sub was that the translation seemed far too literal, which may have taken away from some of the characterization

[@joshuadistura7450]

Ayyyyyy good to see you again SeaGee. Glad to see more monster content too

[@SeaGee]

Good to hear from you Josh. Hope 2021's been going well for ya!

[@bahaomar7153]

Thank you so much man, I really appreciate your hard work!

[@SeaGee]

Thanks Baha! Means a lot

[@MP-cv6if]

Johan was likely ( very definitely actually) abused a lot during the three years he was at 511 kinderheim. I think this is why he rerecorded that tape. He doesn't want anyone to know him.

[@shellcollecters]

英語で全然分からないんですが、MONSTERの内容を知っているので最後まで見ることが出来ました！ 作品の流れを最初から解説して、地図を交えて解説していただきありがとうございました！ 本編にそこまで関係ないかもしれませんが、グリマーさんの過去も加えてくれたら嬉しいですね。 素敵な動画です。

[@SeaGee]

ありがとう！ （これはグーグル翻訳されているので、間違いをお詫びします。） いつかグリマーさんでまたビデオを撮りたいです。続編のアナザーモンスターの彼の章は本当に理解するのが難しいです。そこから十分な情報を得たいので、次の浦沢さんの話でグリマーさんの動画を試してみます。

[@shellcollecters]

@@SeaGee わざわざ日本語で返してくれてありがとう！グーグルの翻訳は上手く通じています。 私もANOTHER MONSTERのグリマーノートの解釈は難しいと感じています。 ゆっくりで良いので、無理せず動画を作ってください！ MONSTERは日本より海外での人気が高いんだなと感じます。 MONSTERが好きなので、2021年にMONSTERを解説してくれる人がいて嬉しいです。

[@therealai777]

watching this anime I learned a bit about the history of post WW2 Germany. both my mum and dad lived in West Germany during their childhood, obviously while it was still divided by the Berlin wall. the stark difference between East and West Germany is crazy to me.

[@poet_of_the_apocalypse9850]

You glossed over a lot but this video is still a godsend. Monster needs to be discussed more.

[@SeaGee]

Heck yes it does. And you're right! Monster gets so layered it's tough to know what to add and when certain things happen. Hopefully this covered enough to give a good idea of Johan's journey!

[@WildStrawberryy]

SeaGee the only man that can convince me to get into Monster

[@SeaGee]

Ahah thanks man, this series is so worth your time!

[@Luka-lw5tl]

Why did you watch the video if you haven't seen Monster yet?

[@makiroll218]

It’s too long for me but I love his videos

[@SwaggyG_2102]

Thanks for putting up a timeline. As much as I watch the anime, I always find it hard to keep track of the progression of time in the anime, ESPECIALLY after the events that happened after the town massacre.

[@SeaGee]

No worries, I hope it was helpful! I'm right there with you. I find it real hard to keep all the pieces of the timeline together when I go through this series

[@SwaggyG_2102]

@@SeaGee To be honest, I didn't know that the events of Monster ended in 1999. I thought for sure that the ending would take place in the early 2000s. Maybe somewhere around 2000-2002.

[@SeaGee]

@Shawn Hawk2102 Yeah, I didn't even think about the years before doing the timeline. It's actually the sequel book, Another Monster, that occurs in that 2000-2002 year range. A really good read if you haven't checked it out.

[@MoriohAnime]

This video was absolutely awesome I finished Monster about a month ago and I absolutely love this series to death.

[@SeaGee]

Thanks! I'd recommend checking out the sequel novel too, it adds a bunch of detail to the Monster world

[@lilmisfits77]

I just finished this whole show yesterday after spending a whole week of watching it non stop. And i was still so confused with certain plot points so this was really really helpful thank u so much!! Watching the entire video has made me clear my doubts and appreciate the show more. Honestly this is the first time i watched a psychological thriller anime but hearing that people say it’s a good show and to give it a shot, i did. And boyyyy was it worth it!! Now Johan is one of my favourite anime characters out there, and I’ve watched alot of other animes. This man is just something else. I’m one of those who loves the ending and that last scene with Johan was so scary i actually freaked out and almost screamed. I’m recommending this show to people for sure. It deserves to be talked about more!

[@ok...1543]

if you liked this try neon genesis evangelion it is also a psychological thriller and a top tier one for me nge > monster

[@thegreatsummoner]

Excellent work. If only this video existed when I first watched Monster, it would have cleared things up for me

[@SeaGee]

Thanks Summoner, glad it was helpful!

[@whoareyoutoaccuseme6588]

If the events of Monster was real, Johan would be in his forties today. If so, is he still pursuing criminal activities? Or did the "monster" inside him finally die after Tenma saved his life a second time? He would obviously change his identity again and probably abandon the name "Johan", but if he did decide to change, maybe he didn't kill anybody this time to be more thorough in starting a new life. I dunno, I just think it's interesting to think what Johan might be up to right now. What do you guys think?

[@milkymoonasmr6641]

Tenma killed Johan’s Monster by saving him again. So, no - he lives a normal life now and doesn’t kill anymore.

[@darxmuxaib]

Yes the monster Inside him was probably killed by either tenma saving him or Anna forgiving him about everything he did or both

[@michealscott5160]

I found this theory in the internet: Monster wasnt johan, it was the belief that some lives more valueble than others. When johan said " I saw the monster that day" he was talking about his mother, because his mother chose one of her kids to another. Johan thought everyone was a "monster" and he wanted to prove that. Thats why he wanted anna to kill pecek. Also tenma was thinking all lives values equally. So on ep 73 he aimed the child. He thought tenma was gonna choose wims life and kill him. But he was wrong because tenma saved his life. So johan got "defeated" in some kind a way and stopped killing people

[@michealscott5160]

Sorry about my bad english btw

[@whoareyoutoaccuseme6588]

@@michealscott5160 Yeah, that's what I was thinking!

[@topshotta5010]

This is a great video this anime is very depressing though

[@SeaGee]

Thanks! Yeah Monster gets real heavy and doesn't really let up

[@beegyoshi8401]

You should do a video on johan explaining his motivations. You sound like you understand the show very well.

[@SeaGee]

Thanks Anime Nerd! I'm planning to talk about him a little but I feel like I can't do as good a job as ___. His ending explained video is just too good: kzbin.info/www/bejne/moaVpqxqpN6kaNk

[@185monkeyboy]

Great video! Loved monster and this honestly filled some gaps from my viewing last year.

[@SeaGee]

Thanks Alex! Glad this could fill in some of the missing pieces

[@kleakalenja2096]

Hey cutie

[@Snow-ej5fm]

Have not seen Monster yet but I’ve watched just a video before this about Johan and now i’m intrigued and scared? Like holy shit …….. what a character

[@SeaGee]

Definitely a series I'd recommend to check out

[@kimochiwarui5324]

maybe someday we can have a remake of this anime masterpiece

[@it9878]

Why on earth would we need that? This one is perfect, the style, the everything

[@NoQuestionsAskedd]

@@it9878 Well but the Ratings on MAL are so ridiculously low 8.78 It needs to be at least 9.00

[@woojin214]

Believe it or not, Guillermo Del Toro pitched a live action adaptation of this to HBO and they denied it. Lol.

[@ayakoha]

I hope for that too, it would bring new fans to this series, it's a shame not so many people know about it

[@luc7478]

The Anime is good

[@sbrmnvgc1023]

Urasawa manga are always masterpiece and his antagonist are the best wrote you will ever read

[@faustovii1085]

Did Johan end up having another personality? Because I understand the series starts telling is he does have two personalities, being one himself (the original kid he used to be before Bonaparta got involved his life) and the other one the monster, created inside Anna and taken by Johan, made by Bonaparta. But reaching the end of the story, Johan seems to be just one single and totally convinced of what he is man. So... Did he end up having two personalities? I personally interpret that the monster ended up consuming Johan's original personality, being 100% the experiment of Bonaparta.

[@sincethen7014]

Remember the last words of Grimmer. That's what happened:)

[@makstod6903]

Greatly made video , excellent work! I want to add that yes, Tenma imagined Johan speaking to him in the last scene and that he definitely escaped - the earlier closed window is now opened(shown by the wind) , as well as the signs that someone was in the bed just recently.

[@Alkis05]

This was useful, because I got a little distracted between the fire at the library and the events in Ruhenhilm, which also has a lot of flashbacks.

[@SeaGee]

Yeah the flashbacks get blurry when I read too. I find it so different when presented chronologically

[@tweaks442]

Great video!

[@SeaGee]

Thanks Michael!

[@АидаИскакова-г8о]

It's a great work . At least ,somehow ,I'll put everything in my head on the shelves . Thank you a lot!!

[@SeaGee]

No worries! I hope this helped put some of those pieces together

[@KafujiSato]

At the end of the story, Johan realized that he was loved by his mother and that she had given him a name. At this moment, the "nameless monster" within him received a name and ceased to be a monster. He no longer saw himself as an "unwanted person," and his fear and hatred towards society must have subsided as well. Equally significant is the fact that Anna, whom Johan had desperately tried to protect from the "monster," had now overcome her past trauma and become independent-free from the "monster"-and is now leading a wonderful life. In these two respects, Johan no longer needed to fight against the monster, nor did he need to remain a monster himself. Moving forward, I believe he will walk a path of atonement for what he has done in his own way and live to support Anna from the shadows.

[@mr_0n10n5]

Tenma: Saves Yohann Everyone who watched this show: 😮‍💨

[@NorthernWind_Vlll]

Heyoo, what an amazing video! This is what I call quality content haha I love this cause I'm probably not the only one that even after reading thru "Monster" and re-reading some parts, still can't fully connect all of the events cause it's super complicated in a good way of course. Also, thanks, I couldn't convince my friend that Richard didn't drink the whiskey, I had all the fate in him and I knew he wouldent let me down. Btw I've started reading Vagabond, I have high hopes for this manga.

[@SeaGee]

Thanks North! Glad it helped connect some things. I think the anime leaves Richards death more vague than the manga. The manga makes a pretty clear point that he didn't do it himself. Let me know how you're enjoying Vagabond! I'm actually going to start reading it soon too. Would love to know what you think

[@NorthernWind_Vlll]

@@SeaGee hey so yeah, i read the manga and the friend actually read the manga too, yst he also thought he did it himself. Thanks again and Vagabond is for now a very beautiful story. The art is the best I've ever seen in a manga, and the story is just beginning so I can't really judge it properly yet.

[@SeaGee]

Sweet as, Vagabond's sounding good. Excited to get stuck into it!

[@wanderingbufoon]

Johan: "I am broken because I went to the Red Rose Mansion" Anna: "You're literally stupid"

[@observingatoms]

Thank you so much for this video.

[@SeaGee]

Hey thanks for watching!

[@Boog4mn]

Johan is one of the best antagonist in anime history

[@wolf-gs1ru]

This is an already established fact a long time ago.

[@killermove9524]

The best*

[@samhawkss8445]

This is a great video.

[@SeaGee]

Thanks Sam!

[@faltyuse]

just finished the anime. my first anime in fact and I was so overloaded by some many flashbacks I had lost track of basically everything only the main parts so this helped me appreciate it more thanks.

[@StickyFlan]

I discovered the manga about a year ago and I kid you not I binged it in a whole damn day , I could not put it down!! Paired it up with reading it to some ambient music and then the Ronette’s be my baby when the part came up just really made it a good experience! My eyes were as closed as Wolfgang Grimmers to some points lmao but after watching this video you opened them up to seeing certain things more lmao. This video was super concise , clear and digestible! Also your voice is mighty cute dude, great work~

[@SeaGee]

That sounds like the peak reading experience! And thanks! I'm glad this was helpful

[@LJMahomes]

I read Monster about a year ago and I actually remember most of the names or at least know who it was when I hear the name. Also I love all the German in the Anime. The newspapers and stuff feel so authentic. One of the rare cases where being native German speaker is a real advantage

[@LJMahomes]

Also your accent is so interesting for me, it kinda sounds like Australia, but not quite. My guess would be New Zealand, but guessing accents in a second language is really hard, so don’t be offended if I messed it up completely lol

[@SeaGee]

Wow actually you're spot on! Usually it's a pretty hard accent to pin down so good effort!

[@LJMahomes]

@@SeaGee not gonna lie I’m actually really proud right now

[@brendex1186]

I thought Tenma imagined, that Johan was awake. woooow makes so much sense now

[@hammerheadtamer6449]

So the real monster was the real friends we made along the way

[@nekokimo8036]

Great job This piece of art is just amazing And btw first time i see a video on youtube with 0 dislikes I mean it's clear that no one hates Monster or this great video

[@SeaGee]

Thanks HaKiMoo! I think Monster is just that good

[@rooftopastronomer2697]

My personal ending is that Johan actually went to track down his mother to know who if he was unwanted or not.

[@OsSas3]

Urasawa is a pro when it comes to characters. Just a single chapter is need it to emphatize with a minor one. I don't know if you've read 20th Century Boys, but it has MANY awesome characters, I'll say even more lovable than here.

[@SeaGee]

100%! Urasawa has a really great way of creating characters, even the minor ones, with a clear purpose behind them (like the bird watcher in the garden, or the restaurant owner from Nina's job.) I'd like to go through 20th Century Boys again soon. I've read through a few times but definitely due for a re-read.

[@OsSas3]

@@nomemesonmangakas8571 To each their own. I read first 20th Century Boys and enjoy most the characters, even the villains. With Monster, I didn't feel satisfied with how some characters end and the worst part is Eva, how I hated that woman and the mangaka's attempt to make me fell sorry for her: didn't work.

[@pedroj3432]

Underrated video and channel. Great vid mate

[@SeaGee]

Thanks Pedro! It's appreciated mate

[@grimsleeper5945]

I was a bit confused with what happened to Johan just after his birth and at a few other points in the story but this video explained it well, thanks a lot.

[@SeaGee]

Thanks Grim, glad this was helpful

[@noxus0zero292]

great video, also nice danganronpa sprite of Johan in the thumbnail

[@SeaGee]

Thanks Noxus0, glad you enjoyed!

[@qisenku6533]

thank you for the video! i really need the actual timeline because it confused me with all the tragedy happened then and now😔

[@SeaGee]

No worries, I hope it was helpful! I feel you. I get super confused with the timeline too

[@amimyn]

what crazy about this is if you only listened to the audio, it will sounds like you’re listening to a true crime story video

[@realkingofantarctica]

Seeing Johan in a Danganropa artstyle is very surreal.

[@CandyVanMan1234]

A little wrong, Johan waking up in the epilogue was all in tenmas head and was not real. However he was probably conscious while tenma was talking to him.

[@Archfiend]

Thank you. Very well Explained. Really Helpful 👍

[@SeaGee]

Thanks Archfiend, glad you enjoyed!

[@pichitosmalltown3239]

what i love about johan is that he wasnt born devoid of compassion or empathy as shown with how he was vicariously traumatized by Nina's terrible experience. this happens a lot in clincal practice, wherein friends or relatives of, say, an incestuous r**e victim will exhibit symptoms of trauma. this is empathy at its core, experiencing pain more than the one who was directly hurt, your ego protecting you from pain that you never experienced, the pain of someone you love.

[@АидаИскакова-г8о]

Tenma and Johan - Yin and Yang . One carries the philosophy of "Equality of all lives", and the other - "Equality of all lives before death".»

[@razan4874]

honestly monster is the type of anime that will keep haunting me for life , it's such a captivating story . it's almost like a tv show . the fact that it was made an anime in 2004 is crazy its seems new .

[@dabilover444]

Tysm for this ❤️

[@SeaGee]

No worries, hope it was helpful!

[@_.christziv._]

Coming back when i finish the anime cause I don't want any spoilers. Im currently on episode 48 and i have to say that monster is a masterpiece

[@pc-9826]

what exactly is its theme?

[@_.christziv._]

@@pc-9826 im gonna describe the plot with a few words but you might get spoiled so i will try my best not to spoil much. There is a doctor that saves a child that will grow up to be a murderer. Then the doctors is blamed for a murder that the boy did and he decides to give up on everything and chase after the boy for the rest of his life. while he tries to find the boy he meets new people that will help him. Thats all with a few words the anime is really interesting and i suggest you watch it especially if you liked anime like death note

[@pc-9826]

@@_.christziv._ Thanks buddy

[@Hollowdude15]

Great video SeaGee :]

[@Nickstepher]

I love how in the thumbnail, johan looks like he’s from danganronpa.

[@Fawnxo420]

Crazy how he survived 2 headshots yet I couldnt take 1

[@dannny6019]

The monster without a name. Yohan leibert all time smartest mc.

[@whoareyoutoaccuseme6588]

Dr. Tenma's the main character though

[@primordialquasar8664]

@@whoareyoutoaccuseme6588 tenma is the protagonist. johan is also a main character, but he's an antagonist.

[@fatosaleatorios7147]

watched this anime 5 years ago, I need to watch it again

[@عبدالعزيزالنهدي-ت1ر]

Nice work 👍🏻

[@SeaGee]

Thanks so much!

[@YorkJonhson]

One of my favorite classic animes, but I still feel like the ending really lost me. I understand the morality and intent was going for something more complex than, "Good guy kill bad guy," but the fact that Tenma thought himself moral because he would rather watch Johan murder children in front of him than ever actually pull the trigger himself, was straight up baffling to me.

[@teronimus4377]

It is never extolled that Tenma's inaction was the right thing to do, nor does the series deliver a verdict on the moral debate. Precisely the conclusion is that someone interrupts the scene and lets the viewer debate this. The irony of the scene goes beyond a tertiary character killing the antagonist, it is the action of killing someone; to Johan, in response to protecting his son in an act of paternal love, which are basically the opposite reasons why Johan wanted to die, a different person and a different motive. At the end of it all, Tenma saves Johan for different reasons than at the beginning, precisely so that the guy doesn't go to jail for murder.

[@YorkJonhson]

@@teronimus4377 That's an interesting take on it. I guess that after no character ever really called out Tenma on his potential hypocrisy, and because the child didn't actually die as a result of his inaction, I felt that the author simply wanted to have their cake and eat it too. Letting Tenma keep his rigid moral stance, but refusing to actually have him face the brutal consequences of it. And yeah, I still think it's a bit convenient that a third party interrupted the ultimatum at the last second, and denied him the outcome of that final choice. But I agree that it's interesting to note that Tenma was actually helping the shooter that saved his son, and not just Johan by choosing to operate on him again. And I suppose that the tone of the final conversation (and ambiguity of whether or not Johan simply escaped again) isn't set in stone in regards to the answer of Johan's question, or whether or not Tenma actually did the right thing. Maybe Johan killed himself in the end, or maybe Tenma just started the cycle of murder all over again.

[@teronimus4377]

@@YorkJonhson Of course it's convenient, Urasawa clearly didn't want Johan to have the satisfaction of being killed by Tenma; even if it was in defense of a child, and he had him killed for a tertiary and for other reasons lol I think the ending can easily be interpreted as the conclusion of Johan and his dualism with the nameless monster. -The nameless monster by its nature has no name -Johan listens to Tenma say that he had a name. -The nameless monster disappeared when he realized he had one; symbolically, of course. It's a very simplified way of looking at it, but I think it goes something like this.

[@DADhify]

Plot Twist :- "Ligh Yagami was manipulated by Johan Libert to write the names in the Death Note" FunFact :- "Light has to obey his order because even he was afraid of the 'Monster without a name' "

[@crymea]

underrated video and anime :)

[@athid]

1:50 why would Bonaparta let Anna go? and why would Johan be so affected by her happenings at the Mansion that would make him kill the first parents

[@MA-yu2ss]

Because Bonaparte fell in love with the twins’ mother, and that caused him to change. He no longer wanted to experiment on the children and instead wanted to live a quiet life. This is explained during that scene with Tenma and the book owner guy talking about Klaus Pope’s books. Anyways as a result of his goals changing, he killed everyone in the red rose mansion since they were all the people who knew about the experiments, the twins and the twins’ mother. After they were dead he told Anna to run far away, and told her that he didn’t want her or Johan to become monsters.

[@MA-yu2ss]

I’m not so sure for the second question so this is just my interpretation but Johan had identity issues. And when Anna told him everything that happened to her, and after all the brainwashing experiments in 511 Kinderheim, Johan started to believe Anna’s memories were actually his. Similarly to how Grimmer remembered his friend’s memories more clearly than his own after being brainwashed, Johan was always thinking about Anna and so her memories became his own eventually. Johan probably killed those parents because he didn’t trust them, after feeling betrayed by his mother for supposedly making him go to the mansion to get experimented on his sense of love and identity gets shattered, and so he wants it to be only Anna and him

[@ayethuthuaung6123]

No Johan always aware that anna is the one who was taken. We can see it when johan and Peter chapik meet and johan says "Monster inside of me wasn't inside.it was outside."It's mean that he knows.

[@Skylarkraven]

Until now... this is still the Top Anime in my list of Masterpieces (along with Death Note & Violet Evergarden)

[@Blessedandforever]

Underrated Anime for sure , if u watched it you will love it. I got all the mangas

[@James_smith07734]

In the last scene, Johan was shifted in other hospital.

[@abirbhabbiswas9943]

Maybe he killed himself after he escaped the hospital and in such a way that no one could find him

[@bachomtsituri8221]

I think Johan blamed himself when he listened Anna's story in three frogs,decide to kill every one because he lost faith in humanity. He doubted his mother also,if she wanted to save johan why he make look like her sister- that's Johan words. In the end i think he manipulated dr tenma and believed him he was asleep and decide to live with his original name X. Iike aot ending when everyone lives happily after erens death, I can't imagine that but that s my thoughts