Examining the Case for the Christian Faith (with Doug Groothuis)

How strong is the evidence for Christianity? How has the evidence, and issues, changed over the past few decades. Dr. Doug Groothuis is the author of the best-selling book, "Christian Apologetics," which he just updated. In this interview we discuss his conversion to faith and his perspective of how the evidence for Christianity has grown over the past few decades.
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[@sylvesterbestertester1013]

Doug has been put in a unique position in apologetics concerning human suffering as he watched is fairly young intelligent wife lose herself to dementia. Life has so much suffering in it, particularly for people in very poor and tyrannical societies. I can't wrap my head around how anyone gets through this life without the hope of eternal life.

[@jobinkoshy8197]

I was listening to your argument of beauty. Imagine you are at a very beautiful place, there are mountains covered with snow, the water is majestic and blue, you see things that give you the sense that God is behind this creation and you are in awestruck wonder and in worship. But then, out of the blue, a polar bear chases a young seal and kills it and eats it alive and it screams for its life and the mother seal is watching from a distance and there you have the problem of evil and suffering. So the argument from beauty and the argument from evil are in the same picture! I don't know what feeling I would have now, certainly it won't be wonder and worship but of pain. May be I would ask God why do you allow this. Idk. I just wanted to share that thought because I had been thinking about it for quite long.

[@mbb--]

The way he loved and honored his wife unconditionally through horrific suffering, disability, and loss is also an apologetic.

[@SeanMcDowell]

Amen, yes!

[@ubersheizer5398]

Can atheists "love and honor relatives and friends unconditionally through horrific suffering, disability, and loss"? If so, is that a counter-apologetic?

[@veronicaspencelocke2003]

Amen! I think that suffering and even death (with, of course, the hope we have that gets us *through* things like suffering and the loss of loved ones) is something we should speak more about, as followers of Christ. Edit: Plus the *unconditional* aspect you mentioned - when it happens, and it’s rare that Christians can stick together for the long haul, through any and everything now (just look at the divorce rates, sadly) - is really important, in my opinion.🪔

[@veronicaspencelocke2003]

@@ubersheizer5398 Yes, of course they *can* .. Tho it’s not “a counter-apologetic” obviously. A big difference is the hope Christ followers have beyond death, we know we will see each other again, it helps in the suffering and in the grieving process. (Which begins even before actual death)

[@ubersheizer5398]

@@veronicaspencelocke2003 Yes, Hope, Meaning and Purpose. The hope to see dead loved ones is a major driver for many people to believe Christianity and all the Abrahamic religions as true. My wife knows next to nothing about the Bible but goes to church for the Hope of seeing her sister and dad again. I accept that this is the one life we get and try to value every moment of it. The point of my original comment was that you don't need to be a Christian to care about people.

[@SuperCodemeister]

You know what's beautiful? A man who takes care of his wife and loves her even though she doesn't remember who he is. I know a man who put his wife in a nursing home and started dating almost immediately. He married within a year and rarely visited his wife. Their daughters did all the visiting and making sure she was being taken care of by the staff. My heart was broken by his behavior 💔

[@InLawsAttic]

Buying the book , and yes, please do the Prolife apologetic from non-Christian and Christian point of view.

[@vincentawbrey6686]

James 1:5 states," If any man lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him". Dr. Groothuis has much godly wisdom to share with the Body of Christ.

[@hongotedesco8931]

Well...no. DG has zero wisdom to impart. Nothing he said was useful. Not only that, but he's saying awful stuff, like condemning homosexuality. Bottom line, he subtracts value from the planet, does not add to it.

[@jaggedstarrPI]

Well said and precisely correct.

[@BlestinTexas24]

He is not too old at 65. Who knows how many years God will give him?

[@BlestinTexas24]

This is the first time I have related to an apologetics YT as he related it to the emotions of the illness of his first wife. Apologetics goes over my head most of the time. For the first time I could relate as he brought it down out of the clouds of academia and intellectualism into a relatable place for me. Do it like Jesus and Paul. Sometimes I think I am too dim to understand and use apologetics as usually discussed. I like pragmatic and concrete. Relatable.

[@Jacob115ify]

Debate is a form of conversation. Every Christian should be prepared to debate, as well as drop the topic and go in for a hug at any moment. Be strong, friends.

[@rampartranger7749]

Fireweed: the first plant that shows up after a forest fire. It is very beautiful. Apparently, the heat somehow activates the seed after laying dormant for long periods.

[@jimfarnell5813]

Sean… I met your dad in 1982 about a year after I was saved… I had a chance to speak with him again at the Alive Festival in Ohio several years ago… Our meeting in 1982 started me on a recreational study of apologetics beginning of course with Evidence That Demands A Verdict… In the face of these domineant rise of secular humanism in the American culture, apologetics has become a very serious subject for me… I am thrilled to vicariously meet your guest… Extend my profound thanks to your dad & the for you faithful ministry… Shalom

[@SeanMcDowell]

Thanks for sharing, Jim. I LOVE hearing stories like this about my dad.

[@jimfarnell5813]

I always give your dad credit for what little I know… He said that if God is the greatest intellect anywhere then this Christianity has to be intellectually defensible and that struck me and motivated me… One of the things that troubles me is WL Craig wrote of & what I observe to be an anti-intellectualism, particularly in the evangelical church… 66% of young people in youth groups will abandon their faith within first 18 months of graduation… Andy Stanley in his forward of the latest edition of Evidence covers that pretty well… When I approached my church regarding apologetics I was gently but forcefully and thoroughly rebuked by the 2 lead pastors because they believe in just “telling your story”.… My struggle is to organize what I know and what I’m learning into something that is cogently presentable… can you offer guidance? BTW: I’m retired, love on East Tennessee, 72 years old… just finished Natasha Crain’s new book… I’m surrounded by transplanted blue staters who are liberal secularists and I want to minister to them…

[@eastonm.7495]

@@jimfarnell5813 unfortunately what you describe in your church seems to be all too common these days. Reminds me of the subject matter of JP Moreland's book "love your God with all your mind", wonderful book to read if you haven't already.

[@Yeprotti]

@Jim Farnell. Its hard to believe any solid church would be that much against apologetics. Of course, they can never replace the gospel and the gospel in its multifaceted action. However, we still need them. They're not for every seeker but extremely important for many. And why not!!?

[@chikkipop]

*"about a year after I was saved"* Saved from what? *"domineant rise of secular humanism in the American culture"* If only that were true!

[@lindawarner7496]

I never heard of this man before. Very impressed

[@69telecasterplayer]

In my apologetics course at Liberty, we used Dr. Groothuis textbook. Was a blessing to me.

[@arjaramillo86]

Yes, I took the same course at Liberty! Still have the digital copy of the book, love it!

[@blakealexander8520]

Liberty University?? I go there. I am thinking about taking the apologetics course soon

[@knoxchali7241]

​@arjaramillo86 can you share it with me

[@katrinalodge6055]

Fantastic interview...Doug's testimony also touched me deeply as similar start with the Lord, sadly I fell away for nearly 40 years now back , thanks to the pandemic etc. But those wilderness years are hard to reconcile for me..and this discussion is very helpful thank you...

[@douglaswise6797]

Wow what convinced you to go back?

[@CatalyticChristian]

Welcome back!

[@katrinalodge6055]

@@douglaswise6797 I was affected by the vaccine, and as a nurse I knew something was off with the whole pandemic as our govnt said they were the one source of truth.. this set me looking at what was actully going on... I saw pure and utter evil , think Yuval Noah Harari and Klaus Straub, Fuaci and Gates, this blew my mind and I started feeling overwhelming fear... psalm 23 started to repeat over in my mind, and then my daughter found the lord with a very clear holy spirit experience... as we progressed the lord put people in our path..and I went through a massive process of becoming aware of my sin, and spent the last 7mnths on my knees repenting, reading my new Bible large print these days haha.. and really seeking the lord.. and emerging myself in all things of him.. it's been a process and already lost friends... over the nearly 40 years I would check in with the holy spirit and test that I could still speak in tounges, I could always manage a few words, now I have a whole other language...it's been a transformative process as he works on me since Dec 21.

[@truthseeker7867]

What convinced you Christianity is true?

[@chikkipop]

@@truthseeker7867 Don't expect an answer. You'll either never get one, or it'll be preposterously unconvincing. It's what they do.

[@JohnnyStanley4844]

Sean i want to thank you and lift you up in peayer, for your show it realy makes a difference, stick to the truth Brother

[@jeffofthehillpeople7728]

Wow, great chat. You guys actually have me seriously thinking about an MA in apologetics

[@SeanMcDowell]

YES, join us!

[@john14_63]

Just received the book “Christian Apologetics” by Groothuis last night. WOW this is fantastic. 132 pages in and I don’t want to put it down! Thanks Sean for introducing me to Douglas and his work !!!

[@SeanMcDowell]

My pleasure!

[@chikkipop]

If his book is as "good" as this interview, I'd say you're easily impressed. I can't see anything here that isn't easily rebutted.

[@CedanyTheAlaskan]

@@chikkipop Such as?

[@semperfi4ever507]

@@chikkipop you said in one of your comments that there will never be an answer.... what is your answer? How do you hide from the evidence and proof of God?

[@chikkipop]

@@semperfi4ever507 *"you said in one of your comments that there will never be an answer."* Why not quote what I said, so I know what it was about? Answer for what? *"How do you hide from the evidence and proof of God?"* I have no idea why anyone would feel the need to hide from evidence of something. Very strange question! What "evidence and proof" is there?

[@christopherchay7593]

This man is almost everything I hope to be

[@cliveaw1206]

Relatable

[@luboshcamber1992]

@Christopher Chay How about being like Christ instead?

[@christopherchay7593]

@@luboshcamber1992 tis why I said almost 😉 Christ is the epitome human perfection, I'll never reach that. I will strive towards it, I could never reach it in this earthly form. However, this is far more attainable

[@francinemeeks3911]

Great interview. So appreciate both your work and your faithfulness to serve the Lord.

[@josephzammit8483]

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[@m76353]

I just looked this guy up and saw he has a book called "The Soul in Cyberspace". I couldn't find much about it but it sounds like he might have similar views as Pierre Teilhard de Chardin? if he's going in that direction that's awesome!!! can't wait to listen to this!!! a lotta people don't know this but Pierre Teilhard de Chardin was actually the first person to predict cyberspace all the way back in 1925!!! He called it the "Noosphere". The idea of exponential growth in tech and computation is deeply linked to christian philosophers! If this guy is going in that direction its really good to see this idea gaining more attention from the christian side! The types of arguments for God that are based on emergent complexity are really BY FAR the most superior arguments for the existence of God there is imo!!! I actually prolly wouldn't even be christian if i hadn't started thinking about these arguments. I would love to see Dr Sean interview Frank Tipler who coauthored the book: "The Anthropic Cosmological Principle"", he's all about this type of stuff too. He's absolutely brilliant, probably wrong about some stuff (lol) but brilliant.

[@HowBoutDemBoyzz]

Yikes

[@m76353]

@@HowBoutDemBoyzz why "yikes"?

[@leonardhunt7241]

It’s similar to the complexity of the basic elements which aren’t simple. These champion for the existence of God and the Deity (Godhead).

[@Cate7451]

That’s really interesting.

[@HowBoutDemBoyzz]

@@Cate7451 it's quite the stretch

[@jgrdunc1081]

Thanks for such powerful encouragement to rejoice in the Lord. Thanks for being strong Biblical models of faith 💝

[@kevinteichroeb6997]

When I first encountered Dr Groothuis through a series of lectures he gave on Christian Apologetics, I was somewhat turned off. I'm not sure why... I just think we had a personality clash. Since that time, I have come to love him and his work and continue to grow in my appreciation of his life and labour. Thank you, Dr Groothuis! We may never be friends, but we will ever be brothers!

[@kenboone1555]

Wonderful conversation, thank you, Sean and Doug. I love his input on the atonement. If Christ's work is not a finished perfected work then we are all in trouble. God is so Holy that He cannot accept any impurity period. Until you and I rest in the finality of the cross we will never move on to the resurrected life of Christ.

[@claudiaperfetti7694]

This must be the best video yet! This man is such a treasure. I need to read this book!!!

[@SeanMcDowell]

It will be worth your time

[@WhidbeyMP]

Enjoyed this interview! My friends own a Christian bookstore, I'll ask them to order Dr. Groothuis' book for me. When you talked about his wife's dementia, that touched me. My mom had Alzheimer's when she passed away last year, thankfully it wasn't too advanced. But I remember feeling troubled, and realized that I looked at faith as being a 'brain thing' since it has so much to do with belief. I had to work through that and one thing I thought of was that when we die, our brains die too... so there is a mind that lives on with us that is not hindered by our physical brain, especially when it is 'sick'. That helped a lot :)

[@ibelieveitcauseiseentit9630]

Yes we have body (our PHYSICAL body) soul (that is our mind, and our personality that is influenced by our physical brain) AND spirit. Soul and spirit are two different things. It is not the soul that survives death as people often think, it is the spirit, and that's where God lives inside you. Your soul which is your personality your thinking ability ect that is controlled by your brain, although your spirit can help to influence your brain and change your personality somewhat while you're still on Earth. The brain dies, the body dies, the spirit lives on with Jesus until the day of Resurrection when we get brand new bodies and brand new brains for our spirits to indwell.

[@enoch3874]

Mr. Groothuis..I got the new book, fire in the streets..preordered and got it early

[@kyledoeden5250]

Absolutely love this conversation. Makes me want to read “Christian Apologetics” and “Evidence That Demands a Verdict”!

[@SeanMcDowell]

Do it! 😉

[@mariodiaz4649]

Thank you Doug for being a consistent voice of faith. And reason. Particularly for the Eugene area and Willamette Valley of Oregon. May your voice have access to the wilderness. Great talk here.

[@WeRHisPoem]

Thanks again Sean! You are soooo cool. What you do is so important and so helpful.

[@SeanMcDowell]

I’m glad it’s helpful!

[@kathrynknipe6615]

Another great conversation. The argument from beauty and the Pascal argument may be closest to my own inner apologetics so it felt good to hear these discussed. Nourishing. Thanks!

[@keithcalder521]

A great conversation, thank you so much. I love Doug’s attitude about out-thinking the world for Christ. He who created the universe and sustains it by His powerful word never required us to kiss our brains goodbye when we follow Him.

[@john14_63]

Don't laugh Sean ....but I also ordered "Evidence That Demands A Verdict" and it just came in today. I took "Evidence" with me to a doc visit an hour ago, and read your father's testimony (in the chapter "He Changed My Life"). I must say: Everyone should read this to get an idea of the miraculous transformation of God in raising someone rom spiritual death and giving them a heart of flesh! What a gift you and Josh are to those who have a heart for following Christ and obeying his command in making disciples of all nations......

[@SeanMcDowell]

Laugh? This is amazing. Thanks for sharing!

[@chikkipop]

It's so silly. Who is convinced by such lightweight nonsense?!

[@katrinalodge6055]

Wow having got to the end I feel excited about this topic.i didn't know it existed!!

[@joycook3093]

This has been an enlightening time! Thank you so much for sharing with us.

[@SeanMcDowell]

You bet!

[@jocelyn4981]

Absolutely amazing! Grabbed his book (most go on a private wish list on Amazon for me to remember to buy "eventually", but this one I got now!) and will most likely be rewatching this, too.

[@konstantinoschristou3701]

Thank you for all. May you be well.

[@martellemostert346]

This was a great interview, thank you. Love what Doug said about church, beauty and Pascall. Hope to find his new book somewhere in South Africa in the near future 🙏.

[@olivermakower2479]

" It's right up there, with my book." Oh the confidence, oh the truth. :)

[@elizabethryan2217]

Ooooooh.. *great* conversation. Plenty of brilliant points made - too many to list, and I'd love to get this book. I have one reservation. When talking about people rejecting the faith because of the sacrifices it would require, I think it's unwise to describe that as being because of a person's "piddling ego" - particularly when struggles like same-sex attraction may be involved - many of which most of us have *no* concept or experience of. We need to remember that people have suicidal ideation on foot of these things. It can be a terribly traumatic position to be in, and I feel we shouldn't undermine that. 🙏🙏 Edit: *"Don't put knowledge above character .. " " .. I think the besetting sin of apologists is arrogance.."* This is so good and true!!! 🔊 📢 🔊 👏👏👏

[@gerharduys2660]

I've been searching for God for over 20 years. As a teenager, I used to preach to youth groups and even people in retirement homes, read my Bible at least an hour a day and prepared myself for the mission field. At 16 years of age though, some atheist planted some seeds of doubt in my. Subtle seeds of doubt. A few weeks later I was an agnostic searching for the truth. Some say God will search for us, but that still hasn't happened after more than 20 years.

[@grantbartley483]

If you can think of a (really) good reason why the original witnesses to the resurrection would lie about seeing Jesus resurrected when they were faced with persecution and martyrdom for saying so, then you have a reason not to believe them. But there is no such reason. So God must exist, because only God can resurrect. Also, whoever lives in love lives in God. Not just any love, but love that loves just because the lover wants to love.

[@chrisazure1624]

I pray you continue to search and question the doubt you had planted.

[@chikkipop]

@@grantbartley483 Utter nonsense. Why?

[@chikkipop]

@@chrisazure1624 Why? He's on the right path, isn't he? No one should believe ancient myths.

[@chrisazure1624]

@@chikkipop Except they are not myths. The life, death and resurrection is well attested.

[@marshallgarrett1593]

I’ve ordered the book ✝️✝️🙏

[@LoveYourNeighbour.]

Looking forward to this!

[@jenndavin]

Dr. Groothuis' book was just my text in an apologetics class. Very good book. Should be on anyone's shelf if this topic is interesting.

[@zhugh9556]

I hear apologists quite often confuse epistemological skepticism with the idea that there is no truth. One can think that there are absolute truths in the universe but be skeptical of the ability of humans to correctly determine what those truths are.

[@dallasdien]

Wonderful wonderful chat. Sean you absolutely appear an earnest and sincere listener. So great to see.

[@SeanMcDowell]

Thanks. I try!

[@dallasdien]

Yes well, well done brother. The Father has gifted you in this area of your pursuits. It’s a pleasure to behold. (Not flattery, glory to God)

[@thomasfurr2328]

I'm buying his book. Thanks.

[@suzannecarman8357]

Thank you so much! I’m looking forward to getting the book for myself and college student grandson who will love it!!

[@suzannecarman8357]

Purchased!!!!!

[@davidpdiaz]

I loved the first edition of Groothuis' book but he mentioned that the print was smaller. I really don't appreciate that bigger books use smaller text. It makes study so much harder I would rather pay more to have a book that is easily approached. Honestly, I have some books that I avoid whenever possible just because the print is too small.

[@logos.digital1849]

What a rich and comprehensive talk! Thank you!

[@Kbo4891]

This was a really great interview

[@mattterry1255]

Ok, shivers. He mentioned 2 of my top 5 favorite guitarists, right off the bat... Fantastic discussion, thank you both so much. Fascinated by apologetics and Christ. Sean, have you had Steve Deace on yet?

[@rajeshshetty4862]

Amazing interview, got lots of insights.

[@melissastone6971]

May the Lord use whom he will.

[@bswizzle1969]

Can you do time stamps? It’d really help with these longer videos

[@discipleprojectoutreach]

I totally guessed wrong how Dr. Doug's last name would be pronounced. Oh, and great interview.

[@resilientrecoveryministries]

I grew up in a Dutch enclave in Michigan. We would have pronounced it GROOT-hice. But of course, he's the authority on his own name.

[@rampartranger7749]

I grew up in a heavily Dutch community, my neighbors had the same name and pronounced it “Groot” rhymes with ROOT and “-huis” rhymes with SLICE.” Other similar names in my town were Nienhuis and Bolthuis (the T separated from the H).

[@bntaft5133]

Thanks y'all! Maranatha!

[@jesseramos714]

Such a good video and coverage of topics

[@Yeprotti]

Aaahhh, so Seán McDowell IS josh McDowell's son! Sean, I read your Dad's book 'More than a Carpenter' in college, reluctantly initially, for a 'boring' religion assignment. Almost everyone else rephrased the blurb at the back of their chosen book. Not only did I read Josh's book, but it became the fuse to my 'powder', years of questions, now awaiting the real light. Only the truth could light that new fuse. Because of sceptusm and healthy questioning, it took quite a while to sepqrqte the fluff from the facts. I have always been grateful for that 1st book. 👍🙏🙏😍

[@WeRHisPoem]

Please pray for my daughter and son-- they are so blind and just don't seem to want to give God a chance! Erin and Tyson.

[@celiabravo2771]

Pray Ezekiel 11:19 -20 everyday for them. I do it for my daughter and son in law. Blessings!

[@luboshcamber1992]

@Kathleen Tucker Check out Living Waters Ministires Ray Comfort here on KZbin, or their website. You will see why they "don't want to give God a chance" and maybe it will help.

[@paulallen7962]

Yahweh never existed any more than Baal, Asherah, Chemosh, Marduk, Dagon or any of the other gods mentioned in the Bible. It's Hebrew mythology. No more true than the indoctrinated beliefs of 3 billion Muslims and Hindus on the planet today.

[@stevec9095]

That is my worst nightmare as a dad. I am going to teach my kids everything I know about apologetics. I have saved many videos like these to help. Ultimately we have to teach them that no matter what they go through in life, just know God is there with them, he does the changing, not them.

[@darrenmiller6927]

Another relevant, informative, and important interview. Great author and guest. I love Sean McDowell in the long form interview, he has a gift. He asks Great questions and let's people answer in length.

[@SeanMcDowell]

Thanks Darren! Appreciate you weighing in so often.

[@MariusVanWoerden]

I started to read the Bible every day, study it and go to church during the week and twice on Sundays as much as I could. I tried to be better but after a year I felt more sinful and instead of better, worst. One night I could not sleep and I felt depressed I started to cry out to the Lord and said: “Lord God I deserve Hell but I cannot for eternity be separated from You.” I saw that one who dies without Christ will instantly be separated from our Creator. Even the atheist and Jews are held up by the God they do not believe in. That is why Christ at the Cross cried out: “My God My God Why have you forsaken me” That we would never be FORSAKEN from our Lord God. It was the deepest point of His suffering. Then these words came in my heart: “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” I saw that God The Father was well pleased with Jesus when He died at the cross and gave His Blood for many. I said Lord God If you are pleased with that scarifies at the Cross why Would I not be pleased with it. I saw that Christ was nailed to the Cross for my sins, and cried out: “My God My God why have You forsaken Me, so that I never will be forsaken by My Heavenly Father. Looking to Christ alone and not my righteousness. At that moment peace came into my heart. Peace With God that no one can understand except only through the Holy Spirit, I felt that the Blood of Christ had washed my sins away. I felt as if I was walking in Paradise without Sin. I was 17 at that time. I’m 82 now. The Bible is the perfect Word of God, and is not only the world’s most widely sold but also most translated book in the world. Individual parts have been translated into 3,394 languages, and the complete Bible into 694 languages. No other book not to mention ancient books are coming even close. That is supernatural. Those that read with faith have been given understanding of the Word of the Lord. Those that want proof will get that in the after life, but then it is too late.

[@TheLookingGlassAU]

To my heartbreak, apologetics and ethics seem to be taking a back seat to ministry training and counselling subjects in Bible colleges in Australia (particularly the state of Victoria)

[@edeancozzens3833]

I've heard that Carlos Santana has come to faith in Christ. I grew up in Greeley and knew some of the students in the Navigators at UNC, CSU, and CU.

[@hongotedesco8931]

Oh yeah, helped him a lot throughout his life, it's not a recent thing.

[@pipinfresh]

There is a need for a resurgence in presuppositional apologetics. The work of Greg Bahnsen and Van Til needs to become more prominent in modern apologetics.

[@thomasthellamas9886]

Presup is dead and buried as it should be

[@piperdanielle]

Great interview never heard of him before and glad I watched definitely going to get this book.

[@SeanMcDowell]

Awesome, enjoy!

[@SpanishwithNeena]

This was very good.

[@paulwood6636]

Thanks Sean

[@williamwrightjr.2765]

I hope I have Doug's hair at his age. It's beautiful and makes me believe in God.

[@jimfarnell5813]

Dealing With Doubt by Gary Habermas has be an enormous help for me…

[@Strongtower]

What's it about? I assume it's about dealing with doubt hence the title but what are some of the things Gary talks about?

[@jimfarnell5813]

@@Strongtower The book is no longer in print but it is made available on Gary’s website… He describes & defines 3 types of doubt- factual, emotional, volitional- Then how identify your type of doubt and how to deal with it… there’s a lot more to the book… he also has several KZbin videos on the subject…

[@Steve101747]

Many people use apologetics to evangelize, and may God grant them success. I see apologetics as extremely important for young Christians to "extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one." In today's culture young people are constantly being barraged with attacks on their faith, and apologetics is important to being fitted with the full armor of God.

[@hongotedesco8931]

But there is no god, therefore no "armor of god". Can't we just stop with these ancient superstitions and make decisions based on what we've learned over the millennia?

[@Steve101747]

@@hongotedesco8931 Who told you that?

[@hongotedesco8931]

@@Steve101747 Nobody really told me that, it's simply the obvious conclusion from doing a lot of reading: Science, History, Philosophy, Theology, etc, etc. Human beings have been inventing gods/religions for millennia, and the probability that any one of those thousands is actually true? Yeah, close to zero. Of course, I can't prove it's zero (that's why I say "close to zero"), but, because it is so close to zero, I just work with the zero (typical math thing).

[@Steve101747]

@@hongotedesco8931 I see that you have made a reasoned decision based upon your study. There are many scientists of all disciplines and philosophers who also hold to your view. Conversely, there are also many scientists of all disciplines and philosophers who hold to the view that there is a creator God who is revealed in Scripture.

[@hongotedesco8931]

@@Steve101747 Oh I completely understand that many intelligent people, including modern people, hold not only to a creator god, but believe Christianity is true. The perfect example is Francis Collins. I think he's completely mistaken of course. Just witness the moment of his conversion "walking through the woods I see a frozen waterfall with 3 streams, it was so beautiful, it had to be a sign from god of the Trinity". Wow. That to me is super flimsy, it just boggles my mind how he buys that. Any belief in these inventions are clearly delusional. The super interesting question is why people that are scientists, and are intelligent, buy this stuff. A "religion instinct"? Some sort of genetic/physiological tweak? But on that note, if you look at the members of the NAS, while they're not 100% atheist, the % of atheism is much higher than in the general population.

[@solideogloria5553]

amen, 41:00 got me, i can relate to that so much. God did apologetic non-apologetically all the time in the bible. and only his words comforts us because it is truth that will not fade.

[@drakevane2663]

Much needed these times

[@solideogloria5553]

asking questions! great advice.

[@jamiebanks4939]

Honestly Dr. McDowell, I don't believe in most of what you do, but I enjoy the spirit you conduct your interviews with. And I also like the introspection you keep bringing up - it's really healthy and in itself is quite a statement in the current environment. In this interview, you ask about the future of apologetics. I think the answer is about mimesis. Dr. Dennis MacDonald is the leading expert in the world (as far as I can tell) on this. If you haven't read his books, I don't see how you can be prepared for what is coming. Also, the issue of pro-life, that's an extraordinarily complicated one with a fundamentally political dimension to it. What has to be addressed is the related doctrines. Christian doctrines actually favour abortion in a practical sense because there is a common belief that a baby that dies will automatically go to heaven, whereas a baby that lives to adulthood is far more likely not to go to heaven. How does one defend a pro-life stance when heaven-guaranteed is the result?

[@SeanMcDowell]

Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts, Jamie. I appreciate the suggestions too.

[@jamiebanks4939]

​@@SeanMcDowell Thank you so much for taking time to reply! About Dr. MacDonald's work I recommend the following video as a teaser. I know you are busy so I suggest just watching the 3 and a half minutes from 18:20 to 21:52. I would LOVE to see Dr. MacDonald on your show. He now has a complete summary of all the mimesis in all four gospels and the Book of Acts. I am certain his work will start to gain significant attention in the next few years and well beyond. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o2PJhXusna2lo5I

[@thomasthellamas9886]

The Christians first duty is to love God To love God is to obey God God commands men not to murder The ProLife Christian believes abortion is murder To be in accord with the position of loving God the Christian ought not commit or support abortion.

[@maryloulongenbaugh7069]

Fireweed is beautiful in the bright fuschia color, especially with blue mountains in the back drop.

[@quakers200]

The sciences do not require apologetics. No scientist is defending Aristotle's understanding of the universe, or the nature of matter. This is due in part because of the supposed infallibility of the bible, the divine nature of it. Of course not even apologists can't agree on what exactly the bible means. Every denomination needs its own apologists to defend it's position. Science, on the other hand, has no sacred texts. Scientists have bias is like anyone else but creating demonstrable experiments limits that plus there are always other scientists ready and willing to dispute each other with better experiments or better observations. Apologetics starts with the answer and works backwards to find evidence.

[@grimmpunisher]

Don't forget A.I. I expect a huge rise in all forms. I mean, whenever I'm stumped, I just ask AI and confirm. I've actually started to learn a lot more. Then again I'm more of a visual learner

[@pastorlawrenceajiboye5596]

Hi Sean, I just watched your conversation with Dr Doug Groothuis. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Do you know how I can get in touch with him?

[@SeanMcDowell]

Email me through seanmcdowell.org and I will forward it to him.

[@PzIz]

Fantastic content!

[@terryhemingway6983]

I am increasingly becoming convinced is the most effective apologetics is the Christian life well lived, both individually and in community. This will occur only through the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. What can I do? First repent, then pray, pray, pray!

[@Arxy134]

Are any of Dr. Groothuis books available in audiobooks form? I have looked and couldn't find them.

[@lhart5632]

Christian Apologetics is in audio books.

[@radscorpion8]

The biggest question of all is: Why does God need apologetics? The fact that a person's immortal afterlife depends on whether they a) come across Dr. Groothuis and b) believe his works or that of any other apologist, is basically all you need to identify that there is something deeply wrong with most organized religions. No one would devise a system that relies largely on random chance for you to be "saved". Not to mention people born in Islam...who face the death penalty for apostasy. There is almost no chance they will convert to Christianity if they live in a country with such a penalty. What happens to their "souls" then? Because under traditional catholic doctrine, don't they just go to hell?

[@kiq654]

Because its flawed ideology called religion. It has no evidence and old school blind faith defence doesnt work. People understood at some point its not obvious god was responsible for kids being born etc. Little by little we pushed gods deeds to "nobody knows if god was involved in evolution of humanity or big bang". It annoyed many thinkers why believe in something so stupid if blind faith is only evidence and proof for christ being of god, is god but not holy spirit.

[@kennywong5857]

Apologetics is to counter fallacies as you show here. You sound as if you have a better way for the truth of God to convey. As a matter of fact, you don't! By the choice of the Islam's ancestors, they rejected the truth (let's assume it truth for the sake of argument), do you have a better suggestion on how shall that be dealt with. You don't! It's like a tornado is going to hit Florida, everyone will have to stick to a news channel to get to the news. You can't deal with those intendedly turn off all electronic devices to isolate himself from the truth under broadcasting! In short, the gospel is conveyed in such a manner that humans don't have a better way for it to convey. It's already conveyed in the best way. God's job is to make a self-sacrifice, all left is for humans to try there best to convey the truth. Christians are all in full effort to convey such a truth under its deity's explicit command that, the gospel must be preached to all nations. The gospel has been preached to the Middle East with the same effort, it's rejected there by people's free will. Do any other religions have such an preaching effort in history? That's why all other religions remain 'local' in one way or another, they don't have mission along with an explicit command from their gods to do such a preaching in a human-facing manner.

[@ELishaJesus1980]

Doug has experience of the word and scriptures coming alive to him through illumination that includes a light or photon phenomena. He had it reading F Scheaffer, and in one of our email exchanges I asked him if he had experienced the illumination of the scriptures, and his reply was "yes". I copy and pasted it to notepad. LOL

[@DiZazzosforJesus]

Could it be that the leaders of today's institutional church have gotten so caught up in other things that the power of God is not moving? God is not asking any leader to 'entertain' believers and make them happy, looking at the words of Jesus, Jesus wanted all of His people to GO and make disciples of all the nations, Jesus wanted His people to love Him with all their heart and soul, Jesus wanted all of His people to be ready for His return, Jesus wanted us to worship Him in Spirit and in Truth and through it all He said He would love us and not forsake us, He would give rest to the weary and show us His grace and mercy. God's word, which is the truth we should be staying with, said we are to contend earnestly for the faith that was once for all time handed down to the saints. It does not say 'plus what ever you want to add' or 'if you want to worship me in your own special way', believers if it is not in God's word, don't make it part of your worship and service to Him. To us it seems that leaders are caught up in how to fix America and so many other things. Jesus called out certain believers to be leaders so that they would preach as He directed. Instead, we have leaders selling or buying books, devotionals, programs, trainings, conferences, merchandise, etc.; focusing on youth groups, Sunday school classes, VBS, singles groups, recovery groups, grief groups, men's groups, woman's groups, etc.; making sure they have board meetings and church votes, following the government standards, not paying taxes and calling it a blessing from God, even though the church of satan does not have to pay taxes either, sending out tax statements (yet pretending they don't know who gives the most money), making sure their building is beautiful, etc.; focusing months on holidays set up by the catholic church not by God, bringing in secular 'holidays' right into the worship of God, such as mother's day, father's day, thanksgiving, the fourth of July, etc.; setting up denominations that get hung up on one thing or another and believing they are the only group doing it right, AKA, I follow Cephas, I follow Paul, I follow Appolos. Absolutely none of this is in God's word yet leaders focus on these things anyway. Why, why can't leaders and believers see how they have gotten off track? Every Christian believer seems to be thankful for what Jesus has done in their life, but not thankful enough to rid themselves of what is not in God's word. Why? Remember Jesus said, when He returns will He find faith on the earth. Jesus did not speak frivolously, Jesus spoke many time about such things, being ready, following the narrow road which few would find because they are on the broadway, Jesus is warning His followers, that they will be led astray, yet even when you point out the most common ways they have gone astray, they will not listen and get back on the narrow way. Is there anyone out there that will purify how they serve and worship the Lord? Do leaders and believers understand that when you add to God's word, you make your worship and service lukewarm? Do leaders and believers understand that for centuries God has put up with this lukewarmness and He has given us the message that the time of His vomiting this lukewarm church is approaching very, very quickly. These messages are warnings to His people that you need to heed the knocking on the door and come out from the church that 'does it their own way'. Do not fall for those that say Revelation 3:14-22 is about 'fake' Christians that were never really saved, God sent an angel to each of His churches because they are His people. We have been preaching the messages from God as a warning to His people. Time is running very short and you will be without excuse. He who has ears to hear, please hear before it is too late! kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKecfZmcqLKAb5o

[@kellycross3182]

How do you learn if you are over 50 extremely interested in knowing how to share with family and friends without any degree's or formal education under me? I'm a retired 30 year flight attendant. Any advice? I'm on my third time reading the entire Bible. The Bible is my passion but I can't explain everything I know at all. I really want to be more articulate. Any one have advise for me or direction? Thank You!

[@derekmchardy8730]

Hi Kelly. This suggestion is not mainly about content ie the what of conversations, it's mainly about the how. 1) Greg Koukl's book Tactics is helpful. 2) If you have two or more Christian friends you can trust try this exercise: Write down on slips of paper objections you've heard or are afraid you'll come up against. ' How can a good God allow suffering?' ' Christians are bigots' etc etc. Put the paper slips in a hat, draw them at random, and take turns playing the Christian, the skeptic and an observer. Don't worry if you get stuck. The point is to learn from each other and learn which are topics needing further study. I know most people hate role play but your years as a flight attendant will stand you in excellent stead and people I've done this with find it very helpful. 3) On the 'what' to say I strongly recommend Mike Winger's Bible Thinker KZbin channel. He's a great Bible teacher and apologist who has messages covering many objections to Christianity. His website also now has a search engine to look up specific topics of interest. Hope that helps. Greetings from Scotland. God bless you and your family.

[@kellycross3182]

@@derekmchardy8730 Thank you for replying! Your advise is great! I have listened to a lot of Mike Winger's videos! Thank you again! God Bless! PS. I've been to Scotland! Lovely people!

[@luboshcamber1992]

@Kelly Cross Check out Ray Comfort,.Living waters ministries, he has tons if videos on KZbin. Do what he does.

[@gtf5392]

@ Kelly Cross - I remember a pastor talking about attending a Billy Graham crusade to see what Billy Graham was saying that was so eloquent as to draw so many people to his events. To the pastor’s surprise, Billy Graham was just preaching from the Bible. Sometimes we try to put God’s word into our own words instead of just letting God speak for Himself. It sounds like you know the Bible well, so you are well-equipped to share. Romans 1:16 ‘For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God into salvation for everyone who believes’. God bless.

[@collegepennsylvania837]

“Seek the Lord while you can find him. Call on him now while he is near. Let the wicked change their ways and banish the very thought of doing wrong. Let them turn to the Lord that he may have mercy on them. Yes, turn to our God, for he will forgive generously. “My thoughts are nothing like your thoughts,” says the Lord. “And my ways are far beyond anything you could imagine. For just as the heavens are higher than the earth, so my ways are higher than your ways and my thoughts higher than your thoughts.” ‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭55:6-9‬ ‭NLT‬‬ God has His arms open to all of us to receive salvation. Let us turn to Him and receive His amazing grace and love. Also let us turn away from our sinful ways and live in obedience to God. There is no wiser thing we can do than to obey God because He knows everything and wants what is best for us. He wants to help us and show us mercy, but we need to turn to Him to receive it. Remember that God’s ways are far beyond what we could ever imagine. He can work, and is working through all things for our good and His glory. Hopefully this helped you and brought you hope today. God bless you!

[@theoskeptomai2535]

I am seeking evidence for Christianity.

[@justingary5322]

Ok look it up

[@justingary5322]

Obviously you're not STOP LYING THEO SKEPTOMAI

[@theoskeptomai2535]

@@justingary5322 I have. What am I lying about, Justin?

[@theoskeptomai2535]

@@justingary5322 Not going to answer? Now everyone can see who is actually lying.

[@BookOfMorman]

Ignore weird trolls. I watched "The Case for Christ" yesterday. While it's not documented scientific articles, it is quite informative and entertaining.

[@rainamcgrath6445]

Sean I've been following your videos for some time now and I so appreciate how you ask good questions to people of all faiths. I have been struggling in my marriage since my husband had started a journey of deconversion 13 years ago. We were always best friends and have been married for 33 years now. We have raised three boys and by the grace of God they all Believe in Christ. But now we find ourselves lonely in our marriage oftentimes because my husband is an atheist and I am a Christian. I have tried to keep hoping and praying that God will open his eyes to truth again. But I find my joy is often stolen and My Hope often gone. I know that the God we serve is big enough to take care of this yet feel despair too often. Do you have any suggestions on how to restart the spiritual conversation? He wants me to listen to his side again. I just don't know how to keep myself from getting defensive and just affirming him and his beliefs, if that's even possible because at the end of the day probably no matter what he says I'm going to think that he interpreted the information wrongly. I have been studying everything I can to be a better apologist which I am not good. At the end of the day I still feel it takes a matter of faith for the things that we are not or cannot be certain of.

[@hongotedesco8931]

You are correct that at the end of the day "it's a matter of faith", because frankly, there is zero evidence for any of this "christianity" stuff, so you're choosing to believe it because it makes you feel good, which is completely understandable. But for some of us, truth is important, and it tears us up to believe in made up things, so we don't. Eg, from a Babylonian tablet currently housed at the Morgan library in NYC: The god Enki(Ea) tells Atrahasis of the impending flood and instructs him to build an ark. The flood story is just.a recycled myth from religions that predate the old testament, and by a lot, like 1000 years.

[@why52728]

Every kid needs to be shown proof of the Bible when I was in 3rd grade I used to pray and try to read my Bible I couldn't read good yet but kids got to me because they showed me proof that my parents thought I was too young for

[@why52728]

The kids proof turned out to be false but still alot of them don't know that

[@JuanRodriguez-jn7zx]

Gracias!!!!

[@SeanMcDowell]

De nada!!!

[@ricardosierra9240]

Brother Sean, haven’t been able to log in on the live interviews I have been super crazy busy but thank you once again for your dedication and great interviews! I wanted to ask you, what children books would you recommend? Ages 5-15

[@dennismetzler1876]

Good video but Sean needs to tweak the equalization on his mic. It needs a lot more from the bass end.

[@tishaperry4701]

Can anyone tell me what book he is talking about when he mentions the 7-8 new chapters in his book and around minute 48 discusses how to defend the atonement

[@lhart5632]

Christian Apologetics book, new edition. It is an outstanding book!

[@justingary5322]

FOURTH COMMENT I'M EARLY ASFLIP AGAIN 👊. AMEN brother McDowell and I really appreciate your Christ centered and Scripturally accurate content for the furtherance of The Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ 🙏❤️👊. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't. I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict. Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers. Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of but not macro or micro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word. Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.

[@mugglescakesniffer3943]

Socratic method is great method for teaching.

[@georgeoneal78]

Because prophecy is being fulfilled before our very eyes. The ungodly try to deny and hide the truth but they cant

[@ubersheizer5398]

Are you saying that one prophecy fulfilled is that "Some people won't believe our religion is true?"

[@ancientfiction5244]

*The Enuma Elish would later be the inspiration for the Hebrew scribes who created the text now known as the biblical Book of Genesis.* Prior to the 19th century CE, the Bible was considered the oldest book in the world and its narratives were thought to be completely original. In the mid-19th century CE, however, European museums, as well as academic and religious institutions, sponsored excavations in Mesopotamia to find physical evidence for historical corroboration of the stories in the Bible. ***These excavations found quite the opposite, however, in that, once cuneiform was translated, it was understood that a number of biblical narratives were Mesopotamian in origin.*** *Famous stories such as the Fall of Man and the Great Flood were originally conceived and written down in Sumer,* translated and modified later in Babylon, and reworked by the Assyrians ***before they were used by the Hebrew scribes for the versions which appear in the Bible.*** ***In revising the Mesopotamian creation story for their own ends, the Hebrew scribes tightened the narrative and the focus but retained the concept of the all-powerful deity who brings order from chaos.*** Marduk, in the Enuma Elish, establishes the recognizable order of the world - *just as God does in the Genesis tale* - and human beings are expected to recognize this great gift and honor the deity through service. Google *"Enuma Elish - The Babylonian Epic of Creation - Full Text - World History Encyclopedia"* Also discussed by Professor Christine Hayes at Yale University in her first lecture of the series on the Hebrew Bible from approx. 8:50. From a Biblical scholar: "Many stories in the ancient world have their origins in other stories and were borrowed and modified from other or earlier peoples. *For instance, many of the stories now preserved in the Bible are* ***modified*** *versions of stories that existed in the cultures and traditions of Israel’s* ***older*** *contemporaries.* Stories about the creation of the universe, a cataclysmic universal flood, digging wells as land markers, the naming of important cultic sites, gods giving laws to their people, and even stories about gods decreeing the possession of land to their people were all part of the cultural and literary matrix of the ancient Near East. *Biblical scribes freely* ***adopted and modified*** *these stories as a means to express their own identity, origins, and customs."* *"Stories from the Bible"* by Dr Steven DiMattei, from his website *"Biblical Contradictions"* ------------------------------------------------------------------ In addition, look up the below articles. *"Debunking the Devil - Michael A. Sherlock (Author)"* *"10 Ways The Bible Was Influenced By Other Religions - Listverse"* *"Top Ten Reasons Noah’s Flood is Mythology - The Sensuous Curmudgeon"* *"The Adam and Eve myth - News24"* *"The origins of the Ten Commandments - Carpe Scriptura"* *"Before Adam and Eve - Psychology Today"* *"Gilgamesh vs. Noah - Wordpress"* *"No, Humans Are Probably Not All Descended From A Single Couple Who Lived 200,000 Years Ago"* *"Adam & Eve: Theologians Try to Reconcile Science and Fail - The New Republic"* *"Adam and Eve: the ultimate standoff between science and faith (and a contest!) - Why Evolution Is True"* *"Bogus accommodationism: The return of Adam and Eve as real people, as proposed by a wonky quasi-scientific theory - Why Evolution Is True"* *"How many scientists question evolution? - **sciencemeetsreligion.org**"* *"What is the evidence for evolution? - Common-questions - BioLogos"* (A Christian organisation) *"Old Testament Tales Were Stolen From Other Cultures - Griffin"* *"Parallelism between “The Hymn to Aten” and Psalm 104 - Project Augustine"* *"Contradictions in the Bible | Identified verse by verse and explained using the most up-to-date scholarly information about the Bible, its texts, and the men who wrote them -- by Dr. Steven DiMattei"* *"How do we know that the biblical writers were* ***not*** *writing history? -- by Dr Steven DiMattei"*

[@ancientfiction5244]

*Let's briefly run through the 'ten plagues':* First the rivers are turned to blood, all the fish die and the waters stink. No one has any water to drink. This lasted for seven days and would have resulted in mass deaths due to dehydration. Amongst the first to die would have been the children. *The author doesn't think to explain how the Hebrews were saved from this. No record of it was made anywhere in any Egyptian records.* Exodus 7:17-25. This is followed by a plague of frogs which had somehow survived the rivers of blood that had killed all the fish. A mere inconvenience, nothing more, and a big stink when they all died, *but no record anywhere.* Exodus 8:2-13. Next we have the plague of lice about which very little is said *and of course no record was made.* To a people who would have been accustomed to lice this would probably have been nothing remarkable. Exodus 8:16-18. Then the flies. Apart from the land being 'corrupted', whatever that means, there don't appear to have been any ill effects from this and they disappear as quickly as they came a few days later. *Nothing worth recording there, obviously.* Exodus 8:21-31. Now the author seems to begin to lose the plot and describes a 'grievous murrain' *which kills all the Egyptians' cattle, horses, camels and sheep.* ***They all died - hold that thought.*** *No Egyptian historian or keeper of official records deems it worthy of mention.* Exodus 9:3-6. Next come the boils which afflict everyone and everything, including all the livestock ***even though they had been killed by the 'grievous murrain' a few days earlier,*** *apparently, and yet no-one thought to write anything down anywhere.* Of course, anyone who understood anything about microorganisms and the aeteology of boils would have described this as an infestation with Staphylococcus - the signs of faecal contamination - but the author was obviously unaware of these. Maybe he was just in too much of a muddle by now to care. Exodus 9:8-11. Now it's hailstones so bad that every plant, every tree, every servant (for servant read slave) ***and even the livestock (that our story-teller has forgotten already that he killed off in the fifth plague before given them boils in the sixth) were harmed.*** It looks like our story-teller has learned from his earlier silly mistake with killing all the livestock too soon then having to resurrect them later. He mentions that some plants survive. Do I smell stinking fish again? *The greatest hail storm in all Egyptian history, apparently, but not worthy of being recorded.* Exodus 9:18-25. It's the turn of the locusts and it's suddenly obvious why some plants had to survive. *How could the locusts turn Egypt into a barren desert if the hail storm had done it earlier?* Good thinking there. Shame about the earlier boob! *Mysteriously, no Egyptian scribe appears to notice any of this or the inevitable famine and mass starvation which would have ensued.* Exodus 10:4-15. And for the penultimate trick, it's going to be dark for three days. *No one makes a record of this, obviously.* Exodus 10:21-23. The last 'plague' is not so much a plague as a ritual genocide. *Here our tale takes a nasty turn and the true character of the Hebrew god is revealed in all its glory - a petty, vindictive, homicidal psychopath who has not yet acquired the omniscience he will be granted later. He kills every firstborn Egyptian in a single night,* ***including the firstborn of all the cattle that died in the fifth plague.*** *For some reason he needs the Hebrews to leave a secret sign so he doesn't kill them too. Weirdly, he can't tell his own chosen people from ordinary Egyptians and doesn't even know where they live.* And he had been leading up to this, apparently, because after every plague he 'hardens the heart' of Pharaoh so that he wouldn't let the Hebrews go. He had actually been planning this genocide all along just to impress people with his powers. *And still no-one thought even this mass killing in a single night worth making a note of in any Egyptian records.* Exodus 12:1-30. And then, of course, Pharaoh could muster up 600 horses to pull the chariots ***from amongst all the dead livestock from the 5th plague*** (Exodus 14:7). Google *"Rosa Rubicondior: Origins Of The Exodus Myth"* ------------------------------------------------------------------ In addition, look up the below articles. *"Debunking Christianity: PATTERNS OF POOR RESEARCH- A Critique of Patterns of Evidence:Exodus"* *"For you were (not) slaves in Egypt: The ancient memories behind the Exodus myth - Archaeology - **Haaretz.com**"* *"Why the Exodus Story Has Value Despite Being Complete Myth - Psychology Today Australia"* *"Is the Exodus a Myth? - Worlds Beyond"* *"Historicity of Exodus and Moses - The Creatively Maladjusted"* *"Biblical Contradiction #81. When did the Exodus allegedly happen: during the reign of Rameses II (1279-1213 BC) OR in 1447 BC?"* *"Ten Reasons Why the Bible’s Story of the Exodus is Not True - by Tim Zeak - ExCommunications - Medium"* *"Why Moses Did Not Write the Torah - Thomas Shoemaker"* *"Sargon the Great and Moses - The Word of Me… Wordpress"* *"Contradictions in the Bible | Identified verse by verse and explained using the most up-to-date scholarly information about the Bible, its texts, and the men who wrote them -- by Dr. Steven DiMattei"* *"How do we know that the biblical writers were* ***not*** *writing history? -- by Dr Steven DiMattei"*

[@avi8r66]

discovery institue seems to like him, which is akin to al capone supporting a candidate for police chief.

[@MrWishihadagibson]

“No turning back” is the flip side to hard core atheism. I’m not sure if there is honest thoughts in either extreme.

[@ManuelaMusicEntertainer]

Bear in mind that Socrates was using question & answer, the Logos, or Logic, 400 years before Jesus, so Jesus wasn’t the first historical thinker to display this “forma mentis”.

[@dancotandi9145]

How can I enroll in your apologetic school?