Jason Kidd's beef with Jim Jackson involved Jamal Mashburn and a big Toni Braxton myth

[@dadverb]

I just discovered these mini-docs and I'm hooked. So well edited and hooked me from the beginning.

[@SChome100]

Same here lol

[@magacop5180]

SB Nation Making Sports History Great Again 👍🏿

[@chendaddy]

Same. I don't know who this host is, but he's really good, and the way SN cuts him into the segments is also quality editing.

[@Lightdion]

It is sooooo good

[@FANGTHELASTWOLF]

Ikr. The do a good bit of resarch.

[@DinoWinoSaur]

please NEVER stop making these until you run out of beefs to talk about and then switch to a different league. It's the main reason I'm subscribed to this channel.

[@codychan1335]

These vids are so well put together and easy to understand the story. Keep up the good work guys 💪💯

[@malduguns1]

Black Asian guys?

[@Ggorazzi]

asians can't be black?

[@mce1605]

But is it Jon Bois?

[@davylee4562]

Damn.......Jason Kidd-JJ-Mashburn in Dallas........Penny vs Shaq in Orlando.......and LJ vs Mourning in Charlotte......Point: The 1990's were filled with petty beefs that derailed franchises!!!

[@DEVON215]

The bigger story is how Phoenix keeps pimping Dallas out of there point guards 😂😂

[@Ghost1KG]

TO THIS DAY!

[@delstanley1349]

+Devin Williams> Didn't Dallas strike first? They started getting good again in those days when the Mavs took Michael Finley from the Suns and a year or two later Steve Nash also from the Suns. Thus their core guards then came from the Suns. They pimped the Suns out their coach too----- Nelly Jr. who eventually became GM who years later would take Dirk and more recently Luka. Shawn Marion (no PG of course) helped the Mavs win a championship. He didn't go directly to the Mavs, but was out of Phoenix for only a year I believe before he went to Dallas. If Dallas hadn't pimped the Suns first these players and coach including Dirk and currently Luka may have never seen a Mav uniform.

[@lookatvedman9993]

@Elite Soulfly ok einstein

[@anthonyali7309]

Coulda woulda shoulda

[@toughshit330]

Yea but Phoenix cant win so it dont matter 😂😂

[@Kennyisdarkvanilla]

A smart GM woulda just traded Jim Jackson. Everyone could tell he was the problem.

[@FilipoSooaUlufale]

What's the problem with Jim Jackson? Is it because he sleeps with teammates' wives and ex-wives and bones them so much they get mad over him?

[@AdolfShitler69420]

Filipo Sooa Alright Jimmy boi relax stop making burners.

[@spsouthside9]

Facts.

[@malgold88]

90s Mavs. Think modern Knicks but irrelevant

[@jobdoneright5934]

@Robert Manders so is your dad

[@kingdavid8870]

Imagine them just reading Jackson and keeping Mashburn and Kidd while drafting Dirk too? That would’ve been a team to reckon with!

[@nathaniellevesque2782]

I highly doubt had they kept Kidd and Mashburn together, that they are bad enough by 1998 to get the 9th overall pick required to get Dirk.

[@cuongquoc5877]

@@nathaniellevesque2782 THat 9th is from a trade of Milwaukee. But yea, they need to be bad to trade their pick that year to get Dirk

[@Roughnalph]

Jim Jackson must have been annoying as hell to be traded that many times. You either have a talent that is good for trade bait, or you can't get along with people to move that many times. Seems like the latter for Mr. Jackson.

[@matthewroberts198]

Jason Griffith Well...Jim Jackson got injured alot. It was hard for him to stay healthy as well

[@andresmartinez8439]

Jason Griffith true I always wondered why Jim Jackson always got traded when he had some talent. Your character means a lot in the NBA.

[@Israel-nb7ip]

He had a reputation for being a "locker room lawyer" which isn't a positive term in the NBA. Always had an issue with something or someone. Sad cuz he had a lot of talent.

[@quanbrooklynkid7776]

@@Israel-nb7ip damn

[@Dranreb865]

Jimmy butler. Another J

[@hamzahhashmi4127]

"In 1994 the Dallas Mavericks assembled one of the NBA's most exciting young cores. By 1997, all of them were gone." Fast forward to OKC... sounds pretty familiar.

[@KBFWT2552]

FACTS

[@matthewhyman2208]

hope it doesn’t happen to this okc team

[@meanjean3023]

Wrapping gifts and watching beef history. I’ve seen most of them, but I could watch these over and over.

[@JustNeedaBeerandPark]

Damn.......Jason Kidd-JJ-Mashburn in Dallas........Penny vs Shaq in Orlando.......and LJ vs Mourning in Charlotte......Point: The 1990's were filled with petty beefs that derailed franchises!!!

[@jumahbrady670]

Facts 💯

[@matthewlo7868]

So.. Shaq v Penny beef history in near future?

[@resurrectedpa]

Shaq and Penny had beef? Tf

[@heartbreak25]

Shaq and Penny never had beef. There's a 30 for 30 on why the Magic didn't work.

[@JustNeedaBeerandPark]

@@heartbreak25 It was "Cold War beef"....aka...you knew US-Soviets hated each other...and gave each other low blows (read Shaqs book for 2011)....but kept it peaceful...Shaq-Kobe was WWII...full blown war..

[@DJLukk4]

My favourite series on youtube the last 2 months

[@earffalmighty9359]

Jim Jackson don't look like he aged since 90s

[@FilipoSooaUlufale]

@Earff Almighty : Is it because Jim Jackson still looks like he has the same hairline since his NBA playing days or are you referring to his personality and general lack of professionalism?

[@paulmalhi5003]

I remember when Jason Kidd was a rookie I started collecting basketball cards. I used to get excited when I would open a pack and get a Grant Hill rookie, Glen Robinson, or a Jason Kidd rookie. Loved that year in bball. Also loved watching the three Js in Dallas, but I had no idea at the time that players were beefing.

[@jpmnky]

I started the year Larry Johnson was a rookie. Pretty weak class. But 1992, 93, and 94 had amazing rookie classes. 1995 was good too. By 1996, a class people knew was loaded but nobody saw THAT coming, I was getting out of the hobby for the most part. Twelve years later I was playing catch up. Man, that year Kidd and Grant were rookies was awesome all around.

[@javiercxstillo]

I Love these type of videos

[@thekornreeper]

Me too

[@bulldogmadhav5762]

(Love) triangle offense

[@tgonz4066]

*._.*

[@notsauer]

That should be a before and after on Wheel of Fortune I know. I’m a nerd.

[@Number1LuckiFan]

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuu- that's meta

[@AmanSingh-bt1rx]

😂😂

[@MrBRich769]

Well. Played.

[@dthomscappello]

I was waiting for this one. You can't say "NBA beef" without "Jason Kidd and Jim Jackson"

[@cianoaichir2725]

Jamal mashburn,seriously underated

[@JacaboBlanco]

Dudes kind of a forgotten name now adays. He was really good for a long time.

[@jdrifter8]

Those Mavs jerseys 🔥

[@josealbertoaquino8279]

In ten years Karl Anthony Towns, andrew wiggins and Jimmy Butler! Haha

[@Stinky_Steven]

Rip them 😂

[@Robokopp96]

Nothing but love for beef history!

[@JRRobles]

At 8:10 “already had multiple beeves” I respect the pluralization of beef my dude

[@avkingoking]

"I got girls that make that chick Toni Braxton look like Whoopi."

[@TruBlue357]

Either Show Proof Or It's Bullshit!

[@ThaSmilester317]

Big L

[@killabee5810]

I run with sturdy cliques, I'm never hittin dirty chicks....

[@Akaya7777]

Killa Bee got 35 bodies dont make it 36

[@k.rick_9993]

@@Akaya7777 Step to this you're good as gone, word is bond I leave mics torn when I put it on

[@ddearing]

I don't know how much info you could fine, but a Beef History on Jermaine O'Neal and Ron Artest would be fascinating. Those dudes HATED each other when they were on the Pacers.

[@andresmartinez8439]

David Dearing I did hear about this rumor but weren’t so sure if it were true.

[@ziewknihtewza]

The way Jermaine stood up for Artest during the malice at the palace incident, I would've never guessed. Jermaine was hitting all those Pistons fans with brutal fatalities. But then again, both those teams were just full of thug ass players, so he might've just done it for the hell of it.

[@oldfrend]

@@ziewknihtewza yeah he was a foot slip away from spinning a fat little white dude's head around like a bugs bunny cartoon XD

[@zenmar84]

Lol i guess what happened with detroit patch up their salty relationship.

[@morriselliott7004]

pretty much everybody hated Ron Artest.

[@trickyplaydo6150]

Do more like these please

[@TheFlightMike]

Excellent post!

[@erikboydston4476]

yo what mike is here

[@jknumber5138]

Not that excellent. Up and coming pop artist Toni Braxton? She's been out since 1993(Chris Webber rookie season). She went platinum on her first album. She's been up💯

[@RariShiesty]

One thing I've learned from this video is don Nelson is under appreciated in basketball

[@razkable]

Well yeah...most wins by a coach..part of numerous good title teams as a player and teams in different decades winning games playoff series as a coach..nelson was awful late in his career but what can you do he got denial by 2008...

[@SuperStrik9]

Interesting that the Mavs over the 4 year span ('91-'94) it took to acquire Jackson, Mashburn and Kidd, lost one more game than the "Process" era Sixers in the 4 years ('14-'17) it took to assemble their current team. Both are 1 and 2 for largest loss total over a 4 year period in NBA history. 254 and 253 losses.

[@floridagator1765]

" 1 thing is true Toni Braxton is 🔥"😂😂

[@chaosgreyblood]

There's one other factor you guys forgot. The mid-90s Mavs didn't have a veteran presence or two in the locker that could help reel in the Three Js and keep the house in order. You got three young guns with growing egos, nothing to held them in check in the midst of mediocre coaching and bad management while they had to contend with each other. How else did you all think things were gonna end? :P

[@theokuo8850]

Beef History is the best

[@1TotalJabroni]

Lol wtf? Why do I feel like guys from that era are way more selfish? I can't see any rookie or young guys feuding like that or having egos like that in today's game. Uh, doesn't teamwork win games?

[@SH-jd3zg]

It's always the ones that were pretty good but not great like Latrell Spreewell. They always are way too high on themselves.

[@fivesquaredyt2521]

Savanna Henry cause if they screw up, they get plastered on social media.

[@FilipoSooaUlufale]

@Fox D : What do you mean "nowadays, it's a lot easier to have a guy like Jim Jackson just drummed out of the league..."?

[@pkamvp]

Jacob Taylor watching this made me a lil worried about my Sixers. I can see Ben being a diva leaving Embiid and Fultz.

[@ZER-bt8fk]

Paris. Ben is a good guy, absolutely no ego. Top 5 most respectable in the league. It’s embiid who’s the diva

[@Eternal5ent]

I can’t stop watching your videos 😫

[@TheJulior1983]

Yes keep making these videos. All that 1990s NBA stuff is awesome

[@insect-man]

Monster Mash could have been so good if he had a coach to develop him

[@rcfresh4345]

@MARC D.don't know about all that.. I know he had some injury issues & a dysfunctional team that maybe cost him a shot at the hall of fame

[@FuShengAlex]

He was a lot like Carmelo.....just a pure scorer that cared only about 1 on 1 scoring with no defense.

[@dusk6159]

Not at all. Good double debunking

[@dezmitri96]

great series keep them coming

[@barrygrogan8949]

Love your videos they are well put together, I had to share this. I always wondered what happened to them when I was in high school. Great job keep showing the Mavs love!!!

[@tylerwolschleger507]

Bro, I really love these bball beefs, please do a lot more

[@nbapbaupdate8338]

Still watching 💪💪💪 March 4, 2022 Jason Kidd 🔥🔥🔥

[@FishCatsHistory]

Hope you guys start doing beefs in baseball, hockey, and football next. Keep up the great work!

[@TruthBTold-]

Jim Jackson , OVERRATED... No jumper, could only handle the ball, and was NOT A LEADER...MASH WAS A STUD...We all know Kidd played nothing like a Kid

[@user-xs1nh3hy5n]

Jason Kidd also beat his pregnant wife

[@Hold_on_now_playa]

Truth B. Told you don’t know what you talking about huh?

[@svenshrempf]

Jim Jackson was a shooter, TF?

[@PaperweightBoxing]

Yo, George McCloud blew it up from the arc one of those years lol

[@venod3134]

Truth B. Told from this vid he seems like the most irrational of the bunch.

[@bigbraz]

This is a phenomenal video on an even better topic. This is extremely well done. Keep it up. Good luck with your continues growth

[@user-xs1nh3hy5n]

I actually kinda like this, but I want Jon Bois back

[@MusicalGixxer]

Marcus I miss Chart Party and Pretty Good!!

[@shakey215]

I love all of SB Nation's content. But mostly Jon Bois, he's supposedly coming out with a video this week...

[@ericespinosa5609]

It's really a shame, as a native to Dallas/ Fort Worth, & being born in the early 80s. I can remember my Dad being excited about the Mavericks after they drafted Kidd. It's really a shame it didn't work out. If the Mavericks had the right coach in place. They really could have been something special. I was either 9 or 10 at the time. But there just certain things that just stick with you. Those memories of those Mavs teams will always stick with me. Great video btw. Thanks for taking me down memory lane.

[@maybachrob9475]

Being a mavs fans was tough at times but I will always have 2011 to think back on

[@mirgenkroi33]

Literally love these videos

[@WHR17]

As a MFFL (Mavs Fan For Life) this was a very dark time. The Mavs of the 90's had the worst record of any professional sports team over any ten year period ever!!! Don Nelson, Mark Cuban and Dirk saved us!!!

[@angelorona7708]

WHR17 Don’t forget Steve Nash and Michael Finley.

[@LukeClifo]

Subbed now. This had me hooked from the start, great insight and editing!

[@shadowguy20004]

Finally someone doing real journalism on the NBA about the best era of the League! Always wanted to know about this, because the failure of Triple J ranch lead to the Mark Cuban/ Nowitzki era Funny this trio was one of my teams in NBA JAM, they had lots of potential Gave y’all a sub, gonna watch the rest of series, looking forward to the next one

[@neal6473]

Excellent story I remember the 3 J's not getting along in the mid 1990's but I always thought if they got along good they could be a good team and unfortunately it didn't plan out that way but still one of the best young NBA teams ever that just my opinion.

[@eeikichii]

Make more vids of beef history, great series.

[@francesgerardgenil1592]

Loving these docs. Im hooked up

[@FostRaider]

I had a 3 J's poster in my room. LOL. Awesome video.

[@mikeslemonade]

I had the please of living in a suberb or Dallas and saw almost every one of these “bad” Mavericks games. They were still kinda fun to watch with good 3 point shooting.

[@Nemoz974]

Thanks for laying this out.. i was pissed when we traded Jim Jackson. U forgot to mentiom we got Shawn Bradley n return. But thats for a diff story.

[@1mfilms]

The excitement for the Kidd-Jackson-Mashburn trio back then reminds me of the excitement for the Lakers' Ball-Ingram-Kuzma trio now. Hopefully, they don't start beefing down the line.

[@willfrazier8485]

you forgot to add lebron

[@tonijelecevic7748]

No,gotta listen to LeBron

[@obi-wankenobi9708]

RIP

[@kobecarter46ify]

These videos are amazing, please make many more!!

[@zacharymendes1400]

i would love a series like this just for non-beef related 90s NBA summaries

[@tristanbuder2277]

SB Nation You are the Goat.... Love your videos!

[@sunburner_ray]

This was pretty good Why do I do this

[@cactus1845]

R.J. Chappell lmao only real fans get this

[@brycelandon6387]

You ought to do a Beef History about the beef between Kansas basketball coach Roy Williams and Kansas athletic director Al Bohl from 2001-2003, which led to Bohl's firing and Williams leaving for North Carolina.

[@davon4470]

I'm not going to lie I came back to rewatch this video after hearing jimmy Jackson talk about when he was playing and all of the different General managers dallas had and then brought up Jamal and Jason during the mavs and golden state game during the end of the third quarter.

[@safimad1]

More of these please !!

[@lorenzofranco8406]

Waiting on that Shaq/Kobe video. We know what went on then and over the years but need it in a distinct format, which you are about.

[@zachmorgan6982]

the little clips with the captions are killing me. "were gonna lose" "Were gonna lose again" "Its the 80s and I love to clap" "Its the 90's, It's all about pointing" lmfao like what the hell??? so funny

[@zachmorgan6982]

"Triangle please"

[@shawndurham297]

These videos are legit amazing

[@waupfoo]

Great story teller! Short, concise, and very good info. Subscribed.........have you thought about doing a channel on past music bands or solo musicians ?

[@JasonSputnik]

4:29 I forgot a human cartoon named Popeye Jones existed in reality haha

[@thecaleb7199]

I LOVE THIS SERIES KEEP IT UP

[@cantbeatthebay4765]

Throw a bunch of hot shots together and expect it to work... well my friend, the Warriors certainly made it work! Teamwork makes Dreamwork.

[@robs4491]

Great storytelling. Good job!

[@NewGoldie]

Alright SB, these are great and the people need one every other day. GET ON IT!

[@NeoNitty]

I had more Jim Jackson b ball cards than any other player. Still have them !

[@cashoutmurkn]

Keep the beef vids coming

[@JKMcClaren1979]

How friggin’ hard is it to just trade Jimmy Jackson?! He was by far the worst of the three, at his best he was slightly above average. At the very least, don’t trade Jason Kidd. That drove me crazy growing up as a Mavs fan. Anyone with half a brain knew Kidd was special.

[@dwightlove3704]

Jackson was a 2X MR BASKETBALL IN THE STATE OF OHIO.Only LeBron can say that as well.

[@JKMcClaren1979]

@@dwightlove3704 I’m not saying he wasn’t a good player, but I’m a Mavs fan. I watched every game when I was a kid. Jimmy Jackson was by far the lesser player out of Mashburn and most definitely Jason Kidd.

[@dwightlove3704]

@@JKMcClaren1979 Okay what were his weaknesses

[@JKMcClaren1979]

@@dwightlove3704 Mashburn was a more versatile scorer and Jason Kidd was Jason Kidd. I would never have traded him (and I think that opinion is backed up by his career). Jimmy Jackson was a good player, above average. Weakness? Passing, I guess. I was in elementary school. You know who else thought he should be traded, though? 4 nba teams, not to mention the other 4 that waved him outright.

[@dwightlove3704]

@@JKMcClaren1979 The reason that Kidd left was because of Quinn Buckner and his EASTERN CONFERENCE STYLE OF PLAYING.He bought that HALF COURT NON SENSE and it was not working they wanted to play UP TEMPO STREET BALL.

[@jordobrah]

I love these vids pls don’t stop

[@wadephipps5239]

I'm almost 30 years old and I still wish this trio would have stayed together so I could have watched them more as a kid😔... still grew up with Michael Finley, Steve Nash, and Dirk, so not too bad🤷‍♂️

[@lucasjames3831]

Incredible work guys keep it up!!

[@kitrik23]

this is an excellent channel ... well done !!!!

[@marcusmaxwell9487]

Keep them coming

[@moorehaastile6566]

Sb nation has all the best sports series on yt

[@danhu8143]

Love your channel man

[@flash333MC]

That quote about the fourth jay is actually so fire.

[@MichaelForceYT]

Love this series I subbed cause of these

[@jimmyguapo5245]

I remember I was in middle school when me and my friends talked about how J-Kidd and JJ was with Toni

[@bigwilly43729]

This explains why Nelson (mostly) preferred European players over (mostly) black American players.

[@PaperweightBoxing]

Can we talk about how that Phoenix team Kidd was traded to also had Kevin Johnson, Sam Cassell, and Steve Nash?

[@abrahamjackson6019]

Lol ! Toni Braxton was labeled the woman who broke up the Dallas Mavericks ....

[@larreciashealey2407]

Love these videos😍

[@DespicableBunny]

At that time, Jason Kidd prolly never would have thought he'd make a return to Dallas and win a ring there

[@OwlGear]

These videos are great!

[@itsREALTALKTV]

Incredible fun fact videos my guy!!

[@maxpalermo4827]

LOVE THIS SERIES!!!!!!!!

[@KotaManifest]

Jim Jackson is a straight up honest dude and didnt play into NBA politics and the owners were afraid of him...bad coaching and no bench was the Mavs issue on the court

[@Peppyroni247]

These are really well done

[@DONTCRASHJET]

You know what they say, Texans love their beef.

[@Jon.A.Scholt]

Anyone else think those old Mavs jerseys are on point? Wish they would bring those back and I'm not even a Mavs fan

[@PinoyQuality]

I only knew Jason kidd but dam these videos are so good and interesting

[@poonking3628]

Why didn't they just trade Jackson and just keep Kidd?

[@FilipoSooaUlufale]

What for? Kidd was being the most immature of the lot, and Mashburn kept on getting injured all the time. That's why Jim Jackson was far more valuable for the Dallas Mavericks than you thought.

[@jknumber5138]

I wish 2 things worked out. First Bootz and Buckeey make it to the end of Flava Of Love season 2. Two would be Jason Jimmy & Jamal having just one good playoff run

[@tinayemari4954]

Do Odell Beckham junior vs Josh Norman