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Seedi - a retro CD emulator system - is now on Indiegogo.
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[@johnpenguinthe3rd13]

I will buy this thing on Day one. I still buy and play Sega CD and PSone games, so it will be nice to have a back-up system for my games. As for Turbo CD games, I own three which I picked up in lots when buying Turbografx-16 games. The Turbo CD games I own are Cosmic Fantasy 2 (Working Designs RPG), It came from the desert, and Madden. I don't own a Turbo CD, so I would like to play these. I very much want to get into Neo Geo CD as well.

[@8ByteBrian]

It looks cool, but I don't like the idea of having to download the bios for some systems, roms are one thing but downloading bios files is really having the user put their neck out there. Without the NEO GEO & Turbo CD Bios, it's basically a glorified PS1. It looks cool but I just think it's poor development & execution which at best gives consumers a "seedy" product where they have to download illegal files to use half of the console...that's shady.

[@johnpenguinthe3rd13]

Oh.... I did more research (and saw the last minute of this video) and now I'm having second thoughts about this thing. PlayStation: BIOS file not required but recommended, TurboGrafx CD: BIOS file required, Sega CD: BIOS file required, Neo Geo CD: BIOS file required. This is NOT good.... I don't like this. I don't like the idea of having to hunt down the Bios files and do a bunch of other junk. If it's not pre-installed, then I might not bother with this.

[@pilgrum0]

I dont see the point in buying this solutions to this problem have been available for ever. You can do this with your laptop legally.

[@Gggrrrrrrrr23]

Pat the NES Punk What I'd really like to see is a HD floppy disc player that plays Amiga and Atari ST discs

[@robiu013]

you know what would be really awesome? if it turned out these guys aren't in the same room, they just happen to have the same tablesheet and game collection shelf

[@User-ge7ni]

robiu013 are they in the same room

[@SomeOrangeCat]

For the longest time, I didn't realize they were in the same room.

[@EdgarTarly]

Oh boy! An orange pi with an optical drive! WOW!

[@WillyTung]

Just wanted to say I will be excited to meet Ian again this year at the Portland Retro Game Expo! Wooo!

[@101stsurvivor]

Looks like it uses standard laptop cd drives too, so when the things inevitably die it might not be too hard to replace that part.

[@youssef11223344]

Looking forward to this!

[@MrSujano]

I did a deeper dive on the Seedi on my channel - the Retrode is already out on the market today.

[@ThePreciseClimber]

All you need for PS1 emulation is a PS3.

[@alexdelareta]

That's correct all PS3 versions play PSOne CD's!

[@MrAdam802]

is that true? I have a day 1 60Gb PS3(that plays ps2 games). Can it play OG PS1 games? (all of them?) Cause theres a few ps1 games id like to play on my old ps3...

[@Mickspad]

MrAdam802 yeah, 100% true, hell I have a copy of Bubsy 3D that worked perfectly on it. The only problem is there are possible issues with Ape Escape

[@ethandoesit4209]

ThePreciseClimber for real

[@ronindebeatrice]

Usually you guys are terrific at spotting bullshit. I was thinking it was April 1st after this endorsement.

[@PSspecialist]

Care to elaborate? Not being sarcastic, I love retro gaming but I don't follow the behind the scenes stuff of these consoles.

[@GeoNeilUK]

I think the difference here is that this is designed first and foremost to play physical media rather than ROMs. I have a feeling that they look more kindly on the likes of the Retron and the RetroFreak than they do on the the likes of the Dreamcade or the Atari Box.

[@GeoNeilUK]

But this is an actual console that plays retrogames, complete with a DVD drive and it's also compatible with the Retrode. How is this just a PC in a box? What's the RetroFreak?

[@GeoNeilUK]

"How exactly is this a console? Does it run exclusive games on exclusive hardware? I dont think so" So, what you're saying is, the PlayStation 4 and XBOX One are not consoles. Neither of them run exclusive games, neither of them have exclusive hardware. In fact, they're based around the exact same hardware. (AMD Jaguar) Also, the Nintendo Switch is not a console. It doesn't run exclusive games and it doesn't have exclusive hardware. It uses the same hardware that you'll find in an iPad, an iPhone, an Android phone or an Android tablet. In fact, it uses the same hardware as the Raspberry Pi. (ARM) And you can go even further back - the Sega Mega Drive and Neo Geo weren't consoles, they too ran non-exclusive games and didn't run exclusive hardware - the Commodore Amiga and Atari ST had the same hardware. (68000) The Sega Master System, NES, ColecoVision weren't consoles, they had the same hardware as the ZX Spectrum and the MSX range. (Z80) Not even the Atari 2600 qualifies, its games weren't exclusive and it had the same hardware as the Commodore 64, Atari 8 bit, BBC Micro, Acorn Electron. (6502) They were all just shitty clones of each other... either that or just shitty PCs in a box, right?

[@3DGECASE]

I hate to nitpick, but the NES's 2A03 CPU is based off of the 6502, not the Z80 :P

[@TBustah]

I like this, but I'm more interested in the Polymega. I'm not really a fan of clones, especially not ones that work through emulation, but it's getting to the point where buying and maintaining some of these older CD-based systems just isn't practical anymore. The Saturn and Dreamcast in particular have common problems that can't be solved with off the shelf parts.

[@Noobsaibot21]

As others have alluded to, this looks kinda meh really. If you ask me, the way to indulge in retro gaming is: 1. Actual consoles and controllers with RGB Scart (best on a good CRT but failing that, with a good upscaler if going to HDTV). Ideally with original carts and discs but if they are failing or impossible to find, everdrives/GDEmus & a couple of SD cards will be perfectly fine). Disc emulation devices like GDEmu and Rhea are just fantastic and give the console a MUCH longer life than a noisy, mechanical cd drive that will some day fail. 2. A good PC. Heck, doesn't have to be a monster gaming rig - a small form factor PC (say, a Dell Optiplex 390) with a wireless KB & Mouse hooked up to the HDTV will handle any emulator you can think of. Cost little, play emulators (and pretty much any media) better than Raspberry Pi and do loads of other stuff too. I have one and it looks rather nice in my TV unit (though I only use it for TV and Steam in home streaming from my gaming rig). Plus - it's windows. Much easier to use than linux for your average consumer. 3. Raspberry Pi and pi variants. Can be fiddly to set up and overall fairly limited. Yes, you can get most of the benefits of option 2 with a lot of tinkering but why bother? Plus, there are some Micro computers available cheap enough running a lite version of Windows too. 4. Dedicated retro boxes like the NES/SNES classic. Just why bother? Yeah, it's officially licenced and yeah, it is aesthetically pleasing but really, you are just paying more than you would for a Pi and two SNES/Megadrive controllers and getting much less in terms of options.

[@retrojunk5960]

It's good to see the CD systems getting support with this and the Polymega (formerly RetroBlox). Personally waiting for the Polymega so I can get into HuCard Turbografx and PC Engine games but this is cool too

[@riggel8804]

RetroJunk i haven't heard anything from polymega fir months. Is there any new news?

[@retrojunk5960]

Last new thing I saw was when they announced Neo Geo CD support for the cd unit. Since then I haven't heard anything.

[@riggel8804]

RetroJunk yeah thats the last thing i heard too. I have hopped on the retropie band wagon but im hoping something better comes along.

[@justinj_00]

The RetroFreak console can play TurboGrafx and PcEngine games

[@TurquoizeGoldscraper]

The Dreamcast used a proprietary disc format, not CD.

[@pinfarmer]

Turquioze Goldscraper I used to burn cds for the dream cast back in the day

[@RemixedVoice]

Turquioze Goldscraper It used GD-ROMS. Nobody can make GD-ROMS nowadays, not even SEGA... But Because SEGA also included the ability for it to play MIL-CD's (japanese kareoke discs), that's why people were able to exploit that and make boot discs. All for just 4 crappy kareoke games only released in Japan, is the reason why we still have new indie Dreamcast games being released today, pretty incredible...

[@gillianseed4419]

if the point of this "console" is to only read original discs then dreamcast support will never happen

[@PaulBadman]

You can get an VGA out from deamcast a long with Usb hard drive mods now

[@PaulBadman]

It was a kariokie disc if I remember correctly

[@PaulBadman]

This is just a pocket computer like a raspberry pie with emulation station installed with a Disk drive attached

[@TheTurnipKing]

It's possible to develop fully legal workalike bioses, and this has been done for many systems, but for proper compatabiltiy most emulators simply request you supply an original BIOS. One vintage anti-piracy trick is relying on the system having an unmodified BIOS. This is occasionally the source of certain games refusing to run on newer iterations of the hardware.

[@DerpyLaron]

Now this for PS2, GC and Xbox one day would be amazing.

[@thescaredshadow]

I really hope they make region locked games playable on this thing.

[@OM19_MO79]

I bet it will read backups, its a freaking emulator box with ripped emulators after all. I bet that's the real main reason for which people, maybe even Pat, want it.

[@ther0n1nnamed47]

Ok now this is a good idea

[@michaelhall736]

Let's hope this doesn't end up being a scam like the Coleco Chameleon.

[@OM19_MO79]

No, it will be a scam like the Sigma. They have a "prototype", made with of-the-shelf cheap components they are just repackaging.

[@Mniggs]

Or the cheetah man sequel

[@inninetytwodays]

I mean the picture looks like a USB disc drive you can get real easily.

[@pdiggitydogg]

So... raspberry pi and an external DVD drive would do this for about $60? Less if you have a spare drive around.

[@Canadiansamurai]

Make one that plays Dreamcast games and I'm sold!

[@TheCreepypro]

this is very interesting the only cd system I owned and played was the Playstaion and it still works well to this day but if I wanted to play the other systems I never got to try this is viable and if anything ever happens to my Playstation it is nice to know I could get something like this as well or maybe something even better in the future

[@Denlak777]

Everytime Pat says Ataribox i hear atarivox

[@pacman10182]

so a raspberry pi and a usb dvd drive is not an option?

[@juandelacosta8830]

do you still have this? can we get a image of the os?

[@Mickspad]

Well, I checked it out, and it failed to meet its goal, does that mean it won't be made or what? I don't fully understand Indigogo over other crowdfunding sites

[@pv8685]

the retrode or maby is it called retrode2 supports super nintento and with a adapter even gbc, n64 and there is a masterssystem adapter too!

[@N02F3AR02]

My question is, do games load any faster? Until my recent purchase of a Switch, I haven't owned a console since the N64, because as a PC and console gamer, the early CD systems all had TERRIBLE load times, because they whey where putting 1x and 2x CD drives in them when 4x where already standard and 8 and 16x where fairly easy to get. I had friends who had them though so I still got a chance to play a few of those games back in the day, but I'd love to go back and play a bunch of stuff I missed (and do videos for them, giving reviews as a person not seeing through the eyes of nostalgia). If they don't load at the speed of snails.

[@xanderskullion]

@5:40 Pat lost me lol how many twitch streamers are streaming with an original psone disc? I don't know the ones with a ps3 (PS3 is backwards capable with psone) btw um has hdmi....

[@MagnaRyuuDesigns]

This system is going to go the way that all the other systems on indiegogo and kickstarter go. maybe succeed a little but then fade away or just fade away completely

[@seanscanish588]

Heavy metal Jesus opened a seedi up and it's just a raspberry pie. I think it was the 9 dollar one.

[@SaviorGabriel]

I'll wait for the Polymega.

[@HarveyLocust]

With a name like Seedi you'd think it would do the Phillips CD-i.

[@Lavietto]

Wow add Dreamcast to that and im all in!

[@oldirtygamer]

This is just an orange pi in a box

[@HesarealNoWhereMan]

Will this support backup discs?

[@justinj_00]

Seedi... See D I... Phillips CDI 2 confirmed

[@LodanZark]

The Saturn emulation future looks bright after experience Mednafen Saturn core

[@bmhedgehog2]

any possibility to playing imports? Scratch that I looked at the FAQs on the indiegogo page.

[@bmhedgehog2]

I take it you didn't read the whole comment. "I looked at the FAQs on the indiegogo page." That FAQ gave me the answer I was looking for. So please next time read the entire comment before replying. thanks

[@pilgrum0]

no ones going to want to break out their seedi 20 years from now either. This problem was resolved 17 years ago and is legal.

[@SupraViperhead]

According to their IndieGogo page, they're going to be sending the demo units to SegaLordX and MetalJesusRocks, so I'll wait and see their reviews before deciding whether or not I want to back this.

[@foolio1990]

"Go to the dark web and find the BIOS files"... Oh Pat...

[@Lockon5500]

it's on Indiegogo so is a given that there is no working prototype, witch immediately set off my bullshit detector

[@ronindebeatrice]

Cecil Chandler Well... SegaLordX seems to have a working prototype at least, I'm sure there are others.

[@OM19_MO79]

A prototype of what? The 3D printed case? it's a Banana Pie and a SATA DVD Drive!

[@Tom2404]

OM19 MO79 Yes, it looks like the same drive I pulled out of a 10 year old broken laptop a few months ago. And it's not a Banana Pie, it's an Orange Pie but there shouldn't be any real difference between those two single board computers.

[@steviepat01]

i'd love to get the polymega (retroblox) way over this

[@MotoMechzorz]

I would be thrilled to have one of these that supported everything up to gcn, ps2, xbox. I've gone through 4 dreamcasts, a few ps2s and ps1s, and a sega cd over the years. Replacing lasers or gambling on another used system sucks and one system that would run any cd would save a ton of hassle and space.

[@StiffAftermath]

I wonder what the dev is doing for Bios'. They cannot be distributed legally.

[@Flac_the_Wave]

You wanna know what's really been left in the dust? Windows 95/98/ME games

[@Agamemnon2]

I wonder if this could play Neo-Geo CD games off the disc faster than the real console? The drive itself has to be a lot faster, but I don't know if the emulator could take advantage of that.

[@jackdiamond5340]

god damn theese fucking kickstarters, i see a need for this but im sure itll get fucked up somehow

[@pyrowarrior99]

I wonder in the future how GameCube CDs are implemented

[@MVLGAMING]

Seems very cool. I would like it to do the more obscure CD systems like CD-I and 3DO. (Both mine are working, but for how long?) Still, it'd be good for recording and streaming, how have Mega CD and PS1 in HD. (Also, would like Saturn...)

[@zackerychapman7193]

Other than DOS i think you can do all this on a modded wii.

[@BrokenOpus]

Regarding PS1, Playstation systems like PS3, still work to play original PS1 discs.

[@THECH0SEN0NE82]

play backups??

[@TVindustries5000]

Neo geo cd emu makes me want it.

[@Tom2404]

TVindustries5000 Just get a normal orange pie.

[@Tom2404]

At least I think it was a orange pie.

[@PrinzessinRamode]

I know the whole cartridge system thing is kind of beaten out a little bit, but I would absolutely love an NES or a Super Nintendo capable of being able to be played on the internet. I would like it so much to be able to play on original Hardware with friends and family on the other side of the globe.

[@PrinzessinRamode]

I want to play battle toads or Donkey Kong Country or something online without an emulator with my brother. That would be so amazing!

[@rambobeaver007]

SEEEEEDIIIIIII

[@ChrisKewl]

If it's powered by a $20 Orange Pi then it's not worth it, that thing is so underpowered. Now if you could 1 to 1 swap it for a Raspberry Pi or a more powered single board PC then it's worth it.

[@HowardAnthC]

I've got to disagree Pat. You are trading the actual hardware for a questionable emulation box and you are STILL using a disc drive, which will inevitably fail. The real solution is sd card based replacements for disc drives on the real consoles. Some are a bit expensive, but they are available for nearly every disc-based retro console at this point. Yes, it requires the extra step of reading the disc in your pc and ripping it to a sd card, but a least it's a lasting solution.

[@MusicDiscoveryNet]

Do you guys think it's going to be powerful enough for PS2 ?? PS. It's the ltd. ed. Xbox green, no?

[@flosmi]

an orange pi in an external cd drive ...

[@pinfarmer]

Seems a bit seedy ;)Still we need an affordable turbo cd duo replacement. I'll wait and see if it sucks before giving money

[@Spinny300]

Are we gonna have another colelco/retro vgs thing on our hands? Edit: this was before the video so never mind 😂

[@DrewberTravels]

Just remember that CDs do not last forever. They were often made rather cheaply and the film inside starts to eat away at itself. I have already lost a couple to this issue.

[@gamingswenerd]

its running on kodi with bios

[@aviatordanz]

Where you thinking of bleem

[@AxiomofDiscord]

Those Discs are going break down original hardware or games is a losing battle in time. But some system die more than others. I am interested in this for my parents though I think they could handle it more than something like a Pi that would be much more fiddly once you sest it up.

[@Fender178]

Also what you guys do not realize is that having the emulator read the disc vs actual hardware is very different. If the emulation is not perfect or the system you are using for this thing to work specs are not up to par then it reading your original disc would slow down the emulation and the game play so much to the point the game is unplayable. This is why ripping images of your own discs is highly recommended and or stick to original hardware when it comes to disc based systems if you are using your original disc.

[@brianwalker7771]

What I l really like about this machine is they tell you exactly what it is and is NOT VS shoveling BS sales pitches to you. Then actually shipping cheap crap .

[@1980sGamer]

Pronounced as "seedy"or "See Dee I?" ;)

[@ronindebeatrice]

1980sGamer C.D...

[@1980sGamer]

This whole thing really does kind of look "seedy." Seriously though. It looks like they took an external USB optical drive and hacked in some system on a chip type deal.

[@OM19_MO79]

More like See Die.

[@bdog840]

Pat mentioning about consoles breaking down. CD's deteriorate over time too, unfortunately.

[@VOAN]

In this day and age you don't really need disc for most of the games, all you need are the ISO of the game and find a image converter that could convert the files to be read on an emulator. Even some Chinese knockoffs had PlayStation emulators that emulator games very well.

[@splugereport]

"Seedi" like "seedy"? Like, we didn't ask sega or sony for their bios and we just made $50K of our indiegogo? Super super stoked!

[@splugereport]

raspi orange is $15, usb cd is $10. It's like a 10 second google search for kodi download.... Two random dudes are unlikely to write their own emulators,etc. Totally confused here.

[@OrfinMusik]

Sega lord x reviewed the prototype

[@ethandoesit4209]

But it's an orange pi and a DVD drive though

[@consty715]

3do and amiga cd32 would be good

[@murrij]

It's open source. That's the key to me.

[@JasonVectrex_187]

Not bad, but for the 50th time I'll stay original, and the next 50 versions of these consoles that cash in on the retro craze I will not be buying either.

[@retrodavide]

Remember that you need more power to run dreamcast and ps2 emulator

[@theretrobro]

I like you guys I even came up to pat and thanked him at az game on this year for sharing my one video on the podcast. However I don't understand why you would endorse this. Firstly it's clearly using an orange pi board. Secondly they are using open source emulators which have the buyer download he bios files. With how you guys are so anti emulation you're integrity is clearly brought into question here.

[@aljr357]

I hope it does GameCube eventually because that's one of my favourite disc based systems.

[@spawncalibur1022]

GameCube and PS2 emulation has gone a long ways but you need at least a somewhat powerful PC to run them really well. This box probably has very low specs that's only good enough to run 90's CD games.

[@stevenclark5173]

Dolphin already does a pretty good job of emulating Gamecube and I heard PCSX2 is good for PS2.

[@spawncalibur1022]

Yes thats the software but I'm talking about the hardware. You need some decent PC power to run them and I can guarantee you this box will not be powerful enough.

[@Deathknight50000]

Man, is it really that hard to offer a version that has composite on it? These are retro games and some of us want to play them on a CRT.

[@OM19_MO79]

(Insert fruit)pies don't output composite, not even RGB.

[@Deathknight50000]

Yeah and I'm saying they should

[@louskunt125]

I guess it's cool if you don't want your computer hooked up to your TV. It's not priced completely ridiculous for what it is. A small low spec PC that can emulate games that happens to have a disc drive.

[@NLuKa420]

These things are all very useless. I have a PC that can run any system via emulator. Why do I need an emulator box?

[@revolutionoftheclassics3630]

It will be nice to play Neo Geo CD without having to buy the original system And Turbo CD I wish they put out a Saturn emulator one day

[@Woot007]

I agree there is a "need" for a CD based box but imho this isnt it The time isnt there for Emulation on alot of the old devices like CD-I, Dreamcast, Sega saturn, Atari Jaguar and others there require a power house to be able to run in FullHD or 4k on a TV like the PS2 and mby even the gamecube.

[@BigSnipp]

If this thing had Sega Saturn support, I would buy it in a heartbeat. Right now, probably not.

[@SAM-ru4vx]

there is a youtuber that did a demostration of the system.

[@Lastseengaming]

OLE SammyOLE scamster81?

[@SAM-ru4vx]

Sega Lord X.

[@michaelhall736]

Thanks I wish this device would also play PS2 games.

[@ronindebeatrice]

michael hall A 1.2 Ghz Arm just doesn't have the horsepower to do most PS2 titles.

[@jritchi9445]

PS2 was also DVD format

[@EdgarTarly]

PS2 was the most manufactured and sold console of ALL TIME, plus the fat ps3 was backwards comp with ps2. You cannot be serious. It isn't difficult, hard, or will be hard at any time in the next 20 years, to play playstation 2 games or have working consoles.

[@sintjagos]

Good idea but rather get it once we know it works, and adds additional support. Gotten burned on Kickstarter before (Coolest) and paid much more for other products that were cheaper in retail soon after (Pebble Steel). Other products I got like Trckr that didn't work as well as expected. I avoid kickstarter or Indiegogo a lot more now

[@StusGameReviews]

You can't read Dreamcast discs on a CD or a DVD drive for that matter...

[@callumscornerfan4202]

If it played dreamcast and sega Saturn I would buy it especially if ps2 and Xbox works On the system

[@hobojo153alt4]

I imagine the reason it took so long is mainly due to the fact PS1 games can be played on PS3.

[@ColpoRosso]

It's legal only if you own the games and the systems you are going to emulate. Also, they must be from the same region. I don't really understand how it's better than a software emulator, legally speaking. It's because you are using the actual physical media? If you own the physical media, you can download the rom or the image of the stuff you own.

[@mrpopsicleman]

The reason it doesn't include Dreamcast is because it's a CD-ROM drive, not a GD-ROM drive.

[@johnsquarez6806]

They keep saying this is some *revolutionary new way to play PS1 games in HD* but can't the PS3 do that for the same price and also play PS3 games and sometimes PS2 games

[@strocat25]

I only wish for one more thing with this "Seedi" I wish more than anything that it could also play PS2. If it could also play PS2 I would buy two of them.

[@devilmikey00]

Ps2 already has a kick ass emulator. It's only really second to dolphin as the most mature emulators around. It's so good most games just look and play better then they did on the original hardware.

[@ChrisStoneinator]

This is just patently untrue, FMVs and sound are still complete ass. Many games don't play right. If it's second to dolphin then it's a LONG way behind.

[@mysterythingx5498]

@Pat the NES Punk Collecting and playing physical retro copies is complete lunacy. Most of these games (90%) are not worth replaying unless it's a master piece like Super Mario 3 or Ocarina of Time ,etc. Adopt a PC and play away for free. It's literally the Golden Age of gaming right now.

[@aviatordanz]

Everyone go home, its just an orange pi with a disc tray. Metal jesus rocks did a video of it

[@callme_Sweetpea]

Pat... WTF!? It was the CUPodcast that made me back an identical project like 18 months ago called IndieGo Console, and that sucked ass! It is horrible! And that one runs on an Odroid XU4, which is more powerful than a Raspberry Pi 3... and this one runs a Banana Pi, which is way slower than a RPi3. You guys are talking about this like you never heard of it before *facepalm*

[@wju2004]

I bought into that thing too...still haven't even hooked it up because it just really doesn't make a lot of sense. Probably a bit of wasted cash there, sadly.