Seek Unity Without Conformity with Other Christians

I don't want the new generation to destroy the institutional church and then leave nothing behind. I want them to transcend it. Seeking unity without conformity with other Christians. Check this out!

[@jimyoung9262]

"They will know you are my disciples by the way you call each other heretics for not doing things the same way as you."

[@soldiermedic81]

nice fallout pic.

[@DeaconBean]

❤❤❤

[@billyd8084]

The problem is… the disciples were of one mind and believed the same things No need to call each other heretic’s. Your analogy while clever and amusing is simply NOT valid.

[@gradydustin1]

@@billyd8084I think the comment was pointed at those who think they are right, yet they point fingers and call foul at those who believe differently. Maybe the others are right. Maybe you’re wrong. We’re waiting to become unified in the faith and only Jesus can do that.

[@yesenia3816]

Well said. As an introvert who has a lot of questions, it has been difficult to exist within the institutional church. It's been tempting to just leave the church, but I don't think running away would be conducive to become united. Instead, I just need to let my church know I'm here and there are others like me who love Jesus, too.

[@billyd8084]

Yea I can agree to an extent but… I cannot nor will not sit under teaching that I am confident and persuaded is false , especially when Yahs Spirit has guided me into His truth which is NOT in alignment with what the so/called “church” (a word not found in the Greek nor Hebrew language) may believe and teach. . Maybe there are those that can but I’m not one of those. Come out of them and be ye separate and have no “ fellowship” with unfruitful works of darkness ie false doctrines. Many (Matt. 7:21-23) may not know the truth and I would be obligated and obliged to challenge their understanding, or lack thereof, concerning what is the truth. Take for example If I were to do as Yahusha (Jesus) did and go into the synagogue and challenge the pastor on his teachings in a public forum ? What kind of unity would this result in? Some, yea many , say THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH cannot be known and it is such that will fall for anything and it is those that I grieve for but cannot passively watch going down the broad path. I’m NOT one of those who can hear falsity without challenging it and this is why I would never be received by my “brothers and sisters “ in their congregations . I receive my truth via prayer, fasting and diligent study of the origin and meaning of words as printed in the highly tainted English language. (1JN. 2:27) is my only hope of obtaining THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH. Yah bless you as you serve Him. “Running away” is what you are commanded to do. What’s to fear? Socialism? If you ARE not nor CAN not incite change then what’s your purpose for supporting false doctrine? And who is your true brother and sister anyway? If two walk together yet are not in agreement what’s to be expected?

[@eraldojl]

Brother in Jesus , start a Bible study group and meet more like minded People

[@billyd8084]

@@eraldojlhave a home ekklesia ie assembly of “called out ones” of 15 years now and never been more blessed and happier. Hope that satisfies your inquest. Was a Baptist minister of 40+ years until I discovered THE truth.

[@sandragambrel9721]

Read Luke 12:51, Jesus didn't come to bring peace, but, division. Separate yourself from falsehood, especially those that preach, and teach it.

[@eraldojl]

@@billyd8084God bless you my Brother in Christ Jesus.

[@eraldojl]

Blessed be our Lord Jesus Christ. I miss you Brother.

[@78LedHead]

Pure wisdom from Mike here. We need his voice now more than ever, especially in the age of UFO stuff coming to light.

[@ifiok-dan7926]

The Scriptures are clear regarding the fundamentals of being a disciple of Jesus Christ. These fundamentals should unite us and this is what I look for in anyone who follows Yeshua. For each person, we should understand that the responsibility is on us individually to mature day by day as we allow God our Father in heaven to conform us into the image of His Son.

[@TheRoyalPursuitPodcast]

We miss you Heiser!!!

[@Theophilus33AD]

Miss you, Mike. Thanks for keeping the Heiser Legacy alive.

[@eraldojl]

Blessed be our Lord Jesus Christ. Heis almost here. Be prepared.

[@JoesWebPresence]

Transcending the established church is nice in theory, but in practice they ARE the church in the mind of the public, and what they do reflects badly on every Christian. I live in a remote village in Scotland. The church of Scotland died long ago, and is entirely woke now, preaching sermons downloaded each week from head office, on climate change and gender fluidity, while barely ever mentioning God, let alone sharing the gospel. They won't go in themselves, but stand in the door, barring others who wish to enter from doing so. There's not a Christ centred fellowship for forty miles. When you talk to people locally, their idea of Christianity is what's on offer in the parish church, and they rightly want nothing to do with that sad scene. As individuals it's easy to see through and rise above shallow worldly churches, but to transcend those monoliths as a community is incredibly difficult.

[@br.m]

What are the Lutheran churches like there? I just googled and saw some but they are all "evangelical". Being in America the evangelical Lutheran church is woke but some Lutherans like LCMS are still ok. If you haven't yet it might be worth checking the Lutheran churches out. Even some evangelical Lutheran churches in America are still ok and not woke. This church in Scotland their website says they have traditional Lutheran services, they have a Bible study and discussion too. Lutherans are always your best option.

[@MagusKali]

Spot on. These changes have to start with people who share the same desire to seek the Lord, if you depend on an institution to give you what you want then they will always control what you get.

[@jephilologist]

You or your communities need not to "transcend the monoliths" as in, "defeat them". The heavens and earth will pass away, but God's Word endures forever. Your Bible-believing, God-loving individuals/communities just need to be patient and wait on the Lord, hold fast to the Word and to your Faith. Rememer 1 Peter 3:15-17. Those "monoliths" you speak of will in time pass away, crushed under the weight of God's judgment. You don't win the victory- Christ does. The "difficulty" you speak of is more of one's impatience towards God's "slowness". Serve with humility and gentleness; band together with those who share that desire to serve- you will see the lost come to Christ.

[@e_s2978]

Suggestion: gather a group of local men and women and start a church in someone's home. Go through the Word of God exclusively.

[@joanmavima5423]

Remember, the Bible says where two or three gather together in My Name , I am in the midst of them. Start a small prayer and Bible group. Use these resources online. I am sure Jesus wants to grow you.

[@labsquadmedia176]

This is so very important in our polarized and presumed-self-evident cultural moment.

[@Angel-cu5mf]

"your tradition is not self evident in scripture," ..bam.

[@Mercyme57]

Cue Roman Catholicism saying oh yes it is…we are not a denomination but the true church…hold on shout the Eastern Orthodox….you are in error WE are the true church all outside us are not truly saved….hold on shout the tens of thousands of Protestant denominations…you are both wrong it’s us we have the truth…then they all turn on each other…etc etc. 😵‍💫🥴 Given that God does not sow a spirit of confusion you have to ask what’s going on here and where is and who are the faithful remnant He never leaves Himself without….Lord have mercy. 🙏

[@96tolife]

Unity is the byproduct of agreement. Without any agreement you cannot have fellowship. The early church wasn't unified. God is still building His church regardless of what we feel is going on with each other.

[@silent1967]

AMEN, Absolutely Agree. Stop all this bickering between Christians about doctrine so much. That has always been around. I can remember my grandmother tell me when I was a kid, the devil spends most of his time in the Church, he's already got everyone else. She wasn't perfect, no one is. She had her faults, everyone does. But she got along with pretty much everyone. She would be deeply troubled by what is happening today in all the churches.

[@risingstorm1]

Much 💖 God Bless everyone….🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@Moresunplease]

I sincerely hope that the “unity” that is being discussed here is not ecumenicism.

[@RevelatingDemarchist4172]

Not only to me but also to all who loved His appearing.

[@East_Coast_Ghost86]

So good!

[@paxnorth7304]

Excellent commentary especially re "Your brother has arrived at this place re decisions made, as have you". I see great things in an emergent open Christology that allows us to see both our difference and communion. Lest us cling to Christ lest issues of careerism the body as they have so oft

[@kerrypew710]

If only this could be possible. But in my experience, it simply isn’t. I quietly and respectfully stayed for two years after coming to a deeper understanding of Scripture and how it applies to my life in obedience to Yah, but my beliefs no longer aligned and it was impossible to sit under their teaching any longer. “I” became a problem simply by what I didn’t get involved in any longer in the church, and in not so many words, wasn’t encouraged to remain if my beliefs had so changed.

[@billyd8084]

Yah bless you for obeying and remaining true to THE truth as He has revealed and imparted it unto you. It is NOT possible to EVER expect unity out of mingling that which is Holy with that which is NOT. Your testimony is mine without exception or reserve. Bless you.

[@sandragambrel9721]

Same here. I believed the Gifts of the Holy Spirit were still active, and relevant for today. They didn't, and I had to leave. Memorizing scripture is not what it means to walk in the spirit.

[@kerrypew710]

Thank you, @billyd! Indeed! And @sandragambrel, I believe they absolutely are as well! May you be blessed on your journey and may the true Elohim guide us and refine us for His purposes. Much love to you 📖🩵

[@bigtobacco1098]

I'll take any examples of the gifts from church history

[@ryanstivers8797]

@@bigtobacco1098there’s plenty, go look it up. And that’s not our measuring stick anyways, the scriptures are.

[@stephenbailey9969]

Church = Greek, ekklesia = assembly, congregation Jesus' church is the people. Denominations are historical and cultural artifacts. They are useful tools that God uses to carry his gospel. But don't mistake the gift wrapping for the gift. Jesus is the gift.

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

Denominations are not historical because Paul preached against sectarianism in 1 Cor. 1.

[@stephenbailey9969]

@@theeternalsbeliever1779 Divisions are not of the Spirit, rather of the flesh. They are evidence that human sin still exists in this world, even among believers. But what matters is the people's faith, hope, and love, as expressed in doing Christ's work in this world, no matter the sign on the door. Christ's church is the people, not any particular denomination. In the age to come, the ideal righteousness of God will be fulfilled, and all these artifacts of this age will no longer be.

[@HaleStorm49]

​@@stephenbailey9969Christ's church had His authority to do His ordinances. Denominations are imitations.

[@stephenbailey9969]

@@HaleStorm49 That is a way to look at it. Perhaps we could see them as 'imperfect earthly reflections of the eternal congregation of God, which is pure and undefiled'.

[@PsychoBible]

This is hard-core my own view. Thank you!

[@colleen4628]

So good

[@j.m.4858]

Awesome 😎

[@Trivium1989]

It’s a difficult one, because, on the one hand, we all need the body to survive; however, local churches in the Western world have, without painting broadly, become an activity-based system on a Sunday. You’re either in a Word-only environment, devoid of power and biblical, experiential Christianity, or an enthusiastic environment, lacking in sound doctrine. Can be very difficult to cope in either setting, unless you actively discipline your mind to be renewed according to what the Bible says is church. May God help us, especially those who are struggling in the rut of weekly “Churchianity”.

[@PizzaDisguise]

Sounds like an impossible problem. I’ve been looking into Orthodoxy, and it’s blowing my mind. They do not appear to be the scripture twisters that I thought.

[@Trivium1989]

@@PizzaDisguise -sadly, it feels that way. Chesterton? Or the Greek Orthodox Church?

[@carmengale3311]

Amen

[@Exodus26.13Pi]

⭕ God told Moses on Mt. Sinai to use Pi 3.14 π as the cornerstone to build the Wilderness Tabernacle in 1440 BC. In 94 AD Josephus the historian wrongly described it as rectangular-shaped. Exodus 25-26-27 blueprints build a circular-shaped hendecagon outer courtyard. What is superior, the bible or confirmed secular/ecumenical history? 330 Exodus 26:8 eleven curtains each 30 cubits long 15 Exodus 26:12 one curtain is folded in half to 15 cubits long - 1 Exodus 26:13 curtain hang over/seams add to 1 cubit long = 314 3.14 = 314 circumference/100 diameter ≈ π ratio (100 cubit court per Exodus 27:9-18) ................. Is this discovery like the Dead Sea Scrolls or even Martin Luther's 95 Theses? How did we miss this for 1900 years and does it even matter anymore? Pi is 3 or 3.14... very small difference. .................. History of finding π: -(1900-1680 BC) Babylonian 3.125 for π -(1650 BC) Egyptians gave the approximate value of π 3.1605 -(1440 BC) Moses recorded Pi in the Exodus blueprints 3.141592653... Exodus 26:13 ≈ Pi -(500 BC) India's Aryabhata approximation was 62,832/20,000, or 3.141 -(429-501 BC) Zu Chongzhi a Chinese mathematician 3.1415926 - 3.1415927 -(250 BC) Archimedes from Syracuse showed between 3.1408 and 3.1429 ................. More than a thousand years removed Josephus did NOT know Exodus 26:13 approximated Pi. He was describing the Temple's structure and NOT, and NOT the Tabernacle from Exodus 25-26-27. See? Pi is coded in your DNA. Consider King Josiah & the Prophetess Huldah rediscovering the forgotten scriptures, right? Will Pharaoh let this go? Almost 3500 years ago "Exodus 26:13 ≈ Pi" was lost on Mt. Nebo when Moses died. How will religious and non-religious acknowledge this systemic seed-changing paradigm shift? We going back in time in real-time to change history to line up the Word as it should've been. Moses recorded Pi 1000 years before Archimedes from Syracuse's Pi. Everyone including myself rejects this text/arithmetic until studied personally. Please use consistent hermeneutics along with the scientific method for our non-religious friends. After confirmation please repent then rejoice. Please remember this is God's big tent. Exodus 26:13 ≈ Pi ⭕ כְּכֹ֗ל אֲשֶׁ֤ר אֲנִי֙

[@agustintadeo]

I believe this will bring more unity amount christianity, disagreement yes they will be there till Jesus come back, but hope to understand more of the a correct view of the scripture so we could judge with honesty and if there is place for more than my interpretation just be clear and recognize it. Do not damn others to hell just for not be conform with you.

[@kenberger5543]

Bible project shout out at1:10, it is a great tool

[@jarellgreer7733]

Where is this full video?

[@apolloswatered]

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[@ryrocks9487]

So Heiser thought that unity could be at the expense of truth?

[@michellemybelle9591]

😮... my phone is listening to itself... i JUST heard a teaching about unity NOT conformity! I've not heard that before and now twice in 1 day!

[@ronjones1414]

Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling

[@Angel-cu5mf]

"focus on the big picture and be charitable to the others who share their love for the big picture"

[@parker9163]

A misunderstanding people have about spiritual rebirth is thatit can happen by praying Jesus into one’s heart or solely having faith that he exists, however, this is not biblical. Spiritual rebirth happens at baptism (being born of water and Spirit). This is described by Jesus when Nicodemus asks him about how one may enter the kingdom of God. This is why Jesus commands his followers (who are defined as disciples) to go and make disciples of all nations and baptize them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. It is clear what baptism is as well, described multiple times as the literal full submersion of a believer into water. Peter says one must Repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of their sins and they will receive the Holy Spirit. Without the Holy Spirit, it is impossible to satisfy God because one is still a slave to the flesh, rather than to righteousness. Jesus himself got baptized because “it is proper to fulfill all righteousness”. When Jesus was on earth he could forgive people of their sins because he was given authority on earth to do so but now he exists in heaven and his disciples do the work through baptism.

[@unsightedmetal6857]

Onorato Diamante would disagree, and I think he's right. Ephesians 2:8-9 "8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast." The boasting is not to make ourselves look better in front of other humans. The boasting is to justify yourself on judgement day. If salvation were by works, such as baptism, then on judgement day you'd have the opportunity to boast and say "But God, I was baptized!" or "But God, I went to Church every Sunday!" or "But God, I turned from my sins!" But the Ephesians passage above goes against that. Matthew 7:22-23 is related: "22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’" The people in this Matthew passage are boasting to Jesus that they have done good works. They have not trusted in Jesus entirely, and so Jesus says "I never knew you." They were not saved because they trusted in their works instead of Jesus. So I recommend Onorato Diamante's channel. He has a video response for seemingly every verse/passage that is used for arguing a works-based salvation.

[@deelynn8611]

I agree with the thumbnail headline. We can co-exist with other denominations with respect and in Christian love. Differences of opinions and reasons for them can be explained if it ever comes up, but done respectfully.

[@ThembaMaselane]

Let me play devil's advocate hear, is doctor Heiser suggesting that we should approach the Bible not looking for absolutes, the fundamentals, Basic doctrinal truths that transcend all of our preferences, are we suppose the idea of objective truth?

[@deborahgrantham7387]

Truth is objective, however as with Paul in his letters regarding women that humans like to take out of context, many things in the Bible address situations and what is right in that situation. Traditions arise from human comfort levels, not true commandments. Baptism is one I see all the time. The Bible indicates that Baptism is an outward sign of a person deciding to be publicly identified with Christ, a follower and believer. Churches baptist infants, some require total submersion, some require baptism in only their church. None of these things are commanded in the Bible. How does an infant choose to follow Jesus? But people stubbornly require tradition over the actual Bible.

[@ThembaMaselane]

I agree with all you just pointed out but you didn't respond to my concern, is Dr Heiser suggesting that we approach the scripture not looking for objective absolutes. The other thing in his attempt to free us from denominational constraints in how we develop theologically which I'm totally for he seems to dumb down local church membership and loyalty.

[@jenna2431]

Unity IS conformity. I think what you meant to describe is HARMONY, such as a symphony orchestra where every instrument plays their part to create a masterful whole. Stop using words when you don't know what they actually mean.

[@buddyroeginocchio9105]

Don't think this kind of "transcending" will accomplish anything. It sounds inviting but is most probably as hollow inside as what is presently failing. The answer is not in competitive ecclesiology (or lack of ecclesiology) but in proven successful models of evangelism and missionary work that never strays from scripture and genuinely honors Jesus Christ.

[@andreaurelius45]

Orthodox Christianity is the answer

[@knockoutfever4]

The spliintered and woke “church” is causing many to discover the one, true, holy, apostolic Orthodox church.

[@darkknightsds]

Jesus: Sell all your possessions, and how you treat the least of society is how you treat me White American Evangelicals: Let's start a podcast and talk about how OHMYGAWWWD we're just so ignorant of history

[@chrstsm]

It ain't just the Whites, it's the majority of my college students, and some co-professors.

[@mastershake4641]

Lol ok progressive "christian". Dont you have some social justice to do or are you gonna just waste all your time on youtube misinterpreting the bible for us?

[@ElizabethDMadison]

Study of history makes it obvious that the protestant establishment is not "the church." there is one Church only, because Jesus has one Body only, and His Body is a visible unity constituted by the Eucharist, founded upon the Apostles, true to the doctrine handed on from them, and led to this day by their successors--and the members of the protestant/reformed/whatever movements left it. Unity is only in Christ's one Body, in the Eucharist and in His one Church. There IS a legitimate diversity that is possible and necessary in that unity, but in the end the Truth is a definite unity.

[@mastershake4641]

The one church is all believers in Christ. Which church do you think is the correct one, the one schisming over the war in ukraine, or the one schisming in germany over a heretic pope and his jesuit blashphemers?

[@mrcavalieri]

Except that Revelation refers to the seven churches (at the time of its writing), all judged individually with their own lampstands and angels. Perhaps the institutions of man, very clearly corrupted by people seeking power and influence are not the "true" church. Perhaps Jesus knows His sheep, and they know His voice, though they are scattered across multiple pastures. Scattered, but still unified by the Holy Spirit, seeking to serve and glorify their Master.

[@maxprescott9371]

Hello,, and that would be the Roman Catholic Church in your view.. correct??

[@jeffreylintz]

Written like an avowed Catholic. The heirchy is all about control and power. The true church listens and is obedient to the Holy Spirit; not man, not tradition, not an interpretation of scripture devoid of the Holy Spirit's revelation and illumination. Not a single tradition has risen above sight confined to a dark glass. One thing alone is imperative, to press onward toward the mark of the high calling in Christ Jesus. The image of the Son of God is what moves me.

[@BenjaminAnderson21]

So, who's gonna tell her that classical Protestants also celebrate the Eucharist and claim aposolic succession?

[@Dexter.001]

Heiser's book the Unseen Realm is super heretical! Heiser believed in and pushed this "World view" in his teaching, his book the Unseen Realm is just that, in actuality goes against what Paul says in Romans " Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect." Heiser totally comformed people to the "World". Heiser turned the Bible into a Science Fiction Fantasy and has mislead so many with his Stupid teaching, but like the saying goes, "You can't fix Stupid!"