Unstoppable Cheaters: The Dark Underbelly of Hunt Showdown Revealed - Huuge

[@Huuge]

Hunt Showdown made a response about the cheating -> kzbin.info/www/bejne/jX6aapqNbsyeb8k What do you think the future holds for Hunt Showdown? I read ALL comments 👀 Don't forget to follow and watch LIVE at Twitch.tv/Huuge See you there!

[@skyandmoonlight]

Hello Huuge, have you ever seen that clan of cheaters that tells everyone in game that they are cheaters? i found the video and it's craaaazy, the name of the leader is {MH} malingo

[@skyandmoonlight]

@@brandonknapp8046 whaaaaaaat????

[@dlad6278]

I remember back in the days when they first launched Hunt and the couple of years following through 2018,2019,2020 and so on I exposed obvious cheaters and deliberate cheaters and showed clips and profiles in the official Hunt Discord. The mods were not happy about having people exposed red handed what they were doing and even asked Crytek and Hunt devs themselves about the websites selling cheats and why they were still open and running and not shutdown or working on a lawsuit. All I got in return was me fighting off cheaters being a bad whiner and ended up getting permanently banned from their discord and communities for exposing their love bunnies and kittens they love so much. Crytek and Hunt Showdown love cheaters more than their own Good Samaritans working the good man’s work. And ofc patting their partnered streamers with cream and cookies for keeping the lies shut and playing their part manipulating viewers

[@skyandmoonlight]

@@dlad6278 well well well believe me or not, i have exposed cheaters on their discord with videos and screenshots (compelling evidences) and they banned me from discord as well ! I can’t believe what you just said is literally the proof i need it now 🤦🏻‍♂️ i have quit Hunt and never go back to their trash game

[@skyandmoonlight]

@@dlad6278 i really hope Huge would read this comments, i got banned from discord for the same reason, after exposing cheaters with compelling evidences, videos and screenshots too

[@Lieutenant_Dude]

I remember seeing in the Hunt subreddit that a bunch of Japanese and Thai players have been begging Crytek to give China it's own region and lock them in. They have to deal with them in their games 24/7, and it sounds like a nightmare.

[@Nobody-dl4tm]

They SHOULD region lock China. But even then those bastards would just use a vpn

[@NeonMako]

Fed up of the way devs and even some players try to gaslight people who point out that China = exceedingly high rate of cheating. PUBG did it, Tarkov sort of did it, Heck even Crytek kind of does too. I get that China means a ton of cash for your game, but your'e selling your soul when you try and dismiss the now well bloody documented problem as 'racism'. If 25% of you are cheating, GTFO of servers where that isn't the norm. That is a game killing level of cheating. Because newsflash, cheaters don't care about ping because they're fucking cheating. China should be across the board banned from ever playing the same servers as the rest of us, just as the world banned Russia from the Olympics over their cheating. Every single vaguely competitive game should be on board with this, and the only reason they aren't must be money, because there is no other reason I can even fathom that would justify it otherwise.

[@MysteriMaan]

Alot of Asia server players quit a long time ago

[@Nobody-dl4tm]

@@MysteriMaan Gee I wonder why.

[@MysteriMaan]

@@Nobody-dl4tm thats why they are seeping into NA east and NA west during asia peak hours.

[@Wasylek1337]

Guy kills my entire squad in 3 sec with 3 headshots , open steamprofile , multiple VAC bans , still plays hunt till this day

[@zatoka08]

"privacy concerns" my arse. They can set their Steam Profile to be private. But not being able to see their nick or stats IN game? This is ridiculous and Crytek's reasoning doesn't hold up whatsoever.

[@Flipomat1]

The people who complained about their privacy were exactly the people who needed the privacy to cheat. Facts.

[@stokedd]

buy some more dlcs and support them as you all do.

[@Streetboarder89]

What I said the moment this feature came up long ago. Only cheaters use this privacy shit, just remove it from the game

[@phosphor112]

Germany has some stringent "privacy" laws. The fact that they don't even say WHEN someone gets banned is because of country level laws. It's super annoying.

[@tihokhan1937]

@@phosphor112Nope ... there are no privacy laws that protects your gaming accounts, cause it is allways up to you what informations you put in your profiles.

[@Lothrean]

The childish way crytek responds to people calling players out for bad behavior is a joke.

[@drycattle]

And hiding behind privacy laws and "common industry practices" not to publish information/stats about cheaters. Meanwhile every other AAA game is publicly giving list of names people they've banned. Crytek needs to become publicly traded company & management and decision makers sacked IMMEDIATELY.

[@Lothrean]

@@drycattle I think being a publicly traded company would actually make things worse. Every company has blind spots and internal problems surfacing in different ways. Crytek just so happens to have a problem handling cheaters and toxic players because internal struggles. That’s sad and could be easily fixed by another company but it’s just an individual weakness of them. CS2 struggles with cheating alot too. And games like Battlefield, Valorant and CoD have other equally negative problems. It’s just the current age where cheaters are willing to invest more than those interested in good anti-cheat.

[@thealonestargazer]

same as escape from tarkov subreddits and pretty much the devs themselves

[@Psychosurgeonpls]

its like when player unknown called everyone racist because they asked to not allow chinese players on NA servers, of which the cheater problem shot through the roof when they were allowed on NA, obvious problem met with BS

[@leadpaintchips9461]

@@drycattle I haven't seen these lists of cheaters, got a link to them?

[@leroyjenkins9035]

With the removal of the attributes file, i sure do feel more comfort and peace of mind knowing there is no way we can hold someone accountable for cheating on an account set to private. Phew, what a relief!

[@arattactician5697]

Isn't it just the best? *I say while gritting my teeth*

[@Gumbodad2]

@@arattactician5697 Ever heard of data protection? This is a game ffs. Not saying that cheaters shouldn't be dealt with but not by doxxing every single other player.

[@viciouscube3321]

@@Gumbodad2 bro come on showing kda and steam profile is not doxxing dont be ridiculous

[@entopticmedia]

@@Gumbodad2 suspiciously like something a cheater would say

[@wallythewizard2411]

its inconvenient but you still can through support

[@lars7747]

finally someone actually talks about this. mention it on discord and you get banned, show clips as proof and you get your clip removed, its ridiculous

[@YaSmithe]

Its cuz it is against the rules on discord. You can report it. I once brought up that BB has a lot of cheaters in that clan and was banned for a day from posting on discord. It's just a rule break cuz they dont want ppl accusing others in the server when it should just be reported

[@bubbly_ghost]

​@@YaSmithe Yeah like reporting does jack shit unless you're a streamer with a direct contact with crytech

[@lars7747]

@@bubbly_ghost the streamers also stop talking about it once they beco e partners. Since rachta became a crytek partner he hasn't made a single "beating cheaters" video cause the Devs don't want people to see that

[@presidentcamacho9518]

The irony is he bans people like a bratty child on stream for simply asking questions he doesn’t like

[@paperfart3988]

Oh the amount of gaslighting is ridiculous

[@LV20manatee]

The only reason anyone he reported got banned is because he had a direct line to crytek. Everyone else’s reporting gets ignored

[@donvito159]

Sadly I agree with you. You can tell that is the case with Iceman's response, he threatened to take away the privelage of a direct connection and was gonna have Huuge use the report feature "like everyone else".

[@orkhepaj]

yep ,same experience we should get at least bloodcoins

[@Dante_S550_Turbo]

this seems to be the case in every game. idk why the fk they have a report system in all these games when it goes under utilized or ignored all together.

[@jaybeam1466]

The Chinese ruin every single game they have action to.

[@bennemans92]

The Chinese ruin everything* fixed that for you

[@philipp6313]

@@bennemans92China = cancer

[@TheRealLarcin]

​@@bennemans92the Chinese ruin*

[@awezomerene]

the Chinese*

[@LiquicitizenAntoine]

the*

[@lagfx9]

The way the CM responded is a maidenless behaviour. You gained the community respect. Cheating needs to be addressed heavily so actual actions be taken.

[@theforgeryttv6449]

I NEVER liked how Iceman handled things as a community manager/moderator and him making a threat like that confirms it. In fact, I even made a video long go in which a Crytek moderator got a VAC ban which shows they got some really great people there. I think Huuge had to say someone was nice there to avoid any more trouble.

[@Anuisgod]

@@theforgeryttv6449 The thing is these on the brink of bankruptcy companies don't care who they hire. All we know he might did the job for free.

[@theforgeryttv6449]

@@Anuisgod They sure don't. They don't even respect the content creators who promote their products at times which shows a lack of respect. No wonder why Huuge is moving on to Helldivers 2 (as implied at the end of the vid).

[@RedshirtAfficionado]

I don't like ANY of Crytek's community managers. They don't feel like real people, they feel like power tripping goblins who give certain users preferential treatment.

[@theforgeryttv6449]

@@RedshirtAfficionado Same here. One Crytek moderator even had a VAC ban and I saw someone posting an image of another simping for a female user when someone said "the irony" to her in the forums (unfortunately, I don't have a link to the picture). That's why I tend to avoid the Steam forums as it's all a cesspool. Almost no real discussion anymore and it's filled with moderators who abuse their power like you said or trolls that are trying to farm points.

[@ThatOneGuy-nn1cy]

The amount of the guns being used to shoot through concrete is staggering! The only one I'm aware of being even remotely capable of shooting through concrete is the nitro.

[@darksage226]

Imagine getting butthurt over callouts on social media as a public spokesman for the community of a game you work for... damn

[@drycattle]

He was a creep with super high ego anyway. I always felt weird about him, like he was above everybody else. Entitled & power trip.

[@theforgeryttv6449]

@@drycattle I had the same feeling about him. I never liked Iceman as a moderator and how he handled his position.

[@Keith-to2xu]

@@drycattle I didn't see him that way at all. I've talked to him on discord before. No idea where people are getting these ideas. Only reason why I do think he's gone is because Cry doing damage control and he was name dropped and had been working with Huuge to ban people. So he was going out of his way to ban his reports personally.

[@rodrigog4290]

@@Keith-to2xu "no idea where people are getting these ideas", did you how he responded to huuge calling him out?

[@Frostile]

Calling someone out for not banning someone within 24 hours is entitled and childish.

[@Fearless_Beggar]

LMFAO "The comfort and peace of mind for all members of the community" is truly hilarious.

[@WakeUpToReality...]

Only one i can think thats worse was "A sense of pride and accomplishment" from EA

[@Smellslikegelfling]

Crytek rarely investigates in-game reports because it doesn't include any proof and there are too many reports for them to sift through.

[@MarcelDerLPer]

thats why you should report on the official website they ask for proof and also steamid if you post a unlisted youtube video of the guy cheating there you can see when they watched it thats one way to proof they never watched your prooof

[@theforgeryttv6449]

@@MarcelDerLPer And now, it's going to be pointless. Without the attributes file, all hackers need to do is have an alternate account with foreign letters so their name will show up in rectangles in-game and make their stats hidden. That way, it will be impossible to find their Steam profile to report. I know this because I had a Chinese hacker wall-bang me through a solid brick wall with a Sparks and beyond in-game reporting, I couldn't do anything else because he did all that.

[@MarcelDerLPer]

@@theforgeryttv6449 can still report them just explain the situation time of day etc. include the clip they can still persue learned that recently

[@TheBizzerker]

I hope they appreciate that you're out here making excuses for them.

[@theforgeryttv6449]

@@MarcelDerLPer The problem is, what happens if their names show up as rectangles? If there's more than one player with that and their profiles are set to private, how else will they know for certain which one is which? All 3 guys with that could be cheating or only 1 or 2 of them actually are. That's what they'll probably say. EDIT: Even worse is the hacker can even impersonate someone else like in Huuge's case so they may even ban the wrong person. While he didn't have that, he got threatened for it when exposing how incompetent support was.

[@jordandijoux6325]

When this 'Iceman' threatens to block you and send you back to the normal report system, this means for me that this "normal system uses by everyone" DOESN'T work AT ALL. I really dont know what the futur holds for HSD, but I think more and more that my future will not be made with this game.

[@skd9da]

meanwhile idiots in steam forum "I don't encounter any cheaters in my 1000 hours of playing"

[@jdakiller1017]

I mean, I have 950 hours now after playing off and on and Ive only ran into like maybe 2 blatant cheaters so far lol. obviously I have most likely ran into more that are better at hiding it but yeah

[@SirChapuU]

@@jdakiller1017when will people understand that the real hackers arent blatant about it lmao, blatant mostly are just testint their hacks and etcetc the people who really uses it act like normal players, thats why csgo is full of hackers and people think they are just “good” 😂

[@toby6275]

@@SirChapuUesp cheats in a game where you can easily shoot through objects = combo made in heaven but 99.9% of the playarbase can’t think anything other than “huh no cheaters in my games ever because they weren’t spinbotting”

[@McBurgle]

Looks like they are probably correct and played those hours on us east, especially below 6 star.

[@Squall598]

I have 5k hours and I've gotten 30+ accounts banned that I'm aware of. There are many more that I didn't get banned due to what Crytek thought was lacking evidence despite my going over how they were cheating. Some people are really good at hiding it and I guess the devs just don't see how they're cheating despite them staring at players through walls even after they've relocated to a complete new area away from the original shots.

[@ChillWithKris]

Ban cheaters. ❌ Ban talking about cheaters ✅

[@JOSHYBOYO]

crytek is asleep

[@TaRAAASHBAGS]

Except when churning out skins and other monetizable content

[@codenamescreech517]

& lazy

[@RexVergstrong]

Not really. At this point they're pretending to sleep.

[@ImNotLuthien]

@@TaRAAASHBAGS At this point I´m expecting them to make the game free and load it with stupid skins and stuff. PUBG thing. If that happens, I´m uninstalling. This game was like a fucking massive discovery for me and such an unique experience that I wouldnt be able to restist it.

[@kobi399]

There is 50 something people spending 40h a week on the game. Trust me they know exactly what they are doing.

[@OrganicReactionz]

The sad part is because this technically violates the “Naming & Shaming” policy, Crytek won’t even respond to this… but I hope they atleast see this and maybe acknowledge it somehow.

[@Nayl62]

I still don't understand HOW and WHY crytek doesn't do anything for bullets going inside walls and the server is like " oh yeah that's a a legit bullet, the person die " just like the arrow to a brick wall we saw multiples times Crytek is def at FAULT for many things, especially protecting hackers privacy and letting them getting away with it. There's already tones of videos out there, reddit post etc, and you having to deal with those same CM protecting them is INFURIATING, saying using the ingame report when you CAN'T because people have privated profile so you can't get their Steam64 (or something like that) because you don't have the option "open profile". I don't want to be part of this community. I think many people should watch this video even if they don't like your content/you has a person but are playing Hunt, those types of information must be public especially others CC need to stand up and speak for this problem too and not be silent because they are in a contract with Crytek.

[@Slyslug]

Youre talking about devs that needed 5 years to make a reconnect feature. They're okay modelers but they're incompetent coders.

[@tomiik5195]

@@Slyslug And it still doesn't work most of the time :)

[@kralexprofill4571]

You know some Crytek developers make their own cheat-engine and sell it online? Somehow it gets updated regularly to every new version of the game and doesn't get detected by anti-cheat-software

[@theforgeryttv6449]

Because Crytek is a scumbag company. They were even accused TWICE of not paying their employees. Now their method of damage control is not only to silence people but to threaten them if they talk about it. If this video isn't a wakeup call, then I don't know what is.

[@dewinteryageu]

@@Slyslug Reconnect Feature, that still dosnt workt properly and causes some weird glitching or even ad or disadvantages in combat, if you finally could reconnect.

[@Zed-4]

I like the way the Senior manager of Crytek knows that the in-game reporting, even their reporting through their website is so shit and slow.

[@kalebdavis8652]

"The Wiggle That Killed Tarkov" Hunt Showdown Edition

[@JP-wq8fp]

except this is just an attempt to copy that video with out much proof and a very small sample size of 100% verifiable cheaters. He also makes many many claims that he never provides any evidence for and uses "circular reason" statements a number of times.

[@TheBizzerker]

@@JP-wq8fp no

[@kalebdavis8652]

@@JP-wq8fp Congratulations, you just won the "How to out yourself as a cheater" Award. God, cheaters are Actually just Full of Brain Rot. Why do they try and defend themselves. Especially in the comment section, With a new account, and with a randomly generated Name. TF outa here, Cheater Scum. Probably just mad cause he got you banned.

[@kalebdavis8652]

@JP-wq8fp Congratulations, you just won the "How to out yourself as a cheater" Award. God, cheaters are Actually just Full of Brain Rot. Why do they try and defend themselves. Especially in the comment section. TF outa here, Cheater Scum. Probably just mad cause he got you banned.

[@marathon_pro]

@@JP-wq8fp huh?

[@adriz7914]

i already play against a cain with 15 concertina in his inventory, infinit ammo 10 KD and litteraly vaccum all the bounty in one click, this is the biggest cheat i ever see in a game, it's like he was on a non multiplayer game with mods... cheaters ruin the game man for sure ....

[@MárkArató-b9x]

Yeah... This is the only reason Im no longer playing competitive shooters. The cheating has gotten out of hand, and companies do nothing to stop it...

[@theforgeryttv6449]

@@MárkArató-b9x Indeed. I got a friend who uploaded a video of him getting headshot from an arrow about 300 meters away and through a train car. The cheaters are so blatant because they know they can come back and there's no way to stop them. Even worse is companies not doing anything and if they are, it's only to make themselves look good in the short term.

[@L0cky69]

Thank you for trying to deal with these "people". I am a player from Russia with 1000+ hours, but I have never been able to play in my region because of the mentality of China, which claims that all means are good to win, including cheats. They are constantly migrating to Ru servers, so we are migrating to EU. But even such actions do not help, lately I have come across completely different people in every 2nd game, from different accounts, in different regions, who simply kill your entire team through the wall into your head. My favorite game was abandoned because of this. Crytek apparently doesn't care about those who have already bought the game - the money has been spent. A lot of thoughts on this, but I'm tired of whining...

[@WiseRiley]

Same :(

[@Yeahhoee]

and we hate you guys playing in europe with your highping bs!

[@legendary879]

​@@Yeahhoeeа что ты сделаешь мне? Точно также ноешь удачи)))

[@Yeahhoee]

@@legendary879 what does this crap even mean sir?

[@secondflame7875]

@@Yeahhoee he said: what will you do to me? You whine in the same way, good luck)))

[@MachProdigy]

We needed a video like this on the Hunt cheating situation. It gets worse and worse all while the same bad faith reddit posters state they’ve never seen a cheater in 3000 hrs. Some of them are so obvious about hopping on the subreddit to lie about cheating specifically, one guy nuked his entire account upon getting called out for it. He is still active now. Hopefully Crytek really is assembling an anti-cheat team and we get some updates on that (and the engine upgrade) soon.

[@the0new0revolution]

Did you read the stats at all? Cheating is a problem, sure, but cheating will ALWAYS exist. It's an arms race, and the nature of it will always have game devs behind trying to catch up. On EU servers it 1 cheater in 70+ games? At 15 minutes a game maybe average you're looking at 1 cheater every nearly 18 HOURS of gameplay? For US west it was much higher at 4.5%, but still only 1 cheater every 6 or so hours of gameplay, and US east it was lowest at 1 cheater in 145 games or a cheater every 36 HOURS. If you play on Asian servers that sucks, I'm sorry, but anywhere else and the cheating problem isn't nearly as bad as people are making it out to be and these stats prove it.

[@theforgeryttv6449]

@@the0new0revolution It's going to get worse as Crytek provides ways to encourage cheaters to stay. All you need to do is get a profile with foreign letters so the game can't understand it (rectangles as letters in-game) and hide your stats, you're essentially anonymous. You won't ever know who they are. Or worse, they can impersonate someone else so they can get falsely reported while still hiding their stats and any way to visit their profile directly. The fear of all that will be enough to make people run far away from this game. You want proof? Just look at The Cycle: Frontier.

[@grantl3425]

In 5 days this has managed to be your most popular video. This speaks volumes about the cheating issue in this game. Keep up the good work!

[@smithynoir9980]

Why do companies put in place practices that are easily abused by cheaters? "Lets make the cheaters profiles private" -Crytek

[@Griffnationn]

After 2500 hours in hunt, the problem has gotten worse. ESPECIALLY in the 6 star rank. Thank you for what you do Huuge. I'm sorry you got pushback. That makes me rethink wanting to continue support a dev studio that pulls some shit like that.

[@Shadowdark954]

Not even 8 minutes into the video and i can already say : Amazing work there, Huuge ! You've already had my utter respect for being who you are, standing your position on many subjects about this game and all. You are undeniably one of the best players in this game, if not the best (and i've already told you that on many occasions during your streams) ! I also do respect some of the other top players on Hunt for different reasons. But the thing is that none of them would ever criticize, denounce or oppose Crytek's policy about hackers, simply because of their partnership with them (which is only logical). And you're not the first one to report this evil nuisance either, but you most certainly are the most credible person to be able to do so up to this day. The amount of effort you've put to bring light to this problem is astonishing and for that i want to say : Thank you ! I'm certain that you can bring balance to this game, one way or another because you've already did it in the past. Good luck and keep up the good work !

[@psyantologist]

Thank you kindly for your continuous efforts in shining a light on this situation - highly appreciated!

[@geelhard]

Great content my man. It is so sad that a game you and I both LOVED!! Turn into this. Thanks for daring to put out this info and that Crytek has actually done something (even IMO not enough) they did a little but like you said account's are so cheep to get if you know were to look (I don't know were or want to) you have proved it. Thank you, Huuge, for posting this!

[@Absolut180]

This guy has huuge balls and can always count on his beautiful community. Keep going with the good things!

[@HighRoadSoldier]

Got domed inside Blanchett church from a guy 235 meters away inside Lockbay from a base Martini and through brick walls, wood piles, and trees. Until now I just figured the guy had a sick gamer chair...

[@Huuge]

What do you think the future holds for Hunt Showdown? Currently doing a Subathon and streaming 12 hours EVERY SINGLE DAY at Twitch.tv/Huuge See you there!

[@sardinhunt]

aggro custom lobbies

[@mach3057]

Very discouraged by Crytek's out of touch priorities and responses to any criticism. Vids like this are so affirming for veteran players, yet rare to see.

[@user-xed7obff6mgm55h]

find girl bro

[@arachnidoverlord6302]

If they do nothing about the massive amount of cheaters that infect the game the future of hunt isn't looking good. There's better games to play anyways where you don't have to deal with that bs.

[@user-xed7obff6mgm55h]

@@arachnidoverlord6302 lol tarkov full pf cheaters, apex full pf cheaters rust full of cheaters cs go full of cheaters) better games? man you really funny) go to your ghost of tshushima and dont play with onlibe games

[@ike3981]

You are doing a huge service for Crytek. Hunt will be another game I stop playing because of cheaters. Thank you for your time in catching cheaters and bringing this to light.

[@Jenrenegade]

This came out better than expected. It was a great video, and I hope this opens their eyes and people about the state of this problem going on. People who say they've never seen a cheater in the thousands of hours of playing just minds boggle me. When i have roughly 600 and have seen a handful of them. Like I said, I was specting cheaters thanks to you. Plus, I got a few banned.

[@danielmorris385]

Huge respect for doing this! HUGE respect man. Ive been posting about videos of me spectating cheaters on the steam forums since i started playing, and getting my videos taken down and banned from the hunt forum over it 3 times now. Thank god Crytek cant remove this video, as much as they probably want to. Thank god for you too brother

[@2bdiogenes443]

Huuge becoming the Glenn Greenwald of Hunt in addition to the one true Huntsman. awesome.

[@r2izuzu534]

The 'THIS PLAYER IS CHEATING' text reminds me of South Park's 'THIS IS WHAT SCIENTOLOGIST ACTUALLY BELIEVE' scene

[@Cl0wn1234]

thank u dude. iam tired of many streamers that always say that there are none or almost none cheaters in the game.

[@MagikBZH]

maybe because some of them cheat ? what you think about it ahah

[@Cl0wn1234]

@@MagikBZH thats nonsense

[@MagikBZH]

@@Cl0wn1234 ahahah you're delusional man

[@TheGameGuruTv]

gaming chairs are getting so good nowadays, insane

[@artemperesada3454]

If a game allows you to hide your stats, that's a massive red flag.

[@talon4618]

At that point, hiding your stats says so much more about you than it doesn't.

[@randomshenanigans4224]

"They got bored" Last 3 vets I know simply got mad, rather than bored. Became the very same thing they hate basically

[@sirminty8495]

Holy moly you only ran into ONE confirmed cheater in US East? I envy you.

[@qbertgaming]

I play us east and run into ONE A NIGHT... check my videos "hunt doesnt have a cheating problem" "the one and only easy anticheat" "more hacks for the simps" "Two hackers one cup" "wtf fix your game" all recorded in the last couple weeks (and these are just the ones i bothered to record)

[@anthonyandrade5071]

lol quit your bs I encounter cheaters a lot in US East too. People are also de-rendering assets in the game intentionally to shoot through bushes/fences. That is considered cheating too but Crytek always wants to cry "m-m-muh engine limitations!". Tbf though you probably stuck in 2-3 * lobbies so you encounter them less there.

[@leonardolee2278]

In US East, people doesn't prefer the direct aim bots that prevalence in ASIA server. They use all sorts of "techniques" like reshade, radar, deceive the game that you are playing through xbox (so that aim assists for controllers are available) so that they can claim "I am not cheating, you are just bad". And oh yes, some of they will leave a Chinese city on their main and leave a brunch of Chinese characters from google translators in their profile even though connecting from Asia is over the ping limits. Hypocrite is the best word for them :)

[@devilofneurosis]

I don't remember seeing a single complaint about the Huntstats website on any of the major social platforms, not on the reddit, the discord or the steam forums... I think crytek are full of shit on that. They just didn't like how much information people were able to get about their broken and flawed systems (mmr in particular).

[@diabloterrorgf]

This is absolutely the reason why.

[@rednirabkriv5376]

The truth allways hurt

[@quad2036]

Country of unknown origin strikes again. Region lock every game

[@Mrxlongshot]

solid work, theres a reason why I havent played hunt in about 6 months and I would play non stop from the "light the shadow" event. They just seem greedy and do nothing about the current situation of the cheating going on

[@mishegaz]

Hahahaha the Helldivers callout at the end :-D love it, well played sir

[@theforgeryttv6449]

Hello again. The situation with this game is so bad, he's already implying he's moving to other better games and I don't blame him.

[@GamerDadAntpile]

One thing I would point out is that Iceman could have had his boss riding him about other issues that day, or maybe he was out sick, or who knows. Im not sure 24 hours was reasonable. Because when you made the social media post, you didn't use his name. That means his boss looked into it and figured out you had dm'd him and he caught crap for it. You burned that bridge hard right there, imo. Also, that is how Iceman responded to that. Crytek as a whole seemed to handle it promptly once made aware by your post.

[@Mz.lanang]

should put region and ping lock to THOSE specific ASIA player

[@Anuisgod]

Tell that in hunt discord server and they will ban you labeling as xenophobic. (happened to me).

[@Mz.lanang]

@@Anuisgod xenophobic my A55 theres alot evidence for THOSE specific ASIA player it used to be filled with alot of real ASIA player but now days its gone bcs those specific ASIA player crytec realy clueless arent they

[@XXXXX1515]

Believe me, the neighboring countries who use Asia as a main server as well suffer every...single... day. to these "people" I swear, the only way SEA or any other server for that matter, plays peacefully is if we region lock THAT country.

[@StabMen]

Im from Russia, most of my matches on RU server are asian players and rarely others (at high 5*-6* mmr). Me and my friends change to EU server to avoid them, but sadly there is plenty of them there too. Unfortunately region lock will not be a thing, because of VPN which allows bypass it.

[@Mbmoney1217]

Hunt is just unplayable now. The saturation of events mixed with constant cheaters is frustrating and draining. Crytek does nothing for it's community except pump out skins for money. They never cared about the community even when they are called out on live streams.

[@troll5262]

It all started to go downhill whenever they hired the new monetization guy a couple of years ago. Less and less fixes, more and more focus on sheer profits(BB changes, skin cost increases for new stuff, leaning hard into weekly an daily things to build retention etc). It's barely a cash cow right now to feed Crysis 4 or whatever other projects they got going on. Hunt is insanely profitable(regularly in the top 10 on Steam and has been for years) and was even before all this. But now? Why should they care? All they do is push skins, events and cater to streamers.

[@EVPpsycho]

This video is surely the Magnum Opus exposing the cheating problems in this game. Seriously entertaining stuff, well compiled, documented and edited. Seriously quality stuff Huuge.

[@Terwilligrrr]

Thanks for posting this. Hopefully this is the "wiggle that killed Tarkov" video that makes Crytek pay attention.

[@fragmentedabyss8348]

This needs more attention, way to clean up the bayou!!! Keep up the good work brother.

[@siyuanzuo3750]

Thank you for doing this Huuge! Can confirm it’s really bad on the Asia server. I’m a 3-4 star trash so maybe 1 in every 20 games I encounter someone suspicious, but people I know who are 5-6 stars gets aimbotted almost every single match😢

[@codyd7841]

Ironic that iceman discord profile pic is of a clown.

[@diabloterrorgf]

We are all clowns for caring about this game apparently.

[@ZiDake]

Great work Huuge. You are doing the community a great service since Crytek and Partners don't really talk about that issue. Even worse, most people who speak out are getting ignored, downvoted or sometimes even silenced. Crytek is obviously turning a blind eye to this problem, even though the problem is getting worse. That is very worrying.. and sketchy

[@Janglur_]

Thank you for making this video hopefully this gets some traction.

[@beardedhoser]

Thank you for sharing. Obviously very concerning. Can’t wrap my head around what charge someone gets from cheating in a video game. It’s ridiculous to me….

[@thegreatdodo5092]

What frustrates me is, that crytek banned my friend after his account got hacked and then hacked in Hunt. We had the steam support confirming this via official documentation, my friend got proof via actions for restoration of the account, IP logs for behaviour analysis etc. Steam actually said "our word should suffice for the game manager to undo the ban" and crytek just said "it was your account, and it was your fault. We won't do anything." Crytek definitely not in for the place of good costumer oriented business behaviour

[@theforgeryttv6449]

My friend was also banned from the Hunt: Showdown Discord after someone falsely accused him and I've been perma-banned from the Hunt Steam forums there. They can ban people from the Discord and Steam forums but not the actual clowns and cheaters. Crytek just loves to celebrate April 1st every day there.

[@chrislaws4785]

I've always noticed that "community managers" for a LOT of games want to ACT like they give a shit and will talk to anyone, BUT when it comes right down to it....they DO NOT CARE and they get all butt hurt when they get called out for NOT doing their job.

[@Zenmaster_0-0_]

Can Cryek just pay you to ban cheaters for them? It would be entertaining as f.

[@tni333]

Well, this problem will never resolve as long as there’s no replay system. People spend hours of time uploading videos, communicating with support and at the end don’t even get confirmation - all to get one account banned and the account owner just gets a new copy of the game for a few dollars and continues.

[@Yeahhoee]

The best ever could happen to this game would have been Crytek selling the game to a proper company who is able to provide a game with good servers and a reasonable anti cheat at least.and for Crytek to go bankrupt

[@algickypenlas2795]

I've got about 5000 hours in this game and have seen an influx in cheating. I enjoy playing games with inherent disadvantages I force upon myself, and in this game it means going into games with no weapons, or no healing, or with a flashlight on. Fortunately for me, this keeps me in low 5 star lobbies, and sometimes 4 star lobbies when I play with friends. I certainly have experienced some cheaters in those lobbies, but the most I see are in 6 star lobbies after I decide to take normal kits. Thank you for making this video!

[@rogue.x]

Thank you for doing this Huuge. Now let's see Crytek put out more DLCs and pretty skins to distract us from the issue. Edit: and more back-to-back events!

[@mynameisawesomeman]

appreciate you documenting this so much.... Crytek isn't being honest about the amount of cheating, especially in Asia, so we need to shine a light on this so people are aware of how bad it is

[@DeadByDerek]

Great video Huge, very well done. Cheaters have ruined so many games that I love. How someone could find cheating enjoyable is beyond me. Nothing but a bunch of losers.

[@DeadByDerek]

Huuge*

[@theforgeryttv6449]

It's an ego rush. There's more videos out there that show the same people getting past bans to keep cheating and taunt players in-game. They know they can kill people from anywhere at anytime with how lax the banning system is. That's why Red Dead Online died.

[@darkcartman2826]

​@@theforgeryttv6449well to be fair it also died because rockstar didnt care about it at all and dont added much new content to red dead online but instead put time and effort to add more useless Cars to gta online. They let red dead online die

[@theforgeryttv6449]

@@darkcartman2826 That too, and the cheaters didn't help either.

[@GamerDadAntpile]

I watched you stream one time and found you kind of rude. But you have redeemed yourself in my eyes after watching this video. Doing God's work, sir. Reasonable. Backing everything up with the data and video clips. Bravo, sir. I salute you.

[@Crowking69]

you sent them too many profiles to ban. Maybe that was too much work so they decided to lock the file xD

[@theforgeryttv6449]

And when they gave up in issuing a ban on the impersonator, then they threatened him for it after being put in bad light. 10/10

[@Mishakur]

12th of February 2024 was "Rosenmontag" in Germany, the height of the German carnival. Most companies have an off day on that day, so Sunday into a holiday could very well be the reason for a delay to a request, just as an information from a German. Many people take their days off from the preceeding Thursday to Wednesday after also

[@pepperkakespisern5531]

When people exploited the peacekeeper trait to rank up and prestige faster, which is less harmfull than aimbot or wallhack, Crytek got mad and banned people😂😂

[@SrgentCracker]

Thanks for your support in getting those weak as* cheaters banned @Huuge. I am very happy that i play on EU servers. Now about ~2,5k hours and only just a few times when i had the feeiling that someone was cheating. But nearly 25% cheaters in asia is WILD! Can’t understand how one can have so small balls to have the need to play with cheats. I hope Crytek will put more effort in finding and banning those stupid cheaters…

[@ki0n969]

And all these bans were possible due to a single player checking one lobby at a time in one region at a time. Crytek told me in support they have been banning between 400 to 1000 players PER WEEK, its an INSANE number given Hunt players amount. I myself got 50+ banned since I started taking note of their profiles and checking back, many werent banned cause I couldnt get actual proofs due to no one being in the lobby after us. This being said, crytek is definitely behaving like a petty toddler, so unprofessional I wonder how they manage to keep their business running. P.s.: I forgot to add.. ALL OF THOSE BANS dont take into account ppl EXPLOITING THEIR ASS OFF with Custom CFG, NPI, crosshair, sound enhancers, rerendering. That shit cant be proved so crytek doesnt bother banning them. Some of them have youtube profiles advertising that shit and they still run freely.

[@diabloterrorgf]

I don't even care about that. At least they still need to use aiming for skill. They can't even ban the aimbots.

[@theforgeryttv6449]

Crytek was even accused of not paying their employees, and it was on two occasions. Why anyone would want to work for them is beyond me.

[@Thedemonsmaster]

Thank you for putting in all this work! I might be biased and of course my sample size is limited, but for me it feels like the amount of questionable people I meet in Hunt has increased over the last months. The amount of Asian and Russian players especially increased in that time which doesn't feel like a coincidence, even if it might be. Even if those people from further away are only abusing higher ping values, it still feels bad dying to them, while I can't seem to land any shots. Since I'm rarely spectating longer than a few seconds I didn't catch any blatant cheaters, but today I met a very special case. Solo, Prestige 0, Level 100, hidden profile, name was just blank (so most likely a single space). That player didn't blatantly cheat, but the way he moved, aimed and shot felt really scummy. Either it was someone abusing the MMR system to play against worse players (I'm rotating between 3 and 5) since he was supposedly only a 5 star playing against a lobby full of 3-4 stars or he had wallhack and maybe more stuff. But what can I do about that guy? Without a profile, without a name, without stats? Crytek has to do something about this and giving cheaters an easy way of going completely anonymous while the ingame reports basically do nothing fells absolutely awful.

[@pharmacyowner]

man i don’t see any methods of abuse in my games when i get thrown onto eu servers with 80-100 ping. it brings more struggling than benefits

[@modernoverman]

Really glad you could put this out! Im still wondering if there are cheaters who have software that tells them when they are being spectated?

[@zatoka08]

I think the word just spread among cheating communities that Huuge was spectating cheaters. There was even a situation live where random players started shouting Huuge's name.

[@IsraelStorey]

There was another video recently about a pair of cheaters and in one of the clips they were saying things in VOIP to the people spectating them. I don't think they would have anything to tell them, but they probably saw the spectating player kill themselves at the start of the match so they knew what was going on. It's not normal for someone to kill themselves immediately, so when they see that with their ESP then they might know what's up.

[@user-gf1cq4kj9l]

Wow that reaction of Iceman2k ... What a child.

[@layniebear1237]

seeing people who ive seen in games banned because of your video Q.Q and seeing them listed in the video Q.Q thank you milord huuge!~ sending you all the hype!!!!

[@f.calamo6658]

Lul che guevara got banned, after 2 years!

[@archstanton161]

I got banned from steam for bring up the cheating issue in this game in the forums lost all my progress on hunters and everything in my other games. Glad you are making some noise, so now they might have to address it. I want to play so bad, but I know this game will put me in 5-6 star lobbies and everything is so sus. If you really want to catch the real cheaters in this game just watch the people that are promoting the game. Look into trigger bots and esp the people that are blatantly cheating like this are not even the problem.

[@jackburtonhuntshowdown]

Impressive work, my friend. It's a shame you didn't reveal the names of the 100/100 account cheaters to shame them, haha. I hope this rock you threw creates "huuge" waves. Keep on keepin', on. I sure as hell have sent in video evidence of cheaters and shit talkers and got a few banned over the years. Always feels good seeing them punished.

[@bullet-tooth3712]

Finally someone who opens their mouth and denounces the obvious. Respect! The other well-known streamers have all been muzzled by Crytek. But I doubt that anything will change here, you can already see from Crytek's reaction that they are trying to silence people. Hunt Showdown‘s best times are over. But luckily Arrowhead stepped in. :)

[@SirChapuU]

RachtaZ gameplays be like:

[@sergejfaerlich4758]

Important video and important work! I absolutely support that! There should be an easy way for the whole community to team up against cheating, high-ping-abuse, MMR-tweaking, Smurf-Accounts etc. so that Crytek will finally listen and do something about it. First step: Reduce ping limit from 250 ms. Second step: Change hit registration system, so that high ping players are not longer rewarded. Let's hope that some changes will come along with the engine update. Keep up the good work, man.

[@ThaGeneralC]

I understand where you are coming from with the ping issue but you are also forgetting that a lot of people play this game from all over the world, two of my friends are from South Africa all the servers are high ping for them. they play on the EU server and that's the lowest ping for them and its still quite high. its not fair to punish people that have no choice but to play through the high ping when hunt is there favourite game. Thats a crytek issue because they will not expand the servers to countries like SA

[@sergejfaerlich4758]

@@ThaGeneralC As you say, people being forced to play in foreign regions going hand in hand with high ping issues for everyone, is an issue that Crytek has to solve. High ping abuse and hit registration problems are also related to each other. The current hit registration system favors people with high ping whereas every other serious FPS doesn't work like this. This encourages people with high ping to use this advantage. In addition to this a serious amount of cheaters in some regions (e.g. Asia) maybe the cause of some regular players playing in foreign regions (e.g. EU) with a serious high ping as well.

[@Arthysanal]

Although I agree with a lot of points, that reaction was legit from the CM. 24 hours is short dude, you don't have to throw a baby tantrum because he doesn't permanently focuses on your reportings.

[@Avalon167]

Good Video! The only bad thing is when my teammate dies in the middle of the field and rages in my ear yelling about a hacker, they're gonna talk about this video -.-

[@Daemon06]

Honestly impressive how you found so much cheaters, I have almost 1000h on Hunt showdown and I feel like I've only went against an extremely few amount of cheaters, I'd say no more that 10, and none so extreme that I'd remember them. That's not so bad I'd say

[@Cynical_Finch]

I'm curious to know if anyone else feels this way: Sucks that there's cheaters, but I am so fatigued with "EVENTS" that I actually hate the "Events" MORE than the cheater problem. For the last 2 "Events", I look at Hunt in my library, consider playing, see that there's an "Event", and immediately throw up in my mouth and go play something else. Am I alone in this sentiment?

[@sergeant_dornan_]

This was awesome. Thanks for making this compilation which can be easily shared with friends. The subathon was great, even though i rarely managed to visit the stream.

[@artemperesada3454]

I think Crytek really doesn't give a shit. They just make new DLC's/Skins every month for profit. Same with the events, they release half ass tested pacts, community finds a way to a use them, Crytek cries that they can't do that even though it only occurred because of their own incompetence/oversight. It's just becoming exhausting being part of this community

[@artemperesada3454]

Paired with the BB changes, they definitely just prioritize milking the community.

[@theforgeryttv6449]

Crytek and the community are burning dumpster fires. People actually defend their monetization schemes even though it's doing nothing to help the game. Servers are still awful and the anti-cheat is so bad, you might as well consider the game doesn't even have it with how the hackers keep using the SAME hacks over and over again to headshot people across the map. This video is enough to make me put off Hunt for good and move on to other games.

[@smashie1889]

Huuge, we all think the service you did to the game we all love is huge . you are the hero we needed and the hero crytek wasnt ready for. but maybe at someday crytek will wake up. you are basically the batman of the hunt showdown scene and you deserve a medal. thank you dark knight.

[@Huuge]

Thank you! Appreciate it!

[@Big_Country117]

These devs are absolutely pathetic.

[@blackadder5711]

Thanks for posting this. Cheating's a massive issue and if you mention anything to Crytek on their Discord they deny it, gaslight you, tell you stuff going on behind the scenes even though it's not. Very suspicious they've never posted data on the subject eg banned player numbers. I've heard the "I've played 5k hrs and seen no cheaters" comment as well. Well I've over 4k hours and seen loads, so it didn't add up and smacks of delusion from the person saying this. Interesting to see Crytek are actively making it harder to catch cheaters (blocking that file you mention) and essentially protecting them. That's quite shocking as a player to see and massively undermines any chat they give suggesting they care or are concerned and doing something about the problem. I got a temp ban on the Hunt Discord for calling it out once, I remeber being surprised how vehemently they defended the cheaters/denied there being an issue. Appreciate the time and effort you put into doing this.

[@vohoff]

good job !!

[@Huuge]

Thanks!

[@natthekiwi7074]

The fact that Crytek actively help cheaters cheat is baffling to me

[@foxeh123]

What huuge didn't mention is. He was only able to spec 1 guy at a time. It's possible there were even more cheaters in every game.

[@Cyneward]

That's a crap ton of work you did putting all this together, huge thank you to make this known as us small creators/gamers don't have the connections and can only report and send videos in hopes it gets looked at. Thank you man to you for the hard crazy holy crap why am i doing this work . It means a lot and to me shows the passion and love you have for Hunt Showdown otherwise why would you do this. I hate to admit it, it's gotten bad for most games these days, but with all the new tech and ai, there's got to be a way to minimize it further, or even having companies to keep a closer eye on their workers to make sure nothing is leaked or sold. Hell, even having a dedicated team, i thought there used to be dedicated teams to watch and handle things like this instead of just relying on software. Anywho, again thanks for putting this out in the public. It sucks and yeah, I still play hunt, I love it, but it does kinda put a damper on how much fun I had and worry for the future of the game. Take care sir to you and the fam!

[@EndbossProductions]

so why isnt there some AI that detects that shit in 0.5 seconds?

[@gregajohnson1985]

it would run on the CryEngine....

[@jeroenflipsen7384]

A really good investigation. I love the criticism that you watched for 12 hours a day for cheaters "so ofcourse you would find some" the fact that you have such a big pool of games you watched and you took relative data. adds value to the number you got well done you really did a great job of pointing out this issue

[@ObjectiveMaAd]

Man, thank you for your work and making it public. Only someone who trully loves the game can do such thing.