sëx and the city: why Natasha got the RING and Carrie didn't💍

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Serena Skybourne

Serena Skybourne

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@sarahwood8713
@sarahwood8713 Ай бұрын
in my 20s i was a carrie, but now at 41 i'm proud to say i am a natasha, it took a long time, a lot of lessons, and a lot of heart break to get here, once you are a natasha, you literally can't go back, i refuse to be like that again, so don't worry girls if you are not there yet, it takes time and growth, some might get there faster than others, if you have child hood trauma like me, it might take you a little longer, but one day believe me, you will get sick and tired of being treated like that and refuse to take it anymore, well that's just my journey anyway 🥰
@BeYounique...Maryanne
@BeYounique...Maryanne Ай бұрын
Beautiful story, thanks for sharing! Stay happy! 🥰
@ellenmsp
@ellenmsp Ай бұрын
When I was younger I wanted to be "fabulous" like Carrie and Samantha. Now that I'm 30 I see that the real badass is Natasha. She has a high level of class and self respect that I want to achieve.
@sarahwood8713
@sarahwood8713 Ай бұрын
@@ellenmsp and you will xxx
@SerenaSkybourne
@SerenaSkybourne Ай бұрын
@@ellenmspI think Samantha is super cool too but Natasha is another level 😍 But maybe it's because she was a briefly featured character and if we saw more of her, maybe we wouldn't have liked her as much
@KaraMaeAdamo1984
@KaraMaeAdamo1984 Ай бұрын
37 y/o and came here to say this exact same thing.
@JennaThePanda
@JennaThePanda Ай бұрын
The “now you’ve ruined my lunch” line was so bad ass, I choked when I saw it the first time 🤣
@aminadiouf1113
@aminadiouf1113 Ай бұрын
Oh the line is just teeeww good! Not only have you ruined the overarching aspects of my life, now you have to ruin the little things too ???
@SerenaSkybourne
@SerenaSkybourne Ай бұрын
@@aminadiouf1113😂😂😂
@Princessm2025
@Princessm2025 Ай бұрын
Natasha and this entire delivery was 100/10!
@RKon1995
@RKon1995 Ай бұрын
Seriously, the best way she could have dealt with the whole situation. Neither Big nor Carrie deserved her.
@shonacole2124
@shonacole2124 15 күн бұрын
It was good
@LAWoman323213
@LAWoman323213 Ай бұрын
I think it’s hilarious that Big still managed to disrespect Carrie from the grave.
@promisejackianja8458
@promisejackianja8458 Ай бұрын
Like he really hated her 😭😭😭😭
@60wwediva
@60wwediva Ай бұрын
@@promisejackianja8458 thats carries dumbass fault, she forced big to be with her and groomed him to be addicted to her crazy pick me behavior hence why he kept coming back when they split cause he became accustomed to her needy antics and the attention. carrie is horrible
@MrsSurrealista
@MrsSurrealista Ай бұрын
It’s so on brand for him.
@Macabellie12Crash
@Macabellie12Crash 25 күн бұрын
What did he do?
@kgabisopoto5039
@kgabisopoto5039 24 күн бұрын
Left his ex a lot of inheritance​@@Macabellie12Crash
@FishareFriendsNotFood972
@FishareFriendsNotFood972 Ай бұрын
Her getting the ring was a bad thing for her though......it's not a compliment for a bad guy to choose you. Rejection is protection!
@SerenaSkybourne
@SerenaSkybourne Ай бұрын
I’m so glad she didn’t stay with Big
@MariaM-sl6cm
@MariaM-sl6cm Ай бұрын
But, she also knew when to cut her losses, remember Natasha is the one who left Big and went back to Ralph Lauren!
@i.aint.1.of.ur.little.friends
@i.aint.1.of.ur.little.friends Ай бұрын
I don't think he even liked natasha. She just looked good optically. She fit what he thought a person of his status should have. It sucks that he did that to her. She was far younger than him and he took advantage of it
@MariaM-sl6cm
@MariaM-sl6cm Ай бұрын
@@i.aint.1.of.ur.little.friends It was the Don/Betty Draper dynamic. Natasha was an amazing catch for him at that point (yes he was a rich playboy but already once married and getting on) and he knew it so he sabotaged the relationship.
@isabelaisme6979
@isabelaisme6979 Ай бұрын
@@i.aint.1.of.ur.little.friends I think Big was a narcissist (as in he has Narcissistic Personality Disorder) and, therefore, couldn't really love or have empathy for anyone but himself. Natasha looked good to society, but she probably stood her ground and was out of his control. Narcissists have to be in control, so he desengaged from her. Then, he went back to Carrie, who was fully under his thumb and gave him tons and tons of fuel. She was kinda undesirable to him, as optics go, though, so he strung her along, until he was too old to get anyone better. But, IMO, he didn't love either of them.
@NinnaB123
@NinnaB123 Ай бұрын
As a woman in my 30s, who came of age in a time where everyone wanted to be "a Carrie", I cannot describe how much joy it gives my heart to watch a younger generation drag these caricatures of so-called female role models and have this much healthier, more nuanced take 💗💗💗
@floodgates182
@floodgates182 18 күн бұрын
Amen. It took too long.
@tamcar04
@tamcar04 14 күн бұрын
Amen!
@bethsheba7
@bethsheba7 5 күн бұрын
Yes, I've been saying for awhile, i think the kids are gonna be alright 😊
@dancingjoy0788
@dancingjoy0788 Ай бұрын
the fact that even a narcissist like big was willing to leave natasha so much money in his will is very telling. even he realized what a great person she was, and to some extent felt bad about the way he treated her when they were married.
@bellam7546
@bellam7546 Ай бұрын
It was triangulation, just another way to have two women pitted against each other.
@YouRemindMeOfTheBabe08
@YouRemindMeOfTheBabe08 Ай бұрын
​@@bellam7546 THIS!! FACTS!!
@Notawesomeatall7
@Notawesomeatall7 Ай бұрын
Narcisscists often do that when all alone or at the end of their lives. They idealize those they've devalued, gaslit, abused and invalidated.
@sheliamayes8171
@sheliamayes8171 26 күн бұрын
​@@bellam7546 Very good observation 💯
@jenniferlynn3537
@jenniferlynn3537 15 күн бұрын
There is no “fact” of Big leaving Natasha money in his will - nor of him “realizing” anything. It was a plot device to bring the Natasha character into the new series, make it more interesting, and carry the themes from the first series into the second. It’s for the audience to reflect on the possibilities of why the character of Big would have behaved such a way.
@2stayweird
@2stayweird Ай бұрын
Petition for a spinoff show where Samantha and Natasha become friends and run around NYC avoiding Carrie 🤣
@joylindadichamounix
@joylindadichamounix Ай бұрын
That is a great idea!
@OzmaOfOzz
@OzmaOfOzz Ай бұрын
That's hysterical 😂 but we all know Samantha is such a good and loving friend, even if she's not close to Carrie anymore, she'd never do that to her or her friends..
@EloraChristine
@EloraChristine Ай бұрын
The way I would be sat for this every week LOL
@anjab-1769
@anjab-1769 Ай бұрын
They don't match as friends either. Samantha cheats (with Richard on Smith while Smith was on a party with her and waited downstairs until she was done), sleeps with married men all the time and seeks them out (she says so herself, because she likes that they don't want any commitment from her), sexually harasses (the massage dude in one episode among others). I love Samantha. Her and Miranda are my favourite characters. But let's not forget that Sam is not sharing the same morals as Natasha.
@joylindadichamounix
@joylindadichamounix Ай бұрын
@@anjab-1769 I don't know where the Natasha worshipers came from 20 years after the show has been off the air. What do we know about Natasha morals? One of these videos implied that she & Big knew each other before he met her in Paris. Maybe she was sleeping with Big when he was with Carrie in the first place. We know very little about this woman. We don't know as to why Big left her money. It was probably because of all the emotional and monetary damage that he caused her through the affair & divorce...NOT out of love for her!
@dancingjoy0788
@dancingjoy0788 Ай бұрын
the most unrealistic part of the show was that big ended up marrying carrie. yes it took over 10 years for her to finally get an "i do" from him, but i feel like in real life someone like big would never settle down with someone like carrie.
@clarabp2613
@clarabp2613 Ай бұрын
I disagree, someone like Big when is getting old and is well known for his shenanigans can choose to end with someone like Carrie because he doesn't want to be alone
@SuperStella1111
@SuperStella1111 Ай бұрын
Disagree. Men like that always end up with the only woman left standing when the rest have told him: “you’re awful, no.” The most famous case is William and Kate. She waited ten embarrassing years for a ring, while he chased his actual flames. When they all dumped him, his middle class doormat was waiting.
@clarabp2613
@clarabp2613 Ай бұрын
@@SuperStella1111 William and Kate as in the British Royal family??
@SerenaSkybourne
@SerenaSkybourne Ай бұрын
I agree but also I disagree? Because I think he was circling back to Carrie only when he realised that he was getting older and none of his top choices wanted him
@SuperStella1111
@SuperStella1111 Ай бұрын
@@clarabp2613 yep. She was his stalker - a very Carrie personality. Heard he was attending school somewhere DROPPED OUT AND CHANGED HER MAJOR and joined his school a year or two late just to meet him. Stuck around as he dated other women that entire decade and even dumped her publicly. But when Jecca (his true love - aristocratic, blonde - because Like Mr Big, William had a type!) dumped him one last time, only one woman - Kate - was left standing. He was over thirty, and balding. And she still took him. The parallels are perfect; like the women on SATC, Kate never had a “real” job. The parallels are fascinating. The relationship took place at the same time as SATC. The way the stalking is public knowledge and openly discussed but absolutely no one cares is interesting. The class dynamic is sensitive in my example in ways that are even more pronounced than in SATC. But yeah, balding guys with weirdo families who annoy their other women will wait ten years to give you a shut up ring.
@goldenovaries
@goldenovaries Ай бұрын
Also! Natasha catches Carrie in the house, only bc she’s EATING NATASHAS LEFTOVERS. That makes me so hot every time I think about it 😂😂
@SerenaSkybourne
@SerenaSkybourne Ай бұрын
I knowwww like ewww 😭😭
@chanoy._v8758
@chanoy._v8758 Ай бұрын
Kind of symbolic, she got the scraps of her HUSBAND too.
@jaimicottrill2831
@jaimicottrill2831 Ай бұрын
@@chanoy._v8758 Oh, good point!
@AlixFiori
@AlixFiori Ай бұрын
The lowest of the lowest
@AlixFiori
@AlixFiori Ай бұрын
@@chanoy._v8758 OMG Yes!!
@dietdrpepper15
@dietdrpepper15 Ай бұрын
Natasha REQUIRED big to marry her. I'm sure anytime big said those dumb lines to Natasha about not wanting to get married she probably said 'that's fine but I'm looking for something else, goodbye.' And he would backpedal.
@microangels
@microangels Ай бұрын
lolno she was just younger and prettier than carrie
@dietdrpepper15
@dietdrpepper15 Ай бұрын
@@microangels yes on both of those BUT Natasha also valued herself. She ain't gonna let a 40 year old douche jerk her around. She would walk away if he started to pull any of the stuff he pulled with Carrie. That's why he had to propose.
@60wwediva
@60wwediva Ай бұрын
@@microangels she was richer, more educated than carrie and behaved better. she worked for ralph lauren in paris. carrie could never get a legitmate job like that and used her friends for leverage to work her way into vogue when she needed money. be real. watch the damn show again, every woman he ever slept with or looked at aside from carrie all looked like natasha. his type is brown hair, thin, classy, polished, elegant and poised. she clearly doesnt sleep around and she isnt foul mouthed like carrie. big never introduced carrie to his parents but rushed to meet natasha parents and his mom met her.
@marniekilbourne608
@marniekilbourne608 Ай бұрын
@@60wwediva Carrie is clearly not a good person but the show had her end up with Big in the end. I wouldn't want Big but Carrie did for some reason and she got him. Natasha may be all those things but she also for some reason married Big and was almost immediately getting cheated on.
@marniekilbourne608
@marniekilbourne608 Ай бұрын
And look what "requiring" a man to marry you gets you. You can know your worth but you both need to choose to marry each other because you want to and you love each other and for no other reason.
@Devilmousy
@Devilmousy Ай бұрын
How Carrie behaved around Natasha reminds me of the sentence "Do I want to be with her or be her?". At one point she was more obsessed with Natasha than with Big.
@dreamiinotdream730
@dreamiinotdream730 11 күн бұрын
Honestly she probably would’ve been better off with Natasha. But Natasha would’ve left her.
@Katie_Woo
@Katie_Woo Ай бұрын
Natasha is whom and what Carrie was so desperate to be- she wanted to wear couture and designer everything but she couldn't actually afford that lifestyle, it lead her to debt and to the point of having no money to stand on her own two designer shod feet. Natasha worked for a designer, did charity lunches and collected antique sugar bowls and liked a clean look in her home- Carrie saw this as the hit list of things to attack- going so far as stalking Natasha to a charity lunch and potentially bouncing a cheque to the charity in the process. She crow barred her way into the life of Natasha and destroyed it piece by piece, starting with the marriage. Carrie envied her and feared her and what do people do to what they fear? the destroy it and the most vulnerable part of Natasha was Big and his shady character, so that was Carrie's way IN.
@OzmaOfOzz
@OzmaOfOzz Ай бұрын
It was always so weird to me that Carrie envied Natasha.. yes they had different styles but come on, Carrie was a beautiful woman and she had really good style - outrageous and flamboyant and nothing I'd ever dare to wear but she had a lot going for her. Why would she even envy another woman.. it's so weird to me to see things from a 2024 perspective.. but I guess in the 2000s, this was what brought audiences.. pinning to 2 women against each other
@jaimicottrill2831
@jaimicottrill2831 Ай бұрын
@@OzmaOfOzz But Natasha had Big- who strung Carrie along for years and yo-yod back Carrie back and forth with his emotional whiplash. She got him without all the drama because she was beautiful, classy and sweet. Carrie couldn't;t stand that so she tried to look for things to be wrong with her instead of working on herself and her addiction to the drama with Big.
@microangels
@microangels Ай бұрын
lolno she was just younger and prettier than carrie
@nataliaalfonso2662
@nataliaalfonso2662 Ай бұрын
She had no debt.
@Katie_Woo
@Katie_Woo Ай бұрын
@@nataliaalfonso2662 Carrie did, in the early season her credit card was declined in a designer stone and the clerk told her that the credit card company said to cut the card up to prevent further charges
@alexissoleil6961
@alexissoleil6961 Ай бұрын
I’m happy you mentioned her jealousy of charlotte because that’s the first thing I noticed. And charlotte WAS in fact Big’s type
@AliciaLin-tn6gt
@AliciaLin-tn6gt 10 күн бұрын
Nothing worth debating. Given the prize is Mr. Big.
@isabelaisme6979
@isabelaisme6979 Ай бұрын
I have a theory that Big was probably embarrassed to tell his social group that he has been dating a sex columnist. I don't like the Russian, but even his more liberal circle of friends gave him a hard time on it and he defended her. I don't see Big doing that. He was very embarrassed of her at the only posh party he took her to.
@60wwediva
@60wwediva Ай бұрын
of course lmfao. thats why he chose natasha. a;so thats why he told carrie not to meet his mother and carrie stalked them at church anyway. she was a slut and he didnt want to be attached to that cause for wealthy men in the 90s your image was everything.
@Natalie_11188
@Natalie_11188 14 күн бұрын
It’s been speculated that Carrie was the woman Big dated and had sex with when he was in between women he took seriously- hence the no drawer at his place, the door man wouldn’t let her up etc.
@isabelaisme6979
@isabelaisme6979 14 күн бұрын
@ I agree. I think he already had his eyes on Natasha, or was already dating her, before his move to France
@rebecky5ever
@rebecky5ever 8 күн бұрын
Big openly mocked Carrie's job before, the only time he acknowledged her career is when she published a book and even then he was an ass about it. He was embarrassed of her, she was not the type of woman he believed he should have married. After the heart surgery he realized there was no one there but this desperate chick who willingly scraped his shoe soles on her tongue, he settled for Carrie
@isabelaisme6979
@isabelaisme6979 8 күн бұрын
@@rebecky5ever and he didn't even tell her he was out of the hospital 😅. That was incredibly cruel and she didn't even realize it
@marymiller6188
@marymiller6188 Ай бұрын
🙋🏾‍♀️ 46 here and I can tell you many of us who watched when it aired thought Carrie was terrible for cheating with Big. We also thought Samantha was the cool one 😊
@marig9236
@marig9236 Ай бұрын
I remember mpk saying he wanted to show Carrie as the bad guy to make her more relatable. She is a flawed protagonist.
@gennette22
@gennette22 Ай бұрын
@@marig9236this makes sense because unfortunately it is a common dynamic within relationships. The toxicity does make for good entertainment but I like to think that the writers wanted to make an example of her behavior to help people look at themselves and their own experiences in relationships.
@misoukihanyu5341
@misoukihanyu5341 Ай бұрын
Samantha slept with married men proudly… which is also terrible but at least Samantha personality was more likable
@Notawesomeatall7
@Notawesomeatall7 Ай бұрын
​@misoukihanyu5341 Samantha had her flaws definitely, and she paid the price socially in terms of her reputation, she also had many virtues.
@briannalee1998
@briannalee1998 24 күн бұрын
Same!
@OceanLily
@OceanLily Ай бұрын
The dirty look Natasha’s friend gave Carrie that one was the only way Natasha reacted😂
@chanoy._v8758
@chanoy._v8758 Ай бұрын
Also, remember the dirty look Aiden’s new girlfriend at the time gave Carrie. It was the episode of the first review of her book. They ran into each other in the bathroom or a bar or restaurant. Very sex and the city. Anyways, all Carrie could think of was “I cant believe that there is someone in NW who could hate me that much”. So tone deaf.
@mxniica
@mxniica Ай бұрын
Ur right and I say this all the time Carrie was a legit stalker. She harassed Natasha even showing up to church where big and his mother went to
@bellam7546
@bellam7546 Ай бұрын
Big always brought out the worst in Carrie, why writers did her dirty in the end is wild. But then again SATC was a product of its time, toxic behaviour in relationships was a thing.
@sugarpearl9781
@sugarpearl9781 23 күн бұрын
@@bellam7546Toxic relationships are still a thing. I can see this relationship happening in 2024
@TamESQ
@TamESQ Ай бұрын
A lot of rich men are cheap! That’s how they stay rich. 😂😂😂😂
@SerenaSkybourne
@SerenaSkybourne Ай бұрын
Omg 😂
@cheekytitaable
@cheekytitaable Ай бұрын
The true rich ones.. the ones that spend money are in debt… most gold diggers are oblivious to this
@60wwediva
@60wwediva Ай бұрын
big wasnt cheap. he gifted carrie an expensive judith leiber peacock clutch she hated. he gave her 30K with no ask back for her apartment, he always had a driver too.
@TamESQ
@TamESQ Ай бұрын
@@60wwediva Darling… point to where I stated Big, specifically, was cheap… 🤔 I wasn’t speaking of Big, beloved. My exact words were “A LOT of rich men are cheap,” I didn’t say “All rich men are cheap.” Get it now? Read better next time. 😘
@TamESQ
@TamESQ Ай бұрын
@@cheekytitaable You’d know better than I. I don’t have the mindset of a gold digger, so I’ll take your word for it. 🤷🏾‍♀️ 😂
@paigew1311
@paigew1311 Ай бұрын
I find Carrie to be a very interesting character because I think she was sort of written to be relatable to all single women, and for the sake of the shows drama, she ended up being boiled down to an amalgamation of a lot of relatable, but very toxic traits. I think a lot of women can relate to individual story arcs or relationships she had, but when you add all of those up into one person, she's kind of the worst. We can all have some of her toxic traits in relationships, but we rarely have all of them. Plus for the sake of the shows longevity, she could never really learn from her mistakes. One thing I will say for her, is she's unapologetically herself, even when herself is truly terrible #teamnatasha
@restingsadface
@restingsadface Ай бұрын
6:35 interesting case of destiny swapping. Carrie stole Natasha’s “destiny” of becoming Big’s wife. By messing with Big so much Carrie ended up getting stuck wasting her ENTIRE YOUNG ADULTHOOD pressed over Big…Meanwhile Natasha was set free allowed to find a new loving man and eventually a caring mother (something Carrie NEVER got bc of Big). Natasha’s a reminder just because you had everything destroyed doesn’t mean your not winning
@seabreeze4559
@seabreeze4559 Ай бұрын
yeah and love spells always backfire too
@katm7465
@katm7465 Ай бұрын
One thing I learned from this show is you can sympathize with both Carrie and Natasha. Big at the end of the day is no prize. Natasha getting the ring is a loss not a win. Carrie being rejected by big is gods protection not rejection.
@SerenaSkybourne
@SerenaSkybourne Ай бұрын
I wish more women understood that, rejection doesn’t have to be a bad thing
@samf.s.7731
@samf.s.7731 Ай бұрын
I think if you had an ex who's abusive like that, and at the time you were pretty bummed out when they didn't pick you, and then you came to realize how lucky you were after moving on ... Then you can really empathize with Natasha, but feel thankful that she made it out of that spider's web, just like you.
@Notawesomeatall7
@Notawesomeatall7 Ай бұрын
Carries NOT a victim, she's almost 37, emotionally stunted at 14 as Narcisscists often are and thrives on quilting and manipulating everyone in her path- including her friends.
@60wwediva
@60wwediva Ай бұрын
No, I can't sympathize with carrie. she forced big into her life, she was a hoe, she mooched off her friends then was rude to them and she attacked a younger natasha for her own mistakes
@juliaisprobablyalreadytaken
@juliaisprobablyalreadytaken 22 күн бұрын
10:58 he doesn’t treat her like a princess because she doesn’t act like a princess. She shows up drunk at his apartment, hunts down his ex wife, crashes his weekly church service with his mother. He treats her like the hot mess she was
@andreagilder225
@andreagilder225 17 күн бұрын
It's a wonder he had anything to do with her at all.
@zet433
@zet433 16 күн бұрын
@@andreagilder225I know right?
@dreamiinotdream730
@dreamiinotdream730 11 күн бұрын
And that’s why she was wife number 3
@TamESQ
@TamESQ Ай бұрын
Sadly, back then, the actress who played Natasha got attacked by many SATC fans, who are very stupid and think actors are the characters they play. Because Natasha was “The one who took Big away from Carrie,” she was painted as the villain and we were supposed to root for Carrie, the protagonist. Looking back, people realize Natasha was the victim.
@angelaholmes8888
@angelaholmes8888 Ай бұрын
Wow I didn't know poor bridget
@TamESQ
@TamESQ Ай бұрын
@ Yep! She recently joked that she’s glad SATC fans have stopped “Hating on Natasha.” 😂
@midnight_blue_7
@midnight_blue_7 Ай бұрын
Natasha was my favorite character from the show..
@thunder.ceases
@thunder.ceases Ай бұрын
Crazy that anyone could have ever been Team Carrie on any timeline, in any universe
@SuperStella1111
@SuperStella1111 Ай бұрын
People didn’t have social media back then.
@angelaholmes8888
@angelaholmes8888 Ай бұрын
You are right girls and women should inspire to be like natasha she's one of the best characters in the series more mature than big and carrie i absolutely love the scene in the restaurant where carrie did that bad apology natasha totally handled her glad she moved on and found love with someone who was worthy of her 😊💖💖💖💖
@bellam7546
@bellam7546 Ай бұрын
No, girls should aspire to be like Charlotte. Charlotte would have never married a man like Big in the first place. Natasha married Big knowing he still had unfinished business with Carrie (like did she not see it as a red flag that this much older man has a history of cheating and married her after 6 months after being in a year long relationship?) and lost her front teeth chasing the side chick, she knew Big and Carrie were messing around and stayed. Natasha is given too much credit honestly.
@jazminhuaycho9999
@jazminhuaycho9999 16 сағат бұрын
​​@@bellam7546I don't think Natasha judged Big for his past, she didn't seem to care that much on Carrie either because she was minding her own business, she seems so mature to be worrying about what is or isn't gonna do Big, either if he cheats on her or doesn't, it's not her major problem, that's his choice. In my opinion of course, that's how I see Natasha's thought process. Charlotte also made bad choices, everyone can be wrong at least once haha, every woman in the show had ups and downs, it is why they have rescatable things and those who it's better never to do.
@HouseofSilverInches
@HouseofSilverInches Ай бұрын
Strictly being around 11-12 years older than Natasha isnt what made Carrie gross. It was that Carrie was so much older, but behaved arpund 12 years YOUNGER than Natasha, around 14. Narcisscists are emotionally stunted, selfish toddlers who throw tantrums and are compulsive and impulsive, all things Carrie is. The smoking, the drinking, the spending, unable to manage money, emotions. Carrie was most likely, really embarassed when she met Natasha, because it showed her everything she wasnt but wanted to be. Also, Carrie had bitter feelings about her father leaving, and Big filled that void as well as desperately needing his approval.
@suzybearheart530
@suzybearheart530 13 күн бұрын
Not that I was ever a Carrie-type but in my mid-twenties I had my own version of Big. And eventually he dropped me when he met his Natasha. Well, fast forward a couple years and he was hitting me up confessing he always loved me in a way he didn't love his wife. It messed with my heart, I'll admit. But I noped-out so fast and as "therapy" rewatched those SATC episodes and was grateful I didn't get sucked into that kind of mess. I had to cut off all contact though. Can't be friends with that kind of history.
@jax001993
@jax001993 Ай бұрын
Question about the scene where Natasha hurts herself. When she was going after Carrie, She said something like "I know you're sleeping with my husband." I always took that to mean that Natasha had an idea of the affair before she found Carrie and it always made me feel extra bad for Natasha. I can see Natasha "knew her worth" when we met her (that's probably why she got the ring; she probably made it clear to big that she was not just going to keep messing around without a commitment and he decided to propose) but the fact (or probably) that she knew about the affair before finding carrie and didnt confront Big immediately, shows how far Big dragged her down and finding Carrie gave her the kick she needed.
@diana6337
@diana6337 Ай бұрын
I remember the scene a bit different “ I knew he was having an affair but I didn’t realize it was you” omg I have to watch it again
@NancyNolan-fm9gx
@NancyNolan-fm9gx Ай бұрын
@@diana6337 What she actually said was: "I knew you were sleeping with him, but not in my house."
@DonyaleLuna27
@DonyaleLuna27 Ай бұрын
Really nailed down Carrie‘s toxicity and her inherent jealousy of women who came from different backgrounds and had different views than her! In both cases, Carrie felt like she was entitled to something that belonged to both of those women; with Charlotte it was money with Natasha it was Big, her obsession with Natasha and her visceral toward Charlotte later in the seasons really made it clear that she was envious and expected these women to pander to her as if they owed her something! I am so excited for the next video!
@caiterate
@caiterate Ай бұрын
i dont even think carrie liked big tbh i think she just needed someone who would never pick her to pick her. she loved the chase. bc aiden was obsessed with her (no idea why) and offered her everything, but she ruined it. crazy that they didnt take the reboot to help her character grow
@BeYounique...Maryanne
@BeYounique...Maryanne Ай бұрын
Great point. The whole Aiden storyline was confusing because he was obsessed with her and we never saw why. I always wondered about that.
@thunder.ceases
@thunder.ceases Ай бұрын
@@BeYounique...Maryannekind of mirrors Carrie being obsessed with Big! I don’t think most viewers understand the big deal
@PatasSucias111
@PatasSucias111 Ай бұрын
Let’s not forget when Big took Carrie out to that party she was extremely rude to his circle and She embarrassed him, and he knew early on she wasn’t someone he could show off.
@diana6337
@diana6337 Ай бұрын
Yes that was very embarrassing to watch, she was behaving like a kid I know it was a different age but asking permission to smoke inside was just manners even if it was allowed in some places Then she being caught with that waitress, ew
@PatasSucias111
@PatasSucias111 Ай бұрын
@ I don’t think she asked, she sparked up and the host told her to go outside…then she got all pissed! Carrie wasn’t the preference she was the place holder. So glad as I’m older now to see how cringe she was lol!
@gabrielleduplessis7388
@gabrielleduplessis7388 Ай бұрын
Natasha did not deserve the treatment she got and honestly I think she deserved the money she got from Big. I think she rejected it though, which is understandable because she just wants to be done with them. But can understand why Big did it. He felt this was the only way to make it up to her. I admired her maturity through the whole thing. Even when she caught Carrie, all she wanted to do was talk and resolve the situation. Carrie had to be a coward which made Natasha fall down the stairs and get a bloody nose. What the heck? I also hated how Carrie had to badmouth Natasha and call her an idiot for making one common spelling error. Seriously. Am glad that Natasha is able to be firm and stand up for herself without being cruel. She remains composed and dignified. While she shouldn’t have to be the bigger person, she still is the bigger person. Respect!
@bellam7546
@bellam7546 Ай бұрын
Natasha is not all that, why on earth did she chase Carrie and feel the need to confront her about something she knew was going on for a while? She lost her teeth cause she was foolish. Big leaving Natasha that money was just triangulation from the grave, Big was a fucking narcissist, he didn`t care for either of these women.
@gabrielleduplessis7388
@gabrielleduplessis7388 Ай бұрын
@ will agree with you about Big. Just adding one more thing about my interpretation about Natasha based off observations of someone I knew who was treated on. Even when the person knows, they have this ruminating thought over and over again of “who is it? What does she look like? Hoping they are wrong. What would they do if they run into said person.” I feel Natasha has Carrie in her grasp and just wants to either explain her side and convince Carrie to back off or just rip into her while she finally has the chance. Also, this person I know experienced what happens when trying to leave and go to their parent. This parent told her to go back and work on the marriage. Natasha seems to be of the world where her parents were raised to take care of the husband and kids and divorce is not an option. So maybe this was her mindset at the time. So yeah, she knew for a while. But knowing and seeing it in front of your face are two different things.
@agnieszka.markova
@agnieszka.markova Ай бұрын
Carrie is a narcissist, and thanks to Gen Z analizes we - all have dreamt about becoming "Carrie" realize our mistakes and toxic behavior. This show had really bad influence over women.
@bellam7546
@bellam7546 Ай бұрын
Unpopular opinion: I`m sick of the Natasha and Carrie comparison and think that it`s just another way to pit women against each other and centre men. Carrie and Natasha are two different women with their own personality and upbringing. The problem was always Big, Big brought out the worst in both women and Big didn`t deserve either woman. One of them happened to be Mr Bigs trophy which is why he married her in 6 months. Big didn`t love either of the women and he was triangulating them, hence he left Natasha that 1 million not because he felt bad about the way he treated her but to triangulate. So really can we please stop with the whole be like Natasha and not Carrie stuff because a narcissist like Big does not give a damn about either woman, he will still treat you badly. Side note: I liked Carrie when she wasn`t with Big, or any man and I agree with the time Miranda said that Carrie becomes a pathetic human being when it comes to Big. Natasha was privileged, she had the privilege to grow up in the kind of environment where she knew her worth and could walk away from a toxic man, unfortunately most women have to learn self worth the hard way. And writers did Carrie dirty in the end.
@diana6337
@diana6337 Ай бұрын
I think we can take aside Mr big and still compare them both and praise Natasha For me Carrie is broke 35 years old writer who pretends to afford a lifestyle she desires, she mistreats her friends, she is self centered
@fazekaswahiba3922
@fazekaswahiba3922 9 күн бұрын
"Natasha was privileged, she had the privilige to grow up in the kind of environment where she knew her worth" This is so true, it's been apparent to me that the "high value woman" discourse that has flooded the internet lately, is closely interlaced with social class. The social and financial privileges a woman grows up with will influence her sense of self-worth for a greater extent, than we are willing to admit.
@crystalglopez91623
@crystalglopez91623 27 күн бұрын
Remember in the first movie, when they do a montage of how everyone’s spending their new years?? They show Samantha in California with smith Jerod, pregnant Charlette with her lil family, Stanford and Anthony kiss! And Carrie travels to Miranda’s house so they’re not alone on new years… then they pan to Big… and he’s nonchalantly drinking his wine and eating his expensive steak at a nice restaurant filled with people in the background… but yet he’s perfectly content alone. He’s not sulking about Carrie or anyone else for that matter. He really was not suffering while he and Carrie took their year off. Then he goes and copy and pastes the poems and sends them to her email !!! Hahahahahhahahaa
@dreamiinotdream730
@dreamiinotdream730 11 күн бұрын
Because he didn’t need a woman. He knew it just looked good to have one. Then he has his heart attack and suddenly Carrie is his true love
@Letsplay222
@Letsplay222 11 күн бұрын
Season 4, Episode 18: Carrie: Are you alone? Big: Yes, ma'am Carrie: I can't sleep. I'm feeling a little lonely. Do you ever feel lonely? Big: No. *Later in same episode* Carrie: What are you going to do out there in Napa, besides watch grapes shrivel? Big: Work, smoke cigars, look at the stars. Its just the way Big is. In modern parlance he would be considered a 'Sigma' male. Carrie often jokes about how Big doesn't have any friends, but he is not socially inept, he just likes being alone and doing his own thing.
@nataliianezhynska5119
@nataliianezhynska5119 Ай бұрын
I think most of the demographic that watched SATC eventually landed on the idea that stability and maturity is better than scattered emotional flakiness. No bs, just respect towards each other and dedication. True love and partnership is a decision- not whole bunch of feelings and emotions.
@vladimirazubcekova7727
@vladimirazubcekova7727 Ай бұрын
big was a narcissist. he only ever loved himself.
@martine4388
@martine4388 Ай бұрын
12:47 I always thought Big calling Carrie ‘kid’ was a reference to “Here’s to looking at you kid” from the movie Casablanca 😱 Still weird though
@mpazinambao2938
@mpazinambao2938 Ай бұрын
oh, so he's old old.
@symbologie
@symbologie 25 күн бұрын
@@mpazinambao2938 In the movie, we found out Big was 11 years older than Carrie. I believe Carrie was 6-7 years older than Natasha. He WAS old-old, especially for Natasha!
@RebeccaEd
@RebeccaEd Ай бұрын
Natasha is the Charlotte of another group, or, a Charlotte without a group. Don't remember if we see her friends, she might be a good socialite but not have strong female friendships because others may see her as Carrie, a threat and annoying perfection? She had such grace through everything. Carrie should have felt worse about herself over what she did. And felt worse about Big for what he did. I wish the show had included a deeper understanding of Natasha being a real person. Another woman looking for love, navigating the city, work, friendship. The scene when she falls down is heart-breaking. One of the best scenes really, and a step in the direction of *wakeup call, she's just another human being, you HAVE to help her*. But there should have been more. I would have enjoyed an episode fully from her perspective. Not just about the love triangle, but really introducing her in the SatC way. It's cruel how they portray Natasha, "beige" etc. It's very hostile towards classic/basic/neutral, being toned down - both in interior design, fashion and temper (lack of neurotic drama that media often portrays as "a spark"). Also consider that this even tempered 25 year old who seems to be a kind of Charlotte (raised to be this graceful in all situations, to shape out this ideal lifestyle etc) got married to Big. Big and Carrie are abusive and weird, but Carrie is not afraid of standing up for herself (with time/varies), banter, tell him to cut the bullshit. Natasha + Big is a terrible match. Take: Natasha should be with Aidan. I can see them being happy. "Not only have you ruined my marriage, you've also ruined my lunch" ah it's so good.
@diana6337
@diana6337 Ай бұрын
We saw a glimpse of her friends when she walks in the restaurant and she is wearing a cute pink dress and curly hair. And then she whispers to her friend and she gives Carrie a dirty look Carrie and her friends are having lunch and she goes like “oH i FeEl sO bAD” 🙄
@deeinoz7230
@deeinoz7230 7 күн бұрын
Oh! A Natasha and Aiden story would have been fabulous 😍 and probably would have sent Carrie off again! But yes would have loved if that had been done. Or, Natasha ends up with some high flying property magnate in NY and they end up buying Carries apartment block and chuck her out and that's how she ended up with Big 😂
@ashleystoering7967
@ashleystoering7967 Ай бұрын
I disagree that being a bad person makes Carrie a bad character. In season 3 the show ties Carrie’s feelings for Big with her addiction to cigarettes and explores the harm her bad decisions cause. SATC looses its way when it succumbs to the “romantic” happy ending, but before then it was purposefully exploring a toxic relationship. Also, a lot of Carrie’s decisions have been controversial since the show came out, especially her decision to cheat with Big. It’s weird for me to see people act like that’s not true. Her flaws have been rehashed more often than Rory Gilmore’s.
@SerenaSkybourne
@SerenaSkybourne Ай бұрын
I think her being a bad person could make her a more interesting and cool character so I don’t mind that, the thing that annoys me is her lack of development and growth even in the reboot 😔 I really love character development so when I don’t see it, it makes me sad
@sylly654
@sylly654 Ай бұрын
Carrie was a terrible character, I never understood how the show could hope to portray her as a strong, independent woman. She was a needy, insecure and untrustworthy person.
@SerenaSkybourne
@SerenaSkybourne Ай бұрын
@@sylly654 I think she was the opposite of independent hahah it's funny how hard the show tried to portray her as nice or redeemable, there's zero awareness in it
@marinaperez725
@marinaperez725 29 күн бұрын
I don't like Carrie either, but everyone's hagiography of Natasha seems excessive to me... She gets the ring because she's 20 years younger than Mr. Big and easier to handle than Carrie. Big wants a trophy wife and she wants a rich or powerful husband. Big makes fun of the fact that he now has the whole house in beige because of Natasha, you can tell he doesn't love her or care about her stuff. And Natasha isn't dumb, she has to know that but she doesn't care because it pays off for her. Carrie is pathetic, but Natasha is not an example of dignity either: she knows her husband is cheating on her and she doesn't do anything or confront him (she doesn't have the courage to talk to him as she did with Carrie). The mythical line “I know you were having an affair just not in my house” shows that Natasha doesn't care if her husband is unfaithful, she prefers to keep the money and the position. Carrie is an absolute pick me girl, but being with an old man for the status and the money also has a name, Naty... Carrie is obsessed with Big. She obsesses over Natasha not as “Natasha”, but as Big's wife. It's clear that she speaks badly of her out of envy, because Carrie sees that she's a wonderful girl and criticizes her with her friends (which is bad but human and natural and doesn't affect Natasha because she won't even know about it). And it's also a very natural impulse to run away when you get caught doing something wrong; no matter how ethical we get, staying and talking to your lover's wife takes courage that few people have. Lastly, as pathetic as Carrie is, if she were as flat as Natasha, there would be no series. Regarding Charlotte, I don't dispute that Carrie treats her poorly. But in return Charlotte treats Samatha in a disgusting way. In season 3 in one episode Sam is really scared because she thinks she might have AIDS and Charlotte literally ignores her and tries to get Carrie and Miranda to ignore her too because the important thing is to find a wedding dress for her. Utterly disgusting. And she treats her like that almost every time. So she's no saint either.
@elises.8157
@elises.8157 Ай бұрын
No one thought that Carrie enabling Big to cheat on his new wife was cool, not even back when the show first came out. But what you aren’t noticing is that Big and Natasha had an incompatibility. He found her boring. We have ZERO knowledge of what you claim, that he lost interest in her because she stood up for herself, but the writers DID use furniture/home decor as a metaphor here. Big complained about his home decor being “beige,” due to Natasha’s redecoration. When he said “beige is bullshit” that was him literally commenting on who he married and how he didn’t find her “fun” the way he did Carrie. He made a bad marriage, for him, because he clearly had a physical type (tall brunettes, his first wife was one too), and couldn’t “see” Carrie as a viable option for a very long time because she wasn’t one of those. So he married someone who fit his type, who he found boring just a few months into marriage. When they showed Big right after his separation, he was painting his bedroom wall red! I loved that.
@erinr3840
@erinr3840 Ай бұрын
I absolutely agree! Also, while Natasha behaved classy and all, she married the man who was clearly emotionally unavailable and treated her badly and stayed in that marriage. If she valued herself enough, she would not end up in this situation
@GemR38
@GemR38 Ай бұрын
Ok I have a couple of things to say here. Firstly it wasn't mentioned that Big STARTED the affair! He sought Carrie out even though he was married and Carrie was with Aiden. Big knew Carrie was weak for him and took advantage of that. Secondly season 3 has a theme of 'be careful what you wish for'. Big marries Natasha 'The Ideal Woman' and becomes bored. Natasha thinks she married 'The Ideal Man' and is cheated on. Carrie finds Aiden who does all the things Big wouldn't do for her, yet she still isn't satisfied and gets drawn into an affair with Big. Even Charlotte thinks Trey is her 'Happy Ever After' and it doesn't work. Season 3 is what happens when expectations meet reality. This is why it is wise not to rush into marriage.
@JanessaStuckey
@JanessaStuckey Ай бұрын
I think it would be interesting if you did like a deep dive on the author of Sex in the City, because in real life the author divorced Mr. Bigs.
@OzmaOfOzz
@OzmaOfOzz Ай бұрын
I thought she never married him?
@BeYounique...Maryanne
@BeYounique...Maryanne Ай бұрын
No, Candace Bushnell never married her " Mr. Big."
@leaveittodiah3393
@leaveittodiah3393 Ай бұрын
Natasha actress was treated like a "Carrie" by garbage Tom Brady, left her pregnant and alone... smh
@PamperedFurnishings
@PamperedFurnishings Ай бұрын
I remember that. It was not a good look for him as a man, his child not even having his last name. If common wisdom is to be believed, the failure of that marriage is a certain type of justice. It's a sad thing for the kids, though.
@Mina-hm2og
@Mina-hm2og Ай бұрын
Carrie didn't have to think how Natasha would feel if she learned Big was cheating on her. Big ,the husband, didn't, so why would the other woman do? I never thought Big was good for Carrie. I believe he didn't respect her, didn't want to introduce her to his circle of coworkers,friends and acquaintances because he was low key ashamed of her- of the the way she dressed, behaved, talked. People of his position want a Natasha by their side, are expected to have a Natasha by their side. And I think you are correct in pointing out that Carrie had no self respect and was tremendously insecure.
@AlixFiori
@AlixFiori Ай бұрын
12:57 I think Big called Carrie "kid" after Casablanca. It's proven he liked "old" movies and music and that nickname is so romantic in the movie.
@amazingbecka1
@amazingbecka1 Ай бұрын
I agree with most of what you’re saying and I really enjoyed the video, but I disagree completely that Big was “mediocre”. He had terrible character, to be sure, but he had a great personality. He was intelligent, charismatic, and charming. He was confident, sexy and rich. Most important of all, he was always out of reach for Carrie. It is human nature to obsess about the things we can’t have. Case in point: Aidan. She wanted Aiden so bad when he was punishing her for cheating, when she really believed she might lose him. Then when he proposed she wanted nothing to do with him. I think Big is awful and I don’t believe he ever would have married Carrie in real life, and if he had, it would have ended the way Big’s relationships always end- with infidelity and gaslighting. Carrie is awful in her own way too, but I still enjoy the show immensely. She seems like a real person. And I love the fashion, music and all the other characters who are terrible and great in their own ways. I can totally see why someone would hate this show. But I love it:) Great video, thank you for making it!
@bubblesrain1211
@bubblesrain1211 Ай бұрын
Very well done video and incredible analysis on Carrie's behavior and Natasha's character, always looking forward to when your videos pop up on my feed and hearing your well developed thoughts on media I've grown up with
@jaynedavis3388
@jaynedavis3388 Ай бұрын
13:27 men say “kid” or “girl” because they don’t want to be bothered learning your name. And/or they don’t want to risk using the wrong name with other girls. Carrie doesn’t deserve Natasha’s friendship & now they both know that
@abbyabroad
@abbyabroad Ай бұрын
The whole point of Destiny Child's song "Say My Name"!
@jaynedavis3388
@jaynedavis3388 26 күн бұрын
@@abbyabroad RIP Left Eye
@jenbialek
@jenbialek Ай бұрын
The fact that it seems like the same thing happened to Bridget in real life with Tom Brady
@이지은-z4w8n
@이지은-z4w8n Ай бұрын
I agree that Natasha is a class act and Carrie acts very badly. Never liked Carrie. But the way you describe woman' old age came across as very misoginistic. Carrie's behavior -stalking, obsessing, cheating is a wrong no matter her age.
@seabreeze4559
@seabreeze4559 Ай бұрын
She's older so should know better, it's relevant.
@clown-cult96
@clown-cult96 Ай бұрын
“I’m fine with women being criticised for stalking, bullying and internalised sexism but don’t you dare bring their age into it 😡” - you.
@PamperedFurnishings
@PamperedFurnishings Ай бұрын
There is this idea that women are superior to men because they are more naturally mature and more dignified. When that fallacy is challenged by a grown woman's socially unacceptable deeds, it comes across as a bigger breach of etiquette than it truly is.
@robertah2353
@robertah2353 14 күн бұрын
“It’s disheartening to see someone choose a mediocre white man over what could be a genuine female friendship” nailed it 😂👌🏾
@carissam83
@carissam83 Ай бұрын
Cynicism was very common pre-9/11 that’s why Natasha is framed in this way. Lots of insecurity because there was never a need to deal with it. Mental health and therapy were only the severely traumatized. After 9/11 more people took inventory of themselves more and how much they need to heal and deal.
@Nita_Key
@Nita_Key 20 күн бұрын
I like Samantha's character, but I don't see her as someone with massive amounts of self respect. She was more fearful avoidant than anything. She wasn't in touch with her emotions at all and thought having sex like a man would make her happy. That's not a recipe for a happy life. When she finally met Smith who saw past her facade to her fear, she tried to sabotage it by sleeping with Richard Wright. And where was the strong, confident, self respecting woman with him? Sam was a total pick me with Richard. I think people are just selectively viewing now to dislike Carrie, when the Carrie/Big dynamic was written to be toxic. The fact that their relationship was not something to aspire to is not news to the people who were really paying attention. I was disappointed Carrie chose him in the end.
@kristincox0212
@kristincox0212 Ай бұрын
I think Mr. Big was only 11 years older than Carrie. Not a big age gap especially since they were adults dating in their 30’s and 40’s. There was only a socioeconomic imbalance there but they were both aware of it. Carrie would’ve been maybe 8 years older than Natasha while Mr. Big was almost 20 years older than Natasha. That’s a bigger age gap but 25 (especially around ‘99) shouldn’t be infantilized. Also the “this old woman is following her around ewww” was a bit much. These are the only things of your analysis that I found troubling. In the end Carrie and Big deserved each other simply because they were deeply flawed and selfish people who had no shame.
@SerenaSkybourne
@SerenaSkybourne Ай бұрын
I’m not shaming her for being older, but it creeped me out because I thought someone older would want to be respectful and nice to Natasha or even like a friend, but ofc I know 25 is hardly a baby. But still, you’re still figuring out a lot when you’re 25 xx
@SerenaSkybourne
@SerenaSkybourne Ай бұрын
And yes I agree that at their age, an 11 year age gap shouldn’t be a problem at all. Tbh I think if I was 35+ I wouldn’t care about age when dating because you’re already a full adult 😆 But it definitely raised a few alarms in my mind because I wondered if Big has done this before or if he specifically goes for women who are younger or a bit more naiive
@seabreeze4559
@seabreeze4559 Ай бұрын
@@SerenaSkybourne age matters when dating or men wouldn't be desperate to date down
@idksks
@idksks 3 күн бұрын
in general young adults are way too infantalized in the west. I am a 19 going on 20yr old woman in college and some older western adults very much talk down on me. Everywhere else you’re viewed as a grown adult but Americans specifically treat 18-23yr olds like we’re 13… It’s weird. And treating a 25yr old like that is even weirder so i agree with your point
@myalizhailse9885
@myalizhailse9885 Күн бұрын
@@idksks- I think it stems from the boomer generation, since they are ones who deemed anything generation younger than them as incompetent. They’ve taught their kids to think that way and it’s migrated down the generations unfortunately. We see it now with my generation gen z and even though my gen definitely has its problems they’ve been pushed out of conversations even though half of the generation is above 18 now
@lindamath8358
@lindamath8358 Ай бұрын
Very good assessment of the characters, some of the characters shaped our growing up so negatively but we know better now
@fattunicorns
@fattunicorns Ай бұрын
When you talk about her being addicted to Limerence, it is such a great point because Carrie is a classic love addict. She actually meets almost all of the standards for it, and as someone who has one year sobriety in a 12 step program for the very same thing I have slowly stopped Feeling so kin to her because I’ve healed that part of me! If you relate to Carrie, please look up S.L.A.A you’re not alone!
@thunder.ceases
@thunder.ceases Ай бұрын
Isn’t it crazy how unrelatable it all seems after the healing happens??
@fattunicorns
@fattunicorns Ай бұрын
@@thunder.ceases the show itself is still Bible because it’s what led me to the realization I needed help and it showcases situations that every woman will experience in dating. There is an episode for every single situation and it is truly the Bible.
@seabreeze4559
@seabreeze4559 Ай бұрын
what is SLAA?
@fattunicorns
@fattunicorns Ай бұрын
@ sex and love addicts anonymous!
@lunarmarias
@lunarmarias Ай бұрын
This is amazing, congratulations on one year sobriety! I am about to start SLAA and I’ve been recovering through CoDA, too. I’m with you it feels incredible to no longer relate to Carrie 🥳
@notlilyspears
@notlilyspears 13 күн бұрын
Carrie was an antihero before the era of the antihero. Natasha's character was so well formulated she was able to have a very involved story arch with very few actual scenes in the show.
@motaku220
@motaku220 Ай бұрын
It was mostly because she was the dream woman, big dated a actress who was the same as Carrie but aligned with the things he wanted cecelia Regina goes into this
@judywright4241
@judywright4241 Ай бұрын
I thought the movie star was the female version of Big himself.
@toxyvella
@toxyvella Ай бұрын
This is one of those bittersweet shows that I loved watching when it aired, but just can't bring myself to rewatch it now. It's like a relationship you had that was wonderful until it wasn't, and so you sort of keep those magical memories isolated in your mind and just hope they're doing well, but that you can never go back.
@paendeox2339
@paendeox2339 Ай бұрын
I’m rewatching the show and I’m so hyped to hear your thoughts!!! The older I get the more I see how much Carrie sucks.
@Lovelyliv007
@Lovelyliv007 23 күн бұрын
You made amazing points, I always feel the storylines seem so wild in shows but people act like this everyday irl. I never got into the show but I’ve learned everything from recaps and opinion videos. It really shows how society has changed over time and how we’re critical of previously glorified actions.
@krystalccameron7689
@krystalccameron7689 Ай бұрын
Great points!! I agree! Except one thing: the show wasn’t male centered. It was trying to me a compelling dramady and it did a good job representing a range of perspectives. It’s like you said, Charlotte was the opposite of Carrie and called out her selfishness. Miranda called her out for being pathetic and needy with Big as well, and Miranda was anything but male centered. No one will find a show full of perfect people believable because that’s totally opposite from what we experience in our everyday lives.
@UnfazedPhoenix
@UnfazedPhoenix 13 күн бұрын
People treat you the way you allow them to. If you don't respect yourself, no one else will. Awesome video.
@melanieolmsted6740
@melanieolmsted6740 Ай бұрын
Look what happened to Natasha. Big never cared about either about them.
@SerenaSkybourne
@SerenaSkybourne Ай бұрын
Do you guys think I’m too harsh on Carrie, or do you agree?
@angelaholmes8888
@angelaholmes8888 Ай бұрын
Nope you weren't I totally agree about carrie
@dramonmaster222
@dramonmaster222 Ай бұрын
You can never be too harsh on Carrie.
@jamiejamison6795
@jamiejamison6795 Ай бұрын
Always thought Carrie was an awful character and my opinion hasn't changed.
@clown-cult96
@clown-cult96 Ай бұрын
Fortunately, Carrie isn’t real so I think you can be as harsh as you like 😌
@LAWoman323213
@LAWoman323213 Ай бұрын
No, not at all. Carrie is the ultimate “pick me” narcissist! She should be vilified. I’ve always liked Natasha. So I’m glad people are finally onboard and Team Natasha. I hated how in And Just Like That, Natasha told Carrie “I don’t know why John married me. He was always in love with you.” Ummm, NO, that is NOT true!
@ladiipeaches
@ladiipeaches 14 күн бұрын
Girl u ate this!!! U’re absolutely right!!!
@nathansmith8492
@nathansmith8492 Ай бұрын
Serena, you are so mother. I really appreciate how well produced your videos are and how much research you put into them. You’re very well spoken and a prime example of what a great commentary KZbinr can be 😘
@SerenaSkybourne
@SerenaSkybourne Ай бұрын
Ahhhh you’re too sweet thankyou 🥰
@lovefromwonderland
@lovefromwonderland Ай бұрын
Natasha was the ideal woman to both Big and Carrie. Big saw himself with a woman like her, as that fit his reputation and image better. The only reason he kept bothering Carrie when he was already married is because he obviously missed Carrie fawning and freaking out over him. And Carrie wanted to be Natasha. Not just cause she was Big’s wife, but because she was the perfect woman. Big knows that Carrie is emotionally hung up on him and has trouble moving on. I really thought the affair storyline would be the last of them but nope 🥲
@bellam7546
@bellam7546 Ай бұрын
She only wanted to be Natasha because that`s who Big wanted to be with and if you`re a woman obsessed with a toxic man you would envy that woman. I have been there myself. But one thing I would say is that the women my ex was with are no better than me and I do not wish to be them. I accepted who I am and found a man who thinks I`m one in a million. My ex is a narcissist and I feel a great deal of empathy for the women he chose over me cause they didn`t get a good man and suffered for it.
@the_only_living_ghost
@the_only_living_ghost Ай бұрын
Carrie was the person Big actually had a real relationship and connection to where he could be himself. Natasha was the fantasy of what he thought he wanted or should have and how he wanted people to perceive him. He couldn’t let go of his very materialistic and selfish view of himself in the world and he wanted somebody that, he really didn’t have to put much effort into. He could marry Natasha because he knew he wouldn’t actually have to do any inner work to change for her. he essentially was just paying her to be his wife, not a true partner. With Carrie, he would have to admit to himself, and everyone else in his life that he was ready to change and be a different person, one who wasn’t consumed with material crap someone that wanted a true partner and a real relationship the kind that inspires change. He was afraid of Carrie because she could be his equal and he didn’t want her to equal him. He wanted to have the upper hand. That’s why Natasha got the ring
@eglantinepapeau1582
@eglantinepapeau1582 8 күн бұрын
the reason this new show ( and just like that) isn't working is because Carrie is still portrayed as the hero, the good guy instead of being called out by her former readers for all the bad relationship advices she's given them ! Realistically this is what would happen , and it would make the show a bit more believable and less uncanny .
@jneilson7568
@jneilson7568 5 күн бұрын
From what i can tell from reviews, they barely debate anything now, whereas smart discussion of morals and viewpoints was the real backbone of what made SATC so much fun.
@eglantinepapeau1582
@eglantinepapeau1582 5 күн бұрын
@@jneilson7568 exactly , well worded . The show should have been about the shifting morals of the world around our main characters
@no-one00
@no-one00 Ай бұрын
Finally seeing actual analysis about Natasha
@MegaMegafran
@MegaMegafran 26 күн бұрын
I stumbled on a video of Big on tiktok a while back where it dissected his backstory based of the snippets shown in the show and it turned out that when Big divorced his 1st wife bc of cheating (shocker right?😏) the ex managed to boot him out of the elite social circle he was in, which makes sense since women mostly control what goes on in the social scene specially if she's another blue blood with more connections and respectability to back her up(think of how in any divorce friends always take sides and whose side has more weight the victim or the cheater?), thats why in the 1st season when he invites Carrie to meet his "friend" the guy was a sleezeball instead of another respectable high profile guy, that was the only friend he kept in that mess. After Big got kicked out of society and as a social pariah he couldnt get back in unless he was "allowed in" by someone who is already accepted and since all the women in that circle likely backed up his ex non of them would touch him and risk ending up just like the ex did so thats where Natasha comes in, he had to go all the way to Europe✈️ to find someone "high class & accomplished enough" that would validate his worth in the eyes of society, so he pulled all his strings to get HER approved so that HE could get back in, something Carrie could NEVER dream to pull off. Carrie was in his eyes as trashy as it could get, expensive trash that is but still trash🤷🏽‍♀️. She didnt know how to dress, how to behave, or how to talk in a way that didnt come off as crude even her job would be seen as vulgar in a social scene where everything about you is dissected by ppl who come from generational wealth and have received the education and etiquette according to their standing. Natasha was in the end to him only as valuable as she made him to others, guys like him see the women they're with as a trophies to parade to others as if her accomplishments are his own🙄thats why Carrie never meant much to him she reflected back to him his cheap and sleezy personality and nobody likes looking in a mirror to see their flaws stare back at them all the time. By the end I think the only reason he married her is bc he figured he was too old to keep trying, and he figured he might as well just throw in the towel and settle for Carrie since he wouldnt be able to pull a 3rd wife in high society after 2 of his marriages ended up in divorce bc of his cheating🏳🏳🏳
@BeYounique...Maryanne
@BeYounique...Maryanne Ай бұрын
Re: The million dollars he left Natasha. My take is Big never got over Natasha. Big gave Natasha a million after he died; didn't she get a big divorce settlement from him too? Why give a million so many years later? He probably tried to make the marriage work after the affair but Natasha, being smart, didn't want to have anything to do with him. And I'm sure once they parted, he still pounced on her the way he did Carrie -- probably countless phone calls, trying to see Natasha, but she's smarter and stronger than Carrie would ever dream of being. Big seems like the kind of guy who is afraid to be alone and tries to recycle old relationships, yet Carrie was the only one dumb enough to take the bait. All Big's other women moved on. Carrie tried to move on, but she never could. It was Big's death that finally put an end to it.
@seabreeze4559
@seabreeze4559 Ай бұрын
yeah he hoovered her for sure
@OzmaOfOzz
@OzmaOfOzz Ай бұрын
Girl, you look so good here 🥹 your skin and hair are perfect ❤ safe travels ✨️
@simplyrowen
@simplyrowen 23 күн бұрын
I see tons of videos saying Carrie is toxic. Where are the Big videos? Does he also get a pass from us, as men usually do in society and we are just gonna look at the "home wrecker"? For the record, I am disgusted with that term, because it only places the blame on the woman -- as usual, the man baby is victim here. He didn't choose this for himself. That evil temptress seduced him /s
@ennuiblue4295
@ennuiblue4295 19 күн бұрын
true!
@windchime9
@windchime9 16 күн бұрын
I think Big was bored of Natasha because she WASN’T toxic or chaotic. I think she was healthy, mature, and classy and Big was too toxic to live that way despite being attracted to it. I also think that’s why Carrie picks up smoking again during the affair to show how their toxicity matched because they were both with awesome healthy people but couldn’t break away from the chaos they were even more attracted to than peace. Aidan was too supportive, open, and there for Carrie, which is what she thought she wanted, but the toxicity in Big got her everytime. I think they did have something different, trauma bonding.
@loueverett7656
@loueverett7656 Ай бұрын
This commentary is so on point ! Thank you for the breakdown :)
@cindysarahnag.2906
@cindysarahnag.2906 Ай бұрын
One of the most compelling analysis of Mr Big I’ve heard !!! Bravo really and great awareness for other women out there against these types of men /archetypes 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@netapeleg7721
@netapeleg7721 Ай бұрын
That was so interesting. I really loved how you analyze the caricatures. I used to watch it 20 years ago in real time. Than nobody thought about this problems and admire carry. Me too. Now I see it rewind in my country and see how the relationship and the world changed (in the little good things)
@elvapieper8542
@elvapieper8542 3 күн бұрын
10:32 Sorry, I don’t agree. Big proposed to Carrie to go with him to St. Barth at the end of season 1, and Carrie refused. Here’s the thing I really liked about Carrie: she refused to take money or accept help from men when she felt they didn’t genuinely love her. For example, when Amalita wanted to introduce her to a circle of wealthy men who could give her whatever she wanted, she refused because it wasn’t authentic. You can hate Carrie-she has many flaws-but we have to give her credit for this.
@LMC682
@LMC682 17 күн бұрын
I’m surprised no one has made the parallels between Natasha and Charlotte because even watching the show back then, it was just soooo obvious
@dorsvenabili5573
@dorsvenabili5573 Ай бұрын
Great video as always, thanks for the upload! On an unrelated note, your eyebrows are so nice! They’re beautifully shaped and they suit your face so perfectly!
@SerenaSkybourne
@SerenaSkybourne Ай бұрын
@@dorsvenabili5573 made my day thankyou 🥰
@atelierXL99
@atelierXL99 7 күн бұрын
There's a younger generation that hasn't even heard that the show is based on a book, the book in which the columns/stories/thoughts are about author Candace Bushnell's real life. The older generation of women totally ignore this fact too, preferring to project their own personal experiences and be triggered by Carrie on behalf of women who had affairs with their husbands, or simply interpret the whole range of insinuations and theories. The reality was that Candace Bushnell's real Mr. Big married a rich girl from his circle because, she says, a man like him would never take a partner like her as his wife. In the 90's this was probably even more of an issue in these circles than it still is now. In the movie it's just that this relationship has been put on a pedestal, it's a kind of twin flame relationship, two who have to keep coming back together because the pull is just bigger. In the movie, we got our happy ending first and Big got together with Carrie. that's how it should have ended for me.
@Dolsie-tv6mh
@Dolsie-tv6mh 9 күн бұрын
Natasha was good for Big. She knew powerful people and knew how to handle a room, she was smart. Carrie never had boundaries with Big. The moment Mr. Big refused to introduce his mom to Carrie that should have been a big clue. That is why Big was growing bored with Carrie when they finally got married and moved to penthouse.
@sabrinafrederick4141
@sabrinafrederick4141 18 күн бұрын
As a 52 year old woman, I can fondly look back at the show! I loved all the ladies. As I get older, I realize that it’s not about fitting into a mold, it’s about becoming your true, authentic self. We are all different. And we also have different times in our lives which makes us grow and change! All the women on that show represent all of us in many different ways! I love going back and rewatching the original show, it makes me feel young and exciting again. The show was brilliantly written!
@marionkemperman6856
@marionkemperman6856 9 күн бұрын
Love it how at the time the show first ran everybody loved Carry and looked down on Natascha and Samantha for being her unapologetic self as well. How the tables have turned!
@Birzamancuk
@Birzamancuk 27 күн бұрын
You keep saying he was "in love" with Natasha or "in love" with Carrie but i don't think he's ever been in love with any of these women. When he married Natasha it was only convenient for him because he needed a "good" wife and a woman who is worthy of him and his status, and when he married Carrie it was only because no other woman would fall for his words again and he knew Carrie would take him back in a heartbeat. So there was no actual real love from him to any of them because he is not capable of loving anyone and maybe not even himslef.
@justinejustice_league1857
@justinejustice_league1857 8 күн бұрын
I love how people are saying that the hate train against Carrie is new. I watched Sex in the City when I was a teenager and rewatching it as an adult, obviously your views are going to change. However, I never warmed to Carrie. Even as a teenager I noticed how poorly handled her friends and how she would lash out at them when they tried to warn her.
@pochernyai
@pochernyai 2 күн бұрын
I agree with 98% of your points, the video is great. I only disagree about the kid part. in classic old hollywood movies calling woman you love "kid" was actually pretty normal. remember "here's to looking at you kid" from Casablanca? since Big was older, he used some "old-timey" expressions and movie references. it wasn't a reference to Carrie being childish, I believe, but rather a way to show affection
@SerenaSkybourne
@SerenaSkybourne 2 күн бұрын
i forgot about casablance omg thankyou for telling me!!
@SerenaSkybourne
@SerenaSkybourne 2 күн бұрын
thats sweet
@AlixFiori
@AlixFiori Ай бұрын
This is the first video I see from your chanel. Im hooked! New sub here
@LAWoman323213
@LAWoman323213 Ай бұрын
Carrie is a complete narcissist! The show should have explored Carrie’s mental illness issues.
@bellam7546
@bellam7546 Ай бұрын
No, Carrie was a toxic codependent dealing with a narcissist.
@pepperprovasnik
@pepperprovasnik 6 күн бұрын
Some of these older guys want to raise these younger women
@DBat-sp1tp
@DBat-sp1tp Ай бұрын
If I’m not mistaken the actress who played Natasha was with Tom Brady and then had a baby he went on to leave her for Giselle. But I agree the character was treated poorly as if she stole Big from Carrie. I watched the show from when it first came out and was kinda rooting for Carrie and Big to come together until the Natasha thing and definitely lost all respect with how she treated Aiden.
@jax001993
@jax001993 Ай бұрын
I cant wait for your next video. I hope you do vids on the other ladies as well (curious about your opinion on Smith/Samantha). When I first started watching the serious I didnt expect to like Miranda or Charlotte but I def liked them more than Carrie.
@amandamadaci7797
@amandamadaci7797 Ай бұрын
You look especially gorgeous in this video 🥰
@SerenaSkybourne
@SerenaSkybourne Ай бұрын
Thankyouu I was so ill so that’s so sweet! 🥰
@abbyabroad
@abbyabroad Ай бұрын
@@SerenaSkybourneHave you ever done seasonal analysis? I know you were sick, but the shimmery lipstick, updo and colors all made you look dewy and vibrant! (Point being, whatever season goes well with peaches and pastels, you might be it!)
@SerenaSkybourne
@SerenaSkybourne Ай бұрын
@@abbyabroadfrom what I know, I’m a light spring ☺️
@abbyabroad
@abbyabroad Ай бұрын
@@SerenaSkybournemakes sense!
@attabanana4709
@attabanana4709 Ай бұрын
Carrie is now 60, obsessing over someone from 25 years ago, way worse!
@ceci1017
@ceci1017 Ай бұрын
The fact that Carrie is like what 10 years older than Natasha is another layer of embarrassing💀 especially when Natasha found Carrie in her apartment. Carrie should’ve had the balls to stop and face her there
@Theworldiscrewedup
@Theworldiscrewedup 19 күн бұрын
Make the same analysis for the Soprano's women please !I like your critical analysis because they are educational! Excellent work!
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