trouble shoot a freezer condensing unit Allied Refrigeration 440-823-5720 Cleveland, Ohio
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@jeffhall29584 жыл бұрын
Jim, you and I apparently do things in reverse directions. I always go to the source, until I get to the problem. I check for power first, no power, correct that first, if yes?, Then, is the condensing unit running. No, then I check for what causes the condensing unit to run, at the source. Is the contactor, pulled in? No. Check the source. Does it have power? No, then it is a control problem, if yes, then it is the contactor. If the contactor is pulled in, does the compressor have all phases of power, check the compressor windings, check the starting components. There is a different lesson in compressor diagnosis, you all ready know those procedures I believe, but that could take a week to explain fully. If no power at the contactor coil then it is one of three problems; the low pressure control, the high pressure control, or the time clock. Start at the common side of the contactor, hold one lead there, then "hop-scotch all the way with the other lead back to the time clock. When you find voltage, there is your problem. If there is a problem at the low pressure control, then, you can put on your gauges and check the system for proper pressures. In that case, it is no longer an electrical problem, but a refrigeration problem, which I know you can understand and diagnose well and quickly. 80% of refrigeration problems are electrical, not refrigeration. I was taught this method in the early 1980's, and I can still diagnose a system in normally under 15 minutes. Hopefully you may as well in the future. I don't randomly check systems, I use a tried and true method.
@Pyridox9 жыл бұрын
Good work Jim, another happy customer. I miss working with this stuff, I was a Plant Mechanic for 15 years before changing jobs. And you are correct about the terminal connections, and when I replace them I use a known brand like Sta-Kon the cheapo ones don't hold up as well.
@JamesPettinato9 жыл бұрын
+Pete Ciallella thanks
@dougdoug21658 жыл бұрын
This is so much like the job in the musty basement of the Greek Restaurant. I heard you say "I think I changed this a few years ago....." The voltages you are mentioning are indicative of another underwired situation like the Greek place. And eating contactors as well. Once again I would suggest you check with a good Fluke meter for min voltage capture at the moment of compressor start up..I think the results of that test will suprise you based on the 195 volts you are readying under no load..Thanks again for the great work you are doing! I am an avid fan and really appreciate the way you let us look over your shoulder and learn from the master!
@ArisBuliteanu4 жыл бұрын
, And it just shut off, and it just turned back on, something did that shutting down and starting up
@Mikton25096 жыл бұрын
Hey Jim, Just wanted to say thank you. Several years ago I stumbled on your videos, they motivated me to push my career further than i thought possible. I am where I am today thanks to your videos. Miss seeing new videos. Hope you are doing well. Mike
@wdennis88 жыл бұрын
Great video. I'm a store owner, not a tech but I have my epa certification to handle refrigerants. 90% of all my equipment is refrigerated. So you videos have helped me diagnose small problems and save me on service calls.
@theblackenedvoid35399 жыл бұрын
great work Jim. been watching your videos for a month or so. I have learned alot from your videos. it is nice to see a few veteran techs that are willing to share their knowledge. I'm a young guy with only a year in the field so i need as much helpful knowledge as i can get. I do light commercial refrigeration and A/c as well in the Dallas fort worth metro plex in Texas. so our summers here are pretty crazy.
@JamesPettinato9 жыл бұрын
+Richard Gipson this summer has been a mild one, thanks
@bijoytudu1657 жыл бұрын
Richard Gipson sir can u explain me of water cooler gas charge process
@ArisBuliteanu Жыл бұрын
@@JamesPettinato 1:22 is there an air conditioner running in the background? Also, the fan speed is kind of confusing for that air conditioner on the condenser!
@tectalabyss9 жыл бұрын
Hi Jim. Outstanding work Jim. I love to watch a veteran tech do their job. and do it correctly. I was in maintenance for a long time. Thank you for sharing and showing the correct way to do things.
@stevenking29809 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bobby for letting me know about your friend here. Nice video!
@tectalabyss9 жыл бұрын
Steven King Hi Steven. I really enjoy his videos. He did some really cool wood working videos as well check them out.I respect any man doing a job well. I hope you and yours are well buddy. All the best. Bobby
@JamesPettinato9 жыл бұрын
+Bobby Tectalabyss thanks
@reza493634 жыл бұрын
Hey Jim, I like to know how you are doing, and are you going to make new videos??? Thank you for your hard work and your videos, 👍👋🙏🙏
@drifter4367 жыл бұрын
You sir are a wealth of knowledge. Thanks so much for passing it on to us.
@r.mccullough61978 жыл бұрын
Love your videos Jim, very precise and in full detail, you would make a hell of a teacher, good work man
@MR-nl8xr8 жыл бұрын
he is "a hell of a teacher" by putting up this video.
@janetsterno6 жыл бұрын
Jim, you always explain things very well! Thanks!
@emmanuelmartinez83649 жыл бұрын
I hope to become a great tech like yourself Jim, thanks for your in-depth videos and awesome work.
@hvac014538 жыл бұрын
problem is you did't purge your gauges when you connected them up. I was rather surprised you skipped that.
@allhoursmaintenance30229 жыл бұрын
I find it amazing that a cleaning can drop head pressure that much, did not look dirty. Good job.
@JamesPettinato9 жыл бұрын
+All Hours Maintenance the rain washes most of the dust off the surface, but the dust accumulates inside the fins, thanks
@joeperez46518 жыл бұрын
18:42 lol "I always squeeze the back end, so that when I stick it in it gets tight".
@abujamie37635 жыл бұрын
Jim I think you’re my brother from another mother. I lay down like you do. I have the same knee pad, etc. It was like I was watching myself on a call. The reason why I’m commenting is because you made me feel like I’m not alone in my approach to systems. I always feel like someone else is doing it better but your diagnostics and follow through was great. Great job.
@rnbartley8 жыл бұрын
My son says that you give him good ideals, everything is well explained.
@mrlevelle8 жыл бұрын
Love that you don't edit your videos just play the video great job jim
@jhonnysinder4414 жыл бұрын
i always love to watched ur videos sr a big salute to you,you are remarkable a true legend ...
@bradleymorey9 жыл бұрын
another great video and job well done,Thanks Jim
@JamesPettinato9 жыл бұрын
+bradley morey thanks
@k22bngpny4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another hands on video Jim.
@reload52169 жыл бұрын
Great video..had to replace same 3 pole contactor on a single phase 208/230 volt condensing unit...one wire at a time .
@bottlemods39897 жыл бұрын
Great video! "Heat Bug". Never heard a locust called that before. The name makes sense to me.
@thekiller009878 жыл бұрын
I'm a student who's got like 3 weeks left to my hvac course and I love watching your videos ! great knowledge and sometimes even gives me a little advantage over my class mates !! Haha... Also Mr Pettinato if you take your Rated Load Amps (RLA ) and multiply it by 1.4 for Copeland or 1.5 for any other compressor it will give you your Full Load Amps (FLA or MCC )
@hassanaljazaeri54364 жыл бұрын
Thanks great work finding the issue in just short time.
@paulmoffat93066 жыл бұрын
The low voltage can be a concern, as the lower the voltage, the greater the amp draw, thus causing breaker trips. The compressor is a 230V unit, and NEC calls for +/-10% so, the minimum volts would be 230-23= 207volts. Operating at low volts will also wear out the contactor due to arcing and pitting. NEC 430.52 sets the max breaker size= 8.5x1.15(service factor)x2.50 = 24A (20 amp breaker OK) and the wire gauge is set by the breaker (20 A) as 12ga Copper.
@aircooledtx7 жыл бұрын
Cute cap, good job on contactor/quick charge adjustment, Co/2 blow condesers
@MILO201216 жыл бұрын
I just want to thx all the tech's that make these n other videos to learn from.......please don't stop I'm in the field myself brand new n want n need any tips u guys have to offer n watch thxs again
@Eddy637 жыл бұрын
Hey Jim , where are you ? We need some more video's ... hope all is well ... thanks ...
@pauleblacas8 жыл бұрын
Great Job !!! Keep them videos coming sure enjoy them, My new job keeps me away from refrigeration and haven't done any in about a year Hope I be doing some soon...
@cmhvacr10108 жыл бұрын
great videos man i always pick up somthing from ur videos , you are a very wise man
@irvineshambarume15484 жыл бұрын
Jim can l have more videos,you are a great tech,hope to become like yu one day
@jth16994 жыл бұрын
As your volts go down your amps will go up - so I'm gonna put the high amps on low voltage... another thing I have done in a pinch - when you find a bad contractor with three poles and one is bad - I have just moved the wires over to the unused contact ... gets the customer up till u can get back with the new contractor if you dont have one.
@jonathansmith30199 жыл бұрын
Great video Jim. Thanks for posting.
@JamesPettinato9 жыл бұрын
+Jonathan Smith thanks
@twizer698 жыл бұрын
you explain very well thanks again jim!
@josemartinreyes54638 жыл бұрын
you changed the compressor but the units put in backwards?
@JamesPettinato8 жыл бұрын
I know, some heating & AC company installed it like an air conditioning unit, it's a pain. Eventually I'll get them to agree to correct this.
@heavydiesel9 жыл бұрын
Nice work Jim as always! I do the same thing with the labels of off parts boxes, lets me know what to put on the work sheet and what stock i need to get.
@JamesPettinato9 жыл бұрын
+heavydiesel don't you hate it when you're at a supply house and you know there is something you need and can't think of it , then you remember it when you 're in bed at night. thanks
@heavydiesel9 жыл бұрын
***** Yeah, i go to the wholesalers to get something, buy loads of things, and forget the part i actually needed!
@thegreatjellydoughnu9 жыл бұрын
very good video Jim good to see you fix the problem and do required maintenance too. The aluminum just another way for manufactures to save on every unit. Have you every thought to use the anti -oxidant compounds on aluminum conductors to increase there longevity?
@JamesPettinato9 жыл бұрын
+The Great Jelly Doughnut sounds interesting
@dwight.bennett9 жыл бұрын
I went back at looked @20:15, I'm not sure that it is aluminum, but rather copper that has a tinning on the strands, which is more popular in electronics mfg.
@jasoncole38337 жыл бұрын
Hi Jim just a question when you replace compressors do you always change the contractor and overload ? as a rule this is something I do. Cheers
@MariosACandRefrigeration2 жыл бұрын
a fuse in the control cirquit would be nice.
@super8083799 жыл бұрын
great video as usual, thanks Jim
@mainj547 жыл бұрын
The model plate shows 208-230 3 phase yet there is a single phase compressor in system . I have never seen that unless a 3 phase compressor was not in stock as a replacement ??
@arniegrote3199 жыл бұрын
Nice job Jim, Should run for a long time.
@JamesPettinato9 жыл бұрын
+Arnie Grote thanks, the contactor was made in china
@MaheshPatel-nk9fg9 жыл бұрын
Jim, should one report low line voltage at customer line to the power company so they can check if there is a problem in their supply line transformer ?
@johnbivona82729 жыл бұрын
why don't you check sub cooling on the discharge line? You have 92 degrees ambient and 94 saturation. Not much room for heat rejection.
@ryandong72719 жыл бұрын
Master Jim, i am very proud to be your student, i had watched all your videos, can you do a electric wiring video on walk-in cooler or freezer when you have time?
@JamesPettinato9 жыл бұрын
+Ryan Dong sure
@IFIXCASTLES8 жыл бұрын
Nice! The quality of the parts we now get is terrible! I have replaced a lot of those contactors.
@darrelludelhoven65037 жыл бұрын
Very instructive for those learning...
@kenlafountain2698 жыл бұрын
you do great work step by step
@jeramyreiderer45328 жыл бұрын
isnt the capacitor used for start up as well?
@mundrubjet8 жыл бұрын
This one appears to have a run capacitor and a start capacitor. He said what he said carefully. He said the run capacitor helps the compressor run continuously, so he is right about that. I would say 30mF would be good for a run cap, start caps usually have weird values like 128-145mF and very ofthen are that round, brown bake-a-lite colored plastic, and will have a bleed down resistor across the terminals that you will have to cut in order to test it with your meter. Sometimes they are staked on though, so you can isolate the resistor without cutting it. Ol Sarge...
@AnilKumar-ew3sn8 жыл бұрын
Great Video Jim.Thank You. I have a question and i know you have the answer. On my walkin Freezer temperature is set on -5 F but overnight temperature goes to -25 to -35 F. Any ideas?
@JamesPettinato8 жыл бұрын
+Anil Kumar the temperature control is sticking on, or the solonoid valve isn't shutting off completely
@AnilKumar-ew3sn8 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jim.
@charlesmiller50788 жыл бұрын
If you ever get bit with high power , please dont upload, I would probably jump out of my chair, and hurt myself. I dont do this kind of work, but its nice to see what yall go through everyday. Interesting
@johnoshana61487 жыл бұрын
Jim? great work out, Q? why your contactor is upside down? Anyway u r awesome......meanwhile teaching lots of HVAC rookies
@jodymcmillian14169 жыл бұрын
Very good teaching video
@JamesPettinato9 жыл бұрын
+Jody Mc Millian thanks
@jimdefilippis96305 жыл бұрын
like your videos. I have a question on the run load amps. it seems kind of high, seen nameplate of 7.5 amps. wander if a crankcase pressure regulator would lower the amp draw on the hot pull down. seems like if the condenser get badly blocked the amp draw is going to be well over the 7.5 nameplate. would that be hard on compressor running at the high amperage and possibly causing acids to form. Thanks for your videos, very educational
@harrydickson45759 жыл бұрын
Another great job Jim
@JamesPettinato9 жыл бұрын
+Harry Dickson thanks
@frankcloskey77893 жыл бұрын
Excellent Work you are the best there is . 7/10/2021
@garcia39538 жыл бұрын
Jim, You used a three phase contactor right? Could you have used a single phase contactor instead? What I observed is that you only used L1, L2 and t1, t2.
@JamesPettinato8 жыл бұрын
+Al Garcia it's just easier to carry a 3 pole contactor in my stock, it will fit either a three phase or a single phase unit.
@NorCal-refrigeration9 жыл бұрын
Great job Jim.
@JamesPettinato9 жыл бұрын
+rasta1kikker thanks
@RobHVAC9 жыл бұрын
Looking good in the hairnet.
@heavydiesel9 жыл бұрын
+Rob HVAC I do a few places where i have to wear hair net, white boots and white coat, i got my own white coat so it don't matter if i get dirt on it.
@RobHVAC9 жыл бұрын
heavydiesel funny because I have had to as well when I have worked in food or pharmaceutical plants.
@jmrhvac45429 жыл бұрын
good video Jim nice look at the end lol.
@JamesPettinato9 жыл бұрын
+james rook my granny look, thanks
@hondagoal8 жыл бұрын
Great Video. Thx. for the upload.
@shailesh05956 жыл бұрын
Nice Work Jim. I don't know you can answer this or not, But My walkin Freezer goes down to -30 degree, What could be the problem? If you close by, I love call you to work on this.
@sivmeng19 жыл бұрын
by the way how much do you charge for a job like that?
@TheJoncatlin8 жыл бұрын
I love your videos Jim. I would like to know what the purpose is for the FDDT switch in these walk in freezers. I understand the defrost termination part of it, but would like your input about the fan delay, which you call a "clixon", Not sure... In Texas we call it a Fan delay/defrost termination switch. Why delay the fans? Is it to help remove as many BTU's right off the bat, or is there another reason?
@jasoncole38337 жыл бұрын
Jonny Cat You delay the fans until the coil temp has dropped after defrost so you don't blow hot air over the product you blow cold air if that makes sense.
@joee78506 жыл бұрын
Plus one doesn't want water spraying all over. It'll ice up the fan guards and grow ice on the ceiling,
@TheVartaz5 жыл бұрын
Why always fill on refrigerant without fixing the root cause? (LEAK) We arent allowed to do this in EU If low on gas, something has to be done about it asap. (both because of the law, and price on refigerant, ie R404a cost now 300USD per KG with tax.) i will if hard to find or out of time fill the system with spectroline when charging, then next time i come i can fix the leak.
@TruthSeekers3698 жыл бұрын
Somebody replaced those fans with 875rpm instead of 1075rpm they originally came with. Put the right ones on and it'll run better.
@hardcooling9 жыл бұрын
Nice clean job Jim and hairnet lol
@JamesPettinato9 жыл бұрын
+hardcooling that's my granny look
@mrcrux2137 жыл бұрын
Jim nice multimeter.
@joee78506 жыл бұрын
Was that aluminium wire for T1,T2? Going to compressor? Not good.
@AR3408 жыл бұрын
thanks partner good job !!!!!!!!!
@chillrefrigerationheatinga80848 жыл бұрын
Good video Jim.
@kanjarcake81377 жыл бұрын
I like your work sir
@nicholasceea41099 жыл бұрын
Nice job and video Jim
@bijoytudu1657 жыл бұрын
sir Jim do you explain of a water cooler back pressure and digital ampere meter show
@steveo76248 жыл бұрын
very nice jim
@joee78506 жыл бұрын
Probably the most important example you show is the use of the knee pad. Young bucks be warned, your knees are going to take some abuse.
@saltrue15557 жыл бұрын
Jim what is the boiling pint of the 404 in the particular freezer
@eagletek19 жыл бұрын
You the man!!!
@JamesPettinato9 жыл бұрын
+Eagle Mech Services Hvac/Refrigeration thanks
@amirraza92186 жыл бұрын
Sir I like your video ,sir I have little confusion I worked in walk in fridge .I maintain cold room temperature 4to6 Celsius I checked suction pressure 30 psig that time cold room temperature was 5 Celsius .is it OK .this system use refrigent R22
@jasonjang96424 жыл бұрын
Can I convert pizza table ref 404A to a freezer? Jason
@tuve19738 жыл бұрын
very good job
@jeffleonard87889 жыл бұрын
when im doing the work....L stand for line. and T stands for To the unit. HA! i know this isnt right but it keeps my head right. ive actually wondered for a long time what T was for. and im sure its some big ole electrical word like transductance or something that i wouldnt understand anyway. .....To the unit.......
@jeffleonard87889 жыл бұрын
+jeff leonard and holy moly......when that magnet attached itself to the compressor i jumped. LOL that thing got some power!
@JamesPettinato9 жыл бұрын
+jeff leonard yeah, that magnet got chops, thanks
@stuartjomes72897 жыл бұрын
Great job
@scottriddle54686 жыл бұрын
What type refrigerant was the system
@pendejo98439 жыл бұрын
Jim. You sure are a professional. Love to see you work. Keep on keeping on jim.
@JamesPettinato9 жыл бұрын
+Abel Jiminian thanks
@supermoto34538 жыл бұрын
40 psi suction is way high for a 404 freezer you only want about 15psi
@JamesPettinato8 жыл бұрын
+Brad Van the box was warm, as the temp drops in a few hours the suction pressure will drop
@primecool92897 жыл бұрын
at the beginning of the cycle sometimes pressure can be 60 psi .. some freezers don't have solenoids or pressure regulators after defrost will electrical heaters wow sometimes 80 90 psi is common but when the coil freezes.. box temp is low you could work at 10-15 psi
@phil955i7 жыл бұрын
I once had a walk in freezer on my patch that had a suction of 90 psi on 404a, don't ask me how it worked but it did ..very well
@midwaystopnshop69853 жыл бұрын
i just recently had a compressor installed by a company but i have noticed both fans are not running together one side runs only . Did he fix it right upon asking he said the other one has limit switch it runs as needed but prior i remember they both used to runs simultaneously. I need to ask you if thats right what he said?
@patricioaguayo90888 жыл бұрын
very cool guy
@TheWizechatmgr9 жыл бұрын
Is it illegal to lock them in the closed/on position? Just wondering - totally unsure...
@1178hannah8 жыл бұрын
+TheWizechatmgr It is not illegal to lock a service disconnect. As long as the unit has another means of disconnect.
@TheWizechatmgr8 жыл бұрын
+Hannah Bergbauer good to know :)
@louisg45678 жыл бұрын
Jim i have a quest was this a walkin freezer or cooler isnt 40 psi on the lowside little too high for r404a for freezer?
@mikemalone61038 жыл бұрын
What about the leak search? Where did the gas go?
@JamesPettinato8 жыл бұрын
+Mike Malone the gas went to Freon heaven, I checked, it must be extremely small, haven't put gas in this unit for a long time, thanks
@jeramyreiderer45328 жыл бұрын
+Mike Malone freon breaks down after a certain amount of use, it lasts a long time but not forever
@hvac014538 жыл бұрын
+Jeramy Reiderer oh really? You really shouldn't say stuff like that, I'm sure the OEMs would like to know about this new discovery. Thats a new one.... What does it break down into? Do you tell customers it wears out? LOL.........
@superoxidedismutor8 жыл бұрын
no it doesn't, better say the truth to the client: you're unable to find the leak, saying stuff like freon breaks down will always get you busted eventually
@hvac014538 жыл бұрын
I agree, sometimes you can't find the leak. When this happens, its cheaper just to gas & go, rather than spend two more hours in labor and getting the same result. Now the the high price of 22, that labor has started to become a bit more questionable. Our cost is at $24/# our cost, in bulk. I had one unit that I cut off the line set and pressure tested with Nitrogen over the weekend, this proved to me the air handler and lineset were good, and the problem was in the condensing uni.t Then I could concentrate my efforts there. Yes, the worn out gas, Ive had customers give me that crap. I don't know where they hear that from. It must be their car experiences...LOL
@dwight.bennett9 жыл бұрын
Do I dare ask what is in the school lunches these days?
@JamesPettinato9 жыл бұрын
+Dwight Bennett it looked awful, there were square plastic containers with two meatballs , it looked unappetizing. my Grandma would have gotten upset.
@erikcable17559 жыл бұрын
Good Show
@izaarcondicionado9 жыл бұрын
Good work.
@JamesPettinato9 жыл бұрын
+RBT HVAC thanks
@jimbola779 жыл бұрын
NICE JOB!!!
@wechselrichterschaltungen7 жыл бұрын
HALLO Jim, wann machen sie wieder mal ein kältevideo? ich sehe grad "siemens" contakter. viele grüße walter
@stanpatterson50337 жыл бұрын
Roughly translated: he says Hello Jim, he is asking if/when you will be doing any refrigeration videos again; he is commenting on seeing a "Siemens"-brand contactor (I guess Siemens is popular in Germany); and he signs off with Best Regards, Walter. My grasp of German is quite limited, so I used Google Translate to avoid screwing it up, lol.