Shadow of the Colossus - The Beta Dam with collisions

[@DestructorEFX]

It's so amazing to see that in 2018 there's still content from the Shadow of the Colossus PS2.

[@expertgaminghd5761]

I wish they added the 8 cut colossi

[@buzhichun]

Expert Gaming HD On a surface level, I agree. It would be really cool to see those colossi. On the other hand, "design by subtraction" was Fumito Ueda's central design ethos for this game. I understand there was also some development time pressure involved, but 16 colossi might be just the right amount.

[@KisnouMusic]

It makes me feel good to see this. I wish I could play a game again like I did back then. With no complaints about the graphics, just the perfect atmosphere and story. No wars, no multiplayer, no people complaining about 60 fps. Of course, time changes. But still, it was something so unique no one has been able to replicate so far. Just me and the game, like if I was being told a fable.

[@expertgaminghd5761]

@@buzhichun I know ueda didn't want those 8 cut Colossi to be in the ps4 remake of shadow of the colossus but you ha've to think a lot of fans of this game like me would love seeing these 8 cut Colossi were already made in 3d and some of them were working though some were having issues . One way to put them in the game would be as side content that is only accessible after you finish the game the first time which would not ruin anyone first experience and flow of the game

[@aiirysachiika1902]

2020 and i still watch nomad and love sotc ❤❤

[@NomadColossus]

There's more to show which I will upload in a (shorter) followup video ; )

[@goatyye]

Yes a new video :D

[@wildanvk]

I can't wait to see it!

[@marcoterranova9844]

Good old nomad. Never give up in the research of the 17th colossus

[@marcoterranova9844]

Even if it doesn't exist

[@sofiverdoia9968]

YAAAAS! KEEP GOING MASTER!

[@TheKaiserTia]

I was a lurker on that forum whilst the secret seeker community was very active. That day Pikol found the dam was magical. These videos are just as wonderful. Thank you.

[@Razgriz_3]

Imagine if somehow, the cut colossi could be released, even incomplete or broken or frustrating as hell, as a "dlc" of some sort. I would pay just to have a glimpse at the original concept of those fights: the devil, the spider, the phoenix and the earthworm above all.

[@ExoGhost]

Same. I'm angry that wasn't added.

[@bigzero7720]

keyfriend Imagine walking on the Monkey while it swings on the ceiling, tossing the Phoenix into the lake, running with the Griffin or getting chased by Sirius.

[@Scrubermensch]

Phoenix, Devil, Earthworm and Sirius, the third small colossus, oh, would be awesome!!

[@takezokimura2571]

They could be added as "dreams", similarly to Reminiscence Mode. They make the arena and if you try to leave it the dream ends. It wouldn´t break the story and there would be creativity freedom without the need to include it on the map (which is not quite possible with the current map).

[@Ghost_Simon-Riley]

never heard of beyond the forbidden lands? they are doing it right now beta colossi the first version is out

[@Lyendith]

SOTC, the only game that makes you want to explore empty places for hours, even knowing that the only thing you'll find is questions without answers…

[@KisnouMusic]

Watching your videos on a game that marked my childhood, leaves me completely mindblown. I enjoy watching them not only because your work and dedication is outstanding, but also because deep down, I feel like if time has stopped. I feel like a child again, playing this game on my very small tv, on a summer night, in silence, at home.

[@Joseph-Mamma]

comments like these make me feel old af. i was like 24 when this game came out

[@patrick22014]

These videos always make me feel like a little kid. It makes me remember why I loved video games so much and how this game always gave me a weird sensation.

[@NomadColossus]

I'm taking a poll - which chapter do you like the most?

[@guigui666999]

Chapter 4 when you explain the location of this cave and when we see the landscapes.

[@microfosfuck]

ch3

[@nobelynx8863]

Chapter 3 for sure! Do you think Agro would have been able to be in the arena with the Devil?

[@r.algamar8821]

all

[@bulfariskamufarrodah7151]

I love all the chapters, but 2, 3 & 5 are my favorites. With 2&3, we can see the devil's lair leftover stage and maybe it's just my imagination, but the distance mountain shape like a fortress/castle and I kinda hope if it's a location you can fight a scrap Colossus. The dam reminded me of ico, both in 2 and 5. The height, the feeling of distance falling, the abyss, made me wonder if the dam, if really included in the game, can made you get instant get over because how easily Wonder slide down or misteps. Overall, I'm really amazed. You always find something new and exciting from Sotc. It's as if... Wonder's journey is more than what the game provides. Can't wait for the next video

[@brianwallace2038]

The Dam looks so much cooler from this perspective, especially crossing the bridge

[@SpaceOmega-zz6vs]

The part where you walked under the bridge, and seeing those I1 mountains in the distance is strongly awesome. ; )

[@NomadColossus]

Thanks mate, appreciate the comment ; )

[@SpaceOmega-zz6vs]

You're welcome. :D

[@JalgOfficial]

Each video is a marvel, today you discover one thing and the other day you discover another much better

[@rolltic]

Love it dude! Now imagine if they'd hidden this area in the PS4 remake as a special award for 100% completion. Now that would have been incredible :)

[@Ryusennin]

It's not a "remake".

[@rolltic]

@@Ryusennin Ah i see... well then the reboot? the re-remaster? What would you call it my good sir?

[@Nonlethal106]

Ryusennin Yes it is. A Re-Master is taking a game and making upgrades to it to make it look more polished, while a remake is completely making the same game from scratch but with the current technology/graphics that are available in present day.

[@mr_mushtache5647]

@@Ryusennin ya it is

[@dirk9787]

I guess this area is not in the PS4 version, or is it?

[@senseweaver01]

You're back! Finally!

[@nobelynx8863]

This is incredible! I can imagine that cave leading to monkey, and I can almost see Devil walking around its arena! Just to imagine what could have been if those two were kept in the game! Magnificent job Nomad and Wisi!

[@NomadColossus]

Thanks! But it was all due to Wisi - all I did was record the video.

[@nobelynx8863]

@@NomadColossus well thanks for showing us! Also, I recall in your video where you were showing the Unity build of the Forbidden lands, you mentioned trying to recreate the unused colossi using a 3D animation program. Have you done this or tried? I would live to see the unused colossi come back to life!

[@JustinVargheseYT]

Just wanted to say some thoughts while I was watching this vid, excuse me if I get too deep because this vid was making me think all the things. Sorry if I sound pretentious. You and those like you find these areas and cut a hole through this veil the game designers put up to hide their left overs. But for us these are hidden worlds. Seeing you run and climb through these remnants, fields of grass and rock, there is this peaceful and ultimately hopeless feeling that washes over you. There is no life here, no trees or birds. Only the sun spilling onto the ground, useless structures, an infinite void drowning the space below you, and your only friend, the sound of wind reminding you there is nothing here, but you can look anyway. As I get complacent with the emptiness, you find this titanic dam, and its all its loftyness and structure and intention, its still hidden away. Could it have once been a colossus who sacrificed itself and embedded itself into the rock? As you speculate what could have been, the sound of wind reminds you it was just polygons and vertices the Gods were too lazy to delete. Just wanted to say thanks for making these vids

[@NomadColossus]

Oh man, what a lovely comment! Thanks so much, that really describes the feeling I get about this game and it's even more intense at these out of bounds areas. Note: I added the wind sound effects from #15's area as it's the closest colossus arena to the Dam, so from my perspective when I was recording the video, all I could hear was Wander's footfalls as he ran over the ground.

[@kennethfrancismapa8465]

Those orange brick structures look so detailed!

[@kakatte-kino4182]

12:52 This is beautiful, such an unique landscape with all these beta elements and structures in the distance. And the music you used made it even better!

[@ashleyfox4231]

This video just makes me so nostalgic. I remember when I first really got into the game years ago and finding your channel fascinating. When I first found out about the dam, and later when you worked to give the bridge some collision at was just incredible. And now, all these years later, being able to see the whole thing up close is just incredible. Thank you nomad, for all you do for the community.

[@fodase123]

You really meant it when you said the next video was something big, this is amazing

[@NomadColossus]

Thanks, I'm glad someone noticed that message!

[@fodase123]

@@NomadColossus I always come back to the channel every now and then to see if there's any new videos, if not I check the community tab

[@buffetbronco6242]

After all this time, I finally have the heart to watch this video. To at last see the fabled beta dam. The wonder is breathtaking. It is one of the few times, Buffet removed their top hat 🎩 Truly stunning, Nomad.

[@Ianayru]

theres something so incredible about the fact that after all these years people still manage to find and do new fantastic things with this game

[@Baaikha]

Seeing this makes me wish that the team on the remaster had worked this in as a finished area to explore just for fun. (I know they deleted it from the game files for the PS4 so there isn't any hope there.)

[@Bunny-zg4hd]

Exactly! Imagine if collecting all 79 steps to enlightenment created a path to the dam. No colossi, no added enemies or items. Just an unused area that you can now explore. Would be leagues above the Sword of Dormin.

[@gabrieldias8246]

Am i the only one that has already accepted that there not going to be new colossi but still loves to see the cut content and fantasise how the fights would go, how the game would be if this content was finished, and just loves to explore the game itself?

[@glowaru]

We can't get new colossi, but we can experience the existing ones in new ways. Mirrored World in the PS4 version is a good start, but on top of that you can do honor-rules like "no fur climbing" or "jump stabs only". Recently I've started mixing up all sorts of modifiers like this to create interesting challenges that give new life to the old colossus fights since you have to think about them way differently than before. I've uploaded some videos of this if you wanna see what it's like. To me at least it's the next best thing and worth trying if you want to re-experience the feeling of having to figure out how to beat the colossi.

[@GUIGUIA]

Nomad, I'm from Brazil. I just wanted to thank you from my heart for continuing the work of this masterpiece, and for keeping alive the soul of this game that marked my life. ILOVE U

[@gregzaneproduction5121]

Watching this video I recall the feeling when I first played this game and explored and discovered a new colossus

[@Scrubermensch]

I swear, sometime will be that one day, that internet and good OG hackers will provide shadow of the colossus with the beta map and 24 colossi. And it will be awesome!!

[@sofiverdoia9968]

7:43 seems like constructions in ICO. Nice! :0

[@fluffdafire157]

I hope one day we get to see a game of the original concept of shadow of the colossus whether it be a nodded game or an actual release

[@nobelynx8863]

you think the Devil came out from that little dip behind the orange brick arches at 12:56? Kind of like how Argus climbs up?

[@slashgameplays1842]

argus is a King Kong.

[@potasioamonio7902]

Definitely is impossible come a continuation of the sotc,but is not impossible make a spin-off,with another protagonist,or the same but in one alternative universe with different Colossus

[@SpardaHorrorFreak]

potasio amonio yeah, bluepoint and ico team should make a dlc with the other canceled colossi

[@slashgameplays1842]

Timeline broke.

[@potasioamonio7902]

@@slashgameplays1842 justamente por isso que falei sobre um universo alternativo,caso o spin-off não fosse possível,pois por mais que dormindo tenha sido selado de novo(oq possibilitaria sim uma continuação,a ponte quebra,num universo alternativo,eles poderiam mudar oq bem quisessem,pois por fazer parte de uma história separada,não há oq se discutir. Sem deixar de dizer que todo fã,sem excessão queria muito poder batalhar contra,o monkey,o BB,a worn,spider,entre outros,que por conta das limitações do tempo foi impossível de coloca-los no game

[@RickDaSquirrel]

Incredible! Such a shame we never got this amazing land in the game.

[@gm130s]

Love how a song from Last Guardian quietly and effectively made it in 12:39 :)

[@TomiMancini]

Nomad you the man. Ive been following your progress long enough to see how much effort you are putting into this research. Congrats. Cus you truly, truly, truly, the man.

[@eemireinikainen495]

Welcome back again man :)

[@ivantheblazingchariot2517]

The feeling of finding out a new place and colossi is still inside me when watching this. Amazing find man!

[@themriron2391]

This is breathtaking. Incredible stuff!

[@MMp993]

Que incrível !! Eu fico só imaginando como seria esse lugar se fosse pra versão final do jogo, em que lugar do mapa ficaria, etc.

[@code3696]

Exatamente meu amigo ! Fico criando batalhas na minha cabeça imaginando como seria enfrentar o Devil aí e tals

[@Joaohenrique-ox6bf]

Pó imagino q ai seria um ótimo cenário, o ambiente e tails do lugar. Seria massa infrentar o devil ai..

[@LucasD3]

Pelo que entendi, a arena fica "atrás" da arena do Avion

[@code3696]

@@LucasD3 agr faz um pouco mais de sentido, o Dam poderia ser um caminho alternativo para chegar até o avion provavelmente Claro além de ser uma área próxima da batalha do Devil

[@spr6ut492]

@@code3696 eii tem como vc visitar o lugar porem n andar por ele,veja no lar dos games

[@odysseus4871]

I know many people have a pipe dream about adding in the cut colossi, but of course that will probably never happen. However, I wonder if it would be possible to add back in this dam area at least? I don't know enough about how the inner workings of SoTC are, but if it is possible to create new collision detection, then at the very least an artificial connection to the main map area could be made. If it were possible to insert new models, then a team could feasibly come together to create new graphics to finish the area and add new collisions to make it playable. A path would need to be made to get there from the main map (#15's arena is the only area that gets somewhat close to the dam, so perhaps a path branching from there?) I don't know... this is probably just another pipe dream, but it's so exciting to think about!

[@ImmaSpam__________________Can]

With how shadow of the colossus is being handled I am 85% certain that there will be shadow of the colossus on the next play station, which is fine this is one of the few games I will buy over and over again

[@holyboy1]

The dam kind of makes the Shrine of worship seem less significant. That and the Ico brick like structures seem out of place with the SotC world. Maybe a leftover from Ico.

[@claudiomarvel]

YOU STILL ALIVE ?!?!?! YES!!! btw, if there's a SotC wallpaper about the colossi's statue, call me.

[@josimariobarros2732]

Incrível! Mds até hoje louco pra saber dos mistérios desse game digno de aplausos. Ótimo canal ♡

[@Johny-the-zzz]

Now that I think of it...these places that are "unreachable" for normal players(only play the game how it is) were actually meant to be discovered, like the island where griffin was suppose to be in, this place and more, this game has so many mysteries, so many things to explore and that is what makes this game so unique apart from every other game, it almost scares me XD in a good way, but it really is unique.

[@averageguy3661]

Ya really gotta wonder why a dam would be put there. Like to what, stop water from flowing? Why? What would the point be in doing that? There were probably plenty of other things that were meant for something in the game that were unfortunately cut due to time restrains. Personally, I think two things. 1: The dam was originally supposed to be an inter actable environment, one in which the player would enter and explore for a little, until they’d find a Colossus. Or 2: the player would have to find a way to demolish the dam in order to free a Colossus that was trapped behind it, probably meaning that the dam was built not to try and stop something, but rather keep it away from anyone.

[@tributetolost]

Ehh, nah. I think the dam was just a cool bit of gothic architecture to walk past on your way to fight something with the name "The Devil". Plus it woulda just been a neat backdrop to the fight itself. This explanation is honestly probably why it got cut though. As a layman casualscum gamer, I most vividly remember the Avion fight because it was "the gothic one". Now if you take note of the gothic architecture of the dam, the gothic nature of the cut colossi that lived next to it, the proximity of this area to Avion's arena, and the fact that his arena was inexplicably flooded... well then I think you can start cobbling together an idea of what they were going for here. I recall from one of Nomad's other videos that this whole area doesn't really line up well with the map grid, & I imagine it's when the developers got stuck trying to fit this arena into the confines of a grid block* that Ueda came in, smacked some heads, and told them not to get carried away, because it was 1. causing a lag in development and 2. ultimately would have diminished the impact of the Avion fight *this area was probably actually made very early on in development and, like the other cut arenas, was probably shoved off to the side of the map while the rest of the world took shape. IIRC Nomad found 3 weird branching paths beyond the Avion arena. I suspect they were trying to clumsily create a route from Avion to Monkey, The Devil, and ??? before the entire development team experienced a collective headache and just scrapped the whole concept. I bet they also had a hard time trying to come up with a good explanation for The Devil living outside the Dam, when a super structure like that would really only be built in order to contain shit inside the valley.

[@NomadColossus]

One must wonder if the Dam was actually created when the devs developed ICO? It has the same architecture as the 'Gondola' level in ICO... so maybe the Dam was a leftover model from ICO that they put into SotC as a placeholder? Just an idea.

[@spacekees102]

I hope the devs will make a game like this again loved the remake but its still their best work and open world for that time is amazing

[@r.algamar8821]

the reason i didnt dump away ps2 instead modded it. Please dont leave this masterpiece so i can tell my kid once he could play with controller

[@ivautomata]

Hey nomad do you think its possible to remake the other colossus that isnt on the game? I know this seems impossible but you guys are making this dream looks so true. I never imagine seeing this on the past and now still peoples working so hard to find everything. I'm glad i could be alive to see such a amazing treasure.

[@isabellegrimes8775]

It seems to me that the Dam would have been a performance nightmare. Judging by the darkened area on the dam, water would come down (and we all know the 25 FPS that game managed on a *good* day), so it's not terribly difficult to see why it would have been cut. That, and the additional performance drop of having a colossus there as well as the very open nature of the section itself.

[@hisroyalbonkess]

Great video!

[@red-em7yc]

Let us all hope that when sotc is released again for the ps5 that the developers look at videos like this and bring back some of the cut content such as the colossi and dam

[@andresmolina2588]

Puede que entiendas o talvez no, pero me gustan mucho tus videos cada vez que subes uno, descubres algo nuevo de este gran juego , como desearia que saliera un shadow of the colossus 2, saludos ✌🏾 sube videos mas seguido 🙏🏾

[@metagrinder]

Very nice video bro im happy to see u are still working in this game

[@amassasa]

So fucking cool man! I would pay for a book where Ueda tells us about all the cut content, and plans for the game, that didn't got in.

[@ZataMachi]

Wow! Yet another interesting video, and a step further on the path to recreate and experience what could have been. It's great to see you keep exploring SotC! Also, very good job to Wisi, if he sees this. You two are a great team.

[@XicorVT]

i rember ur old videos and u still on it this is epic good hunting for secrets

[@RedTed_Indentation45]

It would be amazing to see this in the remake. Completely added to the main map

[@yahikos1352]

10 years... Nice video

[@deki-chan6922]

Great video man, thank you and Wisi for this :)

[@graficandorealidades7561]

I wonder if Nomad and Sotc fans have ever watched "Castle in the Sky", a animated movie from Ghibli. I feel like Sotc has the same feeling of the Castle that appears in this movie. When I first played this game it immediately reminded me of the Ghibli world that Miyazaki creates. It's fascinating.

[@vittogiordano]

There's one place i always wanted to see in SOTC, but i don't know the location, i will look for the coordinates because now that (almost) everything is possible in this game maybe someone can reach that (sorry for bad English, i don't speak English very well) Love your videos!

[@TayDude]

Every time I think you're out of miracles to work, you pull out the biggest one yet, huh? Thanks for making a dream I've had for six years come true!

[@MultiPeterdan]

Obrigado Nomad! Não pare com seus videos por favor!

[@alezinho1779]

esse canal pode para se não acha coisas novas do sotc e se não lança continuasão

[@luizseither5904]

this game is amazing, unbelievable,such a great journey if make me feel good a lot of times

[@StegDarkhorse]

Never thought I would wake up to see this. Absolutely amazing.

[@TengokuEXE]

If video game archaeology was a field of study, SoTC would be the most interesting subject.

[@kideiji58]

Your video always make my imagination goes high. I mean imagine that they finish the game with 24 or 48 colossi, that Devil's stairs, oh my god.. there will no such teaser like that in this world! And also, is that cave supposed to connect into The Monkey lair? Or Argus's? And The Dam itself supposed to connect into ICO's castle? I mean, the texture itself is unique, it looks slightly different from the other building in SOTC. Especially the bridge. It gave me ICO vibe when you run pass into it. Btw, like all of your videos, your work is beyond welldone man. The music, your explain, and when you take your time at 17:07 to enjoy the view and beautifulness of this game, just..wow. Great job! Can't wait for your next content.

[@martijnschouten4964]

Wow impressive dude can’t wait to see dam% to be a thing fastest person to climb to the top of the dam wins ;P

[@AndrewFMs]

Ohhh, I've been waiting for this for a very long time. This is perfect...

[@linn_iker]

12:46 Nomad thinks: "huh See you soon, mountain."

[@christopherrapczynski204]

It's funny how even after games have jumped on the open world trend, I'm more interested in the worldmap of ico than all of the AAA games that think that shoving as much shit into a map as they can is enough to make it engaging.

[@XDjUanZInHO]

Thank you wisi

[@Random-dz7re]

The legend is back

[@SimonB.]

Sometimes i think about how epic this game would have been with 48 collosi. Or how many were planned.... They should do that on Ps4 now....

[@Keithixix]

WHO DISLIKED THIS VIDEO?!?! *Throws chair out the window* NYYYAAAAAAAA!!!!!

[@rodrigomera8286]

Cuánto tiempo ,😁 saludos desde Lima-Perú

[@LucasgamerTutoriais1]

Jajajajaja parace que ustedes solos somos saludos Pero que si Pero que no ayayayayay me Gusta tacos y burritos jaaaaaaj foudaci o vácuo de que a i i é um dos maiores sucessos é um e-mail

[@rodrigomera8286]

@@LucasgamerTutoriais1 i don't entender very much 😂😂😂

[@LucasgamerTutoriais1]

@@rodrigomera8286 de ei se eu tivesse um tempo que o maluco beleza em especial em especial o que é o que é o que é o mesmo não sendo o

[@NenekoYuriko]

you came back, I was already missing your videos i love you❤

[@portalsigma]

You are the best Nomad! Thanks for this amazing video! I love your channel!

[@omerozel4716]

I love the music in the background of your intro

[@audiebavington8789]

I started to get worried to get worried. Great vid!

[@manchegogouda2745]

This is so Awesome!! one of my dreams as a gamer... I would have wished that, although they did not place the missing colossi, in the remake, at least they have would added areas like this one to explore, as well as being able to go up to some places, even if it was only for exploring the forbidden lands.

[@Yutafck]

nomad you are a god i waited for much time to see that good video brah!!

[@mr_mushtache5647]

You always make amazing discoveries that make me smile :)

[@chrisl117]

Makes me wonder what could have been if this section had been included in the final product, along with 2 of the beta colossi and how it all would have looked in completed form.

[@l0st5oul45]

Last I remember the developers didn't want to make any comments about any of the stuff found through bounday breaking like the damn or the beta mountains. Has anything changed since then?

[@pitbullamerican482]

Exelente trabajo!! Sigue así!!

[@jeankdesanti5394]

You're the man bro, great video as always

[@ErosMorelli]

Good to see more sotc! 🙌

[@KKKuma]

New video! So great to see more content like this.

[@gabohXD]

Amazing as always. Did Wisi recreated or found the collision data somewhere in the game's files?

[@NomadColossus]

Wisi has responded to your message: There are no collisions models for the Dam and the Beta mountains in the game. To create them, the visible models were converted to LWO (Light Wave object) format and then again to collision-format. Additional files were needed to make the game load the added collision models. Other than that, code was added to the debug tools, which load all the created files from external storage, rather than NICO.DAT. The visible models for those beta areas exist, because the system managing them is a different one from the system managing the rest of the file-loading. There is no way to just "enable" the visible model to be used as a collision model. They have completely different formats and the game cannot use one in the place of the other.

[@Fhgajd114]

And to say those awesome other 6 colossi wont ever be released because blue point was to damn lazy to add new or the removed ones

[@domabat1]

I actually have the special version (ps2) that only a few people in the world have. The only difference is basically agro with the Ico symbol on his head

[@Minty_Meeo]

Isn't that triggered by having an Ico save file on the same memory card? I don't think it is very unique.

[@xyghost9302]

These videos always get me interested in the game... Am I the only one questioning the other side of #12? If you dont know what I mean. I mean where the waterfall goes down and on the right side of it, it just goes into a dead end it always confused me XD

[@93JB93]

WELCOME BACK!!

[@matias4141]

I love your job dude, you are awesome

[@demondevilmon980]

Amazing work as always!

[@andreswolf114]

I love this person

[@nicholaschan5869]

Finally a new release!

[@NervousNoodles]

I love this game so much, and the impact and change it has had on me as a gamer cannot be explained in words. It is amazing to see people still discovering things and getting to previously unreachable areas, even after 13 years. Edit: What's the soundtrack that starts playing at 12:50 ?

[@trousledbones]

It's called "Sanctuary" from The Last Guardian OST

[@Gabi-we1ff]

Great video Nomad, like always! PD: What happened with the footage of Lord Emon the first horned boy? I'm still waiting haha

[@CharlieBrooke125]

Yay! you're back!