The Bible in Jesus' Day: How Different Was It?

[@TheRealMagicBananaz]

Man James White just exudes an attitude and behavior that does not behoove a Christian to hold

[@josh39684]

Agreed the way he talks is like he's talking to a toddler

[@Murk_Matter]

His famous white question can be summed up in that way too. 😂😂​@@josh39684

[@henrytucker7189]

He's a scoffer and a rhetorician-- not a scholar, and certainly not a pastor. Just listen to his cross examinations. He almost never answers a question from an opponent. His strategy is to drag out his response, attack the question, etc. It's a rhetorical tactic of someone not remotely interested in convincing opponents of the truth of his position, but, rather, to keep his own side "dug in." It's defensive, not evangelistic. It's a way you convey to "your people" that they better not even think about entertaining the other position, or they're gone.

[@readyplayer1900]

JW is not a serious scholar, cannot answer simple questions or plain inconsistencies in his beliefs, is not consistently logical or rational, and does not exemplify the fruits of the Spirit, and is not to be taken seriously.

[@Murk_Matter]

@@readyplayer1900 this is why Trent Horn destroyed him in cross examination in their sola scriptura discussion

[@michaelogrady232]

"I would not believe the Scriptures unless the Catholic Church compelled me." [Saint Augustine] Bottom line. There is no other valid argument. Whatever the Jews did after Pentecost is irrelevant. The authority to do such things no longer resided with them. It is passing strange that Protestants will give an almost infallible consent to a group to which they do not belong, and withhold that same consent to a group to which they claim to belong. Very strange indeed.

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

"Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!" came to mind.

[@richardjackson7887]

Catholics commit spiritual idolatry/adulatory and you must not know anything about Spiritual Israel/Gentiles. Hos_2:23 And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God. Rom_9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. Rom_9:26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

[@ClergetMusic]

Anything to not be Catholic. That’s what Protestantism is about: not being Catholic.

[@RockerfellerRothchild1776]

"compelled" ? That don't sound good actually

[@michaelogrady232]

@@RockerfellerRothchild1776 In what way?

[@TheThreatenedSwan]

American protestants be like: The Church Fathers: 🤚 Rabbinical Judaism: 👀

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

They be like Genesis 1:3 "And the BIBLE said, Let there be God...and there was God. And God saw that the BIBLE was good, and He handed them out to all the earth"

[@crusaderACR]

​@@HAL9000-su1mz I just realized the Protestants have a view of the Bible that's similar to how Muslims view their Korans.

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

@@crusaderACR Well said. A point of clarity.

[@DanielAluni-v2t]

​@@crusaderACRexactly. They commit similar errors and flawed evidentiary claims.

[@manuelpompa-u5e]

what?

[@MeanBeanComedy]

Mrs. White: "James, dear, please take out the garbage." James: "I'm reminded of a debate I had back in 1996, with a Catholic apologist you might have heard of..."

[@oswaldomaldonado1051]

Tobit 3:8-17 is the story of the 7 brothers that Jesus was discussing with those Pharisees and Tobit is in the Septuagint.

[@michaelbeauchamp22]

It was probably a double whammy question in their minds, because they were able to make an argument against the resurrection and against one of the writings they rejected. But by defending the resurrection, Jesus implicitly approves the book of Tobit as inspired writing

[@raiprejav]

@@michaelbeauchamp22 True. The pharisees didn't need to point out a line of 7 brothers if their point was only regarding marriage after the resurrection. 2 brothers would suffice.

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

And the "brothers and sisters" is clearly explained in cuntural context by Tobit: A man married his "sister" who was a woman from the same tribe. Brothers and sisters of the Lord are those from Gallilee.

[@chicken-911]

Those were the Sadduccees that made the argument, I believe. But other than that, I agree. It is at least an allusion, and at most a quotation from Tobit.

[@carissstewart3211]

​@michaelbeauchamp22 More than once, we read pharisees laying a trap for Jesus. This sounds like the same kind of trap - as if you can have the resurrection of the dead or you can have Tobit. You can't have both.

[@paulaofchrist]

Before catholic answers gets mad at the upload 'mistake', i love seeing the raw version of podcaster's videos. Its so great to me

[@Tyler-iv7po]

They wouldn't get mad at that

[@michaelbeauchamp22]

The unedited glory. I was confused at the clapping until I realized it was a sound marker to know where to cut 😂

[@powerlessburger]

I was very confused as well lol

[@PirateXandarrr]

Time stamp?

[@BensWorkshop]

@@PirateXandarrr I do it when making videos to synchronise cameras and sound streams.

[@gabrielreina6540]

Joe your content is why I’m Catholic. Love every freaking video you put out. Is there a way I can buy a signed book? You are such an inspiration

[@mikekayanderson408]

You are so proud you’re a Catholic yet you use a word which is a substitute for foul language! Very godly of you!

[@mattcrisanti1121]

Brilliant Joe. Thank you! The point you made in the last few minutes had come to me a bit earlier: who would a Christian take as authority - those in the apostolic succession guided by the Holy Spirit or offshoots of Pharisees? It’s a no brainer! Keep praying for misguided Protestants I guess 🙏🙏🙏

[@The_2_Witnesses]

I love the way Jesus said: “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” - Matthew 5:17-18

[@rickyodom1201]

jesus being back the high presit hood they lost at temple zero is proof of that this where he taught because that thing on hill was not finshed till 300 years after his death the jewish people still do not have this presit hood who over see the law

[@bourbonrebel5515]

Us catholics love this passage too

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

I also love how He said, "He who hears you hears Me" (Luke 10:16) and... "You search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness to me" John 5:39

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

@@bourbonrebel5515 He stealth trolls. I reverse troll him. With scripture. Doubt he gets it.

[@lindamerrick2419]

Read Malachi 1-11 (with the emphasis that NATIONS is referring to the entire world NOTthe Jewish nation only) My name will be great among the nations, from where the sun rises to where it sets. In every place incense and pure offerings will be brought to me, because my name will be great among the nations , “says the LORD Almighty!” This is fulfilled at the Mass!

[@truthnotlies]

Kruger's book Revisiting the Canon was absolutely horrible. He claimed the scriptures are simply "self-authenticating." He claims that the church just automatically knew what books to include - even though there were disputes, just ignore that. He claims that we can be sure there are only these 66 books because they are beautiful and wise. While I would not argue that the books are not beautiful and wise, that is simply just not an argument proving you have the correct canon. He said it was wrong to appeal to church authority because that is circular logic - but then claims, that while a self-authenticating scripture sounds circular to some - it's just not. Nothing he wrote made sense.

[@cactoidjim1477]

That argument only seems plausible to Protestants who have never had a conversation with a Muslim or a Mormon.

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

Hardy Kruger? Great actor. Oh, not him...?

[@truthnotlies]

@@HAL9000-su1mz Michael Kruger.

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

@@truthnotlies Sadly, I cannot unhear the name Michael Kruger.

[@truthnotlies]

@@HAL9000-su1mz 😂

[@theeliteelite1873]

Does James White ever not bring up his debates from the 90s?

[@josh39684]

Always it's so annoying

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

He's the Franco Harris of apologetics.

[@paulmiller3469]

@@HAL9000-su1mz Hey, hey, hey - I can live with someone believing the Immaculate Reception wasn't God's Will, but comparisons of Franco to James White are beyond the pale.

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

@@paulmiller3469 True. People actually liked Franco. Ever watch the Song of Bernadette? I have a special connection to Lourdes. kzbin.info/www/bejne/in7Ih56wZ6Z_i5o

[@chasnikisher7006]

We got to see Shameless Popery unplugged

[@TruthHasSpoken]

It's really inconsistent that Kruger repeatedly cites Catholics, no less Catholic Bishops throughout his book - Canon Revisited - as he attempts to weave his narrative in history. He never stops to realize that the setting in the early Church for hearing scripture was on Sunday, at Mass, during the Liturgy of the Word. Priests and Bishops led Christians in proclaiming God's Word, speaking in their homilies to God's Word, and through their words of consecration, transforming the bread and wine into the resurrected body and blood of Christ, a means of receiving his grace. Below are the Catholic Christians he repeatedly cites. None were protestant pastors. None were protestant theologians. On page 265 he writes: _“throughout the early patristric testimony about the canon, the church fathers occasionally acknowledge that a particular book is “disputed’ by some._ Which raises the question to him, not answered in his book, just WHO were these Church Fathers? Seems that he is referring to the men he cited: St. Jerome (Catholic Priest) Origen (Catholic theologian) St. Clement of Alexandria (Catholic theologian) Tatian (Catholic apologist) St. Justin Martyr (Catholic apologist) St. Clement of Alexandria (Catholic apologist) St. Serapion (Catholic Bishop of Antioch) St. Irenaeus (Catholic Bishop of Lyons) St. Melito of Sardis (Catholic Bishop of Sardis) Tertullian (Catholic apologist) St. Papia (Catholic Bishop of Hierapolis) St. Serapion (Catholic Bishop of Antioch) Eusebius of Caesarea (Catholic Bishop of Caesarea) St. Gregory of Nazianzus (Catholic Arch Bishop of Nazianzus) St. Athanasius (Catholic Bishop of Alexandria) St. Augustine (Catholic Bishop of Hippo) St. Polycarp (Catholic Bishop of Smyrna) So to on page 264, Kruger writes. quoting Origen: _“we approve nothing else but that which the Church approves, that is, four Gospels only as proper to be received._ Which raises again the questions, never answered in his book : - what Church specifically was Origen referring to? - who led it? - what authority did they have that nothing else would be approved but by this Church? - where did that authority come from? Without a critical eye, one could be easily duped by Kruger's poorly substantiated canon thesis.

[@ΕλέησονΑμαρτωλόν]

Great video. Paul obviously used Wisdom and Sirach in writing Romans. Only caught portions of presentation, you might have mentioned that as well. Thanks Joe.

[@TheHolyOnes33]

The jerry madatix story is becoming quite the meme!

[@josh39684]

Imagine making an argument in the 90's that you are so proud of that you name it after yourself

[@WayneDrake-uk1gg]

Regarding the White/Madatix Mary meme, Gavin Ortlund has already pinpointed how Marian Devotion is a Roman accretion: Originally the Hail Mary was part of the historic Baptist Faith of St Peter and the Apostles, and it was directed expressly towards God, but the wording was corrupted in the Middle Ages when it was translated into Latin from the original Cherokee

[@bourbonrebel5515]

@@WayneDrake-uk1ggwhat are you talking about?

[@WayneDrake-uk1gg]

@@bourbonrebel5515 the "other" meme-level issue between White and Madatix. It's on White's "message to Candice Owens" video and several others

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

Time for 2.0!!! James White's laurels are dried out and crispy.

[@ekatrinya]

Joe, God gave you a wonderful mind and such a gift for teaching and articulating your thoughts.

[@josh39684]

Hey Joe, you should consider doing a series addressing common misunderstandings about the end times held by Protestants.

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

They have ONE DOT and cannot connect it.

[@alpscraftshack599]

LOL - What about a series, also, on "... addressing common misunderstandings about the end times held by ..." Catholics?

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

@@alpscraftshack599 Which misunderstandings? The fake rapture is fake? End times prophesies are all fake? The Millerites were wrong? The Jabbering Witnesses have been wrong numerous times? David Koresh and the Branch Adventists were wrong? Marshall Applewhite was wrong? Jim Jones was wrong? Harold Camping was wrong? Scientology is wrong? All dispensationalists are wrong? Every single Bibleist prophesy of the parousia has been wrong? For 100 human generations, the "end time" has been each individual's last breath. That is all we know or need to know. Notice that the Catholic Church is loathe to proclaim false prophecies. Even if she wanted to, the line is too long.

[@crusaderACR]

​@@alpscraftshack599 We don't hold one specific doctrine about the end times, except the overall Christian basics. Contrary to popular belief, the Church doesn't rule on everything, she only rules on the essentials of the Faith. Yet still in the more serious Catholic scholarship, despite the permitted diversity, you'll have a hard time ever finding the biblically unsupported, mentally deficient insanities that you so often hear in very serious Protestant circles. You won't find any reputable Catholic mentioning anything like the freaking Rapture, that's for sure. None of that taking all Revelations numerology as literal (I'm not sure you could remain sane for long if you hold that and apply it). Some Protestants congregate around one specific error regarding the endtimes. Didn't the Adventists believe the world was to end in the 1920s? Gosh, sometimes they see the end as some exodus to Heaven instead of the redemption of the Cosmos. They sound almost Gnostic when saying that, it's awful. Brothers, Heaven will pass away around the same time as Earth. Instead of believing in the literal Resurrection of the Dead, they may label it metaphorical, like the filthy Sadducees. A literal, fleshy resurrection is a core tenet of Christianity, important enough to be in the Creeds, and every church should mention it at least in passing every Sunday. Common Catholic misconceptions about the endtimes? Dunno, we recite the important bits in every mass so I wouldn't worry about it :)

[@chrissjduebochsjd3120]

@@alpscraftshack599or do a video on why Catholic priests keep abusing kids for centuries

[@chasnikisher7006]

The enthusiasm and joy shown in the introduction

[@TheRealMagicBananaz]

19:18 Had to rewind a couple times just listening to audio cause I got confused and thought I missed something😅

[@thundersmite2162]

Hahaha! Same

[@gregnorthway3814]

I really enjoy how you present complex topics and explain them using various sources and walk us through things one step at a time.

[@CBlackartist]

God Bless you Joe,Keep up the good work!

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

Great book: "Where We Got The Bible" by Rev. Henry G. Graham. Places the scriptures in context and identifies the authority which compiled the scriptures, vetted them, and laboriously copied and re-copied them hundreds of times, preserving them for us today. Excellent read. In his earlier life, Rev. Graham "was" a Presbyterian in the Scottish church.

[@tonyl3762]

Dude, you should be promoting Gary Michuta's channel on the canon, "apocrypha," and deuterocanon.

[@bethanyjohnson8001]

"I don't know who else calls it 'the White question.'" Oh, James. God bless you.

[@ReactivatedCatholicMan]

Pride is a damaging thing.

[@daviddabrowski01]

Man…. This was brilliant. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@BensWorkshop]

Many thanks Joe.

[@follower8815]

Hey Joe. Will you ever do a video on the typology between Eliakim and Peter? Is there enough of an argument to be made for Eliakim to be a type?

[@sentjojo]

Brant Pitre has a great talk on this called "The Jewish Roots of the Papacy"

[@thejollyviking8083]

Literally as soon as you brought up James White I immediately knew (without having seen the reference) that he was going to talk about a debate in the 90s that he had with Gerry Matatics. White is so predictable and (in the most genuine sense of the term) retrogressive when it comes to the Catholic Church that it defies imagination how people still take him seriously about Catholicism.

[@kathleenherighty3401]

Your excellent videos are very informative and enjoyable. Thank you. God be with you.

[@mohammedziauddin601]

I think many of our Protestant brothers & sisters believe the Holy Bible was created after Martin Luther and the KJV.

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

Jesus' last act before ascending was to hand the King James Version to Martin Luther.

[@mohammedziauddin601]

😇Lol 👼🏽

[@JMJ.516]

“The only version I trust is the one Paul carried around!”

[@mikekayanderson408]

We are not that stupid!

[@alpscraftshack599]

LOL - I don't think they are that stupid. I think that the majority of people know that the "Bible" was created (edited, assembled, put together) by evil, fallen, sinful men - namely the Catholic "church".

[@whaddup691]

My brother in Christ: why a 5 am upload. Is everything okay?

[@lukeohanlon2960]

He's trying to accommodate his Irish subscribers 😂

[@thatsfunny2051]

​@@lukeohanlon2960And Australians

[@Mxswanson500]

Where the intro song 😢

[@whaddup691]

@@Mxswanson500 this seems to be an accidental early upload. There are editing issues as you go through it

[@Gerschwin]

He knows that its lunch time here in South africa. And that it's the perfect time for me😂

[@UrielAngeli147]

I'm reminded of the saying - History isn't written by who's right, but by who's left.

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

I am reminded of the saying "The smoker you drink, the player you get" - Joe Walsh

[@suburbanbanshee]

A lot of Greek scrolls did have markings to help with reading and finding places, which eventually turned into punctuation marks. It is fun stuff.

[@oswaldomaldonado1051]

Also "The Church" that the holy spirit is guiding that James White says we should trust is the Ekklesia Kath Oles (Acts 9:31). The Catholic Church.

[@bryandonovan6779]

Thanks Joe, as always. I am going back to this video ( Bible in Jesus' Day) after watching your latest release yesterday. I have to reprocess your videos by going back over them, sometimes one after another in order to really unpack the depth of understanding. How interesting that the history of Codex just happens to perfectly parallel the development of the Bible. Logically it totally makes sense. Once you realize that the very concept of moving from a collection of scrolls to a bound codex in and of itself must have taken a few generations. By the time of the early Councils, such as Hippo in 393 AD the transition to a book such as the New Testament representing a complete collection of related manuscripts/books makes sense.

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

And this was permitted by God rather than commanded. That is very curious to Americans in particular.

[@Robert-bm2jr]

This is great stuff. You are the most insightful apologist on KZbin. Thanks. Truly.

[@thenewcinema.7403]

This is superb. Excellent summary!

[@Nuns_Fret_Not]

This is so fascinating! Thank you for this!

[@zachj61]

I find it fascinating to see biblical references to other documents that seem to not exist today, eg. the chronicles of the kings of Israel, or that of the kings of Judah. I wonder if any existed in Jesus' day at all.

[@mattg9807]

Do you have any show notes? Where we could go back and look up the documents and stuff that you mention. So that we can study further? Thank you. God Bless you and your podcast they have been a blessing in my conversion.

[@billygc1463]

My born again convert sister insisted that I attend a boot camp ran by ex Catholics. On the first hour of the lectures, they proclaimed that the reason Protestants had less Old Testament books is because they followed the Jewish bible. So what better authority. What they neglected to say was that during Jesus's days all the books in the Catholic Old testament books were present. It was decades later that the Jews remade their bible. I knew that these born again converts were doing everything including lying to convert Catholics. I left the boot camp and never looked bak.

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

Itching ears! We can pray for them, as they are also made in the image and likeness of God.

[@JMJ.516]

They’re like Muslims. Without lies they have nothing.

[@rickfilmmaker3934]

Excellent Joe. Keep'em coming. Educational and inspirational.

[@jordanmiller3927]

In regards to the sadduccees poking fun of the resurrection with the story of the woman widowed 7 times, are they also poking fun at and referencing the book of Tobit? In Tobit there’s an example of 7 men being married to a women who all die on their wedding day? I say mocking because they also do believe in angels and the book revolves around the angel Raphael

[@michaelbeauchamp22]

I think so, that would make sense. Implicitly then, Jesus is defending the book of Tobit as true

[@shopthecozyminimalist]

Can you do a video on the end time views of Catholics? Thank you!

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

Augustin (paraphrase) "Rome has spoken. All the rest are poseurs"

[@anonymouscrank]

Thank you for correctly explaining our Lord's condemnation of the 'traditions of men.'

[@oworjuliusc1412]

The introductory song is missing

[@wingedlion17]

As a non believer only interim this for academic curiosity this was still pretty helpful

[@charleswalsh9895]

Amen and amen. The Catholic church decided the books of the Bible. But we must follow the Christ Jesus revealed in the Catholic Apostolic Church

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

It begins with humility: "Deny yourself." It continues with understanding: "Take up your cross daily." It is completed with fortitude via grace: "Then come, follow Me." Luke 9:23

[@Spiritof76Catholic]

Like you said Amen and Amen. I believe and I believe!

[@mbberry135]

Dear Gary Michuta; Man, Your Joe Heschmeyer impersonation is Amazing! ;-) Sincerely in Xto Mike B. B. From Philly, P.A. U.S.A. P.S. Apocryphal Apocalypse is a really good Channel.

[@mgvilaca]

Hello, Joe, could you or someone else please answer me two questions? 1. In John 2 it is written that the first miracle Jesus performs is turning water into wine and He's in the presence of His disciples. However, in Luke, it seems to imply that before picking the twelve He had already performed miracles, for example, healing St. Peter's mother-in-law, and that seems to happen before He picks the twelve. Perhaps the disciples mentioned in John 2 aren't necessarily the twelve but I wanted to know your view. 2. John wrote that his mother and him were atbthe foot of the cross. Why would Luke, Mark and Matthew omit such detail and mention other people present, when those are two of the most important people in the life of Jesus? I'd love to know what y'all think. Of course it's hard to put ourselves in the lenses of those people who wrote almost two millenia ago. But these objections come up often. Thank you

[@telstraRobs5]

For the first point, I'd argue that it just says "Jesus's disciples" and that would just refer to all the disciples he had with him at that point in time. It doesn't say Jesus's Apostles, or the 12 Apostles. Jesus had more disciples than just the apostles, and so the disciples he had with him may not have been all the apostles, and included some who were not apostles. For the second, omissions were not considered big issues even among secular critical scholars. Paper was expensive! I would also argue St. John was the only disciple who was present at the cross. One of the fathers, I believe St. Augustine, said that St. John wrote his gospel later than the other gospels, and did so because he wanted to add important details that the other three evangelists had left out.

[@mgvilaca]

​@@telstraRobs5 yes, I agree. The synoptics don't mention John or Mary because they were at the foot of the cross, they only mention the disciples that were away from it

[@lindamerrick2419]

Also, John was still quite young and not considered a physical threat by the Roman Authorities. The others were hiding out of fear that they would be next!

[@MariaGarcia-el6ph]

On your second point, I have a theory, pure conjecture, of course. If the 3 synoptics are written earlier in time, and John's gospel is the last, closer to the end of the century, consider that while Matthew, Luke, and Mark are written, there is extremely heavy persecution of Christians, esp. by the Jews. Jewish authorities are rounding them up and killing them, the Roman persecution picks up a little later. One of, if not THE key message, of the gospels is the DEATH and resurrection. There are hundreds of witnesses who saw him after he resurrected, so they can't kill all of them. But what if they could spread the "fake news" that he didn't actually die, that they just thought he was dead and he recovered and faked being resurrected, nothing to see here, just a charlatan. Who is the only apostle who witnessed Jesus dying? The synoptics could have been protecting John from certain death to prevent him from witnessing to the world Jesus actual final moments and death on the cross. If John is killed early on, the Jewish/Roman authorities may be able to convince more people that these Christians are just a bunch of deep fakes trying to start a rebellion. So none of the synoptics reveal that detail, to protect John. When John is very old and already exiled, though, he is free to reveal the truth of his eyewitness testimony of Jesus death on the cross. Just a theory, but makes sense to me.

[@TrixRN]

For your 1st question. This was the 1st Public miracle Jesus performed. The other miracles were done privately or with very few people present & were told to keep it quiet. For your 2nd question. Differences in eyewitness testimony is very very common. Some things are noticed & remembered while others aren’t. It isn’t considered an issue for veracity. Also as mentioned by another poster identities needed to be kept private because of persecution.

[@johnnyosprey6056]

Every time I hear James White do his “back in the 90s” spiel, all I can think of is Uncle Rico. Awesome job, guys!

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

"No one who puts hand to plow and looks back is fit for the Kingdom of Heaven" - Really Famous Guy.

[@davidhoyos1498]

common popery banger

[@sirreyes9435]

So much to learnnnnnn

[@rafecolii]

Re-upload when? You forgot to edit out a sound spike marker.

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

LIVE! Catholic Saturday Night!!!

[@JMJ.516]

@@HAL9000-su1mz😂😂😂

[@orbeuniversity]

PERSONAL NOTES: 0:00 What Was The Bible Like In Jesus' Days? 7:13 What's the Tanakh? 15:37 The Jewish Factions 18:28 The Dead Sea Bible(s) 26:07 The Samaritans' Bible 28:17 The Sadducees' Bible 43:06 Josephus and The Talmudic Canon 47:18 The Rabbis' Bible 53:51 The Christians' Bible(s) 1:01:03 Conclusion

[@michaelogrady232]

Where in the Jewish writings is the term "inspired Scripture" ever found? Did they even have such a concept?

[@zeektm1762]

More or less. Suggest you watch Gary Michuta over at Apocrypha Apocalypse. They had a much more diverse concept.

[@SDJ992-q9t]

“ALL SCRIPTURE IS INSPIRED OF GOD and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.” (2 Timothy 3:16,17)

[@michaelogrady232]

@sunnyjohnson992 That is not a Jewish writing. Paul was a Jew by birth, but a Christian in belief. He was a Jew of the Diaspora. The Jews of the Diaspora used the Greek Septuagint. Paul is therefore saying the Greek Septuagint is inspired by God. As far as is known there is no pre Christian Canon of Scripture. Paul is declaring the Greek Septuagint to be inspired for the very first time.

[@michaelogrady232]

@GizmoFromPizmo But did any authority ever put together a list of Books they proclaimed to be the inspired Writings of God? It would have to be prior to Pentecost as they were stripped of authority afterwards.

[@michaelogrady232]

@@GizmoFromPizmo Not authority over the Word, but authority to declare which Writings are the Word. It would be a divine authority. Like when Jesus says all authority has been given to Him, and then tells the Apostles as the Father sent Him, so now is He sending them. How did the Father send Jesus? With all authority.

[@brwnbn]

At 54:40, when you are talking about the LXX, would you make a distinction between the LXX as a translation (or translations), and the LXX as a closed canon? Is there a closed LXX canon in Justin Martyr's day, and if not, does this affect your point there? Thanks for the helpful discussion!

[@rhwinner]

Just as an aside: I could never understand how a Bible commissioned by a King with a predilection for young male courtiers could become the 'standard' for half of Christendom. I mean, I know it doesn't affect the translation, but to put so much stock in a Bible that includes a dedication to a pederast on it's first page - well, even Catholics with all their problems never did _that...._ OK, I'll get off my soapbox now. 😄

[@mbalicki]

By “half of Christendom” do you mean ‘half of the English-speaking Christians”? 😅 If so, I have some great news for you!

[@CatholicaVeritasIndonesia]

…?

[@Cheyajm]

Western Christendom* And it actually did and still does affect the translation. It's an interpretive job, translating scripture.

[@mbalicki]

@@Cheyajm : Fortunately, not even close to half, even if we exclude Eastern Christians. 😉 I assure you no Christian community from France, Poland, Mexico or Brazil prescribes using KJV. 😅

[@cactoidjim1477]

The KJV - until at least 1769 that I have verified - had all the books. Sure they were in a separate section "Called Apocrypha", but they were on the Table of Contents under the greater heading: The Names and Order of all the Books of the Old and New Testament, with the Number of their Chapters" When cross-references were added, those cross-references to the Deuterocanon still remained for decades after the KJV stopped printing the books themselves.

[@antpassalacqua]

good video, laughed at the little editing mistake ive disagreed with you and the other major pop apologists of our day plenty, but keep up the good work i greatly recommend your early church book

[@tonyl3762]

The Jews removed the Deuteros when they rejected the New Testament: “The Gospels and heretical books do not defile the hands. The books of ben Sira, and all other books written from then on, do not defile the hands” Tosefta Yadayim, 2:13 (Rabbi Akiva)

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

Wisdom of Solomon 2:12-20. Who does that describe?

[@tonyl3762]

@@HAL9000-su1mz Jesus, of course. My point was not to justify the Jews, of course.

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

@@tonyl3762 Posted mostly for those who have not read it. Yeah, much was prophesied about the Jew's rejection and eventual return.

[@tomreichardt6044]

My understanding was that when the Book of Psalms was assembled from the songs that were in use... some of them came from the Northern tribes and some psalms were used in Jerusalem.

[@AllanKoayTC]

i never even knew there was a Samaritan Bible. Thanks, Joe.

[@alpscraftshack599]

There are all kinds of so-called "Bibles" out there.

[@EpoRose1]

@@alpscraftshack599If you want anyone to take anything you comment even remotely seriously, you probably shouldn’t start all your comment with LOL. Just some advice.

[@RedRoosterRoman]

The clip from James White at the end is pure brilliance

[@alpscraftshack599]

There was no "Bible" in Jesus' Day. In His day, the 'New Testament' did not exist (had not been written yet), and, the Scriptures that did exist were not called the "Bible". The first canonization, of the "Bible", as we know it today, did not happen until around 380-382 AD. That was also about the time that the Scriptures were first referred to as the "Bible".

[@LuzianJ]

Pretty irrelevant to the point here. You've not watched the video, have you?

[@PaddyandFran]

Thank you

[@Dannyboy0202]

Why did the scribes and pharisees reject Jesus? Because they're sad you see😂 I'll get my coat

[@Tyler-iv7po]

Doesn't make sense, the pharisees were not sadducees.

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

@@Tyler-iv7po He got all 3 in one riddle. ucee?

[@stananders2333]

Eh seen what you sayin', lol

[@Mathetesofscripture]

I was an atheist who converted to Christianity about a year and a half ago. Of course, in America, my first thought was just to go to a church and learn. So I went to a Baptist church, they are common in my area. I ended up at a Sola Scriptura conference, and during the Q&A is asked a man named Sam Waldron how we can know that our canon is correct. He refused to answer as did the other speakers. So I started reading and watching videos on the subject, and Catholics so far are the only ones to give a charitable response. It alarms me how many protestants just trust Jews to tell them how their Bible should look.

[@frederickanderson1860]

They we're scrolls and no chapter and verse format. The Geneva bible was 1st to do that and have commentary. A complete Isaiah scroll was found in qumran intact and very little differences to the English translation.

[@MGR1900]

14:37-14:42. Lol!

[@josephology3290]

Why 4 Gospels? Read once by some ancient monk in the East (can’t recall who?) that is because 2 came from 2 of the 12 apostles while 2 came from 2 of the 72 apostles. I.e., Matthew & John of the 12 and Mark & Luke of the 72. Thoughts? Any help helping me find who said this again pls?

[@Maranatha99]

MATHEW: Jewish audience, Jesus as the Jewish Messiah MARK: Romans, Jesus as servant. LUKE: Gentiles, Jesus as man JOHN: everybody, Jesus as the sob of God

[@E-pistol]

Jews n' prots removed books 😢

[@E-pistol]

@@GizmoFromPizmo , eat and drink God or you have no life.

[@perhael]

Hey Joe, what do you think of the book “the Making of the Bible” by Konrad Schmid and Jens Schroter? Is it a good resource?

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

"Where We Got The Bible" by Rev. Henry G. Graham. Hands down.

[@IsaiahINRI]

Uhm actually I'm pretty sure St. Paul used the KJV

[@JMJ.516]

Most definitely.

[@rhwinner]

Yes, I believe he had the red letter edition.

[@Frst2nxt]

There was always a difference between lists of Divine Scriptures and just the ones assigned regular public reading. Its the same for both Jews and Catholics, and not undersood by protestants.

[@harley6659]

First ❤😊

[@EpoRose1]

James White reliving “the White question” reminds me of Al Bundy reliving his four touchdowns in the city championship.

[@paulag8575]

Just so you know that, in Jesus's day there were no Bibles. The Christian Bible came about afterwards, through the converts to Jesus Christ teachings and through the witnessing of the Apostles. Your quote was taken out, from the Thora of the Jewish book of the Old Testament. The NEW Testament contains mainly the four Gospels the letters of saints Peter and Paul and the other disciples' accounts of their lives in the company of Jesus. Constructed by and through the Holy Spirit's directives and compiled by the Catholic Church instituted by Christ Himself. Amen!

[@MeanBeanComedy]

59:53 Woof! James White looked like he ate another James White in this clip! 😳😳😆

[@josephology3290]

No chapter #s (Catholic added those) nor verse #s (Protestant added those). What if anything did the Orthodox add?

[@CurtosiusMaximus828]

“Here’s James white recounting a debate from decades ago and talking about a debate point he thought went really well” hahaha! That sums up James white perfectly

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

James White is SOOOOOO 90s.

[@josephjude1290]

A good question to ask Protestants and Muslims

[@jonatasmachado7217]

Excellent content as always!

[@josephology3290]

Do 3-way Debate! 💪 Steve Christie (66) vs Joe (73) vs Dennis G (76) for Protestant vs Catholic vs Orthodox! We did a 3-way Josephology debate recently: Steve (Jesus = oldest son) vs John (Jesus = only son) vs Dennis (Jesus = youngest son) (ie, did Joseph have kids?)

[@James_Wisniewski]

You definitely can't determine which scrolls the Qumran community considered holy based on their collection. I mean, if someone two thousand years from now tried to determine which religious scriptures I considered holy based solely on which ones I have in my collection right now, they would be very confused and unable to answer that question. I've got multiple translations of the Bible across different denominations and even different religions (Christian and Jewish), a collection of texts from the Nag Hammadi library, a PDF of the Book of Enoch, two translations of the Qur'an, a Book of Mormon, an ebook of the Kitab-i-aqdas, and a translation of the Mahabharata. I also have a copy of Raymond Buckland's Complete Book of Witchcraft, but that's more of an instruction manual than a piece of religious scripture. You would never guess what my religious leanings, if any, are based on that, apart from a strong preference for the Abrahamic faiths. And that's just me, let alone an entire community.

[@iphidamasfilms1245]

James White once threw 4 touchdowns in a single game for Polk High lol

[@user-vf5mx8fh8j]

How did the Sadducees and Samaritans understand Genesis 19:24 "at the same time the LORD rained down sulphurous fire upon Sodom and Gomorrah (from the LORD out of heaven)."? Was it Yahweh alone?

[@MrPeach1]

Dang calling James White uncle Rico... Back in 1993 I could throw Gerry Matatics a quarter mile.

[@stevenjorgensen2826]

"An old essay from 1986" Ouch!

[@carissstewart3211]

"Jesus would certainly tell people if they had the wrong Bible" Jesus when He speaks to the Sadducees: *quotes the Torah, which the Sadducees accept.* Jesus when He speaks to the Samaritan woman: *alludes to the Torah and the Samaritan messiah, the Taheb.* Jesus when He speaks to Greeks: *draws on an analogy from Nature.* Jesus when He speaks to Pontius Pilate: *engages in a philosophical conversion*

[@litlandcom]

This is excellent thank you. I appreciate your organization of the information and presentation at a reasonable pace.

[@anthonyeaton5153]

Was the bible written during the time of Jesus.

[@TruthHasSpoken]

Well no. Who has taught you that??? There was no New Testament writing put to writ until ~50ad, with the latest perhaps as 75 ad. And for the Old Testament writings, they were all written ~200 years before Jesus, with some writings much earlier.

[@rickfilmmaker3934]

Kruger and White are beyond strange, too be that ignorant and arrogant is dangerous.

[@MeanBeanComedy]

How have I heard of all these Rabbis before? It's weird. I'm not a Rabbinical Jew, and I've barely read the Talmud, but most of the people Joe is referencing I've somehow heard of and sound familiar to me. 🤔🤔🧐 Is Ben Shapiro subliminally teaching me the Talmud? What's going on here??

[@douglaidlaw740]

In Jesus's day, the New Testament had yet to be written. The jewish Bible was the Old Testament as we call it, and as a practising Judaist said to me, they still use the O.T. today. The primitive book, or codex, was first used by Christians, but I have no timeline. There is an episcopalian Church in Australia that accepts the Gospel of Thomas and friends. The 66 Books are not the only candidates. The Book of Esther was part of the Septuagint. It is the only Book that makes NO mention of God. The Evangelists refuse to accept that the Books have different authors, saying that they were written by God, and it is quite permissible to choose quotations from anywhere. A Catholic priest on a video appeared to believe the same.

[@TruthHasSpoken]

"The jewish Bible was the Old Testament as we call it, " Well no. At the time of Jesus, outside of the Books of Moses, the various Jewish religious sects disagreed as to the Old Testament canon of scripture. As you alluded to, the Diaspora Jews used the Septuagint, which included all the Catholic writings plus more that the Orthodox hold as inspired - and the Sadducees only held to the Books of Moses, in part because of their rejection of life after death.

[@smeatonlighthouse4384]

The Jews had Moses (the Law) and the prophets, and that is all. Jesus quoted from both when he was debating with Satan. The Lord's argument was - the scriptures say. Ours should be simply 'The Bible says'. Nothing more and nothing less. Once you start quoting church doctrine things fall apart.

[@TomHensley-g1n]

Wow in Jesus day there was only what we call the old testament, the Torah. It was scrolls not a book.

[@TheThreatenedSwan]

Kruger is so full of it

[@johnemanuele8695]

Well, one fact is the New Testament didn't exist..and fact..the Old testament didn't exist as we read it today