Shane McMahon and more Royal Rumble fallout: Wrestling Observer Radio

[@TophDaGreat]

Bad Bunny and Johnny Knoxville getting louder pops than everybody else in the match. Bunny being part of the final four. Shane eliminating Owens. Legitimately one of the worst Rumbles I've ever seen. Not as bad as 2015, but top 5 for sure.

[@mielyt125]

3 times worse than 2015 easily

[@emperorjack8946]

If Brock was going to win, the final four should have been theory, Orton, riddle and bork.

[@harishsubramanian1241]

@@mielyt125 2015 was the worst by far. 2022 was terrible, but nowhere close to the "excrement hitting the fan" levels of 2015.

[@mielyt125]

@@harishsubramanian1241 2015 was bad. 2022 was depressing

[@butterapplebutterapple5371]

at least 2015 was memorably bad, 2022 was just extremely boring which can be argued is worse than being bad.

[@alessandrocelentano8826]

The fact that Shane was supposed to setup a mania feud with Rollins is HORRIFYING

[@misfyt_mcfly3084]

Absolutely tuuuuurible

[@bb-gc2tx]

i know its just so horrifying to the 1 percent of smarks 99.9 general public could care less lol

[@mclovin6039]

@@bb-gc2tx that's the horrifying part. Your apathy is killing wrestling.

[@TheBigGSN5]

If Hogan could still work, he'd be the top guy in WWE. What a nostalgia graveyard.

[@TheJasonaut]

Scooter race...academic challenge...Shane MacMahon, RAW is killing it right now lol.

[@aye_its_karate6169]

Right? I just wish they had more 65 year old wrestlers who were booked every single week instead of the younger talent. WWE needs its own Sting. An old guy who is wrestling every week lol.

[@stevenlannister184]

@@aye_its_karate6169 they're growing their own talent. Orton and the Miz will be ready to take over from Sting in 30 years. Building for the future.

[@thetribalist6923]

It sounds like watching Billy Madison.

[@hwoarangthedoorbell]

Yeah RAW is killing it. “It,” of course, being “fan interest.”

[@bradenwhitley4014]

Don't forget about that amazing shit they got going on with Dana Brooke and the 24/7 title!!!

[@jrocmfdeal918]

I feel sorry for the performers in WWE. Booking and backstage politics have drained the energy from the product. Keep up the good work out of touch management!!!

[@cgarciahfcu]

I don't feel sorry for the performers. They know what they're signing up for. Kevin Owens just re-signed. So he better not say anything about being eliminated by Shane McMahon.

[@safayetkhan9389]

@@cgarciahfcu Yeah people like Owens and Sami had the chance to leave so I can't feel too sorry for them

[@haloichigo1]

I only feel bad for the ones who are stuck like Ricochet or who want to leave like Ali, but not for those who choose to stay like Owen's. I respect his decision to make more money and secure his future, but heck getting eliminated by Shane is something you need to take with that pay check.

[@squisherking]

At least the performers get paid. We, the fans, are the ones that lose out from the awful booking, backstage politics, and misuse of our favorite wrestlers. I feel sorry for us.

[@Dascoo77]

@@squisherking or stop watching wrestling lol. Why are some people so addicted to watching this

[@Unclejack328]

Each year that passes further highlights that Pat Patterson was the only one who could book a rumble.

[@monotonedmika17]

and they said Dave was pro-AEW. look at him trying his hardest to make sense of WWE’s Rumble booking.

[@bipolarminddroppings]

If this was an AEW rumble, he would have given it 7 stars and said the booking was worthy of the "booker of the century" award. Being pro-AEW doesnt mean you have to be anti-WWE. Im pro WWE and AEW because I love wrestling. I wish they were both much better products than they are but they both suck, for very different reasons.

[@endlessfiregaming3863]

@@bipolarminddroppings if this was an aew rumble it woukd have actually been good.

[@Phantom7inCH]

@@bipolarminddroppings People will always compare as well they should be. During the Monday night wars Vince went out of his way to throw jabs and make people compare the two(WCW,WWE). DX had that angle with the tank. I understand where you’re coming from but that’s WWE’s fault for not making the product better and actually listening to fans.

[@endlessfiregaming3863]

@@bipolarminddroppings literally nothing sucks about aew ... like literally nothing . You sound like a one of those people who just says wrestling is dead . Meanwhile wrestling hasn't felt this alive in 20 years

[@DemoderDen2027]

@@endlessfiregaming3863 the ratings say otherwise

[@DarkLordofTheSith69]

Shane is the shits..he took a good bump when he was younger but his ring work is the shits and now we know his booking is the shits too..its clearly evident that Pat Patterson has left a huge hole in WWE especially when it comes to big angles and shows..since he left and passed their angles have gotten really bad

[@ravanpee1325]

He was always a glorified stuntman who threw himself from things

[@dennett316]

He's gotten worse now too. In the past his shitty punches just looked terrible, now they look terrible but he actually potatoes people at the same time. He's not a good wrestler - he's not full time, so that's fine - but they insist on using him in high profile matches having him go toe to toe with wrestlers he has no business doing that with. Undertaker, Brawn Strowman, AJ Styles...it's ridiculous that he had competitive matches with them.

[@DarkLordofTheSith69]

@@dennett316 exactly right

[@Kr4ShSkeL]

When you're unable to work a punch you should not be anywhere near a wrestling ring

[@ericanderson969]

“You have to be a special kind of clueless in 2022 to think the fans are going to expect that anybody except three of these people are going to win.” Bryan just summed up Vince McMahon’s scrambled egg of a brain.

[@romanowski3164]

Crying Byran a gymnast who couldn't wrestle calling WWE superstars geeks, pot meet kettle

[@ktownshutdown21]

It's honestly a miracle that anything in this company functions properly, because management constantly sounds like a fucking nightmare to deal with.

[@danielbrennan7613]

So do you

[@num1Jaysta]

@@danielbrennan7613 No Daniel

[@captain-brickhead8317]

The final 2 should have been randy and riddle, could have started to set up the eventual split. Brock and shane had no business being in the rumble unless they were going to set up new angles. Such a let down.

[@dennett316]

Brock didn't need to win the Rumble to challenge Roman. They set up that Reigns screwed him, so the Wrestlemania match would've been set. Now they've put Brock in the Raw Elimination Chamber title match, I've got a horrible feeling that Brock wins the title there and they do Champ vs Champ at Wrestlemania. Just a waste of time for a guy who doesn't need the title to be a draw.

[@switchbladetheindiannightm9607]

Actually riddle was supposed to win the Royal Rumble as per the backstage news but the fact that they changed the rumble 20 times says a lot I mean just imagine riddle winning the rumble the crowd would have erupted since he's super over with the crowd.

[@Snake_0_]

I actually thought the rumble would have ended with Orton and Riddle in some way. They appear to be the most over act in the company right now so I thought they would strike while the iron is hot.

[@MrTambourineMan.]

Are people still running with this conspiracy theory that AEW pays Dave to bury WWE? Look how hard he tried to justify their booking

[@PedroGomez-vd3wh]

The funny thing is most people who claim the bias fail to see how often he justifies around their booking and logic whereas Bryan is mortified at the booking in general

[@BJAdamBarry]

What did he say that was justifying the booking? He's simply explaining their thought process and talk a little bit on why he didn't think it work.

[@xadamx94]

He was on wwe payroll at one point in the 80s lol

[@zubrhero5270]

I like the fact that _even though we didn't know Ronda was gonna be in the Rumble..._ we all simultaneously booked her to win it. We were all basically in the "if she's in it... she'll win it" camp the moment we heard her name a couple of weeks ago.

[@rubberchix]

Good for you. You went online are looked at rumours for a fake sport, had it spoiled and then complained.

[@thepolarphantasm2319]

@@rubberchix "Shut up, guy with an opinion. Just consume product and get excited for more product loser!" - this fuckin guy

[@zubrhero5270]

@@rubberchix Ah c'mon now ya daft wee bugger. I neither had it spoiled _nor_ complained. I mean, I said pretty much *exactly* my thoughts in my first comment lol, "if she's in it... she'll win it". I'm not the only one who said it, but she was my personal pick to win it. I dunno though, I mean, it seems like you just wanted to call out fake sport fans on a fake sports channel or something? You do you, Boo-Boo, I support your hustle. Be the best you that you can be.

[@rubberchix]

@@zubrhero5270 as if I'm reading that lecture lmao

[@zubrhero5270]

@@rubberchix I still love and support you son.

[@JC-ok4yx]

I know WWE sees itself as being “bigger” than everyone so they have to have the “biggest name” as their champ, but it’s put them into a position that a lot of people don’t care who it is anymore. Imagine an AEW Rumble, how many potential winners could there be? Granted you might say many aren’t big names, but that’s the point, a win in the Rumble can take a name and make it big. WWE used to be able to do that with MitB and the Rumble. They haven’t been able to “build” anyone into a spot for years at this point.

[@Ruxx_AEW]

@@dreamshakejunya but he didn’t win the RR LOL

[@JC-ok4yx]

@@dreamshakejunya Thank you for proving my point. Riddle is EXACTLY the type of person who *could* go from being midcard to main event. I would suggest that WWE is fine keeping him where he is. IT's not that they don't have the talent to be in the main event, it's that WWE doesn't seem to trust that more than 2-3 people can be in that spot.

[@MrTeamGuy]

@@JC-ok4yx he is in old Dolph spot, don't expect him to go further. Both great workers tho. Cesaro earned better spot also. Just his few nxt matches against Zayn, the persona he gave was badass heel/future face that definetly could have main evented with major feuds. But good writters are scared to give ideas or be seen as climbing in career. Backstage politics by people behind wwe is killing the product quality. WWE will be fine, just fans get sh*t with sometimes pretty decent salad

[@bipolarminddroppings]

Its a complete fallacy that the Rumble used to be used to raise guys into the main event. It has always been used this way, occasionally putting over a new star but mostly to put the top babyface in the WM main event after they got screwed previously. Same thing with MitB. The first few winners were mostly top stars or guys that were already breaking into the main event picture. Also, AEW do have their own Rumble, its that shitty thing they do with the card suits and who has won those so far? Oh, that's right, guys who were already over...

[@MrTeamGuy]

@@bipolarminddroppings Like when Rey Fenix and Jungle Boy were last two and put on a mini match? Don't know rr always had work horses get ton of exposure. Check AEW, they are really good. Not every tv episode is a must watch. But for those who don't want too much product, advice would be to start following one guy 👍

[@xGodofAcidx]

Scooter race? Yeah, I really regret my decision to stop watching this show years ago.

[@nu-punkrants1551]

This is why 70 years Olds shouldn't have any power or influence over stuff directed at the youth

[@WilliamMightyRed]

I'm still upset that the Egg didnt make it into the Rumble...

[@constablekennedy7705]

Super Shane appeared again and it’s an Indictment on the WWE that they keep relying on guys like him and some ‘Celebrities’ to make their shows more Watchable ….

[@musicmania4592]

Rollins vs Shane.... are you kidding me ?? That's the worst possible match for Seth

[@Absinthexx7]

The idea just brings back braum vs Shane vibes for me. I do like Shane but some of the stuff he gets himself involved with is so weird and I don’t think anyones willing to say it’s a bad idea bc it’s Vince’s son lol

[@trtx84]

I didn't even process that because I was still in shock over the suggestion that Shane was going to be in the Elimination Chamber. My God he barely survived getting to the ring at the Rumble and now you're gonna put him in that?!

[@num1Jaysta]

@@Absinthexx7 Remember Miz vs Shane and he lost the feud!

[@Absinthexx7]

@@num1Jaysta I literally completely forgot about this feud. I had to dig deep in my brain to remember miz was the face in this lmao

[@jaboba69]

Vince paid Owen's big bucks to be a jobber lol

[@omegaman6494]

And Sami Zayn!!

[@khesipresents1885]

Did you really think Vince would push Owens as one of his golden boys?

[@khesipresents1885]

@@omegaman6494 Sammi will be beating nakamura soon for the belt

[@Charsi_Escobar]

@@khesipresents1885 probably told him everything that he wanted to hear that would keep him from going to AEW 🤣

[@khesipresents1885]

@@Charsi_Escobar and Owens believed Vince randomly thinking he'll be an exception to ziggler or Cesaro...damn fool ...at least his family got richer

[@85futureshock]

Its good to know the inept spirit of WCW still lives on. Only the “stars” matter. If you work hard and are there full time, unfortunately, you are meaningless. Shane is the modern day George Gulas.

[@tedpilledtonysoprano5512]

Shane is the modern day Horace Hogan.

[@thepolarphantasm2319]

@@tedpilledtonysoprano5512 Shane is the modern day Erik Watts

[@mclovin6039]

@@tedpilledtonysoprano5512 horace hogan! You've popped me with that. 🤣😂👍🏼

[@user-uo1qr6vn1q]

Shane McMahon is back as an in-ring performer? And working with one of the 5 top guys in the company? 🤦🏻‍♂I just don’t understand how people VOLUNTARILY watch this stuff anymore.

[@OscillatorCollective]

It literally HURTS to be a wwe fan right now…it’s a complete disaster.

[@rizwan9159]

Aew is the worst company

[@Almaraz15]

@@rizwan9159 poor wwe mark. Keep watching the crap that wwe produces

[@iwasbroco6126]

@@rizwan9159 lol sad little wwe fanboy.

[@thepolarphantasm2319]

@@rizwan9159 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@num1Jaysta]

@@rizwan9159 Sad dude

[@clarissa182]

HE WAS GOING TO BE WHERE, FEUDING WITH WHO, FOR A MATCH WHERE??! How was that even an idea??!! 🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️

[@jonathanschmeh5709]

I hope we stop hearing from people who think everything would be better if Shane was in charge. The entire family believes that they are the stars of the company and will always push themselves to the front.

[@trtx84]

It's a sign of how bad things are getting in WWE that they've had Brock/Roman earmarked for Mania for probably a year now and here we are only a few months away and they STILL can't stop f**king around with the booking to get there. Roman screwed him out of his title. Okay good there's your kickoff. Oh wait now he's won the Rumble. Okay now Roman can't dodge him. Sure whatever. Wait now Brock is in the EC? WHY?! If they wanted to do a title v title tease why in God's name would you have taken the belt off Brock at the Rumble? The men's Rumble was a waste. Because everything they did was meaningless the second Brock came out and tossed everyone in a minute. But now it's doubly pointless because he's in the EC for a title shot anyway. And let's say Brock wins. NOW WHAT?! They said if Charlotte won as champ she'd pick her title challenger at Mania. So if Brock is champ and Rumble winner why would he get to challenge Roman? Because if the argument is "Oh he can pick Roman as his challenger." Well then how is that any different than the Rumble winner picking which title they're gunning for? This whole thing is dumb and it's rendered everyone on the roster who isn't Brock/Roman an afterthought. Lashley was a monster for all of 2020 but then he won his first title off the *MIZ* and his second because Roman beat up his opponent. Woooo...... Also, did anybody else involuntarily scream when Dave mentioned the plan was originally to put Shane in the Elimination Chamber? Especially if Brock was in there. I don't want to see him die in the ring but WWE seems convinced that's the route to take.

[@MrDp115]

Spot on this is mind-numbing as f*ck. I mean even explaining it is all kinds of wtf. So much overbooking its ridiculous smh.

[@hiddenbutdeadly]

Becky vs Lita at the Chamber.... I hope all those Liv stans/Bianca stans are happy, THIS is the WWE Formula you don't EARN a title match anymore, you are ALLOWED a title match where as Part timers-Legends-HOF are GIVEN title shots I wouldn't mind if Lita had actually done something other than "me-want-title-match" and spent 15 minutes in the rumble, cos if you think Becky is losing? HA! Don't be surprised if it's Becky vs Michelle McCool at WM...

[@masha.6072]

Shut Up, Smark! Fans Asking For Years For This Match! Did U have this energy when edge or Oldberg came back? I guess no.. U hypocrite! Stay mad 😘

[@wallyrosario654]

@@masha.6072 oldberg? Yes absolutely the same energy. Edge who earned his Wrestlemania main event winning the royal rumble like you should? No not the same at all.

[@masha.6072]

@@wallyrosario654 Not the same?‘ Gurl the hypocrisy with u male wrestling fans is insane 🤣🤣😂 Like 4 real.. Lita deserves it, period! U can stay mad, bish

[@hiddenbutdeadly]

@@masha.6072 Yeah, you're just showing the kind of person you are right now Edge entered at number 1 and went the whole mile to EARN his title match Lita entered 26, lasted MAYBE 10 minutes and was eliminated by being an idiot - Next night she goes out and gets a title match regardless Try harder!

[@DrunkLeprechaun]

I was at the Rumble and everyone was pissed when Randy was eliminated. WWE has booked Orton like trash every time he returns to St. Louis. Even if Randy doesn't win the Rumble at least make him look strong and make it to the finish. You can see a dramatic difference how AEW books their talent returning to their hometown and WWE.

[@plonkersbro]

As soon as I heard about the scooter race I immediately thought of Trevor in GTA V and his scooter bothers character switch scene

[@mikhailpetrov40]

ScccOOOOoooterr brothers

[@ryanpetty8843]

This is a bit off topic, but I miss babyface Otis. He was unique. Heel Otis is basically just Vader without a mask.

[@carpepesci]

Perfect description of what they've done to poor Otis.

[@michaelsinger4638]

Seth Rollins vs. Shane? No, just no. WWE sounds like it’s such a chaotic mess right now.

[@scottprice24]

Its been a mess for years

[@thepolarphantasm2319]

To paraphrase Chiseled Adonis: "WWE is participating in the necrophilia challenge, because even though it's dead it's still getting fucked."

[@LenGott8345]

Few things here... - First, I'm so glad they screwed up the ending of the WWE Title match and I just gave up on the rest of the show. Cause the Rumble would've did it by default. - Second, I remember when Shane came back out of the blue in 2016 and the monstrous pop he got. That was 6 years ago. It may as well be even longer than that with everything that has unfolded since. If you told me I had a choice between eating a bullet and watching Seth v. Shane, I'd tell you where to put the bullet. This is one of the biggest problems with this company right now. - Third, when you're this kind of clueless about what's going on from day to day as consistently as this company is, it speaks to a lot all at once. The biggest amongst them being, an audience which doesn't care any more than the folks backstage do. WWE knows its hardcore fanatics will lap up whatever's put in front of them, no matter how nonsensical it is. That's why you get Bad Bunny and Shane O Mac among the last four of the Rumble. Once upon a time, it used to be a pretty big deal to be amongst the last four of the Rumble. Now? Doesn't even matter. I've legitimately been run away from WWE the last few years. I gave the Rumble a shot cause I was genuinely excited for Rollins/Reigns and Lesnar/Lashley. One ended in a BS DQ, the other had a run in. I knew there wouldn't be a payoff from the DQ and go fig that Brock announces he's challenging for the Universal Title, yet will still get to challenge for the WWE Title. (Cause Big E couldn't get no rematch for the title he got ripped from him. Nor could Kofi.) WWE's past the point of getting any kind of 'benefit of the doubt'. They deserve NONE. Lesnar/Lashley was a legit dream match and they crapped all over it. Rollins/Reigns was beautifully built on super short notice, done well and of course, the ending was shite. These long reigns historically speaking, usually don't end well in terms of popularity. The most recent case, Hogan, ended up having to go heel in 96 cause he had a stranglehold on the title throughout most of the 80s into the early 90s. WWE hasn't learned that lesson and they're more or less repeating it with Roman now. (What's lost on most from this past Saturday, was Roman throwing down the WWE Title dismissively after he blasted Brock with it. Very emblematic of where the company is right now.) There's nothing to be positive or optimistic about moving forward with this company. They've ruined virtually every great prospect they've had in short order. I have no reason to believe they won't ruin Kid Steiner when the time comes. The Saudis are next to this next card will look very much like a Mania card, cause of course it will. When you're paying what the Saudis are for a house show to entertain your masses, you only get the best. This company will continue to find ways to turn a profit, while not making a single star to ensure they get even more. Riddle winning the Rumble would've definitely been different. I also think Rhea Ripley winning the Rumble would've been even better. Having Rousey tossed by Charlotte would've set up Rousey/Flair while leaving the winner's circle for someone who could've used it immensely.

[@JC-ok4yx]

This described my exact feelings. Thank you for writing this out. I had no expectation for the Rumble because I haven't watched the weekly shows in months. Reigns/Rollins and Lesner/Lashley sounded like they could be good and I used to love the Rumble so I watched. I literally turned it off when #30 came out. My wife asked, "Aren't you going to see who wins?" To which I replied, "it's a waste of time, Lesner wins" and I went to bed with 0% doubt in my mind the outcome.

[@safayetkhan9389]

Yeah man well said. I haven't even watched WWE in 4 years (since Jinder won the WWE title) and even hearing from others of what happened makes me pissed off. Thank God for AEW.

[@LenGott8345]

@@JC-ok4yx I turned it off after Lashley won, cause I already knew what it was going to be for the Rumble. Sure enough, Brock enters at 30 and wins. I've thrown in the towel on this company a long time ago as far as watching on the regular. There's no point in watching cause none of these storylines have meaningful payoffs and far too much that happens has no meaning. Wins and losses are moot. When you consistently tell your audience that nothing that happens on your weekly shows matter, why invest time in a Premium Live Event when even less will matter? I honestly would've had Reigns lose to Seth, while Brock retained. Reigns embarks on the next phase of his journey on this time, he has no title and no Special Counsel to protect him. No Special Counsel to ensure he can get in the Rumble. (Remember, he burned the candle at both ends with management so they're not feeling obligated to help him like they did when he was champ.) Brock torments Roman who goes even further off the rails, pushing his cousins away. Heyman starts feeling bad for Roman, as he sees how much his presence is missed. End of the day, Lesnar/Reigns happens at Mania and Heyman turns on Lesnar as Roman snatches the WWE Title away from Brock. Instead, they keep Roman as champ which is seriously getting stale.

[@MADGUNSMONSTER]

Welp, with the return of RR, Bianca Belair falls further down the pecking order.

[@connerhuston2613]

Yes I mentioned that also. I think though she may get a title shot a Becky(and Maybe even win at WM) But yeah she falls and people below her falls.

[@erikprestonTV]

How is Shane, who is in his 50's, allowed to come back whenever he wants for a Wrestlemania feud, but Kurt Angle who is an all-time great and Olympian has a losing streak and gets beat into retirement by Baron Corbin?

[@thepolarphantasm2319]

"Long Term Nepotism." - Vince

[@shaq32]

How did Lita earn a title shot ? Sweaty Shane is back

[@darkstorm1776]

Dude, there were glaring spots in the Rumble match where the fans were silent, because no one in the ring was credibly a potential winner and they'd already thrown out a bunch of great wrestlers. I didn't see the point of the Rumble up to the point of Lesnar coming in. If you wanted to watch this year's Rumble match, you could've just watched it from number 30.

[@johnmancini4403]

Shane, scooter matches, Middle Eastern blood money, what's not to love?! 🙄💩

[@Funkmonkv1]

I dunno why they aren’t doing Ronda vs Becky & Charlotte vs Sasha at WM.

[@joshuamessenger]

"Roman Reigns vs Brock Lesnar is the big match of the year" IT'S BEEN EIGHT YEARS...... JFC give me something new.

[@Jeff_Pryce]

Wow. If the reports are true, they should never let Shane McMahon near booking ever again. That was one of the worst Royal Rumbles I’ve ever seen.

[@trtx84]

It sounds like the reason it sucked was because up until potentially the day of everything Shane had planned kept getting ripped up by Vince. Until we saw that play out literally on screen as the entire rumble was thrown out when Brock came down the ramp and tossed 8 guys in 5 minutes to win.

[@emperorjack8946]

Shane vs rollins no thank you. Just give me edge vs styles.

[@tygertailzz2]

I’ve watched every Royal Rumble. This was the worst by far. Every year keeps getting worse.

[@richardcoreno]

Vince just enjoys screwing around with all involved -- because not one person has the guts to rip up his late edits and tell him to get back prowling around tanning salons.

[@ravanpee1325]

It's just a power move from thim to shake everything up without any concern for the outcome or the actual match/storyline etc.

[@AnthonyAnalog]

"prowling around tanning salons" the accuracy 🤣🤣🤣

[@AkamoriRivals]

It's really sad that even people like Dave and Bryan, who have dedicated their lives to professional wrestling, and literally cover it as a job, sound so insanely bored and confused while talking about it.

[@milk_bath]

I hope they take care of their mental health. WWE has to be taxing.

[@Funkmonkv1]

No dq finishes on Raw, Vince must have not been there or he lost his mind,

[@santanu-fr]

Imagine still watching Shane Mcmahon in 2022, talk about cheap

[@khesipresents1885]

Rather watch a jobber named hook instead?

[@ApeSapiens]

Imagine still getting potatoed in the face by Shane McMahon in 2022.

[@RavenGlenn]

@@khesipresents1885 lol you wwe fanboys are hilarious

[@darkace9194]

@@khesipresents1885 lol you're a self admitted vince blower your opinion does not matter here

[@khesipresents1885]

@@darkace9194 ofcourse it won't matter...this is an anti Vince and WWE ecochamber after all ..

[@GrandArchPriestOfTheAlgorithm]

The only place I want to see Shane McMahon, is as the overseer of a Round Robin tournament. Anywhere else, just forget about it.

[@crazyvitod]

What ever is going on with Dave’s computer was the storyline I never knew I wanted

[@xadamx94]

It’s more interesting than anything wwe told lol

[@lesterwink23]

If we're getting Charlotte vs. Rhonda at Mania, I'd like to see Becky face either Bianca or Rhea...both of those, if given the proper time, would be great matches

[@babinghose1954]

@@dreamshakejunya after raw bianca squash becky in 12 seconds

[@Th0rvidTheViking]

It's almost like when a company only cares about one storyline and one championship, it makes everything else incredibly boring to sit through knowing all it's doing is setting up that singular thing they care about.

[@Spideysense12]

3:18 proof that Meltzer’s an android

[@markreshetargremlins]

3:20 Jesus Christ meltzer turned into optimus prime with that one.

[@Grim19931803]

Not just me then hahaha

[@markreshetargremlins]

@@Grim19931803 nobody: Dave meltzer: BROØÖŒÇĆK

[@buck342443]

I think Lita getting back into the ring is a big mistake, it's one thing to do a couple of rumble spots it's another to work a full match and I don't know if her neck is able to handle that, at the very least don't ask her or let her do a moonsault.

[@johnj2809]

I would agree that the Royal Rumble was boring. What made the Rumble great was the surprise and shock value or even to use it to launch new stars. It's kind of hard to get excited about something when you know who is going to win.

[@TroystonB]

Shane has been trying to put himself over at the expense of full-time talent for years now. Remember him fighting off the three members of Legacy way back when? Not to mention the crazy bumps that other guys just can't risk doing...

[@PhenomenalOne1000]

And Aj Styles

[@TroystonB]

@@PhenomenalOne1000 a long list...

[@zackreynolds21]

“I thought that was really weird booking” that’s an understatement if I’ve ever heard one. WWE SUCKS

[@MrGeo-EmitFodrol]

The minute Seth walked out on Raw fine I literally just walked out of my room lol

[@johnwetmore9559]

I watched the Rumble last night. I had to fast forward through Miz match. Fatigue was so high at that point and that match felt about as fun as taking another dump when you have dysentery.

[@scottshaffer7296]

Could have been if some nxt stars were in the rumble matches, maybe,

[@WillS724]

Royal rumbles have been the same for how many years now.. there's ALWAYS fodder in the match to beef up someone's elimination numbers.. anyone ever think Tugboat or a Doink was going to win a royal rumble? Lol

[@polsdofer]

A scooter race? Did I hear there was a fucking scooter race?

[@Charsi_Escobar]

Yes ma’am 🤮

[@nateamstutz2]

Yeah it was terrible

[@codycurry52]

I don't watch WWE but the Rumble is usually a fun watch. This was by far one of the most boring Rumbles I've ever seen.

[@TheLoos3Goos33]

Seth not selling the chairshots from the rumble is just par for the course in WWE. Remember how the almighty Ronda had a chair around her neck get stomped on by Charlotte, then come back the next night and beat Ruby with Liv and Sarah at ringside without any problem. This company tries to get you to never care about anything that happens.

[@PaulReed]

There is no spontaneity at all. I don't just mean the RR it's WWE in general. The formula doesn't change and it won't until either Vince leaves for whatever reason or their contract is up and they're forced to make changes. The opening match was great until the finish and the rest of the show was a steep drop down after that. I skimmed it all. Both rumble finishes say what they do continually - they are willing and more than happy to both pay a fortune for one person and essentially tell the rest of the division that they don't matter.

[@TheGekko135]

If they didn't think this was going to end up as a boring rumble, then this gets to be their wake up call. A predictable outcome is one thing. But when this the entire thing lacks star power, storyline, or excitement. A predictable finish just becomes that much worse. I forget what year it was, but the super booing Roman out of the building finale was a great rumble up to the end. Because people thought other wrestlers had a chance. The Brock destroys everybody rumble was brilliant because of McIntyre and the chance they took on him. They undid that last Sunday.

[@jasontheworldisyours]

They booked the Womens Royal Rumble 100 times better than the Mens Royal Rumble. The Womens Royal Rumble should have ended the show

[@Vesperitis]

Are they still calling it the 'Elimination Chamber'? I thought they were changing it for the Saudi show.

[@khesipresents1885]

Blame yourself for not taking rumors with a grain of salt

[@thepolarphantasm2319]

Saudi Execution Box Premiere Live Event 💯

[@wrestlingseeker4613]

Shane v seth ? Oh god

[@jamiel4803]

I don't think God is in this one

[@Luke.S2099]

Would have been amazing if Seth was in the Rumble, still in his Shield gear.

[@freakzeke6404]

Surprised Rey didn't win to get in. I guess being on the cover of 2K22 gets you no guarantees

[@MrZilvis78]

what kinda shit show is happening anymore, Owens re-signs to have to sell to lame bad bunny then eliminated by Shane who I thought was out of wrestling. None of what little I bothered seeing was good in that pay per view...what it is...and 2 former ufc people win the big matches , gg wwe.

[@bfunderb5899]

Undertaker will probably win next year at this rate

[@omegamark9178]

I stopped watching wwe six years ago after being a fan for 30 years,,,and when i hear about stuff like this,it tells me it hasn't changed,only gotten worse

[@MrGeo-EmitFodrol]

Honestly I don't really have any issues with the Women's Rumble other than a few questionable eliminations and how long or short a few people had. Tbh having all the suprise entrees made the women from the current roster feel more important and gave them a better chance to win ( even if we all knew either Ronda or Charlotte was 100% winning... ) Where as in the Men's Rumble nobody felt important. I was ok knowing ( for days to weeks ) that Brock was winning the Rumble ( it makes logical sense so I'm fine with it even if it is obvious) the issue is how we got there... The Rumble was booked like a typical WWE show or PPV lately starts off with potential and fizzled out... The best part of this Rumble was who started it. Everything after that fell flat. This match should of been half legends ( some actual legit entrees ) so that the 15 stars you picked from td were more important 1 Lesnar 2 Drew 3 Big E 4 AJ 5 Nakamura 6 KO 7 Kofi 8 Finn ( who wasn't even in it ) 9 Sheamus 10 Omos ( reluctantly ) 11 Rey 12 Orton 13 Riddle 14 Sami 15 Someone who can even for a few seconds make you think oh shit is he getting a random push... So they could all feel like AJ and have people go ok probably not but maybe... ) Having jobbers, most tag teams, and even mid carders flood the Rumble makes it feel like even if Brock wins who cares who is he beating??? PLUS GETTING TO THAT POINT IS FUCKING BORING...

[@alkiline9199]

which is more believable? WWE tells Dave everything he wants to know and at the last minute they change it OR WWE simply doesn't tell Dave meltzer future booking

[@AnthonyAnalog]

You have to be lobotomized to watch WWE without being paid to do so.

[@danielbrennan7613]

Or maybe sodomised

[@jrrodrigo1138]

In all fairness, Seth sold the pain quite a bit on RAW. Constantly favouring his shoulder and whatnot

[@randylynch4330]

Rollins limped to the ring, struggled to sit and stand, didn't do his over the top entrance and winced when he did.....but according to Bryan, that is not selling a beating from days prior? The gaslighting sometimes is fucking ridiculous. Was he supposed to come our in a bodycast?

[@chestercooperpotscha]

Dave , Go back and read the Reddit thread about the live rumble everyone knew Brock was going to win every person in that arena new Brock was going to win. This was terrible booking plain and simple.

[@trtx84]

Bryan has said it numerous times, but "predictable" doesn't have to mean bad. Because in wrestling, a "predictable" storyline just means you're laying it out in a way that fans can follow and get excited about. Brock coming out at 30 was predictable, but it sucked because the rest of the rumble didn't set up anything. So by the time Brock showed up and chucked everyone you're left wondering "what was the point of anything that came before it?"

[@chestercooperpotscha]

@@trtx84 except Brock was supposed to be a "Surprise". They painted themselves into this corner of a major show.

[@MisterAlerion]

No Kane in the Rumble, AJ Styles tossed out way too early, no NXT stars like LA Knight, Ciampa or Grayson Waller. Not one returning legend or Forbidden Door entrant from Impact/NWA like Trevor Murdoch, Tyrus, Morissey, etc. Add in some of those moments, and book the actual action in the match to be more exciting. We needed better elimination spots for young guys like Montez, Boogz, Otis, etc to build up their abilities. Re order some of the stars so they have time together at the end to run an interesting 5 minutes where you ask whos going to win? A false elimination on Lesnar would have added a lot. Three on one like they did to Omos. But have Brock find a way. He should have wrestled Drew for at least 2 minutes before Drew was tossed out. It was booked lazily with no heat no surprises and no believability.

[@Barfbagdontsag]

Where was Cesaro during this rumble? Why not bring WALTER, Ciampa, Steiner, or someone in?

[@spac18]

They didn't use any NXT guys

[@ajgonzalez8451]

Why is Brock Lesnar in the elimination chamber match for the WWE Championship? He won the Rumble and WWE has made it abundantly clear that they really.....REALLY want Reigns vs. Lesnar at Mania. There are other wrestlers who can take that spot.

[@DJones-tm3qi]

Dave's smacking noises should be used in the next Conjuring movie, Jesus that's disturbing LOL

[@Ryusuta]

Wait, did Bryan manage to get through the entire intro without being interrupted? WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO DAVE MELTZER!?

[@alkiline9199]

Randy didn't arrive late to the show and it isn't possible to arrive late in the rumble so it seems it was just a potshot by Dave who still harbours a grudge for randy for him burying the khan family and aew

[@matthewhenri]

Who??? Who is asking for any Shane McMahon matches? Show me these people clamoring for more Shane in their television screens? So incredibly stupid.

[@danielbrennan7613]

Shane V Okada in the Tokyo dome 😉

[@oscarh9265]

Shane was a gimmick that in rare events was cool, but that ran its course when he was constantly shoved down our throats a year or so ago, now its another wwe joke

[@ravanpee1325]

He's a one trick pony...jumping from things

[@turtlehead2]

I would have Charlotte lose the belt Friday to Bianca and have Rousey challenge her. Or Sasha under the same conditions.

[@chrisdebello4547]

The WWE has released Shane McMahon effective immediately and wish him the best in his future endeavours. Not really. Damn! The two many thought would battle for control of WWE (Shane and Triple H) are now on the outside looking in.

[@misterx6346]

You mean changing something 31 times in the last hour before it happens is bad? WWE doesn't know.

[@alkiline9199]

Dave how about just saying you got it wrong instead of saying everyone else either lied to you or vince changed at the last minute to a seemingly fair booking but is still senile

[@gregthegroove]

Weak storylines. No new stars. Boring. Stupid. No continuity. No adult storylines. An entire Royal Rumble full of mid carders who had zero chance of winning. No explanation, no backstage angle why Brock and how he entered the Rumble match. Just weak explanations from the play by play. No love. No soul. No creativity. No vision. No clue. Vince is lost and has literally forgot how simple pro wrestling is to book. Good god. It’s so bad at WWE these days. It’s beyond just saying it sucks. It’s at a point where I’m tired of saying it. Just sad.

[@nayrjones43]

"Randy Orton in a Scooter race" wait what?

[@PhenomenalOne1000]

Thats why i miss the randy orton from 2009 hell 2020 orton Atleast

[@WhipDarling]

Does this mean that Raw Underground is coming back and Shane is going to look competitive against top stars? Pass me the noose please.

[@slipknuts]

I wonder if it’s all a work to get Shane over as a heel sinc he’s apparently going to be one going into mania.

[@misfyt_mcfly3084]

Shane really is trying to get the belt!

[@jeffmazziotta]

I wonder if its the idea of Kayfabe Roman like- If I lost my match (due to disqual) then Brock you are losing your match as well. hence it allows roman a storyline reason why he would interrupt Lesner match to make sure Lesner loses as well. But yea its kinda ridiculous that Reigns Lesnar is literally the only thing wwe can do and the Lesnar vs Reigns storyline isnt enough they also need Lesnar to be wrestling in the elimination chamber to try to get that title shot as well. so part-timer Lesnar essentially being the challenger or biggest name/most likely challenger for BOTH universal AND heavyweight championship wtf? they do not need to shoehorn Lesnar into elimination chamber other than as a way to please thier Saudi masters

[@ChazDemNanners]

This is the ultimate payoff for heel Shane O’Mac who won a tournament and actually thinks he was declared the best in the world Kayfabe is dead, it’s real to him dammit

[@henrikschmidt3964]

'Daddy said sell!'

[@christophermcdonald6936]

i feel that dave meltzer works for wwe , he side steps stuff , doesnt really give an honest opinion etc . the other guy on the show is doing a great job , i usually watch wrestlertalk , i know dave meltzer is a legend as far as wrestling reporting goes , so no disrespect , but i wont come back here , checking out shawn russ sapp next .

[@alexmelendez6732]

Too predictable. I would have put seth over. Roman gets # 25 then brock #30. The usos could have came out but seth hits them with chairs and curb stomp and brock eliminates roman and you can even further it. Brock looking at heyman & laughs then heyman laughs back. On smackdown roman demands rematch with seth in street fight. Beats seth brock comes out to pick to fight him at wm. I think that would have been better. For the life of me i dont know why becky is a heel. She could have stayed a babyface to the rebel ronda. This could be easily the female version if rock vs austin face vs face. But wwe booking is ridiculous