Shaping Fire Ep. 64 - Feminized Seeds and Female-Only Breeding with guest Ryan Lee

[@Phil-ld8uv]

Awesome. Dispelling the Myths, great interview and information thank you both. Mahalo and Aloha from the slopes of Mauna Kea.

[@JohnRogers0014]

My trick for good odds with reg seeds is this, At 12" pull all the shorter plants, the Female's seem to take off faster in the beginning of their Veg cycle. The males hold off until later and always seen to tower over the Female going into flowering.

[@StabbyMcStabwood]

Thanks for sharing Shango. Fems are a fantastic tool for new growers, but there is a lot of skepticism. I think it's due to a lot of bad practices in the past.

[@ShangoLos]

Yea, those early fems made with rodelization just didnt work reliably. Modern fems are great to work with though.

[@jaygee3032]

@@ShangoLos but regs are best because we can get epic males for breeding

[@RareWolf81]

Shango your awesome,keep up the great work bro💯💨🌲🌲

[@boosted211]

i was looking for shango in my subscription list. come to find out i wasnt subscribed. we good now. 👍

[@panchitowok]

TY for sharing this podcast with us! Very interesting

[@That-KX-duude]

my mind has been blown. i got here from watching episode 94 i think. im a grower in south africa, ive been breeding for my own use for a few years now. never knew the details of things but ive got some wicked gnarly cultivars. im on a project now of creating S line.

[@JohnathanLee8702]

I'm growing a South African Sativa Landrace Kwazulu quite interesting plant. What would be some good different flower bags of pollen be to cross some branches on the plant with would you guys say?

[@chrisraduner8055]

The elusive Chimera. Great talk 👍

[@ShangoLos]

Dude, right? So elusive.

[@sergiose5767]

Shango Los amazing having The legend Chimera himself. Thank you. If you could just bring Tom Hill..🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@cloddesu1483]

unbelievable, only so few people giving thumb up... Let's see in 15 to 20 years ;)

[@ShangoLos]

Agreed. There is a lot more love coming through the website though. KZbin is under 10% of the total listens Shaping Fire gets so most feedback comes via email and IG. 👍

[@MARLEYANDPEE]

I've tested my s1 clone and she runs stable, If i breed her with a reg male is it possible to still have stable genetics? I have heard mixed reviews about using a feminised females for breeding.

[@ShangoLos]

Your answer is complicated and is in the episode. 👍

[@tedm8492]

In a separate episode Caleb from CSI mentions if you breed with any Chem/OG you're growing with feminized genetics, so those mixed reviews are incorrect.

[@JesseJames83]

It just so happens that the same friend who shames Fem seeds wouldn't watch this if I sent it to him. Ignorance begets ignorance.

[@ShangoLos]

You nailed it. So common for folks to choose not to listen. 👍

[@WisdomIsPrecious]

Shango Los I have a friend who doesn’t like to “use science” lol. I think of it as low self esteem regarding the scientific self probably due to an overly challenging course in high school

[@ShangoLos]

@Blue Catfish Damn. That is disappointing. Thanks for the heads up. Hopefully it will still work out for you.

[@ShangoLos]

@Blue Catfish Instagram deleted his account some time ago. That's why his popular daily Live Sessions stopped. I am not aware of him deleting it himself. But, he got it back in the last couple weeks. I just pulled it up to confirm. I am looking at @riotseedco right now. who knows how long until he gets banned again. Good luck!

[@Shalantu69]

as a 21 yr grower and someone that has smoked 7-8 varieties of "Cookies" he so proudly flaunts, and every singe one of them have had premature seeds, baby boy parts, and sometimes a few viable seeds. To say your friend is ignorant... well maybe this guy has everything invested in feminized. Personally I will find out 100% if "feminized" (true fem.) can be bred with without promoting baby boy parts. pretty sure the offspring will and thus proving that this bastardization practice is just DESTROYING the genetics of the plant. Him saying shit about "they do this all the time in farming" tells me he is just blowing smoke up everyone's ass. It Is a cop out due to the fact that all other farm crops are not a sexual they all have BOTH male and female parts. They are already herms. So it makes me doubt his ass 10x's more.

[@cjnv48]

Is this the same regenerative that sells seeds? They are mia after paying them

[@ShangoLos]

No. Those folks are here: instagram.com/regenerativeseedco/

[@MrBlackdollaz]

I have a question. During this interview Ryan mentioned using two female plants with traits your looking for is a faster way to get the goal, but once you have produced the seeds from that cross, are you supposed to then grow out those seeds and cross those seeds together to further strenghten the traits of what you originally wanted? Or are you supposed to then cross those seeds back to one of the origional parents either donor or original mother? And would that be consider f2? I really wish you guys explained what s1, s1, f1, f2 and so on work and how they get that term. S1 is sort of self explanatory (selfing a plant the first time with two of the same clones or from one brance to another, but where do s2, and s3 come from? Same thing for f2, f3 and so on. And what is defined as a back cross. Really hope you find the time to answer this question 🙏 it would be really appreciated.

[@herbalterrorist420]

A back cross (bx) is crossing back to one of the original parents in a hybrid. Usually anyway. The s2, f2,f3 etc etc are to represent each filial generation. So you would cross 2 plants together and the seeds would be an “f1” however true f1 seeds however need to use fully stabilised (IBL) parents but in cannabis today most people/breeders call the first generation of any hybrid f1 which is kinda incorrect but it is what it is. Then if you grow out the f1 seeds and select 2 plants from those and cross those together the resulting seeds are “f2” (filial generation 2) and so on and so on. S2 and s3 are the same situation except you use a single plant and it’s clones. Tbh tho I’m unsure if the s2 would be using one single plant or 2 different plants from the s1 generation of seeds. That’s something worth looking into I suppose. but it’s generally not a good idea to be making or growing s2 versions of most seeds/strains anyway. Done properly using a ibl or a strain made from ibls you would get more stable results when making s1 seeds. Usually all the s1 seeds will be a very close or identical to the parent. However in today’s cannabis breeding most of not all s1 seeds on the market are made from polyhybrids and not ibls so you end up with a ton of variation with every seed being potentially different instead of a true representation of the parent. That’s usually why it’s not a good idea to grow current s1 seeds or even really make them to sell. Really the majority of f2 seeds that people claim to have are just what’s called an in- cross (ix) and are not true f2 or even f1 seeds due to the parents of the “f1” being polyhybrids and not an in bred line (IBL) I think some people are starting to do proper breeding again but it takes a long time to make just one strain properly an the industry seems to be going in a different direction so most people are just knocking out unstable hybrids of whatever is popular.

[@MrBlackdollaz]

@@herbalterrorist420 Thants a million for this great in depth response. I guess the true distiction will come down to what defines an IBL and when does a cultivar be considered IBL from polyhybrid. Thanks again growmie 👍🏾

[@pwld9133]

i often see a female plant pulling out some bananas if she s in the same pots as many males, and once i pull out the males, she stops to have bananas, so yes i beleive something can happen in root zone where a female shares endophytes with males ...

[@patricksieses53]

😂yeah you got something alright, root bound plants lol😂

[@anthonysantos3021]

After the initial female to female mating, how many seeds should we hunt thru to find the keeper?

[@JohnathanLee8702]

Well a grower using regular seeds could always cut the lights off to sex plants early in veg then back on 18-24 hours for vegging the plant out after determining the sex

[@TheObserver3]

Take a clone and once it roots put it straight into 12 12 lighting and you'll know the sex of your plant in about 2 weeks and you don't have to then go through the reveg process which takes a good bit of time to reverse' just an idea to save time.

[@soulseeker42388]

Seeding out a plant doesn't reduce quality... I have had sticky trichomb covered bud that is full of seeds... (I personally only female to female breed/pollen chuck autoflowers.)

[@findingsolutions198]

8:27 Also hemp is naturally autofertilize herself , why brings tomatoes to the table?