Shariah and womens rights in Libya ᴴᴰ | Magdulein [Ex Muslim]

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[@hongyi99]

I would be a proud father if my daughter grows up to be as brave, confident and eloquent as the women on this panel. You are inspiring and wonderful examples to people everywhere.

[@GreenviewMark]

All of you are modern feminist heros, continue the good work and may your voices never be silenced.

[@marcoamato]

Beautiful woman. . As a a man i stand with them ..

[@NoOne-jh4qy]

Im Libyan , and i stand with you !

[@MohamedMusab]

I'm half Libyan and it's so good to see someone like myself speaking the truth.

[@udanggalah4170]

i think, the main problem of common muslims and including most of their Quranic scholars, are too much "legalistic," (fiqh oriented), as if ayatollah (god guidance) is only one: al Quran (holy scripture). factually, God him self, in very first revelation to Muhammad, is not asking Muhammad to study (iqra) the holy Quran (cos the kitab doesn't exist at that day), instead He command Muhammad to study (iqra) other ayatullah, we called as ayat Kauniyah (universe and all of His Creations in it). That why in serious and encyclopedic Islamic traditional school, we always taught that beside al Quran, there is another god guidance (ayatullah) called ayat kauniyah (the universe and all god creation in it). and for qur'anic scholars, we also know --from al Quran it self, there are two others god guidance (ayatullah), that we as muslims should seek for God Guidances: called as ayat insaniyah (human being) and ayat tarikhiyyah (human history). if common muslims and it scholars, uses all 4 God Guidance in balanced ways, we will not always fall into legalistic point of view when we talking or examining Islam point of view about woman/feminism, politics, evolution, LGBTQ issues, democracy, secularism, separation between religion and state, on terrorism, etc. for me, if sociology, political science, statistics, history on the rise and fall of civilizations/countries (as interpreters of ayat kauniyah and ayat tarikhiyyah) comes to the conclusion that democracy with separation between religion and state, is the best political system in the world for advancement human civilizations, then all Muslims should choose democracy with separation between religion and state, as preferable political system to practice in all Muslims majority countries. also if expert on biology, doctors, psychiatry, etc (as interpreter of ayat kauniyah and ayat insaniyah) , said that beside man and woman (as gender), we also has intersex, hemaprodyte, woman with more testosterones, man with more X chromosome, etc, then all Muslims should choose to agree that god him self gave us guidance / ayat that beside man and woman as gender, there also another genders/pronouns that we should cherish, protect, and respect (cos if we don't respect others God Creations, are similarly with we don't respect our God as their Creator). if we stubborn, only picks, one ayatullah, we called al Quran (holy scripture/ayat Qauliyah), as the one and only god guidance to follow, then muslims and it scholars, will always fall upon into legalistic point of view (fiqh oriented) when we examining what is islamic point view on everything under the sky. wahabbiyah, isis, al Qaida, etc are trapped in this narrow point of view about Islam and its believe. of course, for responsible and encyclopedic islamic teaching, all those narrow point views on Islam are wrong (at least incomplete), misguided, and disrespecting God. umar bin khattab, as on of few sahabah (closed friend of Prophet), several times choose to disregarding some textual issues stated clearly in al Quran, and pick other decision after he choose as Muhammad successor, as leader (khalifah/amir), if there are more fairer and more justice way (socially) on making decision as Amir/Leader, rather than choose from what already state very clear in al Quran. he always choose more fairer and more justice decisions, even others sahabah question his decision. and as we know it, umar bin khattab is one of several sahabah (closed friend of Prophet) that guaranteed (informed) by the Prophet that he is going to heaven. his way of leadership decision, was a hard evidence that the closest friend to Muhammad, also not only consider holy scripture (ayat Qauliyah), but also social aspect, fairness, and justice (ayat kauniyah), when he making decision as a leader. nobody in umar bin khattab time, dare to called umar bin khattab as heretic/bid'ah, kuffar, or infidel. but in modern era, several of loud muslims, loud muslim scholars, and most of jihadist will immediately call us heretic/bid'ah, kuffar, or infidel if we also uses 3 other God Guidance's beside ayat Qauliyah, when we speak, analyze, examining islamic point of view on everything under the sun. how strange is it, if we following completes God Guidance's, then be called as infidel, kuffar, or bid'ah. legalistic approach (fiqh oriented) on Islam has bad impact on advancement of Islamic civilization, and has backward effect on development of its peoples: the Muslims. but yes, in Islamic jurisprudence (ushul fiqh), we also has similar concept with Umar way, but unfortunately has more narrowed approach and clearly far from sufficient to be implemented in modern era, we call them: maslahah mursalah (public good principle) and maqashid syariah (ratio legal over legal specific). if muslims also incorporate social science, biology, technology, history, political science, psychology, etc (as part of rightful interpreter all of God Guidancs/ayatullah), many problem we faced today in many part of Muslim countries, will be addressed in responsible way. Muhammad him self, in his own word (Hadits Bukhari Collection no 6015), said: muslims should follow person with specific expertise on handling matter, so let political scientist handle political matter, health matter should handle by doctors, etc. do not let everything under authority of quranic expert. in general, muslim should treat expert on other ayatullah (scientist as rightful interpreter whole universe and all of His Creations in it, as rightful interpreter human being behavior and it history) equal to expert on holy scripture (al quran). Furthermore, on all wide range of social issues, every new founding/understanding as result from responsible research by scientist, should supersede (abrogate) any old interpretation from holy scripture, cos all of new founding/understanding as result from responsible research by scientist, are also rightful interpreter of God Guidance (ayatullah). falling to do so, should be interpreted as a disqualified argument/opinion. Many argument/opinion base on fiqh (islamic legal specific), kalam (theology) and falsafah (philosophy), factually in most areas are quite obsolete for addressing social, economic, and political problem in modern era, cos most of them are derived only from ayat Qauliyah (Quranic centric), which is an incomplete way to sorting our problem in modern era. Most of old argument/opinion already supersede/abrogated by new founding/understanding as result from responsible research by scientist. Muslims should back to the complete of God Guidance in balance way on solving problem in Muslims world, not only using holy scripture as final say. and stop kuffar/infidel calling game, cos that game from a complete, genuine, and responsible interpretation of 4 God Guidances, is simply un islamic. and, as an open end conclusion, there is a deeper question: why common muslims and its scholars dare to disregarding 3 other God Guidance's? why muslims and its scholars become legalistic (only focus on 1 ayatullah / 1 God Gudance (ayat Qauliyah) called alquran, as if salvation of a civilization fate can be and must be depend on 1 cause only? as brief answer is: corruption and abuse of power by people in high power, it cronies, and big business that closed to muslim countries rulers at that time. all of them, almost single handedly creates and propagate common muslims and its scholars into disregarding 3 other God Guidance's. peoples in power, it cronies, and big business that closed to muslim countries rulers push and push relentlessly to narrow interpretation on morals and public interest thru perverted interpretation on the holy scripture. even, they dare to appoint unqualified islamic scholar as qadi for them to uses as fatwa producers in favors to their vested interest. since then, islamic civilization goes down spiral into inevitable decline from it's greatness. many fatwa produced in their regime will makes serious, genuine, and responsible islamic scholar scratching their head and shocked. fatwa on mihnah policy, on banning printing technology, banning radio, tv, google, youtube, etc, are among of perverted interpretation on holy scripture. it lead to tradition/repetition/reinforcement on using narrow interpretation islamic law for beating and punishing dissent and discontent on social injustice in islamic society. furthermore, it lead islamic society to become close minded, anti science, and trapped in textual approach tradition on just 1 god guidance called al quran (ayat Qauliyah) only, with narrow and more narrow interpretation. common muslim today and it scholar today are the real victims of bad fatwa born from dark alliance between high power, it cronies, big business that closed to muslim rulers before them. lets wake them up, by spreading the real genuine of God Guidance's and it's rightful interpreters that we called: sciences. amen.

[@gooner9439]

how many times will she say erm

[@arabianspringbud2642]

Al Razi : she is very nervous :( and apparently an inexperienced public speaker ...nevertheless she managed to convey the idea brilliantly ..don’t forget what she is doing is not easy ! She is very brave!

[@lily72ad]

What I find hilarious is that despite being the most scrutinized and criticized religion BY FAR, no one who takes on this task comes out with actual valid points against the religion. They only end up describing the failings of human beings - which exist within every community if you were to turn the microscope the other way. This isn’t surprising though, as falsehood will never overcome Truth.

[@emeraldgem2112]

Because East London and Birmingham are such a wide variety of samples... Also, the dowry isn't selling and buying. If a woman doesn't want a dowry, she literally is not required to have one. Most women do, however, not only because of Islam but also because of cultural reasons. In some regions where Islam is the most practiced, it is the women who give the dowry (and not because of religious reasons.) Why are you heavily judging "sharia law" based on a few peoples' injustices toward people? Do you not realize that there are in fact many corrupt people who refer to themselves as Muslim? She mentions all of these "laws" but never once reads the law itself. It all comes down to the family and how well they value their children, males and females alike. If a woman doesn't want to be oppressed by her husband, it is ultimately her choice to marry someone who is pious and a good person. Some girls would get married early and they'd get married to anyone who proposes simply because they want to get married. There are very very very few cases where a well-respected and highly educated woman marries a man of equal respect that gets abused by him. Islam is essentially about the mutual agreement of the spouses. If a woman has a general consent from her husband to go out and do whatever, that is between them. The bottom line is, regardless of what feminists say an ideal society is, society is not ideal. Women in all societies are viewed as less than men and are more prone to being assaulted and taken advantage of. By letting her husband know where she is going, her husband knows where to look and report if anything happens to her. It's not about being obedient to a man, it's about a woman's safety in a messed up world. Remember, Islam does NOT require women to even get married. Let's not forget that there are men who are domestically abused but little do you hear about those cases because there is a stigma around men admitting that they're hurt. Again, this has nothing to do with religion and more to do with the individual. Actually, Libya is full of beautiful people who only intend to keep their families safe. A woman's value in Islam is so high. A mother knows how to take care of her children and is usually closer to them (again, not because of religious reasons). Her kids lose her, and God knows what happens next.

[@shivaughnsirju]

Emerald Gem a woman is half of a man according to the quran.

[@nu7214]

Emerald Gem Kids lose their mothers from the age of 7 if the husband and wife divorce.

[@lily72ad]

Emerald Gem beautiful response and absolutely correct!

[@drkim4077]

When I was Muslim, I feared God, I was more terrified of God than I was of Satan. But as soon as I started questioning the teachings of Islam and the legitimacy of Muhammad as a prophet, it became clear to me that Quran was a book inciting violence on the non-believers and reducing women to objects owned by men. I was horrified by Sharia Laws which seeks gays and adulterers be stoned to death, that those who leave Islam be punished by death by beheading, that a woman’s words is to be believed only if 4 men testify for her. I questioned “how could Islam be a religion of peace”? The final straw was learning about Muhammad’s paedophilic nature and warlord history. Islam and Allah is just pure evil.

[@Bellasie1]

@@drkim4077 I just wish more people saw as clearly as you do. If people reflected on facts rather than blindly following dogmas, we wouldn't even debate about this "religion" in our age and time.