She-Hulk Is Not Fine - Cosmonaut Is Just Being Dumb (Featuring Just A Robot)

[@JUSTAROBOT_AKA_JAR]

We SMASHED this guy.

[@hybridvenom9]

Hey Alexis guy that made a video that literally recommend a another video to kind of have a ruin it and actually said tracing was drama no it isn't it just his content

[@NtGoat_AKA_Goatie]

Ayyeee I FOUND YOUR COMMENT PINNED!!!

[@NtGoat_AKA_Goatie]

@@hybridvenom9 I’ll definitely be doing that 😁, thank you very much.

[@erikbihari3625]

You guys seriously think wanda vision or falcon and the winter soldier are a cake walk compared to She hulk? One them is validating a woman about taking her emotional trauma out on other people, by torturing them, while other says that resources are due for that want them more, not who actually need it! Seriously these two make the mighty ducks animated series look like war and peace!

[@hybridvenom9]

@@NtGoat_AKA_Goatie You're welcome

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

Probably one of the worst things is how Jenn responds to getting her powers. In the comics she LOVED having powers. As a human she was shy, self concious, had an inferiority complex and basically was a mess. Once she got her power she finally felt confident in herself, was able to appreciate who she was and that she was a genuinely likeable person and most important while she was grateful to Bruce for giving her said powers, she still understood that she lucked out in getting a weaker, more controllable Hulk transformation Bruce would've likely given anything to have and was very understanding and compassionate towards Bruce, always being there to give him a hand, a shoulder to cry on and an ear to listen to. You truly believed they loved each other as family members should, which makes how this Jen acts towards Bruce, not just a slap in the face, but a cement covered fist to the jaw by Mike Tyson. If I was Bruce, I'd have told this Jen to fuck off

[@EinSilverRose]

My only exposure to She-Hulk was from Marvel vs Capcom 3 so that depiction of her might be fairly accurate to what she's actually like from what little I know about her.

[@erikbihari3625]

There's definitely place for her character to be interpereted having second thoughts with the powers. But she's effortlessly amazing with them, has no negative consequences because of them, and they go the uneffected girlboss route anyway!

[@TheRichandmighty]

Actually in the Savage She-Hulk series she didn't like her powers but the character is more well known for Sensational She-Hulk which is closer to your perspective.

[@erikbihari3625]

@@TheRichandmighty. Let's hope this show doesn't taint she hulk's reputation in the public eye like Superfriends did with Aquaman or Sonic X with knuckles!

[@painvillegaming4119]

@@erikbihari3625 sonic X didn't taint knuckles

[@N3rv3d4m4g3]

"I control my anger better because I get cat called and sometimes mansplained to", didn't Bruce have a physically abusive father? This writing is so tone deaf

[@ALIEN-DUDE]

Also on the run from the military 24/7, attempted to shoot himself in the mouth and his best friend/potential lover dying.

[@Jakehatred666]

​@@ALIEN-DUDE also also is in constant fear of having a freakout, lost the love of his life because of the hulk (he cant be with Betty), was manipulated into wrecking a city in AoU by Scarlet Witch, was marrooned on an alien planet and forced to be the hulk for 2 or so years, got his ass handed to him by Thanos which contributed to the Snap, lost Nat whom he also loved, the guy cant catch a break but poor Jen gets cat called.

[@littleender3843]

@@Jakehatred666 she also loses it over being exposed with the truth while Bruce was beaten before he transformed

[@drewt1717]

The writers never bothered to even learn anything about Bruce Banner, or blatantly disregarded it so they could push their preferred narrative. Either way, it is highly offensive.

[@kaicreech7336]

Actually I don't think that's a good example? Because Bruce is trauma is completely different from the stress Jess goes through. The constant irritation from sexism is obviously frustrating, but it's not going to cause her severe emotional problems, so she learns to deal with it. Meanwhile the trauma from an abusive parent is going to leave a bigger impact on his psyche, giving him much more complicated and difficult to handle problems.

[@Laxhoop]

I just love how Cosmonaut suggests that She-Hulk is barely antagonistic towards men, when the clip of her calling her suicide survivor cousin who was hunted by the military for a major portion of his life, a b*tch who doesn’t know what struggle even means because he’s a guy, was the clip Marvel used to PROMOTE the show. They used that as their first foot forward. They WANTED people to have the worst moment in the show as their first taste of it.

[@ricniks4619]

I remember seeing that shown when the show debuted not just by incel twitter users like he claims but actual news sources and Marvel themselves. As if they wanted people to hate watch it after seeing a random girl insult Hulk over trauma with something that is not even comparable with many people using the hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby meme to represent the clip.

[@dunkyking6310]

Not to mention, the show's villain is people who don't like the shows, and a terrible stawman of Doomcock

[@Wolffman109]

There were so many disgusting moments in this show; how can you even define a worst moment?

[@nickthepick8043]

Something tells me that he's lying to himself to keep up an appearance. I never liked that guy's attitude.

[@LeoDBW]

What pisses me off is that they could've easily turned it around, instead of having her mock Hulk, they could've her EMPATHISE with him, like "It hard to take control of that anger when you just want to let it out" "Yeah I feel that way all the time too", and have them share moments when they lost control but i guess they just didn't cared about character depth. Apparently empathy is too much of a weakness for their girlboss character 🙄

[@kendraressler4497]

As a woman I am tired of female characters in media like MCU She-Hulk that crap on men for no good reason. You can have a girl boss that still respects men...Princess Peach did that in The Super Mario Bros. Movie and I appreciated that.

[@rainmanslim4611]

So true. A great example of an excellent strong female character is Samantha carter from Stargate SG1. she doesn't overshadow anyone else in the main cast, but she brings something real and appreciated not only to the social dynamics of the team but the practical stuff too. She's the scientist! The egg-head! the techie! The one to bounce techno-babble around the room with other scientist characters and most of the time she delivers a jab to other characters (who arent villains) it's done in a very "banter between friends" kinda way. She's not the powerhouse, that's Teal'c. She's not the leader, that's Jack (though she is very much second in command), she's not the moral centre sacrificing themselves to save everyone else, that's Daniel. Each have a part to play and none blot out the others. She doesn't push others down so she can stand on top of them, she build herself and others up, and they in turn build themselves and her up in a healthy dynamic. Fuck I love stargate.

[@destroyerblackdragon]

She hulk liked Dare devil.

[@Dragonkid1801]

I remember everyone celebrating the trailer that showed that Princess Peach wouldn't be a damsel in distress. People love badass female characters. You just need to write them well

[@InfernosReaper]

@@rainmanslim4611 She does do the leader role decently-enough in Atlantis, but that's after many years of field experience as the second in command. Keep in mind, that's a command which included a dude who was a major jerk towards her for years, yet she does not abuse her position to get back at him.

[@Joshpower57]

​@@destroyerblackdragon an daredevil does a walk of shame... the show did its best to downgrade the character.

[@Eantrin]

That "Hm" from Hulk when She Hulk claims she's better at controlling her anger was beautiful. Probably wasn't meant to but it sounded like he's calling her BS without openly stating it.

[@BiggestfanofGex]

Preach, brother!!

[@dakklay3245]

It kinda speaks about the current state of society. Someone says some blatantly obvious bullshit and the rest of us just kinda have to eat it. Or get cancelled

[@channellastname3527]

​@@dakklay3245 What are you referring to?

[@VITAS874]

​@@dakklay3245 dont eat it. F them

[@OogaBooga24723]

@@dakklay3245no one is getting canceled for this 😂

[@SebasTian58323]

"I can totally control my anger" she says after nearly killing some guys the night before for catcalling her and being a bit pushy. Later on I'm pretty sure she makes fun or mentions all his trauma in a derogatory way as if the fact that it still effects him is his fault and not because he's deeply scarred by traumatic events and tried to self delete himself. Has her life ever been so bad that she tried that? Nope. She lives a privileged life as a lawyer in an expensive apartment and is somewhat attractive but can't find a guy to date because her writers wrote all the guys to be misogynist or incompetent. Honestly a lot of modern media that's supposed to be for modern feminist audiences are just misandric for the sake of propping up the female lead because they don't know how to show a strong female character without putting down the male characters. The show also clearly disregards plot points that it set up previously, like only very specific people can get Hulk powers due to their specific genetics, and yes they do mention that there's a chance other people can use the blood to get powers but some random guy who-as far as i know-isn't even an established character in Hulk or She-Hulk's roster is not the exception to make. I'm sorry but this show knows nearly nothing about She-Hulk's character and the writers literally said they used their own experiences to come up with ideas for the show. Yeah She-Hulk is a bit of a badass, but she's also kind. She helps others and does her job well without constantly making fun of others. Jen was originally much like her cousin in her Hulk form, being ill-tempered and even violent (although with more self-control). With time, however, she became a fun-loving, kind, empathetic, yet still feisty woman who frequently uses humor when fighting. She's is also known for charitable works related to her own mistakes and actions, such as the disaster relief organization she aided after almost destroying a small town in her savage form. Jennifer has at times become dependent upon her powers, viewing her She-Hulk form as being better and more truthful to who she is than that of Jennifer Walters, and opting to remain transformed as much as possible.

[@rkhale02]

Jenn criticizing heroes with "daddy issues" seems kinda out of left field for me personally. Like so they had a rough upbringing and still managed to become more than the sum of their parts and want to play an active role in helping the world, what is wrong with that? It's something both women and men go through and it sucks for both and isn't the fault of either.

[@Rad-Dude63andathird]

Yeah, like, how the fuck is it THEIR fault they had shit parents?

[@hunty.0]

I was about to write a similar comment, but you nailed it better than I would have 👏

[@darwinxavier3516]

TBF, a lot of origins have some kind of parental trauma like death. But this does make her out to be a cunt.

[@ShadyDoorags]

It's more about how samey the writing in the MCU is than it is a gender thing.

[@Droplet_Day]

​@@ShadyDoorags I get that aspect, but people in our world become bad people highly because of bad upbringings, and showing you can overcome it and still be good and do good is a positive in my book and should be more explored.

[@patrickbuckley7259]

Can we just take a moment to appreciate how classy Shady was being in this video by letting his guest star have the limelight in most joke segments? He wrote this and was cool with being the butt of the joke in the closing segment. Pure 100% undiluted class act.

[@117Ender]

it also sets up future cross overs, and its humbling. shady has provided more character growth in 1 video compared to she hulk's entire season...

[@kaicreech7336]

Just wish he'd gotten a guest with better points or jokes.

[@kaicreech7336]

@Raunch Hall I've agreed with basically all of the criticisms of the show itself.

[@ShadyDoorags]

To clarify, we both wrote this, but I did have the final say so and was indeed responsible for the ending joke. Jar, however, wrote the joke for his entrance. The first rule of comedy is to learn to laugh at yourself. As long as it makes people laugh, I don't care if I'm the butt of a joke.

[@Eye_Of_Odin978]

@@ShadyDoorags Even as the butt of a joke, you're still incredibly manly and an intellectual. ;) Keep up the good work. I loved listening to this video between you and JAR while playing DB Xenoverse 2

[@MrNetWraith]

I will concede that She-Hulk is not completely the worst show ever. After all, Velma exists.

[@jadenbryant9283]

And atleasts its not the inhumans

[@lProN00bl]

Bigmouth and the Paradise PD unholy trio exist.

[@twinzzlers]

​@@lProN00blVelma is so much worse

[@Animestar21]

​@@jadenbryant9283nah, She-Hulk is still worse. I've never seen Inhumans, but from what I could tell, it was just stupid, not actively antagonistic. Plus, you could easily forget about it cause it has like zero impact on the larger MCU

[@MASTEROFEVIL]

400th like

[@chaoticneutralgamer3022]

I think this could be boiled down to one statement: "Just because you like something, doesn't mean that other people are 'stupid' for not liking it"

[@strategicperson95]

We are talking about Cosmonaut Variety Hour though. The guy doesn't know how to keep a consistent stance: defends Rey in the Disney Trilogy, but will criticize Sabine from Rebels for the same points others have with Rey. Makes fun of people talking about a Marvel character not being like they were in the comics, but will criticize a Marvel film for being lesser than the comic it was adapted from. As Mauler said, any time someone says they're a fan of Cosmonaut Variety Hour, ask them which version of Cosmonaut Variety Hour.

[@fuckthisstupidasshandleshit]

@@strategicperson95 CVH hates Sabine because she's everybody. He liked Rey because she's nobody. He even says he hates Rey being a Palpatine. He literally said IF it's better, than he likes change. If it isn't, he doesn't. Pretty basic logic.

[@fuckthisstupidasshandleshit]

Is that not exactly what Cosmonaut said in his video?

[@chaoticneutralgamer3022]

@@fuckthisstupidasshandleshit No, it's not. He was calling people dumb for "taking this all too seriously."

[@AG-fn2wc]

@@strategicperson95 its never this serious

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

Also what makes it worse is She-Hulk is a likeable character. She's strong, smart, confident and the likely in the comics, but is also compassionate, considerate and even humble at times. She is NOTHING like this wine chugging, work obsessed, ego maniac we're stuck with.

[@lonewolf9578]

Also a narcissist

[@medi0cre_pr0ducti0ns6]

Man commented three separate walls of texts lol

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

@@medi0cre_pr0ducti0ns6 Because I'm a writer, a Hulk fan and a Paralegal, so this series insults me on multiple fronts.

[@medi0cre_pr0ducti0ns6]

@@thefanwithoutaface8105 Oof, I'm only two of those things lol

[@robinjameson4261]

​@@thefanwithoutaface8105 You forgotten individual who actually has some taste. She hulk is definitely an insult to that. All they would have had to do to actually make this even some I decent. They wouldn't even had to read a decent amount of comics. Just watch some of the incredible hulk cartoon that Jen was wonderful. There was also just a couple of fantastic four episodes that had She-Hulk that were wonderful.

[@jordanjoestar-turniptruck]

If even Tumblr says it's cringe, you know it's bad.

[@editornoob4606]

Honestly forgot about Tumblr

[@jordanjoestar-turniptruck]

@@editornoob4606 probably for a good reason

[@editornoob4606]

@@jordanjoestar-turniptruck yeah, deleted it a while back

[@parycartoons6840]

"People just don't like it because Jen said 'dudes don't rock sometimes'" Jen: *Proceeds to invalidate Bruce's trauma and insult Tony's memory reducing him to a "Billionaire, Narcissist, Adult orphan"* Even ignoring that those are characters people love and are insulted for no other reason than to try and build Jen up by tearing fan favorites down, one of those characters is her own cousin and the other selflessly died to save her and everyone she cares about

[@Rebellions]

Best part about that is Bruce, by doing nothing, inadvertently proves her wrong. Inadvertently because the show wants her to be right. But it proves her wrong because while banner probably WOULD have the patience to deal with cracks at HIM, insulting his friends memory SHOULD have gotten that bitch a free trip to outer fuckin space on the Hulk space program on the spot

[@angbandsbane]

"To save her amd everyone she cares about" Sadly, I think you're being redundant. From what I jear about how narcissistic Jen is in this show, she probably *IS* everyone she cares about.

[@limewater4074]

​@@angbandsbaneHoly shit, you fucking killed her, dude!

[@DemiRurge]

​@@limewater4074 did he? I am pretty sure you can't kill something that is dead from inside.

[@limewater4074]

@@DemiRurge Fair enough

[@katrin72091]

The show lost me the moment Jenn mansplains Hulk powers to Hulk

[@knju1monsterhunt656]

-womansplains

[@princessmarlena1359]

…and whines about being cat called.

[@MarvinPowell1]

@@princessmarlena1359 ...To a suicide survivor who was hunted by the military most of his life. Coming from a woman who twerks with Megan Thee Stallion and has no less than three catfished one-night-stands over the course of about a month or so.

[@rhondahoward8025]

Keep in mind that even Doug, who had a more measured opinion about She-Hulk, straight up admitted that he stopped watching the series because he just couldn't take it.

[@chanbear2005]

Doug Walker?

[@shadowrosegaming3566]

Yeah Doug who?

[@dineez627]

Is that poof?

[@N.I.A23]

Caut Crawler???

[@vernonhampton5863]

She-Hulk is the most accurate comic show every, is FALSE. 1) Her practice is NYC 2) Her father is a Sheriff and her mother is dead 3) She is friends with most of the hero community. The show she has 1 friend 4) She's a good lawyer. 5) She has a supportive relationship with Bruce. And that is just five differences.

[@MysteriousTomJenkins]

Also, she got Hulk powers when she was dying and Bruce gave her a blood transfusion, in the show some of Bruce's blood falls into an open wound. Also she wasn't as confident in her human form, the She-Hulk form brought out confidence but I don't really see a change in personality when she's She-Hulk compared to when she's Jen.

[@jcwatson4639]

@@MysteriousTomJenkinsthey couldn’t have her be saved by a man

[@vernonhampton5863]

@@jcwatson4639 FTBS, there 90s cartoon did it better.

[@aozorahaou2643]

Hell, if I recall, she prefers to use her She-Hulk form even in everyday life because of said confidence boost it gives to add on to the supporting relationship with Bruce I heard tried getting to see Hulk as not a curse to bring a whole new perspective of the Gamma radiation mutation Bruce has.

[@bad-people6510]

And she was so powerful in the comics that her first real foe was... a gym rat who was hyper-motivated by hypnotism. She didn't get really powerful until she got a second dose of gamma radiation and stopped transforming pretty much all together. She was also spunky and likeable, and the only man disparaged in the run that introduced everything anyone likes about the character was John Byrne, the guy who created all the things people like about her, and who thinks this show is garbage.

[@Joshpower57]

It was an idiotic take from the guy. I've been a comic book reader since 2003, and no. She hulk isn't like that in the comic books. She's actually very focused on taking care of others. My first introduction to her was civil war Frontline. She was representing speedball and discussing his options.

[@sev1120]

If I recall, her need to help and take care of people is why she became a superhero lawyer

[@connerthewubbzler1062]

Let's be honest, what take WASN'T idiotic from Cosmonaut?

[@kronos661]

@@connerthewubbzler1062 Prequels aren't as bad as people say.

[@connerthewubbzler1062]

@@kronos661 Lol, I didn't even know that was a thing people were saying...unless, wait did he mean the Star Wars Prequels?

[@kronos661]

​@@connerthewubbzler1062 That's exactly what he said and that's exactly what I mean.

[@Shiirow]

"Jen looks at the camera and says this isnt a show about superheroes, its about lawyers." In which the show utterly fails at because the writers obviously know nothing about how the law or practicing attorneys work. Id rather watch a show about incompetent superheroes than incompetent lawyers.

[@icecreamchief5417]

Play Phoenix Wright, at least it's fun as opposed to this.

[@AquaStockYT]

Okay hear me out Jen: - Gets thrown into a world she isn't familiar with - Suddenly finds out she's special - Gets GIGA OP Powers - Every man finds her attractive - Everyone likes her/hates her in radically emotional blocs - Literally almost never actually received consequences for her actions She-Hulk is an Isekai for white women. That's who this was made for.

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

She-Hulk in the MCU is more like an Isekai for SJWS which they rarely if ever buy the products they’re consuming.

[@MrDj232]

I love Isekai, and even I have to admit that most Isekai are trash. Dead Mount Death Play has been fantastic so far though.

[@bridgettelair370]

Look I read a ton of isekai for women, She-Hulk is not like them, my trashy girly isekai is way better! But seriously a lot of isekai for women are kind of dark or have some dark scenes to them and not particularly about power fantasies so to speak (although the being special thing and the hot guys is true), some good ones are Villains are Destined to Die, Kill the Villainess, I Fell into a Reverse Harem Game, Roxana, Kanata Kara, Red River, Magic Knight Rayearth, I Reincarnated as the Little Sister of a Death Game Manga's Murder Mastermind and Failed, etc.

[@darwinxavier3516]

I would agree except for the first part. Seems like she's been a part of the metahuman world for a while. Or was she not already dealing in hero/villain cases before getting her powers. So this is just standard Mary/jerk Sue wishfulfillment.

[@phantom8926]

The fact that white women have rarely ever been held accountable for shit, this is perfectly accurate.

[@mellow6527]

its not sexism i just want actual characters with flaws

[@bdhhsgbyddhggg]

There was one joke I found funny in the whole show It’s the one where the villains are talking and the one guy says something like “people assume just because I’m Spanish that I’m also a bullfighter” or something like that, then one of the other guys tries to correct him by saying “I think the term is Hispanic” and he looks at the guy and says “Have you…not heard of Spain?” The way he delivered the line was a lot funnier than if you just read it

[@noirhelios]

The only merit to Cosmonaut’s statement of She-Hulk not being the worst show is that Velma exists

[@TheonlyMaskedMime]

Anything is better with a bar that low

[@painvillegaming4119]

@@TheonlyMaskedMime the bar is so low it is a tripping hazard in the underworld but somehow here it is limbo dancing with the devil

[@Ramsey276one]

Hmm WHEN did that video come out?

[@TheonlyMaskedMime]

@@painvillegaming4119 what worse is that something will come out that is even worse somehow.

[@painvillegaming4119]

@@TheonlyMaskedMime it so low it giving satan a blow job

[@MrDj232]

So after insisting that the show is inoffensive and just says "guys don't rock sometimes" Cosmonaut turns around at 16:15 and admits that the show insults men every episode.

[@Wolffman109]

Careful and reckless diction, remember?

[@JonathanThe501st]

I had a dream last night where Cosmo was actually an alternative account for MovieBob. I feel that is worth mentioning.

[@astroboy6515]

I've never read a shehulk comic, but what I've grazed online is actually fairly good. Specifically, hee hulk transformation reveals that its mostly mental. Its a release of your inner self, specifically who you want to be. Apparently Jennifer Walters was one of those women who never felt like a woman. Between no self confidence and no male attention, She-Hulk represented who Jenn wanted to be. I once saw a panel where she was coming down from a proper hulk rage in the woods, and Bruce was there to help. He almost collapsed from guilt, thinking he ruined her life. Even as she was coming down from her rage, she took the time to hug him and tell him he saved her. She loves her life as she-hulk. Plus, this serves to reflect Bruces' mental health that his mind needed an unstoppable rage monster to manifest to 'save him'. I have only caught clips of the show, but they all go against this rambling comment. So this show can eat a cock. Good work guys

[@lamarlewis1720]

The show was meant to lead to that. In the beginning of the show she resented it by the end of the show she loves being she hulk. It's just her journey to that point.

[@astroboy6515]

@Lamar Lewis oh. Well that actually sounds good. Huh

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@lamarlewis1720 But there's no journey between the two. She goes from not wanting anything to do with She-Hulk to only using it to get laid or fight Titania up until episode 7 where Daredevil tells her she can do good which just ends up with her putting his notch on her bedpost. The only times she actually cares about being She-Hulk happens twice: When Titania sues her over the name She-Hulk and in the last episode when she wants to get back at Intelligencia for messing with her. Both times it's more about petty revenge than wanting to be She-Hulk.

[@VentrexTheXVth]

​@@lamarlewis1720 if only they could've showed that on screen

[@sev1120]

Bruce was treated as a piece of shit by his father, and his only escape manifested in different hulk personas. The Hulk is a reflection of the monster his Father was. Violent, spiteful, and perpetually angry. Joe Fixit was born because his only escape was watching gangster movies, and Joe Fixit is who he wanted to be. Someone who was, quite literally, large and in charge.

[@mattphillips3537]

It’s funny that everyone complains about that speech but no one ever points out the irony that he was just sitting there with a smile on his face while she was yelling at him that he’ll never be as good at controlling his anger as her.

[@cidlufaine9044]

Yeah because, like the audience, Hulk knows she’s in the wrong. The show makes this clear by showing her transform unintentionally.

[@herowithoutcap6369]

​​@@cidlufaine9044 Then why she never has to actually learn how to control herself? And hulk actually even says sorry to her and not the other way around, and she even goes back to her life like nothing happened?

[@cidlufaine9044]

@@herowithoutcap6369 Because she’s a flawed character. Even the second to last episode shows that she’s not perfect when she loses control. Bruce apologizing is definitely because he just doesn’t want to deal with her getting mad again and just wants to drop it.

[@herowithoutcap6369]

@@cidlufaine9044 Then why on does moments, non of her friends or anyone tells her that she needs to control herself? This moments happen but then the show and the characters act like its the fault of others. And about the hulk argument, if he was actually mad at her, then he would not have said sorry, and the fact that he has a bad relationship with her should come up later, but instead they take out hulk from the show until the final, where there was no progress from her and instead she alters reality so everything just happens the way she wants without saying sorry to anyone for her behavior. Like if this plotpoints that you are saying exists, they have to be addressed, you cant make an insuferable person and then make the world just roll with her, and even give her the things she wants without any cost. Like in the end she doesnt thinks about her actions, she just call other marvel products dumb, and instead of making another ending, she just resolve everything with magic, no costs, no apologies for her shitty behavior, and no reason to be invested on the future of her character.

[@kcold3277]

​@@cidlufaine9044 Jen says after her transformation that her turning into She-Hulk was intentional, so that's inaccurate. The writers also have Jen say right before she leaves " I'm sorry I said mean, but totally true things" with no argument on Bruce's part or on the show's part, even during the finale. They still thought that Jen was right when she said that.

[@reviewspiteras]

Cosmonaut is a weasel, that part at 10:01 when he starts to imply that the reason She hulk and Captain marvel are hated is because the protagonist is a woman such a coward tactic. He makes a strawman there and I am supposed to take him seriously? Such dishonest behaviour

[@intergalactictitanium]

To be fair alot of people automatically assume a show is going to be terrible because it has a female lead. You can see it in this comment section as well. Though his viewpoint entirely misrepresents a very large majority of people criticizing the show.

[@Animestar21]

@@intergalactictitaniumthough, that’s mostly because audiences have experienced so many bad female-led projects. It’s like with the live action remakes, there are so many bad remakes out there, it’s hard to trust that one will be good, especially if said remake comes from the same failing source (eg, Netflix and Disney)

[@lasercraft32]

@@intergalactictitanium People assume it will be terrible because its Disney... They beat people over the head with their "message" instead of writing good movies. So yeah, of course people would assume that the female lead movies are going to suck, from experience its usually true (because they don't even try, knowing that if people call them bad they can accuse the critiques of being sexist).

[@michelecastellotti9172]

​@@intergalactictitaniumyou forgot to add "Now" in between those early words. Can you blame us? There is a pattern in their methods and we recognize it, we will ALWAYS be skeptical but sometimes we get very good surprises, Alita battle angel came out in the middle of the early stages of this storm and yet it was well liked even by people who hated other shows and movies which hsd female leads, wanna know why? Because Alita battle angel had good writing. Thats it.

[@johnwelsh872]

Cosmonaut saying the Daredevil depiction was how Matt genuinely is makes me wonder if he actually watched the Netflix show. Dude would not sleep with a woman he met a day before. Everyone thinks the sleeping itself is the problem. It's not. It's that Matt has a very distinct character based on a specific moral system, and even if he hooks up with someone (like elektra for instace) it's not done flippantly, nor does it move that fast. Had a perfect opportunity to make Matt different from the guys she hulk normally goes with, justifying why she might pursue him more seriously...and then they didn't.

[@carolusrex5213]

Ywah people tend to forget that Daredevil is a pretty faithful Christian dude, he isn't the type to go sleep around or party. It's actually an element of him I really enjoy

[@Eye_Of_Odin978]

@@carolusrex5213 Not just Christian, but CATHOLIC at that. He definitely wouldn't have just jumped into bed after the first day meeting her.

[@grahamstrouse1165]

@@Eye_Of_Odin978He’s not a prude. And I’m pretty sure he hooked up with Elektra the first time they met. Matt’s very Catholic but he’s not into purity rings. I don’t think he’d like this version of Jen Walters, though.

[@cidlufaine9044]

@@Eye_Of_Odin978 Yes, Matt is a Catholic. He’s also a guy who dresses up as a Devil and beats people up in an alleyway. Bad people, sure, but still people. He has values but the whole point of his character is that he’s not a perfect devout Catholic.

[@SABBOTT2]

Fuckers claiming Matt's a good Cathic boy, and is always serious. But not reading the comics, and knowing Matt fucks. He fucks ALOT! He gets around almost as much as Nightwing. So does She Hulk, so it makes sense. Honestly shocked that it didn't happen in the comics before. Anyway just wanted to drop this info down.

[@catholiccontriversy]

He's right that it isn't the worst show ever, that dishonor goes to Velma.

[@misterOrca4]

Why not the worse Live-Action show. Now they they're in the same place different category.

[@theredblurb132]

Oh no there's worse out there. Trust me. There's a KZbinr I forget his name that looks up these terrible shows. They make Velma look like a faithful adaptation created with the express purpose of bringing everyone closer together in perfect harmony.

[@jagnestormskull3178]

Probably a hot take, I'd add _Neon Genesis Evangelion_ to the pot. Basically one depressed dude who thought that all of humanity had to be as depressed as him and be incredibly s--tty to each other.

[@jadenbryant9283]

​@@jagnestormskull3178tbf shinji is kinda meant to be not the best human

[@ProfessionalNamielleLewder69]

@@jadenbryant9283Shinji is meant to be a shitty person. Doesn't make the show any less frustrating. If you want a mecha anime that truly represents the flaws, potential and power of humanity, Gurren motherfucking Lagann is the way to go. That's the kind of show you watch if you want to do the impossible and see the invisible. *ROW, ROW, FIGHT THE POWAH!!!*

[@crabcakeenthusiast692]

Cosmonaut: the starwars prequels suck also cosmonaut:

[@liamphibia]

I seriously question his tastes in what's good writing and what's bad writing.

[@WeirdWonderful]

Wait did....they demonise that guy who dated She-Hulk because he has sexual prefferences and wouldn't date someone he's not attracted to ? Am I reading this right ?

[@ShadyDoorags]

Yes. That's what happened. He dated and slept with She-Hulk, but when he woke up the next morning to find Jen, he outright left and the show demonizes him for it.

[@WeirdWonderful]

@@ShadyDoorags How is not disclosing you have a regular human form not on her ? If this was a guy doing it, you bet they'd say he was tricking the woman by withholding his "true" appearance.

[@KEeosFight]

You can tell the actor playing him had the common sense interpretation of the his character and is genuinely a good guy. He even congratulated her on fighting demons but was written a different way

[@foisopracurtir6389]

@@WeirdWonderful And then in other ep she mocks her own client for being catfished by a shapeshifting elf

[@Ramsey276one]

The guy that got Hulkfished?

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

She-Hulk is the furthest thing from FINE I've ever seen in my life. It's poorly written, badly acted, actively insults and hates basically anyone who isn't the arrogant writers and basically torpedos any credibility the MCU had.

[@erikbihari3625]

It's honestly laughable how mutch they ruined the character of she hulk! And i'm not even a comic book fan, but done enough research to know exactly what and why, have ruffled feathers!

[@ProfessionalNamielleLewder69]

Same problems as Velma.

[@anti1training]

Except it doesn't? It's just being overanalyzed and misinterpreted

[@ProfessionalNamielleLewder69]

@@anti1training There are many, *MANY* lines in that show that are impossible to misinterpret as anything else...

[@anti1training]

@@ProfessionalNamielleLewder69 Except they aren't. It's not an anti men show. Just anti jerks, cat callers, and people who complain about female superheroes There's no way for a normal fan or man, to be offended

[@fwa8590]

This guy is not reckless with his word choice, he's *MALICIOUS* . For example, he intentionally called people he doesn't like "Vocal minority", it's so he can frame them as being insignificant and crazy.

[@fuckthisstupidasshandleshit]

That is not malicious. That's normal.

[@879PC]

​@@fuckthisstupidasshandleshit that just means that malice has been normalized.

[@Rad-Dude63andathird]

12:19 She says, while getting pissy in front of an extremely calm Hulk. I... did the writers forget the whole "That's my secret Cap, I'm always angry." was turned into a huge meme? That's anger management and a half but lol okay.

[@mangamandrew]

Anger management is not the same as controlling his anger. Anyone remember age of Ultron where Nate had to calm the Hulk down or the fact the Bruce was stuck as the Hulk for 2 years. That is not Anger management at that point. Controlling his anger means being able to transform and return back to normal at will.

[@VentrexTheXVth]

​​@@mangamandrew you mean in AoU where Portman needed more screentime? Or in Ragnarok where they just copy-pasted World-War-Hulk but didn't give a reason as to why he was there? Yeah I remember those plot-holes the 30 different writers of the MCU made.

[@mangamandrew]

@@VentrexTheXVth one, they were tying Blackbwidow into a romance subplot that went nowhere but still does not disprove that he needed help to stop being hulk. And it was stated that Hulk was sent on a ship to that planets. Most likely the ship from age of Ultron. Do not really a plot hole. But even if it was, it does not contradict the idea that Banner suck at controlling his emotions or the fact that if he gets to excited, he transforms.

[@Shiirow]

it became a meme because it was completely stupid, he gets angry he turns into the hulk, to be always angry means he is always the hulk. it doesnt give him the ability to become the hulk at will. thats why the one line was iconic, dont make me angry, you wouldnt like me when Im angry, it shows that the hulk is tied to his anger and manifests itself whenever he loses his temper, meaning he has to remain calm at all times or he risks another hulk outbreak. to remain calm takes a lot of mental will power and shows that Bruce is just as powerful as the Hulk, just in a different way.

[@mangamandrew]

@@Shiirow true however we know later on that he is unable to turn that anger off by choice. If he had control over his anger or emotions then he should be able to wills himself out of the form.

[@Aspi3Gam3r]

"Cosmonaut is just being dumb" As somebody who's frequently seen Cosmonaut Variety Hour being dunked on by Mauler and his rotating cast of guests on EFAP, stating that Cosmonaut is "just being dumb" would be an understatement quite frankly.

[@burnypython8230]

I would’ve love to see Shady Doorags on EFAP when they covered Cosmonaut’s recap of the quality of Phase 4 of the MCU.

[@erikbihari3625]

Most of the internet critics are an understatement in how bad they are!

[@patmcgr8428]

I'd love to see shady on FNT

[@ghosttactician403]

Can't believe I used to watch the guy

[@lehahiah81]

​@@ghosttactician403 I used to as well, but been a long time if I don't count this

[@You-ev7kl]

It's scary that there is an audience for people like Cosmonaut.

[@silverscorpio24]

As a woman, I related most to the scene of Bruce pushing Jenn off the cliff.

[@shadowrosegaming3566]

I want to laugh but I don't know how you meant your comment

[@kingtroll2640]

​@@shadowrosegaming3566 she desires to push Jenn off a cliff

[@mrwerewolfvampire]

​@@shadowrosegaming3566 she means she is tired of MCU She-Hulk

[@shadowrosegaming3566]

@@mrwerewolfvampire ah ok I shall laugh immensely then

[@wesmcinerny4524]

Yup, for better adaptations of She-Hulk, check out the 1996 Incredible Hulk animated series and Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes in 2006.

[@hawkticus_history_corner]

There was also the one where she was part of a Team of Hulks from after 2010. Can't recall its name

[@hybridvenom9]

@@hawkticus_history_corner What's your favorite kung fu panda movie?

[@hawkticus_history_corner]

@@hybridvenom9 Weird question but I'm probably gonna say 2 off of gut reaction. I like all three but I liked 2s villain a lot

[@hybridvenom9]

@@hawkticus_history_corner Me too i like kung fu panda 2 it's the greatest movie i will probably make a video about it on my second channel if someone hates it then okay just don't comment

[@emperortrevornorton3119]

She Hulk used to be one of best gender swapped superhero her and Spider-Woman legitimately were some of the best female characters that shared a name with a male superhero

[@ronsronshirt4177]

"the show focuses on her negative qualities and acts like they're fine" THIS is the problem I have with... almost every show I have a problem with. To have a story, you need rising actions and themes. to have a character that works well with rising tension and themes, they need to have flaws or internal struggles consistent with them. to have an internal struggle, you have to color something they do or think as bad. You inherently HAVE to take a stance on something to write a good story. there is literally no excuse when a show has a character act like a monster and pretend nothing they did was bad but still wants the luxuries of portraying them as a hero protagonist with all the plot protection and victories over immoral enemies or concepts that come with the package. If you want your character to be a bad person but never improve, then write like it. be self aware instead of being so fucked up in the head in real life that you see your evil protagonist as being a good person. then i can TRUST you as the writer to actually take the character somewhere compelling. that's all i ask.

[@Sousabird]

I love She-Hulk. Her original run was fantastic, and when she was a member of the Fantastic Four, it was one of their best runs. This show made me feel nothing but contempt for Jen and the idiots who were brought on to write her.

[@AbrasiousProductions]

She's also really creepy looking but in her natural form and hulk form, as a person she looks like she chugs adrenchrome (all the signs are there, oily skin, glazed eyes, etcetera) and her hulk looks like that but uncanny and this is coming from a guy who's attracted to all kinds of bizarre shit, logic dictates I should be attracted to her but her personality and looks are so foul, I couldn't be more repulsed

[@princessmarlena1359]

Well said

[@Petrico94]

I think Cosmonaut hits on the main reason the show is looked down on, it focuses too hard on the people who will never like it rather than a core audience or a concept that is popular. Rather than say why the show is good and what it does well it always comes back to the vocal minority who will never like it, while also ignoring the people who don't want a show about a list of men a female writer doesn't like or might have wanted a more competent female lawyer superhero story if just for 8 episodes.

[@foisopracurtir6389]

Heck, that was JAR's point.

[@user-mq4xp1gq3q]

That's the current disney/marvel formula. Hire unqualified people who aren't familiar and have no real intertest with the material to create this content. Then when the actual fans that they're trying to bank off of don't like the material, accuse them of being "small vocal minority" and say the show wasn't made for you. The show isn't made for the fans, it's made for and by far-left men-hating feminist using these IPs to pedal their hateful propaganda. Some of these creators outright hate these IP's and it just a job for them. There's no passion or creativity

[@connerthewubbzler1062]

@@user-mq4xp1gq3q Hell you can see that shit with 343 nowadays. "We hired people who hated Halo's story...to help write the story for Halo..."

[@bad-people6510]

15:30 "Because you have to make the She-Hulk show a girl-boss show, or it wouldn't be faithful to the character at all." Putting aside that those same people were very excited about She-Hulk when it was first announced because they loved that character as it was done in the source material, this man is showing a cover from john Byrne's Sensational She-Hulk in which she a goofy fuck-up, with a likable, bubbly personality in the extreme. That's what people wanted, and they were upset because it's NOT what they got. She was constantly being propped up by those around her who took things far more seriously than she did.

[@kuggacouragegx6093]

No stupid. It wasn't that they liked the character since yall don't know jack about her at all nor her personality. U just want to her to be eye candy

[@raymicheals4127]

The saddest thing about the she hulk is that we wanted it to be good. We wanted to see she hulk as a lawyer like in other superhero media. This should have been like Harvey birdman attorney at law every episode, satire comedy and having slapstick comedy while being a lawyer show like law and order. Instead we get single female lawyer

[@ntfoperative9432]

Hell, even go off that with every case being a superhero or villain

[@mattphillips3537]

Yeah I hear ya, I don’t even have Disney+ but I wanted it to be good because I wanted people to see what she was like when written properly. They’d really messed her up in the comics at that point, the Hulk was on vacation (dying being how Superhero’s take vacations) so they basically compensated by turning her into the one thing Lee and Kirby designed her not to be, the Hulk but female.

[@jeremyallen5974]

*Single female lawyer who (somehow) doesn't know how lawyering actually works There, fixed it for ya

[@raymicheals4127]

@@jeremyallen5974 it was a Futurama reference

[@Watch-0w1]

O God yes. I wanted Harvey birdman case with each hero

[@lasercraft32]

Calling She-Hulk "inoffensive" is the most bizarre thing anyone could ever say. Its probably one of the most offensive things release in recent times. Men hate it because it craps on men, women hate it because its preachy, and NOBODY likes a snarky self-centered main protagonist.

[@icecreamchief5417]

Not completely true, you can like a snarky, self-centered main character, if the writers don't portray it as it being justified and they never grow up from it.

[@joshuaturner415]

I hate to say it, but stuff like this is why I stopped watching Cosmonaut. He has a bad habit of letting his arrogance take over.

[@burnypython8230]

I always thought he wasn’t a good channel for media coverage mainly because his points are either surface level or weak. An example I can give you was in his Star Wars prequel video where one of his critiques for Attack of the Clones was him believing that Palpatine sending Dooku sending Jango sending Zam to kill Padme was ridiculous. In reality, having a spiderweb of people to follow to get to Palpatine makes sense as you’d want to make it as hard as possible to track down the person calling the shots. The correct criticism for this scene is that the droid Zam sent should’ve been equipped with laser blasters and when found it shouldn’t direct itself back to her. Cosmonaut didn’t pick onto this.

[@Joshpower57]

This and his Jojo take did it for me. The guy raged because people enjoyed Jojo part 5 and then spent a video complaining about it. Now he's doing the opposite...

[@lancethefilmguy9392]

​@@burnypython8230 He is being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative. Which, quite frankly, is really weird.

[@Eye_Of_Odin978]

@@Joshpower57 To be fair, Part 5 IS pretty poorly paced and not well-written. (Looking at YOU, Giorno with your "can do anything" Stand you pulled out your butt against Diavolo) I ain't saying there's nothing good about it, but personally I thought Part 5 was horribly managed for the most part. Araki didn't even follow up on plot points he himself wanted to do originally because he felt bad about stuff. (Panacotta Fugo was supposed to betray the team, but Araki had a friend betray him in some way so it made him feel sad and thus he wrote Fugo out, which is lame imo)

[@QuincyQuinn95]

@@Eye_Of_Odin978 To be completely fair to Araki: he wasn't just made to "feel sad", he was dealing with a bout of depression. That's not comparable, and needs to be taken into account. Also, Fugo being left behind opened the door for Purple Haze Feedback, so I think we're all the better for it tbh. And a couple words about Giorno's writing, even though I agree there isn't much to his character and I still to this day don't feel like I fully understand GE/GER: 1) the Part did much better character writing for literally every other gang member, and that's largely what got people into it IMO; Giorno is just kinda there and, with everyone else involved, I'm chill with that 2) the infinite deaths of Diavolo is a level of epicness that surpasses DIO's time stop and roadroller, like how can you not lose your mind watching that?

[@natto4now]

Having been a cosmonaut fan back in the say i can guarantee you that hes the kind of guy that sees people avoid walking on shit on the street, and then deliberately steps on that shit an goes "its not so bad you guys are just dumb and not intellectual like me" He always had to be the guy going against the crowd, he always has to be the underdog

[@shadowwatcher3957]

A contrarian then?

[@117Ender]

@@shadowwatcher3957 idk how hes a contrarian, when most ppl praise terrible media, its like having the mainstream position, but then saying the ppl like EFAP/FNT etc are saying nah its bad, and then being contrarian to them means taking the mainstream opinion, contrarian means taking a different stance/opinion, if your taking the majority position, your not contrarian, you just want to say your special but have nothing unique...

[@lamarlewis1720]

This is true he is a self admitted contrarian

[@InfernosReaper]

So, the arbitrary contrarian, eh? That explains a lot. I suspect it's mostly to get views, though

[@marlom7882]

@@lamarlewis1720being a contrarian just for being a contrarian just sounds stupid

[@beast7842]

"I'm great at controlling my anger" She says clearly getting angry at just the thought of getting catcalled.

[@roneherushin4638]

"I'm not a super hero and this is a show about lawyers" yes indeed I could totally tell by how poorly the writers understand how the law works

[@bad-people6510]

Hey look, she should have only been disbarred about a dozen times. Could be worse. It is telling though how every woman attorney in this show willfully acted against the interests of her own client and didn't suffer any consequences for it, instead of being immediately fired and loosing their law licenses.

[@katlicks]

I understand the grievance of "Reviewers dogpile bad thing and won't let go, bringing far more attention to the product than it calls for" Although he loses that argument by pivoting into an argument of quality beyond "It's not that bad, the biggest backlash is the bandwagon amping up anger" and into "It's not bad, just mundane" when people have made pretty clear arguments with cross reference to comics as to why it's not faithful or very good.

[@lancethefilmguy9392]

He sounds as if he is trying to justify bad writing because he agrees with the message of She Hulk

[@Eye_Of_Odin978]

Shady: " Holy *DODONGOS!* " Me: " Dodongos!? But Shady, I ain't got no BOMBS! "

[@vendriksondoesthings7911]

What makes her diminishing hulks anger is the fact that Ruffalo hulk is the same hulk from the 2008 Tim Norton hulk. So during the blip years between infinity war and endgame him having to answer to "Thunderbolt" Thaddeus Ross the person who like 10-15 years ago in universe tried to murder him is grounds for "HULK" to be out instead of this weird version of Prof. Banner. He is infinitely more restrained then "Not using my super powers on someone who mad a 'microaggression' on me"

[@vendriksondoesthings7911]

Confirmed further that it's the same hulk by Tim Roth returning as Abomination

[@strategicperson95]

That's the thing I kinda note the more I dig into The Hulk. Isn't The Hulk essentially the Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde dynamic in Superhero form, and if we were following Dr. Jekyll rather than his friend? It is to a point I'm viewing the creatives hired at Disney don't understand the Hulk, at least in live action. I think there were modern animated versions of Hulk done better and really explored that dynamic.

[@silentassason]

I tried my best to give the show the benefit of the doubt because She-Hulk is a cool character. But towards the end i was just....so disapointed with how it turned out. There were a lot of moments for She-Hulk to get learned as a Hulk who didn't wanna be a Hulk. Her freak out towards the end would've been a decent 'gottcha' in response to her saying she has mastered her anger. She had every right to be that angry in that moment but if she's so mastered she would've been able to realize that the 'revenge porn/leaked sex tape' thing wouldn't have hurt her as much now than it would have like 20 or 30 years ago. I dunno where I'm going with this but the show had so much potential but just...hit every thing wrong and the plot points that did get wrapped up just missed the mark so much.

[@RealHyperHedgehog]

34:36 Well, It’s been a year. Shady now has a better come back “at least I didn’t defend a groomer”.

[@murderalphabetinc.5162]

Holy crap, JAR and Shady together?! YES!

[@inferior3199]

Comparing Cosmonaut and Critical Drinker is honestly insulting. His persona in his videos is a drunkard who craps on lazy mainstream media while cosmonaut is just a disingenuous smart ass. In podcasts you can clearly tell the Drinker has interest and passion for story writing and is very knowledgeable (he is an actual author). Cosmonaut feels like he watched something and then decided to press record and just spew whatever went through his mind.

[@lancethefilmguy9392]

Almost as if he is trying his best to defend Hollywood from the Big Bad Mean People

[@finleymorris04]

Critical Drinker is an insult to KZbin as a platform. He’s explicitly homophobic and he’s been exposed for LYING about films he reviews to make a point based on a complete outright lie. If you want immediate examples, look up responses to him on Glass Onion. Cosmonaut is awful, but Drinker outright shouldn’t have a platform.

[@BigHeadDeadass]

Drinker is very passionate and knowledgeable of media and storytelling. My problem with Drinker is that in many reviews he leaves that in the backseat and talks about "woke" Hollywood and how a girl beating up a guy is unrealistic or how a minority character being in the spotlight or even a major supporting character means "the left" is forcing diversity down his throat. He's sacrificing his passion and critique for the sake of getting right wingers clicking on his videos because he's willing to shout into an echo chamber. Which sucks. I only watch Drinker's positive reviews because his "criticisms" literally boil down to "I don't like seeing women/minorities upstage the white male lead"

[@inferior3199]

@@BigHeadDeadass That seems like a very bad faith view on the subject and the fact that you just boil it down to "he doesn't like women or minorities" would make anyone think you are biased and dismiss engaging with you.

[@BigHeadDeadass]

@Inferior well, that's the rub of it. I don't think he actually does, I just think he knows that he can garner an audience by saying stuff like that. I've watched Drinker since he was at like 24k subs and his old reviews were, well, reviews. He actually critiqued story elements and bad plot points but now he just gets huffy about seeing a plus sized woman on a comic book cover or calls literally any woman in a fight "strong female character". But he only does that because he knows certain groups will tune in to him to hear that and agree with him. Basically I'm saying is that he's grifting and that I want him to actually give a critical analysis of a movie instead of pointing fingers and blaming Hollywood or "the left" for pushing an agenda. It's not even a review at that point, it's just him whinging about Hollywood marketing

[@guidomista9565]

She hulk problems: job sucks as a lawyer, hit on by creeps. Hulk problems: abusive father, hunted by the government, and his lover died. Yup she hulk had it worse

[@shadowrosegaming3566]

Don't forget trapped on alien planet and lived in constant fear of losing control and rampaging

[@MarvelousAdmirer445]

@@shadowrosegaming3566 Also don't forget he tried to shoot himself only for the Hulk to spit out the bullet.

[@shadowrosegaming3566]

@@MarvelousAdmirer445 oh yeah I forgot that

[@AK46supr]

The fact that he tried to act like not caring about being constantly insulted as normal is crazy. It’s actually NOT normal to be ok with such treatment especially if you enjoy it- he needs help

[@AbrasiousProductions]

I mean I like a little degradation myself but even I have limits

[@fuckthisstupidasshandleshit]

Fun Fact: Some people just have thick skin. Some people aren't insulted when people say their gender sucks. Doesn't make you wrong for complaining, but you can't assume everybody's as sensitive to this as you are.

[@AK46supr]

@@fuckthisstupidasshandleshit im very far from sensitive, i still call a spade a spade. And even if my feelings aren’t hurt- i dont have to like/enjoy being insulted by someone with the intention of making me feel bad for things i dont do. Thick skin or not- *this is just wrong* just stop. You wouldn’t say “thick skin” to a obviously racist show or movie if it depicted an entire race with bad stereotypes with little to no redeeming qualities. It aint sensitivities- its pure sexism towards men & that aint good

[@fuckthisstupidasshandleshit]

@@AK46supr "I'm not sensitive, but this show that jokes about males is as bad as a clearly racist show, which gives them no good traits."

[@AK46supr]

@@fuckthisstupidasshandleshit you sound crazy dude

[@LightningA98]

I respect Shady's voice over chops so much more after this video.

[@Lancersilva]

I remember having to go through a category 4 hurricane and lived in the mandatory evacuation zone while this show was still coming out. The hurricane ended up so bad that not only were the streets flooded, sharks were spotted swimming in the streets. This was infinitely more pleasurable than watching this show.

[@ProfessionalNamielleLewder69]

Lesser of two evils.

[@lancethefilmguy9392]

Lancer 😎 cool name

[@demonman905]

One nice detail about this Collab is that the two's avatars actually react in real time to what the other is saying. Sure, a lot of Collab videos have the occasional joke, but the avatars often ONLY change when that one joke happens, or when that specific person is talking. Seeing Shady look at Robot, only to look at us and then back at him in a double take when Robot is going off is quality stuff. Props to the editors for this vid, and I hope more Collab vids happen!

[@jeremyusreevu237]

I don't watch much of Cosmonaut's videos, but my god his video was terrible. The problem with a lot of these She Hulk defenders is that they either just straight up accept what the show tells them without any question, or they act like it's perfectly fine to disrespect and be awful to men because awful men exist in real life, not realizing that being biased against someone solely for their gender IS THE LITERAL DEFINITION OF SEXISM. And CM does both. It's not the worst pro She Hulk video I've seen, but it's still an incredibly boring and mediocre video that undersells the flaws of She Hulk in order to either have a contradictory opinion or to berate people who upset the majestic brand. It's so awesome to see you two team up to trash this vid.

[@lancethefilmguy9392]

That pretty much sums up the MCU Shills. As RLM put it best, "Don't Ask Questions. Just Consume Product And Then Get Excited For Next Product.

[@thecpmr6276]

I love how... reasonable Shady is. I just...I just really appreciate it.

[@DuneStone6816]

He says "I liked not knowing who was going to show up." Every single cameo was shown in the trailers before the series began.

[@matman329]

She-Hulk is literally one of my all time favorite comic book characters and I was really looking forward to a She-Hulk lawyer show. I was really disappointed with how the show turned out.

[@bad-people6510]

And I was looking forward to her driving her car into space, and fighting living hills, and dealing with an army of puppets from a British children's show, for those who claim this show is an accurate adaptation. Most of all I would have preferred if she was as likable as she was in the comics.

[@gentlemankaiju1997]

Cosmonaut is notorious for being annoying. He does bare minimum research ( and is still wrong) and usually tells others how dumb they are.

[@ggt47]

Like his infamous Last of us 2.

[@CMan-x7k]

​@@ggt47Or his Jojo review.

[@tallyikroe2476]

So Literally just EthanisOnline Syndrome but with less mental stupidity (that we are aware of)z

[@tell-me-a-story-]

He’s giving, “Reddit atheists.”

[@MrThrodio]

She-Hulk to me was a series that didn't know what it wanted to be. It tired to be everything. It should have focused on either being a mostly serious story that took place over the season, or a monster (client) of the week comedy. A focus alone most likely would have made it better.

[@Saltedroastedcaramel]

It tried to be anything but a good lawyer comedy

[@Chuck_EL]

as a fan on the show the worse thing they did was use the show to troll incels and use it as a main storyline.... they now showed everyone , that they care what they think despite on the surface they claimed they dont and now these incel/mgtow clowns see that they can control these studios and get what they want disney still hasnt learned from "the last jedi" hate and caving in with the "the rise of skywalker"

[@rainmanslim4611]

Unlike She-Hulk, here's an example of a well written and LIKABLE strong female character. Samantha carter from Stargate SG1. she doesn't overshadow anyone else in the main cast, but she brings something real and appreciated not only to the social dynamics of the team but the practical stuff too. She's the scientist! The egg-head! the techie! The one to bounce techno-babble around the room with other scientist characters and most of the time she delivers a jab to other characters (who arent villains) it's done in a very "banter between friends" kinda way. She's not the powerhouse, that's Teal'c. She's not the leader, that's Jack (though she is very much second in command), she's not the moral centre sacrificing themselves to save everyone else, that's Daniel. Each have a part to play and none blot out the others. She doesn't push others down so she can stand on top of them, she build herself and others up, and they in turn build themselves and her up in a healthy dynamic. Fuck I love stargate. Likable, well written strong female characters are 100% possible, but the thing is, before her being a strong female character, she needs to be a well written character.

[@travisbishop782]

Stargate is awesome.

[@somerando86]

100% agree, especially the sentiment regarding the characters needing to be well written. Babylon 5 is another show that had a fantastic array of well written characters. In terms of female characters, Delenn and Susan Ivanova. Delenn was probably one of my favorites, because of the fact that she went through a both literal and figurative transformation as a character from first seeing her in the original movie, all the way to the last season.

[@AgntFL]

I completely agree, and it’s so fitting I found this comment as I’m currently rewatching SG-1 on Prime Video and just finished the episodes where they met the Tok’Ra, it really shows how despite being a tough military woman Sam still has her soft spots as she desperately works to convince her father to accept a symbiote and even defies orders from her commanding officer to protect him. Sam was an amazing character and worked so well with the others who were equal as well written

[@theunkownbanana1823]

24:19 I'm allowed to not like She-Hulk?! How FREAKING MAGNANIMOUS! Thank you Cosmonaut for ALLOWING me to have my own opinion.

[@natto4now]

Its pretty ironic that she hulk premiered the same week (or month) that better call saul ended We lost a great lawyer show for a bad lawyer show

[@aclevername7613]

Its not a bad show its inoffensive" Its actually very offensive if your a fan of the She-hulk and a man as they made the char horrible and constantly insulted men.

[@foisopracurtir6389]

So u just a VOCAl MINoriTy of [buzzword], opnion invalid/s

[@lancethefilmguy9392]

​@@foisopracurtir6389 Yep because BRO TRUST ME 😂

[@zeropen0719]

"I can take someone else having a different opinion than mine, but when that person misrepresents something it kinda feels off", this I always tried to put on words when people defend and review series and recommend as good on everywhere, but I don't care when someone likes something bad in general, everyone has a guilty pleasure but we know it's bad and never know how to say but you made it easier, if you like something shitty cool, if you like something shitty and try to make it look amazing then it's not cool.

[@shadowrosegaming3566]

I've probably done tried to make something shitty look cool by complete accident

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

20:23 Too bad it's horrible a lawyer show as well. Abomination would never be allowed to see the inside of a courtroom or the ability to talk to a lawyer in the first place without exposing ‘Thunderbolt’ Ross and the entire US government in a massive scandal, Jen wouldn't have lost her job because of Titania’s rampage through court, the whole copyright lawsuit would have been tossed out because she can easily show that her law firm was using She-Hulk in their branding since she started there, and a bunch of other legal stuff that just doesn't make sense.

[@mr.alucardrules4956]

"It's not for everybody" Chainsaw man is a pretty good example of that while it's fairly popular it sells less than the fellow stories it's published with and is pretty niche as a series.

[@phabiorules]

Maybe in the states, but chainsaw man is *huge* in Japan. Maybe it’s niche among casual anime fans, but there are definitely casuals who watch it.

[@spunkush]

Yah Chainsawman is massive. It overtook JJK as the most hyped anime

[@mr.alucardrules4956]

@@phabiorules It's pretty niche in Japan as well the manga/anime has decent sales and people like enough though.

[@hybridvenom9]

Chainsaw man as a tone anime with the dub it's fine i really cannot say like it's really good no it's just fine i have not watched season 2 so i don't know if it gets better

[@BlackMaleSpirituality]

I’ve actually met Cosmonaut, I ran into him at a store and he came across like a cool person. He is out of bounds here with some of what he says. I for one, only watched one episode of She Hulk but I watched all of Ms. Marvel. For me it helps that the character and actress playing her don’t across as unlikeable.

[@kamiphenonymous2855]

I was actually pretty excited about it when it was announced. I figured it would be interesting to see heroes and villains in a law drama. But I only got to her lecturing Hulk saying she went through worse.

[@crazyinsane500]

I think the only reason Cosmo doesn't have a video on Velma is because he was writing the script, ready to say it's a misunderstood show that's overly hated, but scrapped it once he saw even *Twitter* wasn't in support of it.

[@wiiink]

15:51 Everyone criticizes She-Hulk and how they depict the character but for some reason everyone also loves the Wonder Woman movie when it has the similar flaws?? They both have no arcs and no struggle, no consequences to anything they do, nepo babies when it comes to powers, and have no personality. The only difference imo is that Wonder Woman's movie was actually just revolving around that pilot guy instead of her, because he's the only one who got an actual arc and motivation while she was his manic pixie dream girl with the single voice line of "we need to stop ares" that he could put on a pedestal. She-Hulk felt worse because there was no forefront character to follow like the pilot, it's just the badly written character with no arc or struggle and nothing to distract you from it.

[@lonewolf9578]

I don’t think I’ve ever watched a show that had a bad trailer but then the first episode ended up being worse than said trailer and then proceeded to get worse and worse with every episode

[@dspace4514]

Loved the interactions between you two in this video. Really seemed like there were two people in the same room discussing something.

[@DoctorErika]

I forgot she-hulk existed now my ptsd is back

[@leafyfeathers]

23:16 Wow seeing this again was a blast from the past. I remember watching it in the theaters with my friends and laughing our asses off at this clip. Marvel was so much simpler back then.

[@robinjameson4261]

As an actual fan of the She-Hulk comics and a person who has collected the line for a while I'm willing to put forth my opinion. This is not a faithful adaptation of She-Hulk. The vast majority of the points are an antithesis to She-Hulk. At least the one that's represented in the comics. I don't know what they think they adapted. That's so perfect. First of all, her origin story was much more epic. Jennifer was going after the mob as a lawyer trying to take them down. They ended up shooting her. Her cousin Bruce was the only person around with a blood type similar to hers. He didn't like it but it was the only way to save her life. So he gave her a transfusion voluntarily of his own free will trying to save her life. That's the first point where they screwed up her first transformation was in the hospital bed. When some goons came in to finish the job, she turned into She-Hulk and kicked their collective butts. When she saw her cousin Bruce again he apologized over and over for this curse that he put upon her. She calmed her cousin down and told him she was grateful for the new power she had that she loved her new self. Then she said words antithetical to everything this actual piece of maggot ridden swine excrement held the character up to. Jen said I will never be a victim again. She was strong in character and in purpose. There are some things that they got right. Jen had control of her mind almost immediately. That is completely comic accurate. Also, that whole yoga pose thing is technically comic accurate as well. She hulk has always been more agile than the hulk as well as the fact that she was good at self-control hulk's advantage over hers that he was stronger and more durable. It is my personal opinion, although this is not completely backed up that Jen is a better fighter in terms of raw skill because she needed to be to deal with individuals that had more raw strength. Hulk with most of the time just swing haymakers because that worked. I know that there were some books called The Savage She-Hulk where her mind denigrated but I do not know of any references where she had the special ability that Bruce did where the matter she got the stronger she got. Although it may be in there at some point. I do have some parts of the history that I have not collected. In the point where he threw a rock and then she threw a rock and it was further. He did the basic motion of putting up a shot like a basketball and she heaved it like a shot put. Of course the boulder she threw went further. She put at least five times as much effort into it. Jennifer didn't denigrate Bruce. She loved her cousin. About the only people she did denigrate were actual villains although there was the occasional creep. Jennifer, love to flirt and show herself off though there were limits. Jennifer was an amazing lawyer and eventually got to the point where she became a judge. In the comics, Jennifer did break the fourth wall. This was an ability that actually was given to her by the person in charge of the book. There was even one time where the head author called into Jen and said asked her to make the book herself cuz she was sick. Jennifer was a happy nuanced amazing character with an excellent sense of humor and a love of people, not just some people. Calling that imposter a true adaptation of she hulk is an insult to a real strong female character.

[@laisphinto6372]

they didnt do any character justice . titania was done so dirty , its baffling how much these retards talk about strong female represantation but make the show the most cringeworthy stereotypical high school drama show

[@sev1120]

Jennifer's hulk strength doesn't grow as her emotional state intensifies, but it does work as a multiplier for her base strength, and so she can get exponentially stronger as she-hulk by getting stronger as Jennifer. A nice way to balance the two I think her base strength multiplier is slightly higher than Hulk's, but his strength grows as he gets angrier, so he can overtake her multiplier

[@grahamstrouse1165]

It’s basically a bad version of Ally McBeal…which wasn’t great to begin with.

[@MollyOKami]

(12:09) That's why, I don't know if Mark Ruffalo MEANT this, but Hulk's face when She-Hulk bitches about cat-calling being "worse" than what's he's gone through looks a bit condescending, which would be VERY valid.

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

2:47 Which by the way, Paralegal here, and yeah I can confirm that NOTHING in this show even remotely follows how the legal system works.

[@lukeamparo6586]

Cosmonaut sounds like he’s high and thinks his trip makes him an intellectual.

[@moe3235]

Lmao cosmonaut is probably the type of guy who says he likes cuties just to be contrarian

[@thyweebhub]

Oh the ignorant irony of this comment😂

[@thegoldavenger.3829]

@@thyweebhub Wait he fucking SAID THAT?!

[@Stew91]

So because someone defends a dumb show like She-Hulk, that means they like a pedophilic movie?

[@Kobaaming090]

​@@thyweebhubdid he actually said that? Ooooh god

[@MrSupersayian4goku]

@@thegoldavenger.3829nah, he didn’t say that lol. Def a crazy leap for OP to make that Cosmonaut not hating She Hulk to defending Cuties, a film that sexually exploits minors.

[@olympusgolemoflight7198]

So we have Anomaly Inc getting him for Star Wars, MangaKamen for Jojo, and now you and JAR for She Hulk. Nice.

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

Anomaly Inc, Lit Dev, and Doom Cock only likes the 2D Clone Wars, Star Wars Legends material, Prequels, and OG Trilogy like myself; JAR and Shady both like the She-Hulk fan series and Marvel Vs Capcom 3 portrayals of She-Hulk like myself, and MangaKamen likes Part 3 onwards of JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure unlike me that hates anything past Part 2 of JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure.

[@QuincyQuinn95]

@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr While I feel that personally the first two can be considered the weakest by many (including myself), I'm of the opinion that there has never been an actually BAD Part of Jojos. Some are more of a mixed bag like Jojolion or Stone Ocean, but not Bad. Part 4 and 5 are among my favorite anime seasons personally, and I can only dream that Part 7 will get adapted too. I'm currently rereading Part 1 right now actually, because I was able to pick up physical copies recently. Went through so much shit trying to order another copy when the store was out of Volume 2, like it went on for months, but I got it now (just had to give up with that store and order it on Amazon instead).

[@AgntFL]

@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr actually anomaly watched the now canon clone wars series and was rather positive about it, though he does admit to liking the 2D version more

[@Emogeta]

Remember in the first Avengers movie when Banner sheepishly admitted he was at a *really* point, wanted an out to end the pain, put a gun in his mouth, and fired only for the other guy to spit out the bullet? No? Well neither did the She-Hulk writers because cat calling is worse than seeing everyone around you dying and suffering because you're a monster.

[@jasoncoward-aintscared]

I have seen a lot of Cosmonauts videos and have enjoyed them. He seems to have lost the plot on this one. Many people speculated She-Hulk was going to a courtroom centered series. Maybe Jen defending heroes that didn't sign on for the registration act. The showrunners had no idea what to do, so they tried to do a little bit of everything, and they did it as poorly as possible. That head writer from R&M stated she planned to create the series just to "own the haters." She admitted they purposefully sabotaged it. If I ran a studio, I would never hire her because of that.

[@PixelTheMushroom]

On the catcalling note. As a female that has been cat called quite a fair bit it really doesn't make me angry. Depending on who does it and what their age is then i might be slightly uncomfortable, but not angry. No one ever actually means anything harmful or mean about it, its all a bit lighthearted fun for them or they genuinely think its a complement, and sometimes it is. Trust me, you don't know confidence until you've tried having children shout complements at you (ususlly it's my hair) as you cycle past. (im a teenager btw). But it's also sometimes a bit of fun for you because it gives you a chance to act playfully sassy and be all "oh i know". And for the times it does make you uncomfrtable, that's it. It doesn't make me angry, only uncomfortable, nothing more nothing less, but not enough for me to rant about it to someone or use it as a point like a cretin who doesn't know how to take a joke or know when something is actually a serious matter.

[@Shiirow]

people think this shit only happens to women, Ive been whistled at by older women and Id consider it the same as cat calling if she whispers erotic things into my ear. Ive had woman rubbing my lower back to groping my ass in public stroking my arms and biceps, even my inner thighs. Literally had a woman I didnt know crawl into my lap on an overnight greyhound bus trip while I was asleep and get grabby.

[@KEDAMONO.]

​@@Shiirow Finally someone says it! Women can be just as uncomfortably forward as guys. At my last job (retail photographer) showing the photos to an older woman and she starts touching me and holding on for way too long. Another instance in highschool where this one girl would just go around groping guys. To the point of even licking someone and nobody liked it. She knew she could get away with it, and obviously later in life she became ultra feminist 🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@EndermTheSwordsman]

@@Shiirow Ive been outright groped by strangers, that shit is fuckin freaky and you are somehow the bad guy if you do something to retaliate in fair natures. Been groped by a girl I didnt know in Wal-Mart, and openly harassed by my brother's grandmother in law. Shit is not alright

[@Stew91]

@hs4619, no one ever means anything harmful by catcalling? I have heard stories about women getting shot for ignoring a catcall! That's not "lighthearted fun". Clearly some men use it as a way to try and insert dominance and power to try to make the opposite sex feel submissive.

[@bad-people6510]

Well there's also the thing about "I might literally be killed" which ignores that men are statistically the victims of physical violence far more than women are.

[@CaptainRexCT--rd7eq]

It's not entirely on topic for the video, but I want to share this funny information. It's about the "puny god" scene: Essentially Tom was given a 20 second speech for that scene. Yet just before filming, Joss Whedon told him about the wire - that at a random point during the speech he would be pulled. So tbe the scream/gasp he let out along with his expression was genuine. Since he was never told when they would pull it.

[@imalltheragex2000]

18:32 I personally miss episodic stories, even if it's only mildly episodic with a underlining story, the less lore I have to shove into my brain means the more relaxed I can be watching I show I'm invested in

[@jonnyblade3234]

I am a gamer, I'm a guy, and I like strong/powerful/lead women. I'm tired of being crapped on for not enjoying bad writing.

[@Rex13013]

Same, and I completely agree

[@jeremyusreevu237]

Absolutely

[@stefanoputignano1555]

i literally breathed games like Warcraft III, Starcraft I and Diablo II in my childhood. Those pigs on screens are not "strong women." Give me Jaina, Tyrande, Kerrigan, the amazons or the sisterhood of Diablo all day

[@smergthedargon8974]

@@stefanoputignano1555 Not literal.

[@Cerebrum123]

JAR and Shady is the crossover I didn't know I needed. You have good chemistry going on here. I liked the SJW joke and I lean slightly to the right. The monotone thing might not be Cosmonaut's "style" it might just be his voice. I have a problem with this as well. Despite trying to sound more animated I still sound rather monotone compared to most people.

[@John-fk2ky]

I didn’t like the SJW joke because it’s mostly wrong. “SJW” has an actual definition and is mostly used that way. “Woke” would be a better example of a term that gets overused to where the definition gets a little blurry the way “reactionary” has lost all meaning.

[@Cerebrum123]

@@John-fk2ky Both of those terms have more specific meanings but there are many* people on the right who have overused them to the point of meaninglessness. They are both so diluted by people using them to describe people they don't agree with or are slightly to the left of them. Some on the left have done the same to Fascist, Nazi, and Racist to name a few. Since JAR and Shady are clearly joking with their misuse of the terms I find it funny. People who unironically use these terms incorrectly to smear their opposition are the ones that bother me. This is regardless of what side they are on. *Not all or most but enough to dilute the terms.

[@Eye_Of_Odin978]

@@Cerebrum123 at least people on the Right made up their own terms before diluting them with overuse. You're comparing the Right overusing slang and political jargon to Left-wing communists literally redefining language on a INSTITUTIONAL LEVEL to get what they want 1984-style. Not even remotely comparable, bro. The right overusing funny slang is not the same as the Left literally redefining serous words with serious, grim implications to smear their political opposition and shift the Overton Window.

[@Cerebrum123]

@@Eye_Of_Odin978 Sigh, I'm not saying both have done this kind of thing to the same degree. Nor am I defending the left doing this. I'm merely saying that both sides have done this for certain terms and should be called out for doing so. Fascism, Racism, and Nazism are indeed more serious terms that shouldn't be used the way they have and the left deserves more flack for misusing them due to the nature of the terms and due to the much more serious implications. However, I think the right shouldn't be given a pass just because the left has done the same thing but worse. Not only is this fallacious, specifically the tu quoque fallacy, but it gives the left more ammo in their talking points.

[@KopperNeoman]

@John-fk2fy Both Woke and SJW mean the same thing and have the same origin. They were intended as cool-sounding ofuscatory terms that neoMaoists used to describe themselves, and then normal people caught on, so said neoMaoists started gaslighting instead.

[@bllurrceratus8352]

I like how the loki scene still made me chuckle to myself when shady showed it.

[@billyboleson2830]

Cosmo is the definition of a contrarian

[@jokerx7739]

I mean.. no? Most of his takes are pretty normal Some bad ones doesn't make someone a contrarian

[@cybercrasherstv]

6:15 Disney's stock price is at an all time low for multiple different reasons. Mainly the new CEO being ousted a year into his tenure, two massive box office bombs for Disney and Pixar, and florida threatening disney. All of which have nothing to do with whether or not a marvel show is good.

[@hybridvenom9]

Yeah they're just good and also wishes going to be better than just a robot

[@travisbishop782]

Well, that and Disney+ not bringing in enough money.

[@cybercrasherstv]

@@travisbishop782 I was going to say that, but I couldn't find any real evidence of that when I wrote this comment. I believe the main reason disney+ is underperforming is because of the glut of marvel and star wars shows that aren't great, and also the price hike. You would assume that would include she-hulk, but I think obi-wan, Boba Fett, mando season three, and all the forgettable marvel shows. She hulk likely didn't help, but jar thinking 22,000 people tanked disney stocks is absurd

[@travisbishop782]

@@cybercrasherstv That is true. What i said is pretty much speculation, but the evidence is that Disney+ isn't doing anything to help that stock price.

[@lancethefilmguy9392]

​@@cybercrasherstv Can't say that I blame JAR. He has a point alongside others such as Midnight's Edge, Clownfish TV, Valiant Renegade, WDW Pro, Professor Geek to name a few

[@christhechilled]

Cosmonaut is the only guy who will NEVER stop giving L takes!

[@TheRoflcer]

Let me tell you about a Horsefucker named VAUSH!

[@jokerx7739]

so... you think The Dark Knight is a terrible movie? Is the Boys bad? Is Star Wars 4 and 5 bad? if you disagree with every single one of his opinions, that's just fucked up

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

@@jokerx7739 , the best Batman films of all time are Batman Beyond: Return of The Joker and Under the Red Hood; Invincible is objectively better than The Boys, and he's wrong about the Prequels too.

[@jokerx7739]

@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr dude.. I like invincible more than the boys but "objectively better" isn't a thing, and he also likes both of them alot And you also have no idea what his feelings about those films are, since he's never reviewed them Most of cosmonauts opinions are pretty safe and disagreeing with all of them is fucked up

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

@@jokerx7739 , The Boys goes the other extreme of instead of making campy and well hearted joyful superheroes like OG Ben 10 series and Generator Rex; it goes the other extreme by making all the heroes depressed cynics that are cynical of everything, and Anomaly Inc. made a video debunking his viewpoints on the Prequels.

[@ColonelMetus]

Shady and Robot is the super hero team up I didn't know I wanted