Raya and the Last Dragon Ticked Me Off

[@ShadyDoorags]

Goodness gracious, this was supposed to be a small warm up video before I dove into going full time, but the script wound up being 4 times longer than anticipated and work got delayed 2 days due to my power going out.

[@TheNeonWerewolf]

Awww, thank you for the shoutout!

[@WolfmanArt]

Any chance of a video on Wish Dragon?

[@itsblitz4437]

Like your new animation character look. Its a lot better.

[@osets2117]

As your first fill time video, keep it up my dude it's fantastic

[@ExcitedAlex]

You stuck it out and kicked ass. 🤜

[@artmoryoo]

Namaari: *kills sisu* Namaari: why would Raya do this

[@joshuagraham2843]

im not rooting namaari or raya or that talkative dragon

[@genevieveowusu885]

@@joshuagraham2843 I kinda feel the same way, though I don't hate Sosu the way everyone else does. 😆

[@jackbishop8610]

@@joshuagraham2843 Root for the boating boy. He should have been the protagonist.

[@joshuagraham2843]

@@jackbishop8610 actually you’re right, the boy should have been a protagonist he seemed interesting reminds me of aladdin

[@friepaign3828]

@@joshuagraham2843 i wish too but the movie is still a masterpiece

[@j.a.ogrady7783]

I love how Disney is putting out a 'always trust everyone!' message after a full decade of almost exclusively writing twist villains.

[@osets2117]

And now they're trying to make all their original villains "sympathetic" with prequel movies (Cruella for example, let's make a puppy killer sympatric, yeah no Disney)

[@j.a.ogrady7783]

@@osets2117 Because apparently "There are no good guys and bad guys! Everyone is a light shade of gray!" all the time apparently

[@JaneDoe-gu5sb]

@@j.a.ogrady7783 See, I write stories myself, and I have a huge cast of characters for multiple different stories. They range from angelic good to pure evil for various different reasons. Characters who we follow are all untrustworthy and terrible in different ways. Characters who started out good but circumstances broke them. Characters who have reasonable justification for their actions but still face the consequences. Characters who might as well be jesus, theyre losing track of all the miracles. Point is, sometimes bad people are just bad people. And sometimes good people aren't wolves in sheep's clothing

[@tenshi.kurama]

And then child trafficking's became worse.... people should be treated with caution

[@orangeslash1667]

@@tenshi.kurama What makes the message even more hipocritical is Disney themselves. How can I trust Disney to tell a good moral after all those dull remakes and rushing Frozen 2.

[@Zacman1123]

Moral of the movie: "if you're traumatized, get over it." Wait, what?

[@sophieandrew4666]

Y’know, I wonder how insulting this moral is to people with PTSD who cannot get over their trauma, no matter how hard they try to? I’m not even a PTSD victim myself, but even I know that this moral is borderline insulting.

[@Zacman1123]

@@sophieandrew4666 who knows.

[@malevores]

@@Zacman1123 oh it's definitely insulting to me.

[@leighmercadokfphrdept.2197]

Ok, that's very insulting even for me

[@Draconicdisciple]

@@sophieandrew4666 People can recover from trauma. It isnt "getting over it" but they can try to recover and do recover from it. It just takes things like therapy.

[@oliviastratton2169]

Disney wanted Namaari to be Zuko, but then gave her Sozin's backstory.

[@smolishaya]

d a m n ALRIGHT

[@oreoyin-yan8414]

Lol nice

[@leephillips4402]

So kinda Sozin as written by one of those fans who didn't really get the intended takeaway of that episode.

[@venombug7476]

Not Sozin but his father/grandfather, which ever one betrayed the Avatar

[@leephillips4402]

@@venombug7476 that is Sozin, I think you're thinking of Ozai.

[@jannabanana2928]

I really hate the moral just forgive and trust EVERYONE. That moral is equivalent to blindly trusting kidnappers or killers which is completely wrong!

[@anez1266]

EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING! When I was little, I decided to walk back home by myself and then a minute later a Man came and offered me a ride, and I said yes and got on the car with him. I was so stupid and naive at the time. BUT THANK GOD🙏🏼, that man was a firefighter and an ACTUAL friend of my mother. When he brought me home, my mom gave me a stern lecture of never trusting a stranger, and even though the man knew her, I shouldn't believe anyone who claim to know my mother. After that I became very careful to who I can and can't trust. And this movie that Disney is trying to teach kids how to TRUST EVERYONE, even those who hurt/betray you, is the most AWFUL way to show it.

[@chyunniloli3494]

Thank god my dad taught me since a young age never to trust strangers. Who knew what would've happened if he didn't.

[@MissMoontree]

Honestly, when you look at the bullies from your past, some have outgrown it. But it is never the sadistic children who do that, they always become bigger jerks. And some "friends" hurt my other friends behind closed doors. Why should I trust those? Because we played baseball once?

[@MinkiBlue]

Makes you wonder the underlying reason of why anyone would want to push that kind of message, doesn't it? When it's so beyond blatantly wrong, both in the movie and in real life.

[@wimsylogic65]

as someone who was very trusting and suffered for it greatly I don't want my children to learn this message.

[@ronaldmacdonald8667]

Person A: *shoots Person C, who is a friend of Person B, who is just standing nearby* Person A: "This is your fault too, Person B!"

[@wolf12king17]

yeah for not telling person C there a moron more aggressively

[@tripelon]

Black lives matter in a nutshell. Why do i bring this? Just because you can expect Disney’s histories filled with the current left mentality every turn.

[@davethesid8960]

Just what?!

[@daylinhesford3116]

like I compleeeetely agree with you but what I think what Disney meant in that dialogue is that Person B attempted to stop the arrow at the last minute which causes Person A to shoot it at Person C. its stupid I know

[@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa4545]

Ikr that scene ticked me off too

[@MadameTamma]

Here's an idea. Flip Raya and Namaari's starting roles. Raya tries to steal the Gem from Fang all those years ago and it leads to screwing up the world. Raya has been on a mission ever since to fix her mistake and Namaari is rightfully pissed and unforgiving of her. At the end when Raya opens up to Namaari and puts Namaari in a position to save everyone even at the behest of Raya's own life. It changes from a story of someone who's been traumatized needing to just get over it, and into a story of someone who was the Taumatizer making amends and trying to be a person worthy of being trusted and forgiven.

[@ShadyDoorags]

I've had this idea as well. The theme of trust works much better if the person trying to fix the world is the one that caused it.

[@MadameTamma]

@@ShadyDoorags I also like the idea of keeping the idea of “trusting others makes the world a better place,” but instead Raya is coming from a place of guilt, thinking most people are untrustworthy because she’s projecting. She believes SHE is untrustworthy and Sisu helps her through that. This would change the message of”blindly trusting others is good” to “ how can I make MYSELF a more trustworthy person to others”. Which is a great message for kids to aspire for

[@randomcomment1286]

I wish to be in the alternative universe where THIS was the final product of the film, because it's so much better than what we got.

[@GrimReaver]

@@MadameTamma amazing how much a little creative thinking could improve a movie, now if only Disney actually had any of that.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@ShadyDoorags Ever since Disney bought Marvel. Disney has become too big, which also cause them to be less creative with their own films.

[@lenny7773]

Teaching kids to be trusting and passive, convenient...

[@andresmcguire-buckley1659]

@Astral Alex Jones is a side op, he's in the C.I.A.

[@ryanm.8720]

And if you fail to meet up to those standards, then you're probably a twist villain.

[@ryanm.8720]

@Astral "ALEX JONES IS RUINING AMERICA!" - Ghost, True Capitalist Radio/The Ghost Show

[@trla6505]

Don't put more thought then the writters

[@myself2noone]

Thankfully kids don't listen to well anybody.

[@EmperorSeramir]

Sisu: You've just got to trust Namari. Raya: You mean the person who betrayed me, got my entire clan slaughtered, and started the end of the world?

[@DragonGoddess18]

Sisu in this movie: Yes! HISHE Sisu: 😳.. Umm

[@k1ara981]

not only that killed her father the only parent she had left

[@RamdomLolola]

it's worse than that : Namari gained Raya's trust in order to abuse her trust and betray her : it was a planned betrayal from the start

[@DLxxx]

​​​​@@RamdomLolola This actually isn't true. Namaari could never have anticipated that Raya, after ONE pleasant day together, would personally walk her to the gem stone like that. Yes, she still took advantage of the situation (and because she still didn't know Raya that well, she didn't feel much sympathy), but it certainly wasn't premeditated. At least, not the way things played out, because (again) there's no possoble way Namaari could've known Raya would do something so extreme and out of nowhere when they were just bonding over their love of dragons. She's an opportunist, but she wasn't faking their initial pleasantries (we see the film at least try to communicate this much when Raya offers that trinket as a peace offering).

[@RamdomLolola]

@@DLxxx and yet, she stabbed Raya in the back with no hesitation and that not what her evil attitude and smile say when she say :Sorry.. it's fang now. opportunist is s alight word. We need to invent a new one just for her behaviour.

[@simplysnazzy7445]

I can’t help but think: Sisu’s whole ‘trust everyone’ message and ‘you have to give a little trust’ by giving food scene makes me think ‘this is the kind of propaganda that’ll make kids very trusting of the man in the white van with candies in the back.’ Also Raya endures constant gaslighting and victim shaming in this movie. Change my mind 🤷‍♀️

[@livvworm]

The guy who wrote this movie probably was, at some point, the man in the van

[@Linklex7]

I thought the same thing

[@crazydragy4233]

The man in the van is a bad comparison tbh. Aren't like 90% of kidnappings done by family members?

[@simplysnazzy7445]

@@crazydragy4233 You’re right, almost all violent crimes (kidnappings, murder, r*pe) is done by people you know. However, most does not equal all. There are still PLENTY that are done by strangers. Furthermore, the example I gave is a good one, because the point I was making is that dangerous people will try to gain a child’s trust by giving them something, which can make the message in the movie very dangerous. Another common tactic kidnappers use is pretending they’ve lost a dog and need help finding it. So honestly I’m not really sure what your point is? Yeah, most are done by people you know. You should still teach children stranger danger.

[@crazydragy4233]

@@simplysnazzy7445 My point is that America has been brainwashed with "stranger danger" as if that was the majority/only way it worked.

[@galaxeonart9338]

I think Sisu’s death was Sisu’s fault. This dumb dragon blindly trusted everyone and never acknowledges how that trust wasn’t reciprocated or didn’t exist to begin with. You hear about a woman who mercilessly caused the world’s people to distrust each other for years, killed your friend’s father when he trusted them, and you think talking it out with them ready to attack you at any time is going to go well? That’s not naive, it’s stupid. In fact, she’s just a bad character overall.

[@snacciboii8961]

I completely agree. What ticked me off the most was also that Raya seemed to be the only one at fault, as if she was the only one who had to prove she has grown or admit that she was wrong, however when Sisu did some dumb shit that put herself and Raya in danger, she was given a pass because she had a good heart or whatever. It also irked me that the movie kept trying to push this whole, “Raya needs to learn from this wise, kind-hearted being that knows better to learn to trust others,” storyline when Sisu is genuinely pretty stupid and naive, especially in the modern world that she was not around to experience. I really wish the movie would let Sisu learn something from Raya, instead of painting her as perfect and Raya being the only one who had to change and grow.

[@swirlystrawstudios5465]

@@snacciboii8961 Sisu came back in a world that has changed. Raya changed cause of the events with the gem breaking. Sisu was showing her dragon rage on Namari at Spine but Namari, in complete shock and amuse, showed Sisu there is something more. Sisu tried to trust her and encouraged Raya to do the same but Namari was extremely hesitant when Sisu was consulting with her. So hesitant she couldn't control her grip on her weapon which startled Raya and to cause the incident of her death.

[@8AKI47]

It was the elsa dragon to blame

[@martinasera825]

remember that weird look they gave each other at the spine nation with the magic mist? That was enough for Sisu to spare and trust her.

[@joetophat2121]

@@swirlystrawstudios5465 As Shady pointed out, Namari loves dragons and is in awe that one is alive. That doesn't make her a good person or trustworthy. Regardless of her intention Namari still held a crossbow at Sisu and was pulling the trigger. So it's still Namari's fault.

[@rosenrot234]

This movie just made me really appreciate the "Okay. I don't forgive you" scene in Bojack Horseman.

[@cartoonking1789]

That scene struck a cord with me because I’m so used to shows and movies doing forgiveness regardless if it’s earned or not. Sometimes things can’t be forgiven, even if the person has changed the people who they’ve wronged doesn’t have to forgive them.

[@brianaguilar8283]

That’s why I love Katara’s character arc in Avatar: The Last Airbender. She finds peace and closure without having to forgive Yon Rah

[@saneperson2]

“I’m dying Bojack.”

[@joshuagraham2843]

@@brianaguilar8283 forgiving enemy that raped you tortured you and burned your parents and becomes friends no way thats unrealistic thats stockholm syndrome just like steven universe morale too many forgiveness raya also same is rebecca sugar retarded or something take a look of fullmetal alchemist main character scar he lost his arm he lost his brother, his brother became part of him he lost his country he lost his people almost extinct does he forgive the enemy, never he killed accidently wendy’s parents wendy wanted to kill scar then relised she couldnt bring back her parents did she forgive scar? never, she never forgive scar what he did but she accepted she moved on only his fate will come one day just like katara from avatar

[@brianaguilar8283]

@@joshuagraham2843 that’s why I also hate A Silent Voice

[@akanesaotome5924]

This movie victims shaming Raya to submission. And Sisu is being the worst psychologist in the world by telling her she should become friends with toxic woman who blame others for the fact she hurts them. Ugh. The worst part there are pepople who ship this.

[@saneperson2]

And not only that, if you don’t ship it or speak out against it those people will call you homophobic and what not

[@akanesaotome5924]

@@saneperson2 the only people Naamari represents are domestic abusers

[@drivingstudios6151]

@@akanesaotome5924 checkmate

[@saneperson2]

@@akanesaotome5924 ohhhh

[@ramilyusupov1573]

There was one of those "you should be friends!" working at my school when I was younger. I was bullied by a guy I barely knew, for bullshit reasons. he'd say that I kicked him in the stomach once (never happened), but the times he waited for me in random places to fucking attack me was bs. when I began retaliating, I was put in a room with him and that teacher to "make" friends.

[@Natalie_the_Fae]

Raya and the Last Dragon: A movie where the main character demonstrates how blindly trusting everyone is a bad idea. While a mystical naïve dragon attempts to gaslights her against that fact, until the dragon dies.

[@pibb2474]

I think the point they were trying to go for was, "No matter how many times you've been burned, you're eventually going to have to trust someone again." A definitely heavier and more nuanced moral than I was expecting out of modern Disney. *_However,_* they completely screwed that up by having the person Raya trusts again be the very person that broke her trust in the first place.

[@SN-vr1xt]

Exactly; good idea, bad execution.

[@korbyndrawsstuff485]

Exactly. Thank you,

[@SupHapCak]

That’s sucky it sounds like telling someone to trust and forgive abusive family members/friends/s.o. just because you have to interact with them frequently

[@andrerodney454]

The message they were going for wasn't about trusting your abusers again. But how eventually you'll need to trust someone in the future.

[@prata9740]

​@@andrerodney454Are you sure about that? Even if that's the case i don't think it's completely true. In my case for example i won't ever need to trust anyone.

[@fandomchatfabi75]

As much as I like this movie, blind trust isn't a good lesson. 😐

[@GibbyCat]

Agreed, not only is it a bad lesson, it's DANGEROUS. There's a reason they say trust should be earned. Yes, you should keep an open mind, but you need to be careful as well.

[@yaboihuey5298]

Can that even be called a moral? Lmao

[@alexvaughan1013]

It's not even blind trust. The movie wants Raya to trust someone who's proven themselves untrustworthy!

[@gozy5077]

I solely like this movie because of Raya and the action sequences. That’s it. 😂

[@ultimatelyawesomeultranigh384]

I agree

[@DarthDevorin]

"You're just as much to blame as I am!" No, Namarri. You had the crossbow. Pointed at the last dragon, who could set the world right. With your finger on the trigger.

[@Bitsy83]

With your finger PULLING the trigger!

[@Grace_Creation]

YES- THIS MAKES ME SO MAD- UAGH

[@bruhb2104]

@@Grace_Creation bro said UAGH

[@sophiegathercole7025]

And when Raya, RIGHTFULLY DEFENDS SISU! EVERYONE BLAMES HER!

[@lovelycloudyskies]

It ticks me off that Namaari was still going to SHOOT Sisu even if Raya didn’t do anything, but when she tries to whip it out of her hand and (oopsie daisy) Namaari SHOOTS Sisu, somehow Raya is to blame? When she had EVERY RIGHT to try to SAVE HER FRIEND? When NAMAARI is the one who BETRAYED HER TRUST in the first place, causing Raya’s father and tribe to turn into STONE. Disney’s message to kids is actually DANGEROUS by saying it’s okay to blindly trust strangers. (Ironically they’re the same company who made twist villains for the past couple years) What’s also horrible is that the girls get shipped by the fandom because “they give off gay vibes” is disgusting due to the fact that, once again, Namaari betrayed Raya, killed Sisu, blamed Raya for being a major part in Sisu’s death, (which she WASN’T!) and had a terrible redemption arc with no development whatsoever.

[@RockySamson]

Disney just can't offer a nuanced perspective anymore. They're almost afraid to. Most of their failed attempts throw out well rounded arguments for "Just be perfect. Ignore your trauma. Get over it. Being perfect is as easy as choosing to be. There's only one side to every argument forever." It becomes so tired and frustrating when you know there's so much more missed potential to these ideas. It's become borderline toxic at this point.

[@guldmattbb473]

Tbh, Coco is the only nuanced movie I think Disney has made in a long time. They do a genuinely great job depicting both sides of the argument about whether Miguel should follow his music dream or respect family tradition to the point that it really did feel like they understood a middle ground. Miguel shouldn’t just abandon his family that loves him all because he wants to be a musician, but they also learn to update their family traditions and recognize how maybe letting those traditions define them was just making things pointlessly worse.

[@guldmattbb473]

Oooh, and Soul! Although that ones a little ironic coming from Disney, since it’s basically a giant multi-billion dollar corporation trying to tell you that there’s more to life than making money

[@PlanetZoidstar]

Zootopia was all about nuance.

[@realar]

Right? It's like they don't have competent writers anymore. Fancy that.

[@Shoop400]

@@guldmattbb473 Funny that both of those are made by the Pixar studio.

[@bsword0311]

My father told me a story once which I think fits this movie quite well. There was a frog and a scorpion who were at a riverbank. Both of them wanted to cross, the scorpion asked the frog if he could ride on the frogs back to the other side because he can't swim. The frog said " why should I trust you? If I let you on my back you'll just sting me." The scorpion replied " I won't sting you, if I did I would drown." The frog then agreed and let the scorpion onto his back. As the frog was swimming to the middle of the river he felt a sharp pain in his back. He looked back and saw that the scorpion had stung him. He said " why would you sting me now neither of us will live to make it to the other side." The scorpion replied " because I am a scorpion." And both of them died Never trust a scorpion

[@honeytoast9204]

Oh yeah I heard that story when I was little I’m pretty sure

[@nsoromma9505]

*Scorpio

[@odyseehasdislikesyoutubesu1892]

is this black pill or red pill?

[@N800-q1b]

that could be a love story

[@sophiawilliams4810]

@SaphiraSeraphina I think you misread it. It’s not about first glances. It’s not trusting awful people

[@itzmehDevi]

I have a lot against this movie.. But my main problem with is.. How it's Raya who is trying to fix her relationship with Namaari IT SHOULD BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND And trust?? Namaari Betrayed Raya! Why is everyone telling her to "Get over it" and just trust Namaari? Namaari has to GAIN THAT TRUST. and she did absolutely nothing for that.

[@alexvaughan1013]

Raya in a nutshell: Imagine if the moral of The Lion King was that Simba needs to be forced to trust Scar, even after he murdered Simba's dad, ate his remains, tried to murder Simba and took over the kingdom. Also, Mufasa's death was just as much Simba's fault as Scar's. But it's all okay because Mufasa magically comes back from the dead with no explanation! If this made you vomit, then you'll probably dislike Raya.

[@asandax6]

Yeah that sums it up

[@lovetolovefairytales]

Yes! Ironically enough, I used this same "what if they tried to claim Scar was the good guy" example to explain in a review why I didn't like Kyra Kramer's "Mansfield Parsonage". And to be honest, that same crappy morality is the reason I never wanted to go see Raya and the last dragon. How did we go from a world where we could write villain povs and reimaginings of classics and fairytale tropes just as an interesting alternative, to a world where if we say reasonably, from what's shown, "oh, they're the villain, they were wrong" we're just horrible prigs who don't understand?

[@mfirdanhb]

World building wise it's a never for me character? Yeah

[@doyoueventhink6191]

This is Disney they want kids to trust villians because Disney support grooming and the "MAPS" monsters.

[@alex.g7317]

@@doyoueventhink6191 ?

[@mileslugo6430]

Namari's mother should have been the one to come in with the armed guards and the Crossbows. As a surprise move to everyone even her daughter.

[@anib8863]

That could work. Raya assuming Namari tricked her, Namari trying to explain, but Raya jumps to atacking her, so Namari defends herself. While the two of them are fighting the tribes break the gem. Maybe Namari is searching for Raya because she wants to make things better, but Raya never sticks around long enough to hear her out.

[@booknerd234]

I know, as I watched the mociw I thought that was what would happen.

[@mileslugo6430]

@@booknerd234 well as is Raya was right and the crew trusting Namari after they backstabbed Raya a second time was a huge deus Ex Phuck you

[@chsparkle]

@@booknerd234 funny, I thought they were setting that up to. It felt so ridiculous doing what they did.

[@Nuffsaid22]

Yeah that conflict of interest for Namaari would have been cinematically delectable

[@thekavestation]

it would have been a nice twist if after Namaari pulled that "you're just as much to blame as me" then Raya just beats the blood and piss out of her

[@TrueBlueProd]

That would’ve been so satisfying

[@Toseuteuu]

Then it wouldn't be a Disney movie. But it would be interesting if there could be a darker route.

[@tfgenobatssasin1788]

This but with Netflix She Ra

[@genera1013]

@@Toseuteuu as long as no blood, it could be Disney. They had Anna deck Hans afterall

[@King_Kitsune]

And some of the classic villains had met some pretty grizzly ends. The evil queen being crushed by a boulder and Gaston plummeting to his end

[@myquirkisfred9614]

Sisu had to be the dumbest fucking dragon in movie history. Tell me, would you go spouting trust about your friend’s arch nemesis, who killed her father and plummeted the world into chaos??? *Imagine telling your friend in real life to get over their trauma and trust their abuser once again.*

[@Minillus]

Sisu is so dumb that she somehow managed to surpass Ghidorah's stupidity in Destroy All Monsters. That dragon was pretty dumb too

[@RamdomLolola]

"Imagine telling your friend in real life to get over their trauma and trust their abuser once again. " and I would had: While their abuser is actively hunting them down to hurt them.🙃

[@JaylaisAwesome]

@@RamdomLololaTo be honest, I would be triggered.

[@Office_chair]

Sisu's logic in modern times would be "Even if they abused you or raped you or betrayed you trust them anyway ! don't hold grudges and don't trust them for a valid reason ? JUST TRUST THEM !" We shouldn't teach kids that 😟

[@Office_chair]

LIKE YOUNG GIRLS HAVE IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT ALREADY BEING TOLD BEING PICKED ON EQUALS LOVE. WE SHOULDN'T CONVINCE KIDS TO TRUST EVERYBODY EVEN IF THEY'VE HURT THEM.

[@goldenmaskedgaming2327]

This was a good movie that got completely fucking ruined by a horrifyingly harmful and toxic message.

[@TrueBlueProd]

I’ve been saying the same thing since March, such a waste

[@ALu-nq8rf]

This

[@saneperson2]

Pixar would’ve probably done it better tbh

[@joshuagraham2843]

raya the most hypocrite movie ever

[@Greggers1516]

Nah it wasn’t good even without that

[@Dragonrose36]

So basically the moral SHOULD have been "trust, but verify." Oh yeah, and Sisu OBVIOUSLY did NOT know what she was doing, FUCK.

[@andrewgreeb916]

There is a pretty good reason Sisu doubted herself, I'm certain Pengudatu her wiser eldest brother had a plan, but it wasn't clear to Sisu, so she was alone lost and thrust with the task of fixing a very broken world.

[@AmatMiguel]

I think the message the movie wanted to tell is "people should learn to trust other people" but by showing Raya being backstabbed by literally everyone except Shifu and the kid with the boat, it kinda ruined the message. Heck the ending wasn't even really earned by trust, doing the right thing with the gem was literally the only option available besides death This movie is just a constant frustration with bad morals

[@AMPMASTER10]

To be fair the big guy didn't betray them. Yes he captured them, but he was defending his home from potential looters. Once that got cleared up he was team Raya. Honestly most underused character.

[@annaleft9726]

who the hell is shifu

[@jigglypuff2cute]

@@annaleft9726 he's Po's master in Kung Fu Panda Lol

[@skips_51]

YOU WILL NEVER BE THE DRAGON WARRIOR!

[@rageofinfinity2032]

Every... and I mean EVERY person who trains someone in ANYTHING with a trigger will tell them "don't put your finger on the trigger unless you want to fire" Even people I don't like. Even people I detest. Even people I would consider to be openly evil. So she wanted to pull the trigger, and Raya was completely right. This isn't about blindly trusting anyone. This is about knowing combat... and to be fair, only the humans in the situation understood combat as humans do. She was going to shoot. No matter what. Raya tried to prevent it. She failed. She wasn't wrong for the action though.

[@manicpixiefangirl4189]

Scar literally pulled this shit on Simba. Wait no, Scar actually had enough brains to know he killed Mufasa and did actually admit it. This character is officially more of a villain than Scar.

[@j.d.t.5761]

Namaari is more evil than Scar because she gets away with everything.

[@Verse_Jumper]

"Your fault because you started it" -flashbacks to every time in school punching the bully got me in detention Yeah chief....I feel that anger

[@PepperMistAnimations]

Tell me about it!

[@brianaguilar8283]

And the stupid teachers always say “i dOnT cArE wHo sTaRtEd iT!”

[@Momoyue]

That was so infuriating! My friend was getting picked on so I stood up for her and the bully starting punching me. So naturally I punched back and sure enough, the teacher only saw me punch him so I was the only one who got in trouble. I still resent that teacher to this day. The good news was, I beat that kid up so good that he was afraid to bully my friends after that. Kids, don't care what the consequences are! You do what is necessary to protect yourself and others.

[@ryuzayuki1997]

I lost contact with an old friend in high school I was close with my freshman or sophomore year because they got jumped and fought back. My HS had a zero tolerance policy in regards to fighting so they had to transfer and I've been trying to reconnect with since. No luck so far and it's still infuriating to this day.

[@kaykutcher2103]

"it's only an issue because she allowed it to bother her in the first place". The principal to my mother in junior high after a group of high schoolers I've never interacted with before pushed me onto incoming traffic as they laughed maniacally infront of dozens of horrified witnesses.

[@DragonGoddess18]

As the saying goes: "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result." And Sisu's behavior is a prime example of that. As much as I love dragons, I don't love Sisu's unhealthy attitude towards trust. Whether she likes it or not, trust is something that you earn and in order to earn it and keep it, you have to act trustworthy. Period.

[@BuizelCream]

Sisu's moral attitude would have been fine if she keeps continuing on giving trust to others that benefits them first, so she can become an example for others to imitate. It doesn't make her look good if she dies because of it.

[@BobtheExile]

I actually have a dragon character I wrote who would fit this a lot better than Sisu. Context needed for parts of this to make sense: In my continuity, dragons can disguise as humans but can't reproduce with them, and in their natural habitat are very judgemental of minor things. My dragon character was born into a large family but was ostracized because she was a Blue Dragon (Ice-Type) in an entire family of Red Dragons (Fire-Type). Beyond simple racism, this means that they do not approve of her existence because Blues are rarer and tend to be motivated to kill for little to no reason, as opposed to hunting for food or fighting for glory or any other cause. Basically they're considered Sociopaths by Reds, or at least that's the stigma applied to them, but the one in question is the kindest person you'd ever meet. One of her siblings is killed by a Blue Dragon and she is chased away, hiding among humans who she barely knows and believes to be violent creatures who will hunt her for sport. In her human form, she is considered very beautiful, and it's not terribly long before she marries a man who, through a freak mutation, was born with dragon eyes, despite being human, and although she trusted him enough to fall in love and marry him, this turned into a "Joker and Harley" situation, ending with her leaving him bleeding out in the Lost City of Atlantis as it sinks back to the bottom of the ocean, and she doesn't want to associate with humans any further. She meets a girl who changes her mind, and this girl and her friends eventually take her in as family, with the dragon woman even adopting a number of the orphans among them (including the girl herself) as her own children, showing that she has found the people she wants to keep as her family. And keep in mind this is the abridged version, the full version is probably 500 pages long and has far more twists and turns than I've revealed, plus that wasn't the end of the story, just her personal character arc.

[@DragonGoddess18]

@@BobtheExile Huh, I like this story Where can I read it?

[@BobtheExile]

@@DragonGoddess18 I haven't actually posted it anywhere yet, I'm still in the process of drawing it out

[@lovelycloudyskies]

What’s infuriates me about her character is that she STILL trusted NAMAARI after experiencing other clans BETRAYING HER and at some point tried to KILL her, but yet Raya’s in the wrong and she should’ve trusted Namaari more?

[@JediDanD]

"Fang didn't mean to end the world." Famous saying true throughout history; The Road to Hell is paved in good intentions . . . Edit: Or as Alan Grant says it; "Some of the worst things imaginable have been done with the best intentions . . ."

[@InfernosReaper]

only in this case there was *nothing* good about their intentions. They just wanted a gem for themselves to have it.

[@yatomcyato6459]

But for their country’s benefit.

[@InfernosReaper]

@@yatomcyato6459 *Somehow* No one's really sure of how in a way that'd actually make sense

[@kinka9883]

@@InfernosReaper Wouldn't it protect their country and make them prosper because they thought that's how Heart did so well. It still doesn't make them any better because they were ok with everyone else falling into ruin as long as they got what they wanted.

[@megteg]

Yes solid. I respect you

[@livvworm]

Namarri: causes the apocalypse Raya: doesn’t trust her Everyone: *surprised Pikachu face*

[@aishi119]

LMAO FR

[@somehelluvafanboy8357]

This is the second funniest comment in this whole section lmfao

[@meixianliswife]

YEAH

[@ptitecame6688]

"The world's broken because people are untrustworthy." THIS. 👏 👏

[@DrZuluGaming]

It's like Disney wanted to make a complex antagonist who realize the error of their ways like Zuko but failed because they are not capable to deal with grey moralities. Hell, the reason Zuko worked is because he has to earn the Gaang's trust after betraying them at the end of Season 2; especially Katara who was the most hurt by Zuko's actions during the finale. They didn't trust him blindly when he tried to join the first time and makes things worse when Zuko mentioned that he was the one who sends Combustion Man to kill them.

[@ethanmcfarland8240]

One does not simply outmatch Avatar”s writing

[@jdwright89]

This whole movie felt like a cheap ripoff of Avatar: The Last Airbender

[@stardogsmasher6217]

Well that's clearly because Disney over looks a key factor to what makes a complex antagonist morally grey. Movies Maleficent and Cruella try to show how they became evil in the movies is in the unbelievable way possible, when they're clearly supposed to be remakes of the originals. That doesn't make them better characters, it makes the older versions look better in comparison. If they want to do a grey area that shows two sides to every story, Avatar is one of those things, but so is Star Wars with tons of media like with the Umbara arc, and the video game franchise Halo. That franchise takes the time to explore the world and ideology of the Covenant to make them look like a relatable but different species fighting for similar reasons. In Halo 2 theres a civil war going on in the Covenant that puts the elite's value in trust to the test by the prophets and brutes. In Halo 2 and 3, humanity and the elites clearly show and acknowledge that they don't trust each other at that point but agree that they have a common enemy to face and need each other's help, but by the end of the game the Swords of Sanghelios and humanity form and alliance to make things better off for the future. I think the extent of the message is, don't blindly trust anyone without fully knowing them first, even if you're associate with someone you don't like you don't have to completely trust them. Lets look at Sonic Adventure 2, when Eggman discovers that his grandfather made the Space Colony Ark a planet size bomb, he agrees to put his differences aside and join forces with Sonic and the gang to stop the threat. By the end, they go their separate ways.

[@turquoiseninju7]

*Sparky Sparky Boom Man

[@aozorahaou2643]

Don't forget he accidentally burned Toph's feet and he immediately after he was kicked out the temple wondered if he should've lied and said Azula did it (granted he didn't know about Toph's abilities) when the Gaang has a literal living blind Lie Detector who would immediately know Zuko shouldn't be trusted if he lied about Azula sending an assassin after them.

[@autisticwriter5763]

I think another aspect that pissed me off about the finale confrontation is that Raya "Had" to trust Namaari due to the end of the world. so Raya was forced to trust Namaari not of her own free will. The final confrontation reminded me a bit of Steven Universe's Sardonyx arc where Garnet and Pearl went through something similar *Trusting each other through deadly circumstances*. I wanted to like this film, but i couldn't forgive the last third of the film.

[@rainyrouge5123]

That's what killed this movie for me too. A good movie will get its theme across by demonstrating why its theme is correct. Let's use another Disney movie, Frozen, as an example. I by no means think Frozen is a perfect movie, but it gets its theme across better than Raya and I think it's a good example. The theme of Frozen is you shouldn't isolate yourself from other people and keep your problems secret. It gets that theme across by showing Elsa isolating herself from others and keeping her potentially dangerous ice powers secret and destroying her mental state, making herself and her sister miserable, and ultimately letting her ice powers become completely uncontrollable. At the very end of the movie, Elsa finds her happy ending by reconnecting with her sister and being open about her powers. The movie doesn't just say shutting yourself off from the rest of the world is bad, it shows why that is bad. I'm using Frozen as an example, but pretty much all of the Disney movies have done this with their themes. Raya kind of does that too by showing how learning to trust the tagalongs helps her, but it never gives Sisu's ideology of trust everyone unconditionally a leg to stand on. Instead, the movie turns trust into the magic that will fix the MacGuffin and save the world. If trust weren't the magic that would fix the MacGuffin, Team Raya would have no reason to trust Namaari. Raya's theme and Raya in general would have been better if instead of lecturing the audience about trust, it made Namaari trustworthy.

[@Kurodo222]

Yeah I thought the same when I watched it. This move pushes unconditional trust but they are forced to trust each other

[@angsty_saint]

Steven universe had some REALLY messed up messages towards the end like letting genocidal tyrants off the hook because they family

[@autisticwriter5763]

@@angsty_saint I completely agree with you on that. I was just using it as an example of where i also found this forced theme of forgiveness.

[@fegreninja7197]

@@angsty_saint I understand that the diamonds committed multiple crimes and didn’t deserve forgiveness. However, there are more reasons as to why they were “let off the hook” other than just being family. One, I’m not sure how they could fight all three and win. As far as we know, the only thing that stood a chance against the diamonds was pink Steven. Two, only the collective power of the diamonds could revive all the shattered gems, so without them there’d just be millions of gems who are just permanently dead. They needed the diamonds to heal the broken gems of the war. I’m not defending the Crystal Gems’ decision, I still feel like the punishment was too light and should’ve been more harsh.

[@matthewmillard2384]

I also thought that in general the world of Kumandra was such wasted potential. We spent 15-20 minutes on backstory that didn’t pay off.

[@VagabondRetro]

That was the atrocious pacing. While I I thought the overall movie was mostly okay and competent (with a few exceptions) the pacing is what bothered me the most. Even my 10 year old brother mentioned how he was confused because it moved so fast with few brief stops. Even the emotional moments were way too quick, and all the landscapes shots that could have shown off the stellar animation only lasted like 3-5 seconds each. To me, this movie was a lesser version of Atlantis with an even worse pacing problem (although to be fair Atlantis was supposed to be a TV show).

[@luthfi7725]

It definitely would have worked better as a TV series. Especially the BG characters. I'm more interested in them than the main antagonist, but too bad they barely got screentime

[@tototats16]

@@luthfi7725 Would love to see a spinoff of Boun. The small screen time showing his personality was the only entertaining aspect of the movie for me.

[@mandykayla4762]

I wish Sisu was designed with scales instead of fur since she’s a water Dragon. I wish we saw more of the other dragons and their abilities and wish there was a epic final battle between the druun and the dragons 🐉 I mean come on the dragons from “How To Train Your Dragon” was more interesting and all were different.🤦🏾‍♀️ I also feel like the movie would’ve end in Raya forgiving and not just trusting. Namari betrayed Raya and was her enemy for years and had to forgive her just like that. It takes time to heal and forgive.

[@dtxspeaks268]

Well she could be a therapsid synapsid dragon, hence the mammalian/reptilian traits

[@anondabomb]

While I do like the design of Sisu, if they were going for it I would have made her either an earth dragon or some sort of nature dragon.

[@elder-woodsilverstein7716]

"You are as much to blame for Sisu's death as I am" That line is literally no different from "Simba...what have to done?"

[@johannanguyen9101]

The movie's morals are so flawed that it should have been called RAYA AND THE GASLIGHTING DRAGON instead.

[@sillau9]

Lol,right

[@ZebraFish629]

That title is so accurate it hurts

[@MollyHJohns]

Someone please make this a dark parody 2d animated version

[@magikforce4069]

I can’t stand watching protagonists getting tortured by every other character and somehow they’re the bad guy in the end

[@alexzhao9868]

that doesn't even look like a dragon, they just slapped elsa's face onto a furry snake and added an icicle to her forehead

[@donnamitsuki281]

Once more I'll say: it. Should. Have. Been. A. Show. Not a movie,a show. Benefits of a show: more time to explore the _characters._ Time to explore our bad guy,time to see her perspective,time to maybe see her mother manipulated her into winning Raya's trust or time to show she maybe regrets what she did and realization of how the state of the world IS Fang's fault. And time to give Raya actual reasons to trust her new companions besides "they're useful to me". And well,yeah,change the theme to the middle ground of trust,trust people who have EARNED your trust and if they betray you they MUST win it back.

[@christmastiger]

I agree, honestly a lot of what Disney has been trying to do with their movies would work better as shows because they're trying to portray these complex nuance topics in 1 1/2-2 hours and it's just not possible.

[@Chud_Bud_Supreme]

It was probably meant to be a serialized show originally, but got made into a sloppily truncated movie

[@Elvusmiw]

It honestly feels like a potential pilot than a show, rough around the edges and the writers get better and better, but since this is a movie... bad exposition, treating the audience like babies holding your hand, stuff that makes you say, wait huh

[@dinosaysrawr]

Raya and the Last Dragon felt like Disney's attempt to emulate Pixar, Avatar, and Steven Universe without understanding what made any of those things work thematically. I think it would've been much better as a miniseries, and they should've seriously rethought and reworked the whole "trust" moral.

[@sakunaruful]

I agree 100%. A mini series or animated series like Disney did with Tangled would've been better.

[@jocelynecupcake]

Steven Universe? LOL why Steven Universe?

[@Kairos_Akuma]

@@jocelynecupcake Because in Steven Universe we have alot of characters that do the "trust but validate " mindset. Lapis for example (even if some of her shit is unforgivable.)

[@emmag6954]

@@Kairos_Akuma And then for some reason Steven is just okay with those giant huge diamonds or whatever they are and just forgives them blindly as if them committing multiple war crimes and genocide never happened. What in the actual fuck. That's a terrible message.

[@benjaminschreibman4745]

I was just saying that!

[@CaulkMongler]

“Yes, I started the fight BUT I didn’t expect them to die” yeah imagine that defense holding up in court

[@valerielinares2068]

I agree a million percent. It was super annoying how the movie was criminalizing Raya who was well within her right to distrust someone who had betrayed her trust!!

[@stephysteph8558]

Ugh I had such a similar reaction to Sisu's flashback. Trusting someone to live up to their potential is NOT the same as trusting someone who probably doesn't have your best interests at heart. facepalm. In a different story, I wouldn't have a problem with Sisu's line about the world being broken because people aren't trusting each other. People will often live up to your expectations of them; sometimes you have to be willing to take the first step to break a cycle of violence, yada yada. But I agree that Sisu and Raya eventually finding a middle ground would have made much for sense with the events we saw in the first half of the movie.

[@ExeErdna]

Yes, like you have to grow. Yet Sisu refused to grow even after mulitple instantance of "trash people being trash". That dragon went crazy a long time ago, stagnated in her idealism and it got her killed.

[@koatam]

I thought it was 12 kinds of stupid. Me and my room mate watched it and kept screaming, "JUST TURN INTO A DRAGON, IT WILL SOLVE LITERALLY ANY PROBLEM YOU HAVE".

[@rainyrouge5123]

Namaari: *shoots Sisu Namaari: Why would Raya do this?

[@smolishaya]

GOD I FUCKING KNOW RIGHT And she had to audacity to tell Raya she's has the same amount to blame for Sisu's death B r o

[@odyseehasdislikesyoutubesu1892]

AMOGUS

[@lupinsredjacket3191]

"Trust everyone no matter what!" Is a *TERRIBLE* message to be telling young, impressionable children. *Especially* in 2020/2021.

[@lucifernazaedi]

“Blindly trust everyone!” said no kid who was kidnapped ever

[@TheAnonyomusGuy]

Namari just seems like another one of those characters that seems to be a trend lately in movies where they want to have a villain and they write them as completely irredeemable but then want you to sympathize and redeem them toward the end of the movie game what have you another great example is Abby from The last of Us part 2 she is entirely hypocritical just like namari and the game goes out of its way to present her as the good guy kind of like they do at the end of this movie with namari

[@osets2117]

And people try to defend that games story.

[@mannyoftheeast3318]

@@osets2117 I don't see any huge problems with the story, that said I think it could've been better. I think people are just upset that the story kills Joel, which I don't believe is valid. Being unpleasant and upsetting doesn't equal poorly written.

[@Slo426]

I don’t think the movie was trying to make namaari seem like the good guy. I think they were trying to paint her as the hero, which she technically was, but didn’t deserve the title of, because of all she’s done.

[@TheAnonyomusGuy]

@@mannyoftheeast3318 no it's not about they're just mad she killed Joe it's about the fact that the game through its story states that Ellie is wrong for taking revenge while simultaneously demonstrating that it was apparently okay for Abby to take revenge it's not about job being killed it's about the hypocrisy of the message

[@kelechiojobor933]

@@mannyoftheeast3318 killing him wasnt the problem, is how he was killed off or worse, disposed off like trash ,like he had no value and wasnt needed anymore to carry the story. then Abby was just forced on the players to accept her through emotional and sympathetic manipulation

[@irkalla100]

"Trust is earned, not given" is a hard lesson I learned young. It is a lesson that kept me from being kidnapped as a kid too.

[@leviacronym6770]

This movie is saying "Hey, you have PTSD, you should just get over it and smile!" My sister is watching this right now and I saw a couple scenes and wasn't interested. It's got the same vibe as every other CGH Disney movie. Same kinda jokes, looks, and nothing that really sets it apart. Sure, I do like Moana and Brave. BUT those two movies were good, different, and relatable. Everything else is just...tired. Watching you video convinced my already skeptical mind that this movie would be boring and predictable.

[@hue_jazz59]

They haven't been good since Wall E

[@alexvaughan1013]

The message reminds me of the scene on South Park when Mr. Hankey sees a homeless man and draws a big smile on him, with poo!

[@InfernosReaper]

@@RV-fo8xj Kinda splitting hairs since Disney owns Pixar

[@realar]

Brave, good? I disagree. It has a SEVERE theme problem. First half, it's about defiance to tradition. Second half, about fixing a relationship. There's no connective tissue. It doesn't work. How does her mother turning into a bear connect to Merida breaking conventions? It doesn't. It's because someone did the BONEHEAD thing of letting go the DIRECTOR OF PRINCE OF EGYPT in the middle of production, because of creative differences. It's totally undeserving of its Oscar. It SHOULD have gone to Wreck-it Ralph but God forbid the people doing the movie-watching for the Academy Award actually give a damn about animation.

[@leviacronym6770]

@@realar Eh, Brave wasn't perfect but it did connect especially for me because my mother and I are just like Merida and her mother. It was about a mother and daughter not communicating/seeing eye to eye on life. They're very different and clash as a result and instead of trying to see each other through a different lens, they stubbornly dig their heels in. Her mother turning into a bear gave her a challenge because her mother couldn't talk so Merida had to learn how to communicate with her on another level. Plus kids love animals so she was turned into an animal rather than an ugly witch. As a result of becoming a bear, Merida learns more about her mother and her mother learns more about her daughter. They both see each other's side and in the end, both of them reach an understanding and compromise with each other. If you couldn't connect all that, then I don't know what to tell you. I liked the movie because it wasn't about finding a boyfriend or ending up with one (like Frozen and every other Disney movie besides Moana and Mulan). It was more about the relationship between a mother and daughter, which most kids, especially little tomboys and hard-headed kids, can relate to. Another film that has similar themes, but different, is Brother Bear and I like that one, too. We all have our preferences obviously and even though I am female, I do not like the romance stories. Give me Mulan, Moana, and Brave any day over Frozen, Cinderella, and etc.

[@nikolutke5111]

Yeah, this movie kind of pissed me off as well. After all the pain and trauma Namaari unapologetically put Raya through, Raya didn't owe her ANYTHING. It bugged me so much how much this movie shamed Raya and sugarcoated Namaari's behaviour. In the real world, people like Namaari don't just flip a switch and become good people after somebody starts believing in them. What a bad message to teach kids, to keep blindly running back to the people who hurt you over and over again because "they deserve another chance".

[@volcanicrose7158]

At the point where Namari claimed that all Raya should have trusted her, I was expecting to hear Raya say, "You never gave me a reason to..." before walking away to help fang get away from the Dunes. That is the only thing that I would have changed in the movie. Other than that, I loved the movie. And I love your views and reasons on this movie. You had made great points on your feelings about it without making me feel bad about having a different idea about this movie. I had only the movie once, but the part that stuck with me the most was of Namari blaming Raya for Sisu's death. I hated it. Namari had stabbed Raya in the back as kids, which started this whole mess, with Raya losing her only family! Why should Raya trust Namari? Namari had never showed Raya that she was sorry for that day happening the way it did. And Raya is the one who needs to trust someone who had already shown her that she couldn't be trusted? I'm sorry, but I have my trust been broken before. There is no way that I would ever trust someone, who had broken it, the same way again. It is the main reason why I don't ship Raya and Namari (as well as Dusty and Ishani from Disney's Planes). Once the trust is gone or broken, there is no going back to the way it was.

[@daniapfel2825]

It’s ironic you love this movie so the writing is crap because of the interpretation of the moral

[@kingagrabowska9366]

Shippers that say that Namaari and Raya have a ''sexual tension'' don't know what it is. Two people are fighting, getting in each other faces, huffing and puffing, and that made them think unholy thoughts.Most people would get over it or read some smut, but for those crazies their feelings are some evidence. The fact that the voice actress is saying that Raya is gay isn't helping. And even if she is gay, Namarri and her have a rocky relationship to say the least. Their relationship without shipper goggles: - Namaari and Raya bound over Sisu and are friendly with each other for about a day. - Betrayal - They form some kind of rivalry, while Namaari is chasing after Raya for 6 years apparently. - They fight, Namaari even said that ''I'm going to enjoy this.'' while she is about to beat up already defeated Raya. - They try to reconcile and it goes horrible, Sisu dies and they blame one another for what happened. - ( Namaari shouldn't have been pointing the crossbow at Sisu and Raya shouldn't have attack Namaari. Not necessarily because she was wrong for not trusting Namaari, but because arrow may hit someone.) - Fight again - Monster shows up and they either trust Namaari or will be turned into a stone forever. (In my opinion Namaari should have been the one to give Raya her piece of the gem.) - They share a fruit in the end credits. At best they went back to what they had at the beginning of the film.

[@cartoonking1789]

Fucking thristy shippers ruin everything.

[@austinreed7343]

This is basically just Saiouma.

[@aetheremployeesabrina]

I think you're forgetting that they call each other "dep la," which is Vietnamese for "strangely beautiful," and is rarely used platonically. Besides, Virana had to know that Namaari was madly in love with Raya, because when her daughter mentioned that she wanted to intercept Raya in Spine, Virana patted her head and told her she was making an emotional decision to do so. So Virana had to know that her daughter was in love. Let's not forget Namaari was raised in Fang, a land inhabited solely by women, with the only man in Fang being Namaari and Noi's punching bag. She can't be anything but a lesbian, same with her mother. I've watched this movie over 100 times and I only see couple material. And if Namaari can't be with Raya, she should end up with General Atitaya

[@Devilsblight86]

That sounds so much like Catradora it's not even funny...

[@krocize]

@@aetheremployeesabrina Wow, the amount of mental gymnastics you had to do to get to this point. As Kinga broke down, their entire "relationship" is a rivalry on both sides. They don't like each other in that way due to the bs each side did to another. Just because two female characters interact with one another does not mean they will frickin get with other

[@sunbeames]

The message: fool me once, shame on you, fool me umpteenth time, I'm sure I won't be taken advantage of next time.

[@guldmattbb473]

I’m kinda tired of how Disney’s been with their movies recently. Like, there’s SO much potential to this world and story. But hardly any of it ends up meaning anything in the end. Raya makes all these friends with different people throughout the lands they journey throughout, proving the fact that trust is helpful and that they are all capable of being a team despite their differences. But they don’t even really do anything. Raya and Namaari are the only characters that actually have any real importance to the plot, and the others end up doing pretty much nothing the entire adventure. There’s that whole thing about how Sisu gets the powers of her siblings after touching every stone piece for some reason, but they don’t really do anything with that story concept, either. Hell, even the lands themselves are hardly anything interesting. They look great visually, but they just don’t spend enough time making them feel like fleshed out areas.

[@FreyaEinde]

I agree it feels like so many of their stories would benefit from a second draft or like…paying attention to actual rules of storytelling instead of trying to deconstruct stuff you’re not really willing to explore.

[@benjaminschreibman4745]

It might work better as a TV series where supporting characters could be fleshed out more, the story could be rewritten, and the message could have been changed and it would be like ATLA. The bones and potential are all there, but they are all wasted.

[@bluubandette8871]

We only have Pixar now

[@tayloradams3993]

It should have been a tv show. More time to focus on things...

[@winifredeghrudje9427]

Encanto was great !! More people are talking about it than Raya lol

[@Lin-ri7qo]

Here's an idea, why not reverse Raya's and Namaari's roles? Make Raya the one who stole the heart from Namaari and caused the fall out of the world. When Raya sees the impact of her actions, she sets out on a journey to find Sisu to help fix things. It would be a Disney movie redemption arc where the main character actively seeks to right their wrongs. Namaari would have a right to be angry and hunting her; the world is understandably resentful of her, and Raya viewing everyone as untrustworthy would make sense because it mirrors the way she sees herself. It would be a good message that trust is something earned and that we always have the choice to become better people.

[@matthewmatthew981]

"Trust everyone, kids! Especially your corporate overlord when they charge premium access for a movie already being released on a subscription service! We only have your best interests at heart! "

[@nadroji6549]

Raya and the Last Dragon; a movie about trusting people, but goes through the entire movie showing as why we shouldn't.

[@jedediahcoulbourne1791]

I didn't mean to kill him the gun just went off when I say robbing them, same damn energy man

[@samaritan_sys]

Joe Chill did nothing wrong, don't know what Batman's issue is.

[@wingedhussar8552]

@@samaritan_sys Joe: You are just as responsible for your parent’s deaths as I am, Bruce.

[@genericname2747]

I just had my finger on the trigger, and started pulling the trigger when they got close to me. Not my fault someone intervened, causing me to finally pull the trigger.

[@redraptorx1066]

just a little example here. Soul Eater's moral from the story: "no matter who you are, no one can tell you what your destiny truly is, you are imperfect and it's ok and everyone can be both crazy and brave." Raya and the Last Dragon's more from the story: "trust EVERYONE no matter what they say or do."

[@EllenMF12]

You forgot the: Principally on the third time trusting that person, third time is the charm ('sarcasm') Really, why someone made such a horrible ending? Namaari should have been the first one to sacrifice herself, to redeem herself because then she could be a better person, but no, she didn't do anything worthy of being worthy of their trust in the whole movie, and in the end? Raya was the one who should be trusted, well, everyone just trusted Namaari, because they trusted Raya... so, Raya saved everyone and Namaari took the credits because she was the last one to turn into stone... The movie characters: Raya, the bad luck child, who ended up causing her clan to disappear by trusting someone and still is forced to trust that person over and over... Sisu, the naive trusting dragon, who almost get killed by being naive over and over, and never learns the lesson, and, well, is a fluffy swimming dragon...that's all... Namaari, the untrustworthy, who by plot point and after all other choices are taken from her, helps save the world(, like thinking of answering the yes or yes question and taking sometime to say yes...)

[@Isokatmydydecsf]

@Angelo Lopez I mean it IS called Soul Eater after all

[@pandabeer8459]

@Angelo Lopez it’s fictional my guy

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

@Angelo Lopez , you can’t eat human souls at all in Soul Eater otherwise you become an insane Keshin, so regardless if you eat 99 Witch Souls and 1 Human Soul, or if you eat 99 Human Souls and 1 Witch Soul you can’t eat human souls at all.

[@lotaz6839]

I love how encanto literally is the compete opposite way on how to do a moral

[@remixchild]

At least encanto had a moral. Idk what they were thinking with this

[@daniapfel2825]

​@@remixchild Yeah

[@Shadow1Yaz]

I also dislike how because of the message "just trust everyone," they kinda lump forgiveness and trust together, they're not the same. You can forgive someone but that doesn't mean you have to trust them. I found out in real life that you can also trust someone with your life while not forgiving them for something they did.

[@lindthechaoticheretic8708]

(Sees character with lopsided hair and/or partially shaven head) Me, "I'm not going to like you am I?"

[@cartoonking1789]

It’s like a poisonous frog warning predators with their colors, just stay FAR away from them.

[@camnunes8847]

So far I've seen one good person with that haircut in media, C.T from RVB. And so far thats it

[@pheunithpsychic-watertype9881]

I call it androgynous kuzco with resting bitch face

[@kazekamiha]

Yup. I see that hairstyle and I wince these days.

[@P-P-Panda]

@@pheunithpsychic-watertype9881 underrated af

[@tffan1029]

I quite enjoyed Raya and the Last Dragon, but I'd be lying if I said that I liked everything about it. In fact, I have the same problem with the movie as you, Shady. Just, with only one thing. The one thing that I didn't like about the movie was Namaari saying that Raya was just as much to blame for Sisu's death as she was. When I heard that line, the first thing to come out of my mouth was "You were about to pull the trigger!" because the movie shows us that she was about to do that. If the movie showed Namaari not pulling the trigger or even thinking of firing the crossbow in the first place anymore, then yes, I will admit that Raya may be just as much to blame. But that's not what happens here. As they say "Show, don't tell". There's a reason that phrase exists for shows and movies, and that scene is one of them. I feel that that scene needed a rewrite or 2, because to me, Namaari will always be the one person at fault during it.

[@ellag3265]

Yeah, if Namaari had been slowly lowering her bow or something and then Raya startled her, then maybe it would have made sense? It still would've been basically Namaari's fault (in my opinion) but Raya would have done something that demonstrably worsened the situation. Would have been easier to see what they were going for.

[@cypressk3838]

Yes this

[@cypressk3838]

If I remember right didn't the movie show her already starting to pull the trigger before she "got startled"? And if crossbow safety is the same as gun safety your only supposed to put your finger on the trigger if you are prepared/going to shoot, so??? I will admit maybe the already pulling the trigger part was just how I interpreted it but I'm pretty sure she still put her finger onto the trigger just before Raya acted

[@amberrost2665]

@@cypressk3838 Oh no she was def pressing on the trigger a bit. Not quite enough to shoot, but so close it would only take a twitch to do it.

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

Trust is a lot like Respect, it's EARNED! Not given.

[@777idkineedausername]

It's always given, quickly able to be lost.

[@turtleduck2085]

"You're as much to blame for Sisu's death as I am." Excuse me? YOU are the one who brought a weapon to a PEACE meeting AGAIN! I was SOOO excited when I first heard about this movie and couldn't wait for it to come out. I was utterly devastated by how bad it was and I do not think I will ever recover from it. I have an idea in my head that, in my opinion, would have made the movie WAY better. Buckle in if you read past this point. XD Instead of Sisu getting the Disney Death, Namari's second betrayal would have resulted in Raya's Disney Death (falls or gets thrown off the cliff into river), Sisu being captured by the people of Fang and Fang getting a hold of all the gem pieces. This would be Sisu's moment of realization that you cannot always blindly trust someone. Sisu, would have a Blue Screen of Death moment and refuse to fix the dragon gem for Fang. Namari would try to talk to Sisu into fixing the gem, but would get chewed out by the dragon for constantly betraying the trust of others, blaming Namari for Raya's 'death' and berating all of Fang for leaving the rest of the world to the Drune, saying that Raya had been right along about them. Sisu's disapproval would hurt Namari, who idolizes dragons, and she'd run out of Fang in despair. Meanwhile, Raya would be found/saved by her new friends solidifying her character growth in learning to trust people again. They would team up to try and rescue Sisu and retrieve the dragon gems. However, they have no-way of getting into Fang to do this. Enter Namari, who is secretly watching them and whose early talk with Sisu has sparked her character growth/Heel Face Turn. Namari, knowing that there is no way they will trust her if she shows herself, returns to Fang to set Sisu free herself and do something good for once. She frees Sisu, gets the dragon gem pieces and leads Sisu to where Raya and the others are only for everyone to be attacked by the Drune and Sisu gets turned to stone. After one last conflict of "can we trust Namari," all five characters take a piece of the gem and work together to fix it. The five kingdoms coming together in trust is what would banish the Drune for good. We then get to the ending where everyone is turned back from being stone and after everyone apologizes to the people of Heart, they all begin to rebuild their world as Raya's father envisioned. Still a few things to tweak here and there but I think this change alone would have made a big difference.

[@carl7489]

Thank you, Disney. You've prooven to me that trust is the single most important thing in life. Now if you'll excuse me, I will be following this strange man who promises me candy in a white van.

[@Tree_e888]

In this movie Disney is teaching a message about always trusting everyone when they've been doing a bunch of twist villains for their past few movies, and I also like how they're trying to make the villains sympathetic: let's make let's make the same woman who has and has intent to kill puppies and use them for coats a sympathetic villain!

[@Haley_Halo]

Idc if this was from 2 years ago. It's fine if it wasn't someone's cup of tea but it doesn't seem like people watched it because that's really Not what they did with Cruella. They made it clear from the beginning of the movie that she Always had a bad/rebellious side trying to come out and only made an effort to play nice/quiet because of her adoptive mother. The loss of that mother didn't make her a bad person either, she found new family who, yes, stole to live but they weren't villians. That bad side came from her real mother's genetics; Cruella feeds into her flamboyant persona in a face-off, becoming psychopathic in the process before losing her friends and nearly her life. Ultimately she uses that aspect in a controlled way to outwit someone truly evil. At no point are we supposed to think she is 'good' though; there are narrations by Cruella making sure we don't feel sympathetic for her as that isn't the point. It keeps the focus on a fun ride watching a chaotic person give evil a taste of its own poison. The puppies into coats thing was an intentional rumor she spread to give herself an infamous reputation. She actually had a dog the entire movie and adopted the antagonist's Dalmatians as her own (knowing her history with them this is significant). This version is not meant to fit in with the original 101 Dalmatians story. If anything it's more like a story based on the person/quote the book was made from, which was a classmate joking about what a fine coat the author's dogs would make. A person could say that as dark humor not meaning it, the author chose to create a monster out of it and this movie did something a little different.

[@calvinboucher5741]

Wish Dragon was a better dragon movie than this. I’m still baffled that that movie has a 68% on Rotten Tomatoes while this movie has a 95%.

[@ShadowWolfRising]

Critic or Audience, cause the former's score is worthless.

[@calvinboucher5741]

@@ShadowWolfRising critic and yeah you’re right

[@TylerMcNamer]

Rotten Tomatoes is owned by Disney.

[@kavo1460]

@@TylerMcNamer No idea how or why, but I just googled it and it says Nestle owns it?

[@thomassommerfeld8494]

wish dragon is good pfff hahahaha. no.

[@reviewer49642]

I watched this movie yesterday, and the movie was good. But the characters had nothing to make them likable

[@itsblitz4437]

Disney's attempt to make a Avatar The Last Airbender, well total fail.

[@ultimatelyawesomeultranigh384]

They were 1 dimensional and had like one character trait

[@joshuagraham2843]

i love sokka toph azula zuko iroh katara abba there all likable but rayas characters are just overused

[@jasminkrieger8464]

@@itsblitz4437 mixed with Last unicorn

[@itsblitz4437]

@@joshuagraham2843 overused how exactly?

[@brenscott5416]

You know the problem of trying to trust intentions of everyone? It's something we all heard in the dark knight, "some men just want to watch the world burn", even ignoring selfish people, evil people exist who just enjoy pure chaos.

[@jacobwhkhu]

"You're as much blame to Sisu's death as I am" Ngl after that line I just straight up paused and yelled WTF over and over again to register the absolute stupidity of that finger-pointing line. Even Forrest Gump can gaslight better than this.

[@ItsDaHoots]

I thought it seemed stupid so I didn't watch it, but I immediately clicked on your video. Unlike that movie, your vids never give suck vibes (cause they're usually quite good)

[@osets2117]

Agreed

[@dynastygirl2912]

Honestly Wish Dragon was a much better “Dragon” movie lol

[@fireblizard8366]

Is it good?

[@dynastygirl2912]

@@fireblizard8366 very

[@jocelynecupcake]

I never watched Wish Dragon but I will. Jane and the dragon was better than all of these combined (if you remember that show, welcome to the pack)

[@donttrustme6262]

@@fireblizard8366 It actually is a overall good movie.

[@mysticxjuice]

The dragon from wish dragon looks like a dragon sisu looks like an Elsa head on a dragon body

[@superwildejellyfish]

This movie’s logic is so blooming backwards that it’s moral downright confused and angered me by the end. I felt that this film had a lot wrong with it’s writing quality and like you said at the start, most times you find you have strong opinions with something, it doesn’t matter if you’re late, you can air them out to an audience. I appreciate you making this video Shady, so much of this bothered me as well and so many reviews I were seeing weren’t pointing out a lot of these objective problems with the film.

[@Knightstruth]

Yeah, Raya annoyed me too. The movie is basically everybody trusting Nemari and her people and getting screwed for it by Nemari and her people again and again until the very end where Nemari, when left literally no other choice, does the right thing. Basically a terrible person gets many chances not to be terrible and stays terrible until the end when she becomes the hero because she had no other option.

[@Caercutta30]

"You're as much to blame for Shisu's death as I am!" The sword goes Chop chop chop

[@InfernosReaper]

It's funny that the character who keeps saying that people need to blindly trust ends up constantly distrusting the judgment of their more worldly traveling companion at every opportunity.

[@Z95HeadHunter]

This is why I'm super iffy when it comes to "Themes" in a story. They don't automatically make a story good, and if they're bad they can turn a could-be-good story into an absolute trainwreck. This was a great breakdown of that happening. Namaari's redemption couldn't be more unearned and now I'm mad at that too lol.

[@alejandrouscanga1004]

Shouldn't the moral of the story be 'be careful of who you trust' or ' trust isn't given it is earned' or something to that effect

[@Dr.Oofers]

I’m pretty sure *that* would be a better message.

[@cbfranco3307]

Disney: Yeah but people are gonna watch our shit anyway 'cause we're so gosh darn big,well known and popular,so why try?? MORE MONEY BABY!!!!

[@guardianofkeeps1949]

The thing that annoyed me the most was that the dragons felt like throwaway glitter. "Look we have dragons that don't feel important that they could be magical cows and there would be no difference." It didn't feel like Sisu and the other dragons mattered that much and the whole trust thing really ruined the magic of the dragons. I hated the scene where all the dragons showed up and I'm a dragon lover. It just felt undeserved and over the top.

[@sylvie_on]

if you like dragons and actually good messages about trust, The Dragon Prince on netflix executed “we may not trust each other but we will work together for a common goal - to - we trust each other because we learned about how to do so responsibly” perfectly. actually, one of the main antagonist’s eventual downfall is that he trusted someone he shouldn’t have for what (thinks) he wants, just as raya did.

[@mysticxjuice]

Namari is just so mean and blinded the whole movie, and then it's expected for raya to trust her and forgive her? I call bs

[@galaxycakee]

This movie is basically saying "since ppl i knew didn't backstab me, ppl you know won't backstab u either" *What-*

[@heihogreenzx4704]

“You’re as much to blame for Cicu’ death as I am.” This is the new “That was his mistake!”, isn’t it?

[@sarahaster2516]

Seasoo(?) is naive, a ‘pure’ creature from a different place in time. Raya is a victim, is just told to get over it. Namari is an Azula Complex, a product of her environment, but it doesn’t excuse her shitty behavior. Namari is entirely responsible for EVERYTHING. She shows no mercy or remorse, except when she’s being confronted with the consequences of her actions. She deserves 0 redemption or forgiveness.

[@kazekamiha]

"I trust SONY to make a better animated movie then Disney these days" **Disney applies cold water to the burned area**

[@jocelynecupcake]

Same ^u^ I trust Sony, DreamWorks, Studio Ghibli, Aardman, Warner Bros, Illumination, even that Russian company that produced Sheep and Wolves gotta be better than Disney right now. The only good recent Disney movie was Luca. Although, I went to see Peter Rabbit 2 in theaters and I enjoyed it more than Luca.

[@PetitTasdeBoue]

Ghibli released Earwig and the witch not long ago though... so disappointing. Also Luca ain't a Disney movie but a Pixar (yeah I know Disney own Pixar, but you can still separate Pixar studio and Walt Disney Animation Studio) Disney : Ralph 2, Frozen 2, Moana, Zootopia, Big Hero 6... Pixar : Luca, Soul, Onward, Toy Story 4, Coco...

[@jocelynecupcake]

@@PetitTasdeBoue All the Disney movies are either Pixar or just CGI. Most of the Disney movies we like nowadays are all Pixar. Hardly anyone watches the cringy classics. I don't seperate Disney from Pixar, because Disney is Disney. They follow the same guide.. As for Ghibli, we got to judge based on story and feel of the movie, not on animation. They just decided to go for a 3D look with Earwig and the witch, maybe next time they'll go with the 2D style because maybe it'll fit better with the next story

[@dtxspeaks268]

@@jocelynecupcake are you serious putting ilumination in there? They make 2015 - present Disney look like 90s/early 2000s Renaissance Disney

[@dtxspeaks268]

@@PetitTasdeBoue pixar has been slacking too tbh

[@toyotaprius79]

What stopped me from loving this impressive movie was the mediocre hopping through the 5 nations. It could've offered so much, but instead i forgotten it and it felt like filler. Sure, maybe they couldn't've stretched another 20 or 45 minutes for the sake of children's attention spans. But still -

[@ultrairrelevantnobody1862]

"maybe they couldn't have stretched another 20 or 45 minutes for the sake of children's attention spans" I doubt that would be the main reason for the film to have such a quick pace to it, but I'll pretend that it is. A mindset you don't want to go into as a writer is thinking children can't handle these kinds of stories. I used to watch the Harry Potter films as a kid religiously, and they were all above two hours with considerably slow pacing. Sure, children aren't as patient as adults, but they're not stupid. They can enjoy a good story with a lot of detail behind it all.

[@littleravendesigns5587]

I am so glad you pointed this out because I felt the same. I hate it when people tell me to trust everyone and all people are good., I feel like these people are naive. No, many people are good and few are bad or at least care for their own self interests! I knew people who would gladly do harm onto someone or try to ruin their lives and would blame the victim! I get what they were going toe but it was poorly executed. Btw, I love your updated design!

[@akikaien6422]

And yet people think that these two are lesbians or something. Oh yes, because all good relationships start with betrayal and abuse. The toxic message of "trust everyone no matter how many times they screw you over" reminds me of how people shame anyone for cutting off abusive relatives from their lives.

[@johnynoway9127]

Honestly i thought she was lesbian cuz of the haircut lol

[@ajaadland7853]

This movie is like saying "just calm down" to a person having a panic attack.

[@undertaker9991]

It should've been grittier in my opinion. Or a series or series of movies. The world building is there but could've been furthered developed. And yes in terms of the moral it lacked consequence making it utterly pointless in the long run.

[@greenghoul157]

I miss the days when Disney could be more adult and didn't talk down to children with such a grossly oversimplified message of forgiveness, it's an important message that a lot of people could learn in these times

[@kendraressler4497]

In a way the moral of of always trust others it is a slap in the face to people who have experienced major trauma in their life. People with those experiences will believe this movie is mocking their pain. Like you said in the video it would have been better if they acknowledge that Sisu's blind trust is just as bad as Raya's distrust. I view it this way, be willing to trust but be aware that not everyone is worthy of your trust. Still treat people with respect and kindness but don't give them "the keys to city" when you don't know their intentions.

[@Joshpower57]

Disney: Trust everyone Also Disney: we will sue anyone who even hints at depicting our characters in a way we don't like.

[@thebananabeast2322]

the "you're as much to blame for sisu's death as I am" is the new "that was his mistake!"