Shimano's Latest Groupset Leaked Online

[@slantedorbit]

The fact that bikes still come out w Tourney and 7sp freewheels is an abomination. CUES for everyone with wide-range 1x is good news indeed. A bonus would be if the left brifter could actuate a dropper.

[@winterwatson6437]

the people buying 7 speed aren’t racing and it gets them around town fine

[@trekkeruss]

Tourney is not going away. CUES is replacing Shimano’s mid range such as Alivio and Sora.

[@yukiko_5051]

Tourney did it's job perfectly as a commuter groupset. There's no point in throwing it away

[@HNedel]

A torney RD is like 5 bucks, must cost them around 1-2 to produce. Cues parts are more expensive than Deore right now.

[@csongorambrus1392]

That's what Shimano had to do, otherwise they cannot compete in the mid range with the Chinese brands, like L-TWOO, and Sensah. BTW, can't wait the price!

[@petersouthernboy6327]

The Chinese can’t compete in the West on groupsets until they get native (local) parts distribution and warranty support.

[@oliverbergmann6117]

@@petersouthernboy6327 Hence why Wheeltop bought the majority in Rotor

[@StayZero556]

TBH unless Cues is priced to actually be competitive with those brands I’m just not interested.

[@gartblaum]

These Chinese brands are patent pirates, zero innovation, 100% copy cat, don't buy them

[@zwicker5585]

Or microshift

[@kellymorris10342]

Finally! Im about due to upgrade my Sora groupset with mechanical discs. Direly wanting this!

[@ysmir6065]

lowest level grx is grx 400 which is equivalent to Tiagra , grx 600 is 105 tier and grx800 is ultegra

[@chrisko6439]

exactly

[@senorspiegel]

Customer - "i need a chain for my 9 speed road bike" mechanic "ok heres an 11 speed mountain chain"

[@renegadeflyer2]

I had the impression this was a plan, that they were working towards for a while. They have been building groupset with cross compatibility for a while.

[@davidh7414]

in the 00's Shimano decided to split road and MTB cable-pull ratios so the groupsets are NOT cross compatible after 9 speed. Then , along comes gravel. Suddenly drop bar GRX works with MTB cassettes. Funny that... The biggest own-goal in the drivetrain history. Now along comes CUES but YET AGAIN, it has a different cable pull ratio to Road OR MTB. What a complete mess.

[@jfkusa123]

I think it is dyna-sys compatible

[@davidantweiler4729]

Cues seems to compatible with 11-12spd mtb derailers in practice. Only tried it in the stand myself, but it seemed perfectly fine. The incompatability is the different cassette spacing. You will have to use a linkglide cassette with cues shifters.

[@ShaggyWill]

I've done lots of flat bar cues conversions for customers and lots of positive feedback. I've converted my gravel bike to flat-bar XT link glide with GRX cranks and brake calipers mated to XT touring levers as an experiment and it's incredible. The shifting is arguably better than di2, especially under load. The bike's even more fun to ride with flat bars than it was with gravel drops too so I'm dead chuffed

[@Leo-gt1bx]

I'm pissed of. My new ques hub failed within a month and shimano has been a nightmare. I will try sram next.

[@zetdech]

Mechanical mullets officially supported

[@itstheterranaut]

As long as it *feels* as good to shift as Tiagra, I'm a believer.

[@nikitochka09]

So the thing with cues is, that its the perfect groupset for people, who are either new to bikes, or just lack the proper shift technique skill. Its cheap, reliable and basic, while still pretty nice. I am quite happy, that they are adding a dropbar shifter to the lineup, cause it would allow lots and lots new entry gravel bikes on the market, as well as being a really cheap way to build a gravel bike. The cassete itself has a 414% range, and if coupled with a 2x in the front, it would be an ultimate indestructible touring groupset. overall, i just love it!

[@jake-oo8sv]

I truuuly hope, that there will be 2x10 and 2x11 setups for drop bar, bc if all of em are to be 1x , then it wont work much for road bikes

[@brulsmurf]

With a cassette with that much range (11~50) it's fine for recreational riders/beginners/youth/ winter bike.

[@arejee3380]

If it's the lowest GRX on the Scott it's GRX400 and that's Tiagra level not 105. GRX600 is 105 and GRX800 is Ultegra.

[@lazysunbather]

After looking for a pair of SRAM 11x1 shifters to replace a set of broken ones. Nobody stocks them, and only option is to rely on used market. Or replace the entire groupset. If there’s stock and options this is a great thing.

[@MuffinMario-nv8rq]

Cube is a very very cool Brand that offers great value - Hope it will find its way to the US or UK..

[@Roger101Watson]

This is a move to streamline the range and make it easier to supply OEM having only to deal with CUES in the low to mid range....makes a lot of sense for the consumer too because the average person on the street doesn't know what Tiagra, Sora or Claris is but they will know CUES in terms of 9, 10 or 11 speed. Hopefully it will make their choice easier.

[@NicholasMerriman]

Great, now I’m craving a cubano sandwich

[@RenAigu]

Cross compatibility is good, but the at least marketed focus on durability with linkglide vs. hyperglide (now getting substantiated by about a year of use, and my experience on it is good so far) is potentially way better news for non-competitive cyclists that are consumers in the lower midrange.

[@fernandod2865]

It's not really a secret since they're discontining Claris, Sora, and Tiagra that also had road style shifters

[@drill_fiend1097]

The big news here is that CUES dropbar shifters come with fully hydraulic brakes. Otherwise, Microshift Sword and Advent X already held the place with mechanical brakes.

[@fernandod2865]

@@drill_fiend1097 Of course it will have hydraulic brakes because of Tiagra. I also believe in a Di2 version of CUES will also happen

[@chrisko6439]

So we gotta hoard some of these. Claris is the bomb, very cheap and great funtionality. I paid 90 € for a PAIR of STIs :)

[@danmc7815]

I would like to see entry-level bikes that were basically steel-framed gravel bikes that could serve as touring bikes, on which someone could run either a 3x, 2x, or 1x groupset, and either flat or drops. That final part makes geometry more complicated, but lose it if needed. That bike could be used by anyone, and they would never need another bike, until they started to become a cyclist. Once they became cyclists, such a bike would still be useful, even if only a backup or for bad weather training miles. It would be heavy, but useful.

[@Khalidazizphoto]

Shimano also has redone its webiste and removed Sora and claris from their road group sets

[@SandSanta]

Ozark Trail - fairly good $250 gravel bike from walmart. Quite capable if you go back and re-torque everything when you take it home.

[@deabreu.tattoo]

I just wish manufacturers would start using sensah and ltwoo so we could have REALLY good value bikes, have the Chinese do now what the Japanese did in 80s/90. The quality is already there.

[@Khalidazizphoto]

The only reason i dislike Gropsets below 105 is becuase everything below has no crank arm length options, everything is 175mm

[@Boss-dr2zk]

Take a look at Microshift then

[@Khalidazizphoto]

@@Boss-dr2zk No Hydraulic brake option

[@sbccbc7471]

I'm on Tiagra 4700 and I'm on 165 mm crankarms on my Tiagra FC-4700.

[@Khalidazizphoto]

@@sbccbc7471 tiagra doesn't support hydraulic disc brakes

[@Elinzar]

Get some hybryd calipers, those are very nice

[@ixb1]

CUES have same pricing like Deore which is not cheap.

[@ThePeter123a]

With CUES you can equip the bikes with simpler parts without the uninitiated customer seeing it. Because parts with significantly different prices always have CUES written on them.

[@richiejames928]

Yep, customers will be getting ripped off left right and centre.

[@brothatwasepic]

Hi all. What year old dura ace or ultegra groupset would you consider the new 2025 cues groupset to be equivalent to. I know that new lower tier is usually equivalent to high tier from many years ago? Trickle down tech-wise

[@vaska00762]

Linkglide technology was first introduced in 2021 as part of Shimano Deore XT, which is the second highest MTB groupset, just behind XTR. The thing is that Cues is actually heavier due to the Linkglide tech, and choice to use steel casettes with thicker teeth, incomparable to old Hyperglide, and this is due to the re-engineering Shimano has decided is needed because of the severe wear caused by e-bike motors these days.

[@Rose.Of.Hizaki]

Fingers crossed Tiagra 4700 gets an update soon.

[@peterbaskind9872]

It does not look as if that will happen. Cues should replace everything below 105. 4700 is a nice group. It is quite old, however, although one could argue that 10-speed GRX really is an update of 4700.

[@VirgilOvid]

Tiagra is dead. It's all part of Cues now.

[@Rose.Of.Hizaki]

@@VirgilOvid long live the king 👑 🤔

[@madyogi6164]

I have bit older 4500 in one of my bikes (9s). I managed to marry it with 6500/6700 components (Ultegra - chain, cassette, wheels, brakes, bottom bracket) What's left were ST-s and rear derailleur. And this still works perfect! When I noticed what they did around 2014, I was (shall say) "in rage"(?). Why should I even bother myself with upgrading Tiagra, if it requires me to completely throw away everything and buy a 10s 4700 series equivalent, that literally can't be paired with anything else, later on? Everything back then >=105 went for 11 gears. Having that said - refreshed Tiagra 4700 (lets name it 11s 4800) is completely pointless, if there are already three 11s groups. Not to mention 12 s ones. Or do you want it still to stay 10s? One still has to throw away everything to move into it. Keep in mind plumber works and some wheels carpentry!

[@steveduran1664]

So had anyone noticed that cues is technically shimanos copy of Box's prime 9 system that came out like 6 years ago, a 9, 10, and 11 speed system that all runs on its own pull ratios and all use a 11 speed chain, they pretty much knocked off Toby Henderson. Though I did tell my boss shimano should do this when Box released their stuff, I was told I was crazy and shimano would loose money killing off the older sku's, he ate his words when I showed him the press releases of how much shimano was killing off in favor of cues. For those who don't know Toby Henderson is a race BMX legend who owns Box the produces BMX race components and MTB components.

[@davidthornley4375]

Rim brake?

[@Leo-gt1bx]

Shimano has lost me. I bought a Cues hub which failed within a month and it has been a nightmare. Never again.

[@claudiovecchiatto3260]

Low end grx is 10 speed which is tiagra comparable, not 105

[@oplkfdhgk]

could be nice but i will likely go with sensah instead. i just hate shimano's patents with a passion

[@owensnicholas]

I have owned bikes with both SRAM and Shimano. I am not loyal to either one. But, does SRAM risk becoming the new Campagnolo? They have great innovation, and they’ve targeted the higher end of the market. But at a time when bikes aren’t selling that well, is Shimano smart to simplify their range and go after the lower price points?

[@danielbum912]

Are bikes actually not selling that well? Or are vendors and manufacturers just cross the covid bike boom isn't continuing? In all statistics I can find (short research, not comprehensive) bikes were selling better in 2023 globally than any year before 2020.

[@tinatpasselepoivre]

the entry level bike thing will stay niche unfortunatly. Why? they have less "margin per unit" than the more prenium model. So for exemple they'd need to sell 1000 unit to gain the same value than selling 10 top of the range models... Same thing that in the automotive world... Even the entry level Dacia (the only one doing that btw) is stepping away from that towards higher value, pricier model

[@richiejames928]

It’s getting abit messy with shimano. In trying to clean up the low end and umbrella everything under this new Cues naming scheme. one name should mean one price point… but it won’t work like this anymore. Pricing will be all over the place and people will get ripped off.

[@generalruler]

Chimano shues for me

[@Zalán-x6t]

what I'm annoyed by, is that we have the final nail in the cofffin for people who want to ride entry level with rim brakes. If you brake the numbers down, disc brakes don't really offer much other than less actuated braking, and I have always been glad that I can at least get a tiagra or ultegra that has proper rim brakes. And still, they had to discontinue all the rim brake groupset families, so they can push for complete adaptation of a braking technology that is heavier, harder to service, harder to transport, more expensive, and less safe. Congrats to Shimano, time to buy up all their old models before they are gone I guess.

[@seraph4581]

How the hell are disc brakes "less safe"? Is it because the stronger braking force may send you flying or something? On being heavier, shimano 105 r7000 disc was 20g heavier than the rim break version, if that matters to you. "Harder to service" is only true if you never serviced them which you can always learn.

[@Zalán-x6t]

@@seraph4581 no its because it slices athletes legs open when there is a crash. I've never heard of a caliper brake causing blood loss.. The braking force issue, actually only causes lower actuation in the braking force, and I think disc rotors are absolutely justified for mountain bikes, but on non-MTB bikes the outer tyre slips way sooner than you could use out the power of a hydraulic disc.

[@Zalán-x6t]

@@seraph4581 Also, disc brake pads are expensive, a hassle to keep clean, and once you dirty them you have to get them filed or use strong corrosives to get the oil/dirt off them if you dont want to buy a new 20 dollar set. U-brakes can be simply...wiped. I don't want to get more into it, there are dozens of videos here on youtube braking down the numbers, if yall don't want to believe something you don't need to.

[@fuzzi1002]

Why 9, 10 and 11 speed, when all is running with a 11 speed chain? For me the only reason to run 9 speed, would be a wider chain which would be more durable... My favorite for bike touring the 2x11 with the greatest range on the market😊

[@peglor]

The wider 9 speed chain isn't more durable. In independent tests SRAM 12 speed chains are the most durable (Unless you go to singlespeed or belt drive anyway). I'm not sure Linkglide was included in that test though. From what I can gather 9 speed chains didn't get the upgrades in metallurgy and manufacturing tech that 11 and 12 speed have, so even though all things being equal 9 speed chains should last longer purely through the bigger roller contact area reducing wear, in reality they're not running materials that are as hard and durable as 11 and 12 speed.

[@fuzzi1002]

​​@@peglor That make sense, but 9speed with actual technology (same as the 11speed)would last longer ..... I use 8speed HG91 (NOS) on my touring bike ( traveling with heavy load) 6000km, no problem......😊

[@peglor]

@@fuzzi1002 I've heard there are people getting 10 000 km+ from 12 speed drivetrains. If I get 2 000 km from mine I'm already happy as I ride a mountaibike and it's always muddy here.

[@pieterbauwens5607]

Does that seem like good value ?… ofcourse not!

[@danarwijaya2222]

Cues wohoo 🎉

[@clarencehowell1986]

I bought the ugliest color bike to get the 105, because the other bikes at that price point had Claris

[@yukiko_5051]

I also bought the cheapest bike with 105. It's 2 size too small 😂

[@ShadowzKiller]

The 2009 Trek 1.2 is significantly better value compared to its equivalent of today, even if the shifting isn't ideal.

[@josephlatona4495]

Where’s the rest of the episode????

[@petersouthernboy6327]

The Chinese can’t compete in the West on groupsets until they get native (local) parts distribution and warranty support.

[@Elinzar]

*USA Here in latin america, they more than have a chance, im not even looking at shimano and sram super inflated prices here (900 usd for 11spd 105 in uruguay....)

[@Elinzar]

And i mean groupset only

[@petersouthernboy6327]

@@Elinzar that’s crazy.

[@growingup4487]

lol

[@silverburn55]

Wake me up when GRX 12spd di2 gets released as 1x12.

[@davidh7414]

You will be waiting a while... Shimano won't release GRX 1x Di2 until the next generation XT 8200 di2 is released. Reason: the GRX derailleur will just be XT with a different sticker on it. There will be NO XT8100 Di2. It's too late in the current product cycle for that to happen.

[@queridiculo171]

Been riding Shimano forever but they've managed to made the least visually appealing hydro brifters out there. Just awful, would never consider any of their groupsets.

[@Paulklampeeps]

Looks like an old clarice

[@paulgrimshaw8334]

@@PaulklampeepsClarice, as in Silence of the Lambs… or Claris?

[@chrisko6439]

And I would never touch a SRAM groupset, they are beyond ugly. And the flat top chains.... *vomit* Also, SRAM is American and obviously, for moral reasons, you gotta avoid American products whenever there are easily available alternatives.

[@savagepro9060]

Rehash. Slow Day!